Chapter 15: Aragog | Chamber of Secrets
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ก.ค. 2024
- Join J and Ben as they dive into Chapter 15 of the Chamber of Secrets and discuss spiders, Hermione’s vitalness, Snape’s sneaky goodness, werewolves in the forest, the Ford Anglia, quest symbology, and the worst scene ever.
GET YOUR THROUGH THE GRIFFIN TOUR TICKETS HERE: supercarlinbrothers.com/events/
Tour Dates:
Boston - 6/2
New York City - 6/3
Philadelphia - 6/5
Washington, D.C. - 6/13
Relevant Links:
The Knight Bus's BIG SECRET - • The Knight Bus's BIG S...
Chamber of Secrets Alternate Covers - www.harrypotterfanzone.com/bo...
Listen on Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast...
Listen on Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/062Ypac...
Listen on Amazon: music.amazon.com/podcasts/4a5...
Listen on Google: www.google.com/podcasts?feed=...
Follow us on twitter: / griffindoorpod
Follow SCB on Instagram: / carlinbrothers
Follow SCB on TikTok: www.tiktok.com/@super_carlin_...
Want more Harry Potter content?
Harry Potter Theories ►► • Harry Potter | Super C...
Dumbledore’s Big Plan ►► • Dumbledore's BIG Plan ...
What If Harry Was in Slytherin ►► • What If Harry Was In S...
Chapters:
00:00 - Intro and Chapter Art
14:07 - Chapter Breakdown
1:08:37- Closing Thoughts and Review
Edited by :: Ethan Edghill
#ThroughtheGriffinDoor #HarryPotter #SuperCarlinBrothers
Alternate theory: Tom Riddle disguised himself and gifted the spider egg to Hagrid before he even opened the Chamber of Secrets. This was to create a scape goat for when he opened the Chamber. He used this same technique to tell Quirrell how to get the secret about Fluffy.
That's possible, after all creating scapegoats is his main MO (the elf "killing" Hepzibah Smith)
Honestly, hearing you talk about the car makes me wish it'd come back in Deathly Hallows, just running down Death Eaters during the battle of Hogwarts.
That would be fantastic!
😂😂😂
I wrote that exact thing happening in one of my fanfictions😂
If Myrtle was crying in the bathroom her glasses could have been off
And then, when she heard a voice, she put on her glasses, but her sight has been blurred due to crying.
Oh come one, I just thought of that while listening and now someone else already thought of that, that's annoying xD
I think that if she had not been wearing her glasses then she would not have been able to see clearly, and then she would have only been petrified. The glasses correct vision. The moment a person looks through glasses when the dont need them their vision is distorted. But the vision of a person who needs glasses is distorted when they arent wearing them. So if harry looked at the basilisk through his glasses he would have died, without them he would have become petrified.
I honestly feel that the intelligence of the Ford Anglia shows that Arthur Weasley is low-key one of the greatest artificers in the Wizarding World. It's just that no one (especially himself) ever realized it.
That is one thing that I love about the Weasleys. They are the most magically powerful family in Britain, but either they don't know it or just don't care.
Heck, that only grows later, as powerful sorcerers marry into the family; Hermione, Harry, Fleur...
‘I will only be gone till none here are loyal to me’ it’s bittersweet as Harry remembers and states that line to Rufus scrimgeor at Dumbledore’s funeral 😢
Here is the thing about Myrtle. She was not at Hogwarts for several decades after she died. Her whole reason for coming back as a ghost was to haunt Olive Hornby. She was driving her old bully up the wall, and even did something disastrous at Olive's brother's wedding. It wasn't until Olive made a complaint to the Spirit Division at the Ministry that she came back to Hogwarts and started to haunt the girl's restrooms. Chances are Dumbledore never realized the bathroom ghost was the Myrtle who Voldemort murdered.
Dumbledore tracked down the ministry employee who went to the Gaunts. Aint no way Myrtle being outside of Hogwarts would stop him, and no there is no way he didnt know who died.
@@thorthewolf8801 Not everyone who dies becomes a ghost. And if the ghost heads off to another part of the world like Myrtle did, you wouldn't readily know that it was the same spirit.
