I bought a yard of cotton duck canvas thinking it was waxed but it turns out it's not. My plan is to make some tool rolls with it. Will this treatment work for that fabric also?
MUCH easier and faster and more efficient to simply mix in a 5 gallon bucket.... get the sheets down in there, use rubber gloves to squeeze sheets and pillow cases or clothes or whatever down in the bucket for good saturation.... take items out.... hang on clothes lines to dry and you're done... I use a gallon of naptha or mineral spirits to one tube of gunned caulk. Works very well....
Yea, I figured that a vat process would be a lot faster, as long as you can get it mixed well and saturate the material well enough. Thanks for watching.
You are right about amounts to use and coverage. I don't see much of that in other videos - thanks for including that, and for the review and feedback at the end.
Note that there is absolutely no way to save this stuff for future projects. The Silicone caulk begins to react with the mineral oil, and depending on the ratio of silicone to mineral spirits, will congeal within one to three days.
@@thecryptobullshark8477 no. The concoction is as liquid as you make it. It will cure no matter what. Any of it that impregnates the tarp will bind to the threads of the tarp and make it waterproof. It works really well, works best if it's a very thin coat. It will eventually peel, but thinner applications seem to last a lot longer before they peel, and will peel much slower. I simply commented that any of the mixture will cure, no matter if it's absorbed into the fibers of the tarp, left in an open or a sealed container. Once the silicone has cured, no regular solvent will make it workable again since silicone polymerizes via vulcanization. Silicone cures - it doesn't "dry." The two processes are profoundly different.
Poly cotton blend will be a strong textile. Pour the mix in a PVC contractor bag and just squish the sheet in there for about 10 minutes. Then hang dry.
Just want to let you know that painting canvas with "Spar Urethane" will seal & waterproof it. Spar Urethane is clear, UV resistant, oil based and finished result if similar to old fashion waterproofing using linseed oil. After sealing I painted cloth with latex paint.
Thanks for sharing i have an old camel canvas tent its in really good condition but I'm looking to do somthing like this I'm glad I watch this its not cheep and it will ad weight the tent is 7by7 on the floor and 5.5 tall so maybe I'll just cover it with a light weight tarp
I left mine out for 2 years straight, and had the tarp fail because of friction rubbing on the frame it was attached to before the waterproofing failed.
@@BushcraftSavage You should add these "durability updates" in your video description, because knowing how long it'll last and how it fails is really good to know, thank you for coming back to us!
Thank you much for the info . Been wanting to start using canvas tarps when I go camping . Great video !!!! Merry Christmas to you & your family & a Very Happy New Year !!!!!
Good question, honestly I have no clue. I'm not sure how companies color their caulk, but if they use a similar process to paint they would use dry pigments and mix them into the base. You can get a black silicone caulk so maybe that is a better choice for what you are doing.
I have been trying to find a method to waterproof my awning over a window that sets right under a gutter with a V channel that makes it hard to control the rain from coming right down on that 16” width of the awning/ 45” down. This sounds like it may work. Tk U.
woooa super Bro ! i love your choice of music and your poetic words in the midle of the process is so funy and very nice ! clever and smart good guy ! thank you very much !
Is this the same as either silicon oil machine lubricant or silicon oil car shine? The only silicon caulk available online and in shops in the place where I live is the one mixed with acrylic.
New comment old thread. Enjoyed your content. Great DIY solution. This would also make the canvas fire retardant. Thinking a canvas wall or Baker hot tent build would be a great video. Not much on the Tube. God’s blessings
Thank you Bubagrunts Amazing Outdoors. I will look into those tents and see what is involved in making them. Depending on the cost and availability of 100% cotton canvas. It normally doesn't get cold enough here to have much use for a hot tent. However, that being said I have wanted to have one nonetheless. God's blessings to you also.
I think I will try this but use a paint mixing paddle on my drill to speed up the mixing process. Think you for the video. I was not keen on camping with a fire hazard. The Hartford circus fire of 1944 killed 167 people and injured over 700 all in a matter of minutes because the canvas tent caught on fire that had been treated with wax and gasoline for water proofing.
Thank you for watching Justin. I'm not keen on it either, nor am I enthusiastic about packing up a tarp treated with oxidizers that can spontaneous burst into flames or start generating heat in a pack for hours or days at a time. Be safe, and enjoy your time outdoors.
Yes you must use a drill and paint paddle mixer to get the mix right. Hand mixing takes forever and is not as effective. It should also be remixed every so often as it seperates/settles if sitting for long.
For a nylon tent I would just use a couple of cans of the water proofing spray. You really wouldn't want any additives damaging an expensive tent. Thank you for watching.
Hi Todd B, it will leave a Mineral Spirit smell that dissipates as the silicone solution cures, but goes away. As for discoloration goes, the silicon does cause it to change color slightly.
Sorry, Fiancee answered you incorrectly, no it cannot be saved for later use after mixed up. As the mineral spirits evaporate off the solution will get thicker and the silicone will cure in one big hunk.
