Ahh!!!! My heart jumped when I saw you made a reaction video! Thank you for addressing some of the points I made and answering some of my questions. I appreciate the respectful reaction and really enjoyed this video! I can’t wait to share it and LOOOL FOLLOWING YOU BACK ON IG!!! 🥰✨
so you are not quitting medicine? sounds like the title was a clickbait title smh. In family medicine we get control over our schedule and we get paid based off what you do. There is a minimum salary that you are guaranteed to make but if you go over that amount you get paid for it. Some would call it a bonus but it is just what you earned. It is all about how you structure your contract when you are starting practice
I joined med school at age of 31 after having worked in a lucrative tech side. I am a current M3 and I do not regret my decision. I also have imposter syndrome like you do and always question whether my acceptance was a mistake from ad com. Yes, it's a very very long road. However, you have to keep in mind that you are literally throwing out 2-3 years of education while keeping the debt you accumulated. I can feel that a lot of your reasoning is based on comparing to your peers. Comparing yourself to your peers at that age may hinder what your ultimate goals and dream are. I can't make the decision for you and I really hope that you take a lot of time to think about what you want to do.
@@noraaa8479 Yes! I know a family doctor who is a pilot and one who likes to go hunting and fishing. There is plenty of time for hobbies and there is a short supply of family medicine doctors right now.
One of the hardest things about going to med school in my 30’s is just that, I’m living that “broke student life” while my friends have full blown careers with six figure incomes.
Who cares what others are doing !!!! And guess what ? You will be 40 and still broke depending on what specialty you chose. DO medicine because is awesome. ER doc here !!!! :) 🗽👍🚑 NOTE: My friend started residency at 45 years old
I'm a 34-year-old who is applying next cycle. I try not to compare myself to others, but it's probably easier for me because I don't know anyone (other than my older brother) who has a six-figure annual income... 😆🤷♀️
Giiirl me too!! I understand, I’m a second year and turning 31 in a month. I feel very similar to you, and feel like these feelings are natural, and normal. Eventually there’s light at the end of the tunnel!!
I would much rather have a doctor taking care of me who has taken a break and gotten rejuvenated so they can perform their best, than a doctor who has been working for 36 hours straight and is half asleep.
For real though. It’s so ridiculous it all comes down to one numerical score on a standardized exam….. which doesn’t tell anyone how hard or a worker they are and if they are actually competent in the clinic of X specialty.
I my country we have to do an internship year after med school and practice as general physician for another year before we apply to specialty training. And your med school grades don't matter at this point. They hold a separate selection exam and if you don't get selected this year you can prepare better and apply again the following year. and not everyone does a specialty. Most people just continue as general practitioners. only few ppl specialize and they become consultants after finishing their fellowship training. gp doctors can work in any ward they like, under the residents and the consultants and carry out most of the work. think tht's how it works in UK as well 🤔
@@jrockit24 won’t make a difference if anything it’s worse now. It will all come down to Step 2 now. You’ll have to pump out more meaningless research articles just because you have to and now you don’t have two scored tests. In the past if you have a lackluster Step 1 score you could learn from that and perform well on Step 2. Now you just have Step 2 scored and if you don’t do as well as you’d like then you’re just screwed…
@@drdumbo9124 Sure, especially if something happens during test day and you score 10 points less than you probably would have...difference between an interview and SOAP.
I took Step 1 and got a horrible score (pandemic, financial issues, and family passing away are not a good combination while studying for Boards). I've been doing splendid during 3rd year, the surgeons went out of their way to tell me I should pursue surgery because I have natural skill for it. But it's not going to happen. All because of ONE score that will probably filter me out from most residency interview spots. Let that sink in. Medicine and medical school try to destroy you at every step. It's even harder for those that come from low socioeconomic backgrounds. It destroys you from the inside out.
my sister got like 210 step 1 score, but she got like 20 + interviews for residency for pediatrics. I don't think its super competitive area, but she still got interviews so was happy for her
Given the outcomes we see with so many physicians it seems like the current basis for evaluation is based on very lazy, biased and antiquated assumptions.
Preach to normalizing having a life outside of medicine🙌 we go into the field because we are passionate about it but that doesn’t mean we don’t have other passions in our lives!
Many med schools are >>50k annual tuition now. If you also have to live on loans, by the end of residency, even making minimum payments, you’ll end up with >>400k you owe back. “Big” paychecks in attendinghood are no longer the standard, it really depends primarily on subspecialty selection and geographic location and most MDs are just employees of huge corporations now. Once you’re an attending you have all your regular bills plus disability insurance, malpractice, etc too. If you’re IR/surgery/derm etc you don’t have to worry much about your paychecks because they’re large even after those new fixed expenses. I would also venture to say it is true that most physicians do NOT have control over the schedule or day off flexibility, since most do not run their own practices. Medicine (especially training) can be very isolating and unrelatable. Her concerns are valid.
People in medicine/nursing always feel guilt when we can’t take care of our patients. In some ways we aren’t giving enough credit to our colleagues in that respect. If there is one thing I learned being a nurse (23+ years) is that you MUST take care of yourself. I was in the generation of nurses that you give your all, work crazy hours and your patients come first. This is not healthy at all. I hope the normalization of mental and physical health being a healthcare professional gains importance so much. As you said, “We are all human”. ❤️
Medical school also incorporates a very specific type of learning/thinking style. Those who don't fit this learning style don't do as well despite how hard they work and that's a fault of the way medicine is taught and not the learner. Medical training and education has never evolved much from back in the day when the practice of medicine was very different from what it is now. Training/education at all levels needs to evolve or burnout will continue and only get worse and lead to many people feeling insufficient or unapprecaited.
Er nurse here. Hearing a md say what he said at 3:05 puts me at ease. I always have the impression that every dr is confident and knows what they’re doing. But I forget that everyone in the hospital is a human with fears. Feels nice to know that even an attending physician feels like this.