@@robertgronewold3326Dumbledore would know who died. Dumbledore would have knowledge about the ghosts of Hogwarts.
You can make an argument for a younger Albus not realising Myrtle had become a ghost, though it’s highly unlikely that as Headmaster he never made the connection that a ghost named Moaning Myrtle who haunts a girls toilet wasn’t the same girl who was killed.
Therefore the only solution is he knows exactly what is attacking and has already confirmed his suspicions from Myrtle, perhaps he even has some measure of control over the situation though is giving Harry the opportunity to solve this challenge himself as another test/learning experience on the path to defeating Voldemort.
The parts Dumbledore may not be aware of is who it is that’s opening the chamber or that the entrance is in that very same girls toilet Myrtle haunts.
He’s overall a good person though there’s no need to paint Albus as completely without faults, he’s a very complex character with a lot of burdens to bear and a lot of very logical guesswork on a grand scheme of events on how to defeat the darkest wizard of the time.
Dumbledore may have known the whole time. He consistently proves that he knows more about what’s going on than he lets on.
I would say this chapter has one of the most chilling lines in the series. " But I cannot deny them fresh meat, when it wanders so willingly into our midst, goodbye, friend of hagrid."
The single most chilling line happens in the fifth book said by Dumbledore but we'll get there when we get there
“It was foolish of you to come here tonight, Tom.”
now I wanna know
talk about a cliffhanger
It was terrifying playing the original PC Chamber of Secrets game when the spider would bellow BITE HIM MY CHILDREN on repeat.
Love the thestral car theory. It doesn't have to "be" a thestral. Mr Weasley put the flying and invisibility charms on the car. It may have required thestral hair to be essentially wired into it, giving the car another similarity to the Elder Wand.
“I believe you but I’m not taking your advice” is basically Dumbledore’s response to Harry’s complaints about Snape LOL
Dumbledore had more important things to worry about than Harry complaining about Snape. Greater good and all that.
*Aragog and Shelob fighting over who's scarier*
Ungoliant: Hold my light.
(If you know you know)
Yes and also Shelob would eat Aragog for breakfast, no contest
Is "hold my light" supposed to be a reference to how she drank the light of the Two Trees in Valinor?
@@fionarodgers4806 Yes.
Who would win Saturn from one piece or ungoliant?
I think Aragog wasn’t blind when Hagrid raised him, that’s why he also was afraid by the basilisc. Aragog went blind because he is very old. He got old age cataract.
Or maybe self induced blindness for protection?
@@quanmaryce37that’s an interesting theory tbh. I can see that happening.
He was blinded when Tom riddle tried to kill him
@@abortz0907na, he wouldn't have gotten out of the castle then.
@@abortz0907i too always assumed aragog was blinded by tom riddle’s attack (a flash of light too bright for a spider?) and he escaped using his senses (smelling and touch)
Myrtle was not in the Hogwarts after her death, she was haunting Olive Hornby, and only after Olive's complaint to the Ministry, she came back to Hogwarts - we don't know, how many years have passed after her death. Most of the people might not even know, that she was there and she was the victim from the past.
If seeing the reflection of the basilisc’s stare prevents instant death, it would be logical that being blind prevents all the basilisc’s stare effects.
Is it possible Penelope Clearwater figured out it was basilisk with the help of Hermione? Penelope being a 6th year Ravenclaw Head Girl probably is pretty knowledgeable.
It is clearly mentioned in the book that Hermione told her that it was a basilisk, and to look around the corners with a mirror. If I am not mistaken, it was Penelope's mirror they both used
43:20 - In defense of Lockhart, he wasn't so much as lying about knowing more about Hagrid's arrest than Ron so much as he was...mistaken. Presumably, he knows what all the Teachers know about the arrest, as i don't see why they'd be kept in the dark, and the Teachers should know more than any student as it was a grown-up matter in the middle of the night and not a public event. Ron shouldn't know as much as he does as he shouldn't have even been out of bed when it happened, but since no one knew his invisible self was present they'd of course assume they know more than him. Snape or Mcgonnagal could've made the same statement and it'd have been less a lie and more them being mistaken. Regardless, great series. Most excellent.
