Actually as annoying as Lavender is, I feel bad for her. She genuinely likes Ron but he's just using her to hurt Hermione. Says more about Ron's lack of character than anything else.
Ok so one little nitpick lol. Harry says that he tried to share the book with Ron and Hermione but Hermione didn't like the book and Ron had trouble deciphering the Prince's handwriting and Harry couldn't read him the instructions. So I don't think Ron would actually use the book in potions as effectively as Harry did.
Also: In the books it's not slughorn that hands the books over to them, instead just directs them to each take one from the school supplies. Both harry and Ron struggle for the better looking book and is Harry that ends up losing and gets the bad one (snapes old one, apparently got quite a run down cover from years of usage) Edit: This is wrongly stated by Johnathan's voiceover AND text at 2:47
I’m not 100% sold. Harry and Ron try to help each other all the time and Harry would have asked Ron for help, seen more of the book and might have asked Ron if he could look through it randomly later. Ron who doesn’t care about looking through text books would shrug, tease him some and let him. And Ron used Harry’s book in the original story and couldn’t read the handwriting very well.
@@gerstein03 yeah, and even if he could read it cause he's allowed to hold the book closer to make it out cause it's his, Harry would also have been able to read it...i don't know that Harry would have had quite the same love for it still though, idk
To be fair, the bezoar antidote was one of the first things Snape ever taught Harry in his first year, if only he remembered. Apparently he didn't write *that* down.
@@abraham2172 That's not the point. I'm saying that if he had written that information down and (here's the important part) *studied it,* he might have been able to remember later. I'm 27. I don't have my notes from middle school, but 16 years later I still know what the Pythagorean theorem is.
@@malcolm32 I understand. He was probably too confused or irritated to think of writing it down. Appart from being possibly distracted from all the new stuff. It was his first week in Hogwarts after all.
I'm not so sure Hermione would have been able to save Ron from the poisoning, though. One thing her character often lacks that Harry has in abundance is the ability to keep a clear head in dangerous situations, so I can actually see this ending rather badly.
Eh but we see in Deathly Hallows that she can formulate pretty intricate plans in a moments notice under significant pressure. She figures out how to get the trio out of xenophilius lovegoods house without revealing that Ron was with them while making sure the deatheaters see that lovegood wasn't lying or trying to set them up in order to keep him, luna and the rest of the weasleys safe. Also, she was able to get them out of bathilda bagshots house and even thinks of a credible story about gryffindors sword while being tortured by Bellatrix. So I think that criticism is a little off-base. Hermione was a walking cheatcode at all times, let's be real
@@DeadSezSo Yeah she turned superhero in Deathly Hallows when left alone and needing to look out for themselves. But before that? Not so much. I'm guessing her instinctive reaction would have been to run for help, being in the sheltered school environment and all, and that might have taken too long.
I mean she was younger then, as she got older and exposed to more danger, I'd imagine she got better at keeping her cool. I think this can be seen as early as Prisoner of Azkaban as she attempts to get Harry to understand why they can't change certain things in the moment, and pushes him to make the patronus to save himself and Sirius, not believing Harry's dad conjured it like Harry does.
I disagree. She probably would've freaked out and yelled at everyone to find a beazor while crying about how her bf was going to die, and someone would've found it.
A few people are saying that Hermione wouldn’t grab the bezoar because she tends to lose her head in stressful situations. Many of you are forgetting that she got a lot better with that, getting her own “Are you a wizard or not?” moment with Ron, quickly adapting to the situation when escaping the Ministry, dragging them into the floo, then apparating them to Grimmauld Place, then to the Forest of Dean, and then quickly applying the dittany and wrapping up Ron’s splinched arm. I think she could handle the bezoar at 16.
“Either way we successfully dodge Lavender Brown! Bravo everyone bravo!” Truer words have never been spoken and the way J said “Well done” was hilarious 😂
I actually think it’s reasonable that Harry would still know about the bezoar as an effective antidote. He was right next to Ron for the assignment, so he would have known exactly what Ron turned in for the grade. Harry does have a knack for remembering obseure things mentioned seemingly in passing. After all, he remembered the name Gregorovich three years a passing comment Krum gave to Rita Skeeter.
I really liked this What If. It's definitely an interesting one and I like how Ron's story was about getting confidence. I've been watching you guys for years. You're some of my favorite TH-camrs and just really good people. If you happen to see this comment, I've got a few good What if's for you. • What If Draco was sorted into Gryffindor. • What if Sirius Black survived the battle in the department of mysteries. • What if Dumbledore was the Potters secret keeper. • What if Snape was sorted into Gryffindor.
Draco would absolutely never be sorted into Gryffindor. The hat barely touches his head before declaring Slytherin and bravery is most certainly not one of his core characteristics. Snape on the other hand, i could entertain the idea.
Snape could be sorted to Ravenclaw, than is realistic, but it would change everything. And for Sirius, I just don't get, what was a purpose of his death, honestly.
What if Gilderoy Lockhart was not an impostor, what if he had really accomplished the heroic feats of his books and mastered the abilities he claims to have ?
Lockhart wouldve gone into the chamber of secrets without Harry and Ron. I dont know if heroic Lockhart would be able to fight Riddle and the Basilisk though...
Underrated sub-theory: what if lilly potter was so good at potion making because she was friends with Snape? That totally sounds like something good friends going to the same school would do, ie helping each other with homework and studying together. Slughorn specifically goes out of his way to compliment Harry on "having his mother's skills" but they're really snape's skills all along because they were longtime friends and snape's natural talent rubbed off on her.
In that case, Snape wouldve been Slughorns favourite student and not Lily. Slughorn claimes so often that Lily was exceptionally good and had natural talent in potion making that I think we could trust him in that.
It was going to be impossible to do, they probably realized this halfway through the first book. I said when people were asking for it that it just wasn't feasible to do and got attacked for it but it's just the truth. It's not changing a specific plot point like most of these videos are, it was literally changing the entire story and it was never going to be doable in any satisfying way.