Other recipes call for a ratio of 1 part silicone to 5 parts mineral spirits. I would start there and adjust based off the consistency. It should flow like milk. Be careful using turpentine, it can oxidize and spontaneously combust.
For a hot tent you will need fire retardant materials on the wall with the heat flashing for the chimney, there will just be too much heat to ensure it is 100% fire proof. Once the silicone cures and the mineral spirits evaporate off it is restant to embers though. I say if you are going to undertake a hot tent project, the time and money you are going to invest to make one, I would subscribe to the "buy once, cry once" mentality and just buy the fire retardant canvas you will need for your hot wall. Yes, it will cost you more but it could save your life in the end. I have seen kits for current commercial canvas tents to convert them into hot tents, and debated purchasing one for my kodiak canvas tent. The main drawback is there isn't an included fire retardant peice of canvas, the kits just include the metal for the heat flashing for the chimney. Whichever route you decide, do so with your safety in mind. Heatsources inside tents can be dangerous but those dangers can be mitigated largely as long as you follow some safety precautions.
Brill vid, got ya self a new sub! Just got a few questions if you don't mind answering. What kind of curing time before it's usable? Does it dry darker than the fabric was before application? How long will it last with constant use? (I'm in the UK so imagine rain about 30% of the days)
Thanks man. The conditions we have here which is high humidity it took about 24 hours to cure. It was usable the next day. It does dry a little darker depending on what your canvas is made out of. The silicone is relatively clear so it shouldn’t change much. It depends on how much abuse the canvas goes through. If you use it just as a tarp it will last a long while (working on a year) and if you use it for dragging gear or animals out on it, it won’t last as long. Thanks for the subscribe!
@@BushcraftSavage Thanks! Much quicker than the linseed oil method for curing then, with that and its better fire resistance properties its exactly what I'm looking for. Going to be using it on the back of my Land Rover as a bit of multipurpose canvas, mostly for covering stuff and a quick "hay it wasn't meant to rain today" work tent. Thanks again 👍
Tip: don't pour the way shown, unless you want o put a 'vent hole' in your can. Better to pur with the spout on top, smoother pour with little 'glugging'.
Stephen, I'm not going to say fireproof, it is fire resistant. It won't burst into flames like a oil-skin tarp if an ember lands on it, or melt like a sil-nylon tarp would. It would depend mainly on the fabric blend you are applying the silicone solution to once it cures. If the fabric has any nylon or plastics mixed in it will melt or shrink when exposed to heat sources. If your hot tent is 100% cotton canvas, and you have the plate for your vent pipes and a spark arrestor on your stove. Once the solution cures your tent will be highly resistant to burning. On the flipside, most commercial hot tents are made with flame retardant fabrics in the firstplace so they are already HIGHLY resistant to flames. Thanks for watching, I hope that helps. Stay safe on your travels.
Hi. I’m new to doing DIY for my newly discovered outdoor activities. Thank you so much! In you opinion, is this more suited to large items like tarps tent bc for my canvas backpack and hat, everyone seems to use the wax method. Appreciate your or anyone else’s advise. - Kathleen
Hi Kathleen, It could work for something small or large. You would just scale down the recipe to fit your needs. If you have any other questions please feel free to ask!!
Great video! After it dried how waxy would you say it seemed, looking at making a canvas tent for winter camping and up here in Canada that means a lot of snow, hoping to do mainly the bottom 2 feet to keep the snow from freezing to it, think it may work? thanks in advance
Thank you, it feels like rubber. As far as using this method for your tent to keep the snow from freezing to it, I really can’t say on that, it will keep the water from snow that melts from seeping into the fibers. It rarely snows here and sticks.
No, it doesn’t get sticky in hot weather. I used 100% silicone caulk, but my experience with latex paints or latex Halloween make-up it wont be as durable. But you can try a small batch and see.
We’d get reprimanded in the restaurant if we poured vegetable oil out of those 20 gal. plastic pails like that. Spigot is always at the top, not the bottom. The pail is able to breathe in, as the oil pours out. Otherwise, great instructions. I was really thinking of going with the mineral spirits and tar method, but I think your method is better. Don’t want my shelter to go up in flames in the middle of a freezing snowstorm.
Hi majestic unicorn in a field of purple poppies and dasies, I appreciated your informative video and will apply this to my oikskin jacket which failed last week in helping clean up after cyclone Gabrielle in hawkes bay nz. Not only covered in mud but cold and wet as well.
ROGER GODIN just one side, it will soak through. You can put it on concrete and then treat it, it will pick up any dirt that is on the concrete though.
I'm not sure, you could mix a small batch and try it out. Silicone is already heat and fire resistant anyways. Just be sure to let the mineral spirits evaporate off fully before testing it out.
Mixing it up in a big plastic bucket and lid using a paint stirer attatched to an electric drill might save some time and to prevent splashing drill a small hole in the lid, thread the stirer through the hole then into the drill (lid shouldnt be able to cone off the end of the paint stirer) add ingredients, close lid then mix it all up. If you use a big enough bucket and you mixes enough spirits and silicone you cluld potentially put the entire sheet into the mixture using the stirer to move it around making sure its all covered/wearing protective gloves to make sure the sheet is fully saturated
Im thinking the cost and time to do this may outweigh the benefit … my cost per tube of silicone is $10 + a gallon of mineral spirits is close to $20a canvas can be about $20. For a 9x12. How much time did it take??