Weird thought: Spiders have eight legs. Snakes have none. Do spiders run from the Basilisk because a spider stole its legs?
Thanks guys. Every Sunday morning. I get excited cause i know a new episode of Through the Griffin Door is coming out.
I usually forget, go golfing, then remember when I’m putting my pajamas on at noon. Perfect timing!
I always suddenly realise in the middle of the day and I get so excited
It's nice to know that we have this to look forward to for the next few years
I work every Sunday morning at 6am, I show up an hour or so before work so I can listen to the podcast while I eat breakfast. (Unfortunately the video version releases later, but the spotify ver is up wayyy earlier. It's dark, cozy and something I look forward to every weekend morning.
@@jackmcconnell5546that’s the perfect spooky time to listen to stories about magic
I think glasses are special cases in Harry Potter. McGonagall and Skeeter have their glasses appear in the pattern of their animal form. Glasses are also considered one of the first human augmentations, which means you can consider them to be part of the wearer.
This makes me wonder if Moody could be petrified if he accidentally locked eyes with the basilisk through a wall.
That's a great food for thought !
For the car being alive, in Japanese folk lore there are Tsukumogami - if an object is loved and well cared for enough it will come alive.
The only fly in the ointment is that it requires the object to reach 100 years old. But I can see a scenario where Arthur Weasley put so much magic, love, and adoration into the care that it supercharged the process.
I love this theory! ❤
Hey Brothers! Enjoyed today's dive. I always thought that Mr. Weasley put a powerful protection charm on the car to protect his family. And this why the car had allegiance to Ron and since he was treated like family, Harry. I could be wrong, but that was my thought.
For the first time I just realized that 50 years ago when the chamber was first opened, there was also a series of attacks before ending in a murder. Yet when they first found Mrs. Norris, Dumbledore didn’t seem to immediately know she was petrified, so what happened with the other attacks 50 years ago, if they didn’t petrify people nor kill them?
Maybe they were petrified too, and Dumbledore was ruling out other possibilities of death/magically frozen, before concluding that she was indeed petrified.
Thank you guys for doing this. Trauma survivors need a sense of familiarity in what we watch & listen to most of the time, but we crave something new. You two and the story are familiar, yet you bring up stuff that makes it new at the same time. Best Podcast Ever!
I think that's why this has become such a comfort show for me. I'm excited for their new episodes but love the familiarity of the story and these two brothers I've been following for years :D
They give Malfoy to much credit about being a decent person over all. In the Half Blood Prince he was still calling Hermoine a MudBlood, kicked Harry in the face, was learning occulamency to keep secrets from Snape. In the Battle of Hogwarts he was trying to capture Harry and deliver him to the Dark Lord. Malfoy even married a pure blood. His mom didn’t care about people getting tortured or murdered, as long as Draco was fine.
Fully agree, Malfoys are not good people, they don't turn on Voldemort becuse they change their world views they turn becuse Voldemort in power was no longer beneficial to them and they only truly do it when it is clear Voldemort will lose. If Lucius hadn't failed in Order of the Phoenix they wouldn't be scared in the slightest, maybe Draco would be but as you mention he stiil seemed to hold the same beliefs as his parents and yes that is partily due to how he was raised but the moment he went to Hogwarts his parents were no longer the only influence he had and he had every opportunity to chalenge the views he had been raised with (like Sirius and Andromeda did). Draco had been given a chance over and over again to make the right choice and never took it (hesitating is not the same), his last spoken line (excluidng Cursed Child) is literally him telling a Death Eater "I'm Draco Malfoy, I'm Draco, I'm on your side!".
Yeah . Malfoy is really popular because of Tom Felton who seems to be the nicest person but JK herself said malfoy is not a good person at all
Totally agree
Draco as a character deserved better, I think. He wasn't a great person, but he was also a teenager who was surrounded by his family's beliefs.
Dudley got better. Draco could too.
I do agree overall they aren’t the best family though I do feel Draco does deserve a shot at redemption and I hope the tv series does change the story enough to allow the character to be seen as actively fighting against Voldermort in the end.