ER doctor here !!! Yes it is hard and difficult. ALWAYS LIVE IN AWE OF THE GLORIOUS MECHANISM OF THE HUMAN BODY. LET THAT BE THE FOCUS OF YOUR STUDIES AND NOT A QUEST FOR GRADES ! -Patch Adams- STAY SAFE EVRYONE !!!!
@@calvinsmith5671 HEY ! THATS VERY NICE OF YOU ! I DO HAVE VIDEOS ON WHY I CHOSE EM + DAY IN THE LIFE VIDEOS + TEACHINGS. I THINK YOU WILL LIKE IT. KEEP IT UP !!!!!!!
Also I think one issue is that most med students are exclusively exposed to inpatient academic medicine, which absolutely does not represent all of medicine. There are so many other practice environments/styles. If you're only exposed to one of them and that one isn't for you, it's easy to feel a bit alienated.
@@noraaa8479 One example is academic vs community hospitals. Academic hospitals have residents/med students whereas community hospitals are staffed by attendings/other providers only. A lot of stuff tends to go faster in the community and there tends to be less BS to deal with but there's an expectation that you perform more quickly. Outpatient medicine is also very different than inpatient, rural different from urban.
Thank you both for your videos. As a fellow physician, I think it's very important that we talk about these things and as you said, normalize physicians as human beings.
I’m a PA. So I didn’t realize that USMLE step 1 was literally life changing. My cousin who is an MD shared her passion for Derm but you had to be like the top 3% of the class to be chosen for residency. No wonder the stress levels are so insane. PA school was bad enough we would always talk about how medicine can be so insane the way the education is set up. All the prerequisites, then grad school/Med school itself the amount of information you have to take in at once, complete insanity! Switching clinical rotations every 6 weeks was our school. It’s just not normal to have a new job every 6 weeks and have exams at the end and an Osce. The pressure is always on. For us it was 3 years of immense pressure. My cousin 4 years and then residency. Truly now with covid and it being harder for the medical community at times it’s so sad to see because gosh we did give a lot to do our best for you and your family.
That has somewhat changed. STEP 1 has been changed to pass/fail so it will no longer be the deciding factor. The crappy part is that most likely STEP 2 CK will be the new deciding factor.
Most of the schools I'll be applying to have tuition of at least $50k and a handful are closer to $100k. The cheapest tuition other than NYU or Columbia are schools with in-state tuition at around $44k. Out of state is like $60k.
need to do more i am a law student but it is always motivating to see and hear medical students experience not sure if anyone else feels the same but it does make me wanna work hard seeing how focused and passionate med students are
Awe Dr. Cellini, I'm sure u made her day! I will check out her channel and cheer her on! Doing this u probably helped a ton of Residence or med students. Your the coolest ever!!
Some great topics were addressed in her video and I think this next generation of students coming through med school will help to change the future of education! I definitely resonate with the "fear of missing out" while being in school as someone who now has multiple graduate degrees. In the end, though the lost time while in school is made up with the enjoyment of a career.
I agree. In the end of the day, no one can have it all and never all at one time. I understand the fear of missing out and you definitely sacrifice a lot to be a doctor, BUT it all depends on your mindset. You can absolutely have fun on the road through it all and keep some of the hobbies you like (I will NEVER allow myself to not exercise at least 2 to 3 times per week no matter what), but if you want to stable, engaged and stimulating well compensated career then you will need to be trained well and work hard. If you want to have free weekends and a relaxed schedule, don't try to do high level research or surgery. ER would be better. Go on all your rotations and see what you love. The more money you want, the more you'll have to work. If you don't want the stress of running an office, you'll have the restrictions on your time that comes with being a medical group/hospital employee. If you want to vacation more, join groups that allow for reasonable sharing of call and weekend responsibilities. If you want something in medicine, seek it. It's out there!
It's pretty much the same in many professions that demand specialised skills. It takes a long time, and it's a form of sacrifice. I'm a sociology PhD student, struggling to complete my thesis, been in education for 11 years. Academic jobs are also poorly paid so it won't even pay off once I'm done with the thesis! People need to chill and stop comparing themselves to others. In general, we make too many assumptions and we forget that social media paints a distorted picture of reality.
Amazing reaction Dr Cellini.. Myself I am a medical student & I feel financially broke most of the time. Its really difficult out here. Please make video how to organise your financial budget in med school.
Tuition in Spain is around 800 Euros (give or take $1000) per year. Yes, PER YEAR. And in my region, for every class you pass, that is how many credits you get for free the next year. So, you could in fact end up paying the initial 800 euros for the whole length of time you spend in med school, plus some minor admin fees
Going to medical school is possibly the single hardest and maybe worst thing I’ve ever done. Having ADHD and some chronic health issues, the pace and lifestyle is just unsustainable. I love anatomy but pretty much everything else sucks.
im in healthcare also, yes, there is a ton of burnout. this is largely due to administrative and corporate greed. they make the policies. these policies suck and are often not in the best interest of the patient but are in the best interest of the bottom line. however, those in medicine are extremely privileged people. Not many people even have this opportunity. Yes i understand they worked very hard for it. and yes school tuition is out of control. regardless, they will still be living very well off in terms of finances. However, I do agree that the healthcare workers are very overworked and this ultimately leads to poorer patient care. No one wants an overworked an exhausted doctor for their own care. This is a fundamental problem in our healthcare system. We are squeezing every last drop out of providers and this is essentially affecting patient's care. I think it is time for fundamental changes in how we view healthcare and need changes to the current system.
I think this is a great video for ANYONE going to college because college itself is hard and i think a lot of people go into programs expecting to excel immediately and that’s just not the case
I'm so glad to hear you talking about imposter syndrome. I still have it at times after ten plus years in health care. It must be part of our personalities- reflective, always striving to be better, being lifelong learners. Imposters unite lol!
