Chapter 16: The Chamber of Secrets | Chamber of Secrets
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- Join J and Ben as they dive into Chapter 16 of the Chamber of Secrets and discuss various coincidences, Ron’s wand, Ginny’s almost confession, teachers escorting, Gilderoy’s “help”, Harry’s genuine skill, Myrtle’s death story, down the slide, Parseltongue, and the fancy door.
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*Magical historian discovers the resurrection stone and brings back Slytherin.
"Why did you build the Chamber of Secrets?"
"The Chamber of what? You mean my vivarium? Oh dear, I hope Godric remembered to feed Princess Slithers. She gets rather cranky when she's hungry."
Princess Slithers is amazing, because the Fantastic Beasts book says male Basilisks have a red crest on their heads. So this Basilisk is absolutely female 😂
@@loopylinguist7716 Okay, I LOVE THIS, because basiliks in Russian is vasilisk, and the most common princess name in Russian fairytales is Vasilisa!!!
Ron actually didn't tell his mom about his broken wand because he presumed she would refuse to get him a new one. It was just Ron thinking like a 12-year-old that his parents would be vindictive over him misbehaving.
Came here to say this
I think that it was more guilt and shame than anything else. He lost the car, humiliated his father, needlessly risked his own life and broke the law. Asking his mother to buy him a wand (or even mentioning that it was damaged) was too shameful for Ron to consider.
Fortunately, helping rescue Ginny was enough to wipe the slate clean.
I agree. If Molly or Arthur had found out about the wand they would’ve immediately got him a new one (even if it was second hand, just like his current one). I thought they had brought this idea up before actually, and they seem to have forgotten talking about because it’s not necessarily a ‘convenient plot hole’ if you just understand that Ron never told his parents about the broken wand.
Which is really sad actually, because for how loving and wonderful Molly is, I can see how her reaction towards the Weasley boys after they initially rescue Harry would act as a deterrent for Ron asking for anything from her. She yells at her sons for, what was it, 20+ minutes? and then has them outside doing chores the rest of the day.
We see Molly as this supportive, motherly, do-anything-for-her-kids parent that would have 100% gotten Ron a new wand. But Ron most likely sees the fiercely overprotective, sent-him-a-howler, poor woman who doesn't even remember that he hated corned beef sandwiches his first trip to Hogwarts. Ron saw a mom who neither couldn't nor wouldn't help him.
I agree. It even says it in the book.
It’s the second time Harry uses Expelliarmus. The first is on Valentine’s day against Malfoy, who had taken the diary.
Yeah, they were just discussing it a few weeks ago lol
Also, I think this is pretty significant because this may foreshadow how Harry gains control over the death stick because he physically disarms Draco before his battle against Voldemort.
Hermione tore the page out and wrote "pipes" on it in case she got petrified. She went to the library because Harry had literally just heard the voice, so she knew it was active at that moment. She also told Penelope to use a mirror. She totally knew she might get attacked and wanted to make sure the information got to somebody if she was
Yeah that's always what I assumed. She totally knew there was a chance she'd never get back, but at least using the mirror she knew she'd stay alive. The whole mandrake thing was public knowledge at that point.
Uh yeah. They covered this already.. did you even listen?
I also think Madame Pince announced the library was closing either due to the game or that they just found Ginny. So Hermione was in a rush to take the info so she ripped out the page (because she couldn't check it out) and wrote down pipes because she had a brain wave. Penelope was also in the library and they left together which Pince locked up, and took the mirror out and bam.
@@UnfazedPhoenixplease be kind
Library being closed makes sense. Imagine being a smart third-year Ravenclaw, also trying to figure out what's going on, going to the library just like a minute after Hermione, finding the right beast book.... And the Bassie page is missing! As if the Heir doesn't want the students to find out the information... Conspiracy theory activated. I SO want to see a theory episode from this point of view
Ron hates divination, but he's so perceptive he sort of seems like he has a talent for it.
Huh. Who’d have thought?
@@briangruenewald7536 Wonder if he gets that from Molly, since she seems to have a similar perception.
Favorite moment of this chapter is when McGonagall sends a burn Lockhart's way: "Your skills after all are legendary".
And, as they say in How I met your mother: "Do you know what legendary means? It means not real"
Because last week was the Aragog chapter I thought about why spiders are so afraid of the basilisk. My theory: they can't close their eyes and they don't have enough legs to cover their eyes and still run away 🤣
I THOUGHT THIS WHEN I WAS A KID, IT JUST MADE SENSE TO ME THAT SPIDERS HAD SO MANY EYES. QED.
Makes sense to me. Spiders are particularly vulnerable to an enemy that kills you just by you looking at them.