"I have safety googles" cracked me up for a few minutes... Not something I think my family wanted to hear at 1:30am while they were sleeping but i couldn't stop. Thank you J and Ben ( :
The basilisk hating the spider webs is every person who has to dust their homes 😅
I keep walking into them =_=. Since I'm the tall one, I tend to walk into the stands of silk across the leaves between trees
Here's a theory for you guys: Harry can't see thestrals until his 5th year, but the dementors cause him to relive his parents' murders in (eventual) detail as if he saw them. So was it HIS worst memory that was being brought up, OR was it VOLDEMORT'S worst memory (via horcrux) being brought to the surface, and if that's the case, how is the Dork Lord able to stand being around dementors at all??
But DO we see Voldemort anywhere near Dementors?
Or maybe he has figured out some other form of protection against them (I can't imagine him using the Noble Patronus charm)
@@ambiverter the closest we come, I think, to seeing any Dementors near Voldemort himself is the Battle of Hogwarts. Otherwise, i think when Harry, Ron, and Hermione raid the ministry in Hallows is the only other time we see Dementors in proximity to Death Eaters at all, let alone Voldy. You could maybe count Macnair in Prisoner, when he's at Hogwarts to execute Buckbeak at the same time as dementors but i wouldn't
I always wonder if, after the series concludes, Hogwarts has an issue with giant spiders. By then, the basilisk is dead AND Aragog is dead. We spend most of book 7 away from the school and when we are there it's all battle, so it's hard to tell from that, but presumably with those two barriers removed it would be plausible that his children would start attacking the school lol. At the very least, it probably went from "pretty dangerous" to "an outright death sentence" to enter the forest
It never fails to amaze me how you guys are able to explain why things are missing through the story instead of just saying the writer/writers just forgot or hadn't come up with something yet. Excellent stuff as always!!
Always the first thing I do when I wake up on my first day off work :D
Point about glasses vs blindness when it comes to the Basilisk........
Prescription glasses are meant to help you see better, meaning that the Basilisk is more effective in it's killing. Realistically, if Harry/Murtle faced the Basilisk WITHOUT their glasses, then they'd actually be more protected, because the Basilisk would be more distorted. Think about it, all the petrifications were because of the Basilisk's image being distorted in some way..... Harry and Murtle are wearing things that actively reverse that distortion.
P.S: Ben's glasses wouldn't help of hinder in Basilisk based confrontation, because they are fake, and wouldn't affect it in any way..... unless they were SUPER smudged/dirty
I don't think Ben even has lenses on his glasses, so literally useless.
But also, what if you were wearing mirror sunglasses? Would you die and the basilisk be petrified?
I think Myrtle made too much of a nuisance of herself following her death. Remember she specifically haunted Olive Hornby for decades, even going to weddings and possibly other events to mess with her. She was forced by the Ministry to come back to the school, and by that time people would have forgotten about her. It’s not like it was really widely known that the CoS had opened before, and all of her classmates would have long since left the school.
This episode when you mentioned the key it made me realize something I never connected the dots on before.
You often mention how obviously weak the security of fluffy's door is, and that if Umbridge can lock her door in a way allohomora won't wotk, surely Dumbledore can. Which is obviously true, but actually we don't need to go all the way to 5th book to see it possible. In the philosopers stone itself, one of the trails is the flying keys, and that door can not be opened by magic. And when they find the right key, it has one of the wings damaged because Quirrel caught it before. Which means that even Voldemort didn't know the magic to force it open, this is the level of security Dumbledore could have locked Fluffy behind, if he wanted to
I have been a fan of this podcast from the beginning, I wanted to tell you that my four week old Great Grandson loves to listen to you guys too. He will calm down and listen to you when he is upset and crying. I believe it is the tone of your voices. Keep up the good work and my Great Grandson and I will continue to watch and listen to you.
