Chapter 18: Dobby’s Reward | Chamber of Secrets
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- Join J and Ben as they dive into Chapter 18 of the Chamber of Secrets and discuss floo powder, more getting expelled fear, horcrux setup, Harry’s imposter syndrome, the properties of the Sword of Gryffindor, the DADA position, Lucius Malfoy, Harry’s signature spell and snogging.
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I randomly realized this week that Ron and Hermione are always separates from Harry when he faces Voldemort. Except for possibly a small glimpse in Godric’s Hollow in Hermione’s case and hearing (only Harry could see it) him kill Snape at the battle of Hogwarts, the first time Ron and Hermione ever see Voldemort is when he dies in the great hall. From their point of view it must be like: “so that’s him… aaand he’s dead”
If they Were there, Harry might have succeeded in killing Voldemort just to save them.
@@keithg460 i think is the other way around. i think voldemort would have kill them just to hurt harrys resolve
What further emphasises this, in Order of the Phoenix, practically everyone in the ministry sees Voldemort except for the 5 people Harry brought with him
Tbh this kind of contributes to everyone’s belief that Harry could just be making it all up. Literally zero conscious witnesses besides this one adolescent boy for like almost five full years.
Holy crap I never realized that until now ur right. Ron and Hermione had never seen voldemort
My husband grew up in an orphanage. When he was fostered out at 6 years old, he lived in constant terror that if he did anything out of line, they would take him back to the orphanage. I get it, Harry... I get it!
as a british person it cracks me up whenever you guys play the "british or wizarding world?" game. Snogging is just a british word
Does it refer to any specific kind of kissing, the way a phrase like "making out" does?
@@riluna3695 well in my head it’s always been kissing with tongue, but according to the dictionary definition it’s “kissing and cuddling amorously” which basically means like heated kissing/making out.
@@shhimreading906In the 2000s, there was a movie that came out called "Angus, Thongs, and Perfect Snogging" that introduced me to the word. I was 14 and fascinated by the subject matter of course.
It doesn't sound very charming, though.
@@TheToneBender never said it did
I've always felt that any house elf, that was happy in their position, would not have felt that they had been presented clothes and thus freed. Doby hated Malfoy so much that he was "Close enough, I'm out of here!"
Actually, based on the mythology that house elfs are based on. Being presented with clothes is actually a major insult to them and they tend to turn from helpful to harmful
Same with the wizard who put house elves into armor and them disappearing as he thought they would defend him 😂
The car is kinda like “The Velveteen Rabbit” and “Pinocchio”, love makes them real. Voldemort is one of the most charismatic and manipulative people ever, a lot like Hitler. He convinces pure blooded wizard who hate non pure bloods, to follow a half blood. Hitler convinces tall blonde people to help him rid the world of everyone else, while he was short and dark haired.
In Half Blood Prince the students return by floo powder as a one time emergency sort of thing, along with other mentions of the floo network, it seems fireplaces can help only be used for communication and not full body transportation, unless the protection is turned off. Same goes for apparating.
@@xbayne1716and the elfs other than dobby do seem to think of being freed as such a shame... it still kinda stands with the myth then
I love the image of Dumbledore shiftily looking around while conspicuously twisting a valve down in the dungeons so Harry can talk to Sirius via the floo network.
"Woops. Hehehe"
This must be how Pettigrew knew where to find Voldemort. As Scabbers, he may have been in the room and heard Dumbledor say he was in Albania.
Great point!
Doesn't Voldemort say he found out from Bertha Jorkins?
@@tylarjackson7928pretty sure Peter finds Voldemort first because he says he brought/ convinced birtha to follow him into the forest for Voldemort to torture.
@@tylarjackson7928Crouch found out from Bertha Jorkins
"Never trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps his brain." Sooo were just going to trust the Sorting Hat? 😂
Good point! 😂
And the mirror in the Leaky Cauldron, and the book Hagrid gives them, and many other things. I don't think the author remembered she used that line.
Right what about the car the drive to school!
Poor ginny is like I thought it was a magic book in my magic life. So what it wrote back that doesn't HAVE mean it was harboring a soul lol
Always took it to mean that you should at least be cautious. Like not necessarily everything like this is evil, but definitely could be, so caution should be used. Like don't trust it right out the gate
@@tylarjackson7928Harry recalls mr weasley saying in P,O,S when he gets the marauders map.
My theory: The Ford Anglia only became conscious after it was hit by the Whomping Willow. It had sense knocked into it
Lol, that's a good one! I'm thinking when Ron's wand broke, it let out a burst of magic that somehow gave the car some consciousness.
Hey bros, Dumbledore does put the ring on in the Gaunts' shack. He told Harry had it not been for his own prodigious skill and Snape's timely actions when he "returned to Hogwarts, desperately injured" he might not have lived to tell the tale.
It's so funny to me that J hates the footrests on the broomsticks. 'Cause I distinctly remember the first time seeing them way back then and thinking "wow that's so smart. Otherwise, it must've been quite painful to ride broomsticks!"
I was thinking that too
And him saying the nimbus never had them when it most certainly does
About chocolate, this isn't the first time it's "healing" effect is mentioned. In Philosopher's Stone, Harry give a Chocolate Frog to comfort Neville after Draco use a Leg-locker curse on him.
