There's A Region Of Argentina That Speaks Welsh
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- This is a fun but simple format I like
If you want to support more videos like this one, I have a patreon:
/ toycat
/ toycat - Subreddit community! For discussions on all the things you see on this channel
Check out my main channel at / ibxtoycat
Also on twitter @ibxtoycat
“God, please not Wales or Argentina.”
“Sir, where am I?”
“Puerto Madryn.”
I'm from the area and that's the least welsh city actually 😂 the most welsh towns are probably rawson and gaiman, literally speaks 100% welsh like me
@@kobs7863 Your surname sounds rather austrian or german swiss
@@MrLaizard i mean its in argentina
@@zerkku7916 you just made the joke of the year without probably knowing
don't gorget that a part of argentina speaks german
I'm Welsh
unsubscribed
ooh
Hi welsh
Ibxtoysheep
stop
Y Wladfa, relatively well known in Wales and unheard of anywhere else. Theres a Welsh film called Patagonia about Welsh-Argentinians visiting Wales and Welsh people visiting Patagonia
Where can I source this film?
I'm argentine half german half welsh and i really like your picture
@@kobs7863 gracias/ danke/ diolch
@@kobs7863 How are you half and half and half?
@@Improj69 what do you mean? My granparents were german and my other granparents were welsh
"I like this flag more than the Peoples Republic of China"
*Social Credit Score -100000*
What
Well... I mean every modern flag is ugly as hell. I mean three stripes of random colour. A dot in the middle. Random stars which look all the same in every flag. Always the same colours, patterns and shapes.
Even babies which have just been born can make better flags then our governments.
But it has a dragon. Dragons make any flag cooler
Love how no one cares how racist that meme is.
@Quinnard I'm talking about the +/-1000 meme. Have you actually seen the meme itself? It has a racist depiction of a chinese fella.
My school were taught about patagonia in Welsh lessons and it became a joke when you asked "why are we learning Welsh if it's not spoken anywhere else" and someone would say "what about Argentina?"
Here in argentina we always say that when we learn welsh, but we say "what about wales?"
Every time in comp
@@kobs7863 is this actually true ahahah???
@@SyntaxErr19287 no haha
@@kobs7863 noooo vos sos de instagram jajajajajja
A few years ago I actually went on a school trip to Patagonia (from Wales) and visited the area where they speak Welsh. It was a really weird experience but so much fun and my favourite thing was definitely how the Welsh and Argentinian accents blended when they spoke Welsh. Many of the places in the area are actually named oddly because they are the Spanish way of saying Welsh words.
What towns did you visit? Greetings from argentina, long live cymru
@@kobs7863 We stayed in Trelew and visited Gaiman, Dolavon and Puerto Madryn. We went to other places too but I can't remember where exactly. (We also stayed in Buenos Aires for a few days on the way back)
@@samueljhughes i'm sorry for you, i was born near trelew, it's a shithole but the other places are really beautiful i hope you had a great time here
@@samueljhughes buenos aires for the win
"This sounds like a fan-made thing" this implies there are Argentina fans
I'm from Argentina 😁
Another Argentine here 🇦🇷
@@CorvusLeukos but do you stick to the roof and spin around really fast to push air around?
@@loreleihillard5078 wtf are you saying?
@@CorvusLeukos are you really a fan?
This is exactly the kind of content that brought me into the Toycat empire in the first place -- thank you!
You've done ✅
yea
I live there in Patagonia, you miss that lady Diana came to visit here due this colony. Also there's still the cup that she drank from at the tea house she came (little spilled for a princess lol). Ask me anything.
as an Australian seeing west Australian become independent wouldn't be that surprising seeing the current way Australia's going
I don't think it will actually happen, though we have been flexing our "We're different over here in WA" muscles lately.
Wassie here (wow that sounds dumb) and yeah your right lol. This time has really emphasized our differences. Especially with every state govt making their own policies. I mean one state closing their borders to the rest of the country and the world. That is the epitome of separation.
Consuming media (podcasts or tv in my case) made by Australians over east has never felt less relatable.