I doubt that Ron wouldn't give Harry his Felix Felicis, it's pretty obvious that Harry needs it for something really important ahem getting more intel in order to defeat Voldemort. Ron isn't that selfish he knows he wouldn't need it as much as Harry does at that moment. Also Ron is way more confident in this timeline
@@TheFallenWarGod I'm not so sure. Highly unlikely given the people in question? Absolutely. But consider that the only reason the Dursleys hated Harry was because of Petunia's... complicated relationship with Lily. Vernon was just a no-nonsense drill-maker, and Dudley was a child that followed what his parents said and believed. If Petunia, by some miracle, saw Harry not as a reminder of the magical world she claimed to hate so much, but rather as the last remaining link to her own, now-dead sister, I'm willing to bet Harry's life would have turned out slightly better. She certainly seemed to have come around by the end faster than Vernon did, and only got beat out by Dudley because Harry saved his life and because he's very open about his feelings. The worst I could personally see happening is Harry having to deal with Vernon's more Muggle background where magic is indeed weird and unnatural, as well as Dudley probably taking more after his father, as young boys are more wont to do.
That's not a good "what if" prompt, because it completely changes the Dursleys' personalities. It would never happen, unlike this one, which, as J said, is basically a coin flip.
@@mienfu9824 A "what if" doesn't have to be possible within the universe as written, it just has to be fun enough to be worth exploring. I'm pretty indifferent on this particular idea, though.
Have they already done "what if harry remembered Sirious' mirror in order of the phoenix"? Cause it might have stopped his death but you know who would have to come up with a different wait of getting the prophecy
I think he still would have found the Diadem. It might not have been quite as easy, but they still had the knowledge of Voldemort using house founder items and Luna's knowledge about Helena Ravenclaw and the lost Diadem to at least point them in the right direction. The only thing that would have changed was Harry wouldn't happen to know the exact location and they might have to change up their search tactics.
@@claraphillips7900 - True. If the Fiend Fire was still set off and had the power to destroy horcruxes, and still engulfed the entire room as it originally did, the result would still be the same. Even if they didn't find the diadem, it still would have been obliterated in the aftermath.
That just goes to show you how effective Snape might have been in teaching, had he not abused his students and shared his knowledge with them. I get that potions are very technical but still the man had a lot of knowledge he kept for himself.
@@eranshachar9954yeah he was a pretty shity teacher, he didn't really teach them he just wrote information on the blackboard and told them to do it, he didn't help or explain anything to anyone when they were having trouble or even go over the instructions step by step and explain what everything did and why it was important to the potion
The one remaining question is, if Voldemort again turns to vapor because the diadem is still intact -- what happens if Harry locates and destroys the diadem *after* defeating Voldemort's physical body? IIRC, it was suggested in another what-if video that, in such a scenario, destroying the last remaining horcrux would destroy the Volde-mist as well. But if that happens, would Harry know for sure that Voldemort had been destroyed, or would he still have some lingering doubts about it, meaning he'd spend the rest of his life still somewhat worried that Voldemort might return?
@@jeromevaleska2014 I actually assumed he left the book in the cupboard by mistake - like it was the teacher copy for his own use when he taught but as he was good at this anyway or spent most of his time bullying the kids instead, he kinda forgot all about it. He just would let them follow the textbook instructions, never sharing the more useful modifications he had written down, so when he moved to DADA, he kinda just forgot about his book. Especially since he had bigger things on his mind like having to avada kedavra Dumbledore by the end of the year
@tasmiatahia_write_dream_change I mostly agree with everything you said except for one thing, Snape never had them take instructions out of the book he always wrote their instructions down on the blackboard, I think he did leave the book in the cupboard by accident and it was his book from when he attended Hogwarts and he used it and kept it when he was a teacher but I think he forgot it in the potions dungeon because like you said he had bigger things on his mind like having to kill Dumbledore
But this would mean that Ron still had the remainder of his Felix Felices, and they could have used it in the room with requirements to find the diadem. Or they may have used it earlier for some other reason.
Just gonna point out one issue with this: Ron can't read the Prince's handwriting - Harry tries to share the book with him early on, and he has to keep asking him to read aloud. Also, something I realised when you mentioned Levicorpus: it's noted as being cast non-verbally when Harry discovers it, so how'd the Marauders learn how to cast it after Snape invented it, since he wouldn't have been saying the incantation for them to copy.
Maybe it doesn't have to be nonverbal. Maybe after the Marauders learned it from him and started using it against him, he put in a note for himself to from now on use it nonverbally so that nobody else learns the spell.
Levicorpus was described as a spell everyone knew, which simply doesnt fit together with the claim that Snape invented the spell. If Snape did invent it, he wouldve kept it from the other students and the marauders in particular. It wouldnt gain such popularity.
I think Ron’s lack of interest in potions or attention to detail means he might struggle even with the HBP’s book. Also ron would have given Harry the Felix felicous because he’s a great person
One of the major part of the HBP Book was that the trio including Ginny had suspected Harry and warned him multiple times not to use the book fearing that it may be another Tom Riddle diary kinda thingy. And they badgered Harry a lot to let it go, hide it or destroy it. So if Ron was to be doing the same thing (aka follow instructions from a random book) at least Ginny would be confronting him even if Harry and Hermione were overlooking it cause of his glory. And Ginny can be loud and clear of her intentions which would then later either lead the Trio to investigate more about the book’s contents by reaching out to Dumbledore or to them being on their own and doing their own research. Either way I don’t agree that they’d let it slide easily even if it was with Ron, or rather especially if it was with Ron.
I think I mentioned this after an earlier video, but it's always fun to see discussion to Advanced Potion Making 'cause it inspired my handwritten cookbook journal Advanced Meal Making in which I put in the original recipe in black ink and the changes/additions in green ink, which is very helpful! I'm always learning something and need to write it down for future reference :)
2:59 I thought Ron and Harry both found their books in a cabinet. Slughorn told them to grab some spares, they both saw a couple of books, one less dilapidated than the other, they both tried to grab the nicer book, and Harry was disappointed that Ron got the better book. Until he opened his copy and found all the helpful notes.
Yeah, but why would he? After the Christmas party, Harry believes that whatever Malfoy is doing, Snape is either part of it, wants to be part of it, or at the very least aware of it. Add this to their history over the past five years, and Harry has little reason to even want to ask Snape anything, let alone an old textbook that Snape may or may not know about to begin with.
Don’t really know if it’s been explained but it always bothered me that slughorn, who takes pride in his best performing students and collects them like gems is okay with a worse OWL result than Snape.
You know what's funny? I always see your videos with passages from the books and now that I'm reading them is always fun when I get to a passage that I remember from one of the videos.