A proud listener from Sweden. This is more related to last chapter, but still fun fact.
In Swedish Voldemorts name is "Tom Gus Mervolo Dolder" and it's revealed as "Ego Sum Lord Voldermort" with the comment from Tom that "Ego Sum" is Latin and means "I am", in Swedish "Jag är".
For fun, I wrote the name down "Jag är Lord Voldemort" and tried to keep Tom Dolder (can't use Riddle since there is no "i" in the sentence) and see what other middle names he could have. He could have Olgar or Largo and Järv (the animal wolverine) - in Sweden, having an animal as a name isn't to uncommon.
So Tom's Swedish name could be "Tom Olgar Järv Dolder" 😂
Awesome beyond belief!
Here is a version were tom middle name is Elvis.😅
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It's really fun to read different versions of his name in each country. Applause for the creative translators all around the world!
The Weasleys could have also apparated in hogsmead and walked over.
Yeah, Dumbledore definitely hired Lockhart with the full knowledge that the curse would do something to his charlatan butt in the end come the end of the year.
It's probably Dudleys sock. A reason why it might be huge
My thought too, or Vernon's since he talks about having those too.
I think Harry often wears "Oncle Vernons old socks", for example when he later muffles the sneakerscope in a pair
And the diary could be smaller than the one in the movie too
But yes, I also think it's Dudley/Vernon's socks
I think the reason chocolate is good after encountering a dementor isn’t just that is nice and fun, it’s to do with the fact it literally contains the chemicals phenylethylamine and serotonin, which are thought to be mood boosters. Eating chocolate makes you feel good, even euphoric. So any other sweets may not be as effective.
31:40 what if the car was just a car, but when they crash in the willow and Ron's wand breaks, some of the wand's core magic leaks into the car, giving it life? It would explain why it tries to protect Ron as the wand was Charlie's old wand. And it had a unicorn hair core, which is said to be very loyal to the first owner. So maybe the car inherited some of Charlie's spirit. Given this, it also makes sense why the car was at home in the forest, with the other magical beasts, because presumably that's what Charlie did as well.
I love your take!
However, the car's sentience is hinted at earlier, when Ron is kinda talking to the car - "Not too far now..." and the car groaning, shaking etc.
And if it becomes sentient AFTER the Whomping willow, the first thing it does is angrily ejecting Harry and Ron out of it, which is not a good behavior for a newly sentient machine lol
@@ambiverter @ambiverter For the first point, yes that's true, though maybe Arthur Weasley used another wand belonging to his late family to imbue the car with.
For the second point, imagine you are reincarnated or an inanimate object and suddenly gained sentience, then realise you are a car. First there is just the floating through the air and then you are violently attacked by a tree. I think anyone would freak out and get rid of the ones who got you in that position.
As for the sock I think you have to keep 2 things in mind. The first is that it is most likely one of either Dudley's or Vernon's old socks, but also that it might not be one of these tight fitting elastic socks, but could be a looser knitted type of sock. We know both Hermione and Dobby knits socks, and knitted socks are different from store bought elastic socks. Also once Harry mistakes his hat for his sock, either before some important Quidditch game or some time in Goblet (can't remember exactly), and even if you are distracted and can't think straight, it's a rather large mistake unless you usually have rather large socks, or very tiny hats.
A what if scenario I would really like to see the Carlin Brothers to explore is : What if Regulus have told about the cave's horcruxe to Dumbledore instead of taking care of it by himself ?
Or what if he’d gone to Sirius? Would Sirius have taken it straight to Dumbledore, or gone to check it out first?
I’ve always loved McGonagall’s reactions to the trio. When she finds out Harry shouted at Umbridge and called her a liar, she scolds him and warns him that they have to be careful because of where Umbridge comes from. But before she does, she says, ‘Have a biscuit,’ and offers the tin. Basically saying, ‘Way to go, Harry! You tell her!’ I wish we could have seen her reaction to finding out Lockhart’s Memory charm backfired when he used Ron’s broken wand. The whole staff may have thrown him a parade even though when we see him later in St. Mungo’s, he’s still signing autographs and he writes an autobiography, Who Am I? so it is possible he may know he is famous for something, he just doesn’t know why
Love her interactions with them in the films. One of my favourite lines in all the films is from HBP, after the necklace attack, and McGonagall asks them "Why is it that when something happens it is always you three?"
@@kayleighlehrman9566 ‘Believe me, Professor, I’ve been asking myself that for six years.’ - Ron
well I personally think the St. Mungo's chapter makes his fate terrible, even if ironic. He has basically permanent brain damage, he seem to even have problems forming new memories like a dementia patient. too eery. I would have preferred if we never would have met him again, as in that world he could have gotten better and realized the error of his ways and repented.
@@lauramarschmallow2922 True but I guess it goes to show narcissists never really learn that they were wrong or want to admit that they are in the wrong. True he can’t remember who he was and it is sad that he is in this eternal state of forgetfulness with nurses doting on him and fans continuing to send him letters which probably doesn’t help.
@@lauramarschmallow2922I feel like the outcome is fair when you consider the spell was intended for Ron and Harry and was probably just as strong had it not backfired considering he says they lost their minds at the sight of her body. Also the fact that he did this to himself. He had the wand in his hand and should have noticed the Spello Tape. He should have realized there was damage but he only cared about himself and his ego. I cant feel sorry for that. He would have condemned the boys to the same fate.