@@bfc9467 nsw and vic is gonna open to the world before wa
West Australia was almost impendent
Do you think New Zealand will ever become independent from Australia?
The Celtic part of Spain is Galicia, its the portion right above Portugal :) It's basically a basin surrounded by mountains.
No I'm Basque I am not a baker
The region of the Minho river in Portugal is also a Celtic part of Iberia, their DNA is still pretty present there
However, toycat says the reason why it’s Celtic is because it wasn’t conquered by muslims but that is inaccurate, Asturias survived Muslim Conquest, not Galicia
You know an unassuming person reading the title might think you may have just started another war between the British and the Argentines.
Profil Jo
Not really, everybody in Argentina knows, just the same as the United states, almost all the population here are descendants of Europeans, and people like to keep their roots so many people have family over seas mainly in Italy but still we have German communities Spanish communities and so on. The thing with the Welsh people (kind of the same happened with the danish) is that they were so far away in the Patagonia for so long that they never had to actually learn Spanish in the past (because at the end of the 19 century the school system started and Spanish was the language in school and only adults were left speaking they original European languages), so yes, they are argentines and of course they know how to speak Spanish, but it's true they speak Welsh.
@@MariaJulia-od8jv iooooooooo
@@MariaJulia-od8jv la verdad que yo no tenia idea que en concreto habia una comunidad de Gales por aca, soy de rio negro y por estos lados se menciona bastante poco la ascendencia europea porque es algo que se da por entendido y se profundiza talvez mas en el lado originario de las tierras
This also explains that Argentina was once wealthy enough that people from Wales would cross across Atlantic to the south to settle there than go few miles to Manchester or London. Its interesting that Argentina attracted all sorts of people.
It was basically a romance united states back then. The welsh only came bc of these colonies that were specifically targeted to welsh people who wanted to maintain welsh culture. But most migrants came from romance countries (Italy, Spain, France). But yeah, all sorts of people arrived in Argentina, in different sizes of course.
I visited Puerto Madryn and Trelew. It was quite an interesting dynamic compared to other parts of Argentina I visited. I would say it’s a place known for being a place with a lot of Welsh descendants, but many of the people there told me that there isn’t a huge welsh-speaking population. Like most other immigrant populations in Argentina, they all learned Spanish over time and almost everyone there who speaks welsh also speaks Spanish.
Yes, unfortunately the Argentine government had prohibited teaching it, but now it's not like that, it is the rule to teach it, although there are few Welsh natives there. 🏴💚🇦🇷
I'm from the Chubut province. Everyone speaks Spanish here. Yes some people speak Welsh, there is a strong Welsh descendants community, and people from Wales come here all the time, but is not an isolated thing from the rest of the country. There were even Welsh Argentines in the Falklands in war.
chibnut spaonish
Toycat: "The number of countries is only going to increase as time goes on"
Also Toycat: thinks the EU will become one country someday
I can think of one counterexample: Lesotho has people who have argued there is no longer any reason to be separate from South Africa.
Let’s hope the EU doesn’t become one country they have too much Power as it is
i have fond memories of watching your minecraft videos in around (if i remember correctly) 2013-2015 (where i would've been 8-10 years old) and even though i'm not very interested in minecraft anymore i recently found out about your geography videos and since i just happen to be more interested in geography these days i still manage to find enjoyment in your videos after all these years! greetings from australia!!!
Chibnall please find
@@feluk- what
@@HolyRomanEmpire962-1806 what
@@HolyRomanEmpire962-1806 ot5
This place is actually a huge tourist attraction. I live a couple of hours by car away and it's super popular for people who live here to go and spend the day there and try their tea which is special. They also have a train museum which I visited with my school a couple of years back
That explains why they preserved the foreign look.
Let's go
I know some famous German artist living in Argentina too! What a beautiful diverse country
do you mean Martín Blaszko?
did anyone else find this before his main channel
Free Martha's
I'm going to watch this later when i'm going to eat lunch.
edit: Watched it and enjoyed it and i also enjoyed my lunch.
