Magnificent Counterpoint in the Finale of Mozart's Jupiter Symphony

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  • @Richard.Atkinson
    @Richard.Atkinson  8 ปีที่แล้ว +310

    Correction: an inversion is the VERTICAL reflection of the original music (for mathematics purists out there). I meant that it is reflected over the horizontal (x) axis.

    • @Cat-hw1vh
      @Cat-hw1vh 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I blame Baron Von Sweiten for all of this!! ;-)

    • @johnbeaton1076
      @johnbeaton1076 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      And there...quite clearly you have shown the link between mathematics and music.....beautiful!

    • @PzKpfw
      @PzKpfw 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      As a mathematician -- don't worry 'bout it!!! beautiful video!!

    • @George040270
      @George040270 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What is the point of all this anyway?

    • @George040270
      @George040270 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That's fine if you want to write music like an algebraic equation.

  • @superchaserbr
    @superchaserbr ปีที่แล้ว +9

    "It is my profound conviction that Mozart is the highest, the culminating point which beauty has reached in the sphere of music. Nobody has made me cry and thrill with joy, sensing my proximity to something that we call the ideal, in the way that he has…. In Mozart I love everything because we love everything in a person whom we truly love" (Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky)
    I totally agree with him.

  • @octavianrofrano3351
    @octavianrofrano3351 5 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    This is not music. This is another dimension altogether. Mr Atkinson has helped us understand better this timeless masterpiece. Thank you for your extraordinarily lucid and clear contrapuntal analysis.

  • @abelstypewriters
    @abelstypewriters 4 ปีที่แล้ว +202

    This is the only way I want to listen to classical music now. With a color coded score and you explaining wtf is going on.

    • @lrx54
      @lrx54 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂

    • @kumo-kun1831
      @kumo-kun1831 ปีที่แล้ว

      So true! Especially fugue or developmental section where different parts and motives collide together, visual representation can really show the voice we ignored ❤

  • @paulburns1896
    @paulburns1896 6 ปีที่แล้ว +144

    An excellent analysis demonstrating Mozart's brilliant grasp of contrapuntal/fugal composition. If only he'd lived another 20 or 30 years!

  • @Radian1978
    @Radian1978 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I had the pleasure of attending a live performance a few weeks back. In the last movement I was in tears, the amount of joy and internal satisfaction was hard to describe... it's as if the music connected straight to my soul. I drove home in silence as if I were coming off a high. Music really is amazing!!

    • @sarahjones-jf4pr
      @sarahjones-jf4pr ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Radian1978 So well put ...I remember going to a beethoven performance of the concertgebouw orchestra and came out in a surreal state of floating on air, as far as the classics are concerned my adoration and appreciation has been unsurpassed to this day, I never spend a day without it at some point lighting up the bleakest of days, plus the fact I was brought up with Maestros Bernstein and Karajan so not a hope of not loving the classic repertoire! Best Wishes.

  • @Awesomeknight7
    @Awesomeknight7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I still believe that Mozart's 41st Symphony is the single best piece of classical music ever written!! Thanks for the clarity on Mozart's amazing grasp of contrapuntal/fugal composition and magnificent counterpoint in the finale! This piece of music is simply out of this world!

    • @Warstub
      @Warstub ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's pretty great, one of the greats, but I still consider Beethoven's 5th the greatest for the share power and form breaking he does in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th movements. I think the 1st movement will always be a work of genius in showing how much can be wrought from just one idea, but those last two movements are amazing moments of development in classical music altogether while sustaining an amazing sense of listenable music. Overall, I feel like Beethoven's 5th is structurally so damn tight that it shows the composer at work while presenting beautiful and groundbreaking music worth listening to.
      But don't get me wrong, I still love Mozart the most!
      ❤🎵🎶😍

  • @john-patrickdickson9663
    @john-patrickdickson9663 6 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    The color delineation of the passages (the analysis) discussed must have taken many hours
    And is sensational, I have been reading scores for 60 over years, I am 89, and have never seen such a thorough job well completed.
    Now set to work and do the same for your new copyright printed edition of JS Bach’s 48 . !!!!!! I would love to relearn them
    being told with the colors what I should tell my listeners, and myself as I play. Lovely. Lovely. Have just finished
    Learning another 48 set by the Russian composer SHCHEDRIN , Bach would have been astonished, intrigued and disgusted at the same time.

    • @qweuio
      @qweuio 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      48? You mean Well-tempered Clavier?

  • @Teddy_Toto
    @Teddy_Toto 6 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    Your analysis reveals well how beautifully economical Mozart’s thematic development is. It’s astounding how Mozart produces such an incredible richness out of such economy of ideas.