Elvis Dioso, I wouldn't spray it, it would likely clog up any sprayers except an Industrial body shop sprayer. No, you don't have to apply it to both sides. The mineral spirits thins the silicone enough to allow it to be fluid enough to pass through the fabric. Yes, Mineral spirits are flammable. so don't have any open flames near by as you mix or apply the solution. However, after 24 to 48 hours the mineral spirits will evaporate off and leave the silicone behind, and Your material is waterproofed. Thank you for watching. Have a blessed day.
Trevor, I have never heard of them being referred to as White Spirits, but after a quick search mineral spirits and white spirits appears to be the same product or at least similar in nature. If all you have available are white spirits then I personally would do a smaller test to ensure it works before committing funds to a larger project. Taken from Wikipedia. White spirit (UK & Ireland)[note 1] or mineral spirits (US, Canada), also known as mineral turpentine (AU/NZ), turpentine substitute, and petroleum spirits, is a petroleum-derived clear liquid used as a common organic solvent in painting.[1] There are also terms for specific kinds of mineral spirits, including Stoddard solvent and solvent naphtha (petroleum). Mineral spirits are often used as a paint thinner, or as a component thereof, though paint thinner is a broader category of solvent. Odorless mineral spirits (OMS) have been refined to remove the more toxic aromatic compounds, and are recommended for applications such as oil painting.
Yes Robert, 100% silicone will dry and have a rubber like feel. Depending on the type of silicone you got on you some kinds can feel slick and almost oily. Very common in silicone based grease and lubricants.
Hey man I'm glad I came across this video & thanks for the info. I've been doing my research & am looking to do my own canvas tarp for camping & hunting. I want to try & do some kind of camo pattern before treating it. Have any recommendations? Also what kind of canvas? 10 oz? Numbered? & whats the size? If you could maybe help me out I'd really appreciate it. I've been trying to figure out which way to go. I also wanted to make it somewhat fire resistant. Thanks man. Keep it up.🤙
Thank you for watching CTRIP. That one was 10’ x 8’. I think, maybe 12’, it is 10 oz canvas though. I tried doing a woodland pattern on mine, it did not turn out as expected, the canvas I have access to locally is all poly cotton blend and if you want to dye polyester you have a dye just for synthetics and it requires you to boil the dye maintain an almost boiling temp for a certain amount of time. Doing any kind of pattern with synthetic dyes will be almost impossible for a diy project unless you can find a product that will work without a heat source. I tried using just regular Rit dye in dark greens and browns and wound up with that weird green color on mine. I would suggest you get a 100% cotton canvas and use Rit dye and a garden sprayer and just spray the pattern you would like. Then follow the directions for the setting the dye. I hope that helps some.
@@BushcraftSavage hey thanks for responding & yeah most definitely helps. Gives me some different ideas. & the one I'm looking at is 100% cotton. I heard of some ppl using spray paint but they didnt really specify what there tarp was made of. & then I also found someone talk about fabric spray paint (whatever that is). I dont kno much when it comes to this stuff. But anywho would you recommend doing it this way or would you try wax or something if you were to do it again? Thanks man.
@@ctrip34 if I was gonna make another I would use 100% cotton, mix up the silicone and mineral spirits in a thrift store blender(outside for the possible ignition of the mineral spirits.) I’m not sure if I would dunk it in a vat and hang it up to dry or use a paint roller again though, the vat route would be really wasteful, and messy but way quicker. You could use spray paint but it would wear and could cause the silicone to peel off, if I were to use spray paint I would let the silicone cure first then paint it, and just reapply when it wears off.
@@ctrip34 using wax will water proof the canvas if you use a product like fixing wax, but it would take a fair amount of it to cover a canvas that is large enough to be used as a shelter. It will require a warm space to let the wax melt into the fibers also.
So it doesn’t get dirt on it. You don’t have to hang it to apply the solution if you have a suitable place. It will stick to it while it dries though. So I would still suggest hanging it up for it to dry.
OH Einstein, gasoline is flammable and will surely mess up your chosen fabric no matter what it is and lacquer thinner will also.try a better quality mineral spirit.
Congrats on the ute. We can't get them here, unfortunately. As for your question. I have no idea if it will or not, but after a quick search, there are some concerns I would have if it was my vehicle. Ie, possible damage to paint, plastics, and some rubbers. In short I would just replace my cover to avoid doing any damage to my vehicle. You can't really be certain that any tar or pine sap residue has gotten on your ute that would damage the paint. Or 100% that any of the plastics or rubber has compounds that would react. Just play it safe, and have the cover replaced.
I left this one outside for a year attached to a frame and didn't see any mold, mildew, or algae grow on it during that time. It was at a fairly steep angle, so water drops would run off of it.