I always figured, the Nimbus line is like high end street cars (Porsche) and the Firebolts are equivalent to race cars, i.e. Formula 1. The speed shown at the World Cup shows that.
HEEEEEY brothers! I just realized that it will take over four years (when you include recap and off weeks) to go through the whole series.
Keep up the great work guys.
wow, i’m graduating high school now and will have a through the gryffindoor episode to listen to almost every week until i graduate college
I’m in college right now and it’s wild to think that I’ll be graduated when the podcast is over
Snogging is a british slang word for kissing, but it doesn't get used as much as it did in the time it was written because you're absolutely right; the word is gross.
I wouldn't say it is a gross word, more just a word that once you are out of your teens you never say or even really think so now as a grown up it is a really weird word that means nothing to you
@samhobbs9116 that's also a possibility for a lot of people. Personally I never liked it and thought it sounded gross to me bug I guess not everyone, to them it's just outdated slang
Haha! I love the concept of Dumbledore being like "Bruh, I won't even have to deal with you: Arthur Weasley will be MORE than happy to handle my light weight." Cause it's kind of true: we make a little fun of Arthur for being kind of flighty and eccentric, but he is GOOD at what he does, and he will heck you up given the chance and necessary motivation.
One book closer to The Goblet Of Fire…. When the story starts turning up 🔥🔥🔥
I always enjoyed GoF. We get the Quidditch World Cup, a terrorist attack, Port Keys, Floo Network, Tri-Wizard Tournament, introduction to two other schools which expands the universe, an imposter for a teacher, the freakin Pensieve, AND Voldy comes back! This book is packed with all sorts of goodies.
GoF is my favorite HP book, and it surprises me how unpopular that opinion is. To be fair, I didn't arrive at that opinion until I reread the books in my mid-20s.
I love GOF although HBP is my favorite. We have a running debate in my house though of which movie is worse. I say HBP is the worst because even though GOF is miles away from the book as far as accuracy and quality, it is still an entertaining movie where as HBP the changes and omissions they made created a movie that is almost unwatchable. Maybe it is just me but it is this dark angsty teenage love story with no background info on Voldemort. The book is amazing. Also Harry is an ass in the movie. “I am the chosen one”. I hate that line in the movie. Harry wasn’t like that in the books. He was also moody in that one too. In OOTP you get that he is moody because Voldemort is possessing him off and on but in HBP there really isnt a reason for him to just be super moody. I just hate that movie. My daughter feels that Goblet is worse.
@@occheermommy The fact that they cut out the Mr. Crouch plot makes GoF so much worse.
see you in november for start of GOF
Fun fact about brooms in the films:
They actually used leather straps to help the actors keep their legs bent during the Quidditch scenes in the earlier films and switched to metal footrests attached to the brooms to make postproduction easier
1. Dumbledore doesn’t put stock in the prophecy!! He precisely tells Harry that because *Voldemort* cares about the prophecy he uniquely makes Harry the only one who can beat him, that’s why Dumbledore helps Harry along the way.
2. Dumbledore DID think that Voldemort made horcruxes, he just didn’t have actual proof and didn’t know how many of them.
Well said!
Dumbledore has to put stock in the prophecy because he knows Voldemort puts stock in it.
Dumbledore believes the prophecy is real and that Voldemort’s actions made it happen but he doesn’t only put stock in the prophecy bc Voldemort does. Pretty sure he says that because Voldemort believes in the prophecy, it guarantees one of them will kill the other and that neither can live while the other survives. but that alone doesn’t mean no one else can kill him necessarily. The part that makes dumbledore believe that only Harry can kill him is “the one with the power to vanquish the dark lord” and “power the dark lord knows not”. which is love
THE FORD ANGLIA IS A LOVECRUX!!! I need this video now lol
How? Arthur Weasley didn't put his soul into it. I thought the theory was the powers had something to do with thestral hair / magic being used on the car
He put his heart and soul into the car when working on it, and it’s why Arthur really survived Nagini
New theory: The Ford Anglia originally belonged to a muggle. The muggle died in an accident in the car, and it's the muggle's soul that now brings the car to life (with the aid of some magic from Arthur).
XD I'm really in favour of a J va Ben: "British or wizzarding world?" !!!
In the next book, Snape uses Floo Powder to call Lupin down to his office.
That could be open internally in the castle, and still be guarded from external access
17:55 did anyone else just add “always” in their head after Ben said, “after all this time?” Just me? Okay. Cool. 😅
at one point it says, that Harry has to wear uncle Vernon's old socks. that would explain why they are so huge you can pack a whole book into it. xD
also I think when Dobby says "You shal not hurt Harry Potter. You shal leave." it is a form of magic. like he is compelling Lucious. It says house elf magic is incredibly powerful, as they can apparate inside of Hogwarts.
This is something that the HBO show could add to the series. A few background scenes of Dumbledore from the time of Fantastic Beasts that they never got to actually film.
The head is totally in the new location. In Goblet Molly feeds Amos Diggory toast when he pops over to tell them about Moody.
So it's like Splinching when Apparating - where the body parts are physically separated, but still magically connected. Only it is not painful, and magically enabled.
Like "not a bug, but a feature" !