    • @timothythorne9464
      @timothythorne9464 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      teddy toto Wow, just wow. Incredibly complex music, which is also enjoyable and emotionally satisfying! How. did. Mozart. accomplish. this?

    • @Ludwig1625
      @Ludwig1625 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      To quote Salieri: "Astounding! I mean it was actually unbelievable"

  • @ursin3
    @ursin3 7 ปีที่แล้ว +231

    Sorry. I'm a little overwhelmed.I remember the first time I ever heard this work. I had just recently been introduced to classical music by a college roommate, who had an extensive collection of LPs to which he was willing to let me listen. I had been utterly clueless about music in general prior to meeting him. He changed my life, as I almost immediately discovered that I am one of those happy fortunate people who is capable of being enormously moved emotionally by great music. The last movement of the Jupiter simply reduced me to a tearful joyful puddle. I have known for years that magic was going on in there but I had no way to analyze it. Mr Atkinson, you just fixed that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

    • @somewhere59
      @somewhere59 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Perhaps the finnish a capella sextett "Rajaton" ("borderless") can bring you to similar emotional sensations (as they brought to me).

    • @katrinat.3032
      @katrinat.3032 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm so glad when I read what classical music does to people!! It effects me so much too! It's a gift to be able to feel such wonderful feelings from classical music.

    • @terrybyrne4324
      @terrybyrne4324 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Don't worry about being overwhelmed. We all are. It's like being hit literally by a planet - the biggest planet in the solar system. Mozart was a musical colossus!

    • @AlexanderMcAllister
      @AlexanderMcAllister 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What a beautiful story :)

  • @einarkristjansson6812
    @einarkristjansson6812 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Hello you learned people out there. I have no formal education in music, I buy records, listen and go to concerts.This finale is a revelation to me and Atkinson's analysis tells me why. Einar, Iceland

  • @nikolalucic9501
    @nikolalucic9501 7 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    This work is a musical monument of genius and miraculous creativity for the whole human race.

  • @meckel1271
    @meckel1271 8 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    I have loved this symphony for years, but never have quite understood the "five themes" of the final movement.This is by far the most lucid explanation I have seen, and it will enhance my future understanding of this magnificent work. I will pass this on to my colleagues in the music department! Thank you, Mr. Atkinson!

    • @josepholeary3286
      @josepholeary3286 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I tried to count these 5 themes for the last 55 years and now all is clear!

    • @nameless5053
      @nameless5053 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@josepholeary3286 those 5 themes are just amazing right?

  • @DrStrangeLemon
    @DrStrangeLemon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    my God! I'm actually crying ...I knew it was a work of genius, but to be walked through it was wonderful. Thank you!!

  • @mikahkilgore4972
    @mikahkilgore4972 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I’m speechless! My brain can barely comprehend that amount of complexity, let alone keep track of it. I’ve been underestimating Mozart for years.

    • @Awesomeknight7
      @Awesomeknight7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Agreed! That is why I rank Mozart's Symphony #41 as the greatest symphony ever composed!

    • @rodneyjones1541
      @rodneyjones1541 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Underestimate Mozart at your peril!!!

    • @andrewrayment536
      @andrewrayment536 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      What was it Brahms said? "Among composers, Beethoven is the greatest. Mozart is in his own category." Or something to that effect.

  • @Ludwig1625
    @Ludwig1625 4 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    That final part is literally like an orgasm to listen to if you keep up with all the parts and appreciate how they work together, it's like listening to the kyrie double fugue in the requiem, or Bach's art of fugue.

    • @eliasmazhukin2009
      @eliasmazhukin2009 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Hi Beethoven, how do you know what an orgasm feels like if you never had shred?
      Or did you masturbate?

    • @DanielFahimi
      @DanielFahimi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@eliasmazhukin2009 What the hell is wrong with you??

    • @eliasmazhukin2009
      @eliasmazhukin2009 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@DanielFahimi Nothing, it's just me being me

    • @iguarni
      @iguarni 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      A Mankind's genius!

    • @alecrechtiene558
      @alecrechtiene558 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You mean an eargasm

  • @sillypuppy5940
    @sillypuppy5940 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Every time I hear this I think "Why can't this be longer?"

  • @ElSmusso
    @ElSmusso 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Every time I play Mozart, or look at the scores, I lose my breath... of pure joy over life and all it’s possibilities. His music is like the filaments of a leaf, it’s life’s perfection ;)

  • @stevenclarke9363
    @stevenclarke9363 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you, Mr. Atkinson! I'm looking forward to watching all of your posts!