Essentially, you are putting a thin coat of plastic on the tarp. The same thing Rust Oleum does with their sprays. I think the mineral spirits and silicone is cheaper to do it, though.
would it be easier and quicker to lay plastic on a garage floor and put the tarp on that to roll or just soak it and spread it on the floor? never done it and thanks for an honest review. good video.
Yes and no. Yes, it would be easier, however the waterproofing mixture is tacky, so the plastic would want to stick to the canvas while it dries. And you will still have to hang it up and open it up so the mineral spirits can evaporate off. The reason I hung it up was so dirt didn't get on it while the solution was being applied to the canvas.
Quality untreated cotton canvas has been used for over 150 years without any waterproofing because the fibers swell when damp...thereby sealing out the rain. The military treated cotton canvas items only because they are rarely cleaned and often put away wet. If you are dealing with a quality actual cotton canvas, clean it periodically yet...do not treat it. If you decide to treat it anyway...never use the wax and kerosene formula often touted on TH-cam. This is so flammable that it will turn your tent into a huge fire-starter just waiting to be lit. See you in the great outdoors!
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I was going to do the exterior of my canvas tent like this is it going to make it smell forever or does the smell go away
Michael Annen the smell of mineral spirits will be gone in a day or two.
I bought a yard of cotton duck canvas thinking it was waxed but it turns out it's not. My plan is to make some tool rolls with it. Will this treatment work for that fabric also?
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 yes it will work on any fabric.
what about shade sail material which is more open weaved..??@@BushcraftSavage
MUCH easier and faster and more efficient to simply mix in a 5 gallon bucket.... get the sheets down in there, use rubber gloves to squeeze sheets and pillow cases or clothes or whatever down in the bucket for good saturation.... take items out.... hang on clothes lines to dry and you're done... I use a gallon of naptha or mineral spirits to one tube of gunned caulk. Works very well....
Yea, I figured that a vat process would be a lot faster, as long as you can get it mixed well and saturate the material well enough. Thanks for watching.
Does Naptha work better than mineral spirits?
Love your humor!!!
Your waterproofing technique makes pure sense.
Great video!!!
Thanks Greg.
You are right about amounts to use and coverage. I don't see much of that in other videos - thanks for including that, and for the review and feedback at the end.
Liked for the post-project review of the technique, it was honest and helpful
buteo buteo, thank you!
Note that there is absolutely no way to save this stuff for future projects. The Silicone caulk begins to react with the mineral oil, and depending on the ratio of silicone to mineral spirits, will congeal within one to three days.
Yes, that is very correct.
Can I use dried up silicone caulk to recycle it for waterproofer ?
@@zeez3139 not really. Not sure what you have in mind, but no normal solvent will return silicone to a liquefied state.
So basically waterproofing it will be pointless in a couple days after??
@@thecryptobullshark8477 no. The concoction is as liquid as you make it. It will cure no matter what. Any of it that impregnates the tarp will bind to the threads of the tarp and make it waterproof. It works really well, works best if it's a very thin coat. It will eventually peel, but thinner applications seem to last a lot longer before they peel, and will peel much slower.
I simply commented that any of the mixture will cure, no matter if it's absorbed into the fibers of the tarp, left in an open or a sealed container. Once the silicone has cured, no regular solvent will make it workable again since silicone polymerizes via vulcanization. Silicone cures - it doesn't "dry." The two processes are profoundly different.
Poly cotton blend will be a strong textile. Pour the mix in a PVC contractor bag and just squish the sheet in there for about 10 minutes. Then hang dry.
Great info. Store with cedar shavings and pepper mint oil to keep nasty critters away. Cheers!
Just want to let you know that painting canvas with "Spar Urethane" will seal & waterproof it. Spar Urethane is clear, UV resistant, oil based and finished result if similar to old fashion waterproofing using linseed oil. After sealing I painted cloth with latex paint.
Thanks for sharing i have an old camel canvas tent its in really good condition but I'm looking to do somthing like this I'm glad I watch this its not cheep and it will ad weight the tent is 7by7 on the floor and 5.5 tall so maybe I'll just cover it with a light weight tarp
You are great! Heartwarming! Informative! Solid sound quality and editing on point 🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝
Thank you!
How often do you need ta reapply this?great vid.thanks.
I left mine out for 2 years straight, and had the tarp fail because of friction rubbing on the frame it was attached to before the waterproofing failed.
@@BushcraftSavage wow.thanks
@@BushcraftSavage You should add these "durability updates" in your video description, because knowing how long it'll last and how it fails is really good to know, thank you for coming back to us!
Thank you much for the info . Been wanting to start using canvas tarps when I go camping . Great video !!!!
Merry Christmas to you & your family & a Very Happy New Year !!!!!
You are very welcome! Thank you for watching! Have a Blessed Christmas and New Years with your family also!
You're absolute poetry in motion when the music plays and vid is slowed down.
Um, yes, I HAVE been drinking. But only coffee...
Lol, Thank you CableKnitter.
Howdy from South Africa. Thanks for the awesome content. Will be giving this a try really soon.