@@ambiverter exactly. Also why did this make me think of Skyrim? Lol
I always figured that dumbledore knew Harry asked because if anyone else could have asked the hat to be put in gryffindor, it would have been dumbledore. He could have just as easily been sorted into ravenclaw, and even slytherin
But it's not necessary that Dumbledore was not Gryffindor material (at least for the hat) from the very beginning. Quite possible that his bravery outweighs his skills and ambitions, so the hat outright puts him in Gryffindor
But nice possibility of another potential connection between Dumbledore and Harry
Never even thought about Percy as a red herring until you guys mentioned it. He was always to much of a rule following git to even be near the suspect list in my eyes
Earlier this week I had the thought that Ron seeing Tom's award in the trophy room might have been part of Dumbledore's Big Plan. Obviously Dumbledore knew that it was actually Tom who opened the chamber back in 1942, and he'd absolutely have the power to remove that award (at least remove it from display, if not revoke it entirely). But then he might've had it put back out in the hopes that Ron might be able to see it and remember it for the golden trio's investigation.
And then I remembered that Harry and Ron's detentions are the first time Harry hears the basilisk in the walls, before the first attack, so Dumbledore couldn't have known about the chamber being reopened so it was a theory thread that went absolutely nowhere. Oh well.
Yeah but it was a good train of thought 👍🏼
It would be funny if they did a theory "what if Harry was expelled" :)
Did my own theory about it for every schoolyear.
Year 1 Voldemort Prime would not get the stone and Diary Voldemort would come back the next year.
Year 2 Diary Voldemort would come back.
Year 3 Buckbeak would die. Sirius would return to Harry right after escaping. Peter would still return to Voldemort prime.
Year 4 Voldemort would return with the blood other than Harry's.
Year 5 Harry would not be able to get the prophecy, Voldemort would not be revealed at the Ministary.
Year 6 Dumbledore would not know how many Horcruxes that were made, Dumbledore dies - Voldemort coner the UK and then the world.
@@WKP1996i dont think buckbeak does die since draco only gets injured trying to show off after harry is a natural
Just curious, Why do you think Voldemort would not be able to get Harry if he is expelled?
If anything, it should be easier for him without the castle's protection. He goes to impractical and elaborate lengths to plan a way to get Harry's blood even when he is so protected in the castle.
You'd think he wouldn't settle with anyone else's blood...
@@ambiverter Intresting, sure Harry is save to harm until he's 17 when at the Dursleys due to Petunia. But there can still be a plan from Voldy to portkey Harry away to the graveyard when he's outside of the Dursley house.
@@WKP1996 Hmm, and even he can disguise say Barty Crouch, as Arther or Vernon, to lure Harry out of his home
The part where Harry says he should be in slitherin after Dumbledore's speech is a great example of Harry assuming that he knows better than everyone else once he gets an idea in his head, and he does it all the time!! Phineas says it to him in book 5, Harry really has a tendency to think he above everyone else understand the bigger picture.
And even when Dumbledore or anyone else is trying to explain why he is wrong he still somehow twist that into them confirming his suspicions
Ya, Harry does have a Hero complex. And he does face the consequences of such dumb behavior, like going to the ministry, endangering his friends, and getting Sirius killed.
However, this flawed character makes him all the more relatable, especially to the teenager target audience, and hence a more lovable hero
Yeah in the movie the sock is in the diary so Lucius hands the diary to Dobby who then gets the sock from in the diary, so it ends up back in Harry and Dumbledores possession.
What If: Dumbledore employed Order members for Defense of the Dark Art every year? Extra Credit for Molly Weasley for year 5
Seriously whoever thought of this is brilliant, order of the Phoenix alone is 38 weeks of content
Yeah, I did the math today, they've got over three years of content to go. With 164 chapters in the next five books alone, plus the fact that they do breakdowns after each book and might even do more in-depth analysis videos along the way...they had a great idea here
My question/theory is what if the sorting hat sorts based on more than just what house you are in? Something i’ve always wondered is because so many characters fit 2 or more houses what if it sorts also based on whos already been sorted? Like it keeps track so a house doesn’t get too many new students and another house doesn’t get too few students
So, kids that come before in alphabetical order have more options?
@@Acromion11 its more like the hat has more freedom to place them, like for example maybe ron weasley in a different year is sorted into hufflepuff since theres too many gryffindors
@@Y-hr4nf because he is further down the alphabetic order so kids before him have more options. It would make more sense if the Hat checks on everyone once to see what it's working with
I always assumed Molly and Arthur just apparated to Hogsmeade lol
Honestly this is usually what I figure--you can't apparate to Hogwarts but you can totally go to Hogsmead and walk/fly/thestral-carriage up to the castle lol
Alright, I'm going to need a What If? video on what happens if the Dursleys abuse and Voldemort's soul come together and Harry not only goes into Slytherin, but IS the new Dark Lord all the Death Eaters thought he could be.
16:09 but are you really that surprised? Remember Harry summed up Quidditch pretty quickly to Collin Creevey in this same book 😂😂
In the book they say the ministry can moniter the Floo Network. I would think they would be looking for Sirius in the floo network
The chapter art and name of title is giving “Dobby’s ETERNAL reward”
I love how in a lot of these videos, the brothers come up with a video idea, but for us it’s just already out, so they’re like
“Keep an eye out for that one” and I’ve already seen it 😅
A great video idea between books would be a "didnt kmow it was british" where you find every item, slang or culture situation you didnt understand or assumed it was magic and use british peoples comments to find the ansswer. Eg: like colin bringing harry grapes in hospital.