Ok
Ok
Ok
Ok
Ok
In this video, I suppose that the Scots Gaelic-speaking part of Cape Breton Island and elsewhere in Nova Scotia could have been discussed at least in passing. I regard that as the Canadian equivalent of the Welsh colony of Chubut, Argentine Patagonia.
Eyyy, I’m welsh and they would always teach us about Patagonia in school hahah
My two state solution to Israel-Palestine:
Israel: New England
Palestine: New Wales
Then we can redo the whole whole history of England and Wales with a new backdrop.
New New England and New North Wales.
Cyrmugonia (Combination of the Welsh name of Wales and the Argentine region of Patagonia)
He's wearing glasses! :0
Looking good 😎
Based
Agree, really fits him.
Hello, Argentinian here! Haven't been there sadly, but have visited other regions in which other languages are spoken, greetings from here!
I went there in 2017 most people dont speak welsh anymore, its just another argentine town with a migrant colony past. There are many weird migrant colonies forgoten in the argentine interior, my father came from one of swedish, germans and russians in the midle of the jungle in misiones province
In Patagonia, Argentina, there exists also an Afrikaner/Boer enclave or community. They fled South Africa during the 2nd Anglo-Boer war (1899-1902) in which the English burnt down farmland and rounded up women and children and put them in concentration camps. The Afrikaner/Boers have had a bit of a goodluck-badluck moment, because they found diamonds and gold in their independent republics, which set off the wars between them and the British. When these Boers fled to Argentina, the government gave them a large portion of arid, dry land to farm on, BUT THEN THEY STRUCK OIL and the government took the land back to get rich from this natural resource. The families still live there and there is a documentary about them called 'The Boers at the end of the world'.
Puerto Madryn is awesome, I even got the colony´s flag as a souvenir
support country independence because of a lot things: nope
support country independence because of their flags: yes
It's not a separate colony, colony in this case means settlement, but I mean there are settlements of non-spanish or Portuguese origin in many places in South America, where people would come from overseas buy a farm and start a small village. It doesn't make them a different colony they never had political autonomy or anything like that.
Farm
It's not like colonialism it's way more like immigration. Like the overseas Chinese. Or like French Canadians.
@@gamermapper lot
Glad to see you only took 3 keys instead of your 3 lines for this video.
At 3:40 I really thought you were about to say that this is why there is a huge German population in Argentina and I think that pause you did there was on purpose
About 6 months ago I learned about Welsh Argentina and found it very interesting how it happened, like the german colonization of southern Chile. Glad there's more interesting videos talking about it
In Argentina and Brazil there was also german colonization.
Wales is a country (principality to be precise) the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a Nation made up of 4 countries with distinct languages histories and cultures. Why is this so hard for people.
Wales is a "country" if you use country to describe subdivisions of the UK, and not when you mean sovereign state (as most people do) why is this so hard for people.
There is no right answer. Countries are different depending on what you view a country is. No need to argue Wales will be Wales and Britain
@@ibx2cat You're definition is somatic. Mine I legal. We don't pretend our other countries don't exist while oppressing their people's and language (anymore).
Free Gascony
The Isle of man is a part of the UK. Dependent territories of the UK, including overseas territories and Crown dependencies just work like very autonomous part of the UK and aren't a part of any other sovereign state.
Have you considered that the uk is not the center of the world therefore some people don’t care enough to study this kinda stuff?
I'm busy so I can't view this video rn but I'm really happy someone's making a video about Puerto Madryn. I live in Buenos Aires and I've been to this place and I loved it
About time you got around to this.
And there’s a region of Argentina that speaks German…
Mister Jesus T
And italian
Wales 🏴 whooo
Wable
ah yes, my favorite language... western
So panelist
12:23 Watch out toycat! Your social credit was lowered after your comment about the CCP. We're going to have to take your channel for a bit in order to put it back on the right path. Also how do you know what an independence movement is? and what is Taiwan? Keep working loyal citizen for a better social credit
I love the bit where he lists out the great things the CCP has done.
Also, I was nowhere near Beijing on 4th June. In fact, I'm pretty sure that 4th June 1989 was an ordinary day.
