Burton: The Animated Series?! How Batman 1989 and Batman Returns Influenced BTAS
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- Much of the world of "Batman: The Animated Series" was directly inspired by the Tim Burton "Batman" and "Batman Returns" movies, from character designs, to origin stories, to even the cartoon's theme song!
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GothamAlleys is a great resource for how the films relate to comics. Sorry to see it’s no longer updated.
I'm in my forties , old school fan so I know of this origin connection quite well , , , I find it amazing how many so-called Batman fans , have absolutely NO CLUE about this or the fact this is the model CONROY uses everytime he voices Batman in ANYTHING , , ,
from Batman 1989 movie...........my favorite part
Joker: you idiot you made me remember , you droped me into that vat of Chemicals. That wasn't easy to get over and don't think that I didn't try!. 🤣🤣😂😂😂
Until recent years I didn’t realize how much of a pioneer the 89 Batman was. Coming up with the black bat-suit, the grapnel gun, the line launcher, the Batwing, and Bruce changing his voice as Batman is all pretty impressive.
Also one of my favorite things about the 1989 Burton suit was how Batman would use his Wrist Guanlets to fight the Goon with the swords,and it was later featured in the Christopher Nolan Trilogy and its in the Arkahm games,were you fight Ras Al Gul."DOPE"
@@caininmilton1267 Yes, I’ve always loved how the Bat-Suit functions in this movie. The gauntlets and boots can deflect attacks, the breast plate is armored, the cape allows him to glide, the belt has a built in rail that brings gadgets from the back to the front, and it has built in gadgets like the contraption that comes out from his palm near the end. Almost none of that stuff was in the comics.
I really wish I could’ve been around at when the film came out to experience all of these innovations for the first time. They would’ve blown my mind.
And the way Gotham looked. Before that it usually was just a dingy New York
@@idiot_city5244 so...just new york?
But I hated how rubbery and thick the suit looked.
I've always like The Penguin in BTAS. He looks deformed and hideous, but he's also a polite and sophisticated gentleman. I like that contrast.
Not to mention he's a ruthless business man who's not afraid to get his hands dirty.
I love how in the Burton movie from 1989,They make the trend of the movie like a mixture between the 1940s and the 1980s.The Characters had Tommy Guns/1940s styled cars,and the thugs dressed like 1940s Gangsters,while still maintaining the 80's fashion/Tech,like sneakers,Boombox stereos,Prince Music etc,very clever and unique.
Yeah! And that carried over into BTAS, I love it too.
One of my favorite things about it
Thats the art deco era influence from the 20-50s every impress8ve depiction of Gotham since has been a Gothic deco mix of old and new tech dick Tracy esque
Yet another reason to love Tim Burton's Batman. Such dark and gritty films but in a charming way, and the soundtrack is a godsend.
I have the best memories hearing the same soundtrack every time I would load up lego Batman 2 with my brother.
McDonald's basically killed the Batman trilogy.
@@SayAhh That was very disappointing. I wanted to see a true sequel to Batman Returns. Total bs what we got.
@@SayAhh, blame the parents for this, actually it wasn't McDonald's or Warner Bros. It was the parents who sent letters to WBEI complaining about the dark atmosphere that Batman Returns took on, so Tim Burton stepped away from directing, and was only placed as producer of Batman Forever.
@@derekcrandall7561, blame the parents for this, it wasn't McDonald's or Warner Bros., it was them who complained about the dark atmosphere of Batman Returns.
Always willing to buckle in for a half-hour Database vid ;)
Yessir
If Burton was in charge, Batman would be more than “sorely tempted” to kill the Sewer King
Hell he would’ve probably teamed up with Andrea and they’d be an unstoppable killing duo
@@mrcritical6751 I never really thought about it before reading your comment, but now I really want to see The Phantasm brought to live action.
@@mrcritical6751 he never straight up murdered people he just killed people in self defense and turned their attacks against them
I get Batman smiling after putting a bomb on a bad guy being offputting to fans who're used to his no kill rule, but come on, stop treating Burton's Batman as if he's the fucking Punisher or something.