I'm in med school and my tuition is $56k per year! It's nuts! I've considered leaving med school very seriously after step 1. It's super hard but I hope it will be worth it!
@@bouchser000 If this person wants to come back and practice in the U.S., going to a European medical school will make them an international medical graduate (IMG) which puts them at an important disadvantage during the American match process. Residency program directors can have a lot of stigma towards IMGs, so I would recommend that this person stays in the U.S. if they want to practice there.
"You shouldn't have any doors shut based on 1 test" 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 currently in nursing school and feel the same as this med student. The amount of stress that's is put on us as students is insane.
Gotta be honest, if my country made me take a loan to attend med school, I'd simply pursue a different career. Huge probs to everyone who pays tens of thousand of dollars for tuition, i can't relate to how mentally taxing that has to be.
Loans are common for a large chunk of the US population regardless of what job you choose. At least attendings make a high enough salary to offset the cost of those loans. Teachers on the other hand have thousands of dollars (and in some cases tens of thousands of dollars) to pay off w/o a high salary to offset the load. College in the US is a scam. To avoid it completely you’d either have to go into a trade or a job that requires a certification with minimal training, like real estate or something.
The one you said that resonated with me was forgetting how to do basic math. We realize over time that if a company doesn’t care about the wellness of their employees than they are not worth working for. There is a place and career for everyone and sometimes it takes a little experience to find out what that is
I think that's the difference between our generations. Older generation we have been less vocal about our feelings but we pushed through no matter how many obstacles we realized were in front of us while the newer generation are outspoken, which is great, but also make their decisions based on what the road to the career looks like. Unfortunately for the newer generation, they do have additional things to deal with, so it's a tough spot to be in.
Being a doctor myself,it depends on an individual on controlling their schedule, if you don't want to work all day and night and don't want emergencies then choose that sort of branch.
I'd say most of us not...! whether self employed work working for an org/company/"group", your schedule is driven by how much money you want, how much ego stroking you want, how many promotions you want, how much you want to keep your job... Just like a lot of other jobs. I'm so glad there's a young cohort looking forward to jumping into clinical medicine. I transitioned to on line care just before COVID. I was not prepared for the "customer service" "have it your way, patient" attitude from in person care;. I worked for a city FQHC (I grew up in a rural area); the fantasy was distant from the reality. I wasn't sleeping well, not taking care of myself. Now I do.
There's definitely a form of fakery among certain influencers on how they portray medicine. Maintaining this image I imagine can be very toxic in a way
Thank you two so much for the videos. It is the so helpful for me because even if you have the best people around you, it sometimes feels like you are not allowed to think those things.
the first things I was told in my IM rotation was "if you are choosing medicine, you aren't choosing work life balance. That is just how it is. You cannot claim to go into medicine without at least a basic understanding of the sacrifice it entails. Calculate the cost before you build your tower"
Yeah and my parents are trying to sell me on medicine saying that I can have a nice work life balance with a nice salary, just writing prescriptions or whatever and calling it a day, while working medicine. Meanwhile (granted he chose to take the promotion) my dad works 70-80 hour work weeks. I need to not take this so lightly haha
this is your first video ive seen and i love it. your perspective is very insightful. I have medical interviews next week and weeks following, sometimes even now i feel imposter syndrome but i am just going to do it and give it my all.
I have a few myself if you haven't seen then :). And should have one soon about ACEP2021 (Boston). I am only writing this because I think is important to expose yourself to medical videos. Stay safe amigo !
@@strongbodystrongmiind DC is far from monotonous but i agree he has posted some before. Just be nice to see some more now that he's an attending ya know!
@@jessedonorovich4225 Never stated that he was. I’m stating that DITL/WITL videos can get monotonous. He’s posted some now that he’s an attending lol. Nothing has changed? Do u want to see him go to work, put the camera down & record a time lapse or something?
Your first cognitive function may be Fe which is constantly focused on others' feelings. You live to interact with others, so yes, your job may be great for your personality type, working with people. Your close second cognitive function may be Si which is gathering information from the past to be creative and make decisions. You need people a lot. Keep your job.
Stop calling schools mid-tier, just because another school is harder to get into doesn’t really mean shit. You are going to be a better doctor than many of these students at “more expensive, lower acceptance rate” schools.
She’s at a DO school, all DO schools are private, unlike MD schools do have state schools, and Texas state schools give free tuition if you sign up to stay in Texas.
Funny this video came out today. My colleagues in medical school have started to realize more and more on our clinical rotations how stupid the evaluation system is by residents and attendings. It's to the point where you are better off learning to ignore a lot of the "bullshit" in medicine and focus on the bread and butter essentials. Perfectionism is simply something that we have to let go and remind ourselves daily. It's a paradox in medicine but you are around a neurotic culture that seeks perfection knowing you won't get there. In many cases, it's simply knowing that most of the attendings and upper residents were just as dumb as you were when you started. And even then, they still face struggles in their clinical practice. Just my two cents on this topic. But it's something I reminded myself today through this whole process.
mate. as international students in aussie, we pay huge amounts. i paid total of 280 thousand AUD for my 4 year post grad M.D. and that's considered cheap, for e.g. Uni of Adl charges 80 x 6 years for total of ~480 thousand AUD for a MBBS.
Some qualified folks who applied to THOSE PEOPLEs medical schools were denied entrance. There should be a way to help mitigate the loss. Medical schools training these individuals using tax-payer money, and those persons receving scholarships, etc., should require them to sign contracts to refund those monies if they quit medicine within a few years of being licensed in their specialty -- and exempt them if physically and/or mentally incapacitated. Medical schools can devise a process for making this requirement work. If you agree, write MD- and DO-granting institutions and encourage them to do something about the situation. The monies recouped from such a program can help prospective students.
Obviously interventional radiology is gonna have amazing schedule and amazing pay. I don’t think you are seeing the reality that most of medicine is not the amazing speciality that you are in.