@@retinapeg1846 lol, me as a kid who hates spiders: spiders, the most disgusting things, flee, because only the instant-killing Basilisk is worse than them, thus stealing the spotlight and the status of the most dangerous being
I think the reason Riddle uses the death of Myrtle to make a horcruxe is because it is his first kill as the Heir of Slytherin. It was an important moment to him. It was proof to the world the there was an Heir and they are capable of killing. He was proud of doing "Slytherin's work"
All the books, except for 1 & 3 have chapters that coincide with the title. To wit:
1. PS: N/A
2. CoS: chapter 16
3. PoA: N/A
4. GoF: chapter 16
5. OotP: chapter 5
6. HBP: chapter 9
7. DH: chapter 22 (Note: "Xenophilius Lovegood" is chapter 20)
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@@listinglazily No problem! Glad you liked it.
Myrtle didn't start her ghost hood at the school. She was brought to the school years after her death because she was harassing old schoolmates in their houses. So I think by the time she got to the school, her death was old news and nobody cared enough to ask.
Yes, it was probably twenty-five years later that she started to haunt the toilet
That is just completely false lmao 😂
@@UnfazedPhoenix No, it's not. Sixth book Myrtle talks about how she harassed Olive Hornby and her other bullies for years. She even showed up at Olive's brother's wedding and ruined it. She only stopped because formal complaints were made to the Ministry and so she went back to haunt where she had died.
There is also a line from Myrtle that “it took them hours to find my body, I know I waited.” And after that she did haunt her bullies at their houses and at the wedding until the ministry got involved and she was restricted from doing such. But I think she began her ghostly existence in the bathroom. There may have been a gap because she doesn’t remember seeing the snake leave and she isn’t able to identify the boy in the bathroom with her. but still.
Petition for therapy for students, ghosts and mistreated elves
Memory trick for Ben to remember Olive Hornby - Picture Myrtle wearing olive colored horn rimmed glasses 🤓
Why is this exactly how I remember it? 😂
About Ron's broken wand, even though wands choose the wizard, you can use wands that haven't chose you. (Ron's wand is a hand me down after all) After the slug incident there should have been a line about Ron using some basic temp wand until the end of the year, with his damaged one kept in his dorm. Then, when they go to confront Lockart, Ron accidentally grabs his busted wand. Seems like that would make more sense narrative wise while still allowing the Lockhart to Obliviate himself later.
I think Harry actually uses Expelliarmus against Draco in the corridor to get Riddle’s diary back
They literally said it themselves in the podcast of that chapter and they have already forgotten😂😂😂😂
XD lmfao. Heir of Slytherin gettin' in on that two factor authentication. XD
😂😂 now that you say it like that....
I always thought that after Hermione realized what the monster was and then worked out how it was getting around she then realized that she was pretty much alone in the castle and was an easy target. That's why she tore the page out, as a sort of failsafe. It's granting her a ton of credit and foresight but it's definitely not out of character.
I love how Ben not only is analyzing Harry Potter, but J.K. and how she writes, the tips he could get for her. I`m a fellow writer, and yeah, I learned a lot of the craft too from her.
And I`m a spanish speaker, soooo, sorry for mistakes in my english.
On current evidence, you're doing great! 😊
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Actually, I think Harry & Ron could still figure out the eyes even without getting the info from Hermione - because they specifically want to ask Myrtle HOW she died. And Myrtle says, essentially, “I saw the eyes and I died” - they might have questioned it more, if they didn’t already know it was a basilisk, but Myrtle would have likely been insulted and insisted no, she doesn’t remember being attacked she just saw the eyes and died. So they’d be warned. They may not be 100% sure, but I can absolutely see the conclusion “let’s not look it in the eyes, just in case” even if they think it’s hypnotizing or something.
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I mean to be fair a ghost escorting the kids would probably be better, the staff wouldn’t be much good with the basilisk either, at least if the students see the basilisk through professor binns then they wouldn’t die instantly😂
Every book except the first and third has a title chapter.
came here to say this too
You’d think philosophers stone would have a title chapter.
@@jeremytung1632 i die indeed
Hermione probably heard the snake coming and realized she will be killed unless she uses a mirror to petrify herself. She tore the page and wrote in it because she knew she won't get to tell them herself.
The mirror was for Penelope do you even listen?
I appreciate that you pointed out how strange it is that Harry and Ron didn't tell the teachers about the basilisk when they had the chance and were already *planning* to do so. And that they suddenly trusted Lockhart for the first time all year. I wrote a story a while back pointing that out, and the response from a sizable minority of readers was very hostile, so it's good to get an outside opinion on it.
Their strat was probably just using Lockhart as a meatshield. Feed the Basilisk while they quietly slip away with Ginny. Why else would they send him down there after throwing his wand out the window? 2 birds killed with 1 stone.