Besides, in the "Mad Love" episode Batman purposefully punches Joker to make him fall down into a burning factory chimney. Don't even try to argue with me "Bats totally knew he would've survived a burning factory chimney!"
@@DeepEye1994 see you re kinda wrong here for many reasons. For one and imo the best being if you read the original mad love story (which I highly recommend), made by Dini and Timm , on the run of batman adventures comics before it gets adapted in the new batman adventures series( same series we see Joker getting hit by a huge bell that fell from a skyscraper, hitting only his hand by accident, which he gets to keep).
In the comic, you get a much better and bigger fight , which gives much more the vibes of a fight to the death , a mortal combat . Even so , right after Joker goes for the kill, with his dagger (not some simple knife) in his hand, and after Batman resorts to punch him (in a phenomenal whole page shot masterpiece) you get in the next panel Joker falling from the train , and Batman reaching out , trying to catch him. Then Joker, as he falls to the pit , he screams "OH NO, NOT AGAIN" of all things.
I know we tend to assume that the most canon dcau thing is whatever it is animated first, but in this case I think arguably we face an exception, and one thats both written and drawn by Dini&Timm, themeselves. Batmans no killing rule is not a thing you get used to, nor a characteristic you attach to him on occasion. Its as important to the character's structure as his parents dying , his physical and mental attributes, his fighting skills and his mask and gadgets having bat shape. You take that away, and the whole structure falls down , makes no sense.
This is not meant in any sort of way as a comment about whether or not criminals deserve the death penalty in our society , or about judging Batman's morality, or anything like that. Its just pointing out that Batman's no killing rule is part of his foundation in his character's structure and without it you have basically another character. Damn I fkn wrote a small essay again XP
I think it’s funny that it is “BTAS” when it could have been “Batman: Animated Television Series” aka “BATS”
13:59 Holy crap I want to see more New Batman Adventures designs in the older art style. That Black Catwoman is so good.
Check out our couple of BTAS Lost Episodes videos! Mattie shows off a BTAS-style Creeper there!
So basically thank the 80s comics and Movies for the badass 90s cartoon! Those two decades seriously rocked!
My favorite element is how Keaton's Batman was only barely functional as a human being. Taking inspiration from Robin having called him out in the original Titans/Outsiders team-up (because Terra and Geo-Force had a family connection to the villain in question), and showing how broken a man Bruce was without Dick to be a mentor toward.
I remember in "The Cat and The Claw" Selena had an assistant who looked like a less frazzled Selena from the movie. Even as a kid I was able to recognize the cartoon was clearly drawing from the movies. It was weird but I also liked the odd mix of future and past in the series. Like how all the televisions were black and white and all the classic cars throughout the series. But I'm so glad they went with a hybrid design for The Penguin. Keeping him deformed like in the movie but making him genteel was a great contrast for the character. And of course putting in as much effort as possible to make the Joker genuinely funny when he was on screen. So many versions of Joker, especially on TV just have him doing the motions of being comical while never actually being funny. But this Joker made me laugh so many times, I mean when he wasn't being terrifying. And of course it helped that each voice actor, not just Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill, just did such a great job. That show really did earn every accolade and award it got.
It's kinda like how The Spectacular Spider-Man was influenced in some areas by the Sam Raimi movies.
Meanwhile, commissioner Gordon certainly had a more fleshed out role in the 2 dimensional world, I don't ever recall cartoon Alfred shilling for diet coke amidst all the charm, wit & humor said loyal butler is known for.
(Bonus joke: how much is Alfred's annual salary? About a Penny worth.)
And as i was already thinking about the connection between Burtons Batman and the Animated Series anyways, cause it's near christmas, Like every year...YOU wonderful people upload this cool analysis. :* love ya!
It's always funny to me how big budget superhero movies get follow up cartoons and a lot of times the cartoons are so much better
Both the movies and the Animated Series are really good.