Always enjoy the clip of Lavender as a raptor on the plane. Thanks Riley Sr.! Also, can't help but laugh every time there is a side-clip with "I know what a nickname is Potter!"
these "what ifs" really are incredible now that i think of it really , we change one thing and relisten to all the timeline with the previous scenes in mind , everything is already built in the background for us to create infinite harry potter stories and different opinions triggers more theories within and i love it
I thought it would be cool if Harry remembered bezoars from his first potions class, although I don't remember if it's effects in counteracting poisons was mentioned.
Harry had been thinking of using the Felix Felicis to get Ron's permission to date Ginny, and Harry's use of the Felix Felicis to get Slughorn's memory also causes the breakups of Ron and Lavender (which I guess never happened in your version anyway) and Dean and Ginny (which would have still happened in your version, presumably?).
I love your what if scenarios. This channel writes some of my favorite fan fiction. I would honestly love to see you two give a stab at writing an original story. I mean a fully originally story. You two just seem to have an eye for details.
Another thing to consider is that Harry gave the rest of the liquid luck to his friends before leaving with dumbledore and that saved their life. Would Ron think about that? Would Harry adk Ron to do that? Idk maybe Giny would died that night also
I had just recently watched all of the Harry Potter films again, and I was wondering, it seems that an owl can find anyone, anywhere. If that is the case, how is it that anyone is able to hide from someone that is looking for them. You may of course not be able to send owls to people that are under the Fidelius Charm but for those that aren't you just put some sort of tracking spell on the item that is delivered or the owl, or follow the owl on your broom or whatever.
I think a big problem they would have is they wouldn't have the muffliato spell for when they go horcrux hunting, this is one of their main protection spells
it's not random that Harry gets that book. Slughorn gets that copy from the cupboard and gives it to him. I'm gessing at Albus's request, and he just never opened the book to see the notes in the margin. ["Slughorn strode over to a corner cupboard and, after a moment's foraging, emerged with two very battered-looking copies of Advanced Potion-Making by Libatius Borage, which he gave to Harry and Ron along with two sets of tarnished scales." (Ch9 THBP)]. Snape either gave the book to Albus or Kreacher stole it for him, then Albus tells Slughorn "Harry is going to be added to your class register late, give him this copy of the book to work from" and Slughorn just does it.
Although the half-blood prince's book teaches Harry about bezoars I remember a delete scene from the first movie where Snape just straight up tells Harry and the rest of his first year classmates, "A bezoar is a stone taken from a stomach of a goat and it will save you from most poisons." So I wonder if he would've just remembered that when Ron was dying of poison on the ground.
If there is a spell I think on sometimes, and that is sectumsempra. Getting stabbed and slashed by invisible knifes and swords, where the effect that you will bleed uninterruptly and the only way to counter it is repeatedly repeating words while counter-clockwise whirling your wand? Imagine firing off this spell instead of expeliramus or avadakedavra... Scary thought...
12:11 It's 7 pieces of Voldy's soul (with Harry being the accidental 8th). So 6 intended/7 actual horcruxes. Voldy counted his own body in the 7. 1 - Voldy 2 - The diary 3 - The ring 4 - The locket 5 - The cup 6 - The diadem 7 - Nagini 8 - Harry
I know. I've had to explain that to so many people. I'm pretty sure Voldy did want to create 7, but his destruction after Godric's Hollow prevented him from doing so (even though he accidentally did)
'He was so mean to so many of the other characters!' The line that immediately comes to mind: Ron: He struck Hermione too, look! Snape: I see no difference.
10:51 I'm thinking, "What if, rather than just ignoring the chocolate cauldrons, Harry had given them to people who would then annoy Romilda?" My prime candidates are Crabbe and Goyle. Dean and Michael Corner spring to mind also. What do you think would happen if he gave one to Lavender?
By the way, I really think that the book was actually planted there by Dumbledore (or Snape on Dumbledore's wish). Dumbledore needed Harry to retrieve Slughorn's memory and likely wanted him to impress Slughorn and get closer in his circle of students.
I don’t remember if in the book the destruction of the diadem caused a three headed flame to appear. But if yes, it may be a pretty good sign of the horcrux being destroyed
Harry was trying to get the diadem but Malfoy Crabbe and Goyle showed up and Crabbe started a Fyendfire (Three headed flame) and The Golden Trio escaped on broomsticks but went back for Malfoy and Goyle (Crabbe had died) Harry then saw the diadem fly into the air and he swooped back and grabbed it (All the while Malfoy was screaming in his ear.) Then they left the room and the Fyendfire/three headed flame was the thing that destroyed the Horcrux after they got out. Hope this helped! ☺
I doubt Ron would do well with the book, not because he's dumb because he's not. But rather, he's lazy and unmotivated unless it's food or quidditch. And even then his nerves get in the way.
I always wondered what would have happened if the Dursleys weren't THAT crazy and would have raised Harry basically the same way like Dudley as their own. Like: Harry would be an big, strong, more selfish and arrogant persona (but would still travel to Hogwarts cause he thinks "magic is cool" and Vernon and Petunia might not be able to say "no" to him, if he truly wants something). Probably bathing in fame, befriending Malfoy and looking down to Ron for being poor.
It never made sense to me how Snape came from a potioneering mother but didn't inherit her book (there's no reason to think it'd be too old if snape's isn't too old for Harry) but also nobody ever mentioned someone wrote all over this public book. I bet a spell could've fixed it in 20 years. Super plot convenient 👌 👏 👍
I always thought that Dumbledore might have put the book there in the hopes that Harry gets it. He knew that Harry thought he wouldn't be able to study potions that year, and what better way to make Slughorn more open to Harry than to make him his favourite student?
well presented! I thought back on the book and then the movies and a lot of ur logic makes perfect sense that some thigns would just go as they go based on the characters personalities and what they do in certain scenarios!Great Content!
@SuperCarlinBrothers you say that Harry don't know how to open the room of requirements, because he didn't have to hide the book in there, but that is incorrect, he very well knows how to open it, Dumbledore mentions it in passing to him a that Christmas party where he needed a toilet, and then Dobby tells him how to use it in his 5th year for Dumbledore's Army, so he very much know to get into the room. The reason he can't get in to Malfoy is that he don't know what he wants the room to become, so when he knows that he needs the part where all the stuff is hidden, then he most definitely can get in there. The problem for him is that he don't actually know what to look for when he is in there, and the room is massive, so searching it for the diadem, with no inclination to how it looks or where it might be would take much much longer than he has in the situation. After all he is on a time crunch when he goes to destroy it.