  • @davidlecuyer1367
    @davidlecuyer1367 6 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Incredible! I am slowly starting to realise how great of a composer Mozart is. When I thought no composer had ever come close to match Bach's contrapuntal genius. Thank you for this wonderful analysis.

    • @DeflatingAtheism
      @DeflatingAtheism 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I love the counterpoint in the double concertos... two contrapuntal lines in dialogue with each other, by turns condensing and elaborating on what the other says!

    • @nameless5053
      @nameless5053 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DeflatingAtheism I love the part of 13:30 to the end, especially those 5 themes playing simultaneously

    • @armandssurins3364
      @armandssurins3364 ปีที่แล้ว

      12:35 -> 13:30 !

  • @draugami
    @draugami 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I have always enjoyed this symphony. But your analysis has made me understand its intricacies. Thank you so much.

  • @ergleburgle8882
    @ergleburgle8882 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For me, the most genuinely magnificent thing about this is the sheer effortlessness of it all. Any idiot can write mathematically pleasing, contrapuntal music... But to pull it off with such joyous panache, such inevitably, not a single note wasted, not a single note too few or too many, absolute emotional satisfaction, to leave absolutely no sensation of the meticulous calculations that went into its construction... THAT'S the glory of Mozart.

  • @yuezhang273
    @yuezhang273 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The power of this stunning ending passage just made me want to cry each time when I listened since I've heard it first time in my age of 11 years old. The music reminds me of God.

  • @mdelaubergine8930
    @mdelaubergine8930 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent analysis. The architecture of this movement is beyond brilliant. Astounding.

  • @ssvemuri
    @ssvemuri ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mind blowing. The artistic technique lies in making all these transformations of themes and their inversions and yet make it appealing to the musical palette

  • @enricochestri
    @enricochestri 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Magnificent analysis of the superb architecture of a music that can only be defined as being simply divine!!! Mozart equals Bach in mastering counterpoint and fugal structure. I was really moved to the heart.

  • @lardyify
    @lardyify 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Genius. Mozart could do anything! I can listen to that music hundreds of times and it never becomes stale. There is always a new harmony or combination of notes to delight me no matter how many times I hear it.

  • @cubanbach
    @cubanbach 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    NIRVANA, Richard, NIRVANA! I cannot thank you enough for this lucid, insightful and at once, simple analysis of my favorite Mozart Symphony's crowning movement!

  • @themattressbuyerguide
    @themattressbuyerguide 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    An otherworldly explanation and narrative of Mozart's unfathomable brilliance. I feel enlightened after watching this piece. In fact, I was compelled to watch it three times to understand it. A great sleight of hand trick or an illusion, once explained, cannot be appreciated twice. Not so with Mozart's work. You only want to keep marveling at it, to keep listening, called to it again and again.

  • @einarkristjansson6812
    @einarkristjansson6812 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dear Richard, this finale is a revelation to me. I am not musically educated and you have deepened my understanding of this great work. Thank you dearly. Einar, Reykjavik Iceland.

  • @rnnyhoff
    @rnnyhoff 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another five years, for that matter another year of life for Wolfgang Amadeus, just what would he have come up with in musical composition. Thank you for a peerless analysis and description of what you aptly describe as one of the most thrilling final movements to any symphony ever conceived. BRAVO!

  • @Rigpasword
    @Rigpasword 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hearing and now seeing the transcendent genius of Mozart in this magnificent movement while knowing the suffering he endured in the last years of his life, only brings tears - tears of deep respect and gratitude. Thank you Richard for helping make Wolfgang's genius visible.

  • @murrayeaston2359
    @murrayeaston2359 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There are more ideas (not to mention expressions of transcendental feeling!) in this one movement than in most musical artists careers. Not a slight to the latter but rather appreciation of the gift that is Mozart's music. Truly awesome.

  • @brianbernstein3826
    @brianbernstein3826 6 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    the first three themes are really just one theme though, a third interval. the first theme C D F E spans a third interval, we hear the F as a suspension. theme 2 is B A G, G F E, E D C all thirds, same with the transposed inversion Mozart uses later E F# G#, A B C, C D E). theme 3 is two third intervals E F# G, A B C. theme 4 does look like the first truly different one here, but if you look close at the two descending tetrachords, it's basically theme 2 in disguise. the fifth theme is indeed different. thank you so much for all your wonderful videos I truly enjoy them! youtube desperately needs more of this

    • @replyhere590
      @replyhere590 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Brian Bernstein I like your analysis as well as Richards's. Though I cannot claim to understand all, it generally reminds me of some of that "other" Bernstein's analyses--mind-bending and intensely interesting. I grew up admiring him, even more now; he did have a fairly unique talent for adjusting the levels of his presentations, while never coming off as simplistic or condescending. Check out his 1960 video which included Glenn Gould and Igor Stravinsky, among others.
      Your comment about deception makes me wonder if WAM intended that as Easter eggs. I've always been told the man had a huge sense of humor. Doesn't the contemporary estimate of his IQ come in at something well over 200?