No Ace Ventura Cartoon The mask Cartoon Beethoven cartoon all suck men in black cartoon sucks
Beetle juice and Back to the future might be an exception
Ghost Busters and Bill and Ted were Canon to the films since it the actors voices from the films
@@Ian-hj4yt Oh how. Glad to see you also liking B:TAS and DCAU stuff
Some of the villains appeared in the later movies even after their non canon appearance in the series. I mean the Riddler, Two-Face, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy and Bane. If the Burton movies had more sequels, they would’ve had Harley Quinn, Scarecrow, Killer Croc, Baby Doll and Clayface.
Tim Burton's Batman movies & BTAS are still the best versions of the character 👊
I have high hopes for The Batman, but for the time being, I'm inclined to agree (although I do really like TDK).
So far, yeah
What's rather fascinating about the Burton films is how they essentially grafted many of the pulp/noir/expressionist influences that were present in the earliest Finger/Kane version of Batman.
The homage to something like Nosferatu in Batman Retuens is very much a parallel to the types of material that influenced the 1939 Batman.
I always felt that Batman and Penguin should be like Eliot Ness and Al Capone from the Untouchables
Yes!
@@blakemcnamara9105 what a wasted opportunity
Movie or TV show Untouchables?
I just wish they had made TAS batman look more like burton's batman with the white eyes added. Not only would he looked cooler but a LOT more intimidating too!
I always heard that WBs had an in-house orchestra, not that the production hired one because they had a large budget
I was very young when Batman came out so the movie didn't really speak to me. But there was an episode of Tiny Toons spin-off, The Plucky Duck Show, about the upcoming Batman Returns that finally piqued my interest in the character. I started watching the Animated Series and I liked it but it wasn't until I finally saw Batman Returns that I became a fan. I really liked The Penguin as a lecherous bird guy with a gang of circus performers. And I absolutely loved the S&M fantasy of Catwoman who taught me what kind of woman I wanted to grow up to be.
I still enjoy Batman stuff, from the animated home video movies to the Arkham games but from a strictly visual standpoint, the Burton films are my gold standard.
I miss James’ more nasally impression of Bruce Timm
Me too
I was kinda hoping he would do it when I asked but noooo
Perhaps he's hoping that by not poking fun at his voice they'll stand a better chance at getting him on the channel someday? Admittedly, that would make sense, even if it's less fun in the meantime.
@@Deoxys911 I always imagined that when we approach Timm, he would say something like, "Ohhh it's you guys. Okay, fine. Let's just get this over with."
@@Ted-Kendrick or he'll tell you that he'll do it 50 years from now, whenever now is 🤣
Loved this video. Has cool Cinemassacre's vibes with a cool, chill and engaging talk. No offense to the others in the channel, they put so much hard work on it, but sometimes it gets too over the top. This is more up my alley. Just my two cents! Keep up the great work!
Informative as always, guys! I have to say, what's so ironic about the relationship between the Burton universe and the Timmverse are that many of the rumors around Keaton returning seem to include a Batman Beyond movie/HBO Max series, an idea pioneered originally within the DCAU. Thereby, while the Burton movies influenced much of the stylistic choices in B:TAS, it seems the DCAU may well guide the future of Burton's/Schumacher's(?) universe!
Batman 1989 is my favorite movie of all time and Batman Returns is my favorite Batman movie of all time and The animated Batman really is the pinnacle of my childhood.
Batman 89 fits so well with the animated intro. If tweaked oh so small it’d be form fitted just like the Batsuit. Crazy how close and perfect it is already.
when I was a pre-teen, I was at the bowling alley with my local league, this one kid had an axe to grind with me. I started playing Marvel VS Capcom at an arcade machine with a friend and just as it hit the character select loading screen, that kid snuck up behind and tried to put me in a standing choke hold, I didn't wanna waste my 50$ on the game so I did the back of the hand batman punch right over my shoulder into his face and he ran off like a little bitch, he tried to jump me outside of the bowling alley while I was waiting for my mom to come pick me up but some adult broke up the fight. To this day I still can't believe the batman punch actually worked on someone XD
I always love the cutaways to the old Batman commercials mixed into your videos, reminds me of the good ol' days
It's kinda funny, I feel like as Batman progessed in the DCEU and they seperated thenselved more from Burton, I feel like he became more Keaton like.