@@cubedmelons876 at this point, who wouldn't want to throw Lockhart to Bassie? And Umbridge for dessert.
I really hope someone in the office is keeping track of every time they say "this would be a good piece of trivia" so at the end of all the books they can make a quiz with everything they ever said that to
The thing about the sorting ceremony is- I think that’s just tradition. Because by the prologue, it’s certainly not impossible to talk about it. Harry has the conversation with his son Albus before Albus gets onto the train.
I think, since Rowling went to school for Classics, the 'beam' of the Basilisks' eye is a reference to ideas about vision in antiquity. The Roman poet Lucretius talks about people being able to see because they shoot light out of our eyes, and when it bounces off something and back into our eyes, we see the bounced-back light.
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What’s funny tho is if you play the Lego Harry Potter video game, the Basilisk does have laser beams shoot out of its eyes 😂, but yeah this is probably the true answer
Now I can't help but imagine how Bassie is in The British Museum and is instructed to turn off the beams (like no flash photos for humans)
Good video as always, can't wait for next week for the name reveal. I hope you bring up Tom 'Elvis' Jedusor.
Now I have a question for you two, apologies for the length. Do you believe the founders, in addition to their objects (Sword, Locket, Diadem, and Cup) and possible secret rooms (Headmaster's room, Chamber of Secrets, Room of Requirement, and Kitchen) that each founder made an object/item to help them with running the school?
For instance, we all know the Sorting Hat is Gordic's hat and honestly, it was probably his idea. What are the chances that Helga made the Quill of Acceptance and Rowena made the Book of Admittance? And following that logic, I like to think that Salazar made the living armor. Seems on brand for him to focus on defending the school. Plus, the Basilisk is his pet and presumably the last line of defense for Hogwarts. What better way to support it in combat than with allies that it can't petrify?
Riddle had Ginny write the additional message because he knew from what she had told him that Harry is a Parselmouth and would seek out the Chamber to rescue her.
Thank you guys and everyone who works so hard to put this all together, I really enjoy listening to this podcast weekly.
I never had an issue with Myrtle’s death being linked to Voldemort’s second Horcrux - the diary. The way I see it is that Voldemort, like Harry, viewed Hogwarts as a paramount aspect of who he was and what his aspirations would be. That said, at that point Tom already killed Marvolo Gaunt/Tom Riddle Sr (I tend to think it was the later which he used to transform the ring into a Horcrux) and with that event he separated himself from those which he viewed as inferior. However, the Riddles and Gaunts are inescapable aspects of his identity (his magic superiority that he got from the Gaunts and the incapacity for love that he received from being born from what was a loveless action); combined these aspects define his identity. So, although a year prior, he tried to fully embrace his Gaunt side (Ring Horcrux), he knew that something wasn’t really right. Therefore, for his next Horcrux, he chose something that perfectly aligned with who he truly was. An ordinary muggle diary that was secretly imbedded with great power that emphasizes wizard superiority, just as he is a halfblood descendent of Slytherin. Even his victim, Myrtle was the perfect fit for this, as a muggleborn standing in the way of The Chamber of Secrets she (unintentionally) served as an obstruction to Voldemort’s ideals, identity, and ego.
Funny, I thought I was the only one to notice Snape reaction to Ginny gone missing. Glad someone else picked up on that as well.
It’s occurred to me that even if Dumbledore asked Myrtle how she died, he wouldn’t be able to do anything besides close the bathroom because he couldn’t open the chamber, like he could’ve done more to make sure students didn’t go in there if he did know but as far as stopping the monster he can’t really do much
But he seems to not know the monster is a Basilisk, if he had the info about the eyes, the roosters, the petrifications and the spiders you'd think he would work out what the monster was.
I have a feeling that anyone who asked Myrtle never got an answer, she only shared it with Harry because she liked him.
- You answered your own question re Percy wanting Ginny's seat. He was trying to separate Ginny from Harry & Ron so she wouldn't tell them about his girlfriend, because that's what he thought she wanted to talk to them about.
- Hermione would have Reparoed the book when she got done showing the page to Harry and Ron.
- When Myrtle died and faced the choice of moving on or haunting Olive, I expect that Myrtle didn't know or didn't think about the fact that she'd be stuck as a ghost literally forever.
That can’t be true. He doesn’t know she was about to tell them something until Ron tells him.
@@blairkilgallon8741 maybe just brotherly instincts to keep your little sister away from the guy who will later sleep with her 🤭
10:59 Honestly, in defense of Mr and Mrs weasley didn't the book say that Ron didn't send a letter to her?
I remember him saying "Could you imagine what she would say 'It's your own fault your wand got snapped.'"
I always took it as him being the over looked child and thinking his mom would just blame him and not replace his wand and not try to help.