    • @brianbernstein3826
      @brianbernstein3826 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mozart's humor pervades much of his work, and certainly his letters. As to his IQ, not really sure what tools they had to measure it back then. I certainly cannot lay claim to how Mozart approached this composition, and designing the five themes covered in the video. I can only analyze the themes and see their commonalities etc

    • @Sam-tj9np
      @Sam-tj9np 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thirds are basically "cheating" in invertible counterpoint.... You can always double a voice by thirds (as long as another voice isn't already). The green theme is basically just the orange theme in thirds, the yellow theme is the blue theme in thirds. That's why i dont consider this to be all that impressive in terms of invertible counterpoint; that and the fact that with exception of the orange theme, the other themes are boring melodically (in both shape and interesting leaps).

  • @petercallomon9681
    @petercallomon9681 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    unbelievable that someone under the age of 36 could conceive of putting such a complicated mathematical piece of music together like this. I have heard people poh poh mozart as being easy to play. Well, they are wrong and verge on the side of simplicity when the opposite is the case. Thanks for this analysis, made even easier to understand with your highlighting.

  • @mikezinn7212
    @mikezinn7212 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Listened to this gem for 45 years and never realized the 5 themes or the remarkable counterpoint between them. Thank you for an added great Mozart enlightenment!

  • @davidbruce7244
    @davidbruce7244 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As a pianist I have rediscovered Mozart. I find it just absolutely wonderful. It just sounds so effortless. I know his last piano sonata is the contrapuntal one, and perhaps his most admired, but for now I enjoy playing some of the earlier ones (K311 and 332). Thank you so much for this analysis. It is amazing how such a listenable piece is yet so complex. It also reminds me a lot of Mendelssohn, who also for me has a similarly beautiful fluid motion - perhaps it is all the semi-quaver sections in the strings that enter in stretto like ways!

  • @beckylink
    @beckylink 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is fantastic!!! Thank you so much for taking the time to do this video. This movement is the greatest piece of Western music of all time, for me. It sends me off to impossibly high realms. Herr Mozart, we salute you. God IN you!! For He opened the gates of Heaven on this one.

  • @MrDaejoiscool
    @MrDaejoiscool 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Man, oh man, that's fantastic, Richard. A tour de force on your part...

  • @leslieallen9140
    @leslieallen9140 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am a very late blooming amateur cellist in a terrific community college orchestra, and frankly, the least skilled player in the lot. I have been a professional abstract oil painter and mentor for decades, and studied law and literary criticism along the way, always with music in my ears. This analysis was by far the best I've experienced in any of the other disciplines, and the visual presentation and calming delivery was so welcome to my senses that I finally grasped what seemed impossibly inaccessible to me, up to now. Many thanks.

  • @guinnessflachmeier2007
    @guinnessflachmeier2007 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am playing this in my Youth Orchestra as a 17-year-old. Our concert is 1 month away.
    I am just now realizing the amazing counterpoint behind this symphony. As a cellist, this piece is soooo difficult, but I really enjoy playing it during rehearsals because when everybody comes in at the right time (which admittedly is not very often), it sounds like Magic.

  • @mariaashot5648
    @mariaashot5648 8 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Thank you for your immense contribution to the preservation and deeper understanding of the absolute pinnacles of our Civilization, Richard Atkinson. I will always turn first to anything about Mozart, but of course the other great composers you consider are a delight to study, as well. Bravissimo!

  • @RaymondDoerr
    @RaymondDoerr 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Putting five themes together at once and making it easy and pleasant to listen to...Now that is mastery of the craft of writing classical music. Well done Mozart!

  • @edzielinski
    @edzielinski 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow - as a person just beginning music theory, but many years of appreciating classical music, this is and incredibly lucid and well presented analysis of the piece. Thank you Richard!