Funny story, when I was a kid, I had this imaginary friend who would always have a monster with him from whatever piece of media I was the most interested in at the time to serve as a bodyguard whilst he was running round fighting bad guys, and after he’d dispensed with the omnidroid and the dalek that he’d built (but before he’d created an inter dimensional portal to Avalar in order to hoick Spyro into our universe), he bred a basilisk using the prescribed “chicken egg under toad” method, and to make sure that none of them were killed, him and his companions (a fourth Aristocat and a cartoon version of Auntie Mabel who appeared in an interactive game on the CBeebies website) would simply wear glasses when they were in its presence, which worked in their favour given that most of their enemies were killer rabbits, and we all know that rabbits have perfect eyesight because of all the carrots that they eat.
In spite of this, I never actually made the connection that Harry should have been protected by his glasses, but I find it funny that I accidentally managed to predict the online debates on the subject that would ensue in the coming years.
Thestrals are also amazing at navigation apparently, so it would make sense if Mr. Weasley used some part of a thestral to animate the car.
Moleskin is one of the most underrated fabrics in menswear. It’s a thick and sturdy brushed cotton that is built to withstand even the harshest conditions and is famous for getting better with age. As you break-in this coat it will develop a beautiful patina that is charming and full of character. This coat can be dresses-up or dressed-down and paired with virtually everything in your closet - which is good, because you will wear this coat A LOT.
That fact about two werewolves mating while in wolf form is widely overlooked phenomenon
I love how Hermione is missing strengthens Ron's resolve to face the spiders. Such a great little moment. He holds it together throughout the entire ordeal. Then when their safe, he's like h-hold on a mo- vomit. "Follow the bloody butterflies!" Kinda sad they skipped over those last lines.
Calling Malfoy a "little turd" was one of the funniest things I've heard in awhile
I always was team Ron Hermonie since book 2. I think those 2 were meant for each other.
Hey brothers- love the podcast. Just wanted to give my two cents on the glasses/ petrification issue. I figured that Myrtle actually was petrified by the basilisk (as a result of her glasses), and then properly killed by young Tom Riddle. I feel like this solves both the glasses issue and the question of whether it counts as Voldemort killing her himself to make a Horcrux. It of course makes sense that the last thing she remembers is the eyes and her body seizing up (indicative of petrification rather than death, IMO). It also makes it more reasonable to me that those in charge might assume that Aragog killed her. I figure making a Horcrux involves some violence or desecration to the victim, so in recovering her body, they might not think basilisk. After all, a basilisk kill from the eyes wouldn't leave marks, and thus might also appear to be an Avada Kedavra kill- so it doesn't make sense to me that the assumption would be a beast. This also solves the issue of why Dumbledore didn't realize it was a basilisk in the intervening fifty years- because myrtle's death didn't look like a basilisk kill. Idk just something I've been thinking about lately- esp as yall keep mentioning the glasses issue. Anyway, this is my favorite sunday ritual- keep up the good work :)
Every time you mention that the spiders don't talk about the creature, I think about "we don't talk about Bruno". And now I'm certain that the basilisk's name is Bruno :)
15:24 There's an AU fanfic out there where Harry is a girl, and the events of the second book wrap up around January-February; the few chapters after the climax are basically just a summary of the rest of the school year until the final scene at King's Cross. That just tickled me.
45:10 could they be using time turners to sleep while roaming the halls?
My thought on the Diary being bought in Vauxhall Road is that it's close to his orphanage and he just wanted something inconspicuous to anchor him to immortality before he started his vanity collection of Hogwarts Memorabilia
Best part of Sunday morning ! Thanks , guys .
I love this series so much! I listen to it every Sunday. I have a what if for you, What if Harry hadn’t sat next to Ron on the first day of school?
These episodes really allow to me to relax before a new stressful week starts, I genuinely can’t thank you guys enough for what you do.
I've always thought that the Ford Anglia was sent to Harry and Ron's aid by Dobby. I've only realized that it probably wasn't when watching your videos cause Ben mentioned it once before. The theory of a loyal car is pretty fun, maybe it absorbed the Forbidden Forest's magic because it's been there for so long?
What if the Ford Anglia is a horcrux? Or at least similar. Arthur put so much of his magic (part of himself,effectively) into it that his soul/consciousness can give the car sentience but the car is still part of him,an extention of his being,so it still defends his children.