I very much love both Burton Batman films and feel people are normally too harsh on Batman Returns. That said I listened to a podcast where they did deep dives into the different versions of the script. The shooting script by Daniel Waters matches Bruce Timm’s description perfectly.
People often talk about Keaton actually requesting less dialogue which is rare for actors and most frame it as an example of Keaton’s clear understanding of his version of the character. Which I’m sure plays into it but hearing some of the cut Batman lines from Batman Returns tells me it may have been Keaton simply recognizing a lot of this dialog was terrible.
Not really, both movies are appreciated.
This series will always be a part of my childhood. Always. ❤
Great video.
It's a little disappointing to hear Timm and Dini throw some shade on the Burton films, and I do like to think that these films had more influence on the animated series than they care to admit, but I also appreciate that a lot of the statements made by fans over the years (like how Roland Daggett was originally meant to be Max Shreck) are apocryphal (another one, unrelated to TAS, is that Max Shreck was originally planned to be Harvey Dent, but this has been debunked by Batman Returns' screenwriter, Daniel Waters).
They've admitted being inspired plenty by certain things in Burton's movies but WB forced them to use certain character designs and such which they didn't want to do.
@@gavindennis9988 surprised they weren't forced to use the burton batsuit design.
@@projekttaku1 Well I know that at the time, and with the aesthetic, using black probably wouldn't have worked.
@@gavindennis9988 oh yeah...I guess your right. (would've been cool to see it somewhere tho, like maybe in JL or JLU so it flows better into BB).
Is it just me, or does the dad in that commercial look like Kevin Conroy? The hair and the shirt and the face he makes.
SHIR-LEY WAL-KER (read as BTAS: The Adventures of Batman and Robin intro)
BTAS was really the first animated series that took itself as something more than just a funny little show for kids, I liked Tiny Toons, but that was something for kids that adults could enjoy too. BTAS was for adults, but it family friendly too, and it respected its audience. Thank You.
The 90s animation industry sure broke the "only for kids" cartoon ghetto well. Shame it hasn't destroyed it yet as of today.
"The Simpsons" predate BTAS as a cartoon more for adults.
There are also some older anime (when originally aired in Japan) like "Dragon Ball" that leaned more towards older audiences, as well.
this should be titled, the legacy of Tim Burton's Batman films, if 89 movie wasn't successful, no Batman the Animated Series, no DCAU, no other more Batman milking in the past 3 decades
not to mention people would still see batman as goofy due to adam wests batman, so no more DK trilogy. And spider-man and the x-men likely wouldn't've happened due to superhero films not being successful.
And that would mean no MCU, which would intern mean no dceu.
And that would mean marvel probably wouldn't make a deal with netflix, so no netflix-marvel shows.
I’m so glad that I found this channel, it got me interested in the dcau and to watch the btas for the first time, thank you guys!
Fun fact: If you listen to his Fat Man on Batman podcast, it's clear that Kevin Smith actually likes the first Burton Batman film (however unfaithful it is to the source material).
However, he also clearly hates Batman Returns.
Why?
@@freeza3937
Good question
I generally like Kevin Smith and what I’ve always liked most about him is how he’s such a positive fanboy and seems to find the good in literally everything
So imagine my shock when listening to his Batman Returns commentary to realize pretty early in that he hates the film
I turned it off!
There’s enough negativity in the world without listening to that
I’ve always loved Batman Returns - very underrated film in my opinion
Returns is a wonderful homage to Expressionist Horror. And it's probably the darkest, most personal film that Tim Burton's made.
Kevin Smith's outlook strikes me as facile relative to the film. Particularly what a strong work it is as an outgrowth and homage to Silent Expressionism.