8:54 excactly👌👌 people make excuses but by being smart and work alittle bit hard everything is possible but if someone has excuses then nobody can help her/him out..
Yep ! Who cares ! If you want to study medicine, study medicine ! Many don't even have the options to get loans. I was out for almost a year during undergrad because I could not qualify for loans. Now I am a doctor ER and have 457K in debt BUT I will pay it all back and will have an amazing job.
@@DrCellini Yes sir is true ! One of these days I will make my video about how I will tackle my loans and will show the actual account as prove. Not even counting my wife stuff who is a PA student. we have >500K 😥
Or you can study in latinoamerica. Medicine in latan is just a 6 years program some people don’t pay anything or maybe pay less that 30,000 dollars and then you come here to the USA make the USME get the residence spend 5k and that is it. You spend less time and money studying in latan and coming here to do just the USME.
If you can't retake your step 1 that's stupid! A score should NOT dictate your capabilities as a medical profession that could be one component or impact aspect but it shouldn't be the only thing.
Unfortunate to hear her rationale for quitting bc a lot of it is based on inaccuracies. You can control your schedule to a certain degree as an established attending/independent doctor, esp if you work outpatient. This varies based on speciality, but the beauty of a medical degree is the incredible flexibility it provides. Want to work part time?? You got it, there will be a job for you anywhere. And the loans…so what. Restructure them and pay them back on a income based repayment plan and do the 10 year forgiveness plan. Also, you’re making at the very least 220k a year, for many people A LOT more than that. You can easily live comfortably with that type of salary and pay your loans back.
I would love to see you link up with another board certified physician that’s in another field than you, and you both get together and dissect these types of videos together.
Sir can u plz share ur complete journey how u get into radiology branch , I am from India and I want to be a interventional radiologist and many TH-camr say competitive branch like radiologist requires research program and as I am an IMG I need to do clinical rotation as well
I was in nursing in High school at a vocational school, I remember doing CPR on a mannequin, we had plastic over the mouth, I didn't get a certificate or anything, that's what got me volunteering at a hospital, but I had to pay,so it wasn't free ,no I didn't go to college at all
Ahh!!!! My heart jumped when I saw you made a reaction video! Thank you for addressing some of the points I made and answering some of my questions. I appreciate the respectful reaction and really enjoyed this video! I can’t wait to share it and LOOOL FOLLOWING YOU BACK ON IG!!! 🥰✨
This is awesome Kinza!!
so you are not quitting medicine? sounds like the title was a clickbait title smh. In family medicine we get control over our schedule and we get paid based off what you do. There is a minimum salary that you are guaranteed to make but if you go over that amount you get paid for it. Some would call it a bonus but it is just what you earned. It is all about how you structure your contract when you are starting practice
I joined med school at age of 31 after having worked in a lucrative tech side. I am a current M3 and I do not regret my decision. I also have imposter syndrome like you do and always question whether my acceptance was a mistake from ad com. Yes, it's a very very long road. However, you have to keep in mind that you are literally throwing out 2-3 years of education while keeping the debt you accumulated. I can feel that a lot of your reasoning is based on comparing to your peers. Comparing yourself to your peers at that age may hinder what your ultimate goals and dream are. I can't make the decision for you and I really hope that you take a lot of time to think about what you want to do.
@@jonathanhamilton5520 will I have time for other stuff and hobbies if I go into family medicine ?
@@noraaa8479 Yes! I know a family doctor who is a pilot and one who likes to go hunting and fishing. There is plenty of time for hobbies and there is a short supply of family medicine doctors right now.
One of the hardest things about going to med school in my 30’s is just that, I’m living that “broke student life” while my friends have full blown careers with six figure incomes.
Who cares what others are doing !!!! And guess what ? You will be 40 and still broke depending on what specialty you chose. DO medicine because is awesome. ER doc here !!!! :) 🗽👍🚑
NOTE: My friend started residency at 45 years old
I'm a 34-year-old who is applying next cycle. I try not to compare myself to others, but it's probably easier for me because I don't know anyone (other than my older brother) who has a six-figure annual income... 😆🤷♀️
Giiirl me too!! I understand, I’m a second year and turning 31 in a month. I feel very similar to you, and feel like these feelings are natural, and normal. Eventually there’s light at the end of the tunnel!!
@@jennifernettles387 Jaja Nice ! Congrats !!!!! Stay positive
Very true! I'm in my late twenties as well feeling same
I would much rather have a doctor taking care of me who has taken a break and gotten rejuvenated so they can perform their best, than a doctor who has been working for 36 hours straight and is half asleep.
You are right that’s why I try to take at least 6 hrs sleep before each shift cus when I don’t I know I am not giving my best and that sucks
Thank you. This doctor loves you ❤️
"You shouldn't have your doors shut base on just one test" - Dr. Cellini. Powerful words. I feel that.
For real though. It’s so ridiculous it all comes down to one numerical score on a standardized exam….. which doesn’t tell anyone how hard or a worker they are and if they are actually competent in the clinic of X specialty.
They changed Step 1 to P/F. Imagine how many people would have continued to ortho or plastics
I my country we have to do an internship year after med school and practice as general physician for another year before we apply to specialty training. And your med school grades don't matter at this point. They hold a separate selection exam and if you don't get selected this year you can prepare better and apply again the following year. and not everyone does a specialty. Most people just continue as general practitioners. only few ppl specialize and they become consultants after finishing their fellowship training. gp doctors can work in any ward they like, under the residents and the consultants and carry out most of the work. think tht's how it works in UK as well 🤔
@@jrockit24 won’t make a difference if anything it’s worse now. It will all come down to Step 2 now. You’ll have to pump out more meaningless research articles just because you have to and now you don’t have two scored tests. In the past if you have a lackluster Step 1 score you could learn from that and perform well on Step 2. Now you just have Step 2 scored and if you don’t do as well as you’d like then you’re just screwed…
@@drdumbo9124 Sure, especially if something happens during test day and you score 10 points less than you probably would have...difference between an interview and SOAP.