It seems to me that the diary is different because it's uniquely capable of communicating. Ginny told it about Harry and the downfall of the Dark Lord and that is what prompted it to take action, whereas the others have no obvious means of gaining information and simply sit there like they're supposed to
The sorting hat is a Gryffindor artifact. In one of the songs, the hat says Gryffindor took the hat off his head and enchanted it
21:15 In regards to the prophecy, Harry is now part of the prophecy and is the only one who can kill Tom because Tom put stock in the prophecy.
Love the show keep it up hope you see this
You mention the Ford Anglia and the possibility of it having a brain/onboard computer. This gave me a thought. Could it be that (though enchanted) with the car being a piece of muggle technology, it went haywire and effectively "feral" due to its proximity to Hogwarts and exceptionally high concentrations of magic? Isn't that a confined phenomenon?
Possibly, but electricity just doesn't work really well near magic, so Weasleys being fully magical, and Fred and George being as explosive with their magic as they usually are, the Anglia should have been protected somewhat from such magical interference.
Probably by Mr Weasley himself.
The simplest explanation is that the car already had a bit of sentience, and was just angry with Ron for driving the whole day and finally crashing into the most violent tree in the world. So it abandoned them and ran away.
Maybe it then grew wild, as all things do in the wild.
What is funny to me is that neither Ron nor Arthur later try to retrieve it back. And what would happen if they try? I like to think it would've returned if they had asked for forgiveness, and made some promises to take more care of the car or smth lol
Traveling through floo powder always seemed like a form of apparating for those that couldn’t. It makes sense that sticking one’s head in the fireplace is a safe form of splinching, imo.
I exactly thought of that now !
Quick question: since the chapters are being talked about on tour, will there be some kind of recording for the TH-cam? Obviously not the whole show, but the specifically podcast part of it?
I believe that's the intention. Like when they recorded an episode of Popcorn Culture from Go Fest :)
I mean why wouldn’t they?
Would make sense to upload them. Otherwise, you're cutting out HUGE amount of content
I believe they still intend to upload the podcast as usual, but just with a live audience this time.
You know I Had the same exact question because if not, we're going to miss out on A LOT of the third book simply because we don't live in those cities/can't afford to go.
Considering that Lucius throws away the diary and Dobby catches it, I believe that it wasn’t that hard for Dumbledore to get his hands on it since Dobby literally works for him about a year later and considering how much his freedom meant to him, I can’t see a scenario where he throws away the diary i.e. the thing around which his freedom was literally wrapped.
In the books, I believe Lucius doesn't throw the diary, just the sock, which Dobby catches
@@ambiverter Ah okay, I only read the books once in English (but many times in my language) so it might got lost in translation. This kind of details always confuse me a little lol. Our translator did a superb job but there's some things that just won't be 100% the same.
Everything about Harry and the petronus after 1:16 is exactly improvisation skills- falling backwards into your ability.
I know this has been mentioned before, but the idea of having a house elf that can do your chores and stuff, but you cant make them do your laundry sounds like a real waste...
I think it is also possibile that the sword of Gryffindor first appeared to Dumbledor when he was still a student himself. I would actually love a series on Dumbledor during his time as a student in Hogwarts. I think it´s not often talked about within the fandom.
I think he was on the Quidditch team as a first year like Harry, wasn´t he already in contact with Flamel as a student too and the last triwizard tournament might have been during his time as well.
If I remember correctly Molly even feeds Amos Diggory a piece of toast when he appears in the Burrow’s fireplace to talk to Arthur.
Hey, brothers! Already left two comments on the previous vid, so I'm spreading a bit.
Anyway, as a non-native English speaker, I read the books in Dutch because I have them in Dutch. I have a whole bunch of books, taking up a fair bit of space, so getting translations is not a priority. Though I do think I miss out on things. You guys have actually helped a lot in me learning the English names and terms!
Now, as to Fawkes and how helpful he was! I reckon Dumbledore somehow communicated to him to bring the Sorting Hat to Harry. Clawing the Basilisk's eyes out... is actually quite possibly not the deliberate move it's made out to be. I read somewhere birds of prey often go for the eyes. An eagle may have done the exact same thing, if it'd had the courage to attack a Basilisk. But then... the diary. Even Dumbledore wouldn't really know how important the diary was, so what gives? Well, you know how animals seem to sense disaster? Fleeing from volcanic eruptions or earthquakes before they even hit? I think phoenixes can develop a magic(ally)(,) enhanced version of this. Fawkes didn't understand what the diary was, but he did know it was bad and should be destroyed. Instinct.
You guys theorize that When voldemore took harry's blood He accidentally turned him into a lovecrux for harry. So what if because of the amount of passion and time and love Arthur poured into the Ford it Created something similar to the sacrificial love charm. But not as powerful and when it got attacked by the whomping Willow the charm activated to protect the car Which is why it immediately threw Harry and ron out because it saw them as the Indirect cause of its damage. But because a little bit of Arthur's soul is in there. It will always have his desire to protect his family. Which is why it immediately comes to Ron's aid when it hears him screaming in the forest. Arthur weasley accidentally created a lovecrux.