Orrrrr during the first wizarding war Arthur killed a death eater and made a horcrux. Misuse of muggle artificats must mean he's coming into contact with dangerous dark magic regularly so creating an extra layer of protection would be smart. He also survives Nagini's poison despite how long it takes for Harry to tell Dumbledoor what's going on and Dumbledoor then sending someone to get him. I mean,it kills Snape in a matter of minutes,there's no way Arthur could survive unless he had a horcrux and so was never at risk anyway. This would also explains why he's willing to stitch himself up as opposed to having it done magically,he knows if something goes wrong with the stitches it won't hurt him
The Ford Anglia’s sentience kinda reminds me of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang
Thanks for another podcast. It has become our Sunday night treat. Appreciate HP being kept alive & interesting.
I think that in POA when we see Ron's boggart we see not just any spider, but those spiders that he met in the Forbidden forest.
So if he was afraid spiders before that, his fobia would certainly get to the new level after.
I love the podcast. I look forward to listening every week!
The spiders seem very insisting to not talk about the basilisk, so my new theory is, that it's called Bruno. I mean, think about it, it's leaving in the walls too and has for a long time. Slytherin's color is green... It's all there.
I am so enjoying this! Thank you for this podcast!! 🙏💗
I dunno if I would be so quick to exonerate Hagrid on the say so of a giant spider that just told his family to eat me. 😂 I mean, Hagrid turned out to be innocent but it would’ve taken a bit more convincing from someone that doesn’t think I look delicious.
34:49 Hagrid is known to raise werewolf cubs under the bed and since according to harry potter timeline that was 50 years ago the werewolf in the forest during harry’s time is most likely the same cubs that grown or maybe the offspring of the them and since hagrid raised them they could also have a similar relationship to hagrid like aragog where they don’t attack him or the students
Maybe people did talk to Myrtle. Her story about her death isn't all that useful on it's own. She saw a monster and died. Hermione put together the pipes idea because Harry could hear it in the walls. Without that clue dying in a bathroom seems coincidental, and even if you do search the bathroom there's nothing to find without knowing parseltongue.
The idea, of the Anglia's sentience, as well as other magical objects, sparked a memory from another book. The magic used by wizards may unknowingly carry with it various sentiments or ideas, which are imprinted onto the target of the spell. Like the way some care for their vehicle like a family pet. The enchanted object may show signs of a personality. Just an idea...
Anyway, great podcast, so far. Good luck, and have fun with the upcoming tour.😊
Mytle had been crying in the bathroom when she was killed. Perhaps she had taken off her glasses to wipe her eyes.
Such a great bday to have this to watch
I wonder if the flying cars sentience has anything to do with Ron trying to use magic on it and then his wand snapping in half. Maybe that magic went into the car and changed it
I absolutely love the shrivel fig tangent and ask other tangents
I'll second this!
Spiders also flee moist spaces, that's why spiders in the bathroom = no mold. Makes also sense, since Bassie is flooding school all over the place
Congrats on 30k 🎉🎉🎉
They’re not petrified, they’re just very well done.
The fact that Aragog can speak is not unique in the Fantasy Genre; In the Silmarillion, it's revealed that Shelob is the daughter/descendant of an eldritch spider named Ungoliant, that even the meticulous Tolkien didn't give an origin too, who speaks, and teams up with Morgoth, who was the big bad before Sauron, and was Sauron's boss, and Ungoliant and Morgoth speak.to each other It's also implied that the spiders of Mirkwood are lesser (then Shelob) descendants of Ungoliant.
57:13 New headcanon: Spiders hate the basilisc because he destroys their webs, and he hates them because they build these annoying webs in his pipes. I love it XD
The speed at which I click these is unmatched.
Someone wrote a book analyzing Snape's character. They had an interesting point about this chapter.
Normally, whenever Harry or Ron speak out against Malfoy and curse him out or something, Snape docks points or gives detention. After Malfoy said he thought Granger should die, Ron wanted to attack him and he cursed him all the way to the next class.