Not sure if it’s an editing problem or a me problem but you seem to miss out how harry gets slughorns memory in this timeline, you go straight from harry finding out about the hidden room to harry leaving with dumbledore
@@claraphillips7900 that's fair but they should still explain that Harry had to go back to Ron to re ask him to use it as last we heard Rin thought he could keep it
@@callumwilson9805I think you missed it, j said that Harry went to the class and there were three people in class because everyone’s doing their apparition tests, he fails to get it by making the euphoria potion so goes back to Ron and hermione, Ron who’s feeling pleased about passing his test because he’s so confident gives Harry a sip, and everything went down the same with going to hagrids and getting the memory. I recited it all back to you so you don’t have to go and find it😂
Was it ever explained in chamber of secrets why the flying car comes to save ron and harry from aragog the spider. Did someone put a spell on the car to go get them or is it simply just a magic car and its not that deep because you see it just driving off back into the forest after harry and ron get out
Interesting theory. Most likely, Harry will see the condition of the book from the hall blood prince and offer to trade Ron since Ron always has hand me downs. Ron sheepishly accepts and the new copy and the story stays the same as in the book, except Ron gets down in the dumps earlier once he realizes he gave up the book. Ron gets depressed thinking "that should have been me".
Q: What would have happened if Ron got the Half Blood Prince's potions book? A: Book Six would not have been titled "Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince".
That would have been nice, but I think Dumbledore says that he suspects Slughorn carrying a Veritaserum antidote on hand because he's so paranoid and ashamed about how he helped Voldemort rise to power and would be prepared for that sort of trick
Potential idea for a what if. What if Katie Bell successfully delivered the opal necklace to Dumbledore? Or for that matter, what if any of Draco’s methods of assassination actually reached Dumbledore. I highly doubt that either one would actually be successful but how would that scenario have played out? Edit: Nevermind. Filch would have detected it with the secrecy sensor and confiscated it. There’s no way it would reach Dumbledore.
So, hang on, what about the fact that Ron had trouble reading the Half Blood Prince's handwriting? Harry tried sharing the book in the canon storyline, but Ron still had to have it all explained to him by Harry.
The book says that Ron could not read the Prince's Handwriting, So no Ron would not succeed. and since he is not able to read it and Harry can so they end up trading books and Harry gets it. so everything ends up the same.
Chapter 10 First paragraph says "Ron had more difficulty deciphering the handwriting than Harry did, and could not keep on asking Harry to read aloud.' I rest my case.
This is one major problem I hate with the movies over the books Hermione Granger is not anywhere close to his intelligent in the books Ron is actually the one that gives so much background on a Wizarding world because he's the only character that has lived in the Wizarding world but all of his best parts were given to Hermione Granger
Anything that helps Ron avoid Lavender is a win in my book!
Amén to that guys 🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡
Agreed
Will there be a kahoot quiz next week?
Yes
Actually as annoying as Lavender is, I feel bad for her. She genuinely likes Ron but he's just using her to hurt Hermione. Says more about Ron's lack of character than anything else.
Snape really should have published his own line of Potion making books. He probably would have made way more money than teaching.
so true
But you’re forgetting one thing, Snape never became a teacher because of the pay, he became a teacher because Dumbledore told him to keep Harry safe
Laughs in currently writing a fanfiction where Snape does that
@@adamtgm2405 and Dumbledore wanted to keep him close, he didnt really trust him at that point
@@MrEvanNoyes Yeah, Forgot to write that 😂
Ok so one little nitpick lol. Harry says that he tried to share the book with Ron and Hermione but Hermione didn't like the book and Ron had trouble deciphering the Prince's handwriting and Harry couldn't read him the instructions. So I don't think Ron would actually use the book in potions as effectively as Harry did.
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Also: In the books it's not slughorn that hands the books over to them, instead just directs them to each take one from the school supplies.
Both harry and Ron struggle for the better looking book and is Harry that ends up losing and gets the bad one (snapes old one, apparently got quite a run down cover from years of usage)
Edit: This is wrongly stated by Johnathan's voiceover AND text at 2:47
@@anduin9141thats in the movie
I had the same thought
I’m not 100% sold. Harry and Ron try to help each other all the time and Harry would have asked Ron for help, seen more of the book and might have asked Ron if he could look through it randomly later. Ron who doesn’t care about looking through text books would shrug, tease him some and let him. And Ron used Harry’s book in the original story and couldn’t read the handwriting very well.
Plus in the books Harry tries to help Ron but Ron couldn't make out the handwriting. So he wouldn't be able to use Snape's notes
@@gerstein03 yeah, and even if he could read it cause he's allowed to hold the book closer to make it out cause it's his, Harry would also have been able to read it...i don't know that Harry would have had quite the same love for it still though, idk
ron tried reading the book but he had trouble reading Snapes handwriting
I was just thinking about that he couldn't read the handwriting or at least struggled for them
I agree, I immediately remembered that Ron couldn’t read the handwriting in the book, so Ron would not have been able to follow its instructions.
To be fair, the bezoar antidote was one of the first things Snape ever taught Harry in his first year, if only he remembered. Apparently he didn't write *that* down.
Even if he did, it wouldnt have helped him years later. His notes wouldve long been either thrown away or burried under other school stuff.
@@abraham2172 I mean that's not how studying works but alright.
@@malcolm32 Do you still have your old school notes and use them?
@@abraham2172 That's not the point. I'm saying that if he had written that information down and (here's the important part) *studied it,* he might have been able to remember later. I'm 27. I don't have my notes from middle school, but 16 years later I still know what the Pythagorean theorem is.
@@malcolm32 I understand. He was probably too confused or irritated to think of writing it down. Appart from being possibly distracted from all the new stuff. It was his first week in Hogwarts after all.
I appreciated the Aragorn call back from the J vs Ben Quiz
also appreciated not having to see Aragog!
I am glad I'm not the only one who noticed the call back XD.
I'm not so sure Hermione would have been able to save Ron from the poisoning, though. One thing her character often lacks that Harry has in abundance is the ability to keep a clear head in dangerous situations, so I can actually see this ending rather badly.