Is it possible that the marking of Harry as Voldemort's equal comes not by his wanting to get rid of Harry by killing him but by noticing that there are a lot of similarities between them? That would explain Dumbledore's remarking of the fact and I feel it's actually peculiar that Tom, who thinks he's unique and above anyone else, would compare himself to anyone
English is not my first language, I hope what I mean is clear
Dobby's line "it was a clue" suggests that house elves are very literally in the way they talk about things, which is why Lucius giving Dobby a sock allows Dobby to be free.
It seems like house elves are bound to their masters by some sort of magic, but the magical bond follows house elf interpretation of speech which is just more literal than human interpretation.
The reason I think dumbledoor is so surprised that Tom riddle says he and Harry had a lot of similarities is because in half blood prince he tells Harry “Voldemort hates anything that likens him to other people” or something like that even so much that riddle hates knowing that Tom from the leaky cauldron has the same name as him. So I think it shocked dumbledoor that riddle would compare himself to Harry
Great catch!
Listening to y'all discuss how two Voldemorts would talk to each other, makes me think of Boris the Animal in Men in Black 3 how they argue with each other or any other instance when the villain time travels and argues with their younger selves. Even a hero insult himself in Heroes tv show when Hiro Nakamura calls his younger self an idiot after younger Hiro leaves.
Basically, I love to hear the two Voldemorts argue as it that is a comical scene.
It’s funny that Ben said he is overly wordy and J said he does it so he covers all his bases. I am so like Ben. I feel like I read so many comments that I cant tell for sure which direction they are trying to go because they are so brief and I try and narrow mine down but I hate that so I really try and explain things completely
People with adhd are often misunderstood and tend to be wordy after learning through life so many times, having people miss understand them. So they over word it hoping people get what they're saying.
(Not that you do or don't but Ben does and I relate as well. It's just a fun common experience )
@@brookchristy8311 thats funny because I have ADHD. I wasn’t diagnosed until I was an adult. So I find it funny that you said that. I completely relate.
Here's a question I've been chewing on for a while: in PoA, when Harry and Hermione have gone back in time and are waiting outside the whomping willow, there is a line that explicitly talks about the moon being up and going in and out between clouds. Somehow, however, it isn't until after Lupin exits the tree that he transforms. To my mind, this begs the question: in this universe, what is it that actually triggers the transformation if not the actual moon rise? If it were actually being exposed to moonlight, you would think that werewolves could simply hide in a windowless room for that period and be fine.
I think it might be the "realisation" that it is full moon.
But of course, we haven't been given enough information to completely understand how werewolf transformations work.
I think the sword could change size, but even in the books, everyone who sees it can recognize it, regardless of who it appears to. The implication being that it always looks like it's original form. Im short, it could probably fit itself to it's summoner, but the sword is always the sword.
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Guys, I often listen to this podcast on Spotify every Sunday with a re-listen on Mondays or Tuesdays, but have never know what I was missing in the way of the visualizations. I happen to have about an hour's window to open this podcast to watch and was more than amused, and now want to start from the very beginning with Episode 0 all on TH-cam. Not sure when this will start, but I wanted to take a moment to tank you guys for providing me with such valuable entertainment when mowing the lawn, vacuuming all floors in the house, and/ or when being forced to completed general chores.
Also, I have absolutely enjoyed every "what if" and every theory posed backed with reasonable evidence.
If the house elves are described as more powerful than wizards, I realized that it would technically be possible that Order of the Phoenix members, aurors or Death Eaters could summon the house elves to duel with their opponents as a some kind of support. Would be cool to watch!
But that would not be morally right, putting a creature in harm's way just because it is powerful...
So being noble, they won't think of "using" elves that way, and the bad guys don't give them enough credit as is, so they wouldn't do this either...
The elves are safe from duels for now 😌
I think that there is something that you are missing when it comes to expulsion-fear:
1. Yes, Harry is clearly concerned about having to go back to the Dursleys. No disagreement.
2. Yes, to a KID reading the books, "expelled" sounds like really bad, and that fear works for young readers, BUT...
3. Apparently, a witch or wizard getting expelled from Hogwarts suffers more than just embarrassment: their wand gets snapped. As with Hagrid:
> He cast a sideways look at Harry under his bushy eyebrows.
> “Be grateful if yeh didn’t mention that ter anyone at Hogwarts,” he said. “I’m - er - not supposed ter do magic, strictly speakin’. I was allowed ter do a bit ter follow yeh an’ get yer letters to yeh an’ stuff - one o’ the reasons I was so keen ter take on the job -”
>“Why aren’t you supposed to do magic?” asked Harry.
> “Oh, well - I was at Hogwarts meself but I - er - got expelled, ter tell yeh the truth. In me third year. They snapped me wand in half an’ everything. But Dumbledore let me stay on as gamekeeper. Great man, Dumbledore.”
> “Why were you expelled?”
>“It’s gettin’ late and we’ve got lots ter do tomorrow,” said Hagrid loudly.
I think that the students -- especially the younger ones -- are aware of the fact that getting expelled means that their legal use of magic will be restricted for the rest of their lives.
Actually that's a harrowing thought. How many Obscurials do you think that might create if the Ministry keeps expelled students from ever practicing magic again?