I took Step 1 and got a horrible score (pandemic, financial issues, and family passing away are not a good combination while studying for Boards). I've been doing splendid during 3rd year, the surgeons went out of their way to tell me I should pursue surgery because I have natural skill for it. But it's not going to happen. All because of ONE score that will probably filter me out from most residency interview spots.
Let that sink in. Medicine and medical school try to destroy you at every step. It's even harder for those that come from low socioeconomic backgrounds. It destroys you from the inside out.
my sister got like 210 step 1 score, but she got like 20 + interviews for residency for pediatrics. I don't think its super competitive area, but she still got interviews so was happy for her
Same boat. Kills me to think I’m going to have to settle for something I don’t love wholeheartedly especially with the looming debt
Given the outcomes we see with so many physicians it seems like the current basis for evaluation is based on very lazy, biased and antiquated assumptions.
@@Peaceful13 cute story
Gee I wonder why doctors have high suicide rate.
Preach to normalizing having a life outside of medicine🙌 we go into the field because we are passionate about it but that doesn’t mean we don’t have other passions in our lives!
Many med schools are >>50k annual tuition now. If you also have to live on loans, by the end of residency, even making minimum payments, you’ll end up with >>400k you owe back. “Big” paychecks in attendinghood are no longer the standard, it really depends primarily on subspecialty selection and geographic location and most MDs are just employees of huge corporations now. Once you’re an attending you have all your regular bills plus disability insurance, malpractice, etc too. If you’re IR/surgery/derm etc you don’t have to worry much about your paychecks because they’re large even after those new fixed expenses. I would also venture to say it is true that most physicians do NOT have control over the schedule or day off flexibility, since most do not run their own practices. Medicine (especially training) can be very isolating and unrelatable. Her concerns are valid.
When you said “I wanna normalize physicians being human” I slapped the subscribe button
People in medicine/nursing always feel guilt when we can’t take care of our patients. In some ways we aren’t giving enough credit to our colleagues in that respect. If there is one thing I learned being a nurse (23+ years) is that you MUST take care of yourself. I was in the generation of nurses that you give your all, work crazy hours and your patients come first. This is not healthy at all. I hope the normalization of mental and physical health being a healthcare professional gains importance so much. As you said, “We are all human”. ❤️
This is enlightening. People with altruistic nature's tend to ignore themselves. Medical personnel need to start taking care of themselves.
Medical school also incorporates a very specific type of learning/thinking style. Those who don't fit this learning style don't do as well despite how hard they work and that's a fault of the way medicine is taught and not the learner. Medical training and education has never evolved much from back in the day when the practice of medicine was very different from what it is now. Training/education at all levels needs to evolve or burnout will continue and only get worse and lead to many people feeling insufficient or unapprecaited.
I swear, Dr Cellini gets a new computer screen each time we see him. Soon he will have a cocoon of computer screens surrounding him.
🤣🤣 I hope!
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Truth! Hahahah
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Legit hahaha
I’m a 2nd year neurology resident and I just wanna leave the field altogether. I just feel incredibly miserable and lost 😞
Look into private practice. In many states you can do that after 1 year of residency.
Why you quitting your residency, please
Er nurse here. Hearing a md say what he said at 3:05 puts me at ease. I always have the impression that every dr is confident and knows what they’re doing. But I forget that everyone in the hospital is a human with fears. Feels nice to know that even an attending physician feels like this.
ER doctor here !!! Yes it is hard and difficult. ALWAYS LIVE IN AWE OF THE GLORIOUS MECHANISM OF THE HUMAN BODY. LET THAT BE THE FOCUS OF YOUR STUDIES AND NOT A QUEST FOR GRADES !
-Patch Adams- STAY SAFE EVRYONE !!!!
Subscribing simply due to the fact that you’re an ER physician! Hope to be there one day.
@@calvinsmith5671 HEY ! THATS VERY NICE OF YOU ! I DO HAVE VIDEOS ON WHY I CHOSE EM + DAY IN THE LIFE VIDEOS + TEACHINGS. I THINK YOU WILL LIKE IT. KEEP IT UP !!!!!!!
thats awesome, doing it for the love of the field. true passion and dedication.
@@jakec5618 Yes sir !!!
Nonsense !
Also I think one issue is that most med students are exclusively exposed to inpatient academic medicine, which absolutely does not represent all of medicine. There are so many other practice environments/styles. If you're only exposed to one of them and that one isn't for you, it's easy to feel a bit alienated.
100% true
Can you elaborate more?
@@noraaa8479 One example is academic vs community hospitals. Academic hospitals have residents/med students whereas community hospitals are staffed by attendings/other providers only. A lot of stuff tends to go faster in the community and there tends to be less BS to deal with but there's an expectation that you perform more quickly. Outpatient medicine is also very different than inpatient, rural different from urban.
Thank you both for your videos. As a fellow physician, I think it's very important that we talk about these things and as you said, normalize physicians as human beings.
I’m a PA. So I didn’t realize that USMLE step 1 was literally life changing. My cousin who is an MD shared her passion for Derm but you had to be like the top 3% of the class to be chosen for residency. No wonder the stress levels are so insane. PA school was bad enough we would always talk about how medicine can be so insane the way the education is set up. All the prerequisites, then grad school/Med school itself the amount of information you have to take in at once, complete insanity! Switching clinical rotations every 6 weeks was our school. It’s just not normal to have a new job every 6 weeks and have exams at the end and an Osce. The pressure is always on. For us it was 3 years of immense pressure. My cousin 4 years and then residency. Truly now with covid and it being harder for the medical community at times it’s so sad to see because gosh we did give a lot to do our best for you and your family.