Light a Fire? But there's no wood... yep exactly that
Eh but we see in Deathly Hallows that she can formulate pretty intricate plans in a moments notice under significant pressure. She figures out how to get the trio out of xenophilius lovegoods house without revealing that Ron was with them while making sure the deatheaters see that lovegood wasn't lying or trying to set them up in order to keep him, luna and the rest of the weasleys safe. Also, she was able to get them out of bathilda bagshots house and even thinks of a credible story about gryffindors sword while being tortured by Bellatrix. So I think that criticism is a little off-base. Hermione was a walking cheatcode at all times, let's be real
@@DeadSezSo Yeah she turned superhero in Deathly Hallows when left alone and needing to look out for themselves. But before that? Not so much. I'm guessing her instinctive reaction would have been to run for help, being in the sheltered school environment and all, and that might have taken too long.
I mean she was younger then, as she got older and exposed to more danger, I'd imagine she got better at keeping her cool. I think this can be seen as early as Prisoner of Azkaban as she attempts to get Harry to understand why they can't change certain things in the moment, and pushes him to make the patronus to save himself and Sirius, not believing Harry's dad conjured it like Harry does.
I disagree. She probably would've freaked out and yelled at everyone to find a beazor while crying about how her bf was going to die, and someone would've found it.
A few people are saying that Hermione wouldn’t grab the bezoar because she tends to lose her head in stressful situations. Many of you are forgetting that she got a lot better with that, getting her own
“Are you a wizard or not?” moment with Ron, quickly adapting to the situation when escaping the Ministry, dragging them into the floo, then apparating them to Grimmauld Place, then to the Forest of Dean, and then quickly applying the dittany and wrapping up Ron’s splinched arm. I think she could handle the bezoar at 16.
You know that line mirrors the one Ron said to her in the first book.
@@sanjoykumardas4018 Yes, that’s my point, that’s why I said she gets _her own_
“Are you a wizard or not?” moment. Glad someone else noticed though!
“Either way we successfully dodge Lavender Brown! Bravo everyone bravo!” Truer words have never been spoken and the way J said “Well done” was hilarious 😂
I actually think it’s reasonable that Harry would still know about the bezoar as an effective antidote. He was right next to Ron for the assignment, so he would have known exactly what Ron turned in for the grade.
Harry does have a knack for remembering obseure things mentioned seemingly in passing. After all, he remembered the name Gregorovich three years a passing comment Krum gave to Rita Skeeter.
Yh he also remembered snape explaining it in the first book so he definitely would be able to
I appreciate J leaning into his Aragorn/Aragog slip
I really liked this What If. It's definitely an interesting one and I like how Ron's story was about getting confidence.
I've been watching you guys for years. You're some of my favorite TH-camrs and just really good people.
If you happen to see this comment, I've got a few good What if's for you.
• What If Draco was sorted into Gryffindor.
• What if Sirius Black survived the battle in the department of mysteries.
• What if Dumbledore was the Potters secret keeper.
• What if Snape was sorted into Gryffindor.
Draco would absolutely never be sorted into Gryffindor. The hat barely touches his head before declaring Slytherin and bravery is most certainly not one of his core characteristics.
Snape on the other hand, i could entertain the idea.
that last ones got my full attention!
Snape could be sorted to Ravenclaw, than is realistic, but it would change everything.
And for Sirius, I just don't get, what was a purpose of his death, honestly.
@@cassiolins1203 Exactly.
I think it's fascinating how the second question Snape asked 11 year old Harry during his first lesson was "where do you find a bezoar".
What if Gilderoy Lockhart was not an impostor, what if he had really accomplished the heroic feats of his books and mastered the abilities he claims to have ?
Hmm. That would be interesting
Then why wasn't he curing every werewolf like he bragged he did?
Lockhart wouldve gone into the chamber of secrets without Harry and Ron. I dont know if heroic Lockhart would be able to fight Riddle and the Basilisk though...
He can do joined-up writing now you know!!! Poor Gilderoy....
What if lockhart kept pensieve memories of his victims to study
Underrated sub-theory: what if lilly potter was so good at potion making because she was friends with Snape? That totally sounds like something good friends going to the same school would do, ie helping each other with homework and studying together. Slughorn specifically goes out of his way to compliment Harry on "having his mother's skills" but they're really snape's skills all along because they were longtime friends and snape's natural talent rubbed off on her.
I've always thought this. Slughorn goes on about she was one of the most talented and gifted students he ever had.
What if it was the opposite? What if Snape learned it from Lily?
In that case, Snape wouldve been Slughorns favourite student and not Lily. Slughorn claimes so often that Lily was exceptionally good and had natural talent in potion making that I think we could trust him in that.
I’m begging you to continue the Neville Chosen one series, you left it off at such a fascinating point
It was going to be impossible to do, they probably realized this halfway through the first book. I said when people were asking for it that it just wasn't feasible to do and got attacked for it but it's just the truth. It's not changing a specific plot point like most of these videos are, it was literally changing the entire story and it was never going to be doable in any satisfying way.
Yeah killing half the story characters made this hard to work
I doubt that Ron wouldn't give Harry his Felix Felicis, it's pretty obvious that Harry needs it for something really important ahem getting more intel in order to defeat Voldemort. Ron isn't that selfish he knows he wouldn't need it as much as Harry does at that moment. Also Ron is way more confident in this timeline
Something I think you guys might have forgotten: didn't Ron have trouble reading the handwriting in the book?
bcs the book was in front of harry
lavender as velociraptor always gets me 😭😂
Never thought about this 😅 Jeez, Harry’s pretty lucky that Slughorn chucked him that book.
What do you would happen if the Dursley were kind to Harry?
That is impossible
@@TheFallenWarGod I'm not so sure. Highly unlikely given the people in question? Absolutely. But consider that the only reason the Dursleys hated Harry was because of Petunia's... complicated relationship with Lily. Vernon was just a no-nonsense drill-maker, and Dudley was a child that followed what his parents said and believed. If Petunia, by some miracle, saw Harry not as a reminder of the magical world she claimed to hate so much, but rather as the last remaining link to her own, now-dead sister, I'm willing to bet Harry's life would have turned out slightly better. She certainly seemed to have come around by the end faster than Vernon did, and only got beat out by Dudley because Harry saved his life and because he's very open about his feelings.
The worst I could personally see happening is Harry having to deal with Vernon's more Muggle background where magic is indeed weird and unnatural, as well as Dudley probably taking more after his father, as young boys are more wont to do.