I liked your video I plan to try it. Can you tell me where you got the music you used for your video I would like to download it Thanks
It was included in the license for filmic I paid for.
6:18 I know that feeling! The fumes! 🤣
Really inspiring video. Thank you for everything you do.
Surprised that container did not leak when you had that 10,000 rpm shaker going. Lol
I have a boat cover that is black. It is a little faded. Could i put some black dye in the waterproofing before i apply.
Good question, honestly I have no clue. I'm not sure how companies color their caulk, but if they use a similar process to paint they would use dry pigments and mix them into the base. You can get a black silicone caulk so maybe that is a better choice for what you are doing.
@@BushcraftSavage Thank you for your reply
I added some black oil base paint to the silicone and mineral spirits solution and the canvas came out looking like new.
I have been trying to find a method to waterproof my awning over a window that sets right under a gutter with a V channel that makes it hard to control the rain from coming right down on that 16” width of the awning/ 45” down. This sounds like it may work. Tk U.
Can I mix this by stirring in a bucket? I could never shake it like you did.
just watched your video and I will try it on my boat tarp . Like your jacket , Go Bears
woooa super Bro ! i love your choice of music and your poetic words in the midle of the process is so funy and very nice ! clever and smart good guy ! thank you very much !
Curious… what’s the average dry time before it can be tested? Great video, btw.
I waited 24 hours. Tempature is a big factor for how fast or slow the mineral spirits evaporate off.
you are killin' me with the slow motion music video. Speed it up dude. love the bears jacket.
just came on your channel well explained great tutorial thanks gonna look at all your content new suscriber 👍👍👍👍
Thanks Charles.
New subscriber here! Appreciate the honesty!
I have tried this on some of my canvas and it works. Thanks and take care.
Quinn The Eskimo, no problem, glad to hear it.
Is this the same as either silicon oil machine lubricant or silicon oil car shine? The only silicon caulk available online and in shops in the place where I live is the one mixed with acrylic.
No, it isn't either of those products. I used 100% silicone.
i just wadded mine up and put it in a tote and poured in the mixture and worked it till fully covered and then let dry,
New comment old thread.
Enjoyed your content. Great DIY solution. This would also make the canvas fire retardant.
Thinking a canvas wall or Baker hot tent build would be a great video. Not much on the Tube.
God’s blessings
Thank you Bubagrunts Amazing Outdoors.
I will look into those tents and see what is involved in making them. Depending on the cost and availability of 100% cotton canvas.
It normally doesn't get cold enough here to have much use for a hot tent. However, that being said I have wanted to have one nonetheless. God's blessings to you also.
I think I will try this but use a paint mixing paddle on my drill to speed up the mixing process. Think you for the video. I was not keen on camping with a fire hazard. The Hartford circus fire of 1944 killed 167 people and injured over 700 all in a matter of minutes because the canvas tent caught on fire that had been treated with wax and gasoline for water proofing.
Thank you for watching Justin.
I'm not keen on it either, nor am I enthusiastic about packing up a tarp treated with oxidizers that can spontaneous burst into flames or start generating heat in a pack for hours or days at a time. Be safe, and enjoy your time outdoors.
Yes you must use a drill and paint paddle mixer to get the mix right. Hand mixing takes forever and is not as effective. It should also be remixed every so often as it seperates/settles if sitting for long.
Hi super tips here what ratio looks like 5 to 1 and can you use on nylon to refresh a tent TIA any one else got reproofing tips.
For a nylon tent I would just use a couple of cans of the water proofing spray. You really wouldn't want any additives damaging an expensive tent.
Thank you for watching.
I'm sure by now you've seen the guy waterproofing bedsheets. He only used I believe 1 tube of silicone, but submerged it. Thanks for the video : )
I haven't seen it. Thank you for the view.
Awsome great idea .Subscribed and liked.
Thank you very much!
Thank you. Tried it and it worked.
Thanks for watching! Happy to help.
You had me at "hello savages" 😂
@@nunurbusiness162 Thank you, Savage!
hi.., would this work on shade sail fabric that is more open weaved...??
Will this discolor and leave am odor on your canvas?? Thanks for the video!
Hi Todd B, it will leave a Mineral Spirit smell that dissipates as the silicone solution cures, but goes away. As for discoloration goes, the silicon does cause it to change color slightly.
I appreciate your frustration on the lack of information on the formula ratios, when you mix it. How is the flexibility when you are done?
Paul Kline the canvas is still really flexible. It is only slightly more stiff.
@@BushcraftSavage that's what she said 🤣🤣🤣. Great info!
how do you think it holds up to mold & mildew?
@@DuelPorpoise it does pretty good at resisting mold and mildew. The fibers of the cloth are encased in silicone.
What about parafin wax? Or candle wax basically
You could make a waxed canvas tarp. I would suggest using beeswax over paraffin wax though.
can we save the mixed formula for later use? for example for 2 more weeks or so?
Sorry, Fiancee answered you incorrectly, no it cannot be saved for later use after mixed up. As the mineral spirits evaporate off the solution will get thicker and the silicone will cure in one big hunk.