As far as how faithful Burton's Batman is, there are many connections -- in tone, theme and direct content -- with the original Bill Finger/Kane Batman, which was very much crafted as a character in noir/horror-like world. A number of sequences from the first film are directly taken from panels in those early works, including Batman's penchant for killing.
Returns feels like a logical extension of those comics, with parallel tableau that also functions as intertext to films like The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, Metropolis and M. (Just as the first Burton Batman has strong ties to such sources, along with films such as House of Wax, Touch of Evil and even Vertigo)
I love that Mike's Batman is the only one who's actually damaged from seeing his parents murdered right in front of him. All the others are just angry and violent. Mike's tries to scare the bejesus out of the bad guys while Bale's came closest to that in Begins, but got to paramilitary by TDK.
I wonder how many people that loved the Burton movies turned out just fine or how many ended up writing a Batman comic or something. The writing, the art, the damn printing press, doesn't matter.
And this is how Mark Hamill's the joker was born
The best joker in my opinion.
@@starred1096, you forgot about Jack Nicholson.
This video gave me an idea: how cool would it be if they made an animated series that took place after Batman and Batman Returns? Burton could realise all the ideas he had planned and they could get Marlon Wayans to play Robin, as well as Williams, Pfeiffer and Keaton to reprise their roles if they were up for it.
Honestly, it would’ve super cool if they had made the show canonically taken place after both Batman and Batman Returns. I feel like we would’ve gotten to know about what happened to Catwoman after Batman Returns, and how does she stand with Bruce, if they done that. Also, I believe that the Joker they gave us on the animated series was either Nicholas Joker, you know back to life or somebody else.
Greetings from 40 years from now (whenever now is), that Battinson video is great.
I hope Burton is brought back to make a Batman Beyond movie as a finale to the Burton batman trilogy.
Trilogy? He has only directed too
@@Ian-hj4yt If he made another finale movie then it would be a trilogy.
@@darkwoods1954 Oh, yeah. Sorry
I always loved the gadgets Batman had in the Burton films. Amazing to know that Burton had a deep influence on the Batman mythos years after.
speaking of the batman theme by elfman, the flash that came out in 1991 had elfman do their theme and had that same tone, shirley (the lady you mentioend) also did all the rest of the music for that series too. then of course after this seires, the superman, jla and jusitlce leauge unlimited eand even batman beyond all had refrences to this
As I recall, the opening credits theme of the 1990 Flash series was used at a different tempo for the original closing credits on BTAS. But I could be wrong.
@@ohgoditshimrun1346 it was, but i just meant that you could easily tell it was done by the same composer and had the darker tone not usually associated with flash
As a young kid I grew up with the burton films, personally as a kid i thought the 89 batmobile was sick. They were some of my favorite movies growing up, and other medias like justice league and batman beyond were my first introductions to conroys batman, i owned return of the joker on vhs and loved everytime I could watch it. Recently rewatching the whole beyond series unlocked some childhood memories of scenes i remembered as a kid, some of the villians how they scared me then. But im personally happy batman was part of my early childhood and now rediscovering it in my growing adult years. It truly is timeless so much so that adults can enjoy it as much as they did when they were kids, and one day when I have a family of my own Id like to let my kids see how awesome this character is and hopefully see the same smiles batman gave me growing up😊
As someone who isn't much of a fan of Burton's Batman, I'll still give it that Elfman's score is one of most defining for any character in pop-culture. So much so they reused it for the first seasons of BTAS, itself one of the best Batman interpretations imo.
You aren’t a fan of burton’s batman just because he kills right ?
@@Mohamadtheman That and I generally find him a shallower version of my idea of Batman from the comics and defining adaptations like BTAS or the Arkham series. His inner psyche is barely explored and Bruce Wayne side is like a cardboard cutout. And he comes off more like an edgy, broody 80s action hero with a motivation to ultimately avenge his parents when he confronts Joker (his parents killer).