Snape witnesses this but does nothing. No detention for trying to attack Malfoy. It follows that in this one instance he agrees with Ron and thinks that Malfoy went way too far with that comment.
Maybe Myrtle was petrified first. We only have her own account to go off on how she died, she wouldn't know the difference between being killed by the Basilisk and being petrified first and then Tom finishing her off.
What surprised me was in Deathly Hallows that Voldemort was waiting for Harry in Aragog's hollow. He gave Harry an hour to get there.
But we know from this chapter that Aragog's hollow is at least 30 min walk, maybe an hour.
For a 12 years old at night. (Almost) adult person definitely can move a lot faster. Especially if in hurry.
I’m going to say that Newt did not give Hagrid Aragog’s. On paper it makes some sense both functioning on a very similar wavelength. However there’s a very big difference, Hagrid is naive about beasts while Newt is not. Newt would be very aware of how dangerous an acromantula would be and how dangerous a place being surrounded by wizards would be for it not to mention the dangers that the beast would pose to humans. Aragog is venomous as noted by Slughorn and venom from something even a fraction of Aragog’s size would kill very quickly. Even if it was the ultimate goal to release Aragog into the forest Newt would have never wanted that as doing that no doubt did massive environmental damage to the beasts in the forest. (Sidenote I am one hundred percent sure that the only thing keeping the Acromantulas from taking over the entire forest was probably the centaurs acting as their limiting factor.) Hagrid probably got the egg from some dark wizard hoping to get rid of evidence of smuggling
House centipedes are truly the worst. You didn't even mention the worst part - they are SOOOOO FAST! I just googled it and apparently it's equivalent to a human running 42 mph. Nightmares!
Horcrux Arthur, created by joy instead of murder, just vibing with the Thestral horde in the forbidden forest is my new favorite head canon. In regards to Dumbledore’s irresponsibility, you have to keep in mind this is the same guy who is just letting students miss vast quantities of a school year, the same year he’s actively sabotaging everyone’s education in DaDa, instead of just ordering the anti paralysis potion from somewhere. Surely they keep a potion this important stocked at least in St. Mungos. I think he’s just trying to save a few Galleons.
I think Harry commenting Dumbledore was the best was also in view of how everyone perceived him when he did teach regularly
Also it just occurred to me, but some film cameras let you frame the photo by seeing a reflection of what the lens sees and then moving the mirror when you click the shutter, that could explain Colin not dying
I don't think it was Newt who gave him the spiders egg. I believe it was just a traveler who was trying to get rid of it before it was found on him.
POV: I walk down to a basement covered in spiders.
Cut to me trying desperately to explain to the insurance company why I set my house on fire. 😅
Why did the expel Hagrid? Could they use the truth serum and he would be able to prove he didn’t do it.
Hey Brother! Started watching y’all as a date night when my husband and I were super broke and have loved the show ever since. A couple of thoughts on the Anglia. The car was already sentient before the forest, because it “waived its wipers in protest” and “had enough” when it threw the boys out on the lawn. Which is weird to me because this book is where we learn Mr. Weasley’s maxim about not trusting things that can think for themselves if you can’t see where it keeps it’s brain. But I like to think ol’ Art learned that the hard way by enchanting things and, in keeping with his opinions on muggle artifacts, continues to do things he knows he shouldn’t. This might also explain some clocks and the mirror. Or maybe the ghoul was also once a pair of smelly socks or something! Perhaps they progress further and further after attaining sentience.
Something I've thought while hearing to you two is: why is everybody so sure the events of 1942 and 1992 are connected? They're actually no similar at all, since in 1942 only one person was attacked and was killed while in 1992 several people are being attacked and they're all getting pretified
That has always feel weird to me, specially when thinking how a person who was killed by the basilisc would look. I think it's fair to asume the basilisc eyes have the same effect as the Avada Kedavra curse, where you just stop living with no other sign, so, if Dumbledore suspects Tom Riddle in 1942, wouldn't he have thought that Tom just killed Myrtle and used the Chamber of Secrets as a cover to incriminate Hagrid?