Comrade let's support the communist party because without them there would be no new China!! +10000 Social Credit
Edit: in all seriousness that joke was pretty funny
I'd just advise a little caution. People in Latin America really like to pretend they are like foreigners, particularly Europeans or Americans, and so similarities or connections to those places are often hugely exaggerated. In Brazil for example it's almost a meme how people invariably will talk about how "there are many Germans in the south of Brazil", or "Brazil is a country of immigrants", whenever there is a mention of the country online - and unironically, particularly if the mention associates Brazil too much with Latin America, Africa, or its own local culture. It is as if in their minds immigration from 100 years ago would rub on them and make them Europeans or as if they could make Brazil the US simply by repeating those mantras, "we are like the US, we are an immigration society", while if you actually go to the south of Brazil you'll realize it is nothing like German, people don't speak German basically at all, and in the places where there is "German architecture" oftentimes it's literally just the façade to attract tourists. Numbers of immigrants and descendants in Brazil, as well as their influence, are also greatly exaggerated by these people. So it's good to make a lot of research before believing their tales.
Residpresidner on the moon
I mean, here an Argentine talking, a lot of people I know have the double citizenship, it is true that the north is full of truly Americans and their descendants, many families trace their ties to the incan civilization. But in Buenos Aires and around everyone belongs to a collectivity (meaning group of people) I have ties to germans and Italians (where I got citizenship) and in my case all my great grandparents came from abroad, still that doesn't make me European I'm American (although I have the citizenship I dont feel Italian and I would never define myself as so).
It is though, undeniable that Latin American countries vary widely in respect to this, you dont have the same amount of immigration in Argentina and Ecuador for example and that is noticeable in the goverment the people names and their last names, but we are all Americans none of us are better that the other.
Football is another topic though 😉😉
@@MariaJulia-od8jv j
@@MariaJulia-od8jv aregmnita
I went to a Welsh primary school and this is something they brung up frequently
the bougainville flag looks like the amiga boing ball
"don't want to upset Daddy China any way". 🤔 We won't tell anyone..
Tbh Argentina is rightfully British clay.
UNLVMam
Would have been so on a de jure basis if the British had had their way in 1807.
@@yodorob name num is it
it would be if it didn't have its ass kicked, but it did, and now Argentina is albanian
@@fencino wilbur
China? You mean Western Taiwan?
Who are we
As a Western Australian I have never felt state pride until watching this video.
I guess I remember something from all those duolingo lessons, Ty Gwyn is clearly white house, and Ysgol Gymraeg is a Welsh school, Plas y Coed is something to do with "the forest"
9:40 "ee oo-lahd-vah"
18:10, you are thinking of Galicia but the celtic culture there is more of an import from britons (ancestral welsh people) fleeing Britain while it was being conquered by the Anglo-Saxons, some of which ended up in France and became the Bretons of Brittany.
"Plas y coed" Plas - Mansion, Y - The, Coed - Tree's. Coedwig - forest
12:25 I died when he just went silent XD
The weird thing that not many know or remember is that Argentina was indeed part of the British Empire. Not in a conventional way, but with the partnership of the high class ruling society who were, and still is anglophile. Even Trotsky mentioned it in "Capitalism, higher level of Imperialism". That is why Buenos Aires had the only branch of Harrods outside London. Argentina has played rugby, hockey, polo, cricket etc for a century and half and many british uses are part of our society like afternoon tea.
Litteraly found about at this yesterday, cool that you are making a video about it
“Hello, I’m IBXTOYCAT and I have laser eyes”
Y Wladfa
the "wl" is like one quick sound so its not "wuh ladfa" its a very quick transition from the w to the l. kind of like saying the name "will" but without the i.
bearing that in mind, as an englishman, read the following out loud:
"eurgh wladvuh"
and don't pronounce the r in eurgh (for people from other places who are reading this)
My grandpa is from the German speaking region
You dont want to upset *Daddy China* is one of the most amazing sentences ever...my own country is an example of so many cultures in just one boundary and I truly believe that country is just people coming together to get a government
was hoping you would talk about the canada red ensign with the negative space. not feeling the shirt joke
*Reads Title In Notifications* A Toycat Video About Y Wladfa? Hell Yeah!