@@themadtitan7603
To me him being a killer is a plus if he only killed bad guys he’s still a hero to me even a better hero at that
I think that the first instance of Batman using the grappling gun was on TDKR.More specifically during the fair scene on Hunt The Dark Knight.
unpopular opinion: catwoman from TNBA look much more like the burton movie catwoman than the catwoman from TAS
I think that is more of a fact
@@dcauwatchtower yes and I would have like an episode/comics explaining the creation of the iceberg lounge and how the penguin got to change his body appearance
@@thebunkerparodie6368 I’m thinking plastic surgery and he had cash which he parlayed into investing in a club.
Okay, but wouldn't you say that *Selina Kyle* from TAS looks more like Michelle Pfeiffer than Selina Kyle from TNBA?
@@GregOrCreg yes but at the same time the suit is verry different from the one of the movie
I might be wrong about this, but Batman's parents' deaths being connected to one of his villains and not just a random thug / Joe Chill was I believe started by this movie, and has been a pretty commonly used backstory for many Batman adaptations since, including Nolan Batman and Gotham.
It was almost used for BTAS too! A script that never made it to air...that we have a copy of! Will be doing a radio play version of it eventually...
Both Batman '89 and Mask of the Phantasm made Joker responsible for Bruce becoming Batman (even though the animated movie didn't make him the killer of Bruce's parents).
I couldn't imagine Burton's Catwoman working outside the film, but that will always be the Catwoman story in my mind. I honestly love Batman Returns and need to rewatch it to see if it's just nostalgia or not.
Oddly enough the "Mama's boy" quality of the Penguin was enacted in "Gotham".
This was some really interesting info about btas that I personally never knew also the new intro is great!
Why does it feel like we don't get to see enough of Ted??? He presents so well.
Thanks! I’ll be on at least once a month for the near future. I’ve got about 5 video essays currently in the writing stages.
You forgot to mention that in "On leather wings" an excerpt of Danny Elfman's theme is heard when Batman is breaking into Pharmaceuticals
He mentioned that the Elfman theme was used sparingly throughout BTAS, which would cover that.
It's worth noting that the Batmobile having a jet turbine in the back and a turntable in the Batcave to turn it around were both things that originated on the 1966 Batman series with Adam West. (And honestly, Tim Burton was more familiar with the '66 series than he was with the Batman comics).
Sadly though, neither Batman '89 nor BTAS ever saw fit to give us the Batmobile Parachute Pickup Van.
finally, someone brought this up. I've always wondered about this, thank you.
In an episode the Joker's real name is revealed as Jack Napier,
The same name he has in the movie
Same universe?
@@GregOrCreg it's likely,
But I think later they turned it into they're own thing
Yes. This was brought up in the video. In a later episode, they say it was one of a number of aliases. We don’t know his actual real name.
Burton's Batman also provided the inspiration for Batman: The Ride at Six Flags.
0:18 Danny Elfman used to look like Cletus Kasady
2nd video of yours I have watched...watching more later.
I love everything top to bottom from the 'Burtonverse', I saw '89 the day it came out (the day after I graduated high school) after reading the novelisation and comic adaptation (iirc) - I was onboard starting with the announcement of Tim Burton, Danny Elfman, Jack Nicholson, annd Michael Keaton after have seen him in Gung-Ho a comedy with semi-serious undertones and the dark drama Clean and Sober (comedians can have the most intense dramatic turns like Robin Williams in The World According to Garp and One-Hour Photo).
excellent video! well researched and presented. I'm old as dirt so I remember seeing the Burton film when it came out. my favorite moment was when the batwing flew up in front of the full moon. the whole theater erupted in applause.
22:59 I actually got the Batmobile and the Penguin car. Though I don’t know what happened to the Penguin car... I’ll I remember is that the umbrella at the front spins when you move the car
"Let's talk about the Batmobile! But first..."
Kid: "Look, the Batmobile!"
Personal Brain cannon about hal jorden in the alternate time line in (justice league the once and future thing) is him takeing john stewarts place as a founding member of the justice league sence that makes the most sense
02:54 Bruce Timm sounds like a cool guy 😅👌
I love how the theme is also similar
@17:00, The reason Batman does not make eye contact with Vicky Vale and is monotone, is that he does not want her to recognize that he's Bruce Wayne.