Kind of like the corned beef sandwiches he doesn't like them but he was still packed them in the first book. It seems like this is Ron insecurity thinking more that his parents may not care about him than his parents replacing his broken wand.
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It's weird that none of the professors wrote to them that Ron didn't have a wand
I believe Lockhart is the reason that the Weasleys actually spent the 700 hundred gallons on the Egypt trip. Stay with me, he made each Hogwarts student buy 7 of his books which I believe lead to the Weasleys to go into severe debt. The 700 hundred gallons got them out of debt and then I feel it was more like 300 after that, which makes more sense to me than 700 being gone In one trip.
lol I think you are onto something here, like maybe not lockhart but I think the weasleys used the 700 galleons to get on track with stuff they needed to buy a while ago and Ron is just a kid and doesn't understand finances. Like the problem with the "700 galleon on a trip to egypt" is that we are taking Ron's word for granted
Not just the books. Also the fine from Harry and Ron stealing the car.
@@cubedmelons876 I do have a more complete theory for all the details, I just didn’t write it because I didn’t want it to sound too long winded
Also for Ginny since she almost died a few weeks prior. Although they should have asked Harry to come with them since he saved her. But Dumbledore would have eluded to them that Harry was required to stay at the Dursleys for reasons.
Jay and Ben: Nobody has seen it.
Four people, a ghost and a cat: ......
Do you listen to anything? Myrtle says she just saw eyes and died. The cat can't talk. Anyone else petrified would literally just see eyes. They wouldn't see the rest of what the beast was.
@@UnfazedPhoenix They eyes are a part of the creature. To see the eyes you also have to see the basilisk. Not to mention, it's a joke.
I feel like dumbldore would have asked her but the only really thing she knows about her death is she saw yellow eyes by the sink. Even had dumbledore found the serpent mark what would have that done for him? He isn't a parcletounge to open the chamber and he already knew riddle was the one opening it. Dumbledore knowing what myrtle saw at her death might not have changed much. Yellow eyes doesn't exactly equal monster eyes.
Dumbledore: Yellow eyes hmm? I see, now it all makes sense, the heir of Slytherin is A Sith. Someone call HeadMaster Yoda, we must speak at once.”
@@JayRodriguez31 my point was more in a world of magic uncommon eye colors wouldn't be nearly as uncommon especially with people like Nymphadora being able to change there appearance without spells.
It's more likely that people asked Myrtle but she never told anyone the specifics, until Harry comes along whom she happens to like.
I think Hermione wrote “pipes”, ripped out the page, and brought it with her on the chance that she might get attacked on the way back to the boys. She always had that kind of forethought. “We’re about to get caught by the snatchers. What if we escape?🤔☝️😃I’ll shove the bottomless bag down my sock”.
Do you think if they asked/needed the Room of Requirements to give them an entrance to the Chamber of Secrets, it would give them one?
Halloween is a traumatic day for Harry . His parents were murdered , he was orphaned , and banished to the Dursleys . I don't have a problem with him recalling events of any Halloween .
And plus he had to fight a troll and got falsely accused of murdering a cat. Halloween is just a cursed day for Harry.
@@cubedmelons876 He should talk with Laurie Strode sometime
So maybe the wardrobe in the teachers area formed a boggart after Harry and Ron, cause when they were there, they received the worst possible news. In there one of their worst fears came true and maybe that's how the boggarts are "born" or "form" :)
I don't agree that Dumbledore never asked myrtle, the book never implies no one before Harry asked her how she died, but Dumbledore probably jusy couldn't find/see the entrance due to him not being able to speak woth snakes
Not to mention Dumbledore doesn't seem like a man who would enter girls' bathroom
Or the fact the Myrtle might not have told him anything.
I always assumed Harry was exaggerating about how far they went down. Like it just took longer than he thought it would to go down
I thought this was to Make a parallel to the first book - isn't there The exactly same phrase, and they also discussed it at length then?
Good job Ron didn’t logically hold on to Lockhart’s wand so that he had a working wand aye😂
It was a rookie mistake. But Ron learned from it. That's what I love about the characters in Harry Potter. They all feel very human because they make mistakes, pay the cost, evolve, and learn from them.
@@mistv901 no i mean it’s literally a good thing, if Ron kept it then Lockhart would’ve taken that and successfully wiped their memories.
@@jordy9096 This is true.
(Pushes up glasses) Well actually, Cyclops’ optic blasts are concussive, not heat-based.
All critiquing aside, I love this episode as much as all the others (which is to say, very much)!