@@Boundwithflame23well you could still practice magic just not
Well. And the obsurious comes from suppression so I don't think just not using it would be the same. It would have to be intentional suppression.
I have always thought this as well. Unless hagrids wand was snapped for the illegal spider? For breaking a law outside of school issues?
But I believe it says somewhere that you can't have a wand if you havent graduated a school... but Fred and George dip and get to keep their wands.
@@brookchristy8311I was thinking more along the lines of they’d legally no longer be allowed to do magic ever again after being expelled. Or at least until age 17. Looking to Hagrid saying he’s not really supposed to except for what Dumbledore gave him permission to do (though we know he’s secretly using it for other things too while working at Hogwarts plus being half giant I suppose the chances of him being an obscurial would be a lot lower) So they would kinda be forced to supress it so they don’t get into further trouble
The Dursleys would absolutely make Harry suppress his magic
@@Boundwithflame23 the Dursley's can try but it's up to the person to do.
Hagrid would have been expelled for wizard law in addition to school related issues. (It wasn't his first time in trouble, and they went after him hard because he's half giant so he was 'an easy target')
Fred and George leave and just go open a joke shop.
You can do magic with even just as stick or yourself (once you've learned) so I could see the ministry being like no wands but ... whatever magic you can do on your own is your problem. (And Hagrid can't do wandless magic)
If you're American itd be like we're taking your license but ... hey you can drive certain mopeds and four wheelers. (Just my opinion)
I think it COULD lead to
Obsurials but I think it's up to the person to suppress and hate their own Magic' opposed to just knowing you can't/ or won't. Like Harry doesn't use magic knowingly or with Dursley permission for 10 years but he isn't one. Because he didn't hate and suppress it. Even though he was told to hate magic.
Long version short; I believe this is a valid point that gets over looked a lot. However I think the wand snapping is for law breaking bc otherwise Fred and George would have theirs broken too. And all the kids that stayed home 7th year would be risking it too.
And I believe the wand breaking COULD lead to obscures, much like being fired from work COULD lead to a (real) depression (not just a sadness).
At the start I was like ARGH, THIS IS GOING TO TAKE SOOO LONG. But two books completed, I'm like AAAH, THIS IS GOING TOO QUICK. Great content!
Listener from Austria... Love all the theory crafting and narration.
I posed myself many questions over the years, but one that popped into my head when listening to this chapter was: "Hermione captures Rita Skeeter as animagus-bug in an indestructible glass during GOF... What if Dumbledore did something similar to the weaker-than-the-meanest-mist form of voldemort (since he appears to know where he is at the moment)."
Interesting!
I don't know if he could though.
He certainly doesn't try that as far as we know, but finding a mist vapour in the forests seems a boring job. Also, I don't know if you can contain souls without using dark magic like horcruxes, so I don't think you can stop him from escaping unlike a Physical Bug in a jar.
Not to mention Voldemort is far far more cunning and smart than Reeta Skeeter. Reeta also didn't know that somebody aka Hermione knew she was animagus. But I think Voldemort will be actively on guard against Dumbledore
Ok, so the car and broomstick thing- ive always gotten the feeling that magic itself brings things to life, and its the concentration that makes the difference. A lot of things that are heavily enchanted seem to come to life. Look at the castle, it might not get up and walk away, but its got the staircases, the knights, peeves, etc.
As for the footrests on broomsticks, theres a very good reason for them. In safety harnesses, theyve started to install foot-rest straps into them because the longer you hang just supported by your groin and not your feet, the more blood rushes to your legs, and it can become fatal. Footrests on brooms would basically serve the same purpose of keeping you supported while preventing the blood pooling effects.
I don't know if this is known, but just looking at the pictures, it seems like the prop Neville is using in Deathly Hallows part 2 is a bigger Sword or Gryffindor than Harry uses in Chamber or Secrets (they look relatively about the same size, but I assume Neville is significantly larger than Harry was in Chamber of Secrets). But it's difficult to assertain. Although when Neville uses it looks likes a reasonable sized sword. In fantasy swords are often way too big, particularly considering this sword would have been made during the early middle ages, when 2 handed swords just weren't a thing. It is surprisingly narrow for a blade of that period though, but maybe the goblin steel is so strong and sharp it doesn't need the weight.
I like the way they did in the movie better with the sock in the book cuz it makes more sense because he was actually presented it in a way. And also we got the book as well
Will you be live streaming the tour?? I have college class the day you are in my area so I couldn’t attend in person but I’d live to see it!
I've been trying to ask them this since they first announced the tour. I've gotta imagine we'll at least get a recorded version of the live shows on YT still, but I'd feel better knowing for sure.
What if Hermione was the only one calling Harry over summer (maybe because the Weasleys weren't able to use a telephone after all), and Dudley found out about Harry being talking to a girl? At this age he might have tried to tease him about it. Might have had the effect like in the "What if Harry was in Slytherin" series where Malfoy asks him about their relationship, planting the thought in his mind.
I was very busy with college and unfortunately haven’t been able to listen to the podcast since CoS chapter 3. Now that I’ve finished college for the year, I’ve been bingeing the podcast, and it’s been fun hearing them come up with theories or ideas for videos that I know they then make a video about on SCB lol. Example in this episode: the single most important line in the series.