That has somewhat changed. STEP 1 has been changed to pass/fail so it will no longer be the deciding factor. The crappy part is that most likely STEP 2 CK will be the new deciding factor.
@@mattf8779
I recommend that ALL steps 🚶♀️ be eliminated! Crawl instead!!! 😶
Most of the schools I'll be applying to have tuition of at least $50k and a handful are closer to $100k. The cheapest tuition other than NYU or Columbia are schools with in-state tuition at around $44k. Out of state is like $60k.
need to do more i am a law student but it is always motivating to see and hear medical students experience not sure if anyone else feels the same but it does make me wanna work hard seeing how focused and passionate med students are
She goes to University of New England College of Medicine. I actually had my practice interview with her and found it quite useful
It’s a DO school, all DO schools are private, hence high tuition.
@@angy97 Ehn. Tuition is high at every med school in the United States, private and otherwise.
Awe Dr. Cellini, I'm sure u made her day! I will check out her channel and cheer her on! Doing this u probably helped a ton of Residence or med students. Your the coolest ever!!
Some great topics were addressed in her video and I think this next generation of students coming through med school will help to change the future of education! I definitely resonate with the "fear of missing out" while being in school as someone who now has multiple graduate degrees. In the end, though the lost time while in school is made up with the enjoyment of a career.
I agree. In the end of the day, no one can have it all and never all at one time. I understand the fear of missing out and you definitely sacrifice a lot to be a doctor, BUT it all depends on your mindset. You can absolutely have fun on the road through it all and keep some of the hobbies you like (I will NEVER allow myself to not exercise at least 2 to 3 times per week no matter what), but if you want to stable, engaged and stimulating well compensated career then you will need to be trained well and work hard. If you want to have free weekends and a relaxed schedule, don't try to do high level research or surgery. ER would be better. Go on all your rotations and see what you love. The more money you want, the more you'll have to work. If you don't want the stress of running an office, you'll have the restrictions on your time that comes with being a medical group/hospital employee. If you want to vacation more, join groups that allow for reasonable sharing of call and weekend responsibilities. If you want something in medicine, seek it. It's out there!
I never felt that grad school was a waste of time because I truly wanted to be there and I've never regretted going through that whole experience.
She did not quit. She is still at the DO school University of New England's College of Osteopathic Medicine.
It's pretty much the same in many professions that demand specialised skills. It takes a long time, and it's a form of sacrifice. I'm a sociology PhD student, struggling to complete my thesis, been in education for 11 years. Academic jobs are also poorly paid so it won't even pay off once I'm done with the thesis! People need to chill and stop comparing themselves to others. In general, we make too many assumptions and we forget that social media paints a distorted picture of reality.
Why did you continue to go to go ahead with your phd?
Amazing reaction Dr Cellini.. Myself I am a medical student & I feel financially broke most of the time. Its really difficult out here. Please make video how to organise your financial budget in med school.
Tuition in Spain is around 800 Euros (give or take $1000) per year. Yes, PER YEAR. And in my region, for every class you pass, that is how many credits you get for free the next year. So, you could in fact end up paying the initial 800 euros for the whole length of time you spend in med school, plus some minor admin fees
Whereas in the United States, medical school can be 100,000 per year. Quite the spectrum haha
How is the salary?
Where's this in spain
And the U.S. doctors make a lot more.
“Don’t think about it; just do it.” I needed to hear that. Thank you.
Going to medical school is possibly the single hardest and maybe worst thing I’ve ever done. Having ADHD and some chronic health issues, the pace and lifestyle is just unsustainable. I love anatomy but pretty much everything else sucks.
Omg same I feel you
How did adhd affect your time in med school?
@@peacearobieke still figuring this out… but it kinda sucks
im in healthcare also, yes, there is a ton of burnout. this is largely due to administrative and corporate greed. they make the policies. these policies suck and are often not in the best interest of the patient but are in the best interest of the bottom line.
however, those in medicine are extremely privileged people. Not many people even have this opportunity. Yes i understand they worked very hard for it. and yes school tuition is out of control. regardless, they will still be living very well off in terms of finances. However, I do agree that the healthcare workers are very overworked and this ultimately leads to poorer patient care. No one wants an overworked an exhausted doctor for their own care. This is a fundamental problem in our healthcare system. We are squeezing every last drop out of providers and this is essentially affecting patient's care. I think it is time for fundamental changes in how we view healthcare and need changes to the current system.
I think this is a great video for ANYONE going to college because college itself is hard and i think a lot of people go into programs expecting to excel immediately and that’s just not the case
I'm so glad to hear you talking about imposter syndrome. I still have it at times after ten plus years in health care. It must be part of our personalities- reflective, always striving to be better, being lifelong learners. Imposters unite lol!
I just defended my PhD a little over a month ago. I still don't feel like I deserve it. Imposter syndrome is very real.
I dropped out of a PhD program and instead I’m going to optometry school
I'm in med school and my tuition is $56k per year! It's nuts! I've considered leaving med school very seriously after step 1. It's super hard but I hope it will be worth it!
Yes,+1
Transfer to Europe medical school. 10x cheaper
@@bouchser000 If this person wants to come back and practice in the U.S., going to a European medical school will make them an international medical graduate (IMG) which puts them at an important disadvantage during the American match process. Residency program directors can have a lot of stigma towards IMGs, so I would recommend that this person stays in the U.S. if they want to practice there.
well, if 56k per year is high, then what should a good tuition be? I heard tutions are between 60 to 100 a year. @Beth Toledo
are you still in med school?
"You shouldn't have any doors shut based on 1 test" 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 currently in nursing school and feel the same as this med student. The amount of stress that's is put on us as students is insane.
i was depressed the last couple days due to difficult exam coming soon ,and after watching your video i feel much better thanks
Gotta be honest, if my country made me take a loan to attend med school, I'd simply pursue a different career. Huge probs to everyone who pays tens of thousand of dollars for tuition, i can't relate to how mentally taxing that has to be.