Question: I need about 20 Litres of Turps to dump a Gennaker into. What is the ratio? Roughly.
Other recipes call for a ratio of 1 part silicone to 5 parts mineral spirits. I would start there and adjust based off the consistency. It should flow like milk.
Be careful using turpentine, it can oxidize and spontaneously combust.
Very innovative! Could silicone coated canvas be used as heated tent material? Is it more likely to catch on fire etc?
For a hot tent you will need fire retardant materials on the wall with the heat flashing for the chimney, there will just be too much heat to ensure it is 100% fire proof. Once the silicone cures and the mineral spirits evaporate off it is restant to embers though.
I say if you are going to undertake a hot tent project, the time and money you are going to invest to make one, I would subscribe to the "buy once, cry once" mentality and just buy the fire retardant canvas you will need for your hot wall. Yes, it will cost you more but it could save your life in the end.
I have seen kits for current commercial canvas tents to convert them into hot tents, and debated purchasing one for my kodiak canvas tent. The main drawback is there isn't an included fire retardant peice of canvas, the kits just include the metal for the heat flashing for the chimney.
Whichever route you decide, do so with your safety in mind. Heatsources inside tents can be dangerous but those dangers can be mitigated largely as long as you follow some safety precautions.
Cool video very educational.😁
Thank You for watching! 😁
Brill vid, got ya self a new sub! Just got a few questions if you don't mind answering.
What kind of curing time before it's usable?
Does it dry darker than the fabric was before application?
How long will it last with constant use? (I'm in the UK so imagine rain about 30% of the days)
Thanks man. The conditions we have here which is high humidity it took about 24 hours to cure. It was usable the next day. It does dry a little darker depending on what your canvas is made out of. The silicone is relatively clear so it shouldn’t change much. It depends on how much abuse the canvas goes through. If you use it just as a tarp it will last a long while (working on a year) and if you use it for dragging gear or animals out on it, it won’t last as long. Thanks for the subscribe!
@@BushcraftSavage Thanks! Much quicker than the linseed oil method for curing then, with that and its better fire resistance properties its exactly what I'm looking for. Going to be using it on the back of my Land Rover as a bit of multipurpose canvas, mostly for covering stuff and a quick "hay it wasn't meant to rain today" work tent. Thanks again 👍
Tip: don't pour the way shown, unless you want o put a 'vent hole' in your can. Better to pur with the spout on top, smoother pour with little 'glugging'.
Thanks for sharing.
Need help trying waterproof winter hot tent also is this fire proof?
Stephen, I'm not going to say fireproof, it is fire resistant. It won't burst into flames like a oil-skin tarp if an ember lands on it, or melt like a sil-nylon tarp would.
It would depend mainly on the fabric blend you are applying the silicone solution to once it cures. If the fabric has any nylon or plastics mixed in it will melt or shrink when exposed to heat sources.
If your hot tent is 100% cotton canvas, and you have the plate for your vent pipes and a spark arrestor on your stove. Once the solution cures your tent will be highly resistant to burning.
On the flipside, most commercial hot tents are made with flame retardant fabrics in the firstplace so they are already HIGHLY resistant to flames.
Thanks for watching, I hope that helps. Stay safe on your travels.
Hi. I’m new to doing DIY for my newly discovered outdoor activities. Thank you so much! In you opinion, is this more suited to large items like tarps tent bc for my canvas backpack and hat, everyone seems to use the wax method. Appreciate your or anyone else’s advise. - Kathleen
Hi Kathleen, It could work for something small or large. You would just scale down the recipe to fit your needs. If you have any other questions please feel free to ask!!
do you think i could do this to my boat cover? It is more flexible then most canvases i have seen.
I wouldn't see why you couldn't. As long as it is a fabric it will work on it.
Great video! After it dried how waxy would you say it seemed, looking at making a canvas tent for winter camping and up here in Canada that means a lot of snow, hoping to do mainly the bottom 2 feet to keep the snow from freezing to it, think it may work? thanks in advance
Thank you, it feels like rubber. As far as using this method for your tent to keep the snow from freezing to it, I really can’t say on that, it will keep the water from snow that melts from seeping into the fibers. It rarely snows here and sticks.
@@BushcraftSavage awesome 👌 thanks for the quick reply! Figure it's worth a go, if not I will sew some vinyl back canvas about 2 feet wide on
@@nikmeechan4688 wished I could be more help, but down here we just don’t have conditions like you guys have.
Love this helpful video
Does this get sticky in hot weather?? I'm also wondering if this would work with latex caulk???
No, it doesn’t get sticky in hot weather.
I used 100% silicone caulk, but my experience with latex paints or latex Halloween make-up it wont be as durable. But you can try a small batch and see.
We’d get reprimanded in the restaurant if we poured vegetable oil out of those 20 gal. plastic pails like that. Spigot is always at the top, not the bottom. The pail is able to breathe in, as the oil pours out.
Otherwise, great instructions. I was really thinking of going with the mineral spirits and tar method, but I think your method is better. Don’t want my shelter to go up in flames in the middle of a freezing snowstorm.