The was some Beautiful stuff,Great!The Animated cartoon also used the 1989/Returns theme music.
i grew up with batman the animated series and it was my introduction to batman its a realy good series
BTAS where my awesome childhood started and I'm so happy this is part of my childhood
The Penguin from the animated series, to me, calls back to the Adam West series Penguin.
Only the second design
Great video but why are you guys reading Timm and Dini so over the top? I’ve heard both speak many times and actually met Dini at an event where we spoke for a long time. Neither of them speak like this, even when they are excited. Nitpicky I know, but it was the one thing that stood out to me in a less than flattering way.
It’s just how we read things ;) Not trying to do impressions of either of them.
Oddly enough, now that you explained the connection between the first two Tim Burton Batman films and their relationship with BTAS in other aspects, would it be possible to do a future episode discussing the possible influence of another Tim Burton film, "Big Fish," having on the JLU epilogue?
I'm sure neither Bruce Timm nor Dwayne McDuffie had seen or even lifted elements of it for Epilogue, but the similarities are striking in some aspects, particularly the strained relationship between father and son and the former's past exploit and subsequent introspection leads to the son figure making amends and repairing said relationship in the process.
Again, it probably has nothing to do with either Terry or Bruce, but I figured you guys would perhaps be interested if there's some possible influence of Big Fish on Epilogue for a short video feature that you could do, perhaps.
Even though Epilogue ruins Terry McGinnis as a character in some way by being related to Bruce Wayne through some weird genetic experimentation to ensure the Batman legacy still leaves on, it's still a great JLU episode in it's own right and I liked Will Friedle's acting in that a lot, so there's that. Sorry, but I never really liked that idea to be the de facto origin story for the Batman Beyond lead character, who's better off not being explicitly related to Bruce, but that's just my view on things.
I may get some heat for saying that, but I make a choice to acknowledge it as a cool alternate timeline story and nothing else. It cheapens Terry somewhat to have him be related to Bruce Wayne and destroys the notion that anyone can ultimately become Batman with the right training and will to carry on that legacy, in my opinion at least.
Now, in regards to the video, I knew the connection between the Burton films in terms of the design of certain characters and so on, but this one just about covered up anything else I need to know. Good work, guys, keep it up!
Wow thanks for the video I learned so much .
Catwoman: The Animated Series is something I'd check out. It's too bad it never happened.
Batman! Batman! BATMAN! CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT KIND OF A WORLD WE LIVE IN WHERE A GUY DRESSES UP AS A BAT!?! ITS ALL OVER THE PRESS! THIS TOWN NEEDS AN ENEMA! 😂
Feed the algorithm...
Great video and I finally subscribed, but I do hope that this kind of static-filled audio we get for Ted's main segment doesn't pop up again in another video, especially when the editing and the rest of the audio outside of the main talking head is so slick.
Welcome! Yeah, working on it for next time. Noise in Ted’s house required me to CRANK the denoise filters.
@@dcauwatchtower ah good to know! I'm beginning a sound mix edit right now on a project so I know how difficult it can be sometimes.
Something I notice about the Burton films that a lot of people forget is that it takes a lot of influences from the golden age version of Batman: Batman kills, Joker has an origin, Joker goes on tv, Bruce Wayne is less of a playboy and more of a weirdo celebrity, It’s all there. But people just ignore that and like to call it a bad Batman movie, usually quoting HiTop Films in the process. I like the guy’s videos but he really dropped the ball on that one
Very good point.
The Burton films run with the idea of adapting the Kane/Finger 1939 version of the character.
There's something absurd about condemning that. Not to mention just how inaccurate such a stance is relative to the character's history.