23:33 I love McGonagall being so sweet about this because it really shows her sweet emotional side. McGonagall is always so stern and strict, but she’s still human, and this is proof. We love you Minnie 💙💙💙🦅🦅
I wish they gave Lockhart the job of patrolling the dungeons because if the chamber is there it's going to be in the one the bottom of the castle lol.
he used Expelliarmus on Draco when the dwarf sung his eyes are as green as a fresh pickled toad
*reads the title*
"Roll Credits"
My fan theory is that Lockhart is not good at memory charms; he just has no subtlety with it. Where professional obliviators are slightly modifying memories to only remove an event and leave them foggy about the time surrounding it, Lockhart seems to be just aiming to reset his targets to default factory settings. An appropriate analogy might be that where rival marksmen are trying to get a bullseye with a rifle, he has brought a punt gun to the firing range.
Riddle didn't think that he was the only one to ever "enter" the Room of Requirements. He thought he was the only one who "unlocked it secret": that it's always there consistently and not just use it and forget about it.
The twins "found it" and they didn't think much of it untill Harry showed it to them.
Harry used expeliarmus before: on Malfoy when he is holding the diary.
So I’m now rereading the series as well while listening to y’all. And I noticed something that I don’t know if y’all have covered from the first book yet. When Harry gets his wand from Olivander, the wand maker reveals that the wand’s brother gave Harry his scar. Does this mean that Olivander knew that Tom Riddle was Voldemort?
Ben seems to be relating "obliviate" to the word "obliterate;" rather, it's supposed to remind us of the word "oblivious." I think the fact that Lockhart yelled it is largely irrelevant. He was good at the spell, for sure, but that doesn't make yelling it more effective; and obliviators aren't "destroying" stuff, but rather making people "oblivious," as it were. That's why people's memories can technically come back, as in the case of Bertha Jorkins.
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Jim Dale's "what were you doing percy?" Is actually fantastic
They should name the book "Harry Potter and the chamber of coincidences" lol
You would think Dumbledore would be able to find the chamber in the 50 years he is Headmaster.after we see he can find Riddle's magical traces in the cave.
Omg thank you!
The difference is - the cave was just a cave that had one enchanted wall. No matter how subtle the traces of magic - they would be the equivalent of a car flashing long lights in the middle of the darkest night.
Hogwarts was BUILT with magic. Traces of ancient magic are literally on every single wall and item. Also, in order to enter the chamber you still need to be a parsel mouth. Wihch... do we even know a single person that isn't from Slytherin's bloodline who has that ability? When Tom writes his message he doesn't write "her body will lie in the chamber until you get it out" - it says "forever", because as far as we are aware Tom is the only wizard currently alive with that ability. Harry can only do that because Tom is a part of him, and later Ron does it by remembering the sound phonetically after hearing Harry doing it over and over again. So yeah even if they knew where it was, Dumbledore could exclusively use that toilet for the rest of his life, and he would still not be able to get inside
I’ve always pictured Snape having a soft spot just for Ginny because of her resemblance to Lily
I’d like to imagine that those who were petrified still had a consciousness, like in Dr. Stone how Senku managed to stay conscious for all those years by counting. Imagine Hermione just going over what might be on the exams over and over in her head.
Hermoine absolutely had the forethought that she could be attacked. That was why she had the paper. There was very large possibility that she could get attacked before she got that information to anyone else. So she kept the paper in her hand just in case she couldn't tell anyone.
I just noticed, that there is something else, the broke wand is good for - from a storytelling perspective:
It introduces us to the concept of spell backfirering. Which will be - as we all know - be kinda crucial to the plott later on in the series...
The diary definitely was Riddle’s first Horcrux. As you said. He opened the Chamber in his fifth year, but he didn’t murder his father and grandparents - and take possession of the ring - until the summer before his seventh year. So when he asks Slughorn about Horcuxes, he’s already made two.
I can forgive them never asking Myrtle how she died. All the teachers probably thought she was annoying, too.
What I can’t forgive is never having the Bloody Baron or Sir Nicholas help search the school for the chamber. They can go through walls. They would have found it in an afternoon. A couple days, tops.
The Chamber likely has protective enchantments over it (similar to the Fidelius Charm) that prevent it from being entered/located without specifically going through the entrance.
@@ToaCody1 so the ghosts bump into some weird invisible wall that mysteriously won’t let them through…hmmm…wonder what could be behind it? Surely the headmaster would still want to know about that.
@@bubblehulk7647 It's not a bad idea, but I still don't think it would work. The Chamber is very low under the lake so the ghosts probably wouldn't even go there.
And as for the invisible wall, I don't think magic in HP works like that - think of Hermione's bag, and the Ministry cars - magic in HP does the 'bigger on the inside' thing and so it's very possible the Chamber can take up no real physical space, but by entering through a proper entry you get to be in this huge space.