That's not a good "what if" prompt, because it completely changes the Dursleys' personalities. It would never happen, unlike this one, which, as J said, is basically a coin flip.
Would Vernon and Petunia be able to attend quidditch matches
@@mienfu9824 A "what if" doesn't have to be possible within the universe as written, it just has to be fun enough to be worth exploring. I'm pretty indifferent on this particular idea, though.
Have they already done "what if harry remembered Sirious' mirror in order of the phoenix"? Cause it might have stopped his death but you know who would have to come up with a different wait of getting the prophecy
Yes they did do that one already! It's called What if Sirius told Harry how to use the mirror.
I think he still would have found the Diadem. It might not have been quite as easy, but they still had the knowledge of Voldemort using house founder items and Luna's knowledge about Helena Ravenclaw and the lost Diadem to at least point them in the right direction. The only thing that would have changed was Harry wouldn't happen to know the exact location and they might have to change up their search tactics.
Plus, the chances of Crabb destroying it seems pretty good to me.
@@claraphillips7900 - True. If the Fiend Fire was still set off and had the power to destroy horcruxes, and still engulfed the entire room as it originally did, the result would still be the same. Even if they didn't find the diadem, it still would have been obliterated in the aftermath.
That just goes to show you how effective Snape might have been in teaching, had he not abused his students and shared his knowledge with them. I get that potions are very technical but still the man had a lot of knowledge he kept for himself.
He probably shared, he was writing the instructions on the board and wasn't asking the students to read them from their books
@@lydiaa9594 Yeah but it wasn't a true teaching. As a teacher he simply didn't give a F.
@@eranshachar9954he did give lots of F's, but the "exam grade" kind of "F" 😉
@@takix2007 Exactly bro😆
@@eranshachar9954yeah he was a pretty shity teacher, he didn't really teach them he just wrote information on the blackboard and told them to do it, he didn't help or explain anything to anyone when they were having trouble or even go over the instructions step by step and explain what everything did and why it was important to the potion
SuperCarlinbrothers is just adult men writing fan fiction as a job and I am LIVING for it!!!
The one remaining question is, if Voldemort again turns to vapor because the diadem is still intact -- what happens if Harry locates and destroys the diadem *after* defeating Voldemort's physical body? IIRC, it was suggested in another what-if video that, in such a scenario, destroying the last remaining horcrux would destroy the Volde-mist as well. But if that happens, would Harry know for sure that Voldemort had been destroyed, or would he still have some lingering doubts about it, meaning he'd spend the rest of his life still somewhat worried that Voldemort might return?
Interesting. Also, what video did you hear that from? Another SCB video? Harry Potter Folklore? I'd love to watch it myself 😊
@@S-Mania
th-cam.com/video/6H5Hkj8iUQE/w-d-xo.html (I tried to point to the specific spot where they start discussing it)
Ok but can we talk about how Snape has this book super valuable information and deadly spells and just LEFT IT in a high school ?
At the time he wanted to be a death eater. If he was willing to create the spells, I don’t see him worrying too much about the harm they could cause.
@@jeromevaleska2014 I actually assumed he left the book in the cupboard by mistake - like it was the teacher copy for his own use when he taught but as he was good at this anyway or spent most of his time bullying the kids instead, he kinda forgot all about it. He just would let them follow the textbook instructions, never sharing the more useful modifications he had written down, so when he moved to DADA, he kinda just forgot about his book. Especially since he had bigger things on his mind like having to avada kedavra Dumbledore by the end of the year
@tasmiatahia_write_dream_change I mostly agree with everything you said except for one thing, Snape never had them take instructions out of the book he always wrote their instructions down on the blackboard, I think he did leave the book in the cupboard by accident and it was his book from when he attended Hogwarts and he used it and kept it when he was a teacher but I think he forgot it in the potions dungeon because like you said he had bigger things on his mind like having to kill Dumbledore
But this would mean that Ron still had the remainder of his Felix Felices, and they could have used it in the room with requirements to find the diadem. Or they may have used it earlier for some other reason.
Just gonna point out one issue with this: Ron can't read the Prince's handwriting - Harry tries to share the book with him early on, and he has to keep asking him to read aloud.
Also, something I realised when you mentioned Levicorpus: it's noted as being cast non-verbally when Harry discovers it, so how'd the Marauders learn how to cast it after Snape invented it, since he wouldn't have been saying the incantation for them to copy.
Maybe it doesn't have to be nonverbal.
Maybe after the Marauders learned it from him and started using it against him, he put in a note for himself to from now on use it nonverbally so that nobody else learns the spell.
Levicorpus was described as a spell everyone knew, which simply doesnt fit together with the claim that Snape invented the spell. If Snape did invent it, he wouldve kept it from the other students and the marauders in particular. It wouldnt gain such popularity.
I think Ron’s lack of interest in potions or attention to detail means he might struggle even with the HBP’s book. Also ron would have given Harry the Felix felicous because he’s a great person
One of the major part of the HBP Book was that the trio including Ginny had suspected Harry and warned him multiple times not to use the book fearing that it may be another Tom Riddle diary kinda thingy. And they badgered Harry a lot to let it go, hide it or destroy it. So if Ron was to be doing the same thing (aka follow instructions from a random book) at least Ginny would be confronting him even if Harry and Hermione were overlooking it cause of his glory. And Ginny can be loud and clear of her intentions which would then later either lead the Trio to investigate more about the book’s contents by reaching out to Dumbledore or to them being on their own and doing their own research. Either way I don’t agree that they’d let it slide easily even if it was with Ron, or rather especially if it was with Ron.
I think I mentioned this after an earlier video, but it's always fun to see discussion to Advanced Potion Making 'cause it inspired my handwritten cookbook journal Advanced Meal Making in which I put in the original recipe in black ink and the changes/additions in green ink, which is very helpful! I'm always learning something and need to write it down for future reference :)
2:59 I thought Ron and Harry both found their books in a cabinet. Slughorn told them to grab some spares, they both saw a couple of books, one less dilapidated than the other, they both tried to grab the nicer book, and Harry was disappointed that Ron got the better book.
Until he opened his copy and found all the helpful notes.
That was only in the movie.
Theory. Ron gets the book, gets irritated by the scribbles, trades with Harry, story goes as it has.
i honestly considered what if harry had asked snape who the half blood prince is?