Growing up with both the movies and show I really liked on how despite being in different universes they share a lot in common with how they both respectively did it's characters and elements which helped set them both apart from other Batman series even to this day. The theme music being used for both really cemented it for me in that opinion. Which is why I didn't like how in TNBA and later on in the DCAU Batman and the other Gotham characters seemed to lose a lot of that type of aesthetic it shared with the Burton movies, making them feel a little more generic in many areas. Could be me being a bit bias given that I also enjoy a lot of Burton's work but still it was among the many things I didn't like what TNBA changed other then how they made certain characters like Batman feel more cold then one would expect out of him for no reason which makes the team behind the DCAU's hot take on the Burton movies feel pretty ironic in that regard.
I also have to be honest I still don't get how the Burton Batman movies get criticisms for doing different takes on the Batman mythos when movies like the MCU Spider-Man movie that actually had drastic changes that are on the same level if not more so then the Burton Batman movies yet somehow they don't get as much.
But the batwing was in the original old comics. It was just a bat shaped helicopter rather than a high tech jet, later turning into a bat shaped propeller plane
It would be cool if Tim Burton would do his movies as a cartoon series. I'd get behind that!
Basically that it was nothing like the 60s show and movie.
The main thing the animated series took from the movie was keeping Gotham's universe an old gangster 1940s style . All the villans use tommy guns and revolvers and Batman technology is 80 years advanced than everyone else giving him the edge.
"Low profile tires"
*Jason didn't like that*
You guys should do a video on DCAU Batman ideas that were used on the Nolanverse
I mean, if there is any
There are a few similarities! Particularly with the Scarecrow. I almost had an outro on this video that listed a few BTAS influences on the Nolan films, but it was cut for time, and honestly, it could hold its own as a separate video.
This channel so dope! I’ll click on anything Batman now
love the new intro
Batman tas took a ton of its tone from the 1970s batman comics from denny o neil and steve engleheart runs a ton of the stories were adapted for it due to it being the stripped down to the basics batman comics.
Absolutely! I had a chunk of my script initially dedicated to the 70s writers like Denny O’Neil and Len Wein who also influenced BTAS, but we cut it for time to focus solely on Burton.
Ted Kendrick i understand i was a little shocked they werent mentioned
I just read the 70’s comics recently. I was shocked at how many of those comics were directly adapted into the show. Even the werewolf episode was based on an early 70’s comic.
Jalen Johnson yep that was the best batman era imo, batman was a mortal man with weaknesses more or less sherlock holmes in a unitard. Plus i hate how high tech they keep making him.
@@ScrotieJohnson I’m making my way through the Detective Comics and Batman comics for the first time. I’m in the early 80’s right now. It’s interesting how quickly the whole Detective angle gets dropped. I feel like it was present in the early 70’s, but by the late 70’s it’s not really there anymore. I liked Gerry Conway’s run in the early 80’s though.
Just wondering would you ever look at the DC Animated stuff out side of the continuity you normally cover? like Brave and the Bold etc nd if not who else does those shows in this deep a look?
in regards to TAS I have seen that clips from TAS can be used to make trailers for all 4 movies. You can also use clips from the 4 movies to make trailer for the Adam West series.
in regards to Batman 's best features I really get up set if there is a a bat man with no grapple gun, who uses normal guns, hs no museum in the Batcave and if it changes the origin story of any of the characters. I was also put off by TS for including characters like Manbat and Clay Face who don't fit in with the past versions of Batman but I came to like them and I was disappointed that characters like King Tut and Book Worm never got to be in TAS
No channels that we know of, but we do occasionally talk about other shows and movies.
And that’s why we don’t have a penguin origin in the DCAU?
I looked at #BatmanReturns last night greatest Christmas ever... still holds up today...🦇🦇🦇🦇
Lol I grew up with them and knew they where connected the opening score is like the movie not mention his bat suit and bat mobile
Bruce Timm is a bit hilarious when he says such serious stuff and feels so offended by certain things. XD
Not so much getting annoyed with how much the show loomed over their show but other stuff.
Nice video
Let’s have this again but for Matt Reeves’ Batman films if they ever do an animated show that’s closely to his version of Batman👀🤞🏻
Look out for the upcoming “Batman: Caped Crusader” animated series from Bruce Timm and Matt Reeves!
Good video