@@hoppingwren fair enough, but even Myrtle would have accidentally found it at some point, just by getting bored and floating down the drain in her own bathroom. She can only watch prefects getting naked for SO LONG before she wants to do something else, or during the summer when there’s no boys to ogle.
in the German version it's "Kammer des Schreckens", which translates to "chambre of terror"
and in my house we had a basement room which got stuffed full with garbage by my father's hoarding problem and my family referred to it as "die Kammer des Schreckens" for years. xD
Ron (or Harry) also says "We must be miles under the school" when they go through the trap door in the first book. Word for word I think actually.
I, a J fan and proud Gryffindor,
hope the both of you know as we all delve into deeper levels of understanding about this tale, how significant it is that the two of you, the current worlds leading experts on the story, are about to present a masterclass on the most significant piece of literature since the Bible and freely offering it to people all over the world just for the love of telling the real story. As a student of your work, who has watched all of your HP content and have been through the books countless times myself, my "what if" is what if Hermione had figured out that Harry needs to die to defeat Voldemort too early. Hermione always figures it out early at the end of each book and idk why HP and the DH is any different. In this situation Hermione would come to this realization while she's thinking about destroying horcruxes. It would not be that difficult for her to piece together that the reason Harry can speak parseltongue and is having this brain connection thing with Voldemort is because a piece of Voldemort's soul is stuck to Harry's soul. However, Harry is no more a horcrux than Voldemort prime is, because there is magic you need to perform to make a horcrux that did not take place after Voldemort tries to kill Harry when he was a baby. Nonetheless, it means that Harry needs to die in order to defeat Voldemort. This "what if" would take place in book 7. I kind of imagine she realizes it around the time the trio are camping when she starts getting annoyed at Harry for going off to have visions and wondering about dreams. Which is definitely too early for Harry to know and would throw a bit of a wrench into Dumbledore's big plan so I would love to hear you guys figure out how that one plays out. Also, did having a 7 piece soul ever do anything extra as opposed to having a 6 or 8 piece soul? Because at one point Voldemort definitely made a 7 piece soul whether he knew about it or not. Thank you for taking the time to read this and wishing I could send this to you by owl. Ben you are great too! GO J!
PS. - I had to put a PS because the best letters in HP always have a PS
PPS. - You should do another video of a list of the best letters in the series.
- John
Judicial process - pensieve: we have slughorn modify a memory, dumbledore say you will find this memory of satisfactory quality. that implies memories can be influenced, and it makes sense, it's a personal memory not a single source of truth. i imagine 2 people can remember the same thing differently, or a memory can be partial even in pensieve. there is a lot of talk about veritaserum in court, but that would actually be terrifying. under veritaserum people will answer ANY question, and even the justice system allows you not to incriminate yourself or a spouse for example
It makes zero sense that a magic school wouldn't either have "school wands" the way they have school brooms, or have floo access to Ollivander's in case of wand damage.
With school wands, the y could specify they had to be handed-in at the end of class, so the final scene would still work. Ron would still have his broken wand between / after classes.
I mean wizard’s/witch’s wands don’t work the same in other wizard’s/witch’s hands the exact same way the school brooms aren’t nearly as good as the brooms that the students themselves own.
I’d say it not only makes sense, but in this case, it’s practically apples to apples.
@@neozakk_ It varies considerably depending on the wandwood, the core and the witch or wizard who has the wand's allegiance. In some extreme cases, the wand will flat out refuse to work, but in most cases, it will obey the user. The magic may be weaker and more clumsy than an ideal match, naturally.
Curiously, particularly powerful witches and wizards aren't hindered too much by this. Voldemort cast extraordinary magic with both Lucius' wand and the Elder Wand. Harry also was fine with Hermione's wand, likely because the wand recognised his relationship to its master.
@@neozakk_ Except several characters use other people's wands. Ron, and Neville among them. Keeping a set of wands with different core types for short-term use makes sense, especially in a school where things explode on the regular.
@@Cailus3542 There could be a collection of school wands with woods and cores that as a combination aren't too finicky about the user. And if it's not working at all, there are still others to choose from. And as stated, they won't be ideal, but better than a broken wand.
Fun Fact...That's literally how Ilvermorny does it...
you get your wands on the first day of school...which seems to mean that if you don't go to ilvermorny and live in america...You just...don't get a wand....ever
When i was listening to jim dale and i got to the “what were you doing percy” part i actually laughed out loud his delivery was hilarious
Hey Brothers! (And crew! You’re all great!)
I’ve been a fan of you guys for a while now. My Dad and I found your channel during the pandemic and have been enjoying it ever since. We really like your Harry Potter content, and always try to watch the new videos together. I also very much enjoy watching the J Vs Ben’s, I have to admit I tend to root for Ben just a little bit more. Plus, I also love the moments when you guys just crack each other and your staff up with your weird tangents and funny answers.