EDIT: So, He Didn't Mention It, So I Want To Share One Of My Favourite Fun Facts About Y Wladfa: The Modern Welsh Number System Was Invented In Y Wladfa. To Explain, There Are Actually Two Commonly Used Welsh Counting Systems: The Traditional "Vigesimal" System, And The Newer "Decimal" One. The Traditional One Is Kinda Complicated, But For The Most Part Has Individual Names For Everything From 1-20, Plus 40, 60, And 80, And Names All Other Numbers Are Based On That, For Example 35 Is Said As "15 On 20", I Believe, While The New System Is Much Simple, Two-Digit Numbers Are Just Said As A Combination of Three Words: The Number Of Tens, The Number Ten, And Then The Number Of Ones, So 35 Is Thus Said Literally As "3 Ten 5", And This Newer One Was Invented By A Patagonian Businessman.
Bonus Fun Fact: You May Have Heard About The Silly Way French Expresses Numbers 60-100, And Specifically 99, But Welsh Does It In An Arguably Even More Silly Way, With The Traditional System Atleast, In Which 99 Is Said As "4 On 15 And Four Twenty".
Why the capital letters
Diolch am eich comment chi! :D Mae'n neis i ddarllen rhywun sy'n gwybod llawer o bethe am Gymru!
May be somebody will be able to explain. The vast numbers of people from Britain that left their homes for unknown corners of the globe to become colonizers.
Explanation why Dutch were not able to keep New York(New Amsterdam) was apparently that Netherlands was very rich territory and very few people were eager to leave- therefore Dutch formed just a very small portion of population of New Amsterdam etc. Same explanation why French lost Quebec (too few French there at times of 7 year war)
Britain was also one of the richest countries by the beginning of the 19th century- yet, British people kept leaving Britain and went to colonies. As opposed to French, Dutch etc. Why? What did motivate Brits to leave more than other 'rich' nations?
Hey toycat, how they get it is trucks, I live in WA and you see a lot of trucks going around, road trains and all, so the answer is trucks, typically toll trucks
Now's the time for the Queen to walk down the Patagonia and colonize the Argentine Welsh towns herself...
The last time the bri'ish triet to colonize Argentina it didnt end well for them
Lets make the Queen and Mirtha LeGrand fight in a 1vs1
The British Queen vs the Argentina Queen
@@KarmaTheNarrator23 the Argentinian queen is actually the Dutch queen lol, Mirtha is great tho
I wish the UK would colonize us today, we would do 1000 times better.
@@GUSTA99X yep
The Spanish fact sounds a lot like the Basque country (where Bilbao is). However, the culture is not celtic, we don't even know where the language comes from because it's not related to any other language in the world! It probably comes from the people that lived there before the arab invasion, but historians say we can't tell for sure.
Also, the culture that's the most linked to the celts in Spain is Galician (they even have bagpipes), but they speak a language very close to portuguese, they just kept a little part of the culture.
Like any other country, Spain has lots of cultures, but people don't get to hear about it because of the stereotypes and because it's only one country. There's also lots of languages that are spoken in Spain, but only three got to cooficial level (in their regions Spanish and the local language are official), but many are going extinct...
Don't you mean before the Roman conquests considering the Muslims (not all were Arab, in fact most of them were Berbers who had recently converted and also been conquered). The "people who lived there before the muslim invasion" doesn't make any sense.
Actually, some historians think they are people who there even before the Celtic influx into Iberia.
They also had to fight off the Frankish invasions as well so they've been there for a while now.
@@skatingfreak1670 yes, you're completely right! I haven't studied history for a while, I was trying to remember the most I could from school, and it has been a few years already
As a Brit living in Israel, I would love to have a two-state solution with the Welsh. Finally some good culture over here. I highly support it.
im in year 10 in wales and we had to learn about this throughout ks3 years
The Bougainville flag looks like the MCP from Tron.