Yeah, but why would he? After the Christmas party, Harry believes that whatever Malfoy is doing, Snape is either part of it, wants to be part of it, or at the very least aware of it. Add this to their history over the past five years, and Harry has little reason to even want to ask Snape anything, let alone an old textbook that Snape may or may not know about to begin with.
Don’t really know if it’s been explained but it always bothered me that slughorn, who takes pride in his best performing students and collects them like gems is okay with a worse OWL result than Snape.
You know what's funny? I always see your videos with passages from the books and now that I'm reading them is always fun when I get to a passage that I remember from one of the videos.
Always enjoy the clip of Lavender as a raptor on the plane. Thanks Riley Sr.! Also, can't help but laugh every time there is a side-clip with "I know what a nickname is Potter!"
these "what ifs" really are incredible now that i think of it really , we change one thing and relisten to all the timeline with the previous scenes in mind , everything is already built in the background for us to create infinite harry potter stories and different opinions triggers more theories within and i love it
Gotta love fanfiction
i love these types of videos i’ve been watching them for like 3 years now!!❤❤
Enjoy!
@@SuperCarlinBrothersYou guys are incredible
Of course they are
I thought it would be cool if Harry remembered bezoars from his first potions class, although I don't remember if it's effects in counteracting poisons was mentioned.
Harry had been thinking of using the Felix Felicis to get Ron's permission to date Ginny, and Harry's use of the Felix Felicis to get Slughorn's memory also causes the breakups of Ron and Lavender (which I guess never happened in your version anyway) and Dean and Ginny (which would have still happened in your version, presumably?).
The real question is how many other students used that book over time to cheat at potions just like Harry did
I love your what if scenarios. This channel writes some of my favorite fan fiction.
I would honestly love to see you two give a stab at writing an original story. I mean a fully originally story. You two just seem to have an eye for details.
Another thing to consider is that Harry gave the rest of the liquid luck to his friends before leaving with dumbledore and that saved their life. Would Ron think about that? Would Harry adk Ron to do that? Idk maybe Giny would died that night also
Haha the Aragog/Aragorn joke from JvsBen is back 😂
I had just recently watched all of the Harry Potter films again, and I was wondering, it seems that an owl can find anyone, anywhere. If that is the case, how is it that anyone is able to hide from someone that is looking for them. You may of course not be able to send owls to people that are under the Fidelius Charm but for those that aren't you just put some sort of tracking spell on the item that is delivered or the owl, or follow the owl on your broom or whatever.
I think a big problem they would have is they wouldn't have the muffliato spell for when they go horcrux hunting, this is one of their main protection spells
I loved the "Aragorn's funeral" 😂😂😂
New what if idea: What if Harry looked like Lily but with James’ eyes?
it's not random that Harry gets that book. Slughorn gets that copy from the cupboard and gives it to him. I'm gessing at Albus's request, and he just never opened the book to see the notes in the margin. ["Slughorn strode over to a corner cupboard and, after a moment's foraging, emerged with two very battered-looking copies of Advanced Potion-Making by Libatius Borage, which he gave to Harry and Ron along with two sets of tarnished scales." (Ch9 THBP)]. Snape either gave the book to Albus or Kreacher stole it for him, then Albus tells Slughorn "Harry is going to be added to your class register late, give him this copy of the book to work from" and Slughorn just does it.
What an absolutely stellar video. More please! As a book fan, there can never be enough analysis and "what if" videos.
Although the half-blood prince's book teaches Harry about bezoars I remember a delete scene from the first movie where Snape just straight up tells Harry and the rest of his first year classmates, "A bezoar is a stone taken from a stomach of a goat and it will save you from most poisons." So I wonder if he would've just remembered that when Ron was dying of poison on the ground.
If there is a spell I think on sometimes, and that is sectumsempra.
Getting stabbed and slashed by invisible knifes and swords, where the effect that you will bleed uninterruptly and the only way to counter it is repeatedly repeating words while counter-clockwise whirling your wand?
Imagine firing off this spell instead of expeliramus or avadakedavra...
Scary thought...
12:11 It's 7 pieces of Voldy's soul (with Harry being the accidental 8th). So 6 intended/7 actual horcruxes. Voldy counted his own body in the 7.
1 - Voldy
2 - The diary
3 - The ring
4 - The locket
5 - The cup
6 - The diadem
7 - Nagini
8 - Harry
I know. I've had to explain that to so many people. I'm pretty sure Voldy did want to create 7, but his destruction after Godric's Hollow prevented him from doing so (even though he accidentally did)
'He was so mean to so many of the other characters!'
The line that immediately comes to mind:
Ron: He struck Hermione too, look!
Snape: I see no difference.
Watch these like their a TV show! keep up the good work Ben & J
I always think that you guys will be running out of ideas for what ifs, but I am continuously surprised. Keep up the good work 👏
At first I thought you meant the actual book that we read 😂
These what if videos are always a treat!
Why dose Snape still teach out of the standard book, since he already knows the book is if not wrong at least not as effective?
10:51 I'm thinking, "What if, rather than just ignoring the chocolate cauldrons, Harry had given them to people who would then annoy Romilda?" My prime candidates are Crabbe and Goyle. Dean and Michael Corner spring to mind also. What do you think would happen if he gave one to Lavender?
By the way, I really think that the book was actually planted there by Dumbledore (or Snape on Dumbledore's wish). Dumbledore needed Harry to retrieve Slughorn's memory and likely wanted him to impress Slughorn and get closer in his circle of students.
I don’t remember if in the book the destruction of the diadem caused a three headed flame to appear. But if yes, it may be a pretty good sign of the horcrux being destroyed
Harry was trying to get the diadem but Malfoy Crabbe and Goyle showed up and Crabbe started a Fyendfire (Three headed flame) and The Golden Trio escaped on broomsticks but went back for Malfoy and Goyle (Crabbe had died) Harry then saw the diadem fly into the air and he swooped back and grabbed it (All the while Malfoy was screaming in his ear.) Then they left the room and the Fyendfire/three headed flame was the thing that destroyed the Horcrux after they got out.
Hope this helped! ☺
I doubt Ron would do well with the book, not because he's dumb because he's not. But rather, he's lazy and unmotivated unless it's food or quidditch. And even then his nerves get in the way.
How dare you, he is not lazy or unmotivated. That is just the movie
The Chosen one!