I’ve really been enjoying your Through the Griffin Door series since it has been so long since I’ve read the books. Like your dad did, my mom read most of them too me as they came out and Deathly Hallows was the longest book I had ever read on my own up to that point, so I’ve really loved getting to hear parts of the stories I haven’t for so long.
The three questions/theories I had for you guys are:
A: I know it’s a very soft and fuzzy idea that I’m sure you’ve heard before, but what if the Dursleys were actually nice to Harry and cared for him; giving him the family he needed at the time.
B: How would things have been different for Harry if was raised by his grandparents on Lily’s side. He would still end up having contact with the Dursleys, but he wouldn’t be living with them. Harry would still be protected by the Blood Protection from Lily since he would be with her parents.
C: A different twist could be that Dudley having magic would result in a reconning from Petunia and Vernon. Petunia would have to face her feelings about magic vs how much she loves her son, and Vernon would have to choose having his wife and son (whom he claims to love) or normalcy and leaving his family over hate.
From Animanda Tsuki no Usagi, a fellow TH-camr.
It's entirely possible that McGonagall knew (at least in part) of Dumbledore's Big Plan, specifically that Harry and Ron are actively investigating. It's also possible she knows some legilimency and knew Harry was lying about going to visit Hermione and about their investigation, and since it was before they knew Ginny was taken, granted them some leniency.
Hey brother, I have a theory why Percy was being so secretive about his dates with Penelope. We know he is a fifth year and at the end he gets 12 owls. According to you guys he is bound to have a time turner. So I think that he was using the time turner to get the time for the date.
So basically one Percy is in Griffindore common room studying whereas other Percy is on a date with Penelope.
He keeps it so secretive so that no Griffindore sees him first in the common room and then in some other place in the castle.
The reason to choose the dungeons is because Griffindore hates Slytherin and no Griffindore will go there.
Also thats why Penelope was inside the castle when she and Hermione got attacked. She was on a date with time turning percy
Absolutely love these!! It’s so cool to see the books in another light
It amuses me that Dumbledore knows that Ron's wand is damaged and does nothing. It would take all of ten seconds to fix it, but Dumbledore just diesn't give a toss.
Love how you two are twinning again today.
I have some thoughts on the diary as a horcrux, and why it might fit the items of importance.
The fact that it is a muggle diary is immaterial to its value. This is a record made by Tom of his deciphering of the clues left to Slytherin's heirs, the unlocking of one of the secret places of power in Hogwarts, and nature of what lays within. Of course this would have value to Voldemort, as it is tangible evidence of his greatness.
And the one slain to place part of his soul into it? The first actual kill using that very power. The ultimate punctuation to this record.
On another note, I have wondered if the basilisk did kill Myrtle, or if it petrified her and Tom... simply shattered her stony form.
I think she wrote pipes in a panic. My head canon is that she was reading and heard the snake coming. Wrote pipes tore the page out and started looking around corners with a mirror in an attempt to run away... writing pipes on the paper and bringing it with her knowing she might be petrified aswell. And that someone would read the paper and see her note of pipes to also tell them how it was moving.
I think this chapter proves that glasses protect against the basilisk's gaze, seeing as she described that feeling of her body locking up, and it was Tom that killed her after she was petrified to cover his tracks; not expecting Myrtle to return as a ghost.
Also in regards to Nagini killing Snape, she might count as Voldemort because of her being a horcrux for the purpose of magics
I'd have to double check, but I believe Harry's first use of Expelliarmus was a couple of chapters ago: around Valentine's Day, when the diary fell out of Harry's bag and Draco picked it up, I believe Harry uses Expelliarmus there. I think I remember you guys remarking on how Voldemort and Draco are both somewhat involved in both Harry's first and last times using the spell in the books - the first time, Draco is holding the diary (i.e. Voldemort), and the final time it's against Voldemort using Draco's wand.
Edit: Yep, went and checked:
‘Hand it over, Malfoy,’ said Percy sternly.
‘When I’ve had a look,’ said Malfoy, waving the diary tauntingly at Harry.
Percy said, ‘As a school Prefect -’, but Harry had lost his temper. He pulled out his wand and shouted, ‘Expelliarmus!’ and just as Snape had disarmed Lockhart, so Malfoy found the diary shooting out of his hand into the air. Ron, grinning broadly, caught it.
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While it's just a movie thing, and therefore doesn't really count, I think it's an interesting detail that we see Malfoy rip out a page of a book in Flourish and Blotts. There is no way Malfoy knows anything about the basilisk, but it's an interesting thought that this is the same page Hermione has in her hand.