Thing is we get paid so much more in US for being doctors, so paying loans isn't a big deal in time
* hundreds of thousands
Loans are common for a large chunk of the US population regardless of what job you choose. At least attendings make a high enough salary to offset the cost of those loans. Teachers on the other hand have thousands of dollars (and in some cases tens of thousands of dollars) to pay off w/o a high salary to offset the load. College in the US is a scam. To avoid it completely you’d either have to go into a trade or a job that requires a certification with minimal training, like real estate or something.
The one you said that resonated with me was forgetting how to do basic math. We realize over time that if a company doesn’t care about the wellness of their employees than they are not worth working for. There is a place and career for everyone and sometimes it takes a little experience to find out what that is
I think that's the difference between our generations. Older generation we have been less vocal about our feelings but we pushed through no matter how many obstacles we realized were in front of us while the newer generation are outspoken, which is great, but also make their decisions based on what the road to the career looks like. Unfortunately for the newer generation, they do have additional things to deal with, so it's a tough spot to be in.
Being a doctor myself,it depends on an individual on controlling their schedule, if you don't want to work all day and night and don't want emergencies then choose that sort of branch.
What branches “don’t work all day”?
@@noraaa8479 dermatology, radiology, psychiatry, pathology, plastic surgery.
@@human4665 I really want dermatology but ugh it’s so hard to get into
"I noticed that doctors have no control of their schedule". "I have complete control over my schedule" lol
Very lucky
Not all of us, lol
I'd say most of us not...! whether self employed work working for an org/company/"group", your schedule is driven by how much money you want, how much ego stroking you want, how many promotions you want, how much you want to keep your job... Just like a lot of other jobs. I'm so glad there's a young cohort looking forward to jumping into clinical medicine. I transitioned to on line care just before COVID. I was not prepared for the "customer service" "have it your way, patient" attitude from in person care;. I worked for a city FQHC (I grew up in a rural area); the fantasy was distant from the reality. I wasn't sleeping well, not taking care of myself. Now I do.
There's definitely a form of fakery among certain influencers on how they portray medicine. Maintaining this image I imagine can be very toxic in a way
Thank you two so much for the videos. It is the so helpful for me because even if you have the best people around you, it sometimes feels like you are not allowed to think those things.
the first things I was told in my IM rotation was "if you are choosing medicine, you aren't choosing work life balance. That is just how it is. You cannot claim to go into medicine without at least a basic understanding of the sacrifice it entails. Calculate the cost before you build your tower"
Yeah and my parents are trying to sell me on medicine saying that I can have a nice work life balance with a nice salary, just writing prescriptions or whatever and calling it a day, while working medicine. Meanwhile (granted he chose to take the promotion) my dad works 70-80 hour work weeks. I need to not take this so lightly haha
Dr Cellini, i just wanna say that you made me consider going into radiology. Thank you!!
Didn't they change the step one score to pass or fail. Can you please address how this changes the "doors shut" part of the video ?
Thank you.
Yay Dr. Cellini we love Kinza so much!!!! This was so neat thank you!
I can’t tell if someone is in the window in the back of her video and it creeps me out lol. Didn’t even hear a word she said
this is your first video ive seen and i love it. your perspective is very insightful. I have medical interviews next week and weeks following, sometimes even now i feel imposter syndrome but i am just going to do it and give it my all.
LOL. Midwestern College of Osteopathic Medicine in Downers Grove Illinois charges $73,000! these numbers are scary outrageous!
I’m a first year and my tuition is among one fo the most expensive and that’s at $75,000. It’s intimidating but I hope it will be worth it!
I wanted to quit since Med school.... I wanted to quit..during my residency....but here I am... 36 yrs in practice...MD from Thailand
Do you like it now?
"Whenever you are worried about something just do it "
Oh my God thanks for finally talking about. Thanks Thanks Thanks , I needed this.
Dr Cellini, could we possibly get another day in the life or vlog sometime soon?👀
I have a few myself if you haven't seen then :). And should have one soon about ACEP2021 (Boston). I am only writing this because I think is important to expose yourself to medical videos. Stay safe amigo !
Lmao he’s uploaded so many of those. Nothing has changed. We’re tired of the monotony
@@strongbodystrongmiind DC is far from monotonous but i agree he has posted some before. Just be nice to see some more now that he's an attending ya know!
@@jessedonorovich4225 Never stated that he was. I’m stating that DITL/WITL videos can get monotonous. He’s posted some now that he’s an attending lol. Nothing has changed? Do u want to see him go to work, put the camera down & record a time lapse or something?
Love the responses, and yeah perspective is everything.
Your first cognitive function may be Fe which is constantly focused on others' feelings. You live to interact with others, so yes, your job may be great for your personality type, working with people. Your close second cognitive function may be Si which is gathering information from the past to be creative and make decisions. You need people a lot. Keep your job.
Im a junior doctor working in UK and im severely depressed. i have no life
Yes, Dr. Cellini we need more videos like this one....
Loved this video, please make more reaction videos like this !
I go to mid-tier med school in NY and tuition is $60k ... tuition costs have definitely gone up
Stop calling schools mid-tier, just because another school is harder to get into doesn’t really mean shit. You are going to be a better doctor than many of these students at “more expensive, lower acceptance rate” schools.
“I have one simple answer: just do it” I giggled
Yeah…her tuition is about average now for a private school. The state schools are still 30-40k.
She’s at a DO school, all DO schools are private, unlike MD schools do have state schools, and Texas state schools give free tuition if you sign up to stay in Texas.
PA student, originally a pre-med student who’s dream was crushed by the MCAT commenting for the algorithm
Well needed reaction Dr. Cellini 🙏🏻
Thank goodness Step 1 is now pass/fail.
I watched Kinza's video, which was very help, as was this reaction. Thanks!