His friends call him Roonil Wazlib
It said in the books Ron couldn’t read the handwriting
In fact, harry should have known from the bezoar since the first schoolyear because Snape told him in his first potions lessons-
I always wondered what would have happened if the Dursleys weren't THAT crazy and would have raised Harry basically the same way like Dudley as their own. Like: Harry would be an big, strong, more selfish and arrogant persona (but would still travel to Hogwarts cause he thinks "magic is cool" and Vernon and Petunia might not be able to say "no" to him, if he truly wants something). Probably bathing in fame, befriending Malfoy and looking down to Ron for being poor.
I had been asking for this video for about a year... THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING IT
Is my hearing bad or did J say Aragorn's funeral? 😂 What a crossover, Harry Potter and Lord of the rings
It never made sense to me how Snape came from a potioneering mother but didn't inherit her book (there's no reason to think it'd be too old if snape's isn't too old for Harry) but also nobody ever mentioned someone wrote all over this public book. I bet a spell could've fixed it in 20 years. Super plot convenient 👌 👏 👍
Harry obviously would attend the King of Gondor's funeral.
I always thought that Dumbledore might have put the book there in the hopes that Harry gets it. He knew that Harry thought he wouldn't be able to study potions that year, and what better way to make Slughorn more open to Harry than to make him his favourite student?
12:08 Wrong. Dumbledor lands on 6 Horcrux with Harry being the secret 7th.
Come on guys.
well presented! I thought back on the book and then the movies and a lot of ur logic makes perfect sense that some thigns would just go as they go based on the characters personalities and what they do in certain scenarios!Great Content!
ARAGORN FUNERAL!!! That was hilarious!
@SuperCarlinBrothers you say that Harry don't know how to open the room of requirements, because he didn't have to hide the book in there, but that is incorrect, he very well knows how to open it, Dumbledore mentions it in passing to him a that Christmas party where he needed a toilet, and then Dobby tells him how to use it in his 5th year for Dumbledore's Army, so he very much know to get into the room.
The reason he can't get in to Malfoy is that he don't know what he wants the room to become, so when he knows that he needs the part where all the stuff is hidden, then he most definitely can get in there.
The problem for him is that he don't actually know what to look for when he is in there, and the room is massive, so searching it for the diadem, with no inclination to how it looks or where it might be would take much much longer than he has in the situation. After all he is on a time crunch when he goes to destroy it.
Not sure if it’s an editing problem or a me problem but you seem to miss out how harry gets slughorns memory in this timeline, you go straight from harry finding out about the hidden room to harry leaving with dumbledore
I think it's cause it happened exactly the same way.
@@claraphillips7900 that's fair but they should still explain that Harry had to go back to Ron to re ask him to use it as last we heard Rin thought he could keep it
@@callumwilson9805I think you missed it, j said that Harry went to the class and there were three people in class because everyone’s doing their apparition tests, he fails to get it by making the euphoria potion so goes back to Ron and hermione, Ron who’s feeling pleased about passing his test because he’s so confident gives Harry a sip, and everything went down the same with going to hagrids and getting the memory. I recited it all back to you so you don’t have to go and find it😂
One of the funniest running gags on my TH-cam feed these days is the ‘won won’ Cursed dinosaur dream thing.
Was it ever explained in chamber of secrets why the flying car comes to save ron and harry from aragog the spider. Did someone put a spell on the car to go get them or is it simply just a magic car and its not that deep because you see it just driving off back into the forest after harry and ron get out
Good question, never really thought of that.
Interesting theory. Most likely, Harry will see the condition of the book from the hall blood prince and offer to trade Ron since Ron always has hand me downs. Ron sheepishly accepts and the new copy and the story stays the same as in the book, except Ron gets down in the dumps earlier once he realizes he gave up the book. Ron gets depressed thinking "that should have been me".
Q: What would have happened if Ron got the Half Blood Prince's potions book?
A: Book Six would not have been titled "Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince".
There are seven horcruxes not eight you have the diary, the ring, the locket, the cup, the diadem, nagini, and then finally Harry
Part of voldemort's soul is the 8th.
@@Alt_Aly I agree that the part of voldemort's that is in his body the eight-part but his body does not count as a horcrux
One thing I think would be an interesting concept for you to unravel is what if Harry and Draco somehow actually got along?
I think that Harry or Dumbledore should have just put some veritaserum in Slughorns drink oneday
That would have been nice, but I think Dumbledore says that he suspects Slughorn carrying a Veritaserum antidote on hand because he's so paranoid and ashamed about how he helped Voldemort rise to power and would be prepared for that sort of trick
Thanks for the great what-if story. I hope you never stop creating them, they are far too intetesting😊.
17:28 lord of the rings reference in a video about harry potter
It’s a good day when they come out with a new what if video
Potential idea for a what if. What if Katie Bell successfully delivered the opal necklace to Dumbledore? Or for that matter, what if any of Draco’s methods of assassination actually reached Dumbledore. I highly doubt that either one would actually be successful but how would that scenario have played out?
Edit: Nevermind. Filch would have detected it with the secrecy sensor and confiscated it. There’s no way it would reach Dumbledore.
3:11 Wait a minute, this sounds familiar...
4:41 No, because Hermione was having trouble with it.
So, hang on, what about the fact that Ron had trouble reading the Half Blood Prince's handwriting? Harry tried sharing the book in the canon storyline, but Ron still had to have it all explained to him by Harry.
Did you guys notice that in Loki the soul stone is missing from the drawer with all the stones
The book says that Ron could not read the Prince's Handwriting, So no Ron would not succeed. and since he is not able to read it and Harry can so they end up trading books and Harry gets it. so everything ends up the same.
Chapter 10 First paragraph says "Ron had more difficulty deciphering the handwriting than Harry did, and could not keep on asking Harry to read aloud.'
I rest my case.
17:28 rest in peace king ellesar, you had a good 210 years
I'm SO glad I caught the video where Veloco-Lav first showed up cause otherwise I'd be so lost as to why that edit even exists...
This is one major problem I hate with the movies over the books Hermione Granger is not anywhere close to his intelligent in the books Ron is actually the one that gives so much background on a Wizarding world because he's the only character that has lived in the Wizarding world but all of his best parts were given to Hermione Granger
What would happen if Cedric let Harry win for the triwizard turniment (because Harry told Cedric about the dragons)
Suggestion: what if Harry was a full Horcrux?
I don't think Ron would have done it. He couldn't really make out the writing so I don't think he would even try.
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