Something I've always had questions about,Binns is a ghost, how does he prepare lessons? Who is flipping the pages of the book he's reading out of? How does he grade the papers the class turns in, as he can't touch them and can only look at the top one? At the end of the year,is there just a giant pile of papers from all of his classes piled on and around his desk?
would love to see a what if harry and ron talk to Mcgonagall instead of Lockhart as surely Mcgonagall doesn't let them accompany her to the chamber and she can't access the chamber without harry
Hey Brothers! Great dive into this chapter. I was a bit late today, as your podcast has become part of my Sunday morning rituals. I cant believe we are almost through the second book. Cant wait till next week.
Huh.....in every book, one of the golden trio has to split off from the other two in the final act.
In Philosopher, Ron gets knocked out and Harry and Hermione continue on, then Hermione goes back to find Ron and Harry is alone.
In Chamber, Hermione gets petrified, and Harry and Ron go into the chamber together before getting separated (this seems to be the only instance of them all being in different places in the final act).
In Prisoner, Harry and Hermione use the time turner together, leaving Ron behind in the hospital wing.
In Goblet, Ron and Hermione are both in the audience while Harry does the final task and gets sent to the graveyard.
In Phoenix, Harry is alone again during Dumbledore and Voldemort's duel while Ron and Hermione continue to fight with the Order downstairs.
In Prince, Harry leaves Ron and Hermione to defend Hogwarts while he goes with Dumbledore.
In Hallows, Harry goes into the forest alone to face Voldemort while Hermione and Ron go to the Chamber of Secrets to harvest basilisk fangs and destroy the cup.
The Basilisk only petrified her, Voldemort killed her himself
if she saw the eyes straight up as she said then she would have died, the baslisk's sight kills, it's just lucky that everyone else was petrified in the book
@@hoppingwren she was wearing glasses, thus only petrified
I look forward to these videos every Sunday thank you for launching this podcast
Everyone post the moment you’re most waiting for the boys to deep dive into. For me it’s in Prisoner when Snape sees Lupin on the Marauder’s map. It completely kills the theory that only Marauders can see Marauders on the map.
It doesn't kill it, just makes a pump in it, because Lupin was the one who opened the map and then didn't close it
The highlight of Sunday afternoons! (in the UK)
Good timing! I just finished this chapter.
after getting off work feeling a bit delirious and continuing watching this, j’s “chamber of secret. giant snake.” absolutely took me out 😂
I love the fact he has to patrol floor it seems like small piece of karma justice
Some personal anecdotes: There's a TV show here, where they make an escape room and then have two duos compete to clear it as quickly as possible. And the first part of the last episode was 'Harry Potter'-themed, King's Cross, Platform 9 3/4. I would have liked to see you two tackle that! Kind of wonder if you'd just breeze through... or you'd just hang around in the first part, looking for HP Easter eggs.
Just yesterday, we had a family occasion. I have an aunt whose grandson I saw reading 'Prisoner of Azkaban' last time we met. He's been really into 'Harry Potter'. She even got him those beans in all flavors. I immediately thought of you guys doing quizzes with the Wheel of Punishment ;)
Hey brother(s)!! Ive been listening to your content from the very beggining, when you were writing your quiz answers on real white boards! And im loving it so much, as a super serioud potterhead.
Im listening to your podcast and enjoying a lot!! Respect for the serious research every time!!
I've had many many questions and wonderings since ive listened to the audiobooks over 15 times, but heres an interesting one that i wonder of you guys had ever thought about -
In book 6, Dumbeldore comes to pick harry up from the dursleys. While he's sitting in their livingroom, telling harry about sirius's will, he mentions number 12 Grimmauld place and later mentions that its the order's headquorters!! Hes the secret keeper so you think hes basically gived the dursleys the secret? Or maybe muggles cant see or enter fidelius charm protected places anyway?...
im super curious to hear what you guys think!! ❤
I love these each week!
Perfect as always 👍
This is the PERFECT podcast for my Sunday mornings🥳
As I was listening today, I had a thought. Would someone wearing the invisibility cloak still be petrified if they came across the basilisk?
Maybe Riddle used the basilisk and the diary because it was his first time making an additional horcrux after the ring. He knew he could do it once and get away with it, but went to Slughorn to learn about making more than one. Slughorn wasn’t exactly direct with his answer of if it were possible but deduced that it was, and maybe he thought the toll on himself would be less using a proxy, and maybe wasn’t even entirely sure it would work at all so that’s why he used the diary?
Sundays are my homemade spa days and it’s the best listening to this as I do my facial, my manicure, and pedicure 💆🏻♀️🧖🏻♀️ 💅🏼
Enjoyable as always! I’m wondering if you could edit out Js yawns? They change the momentum and pace, and imply that he’s bored. Otherwise always enjoyable watch on Sundays!