  • @jesusmanriquezsantana1590
    @jesusmanriquezsantana1590 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    It is incredible that Mozart composed his best symphony and one of the best in all history in just 16 days. A true god of music

    • @Warstub
      @Warstub ปีที่แล้ว

      To be fair, this whole section is a paraphrase of one of Michael Haydn's symphonies, so he did at least have a partial model to work from. 16 days is still impressive, but Mozart, like a lot of composers of his time, were used to writing music quickly and could pump out something for others to play relatively fast. I think it was Mozart's genius that made what he did write - even quickly - to be both complex in its arrangement, simple in ideas, but so enjoyable and exciting to listen to.

  • @edgardocrespo3840
    @edgardocrespo3840 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    After listening to screming electric guitars and synthesized music, which I have to admit, was part of it in my youth, this is very pleasing and refreshing to the ear.

  • @barbaratrehy4742
    @barbaratrehy4742 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Richard, what a gift you have given to those of us who know and love this symphony, esp. the last movement, but don't know why we are hearing the magic that we are. I too, like ursin3 below, am overwhelmed, and grateful beyond measure for this enlargement of my very existence, let alone the movement. Thank you so much.

  • @atanaskrastev4491
    @atanaskrastev4491 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fun fact, Mozart wrote the 39th, 40th and 41st in quick succession and it's believed none were played in Mozart's lifetime. So much of Vienna's love for their most beloved son.

  • @MW-Horn
    @MW-Horn 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm embarrassed that I am so late to the party in discovering this channel. A wonderful and clear analysis. Well and delightfully done!

  • @tamed4171
    @tamed4171 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember we watched this in our composition class in high-school to help inspire and inform us about fugue and counterpoint. At my high-school, there was another teacher who had the last name Atkinson, and she wasn't very good at her job, to the point where her students hated and mocked her. When our teacher for our class showed us this, my immature students started hollering and yelling because they saw the name "Atkinson", and it really pissed me off that they weren't paying attention, especially since I knew how genius this video was.

  • @kimweonill
    @kimweonill 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am translating a book on great composers from English to Korean and I am here to figure out what the author was saying specifically about this movement as the contrapuntal culmination of Mozart's music. And I couldn't be more grateful for your hard work. It really enlightened me. Thank you very much.

  • @rsbolin
    @rsbolin ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have watched this many, many times. It is wonderful to see and listen to your interpretations.

  • @KENBECKERART
    @KENBECKERART 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Truly puts the “color” in “color commentary! (I genuinely could not resist - I regret nothing! NOTHING!)
    But seriously, Thanks Richard - you have been (and continue to be) the music teacher for whom I would have selected “Music Appreciation” as my elective class in school.

  • @kirillpolyanskiy886
    @kirillpolyanskiy886 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for this! I have always been jealous of Mozart's ingenuity and when playing this piece a few years back before watching this video and getting to know the symphony more, I felt quite overwhelmed. This shows how beautifully simple yet complicated and lighthearted such a dense piece of music can be.

  • @politicalriff4412
    @politicalriff4412 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I always loved this movement. Now I know why. Thank you for enriching my appreciation of this masterpiece.

  • @thom6746
    @thom6746 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is such a magnificent piece. When I hear this, I get a feeling of transcendence and uplift. Thanks for the analysis.

  • @emtube9298
    @emtube9298 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    And now, thanks to your wonderful analysis, Haydn's remarks written to Franz Rott become much more understandable: "If only I could impress Mozart's inimitable works on the soul of every friend of music, and the souls of high personages in particular, as deeply, with the same musical understanding and with the same deep feeling, as I understand and feel them, the nations would vie with each other to possess such a jewel." Thank you for these deep insights into this divine work of art!

  • @MMendelG
    @MMendelG 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you. After having heard the 41st so many times, this adds such depth to my perception of its beauty!

    • @heterosectional
      @heterosectional 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      This guy is great. Love the colors to describe what's going on.

  • @jeffryphillipsburns
    @jeffryphillipsburns 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’ve long thought this the greatest symphonic movement ever written, not because of its contrapuntal complexity (as explained in this video) but because of its translucent expressive directness and apparent inevitability. This is the music of Apollo.

  • @gabharri910
    @gabharri910 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I didn't know a timpani part with two notes could sound so great! Gotta love classical music. Excellent explaination!

    • @ThyAxeman
      @ThyAxeman 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gabriel Harrison I love how timpani and horns/trumpets play exactly the same lines in the end, giving a real sense of "epic" and "scale" to the whole orchestra.
      The analysis is just perfect, no other words to describe.

    • @DeflatingAtheism
      @DeflatingAtheism 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Percussion was idiomatically used as an "exclamation point" in Classical music, and of course, the tympani were typically tuned to the tonic and dominant to emphasize those two most important harmonies. I believe Beethoven's 9th was the first use of percussion as "free" instruments, and of course Mahler further liberated the percussion section, and then Messiaen...