Hi majestic unicorn in a field of purple poppies and dasies, I appreciated your informative video and will apply this to my oikskin jacket which failed last week in helping clean up after cyclone Gabrielle in hawkes bay nz. Not only covered in mud but cold and wet as well.
Sorry to hear that Johnny. Prayers they recover quickly.
Cool, good information!
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If I wanted to make a canvas hot tent can u do that or would the mineral spirits ignite?
You dont use it till the spirits have evaporated & theres only silicon left.
Thank you so much for this video. It helps a lot 💯
Are you doing both sides,can it be done on the cement horizontally?
ROGER GODIN just one side, it will soak through. You can put it on concrete and then treat it, it will pick up any dirt that is on the concrete though.
You think Fireproof/ heat resistant silicone would work also
I'm not sure, you could mix a small batch and try it out. Silicone is already heat and fire resistant anyways. Just be sure to let the mineral spirits evaporate off fully before testing it out.
Can you apply this with a spray bottle?? Am thinking of applying this on my boat canvas bimini top
Dan Clark, it is quite thick so I wouldn't think you could, there is a much higher possiblility it will ruin your sprayer.
Mixing it up in a big plastic bucket and lid using a paint stirer attatched to an electric drill might save some time and to prevent splashing drill a small hole in the lid, thread the stirer through the hole then into the drill (lid shouldnt be able to cone off the end of the paint stirer) add ingredients, close lid then mix it all up.
If you use a big enough bucket and you mixes enough spirits and silicone you cluld potentially put the entire sheet into the mixture using the stirer to move it around making sure its all covered/wearing protective gloves to make sure the sheet is fully saturated
The reason I didn't mix it that way is because the fumes from the mineral spirits could ignite from the drill.
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Im thinking the cost and time to do this may outweigh the benefit … my cost per tube of silicone is $10 + a gallon of mineral spirits is close to $20a canvas can be about $20. For a 9x12. How much time did it take??
Can you pray paint that too... Do you have to apply that silicone on both sides of the tarp Is that mineral spirit flammable
Elvis Dioso, I wouldn't spray it, it would likely clog up any sprayers except an Industrial body shop sprayer.
No, you don't have to apply it to both sides. The mineral spirits thins the silicone enough to allow it to be fluid enough to pass through the fabric.
Yes, Mineral spirits are flammable. so don't have any open flames near by as you mix or apply the solution. However, after 24 to 48 hours the mineral spirits will evaporate off and leave the silicone behind, and Your material is waterproofed.
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@@BushcraftSavage thank you for your response and tips that will help me and I will continue to follow you thanks again
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Would white spirit be okay to use
Or as it got to be mineral spirits
Trevor, I have never heard of them being referred to as White Spirits, but after a quick search mineral spirits and white spirits appears to be the same product or at least similar in nature.
If all you have available are white spirits then I personally would do a smaller test to ensure it works before committing funds to a larger project.
Taken from Wikipedia.
White spirit (UK & Ireland)[note 1] or mineral spirits (US, Canada), also known as mineral turpentine (AU/NZ), turpentine substitute, and petroleum spirits, is a petroleum-derived clear liquid used as a common organic solvent in painting.[1] There are also terms for specific kinds of mineral spirits, including Stoddard solvent and solvent naphtha (petroleum). Mineral spirits are often used as a paint thinner, or as a component thereof, though paint thinner is a broader category of solvent. Odorless mineral spirits (OMS) have been refined to remove the more toxic aromatic compounds, and are recommended for applications such as oil painting.
Will the mineral spirits on eat up the tarp?
William Virgil, No. Thanks for watching.
I don't know myself, but that has got me worried too .🤷♂️
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Does it actually dry? I've gotten silicone on my jeans before that always had that slick feel to it.
Yes Robert, 100% silicone will dry and have a rubber like feel.
Depending on the type of silicone you got on you some kinds can feel slick and almost oily. Very common in silicone based grease and lubricants.
I enjoyed watching this video helps alot ill try this
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Hey man I'm glad I came across this video & thanks for the info. I've been doing my research & am looking to do my own canvas tarp for camping & hunting. I want to try & do some kind of camo pattern before treating it. Have any recommendations? Also what kind of canvas? 10 oz? Numbered? & whats the size? If you could maybe help me out I'd really appreciate it. I've been trying to figure out which way to go. I also wanted to make it somewhat fire resistant. Thanks man. Keep it up.🤙
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That one was 10’ x 8’. I think, maybe 12’, it is 10 oz canvas though.
I tried doing a woodland pattern on mine, it did not turn out as expected, the canvas I have access to locally is all poly cotton blend and if you want to dye polyester you have a dye just for synthetics and it requires you to boil the dye maintain an almost boiling temp for a certain amount of time. Doing any kind of pattern with synthetic dyes will be almost impossible for a diy project unless you can find a product that will work without a heat source.
I tried using just regular Rit dye in dark greens and browns and wound up with that weird green color on mine.