3:05 recently heard about a similar story with a Greek nationalist under Turkish rule who went to live in Zambia or Zimbabwe I'm not 100% certain, and nowadays there's an entire Greek Orthodox tribe numbering 4.000 members descended from him
This isn't exactly news, this has been common knowledge for quite some time.
Was the Dakotas reference to Hutterites?
Hutterites are one of several German religious movements that settled in the US and maintained a separation from mainstream society. I think there are more Amish than Hutterites. The Amish actually own something like 2% of all arable land in the United States, with major concentrations in Pennsylvania around Lancaster, in Ohio near Canton, and in Indiana near Elkhart. They speak archaic German dialects that are no longer found in Germany, although their language is highly influenced by English and all the words for items invented in the last two hundred years or so tend to be English.
Lol I visited near there when I was young, I'm from Buenos Aires
Will somebody inform him his hair needs a wash
Haven't seen this much combination of Spanish and Welsh since the Duolingo streams of Ironmouse and CDawgVA.
Wow I didn't know I can speak Welsh so this is cool
Wow I didn't know I can speak Welsh either!
After Argentina almost exterminated the Patagonian Indians in 1880, most Argentines didn't want to populate Patagonia because of the brutally cold and harsh desert climate. But Argentina needed people in order to not lose those lands to Chile. So they accepted immigrants from Europe: Italians, Spanish, Germans, Welsh and even some of the hated English. Thus today many small towns and cities have foreign names.
I'm a patagonian half welsh half german and i confirm
to be more precise: most of those people were taken all over the country, noy just patagonia, which remind really unpopulated still. And when it comes to the english, it is important to point out that the goverment prefered english and french immigrant over anyone else, but they weren't going to reject the new working force arriving to the country
@@b-don7930 Yup. So true. And instead of French and English, they got mostly Italians and Spanish. Today almost half of Argentina has Italian ancestry.
ibx2cat: "I am once again not asking for your financial support"
Found out recently I’m Welsh, and this got recommended, pretty cool.
I wonder if Bougainville will debut in the Olympics in 2028 or if they might participate at independent athletes like South Sudan did in 2012.
Y wladfa is said (ugh - wlad - fa)
Its hard because there isn’t a sound in English that says the letter y
I know this already because im from wales and go to a welsh school
Google maps as a globe is nice *:)*
0.28 western speaking world..
Ah yes, I speak western.
fuel tankers take the fuel to the gas station like they do everywhere else
mne
The Federal seat of Kalgoorlie was the largest single member electorate in the world.
Share this to Connor from Trash Taste.
language fun fact, word "Spruce" is literally from polish "z Prus", which means "From Prussia". Polish traders in early 1000s brought spruce tree from Prussia, and, when asked what's it's name, they said "Z Prus" because due to their limited english they though that they are asked about the tree's origin.
We are a melting pot, we have germans Welsh Danish Italians French and Spanish communities, and their kings and queens come visit them sometimes. It is really cool that some of them kept their languages and many still have family overseas (mostly italians). We are a melting pot because people wanted to abandon they home countries and go somewhere better, and then karma got to us, their descendants.
13:37 toycat: "You don't know geography"
14:11 toycat can't pronounce Bougainville
1337 move there mate.
“They do many great things for the world like… hmmm” 😂
For the pronunciation of the Argentinian place…listen to the first line of the Welsh national anthem.
And with the formation of 1.4 billion independence movements for each separate persons culture in China, toycat was officially named an enemy of the state
Old hat where have you been? 😮
About the pronunciation of the Welsh name:
W is pronounced like oo in "root" as far as I remember.
It is a vowel, not a consonant.
Interesting video
I live in Cascadia. I was born on one side of the settler border in Cascadia and grew up on the other side of the border. I say this because it's another region that has a separatist movement, though not very serious
JOE strummer
10:55 +15 social credit score
Only people that live in Western Australia can like.
I like old school videos
There’s some separatist movements in brazil, like republic rio grandense that actually existed for a short time
I speak Welsh! And live in Wales!!
Wtf tibetan flag is gorgeous 😂
Gorgus