Dumbledore says, "You happen to have many qualities that Salazar Slytherin prized in his hand-picked students. His own rare gift, parseltounge - resourcefulness - determination - a certain disregard for rules," Does this mean that salazar slytherin didn't really care about rules? I think this fits in so well with the view of Slytherin that you guys have created for the Hogwarts founders series!
In Half Blood they travel back to Hogwarts via Floo Network. The books says, “The Ministry had arranged this one-off connection to the Floo Network to return students quickly and safely to the school.”
I genuinely can't believe four months have already passed since the beginning of CoS. It's really trippy to think about how much has happened in my personal life since then... and how TtGD has always been there! I'm reeeally looking forward for three(ish) more years of it
"your politeness commands the room" - what a great way of looking at it. Also, i wish that it was more common...
Being in the floo network DOES seem like a huge security flaw - Dumbledore must've done it on purpose...
"yes, but I like all of them - I'm like a word hoarder" me too, Ben, me too!
It doesn't matter that Harry & Dumbledore don't put stock in the prophecy, Voldemort *does*, and he's forcing their hands
During filming, the broomsticks had large soft bicycle seats attached them.
I think the brothers need to do a sponsored sit on a broom (without any comfortable seats or footrests) for charity, lets see how long they can stay on there lol
Voldemort needed to worry more about being expelled. Harry uses EXPELiarmus against him.
Lmao
I've always thought the author did not have it planned out that Voldemort cursed the defense against the dark arts position, the way they talk about it in the earlier books definitely does not imply that they have had a new teacher every year for 40 years
Really it seems like quirrel had been a teacher for a while before Harry's st year
@@kalebzerger301 Her name is JK Rowling. Use it!!
You are right!
When Harry asks Percy on the very first day "Who is sitting beside Quirrell?" (It was Snape) Percy exclaims "Oh you've met Quirrell already?!" Meaning Percy knows Quirrell!
Even Hagrid knows him well when they meet at the Leaky Cauldron.
And I can't think of any other subject Quirrell might've taught before that.
Here is a thought. Voldemort was inactive for 10 years after his defeat at Harry's house, right? And we know from Hagrid that many people cane out of trances (aka Imperius curse) as his power broke. So is it possible that the jinx on the DADA position also broke at that time?
And when Voldy returned to the castle with Quirrell, he might've reactivated the jinx (maybe unintentionally)
Dobby promises harry here to never help him save his life again. And the next time Dobby actually saves harry’s life from the Malfoy manor, Dobby dies 😰 All the other times in between book 2 and 7 where Dobby helped his life, it was just little helps, not related to Harry’s life. Like following Draco for information , giving him the gillyweed to complete or finding the room of requirement to train. am I the only thinking this makes the death of Dobby even more sad?
I love Ben's one off line: "something he used to believe in."
One thing that I just thought when reading Prisoner to my kids. At the end with timerturner stuff, Harry and Hermione are hiding in the closet very close to earlier trio, so why on earth does Lupin not see extra Harry and Hermione on Marauders map? I think no video ever by anybody has addressed that issue! Please Supercarlinbrothers take this up!
Is it possible that Lupin, being a teacher, knew about Hermione's time turner?
Or he might've known that there was lot of strange things going on that night, and simply didn't have time to think about "potential malfunction" of the map, or whatever.
Or he may figured it out by seeing the doubles, that one of them must have a time turner.
@@ambiverter In a way, possibly, but then again, I dont think those arguments would work. Because Lupin said he was watching them closely. So seeing extra Harry and Hermione would definetely something he would investigate.
@@joonaslaitinen9520 Good point...
Maybe it is something about the time turners, that mess with the plottability of the map??
I know I am pulling wild explanations out of my a** lol...
Maybe it's simply a plot hole, that Rowling didn't catch
I love this series, it’s amazing your knowledge and dedication to this series. I love seeing the new notification every Sunday. It’s amazing when we all started watching this from day one to now. I can’t express my love and gratitude for this show. Thank you so much.
Always a Great Sunday Morning ☀️
Or afternoon in Sweden 😅
@@WKP1996 Shout out to Sweden ‼️
I always believed if Lucius tried another stunt like what he had done, Dumbledore would have killed him.
Dumbledore doesn't kill, I don't think.
Maybe put him in Azkaban via Ministry
@@ambiverter Generally I think you are correct. In this one case however, I think Dumbledore was VERY VERY close to making an exceptionl
The movie depiction of the nimbus 2000 did have foot rests. I mean even with cushioning charm imagine sitting on something with your legs dangling for extended periods of time, real uncomfortable.
Fun fact: There is an error in the Danish version. it is that Gryffindor wins the Quidditch Cup for the 2nd time in a row
34:47 I mean DUMBLEDORE fell for it when he found the ring.
I feel the reason he was able to use the sword to destroy the ring was because he may have believed he was going to destroy the resurrection stone as well and had the courage to go threw with it. Love is the most powerful magic ❤
The writer is J.K.Rowling. Also enjoyed this series and the extra insights you mention with each chapter. Real food for thought
Thank you for another great episode! It feels like yesterday when I started listening to this podcast every Sunday on my way to university, and now you're done with book 2 already. Question: Do you think the part of Voldemort inside Harry boosts Harry's skill a bit? We know he gained the ability to talk to snakes because of it, could it also be the reason for Harry's prowess in DADA?