I would suggest you get a 100% cotton canvas and use Rit dye and a garden sprayer and just spray the pattern you would like. Then follow the directions for the setting the dye.
I hope that helps some.
@@BushcraftSavage hey thanks for responding & yeah most definitely helps. Gives me some different ideas. & the one I'm looking at is 100% cotton. I heard of some ppl using spray paint but they didnt really specify what there tarp was made of. & then I also found someone talk about fabric spray paint (whatever that is). I dont kno much when it comes to this stuff. But anywho would you recommend doing it this way or would you try wax or something if you were to do it again? Thanks man.
@@ctrip34 if I was gonna make another I would use 100% cotton, mix up the silicone and mineral spirits in a thrift store blender(outside for the possible ignition of the mineral spirits.) I’m not sure if I would dunk it in a vat and hang it up to dry or use a paint roller again though, the vat route would be really wasteful, and messy but way quicker.
You could use spray paint but it would wear and could cause the silicone to peel off, if I were to use spray paint I would let the silicone cure first then paint it, and just reapply when it wears off.
@@ctrip34 using wax will water proof the canvas if you use a product like fixing wax, but it would take a fair amount of it to cover a canvas that is large enough to be used as a shelter. It will require a warm space to let the wax melt into the fibers also.
Did you apply the solution on top or below the canvas?
Only on one side. It soaks through the fibers of the canvas. So there isn’t much need to do both sides.
There is no mineral spirit in my country. What else i can use?
Where do you reside?
How come mine didn't mix together . I used a drill and mixing paddle ? The silicon stays in the bottom. .I don't mix
@stevegreen6588 did you use 100% silicone? Also the drill mixer might not agitate enough to breakup the silicone.
Use naptha as your solvent
I wonder is this the same as just soaking tarp in silicone?
Mitchell, no. It requires mineral spirits to act as a carrier fluid for the silicone.
Why hang it to apply sealer?
So it doesn’t get dirt on it. You don’t have to hang it to apply the solution if you have a suitable place. It will stick to it while it dries though. So I would still suggest hanging it up for it to dry.
It's super hard to get my silicone caulk to dissolve in mineral spirits, I'm going to try gasoline or lacquer thinner next time.
OH Einstein, gasoline is flammable and will surely mess up your chosen fabric no matter what it is and lacquer thinner will also.try a better quality mineral spirit.
9:54 but use naphtha as the solvent
@@t0mq I used gasoline and it works amazing, instantly dissolves it. And it's cheap as hell. Give it a try if you haven't. You'll see
Put it in a plastic bottle and shake it for about 2 min. Dissolved perfectly for me
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Is the material flammable after the silicon treatment
It is until the mineral spirits evaporate off. Once they evaporate off the flammability is reduced drastically.
Thank you for the video 😊
Im worried that the mineral spirits, will eat in too my canvas canopy, on the back ov my ute . If anyone knows please reply .
Congrats on the ute. We can't get them here, unfortunately. As for your question. I have no idea if it will or not, but after a quick search, there are some concerns I would have if it was my vehicle. Ie, possible damage to paint, plastics, and some rubbers. In short I would just replace my cover to avoid doing any damage to my vehicle. You can't really be certain that any tar or pine sap residue has gotten on your ute that would damage the paint. Or 100% that any of the plastics or rubber has compounds that would react. Just play it safe, and have the cover replaced.
Has mold or algae grown on canvas over time?
I left this one outside for a year attached to a frame and didn't see any mold, mildew, or algae grow on it during that time. It was at a fairly steep angle, so water drops would run off of it.
Essentially, you are putting a thin coat of plastic on the tarp. The same thing Rust Oleum does with their sprays. I think the mineral spirits and silicone is cheaper to do it, though.
..... It is a bit more than just a surface coating - if you do it right, it soaks right into the material. Spray-ons are less likely to soak right in
How is it for fireproofing?
It makes it fire resistant once you let the mineral spirits evaporate.
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What size is your tarp?
12’ x 10’ I believe. I wanted one that could touch the ground if need be for my hammock.
I use candel wax works good
would it be easier and quicker to lay plastic on a garage floor and put the tarp on that to roll or just soak it and spread it on the floor? never done it and thanks for an honest review. good video.
Yes and no. Yes, it would be easier, however the waterproofing mixture is tacky, so the plastic would want to stick to the canvas while it dries. And you will still have to hang it up and open it up so the mineral spirits can evaporate off.
The reason I hung it up was so dirt didn't get on it while the solution was being applied to the canvas.
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Been breathing too much of those mineral spirits huh?
Quality untreated cotton canvas has been used for over 150 years without any waterproofing because the fibers swell when damp...thereby sealing out the rain. The military treated cotton canvas items only because they are rarely cleaned and often put away wet. If you are dealing with a quality actual cotton canvas, clean it periodically yet...do not treat it. If you decide to treat it anyway...never use the wax and kerosene formula often touted on TH-cam. This is so flammable that it will turn your tent into a huge fire-starter just waiting to be lit. See you in the great outdoors!
Naphtha works best if you can find it