  • @josepholeary3286
    @josepholeary3286 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wonderful analysis; the contrapuntal climax in the coda is breath-taking. Mozart the symphonist went out with a bang. Lots of Bach study behind it.

  • @nmlehar
    @nmlehar 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was so cool! Thank you so much for taking the time to share!

  • @stpd1957
    @stpd1957 8 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Hi Richard. This is a highly informative and hugely enjoyable video. It helps me to understand why I LOVE this movement so much.

  • @AndreasMartinLaute
    @AndreasMartinLaute 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm coming back here over and over again. Thanks so much for your analysis!

  • @donnaterkildsen7211
    @donnaterkildsen7211 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    could you imagine how much more extraordinary music we would have enjoyed, had he lived longer....thank you for this analysis!

    • @superchaserbr
      @superchaserbr ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mozart's early demise was arguably one of the greatest tragedies in the history of music.

  • @jr2kewl
    @jr2kewl 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mr. Atkinson, your analyses are marvelous! Thank you for publishing this and all of your other studies of the literature!.

  • @dpol123
    @dpol123 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Richard, I have watched this a number of times. your patient analysis is wonderful to behold. thanks for taking the time to reveal a little bit of what has bewitched us for so many years!

  • @stevehinnenkamp5625
    @stevehinnenkamp5625 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for a brilliant analysis, sir. Your color codes provided an excellent guide to remarkable ability of Mozart to weave them into this amazing finale without sounding scholarly. That of course is magic. There are a few questions asked by unexpected entrances in unusual entrances in remote keys. Mozart makes the question mark then sound logical with wit, nobility, humanity and a sense of joy, exuberance to launch the human spirit.
    Thank you, sir, for adding to our love of Jupiter Symphony.

  • @sallymj8957
    @sallymj8957 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow, that was a spellbinding treat of a lesson! When you explain each part, and show the color coded part as the music plays, I can see it, and understand it to a degree I have not with other explanations. Bravo!

  • @terrybyrne4324
    @terrybyrne4324 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent & engaging dissection of Mozart's most thorough treatment of a symphonic movement

  • @iama8537
    @iama8537 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    All your videos are so interesting. Thank you so much!

  • @drtmuir
    @drtmuir 7 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    Who disliked this? Someone who dislikes Mozart? Counterpoint? Lucid musical analyses? 😂

    • @JimEadon
      @JimEadon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Salieri?

    • @katrinat.3032
      @katrinat.3032 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@JimEadon Haha good answer 😉

    • @dbkfrogkaty1
      @dbkfrogkaty1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@JimEadon LOL!

  • @googleuser1512
    @googleuser1512 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brilliant Richard, your presentation gave me a greater appreciation for this symphony, thank you.

  • @fuffy442
    @fuffy442 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Fabulous work, Richard. This is the first video of yours that I've seen. I will now proceed to watch all of them!

  • @Lastzestyperson
    @Lastzestyperson 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Richard, beautifully done. Bravo! If only such technology existed so many years ago when I was studying music composition. I remember using yellow, green, red, and light blue "Hiliters" to structure a very similar analysis. As a composer, myself, I constantly return to Mozart, Bach, Beethoven, and Father Handel to reboot my mindspace and enter "Receive" mode for the music that inevitably follows. I recommend you for an honorary doctorate for making these masterpieces so accessible.

  • @rizzochuenringe669
    @rizzochuenringe669 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm familiar with almost all the music examples you display, but I've never heared them so intensively. Thrilling!

  • @MrTrackman100
    @MrTrackman100 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Incomparable genius! Thanks so much for raising our level of appreciation of this masterpiece. (Mozart---Einstein?--
    The greater genius?)

  • @jr2kewl
    @jr2kewl 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonderful! I was not much into Mozart until I heard (many, MANY years ago) a public radio program on this very symphony. It (that program) lifted the scales from my eyes but YOUR analysis of the Jupiter 4th movement put the flesh upon the bones of my earlier enlightenment. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for posting this!

  • @rgh1986aka199
    @rgh1986aka199 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Listening with your commentary made it very interesting and satisfying. Thank you Richard.

  • @suesmith2183
    @suesmith2183 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great work here!! I've studied Musicology and couldn't do this better (well, not now; I've lost my skills from non-use). This is Mozart's greatest achievement in my opinion. And it demonstrates that a masterpiece is seldom, if ever, recognized on a first, second or third hearing - but when musicians and scholars put it under the microscope as this gifted analyst has!!