Nobody was sure until Myrtle confirmed it when Harry asked how she died. The only connection is the location where Myrtle haunts, the bathroom. As Harry wondered, what if she never left? Everyone else is sure because we've read the series multiple times.
Further clarification, there were clues hidden throughout the story linking the two together. The first one was Dumbledore saying that the CoS had indeed been opened again. The second clue was Malfoy saying someone died the last time the CoS opening. The final clue was the memory when Harry asked Tom Riddle if he know who opened the CoS.
In regards to the diary:
In my mind Tom learned about Hocruxes and how to do them, but has not yet acted upon it.
The diary is something Tom bought to keep his personal notes in and made sure, it could magically conceal them.
Coukd even be, that it was some kind of progression list about the chamber, how far he came to finding it and what the results of the attacks were.
So he would have that diary on him, while unleasing the basilisk again.
Myrtles death was not planed and came by surprise for Tom, but he wasn't going to let that opportunity go to waste and attempted to create a Hocrux. At that point in time, the Diary was his most significant possession at hand, so he used it.
I was just noticing the prominent Sycamore trees on my visit to Barcelona today!
"It's always Voldemort"
I kinda need a Voldy version of "It was Agatha all along" now😂
It left as quickly as it came, but y'all should absolutely do a video on the unique type of magic that Dumbledore knows, talks about, and uses. 'cuz there really is a ton. His weird sensing of the entrance to the horcrux cave, for example. Plus of course everything you mentioned here.
Guys, guys, the book is called "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them" because Tina suddenly dropped that title when they were saying goodbye and Newt definitely felt butterflies in his stomach in that scene
1:08 oh my goooood, I literally finished The Two Towers (LotR book 2) yesterday... the Shelob reference is pretty fresh.
The only thing that could explain the problem with the glasses not preventing the basilisk from killing myrtle in my opinion is that all of the other items used obscured the victims' vision, or let them see the eyes without looking directly at them, while the glasses are intended to make it easier for the user to see. The water and mirror created a reflection, nearly headless nick distorts whatever is behind him, etc.
Well, she WAS crying- maybe she'd taken them off and had them in her pocket or hand or something?
1: What if Arthur used something from a thestral to make the car become invisible?
2: Cameras has mirrors in them. Maybe that's why cameras prevent death from basilisk stare and glasses don't?
3: People could have asked Myrtle how she died. "I saw a pair of yellow eyes over there" isn't much to go on. I think it mystified people back in her age, and that's why she loved to tell Harry and the others. She likes to feel spesial, and her death was spesial.
My question is: What happened to the Ford Anglia after Chamber of Secrets? We never see it again. It would have been amazing if we had seen it in the battle of Hogwarts.
Yeah he's not Aragone yet, that only happens in the 6th book.
Damn! I've been bing-listening to this show and just realized I now have to start waiting a week in between episodes! 😟
Not sure if it's covered in the book but have you ever noticed, from the movie, that when Harry is in the diary and watching the altercation between Hagrud and Riddle. That Riddle uses the same spell on Aragog that Harry uses on the spiders in the lair. So Harry may have learned that spell from watching Riddle perform it then.
I think dumbledore only gets interested about finding out about voldemorts past around this time, when it became obvious that he was still alive because of horcruxes. I think he also knew it was a basilisk when he said it was about "how" rather than who. My best explanation is Dumbledore realized he couldnt access the chamber of secrets, and rather than imemediately bringing harry in and risking his life, tried to deduce how it was opened, and kept the info close to his chest as to not induce panic wjth the students/families. After the 3rd attack on a student, dumbledore gets removed, but id suspect he would have asked harry to open the chamber if he hadnt
So would the Weasley's car be sorted into Hufflepuff for loyalty? :)
The wolf information was very interesting. I always felt there is wild, natural magic in the forbidden forest that kinda corrupted the car's own making it go feral essentially.
Dang now we have to wait a week for the next chapter!
I think glasses could prevent instant death but since Myrtle was crying she perhaps didn’t have hers on when she left the stall to tell Tom to go away so she looked straight into the basilisk’s eyes and died
I never thought of Aragog as being blind, all along, I just figured in his advanced age, he became blind.