  • @CharlesAustin
    @CharlesAustin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    An eye/ear opener.. thank you.. deeply appreciated by this Mozart fan..!!

  • @danielforro-forrotronics3921
    @danielforro-forrotronics3921 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good analysis. As a composer who likes to write fugues, and whose favorite compositional challenge is to made some works just from three-four-five notes melodic segment, I would add this: when we focus on something which can be called " micromotifs", the shortest elements/intervallic segments of motifs, this can be found:
    - Theme 1 - C-D-F-E - is like an essence of European music since the Gregorian chant. Such melodic shape is called "cambiata", and it is beautifully balanced in interval directions. BTW, it appears in diverse forms in other movements of this symphony - first movement is based on C-D-G-F (symmetric pattern +2, +5, -2), menuet uses B-C-E-D (C major, +1, +4, -2), G#-A-C-B (A minor, symmetric +1, +3, -1) and D#-E-C#-D (symmetric +1, -3, +1). This one in the finale uses intervals 1, 2 and 3 (by number of halftones - pattern +2, +3, -1). Let's see it differently and even more focused - divided to two pairs of notes: ascending second and descending second. This will play an important role later.
    - "Gray theme" is not so unimportant as probably you think, it is clearly connected to the first theme and derived from it when we analyze its intervallic structure. Maybe on some subliminal level but definitely there is a link. I see descending seconds A-G (bar 5-6) and F-E (bar 7), and descending tetrachord (bars 6+8) in the end is used in bars 9-12, 18, 30-31 and in Theme 2, also in fugato theme in bars 39-40, in vle+vclli+cb bar 54, in the third bar of Theme 4 and elsewhere. Ascending tetrachord is in vlni in bar 27, in vle 47-49, and we can see a link to ascending hexachord creating Theme 3. Let's not forget to mention a chromatic compression of tetrachord F#-G-G#-A in bars 80-82, and B-C-C#-D in bars 84-87, which clearly is in the relation as well as similar descending chromatic passages later in the work.
    - Vle+Vclli+Cb whole notes F-E in bars 5-6 are the same as vlni bars 3-4. There's a descending second D-C in bar 7, and all four notes in bars 5-7 create descending tetrachord.
    - Vlni in bar 8 - two descending tetrachords.
    - Vle+Vclli+Cb in bars 22-24 play free inversion of Theme 2!
    - Descending seconds appear in woodwinds in bars 9-10 and 11-12.
    We can find much more relations of such short motivic segments in various shapes between all movements, when we analyze them in such small units and on the base of intervals and its directions. Such analysis of the basic "machine code" shows very well how a great composer like Mozart could work very efficiently and in minimalistic way with motifs, which is essentially important because works composed in this way show a great level of consistence and unity, but in the same time enough diversity, so it is not boring. Mozart was a master of this balance between unity and diversity.

    • @caterscarrots3407
      @caterscarrots3407 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      And the gray motif is an instance of the Fate Motif, which is found in lots of pieces from Bach onwards, especially in minor keys, but Mozart uses it in this C Major symphony in both the first and last movements in interestingly, the opposite order in which it appears in Beethoven’s Fifth. In Beethoven’s Fifth, the first movement has the repeated notes form of the motif and the last movement has the scale version of the motif. In Mozart’s Jupiter Symphony, the first movement has the scale form of the motif and the last movement has the repeated notes form of the motif.

  • @angelamalek
    @angelamalek 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mozart opened his soul to divine inspiration, the music of angels! Thank you for putting this wonderful presentation together!

  • @Ivan_1791
    @Ivan_1791 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Incredible that after around 12 years studying music and listening it everyday for hours I can't still follow all the themes of the 5 part counterpoint.

  • @Kije.Jekyll
    @Kije.Jekyll 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don't know if I want to cry because I want to quit composition hearing that, or just because it is absolutely sublime and transcendant... maybe the two.

  • @satchmo1991
    @satchmo1991 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Incredible! Thank you so much for the work you put into this. This is really invaluable for a musician of any study.

  • @Nathan-tg4gu
    @Nathan-tg4gu 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've probably listened to this movement a couple hundred times by now (just because I love it so much!) and I still haven't picked up all the details you mentioned here. It's so densely packed with energy. Every time I play Mozart it feels less textbook and more free. He somehow found a way to turn the style of such a strict era into boundless expression, to which I can only respond with admiration.

  • @bookstuart
    @bookstuart 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent work Richard. Thank you for the colour dimension to reading scores.

  • @HAEngel-cr5gp
    @HAEngel-cr5gp 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Superb analysis. Mr. Atkinson, my hat is off to you for sharing your brilliance with us all. Thank God for Mozart, and for persons like you.

  • @masteroftheflyingyoutube
    @masteroftheflyingyoutube 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you, thank you, thank you. I come back to this video again and again, when trying to explain to my children the magnificence of this symphony.

  • @airwug1
    @airwug1 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not a musician, though my two brothers are wind instrumentalists (tuba and bassoon). Appreciated the analysis of this incredible symphony! Thank you for illuminating Mozart;s genius.

  • @smguy7
    @smguy7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for this marvellous video. I am sharing it on Facebook and encouraging my friends to look at it even if they can't read music.

  • @JaySuryavanshiMusic
    @JaySuryavanshiMusic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It requires a different kind of genius for composing such a masterpiece. Mozart was that genius!
    Loved your in-depth analysis, Richard. I can now pay attention to the small details that Mozart has written.
    👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
    Thank you!
    🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

  • @jorgevalentino6407
    @jorgevalentino6407 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for this. Whilst I love baroque counterpoint, I haven't given much thought about the same for music from the classical era (mainly because I fail to relate to the mood of the music of the times e.g. Haydn's music and Mozart's). Can't thank you enough as your analysis has provided me a new found appreciation for music from the classical period, the intricacies, etc. The final interplay between all the themes at the end of this piece is just mind blowing! Cheers!

  • @m.calloway2624
    @m.calloway2624 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your analysis very much deepened my understanding, experience and enjoyment of this piece. Mozart put his work together so smoothly and effortlessly, that its depth and complexities can easily zoom by under-recognized. Thank you so much for this post.

  • @coolmuso6108
    @coolmuso6108 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This has always been one of my most favourite movements of any piece of classical music and this amazing video just made me appreciate it even more. I also think this is one of the many reasons why many people say they ‘dislike’ or don’t appreciate classical music. It really does require you to listen, but even that sometimes isn’t enough. This is why I think it’s always important to introduce people to basic musical concepts and provide them with a brief overview of the context of the music so that they know what they’re listening to - particularly in fugues. Most people would try to find the ‘main melody,’ but there are other more interesting things happening which makes it all the more exciting.

    • @daliussamenas3486
      @daliussamenas3486 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      cool muso

    • @josepholeary3286
      @josepholeary3286 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm eternally grateful to Sir Donald Tovey whom I devoured when I was 16. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tovey

  • @jmitterii2
    @jmitterii2 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This entire movement feels like an ending finale that just keeps getting better and better.
    And when you think it's just going to do the typical ending, it does something amazing.
    Remember hearing just a portion of it the first time a small audio clip. I thought it was the ending portion of the movement. When I finally got a download of the entire movement back in '98 or '99 (remember dial up?) I realized it as just the first section of the piece. Then the ending, I didn't know anything about fugue, so I remember thinking: you can do this with music? It sounds like like an infinite wall of interchanging melodies that compliment each other, not a bunch of noise but like a buffet that you can hop your ear around to which ever melody or stand back and listen to them together.
    Since then, I'm always hoping for a finale that goes even longer with this fugue awesomeness.
    Ode to Joy's fugue is pretty cool. I wish a Swedish orchestra that performed a Zelda medley would have done a fugue of as many themes as possible at the end.
    It's like all time exists at once. Something amazing and special.
    With today's composition software, it probably helps a lot to make such things.
    The ending sounds like the making of a fugue but it's not :(
    th-cam.com/video/YrpWBgB6oz8/w-d-xo.html

  • @ramesh0785
    @ramesh0785 7 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    so impressive work. thank you very much.

    • @johncook2971
      @johncook2971 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ramesh Rai If I may join your thank you, I would like to add that people(composers ) could get all there techniques of 3 or 4 or 5 part harmonies, counterpoint overlaps correctly done but don't know if it would sound as beautiful as Mozart, J.S,Bach, and sons, Beethoven (to keep the list short) or for me as elegant as Mozart. He's been a favorite of mine since I happened on his music. thank you for posting, and Ramesh Rai, thanks for the space and uplifting Thank you of your own. all smiles

  • @eladpeleg745
    @eladpeleg745 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like this movement so much! Mozart manages all the structural brilliance of Bach but transcends him by making it so full of excitement and emotion!

  •  6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Spectacular analysis of this spectacular music. Some 25 years ago I discovered and fell in love with this symphony, but after haven't listened to it closely. Your analysis is eye-opening and I will be using it to re-discover this movement from a different point of view - thanks!