Quitting is the best move for UK doctors and nurses.
University of New England College of Osteopathic Medicine. Kinza and I are at the same rotation site currently.
Nice, UNE is a good school.
Ah that explains it. Unfortunately DO schools face an uphill battle.
@@devinwynn1299 : and all DO schools are private
Funny this video came out today. My colleagues in medical school have started to realize more and more on our clinical rotations how stupid the evaluation system is by residents and attendings. It's to the point where you are better off learning to ignore a lot of the "bullshit" in medicine and focus on the bread and butter essentials. Perfectionism is simply something that we have to let go and remind ourselves daily. It's a paradox in medicine but you are around a neurotic culture that seeks perfection knowing you won't get there. In many cases, it's simply knowing that most of the attendings and upper residents were just as dumb as you were when you started. And even then, they still face struggles in their clinical practice. Just my two cents on this topic. But it's something I reminded myself today through this whole process.
“Don’t think..Just do it if you’re worried” great mindset. Ty for the reminder
Dude I effing love you and your wife!!!! I binge watch yyall like crazy Love yall and grateful for all you do!!!
I got am 86 on my midterm for term 1 nursing and felt like poop. But I had to adjust my attitude. I did fantastic!
mate. as international students in aussie, we pay huge amounts. i paid total of 280 thousand AUD for my 4 year post grad M.D.
and that's considered cheap, for e.g. Uni of Adl charges 80 x 6 years for total of ~480 thousand AUD for a MBBS.
Should've just been a 2-4 year nurse. Much, much easier & moderate pay.
Some qualified folks who applied to THOSE PEOPLEs medical schools were denied entrance. There should be a way to help mitigate the loss. Medical schools training these individuals using tax-payer money, and those persons receving scholarships, etc., should require them to sign contracts to refund those monies if they quit medicine within a few years of being licensed in their specialty -- and exempt them if physically and/or mentally incapacitated. Medical schools can devise a process for making this requirement work. If you agree, write MD- and DO-granting institutions and encourage them to do something about the situation. The monies recouped from such a program can help prospective students.
The vast majority of medical students (85%) survive the required academics and subsequent training. Others quit or flunk out.
Now i heard step 1 is going pass/fail and now ppl are saying maybe step 2 score might be heavily weighted to seperate urself from the crowd
What do you think about step 1 going Pass Fail?
Some people do not test well. Period. I am one of those people but I know my stuff.
Obviously interventional radiology is gonna have amazing schedule and amazing pay. I don’t think you are seeing the reality that most of medicine is not the amazing speciality that you are in.
8:54 excactly👌👌 people make excuses but by being smart and work alittle bit hard everything is possible but if someone has excuses then nobody can help her/him out..
I really love your réaction and everything you said , thank you 💚
lol my med school tuition is nearly $68K. If you max out loans it's around $100K per year.
Yep ! Who cares ! If you want to study medicine, study medicine ! Many don't even have the options to get loans. I was out for almost a year during undergrad because I could not qualify for loans. Now I am a doctor ER and have 457K in debt BUT I will pay it all back and will have an amazing job.
Sheeesh
@@DrCellini Yes sir is true ! One of these days I will make my video about how I will tackle my loans and will show the actual account as prove. Not even counting my wife stuff who is a PA student. we have >500K 😥
@@FacundoMD ‘merikah!
@@Athandatu Jaja American Dream :) is possible !
Dr cellini, I saw your comments on Nelk and a Mcbroom video. So this is what you do in your spare time XD.
Love the vids. What do you think is the best skill to have other than time management when you are a student and a yotuber.
Sounds like you need to stop doing TH-cam if you have no time 😀 p.s. what state are you in? I don't ever want to visit a hospital you might work at
@@amberbailey8241 hey
I am only in high school
Or you can study in latinoamerica. Medicine in latan is just a 6 years program some people don’t pay anything or maybe pay less that 30,000 dollars and then you come here to the USA make the USME get the residence spend 5k and that is it. You spend less time and money studying in latan and coming here to do just the USME.
Go to Europe. Med school is waaaaaaaay cheaper and even free in some of countries. It is crazy! How can US citizens accept that???
If you can't retake your step 1 that's stupid! A score should NOT dictate your capabilities as a medical profession that could be one component or impact aspect but it shouldn't be the only thing.
Unfortunate to hear her rationale for quitting bc a lot of it is based on inaccuracies. You can control your schedule to a certain degree as an established attending/independent doctor, esp if you work outpatient. This varies based on speciality, but the beauty of a medical degree is the incredible flexibility it provides. Want to work part time?? You got it, there will be a job for you anywhere. And the loans…so what. Restructure them and pay them back on a income based repayment plan and do the 10 year forgiveness plan. Also, you’re making at the very least 220k a year, for many people A LOT more than that. You can easily live comfortably with that type of salary and pay your loans back.
I would love to see you link up with another board certified physician that’s in another field than you, and you both get together and dissect these types of videos together.
Doc knows exactly how to make mini-heart-attack-inducing titles!😅
Haha I was just copying her title!
I just started interventional radiology...it's very satisfying but wearing the led aprons for hours is tough for small people like me 🙂
🤓 Dr. C. is wise 2 C the importance of taking time ⏳ 4 self. A physically & emotionally healthy doc is a better doc 🚑 2 all.
Sir can u plz share ur complete journey how u get into radiology branch , I am from India and I want to be a interventional radiologist and many TH-camr say competitive branch like radiologist requires research program and as I am an IMG I need to do clinical rotation as well
I was in nursing in High school at a vocational school, I remember doing CPR on a mannequin, we had plastic over the mouth, I didn't get a certificate or anything, that's what got me volunteering at a hospital, but I had to pay,so it wasn't free ,no I didn't go to college at all
but step 1 is P/F now.....soooo
no it will become pass/fail in january 2021
Always enjoy your videos!
I think most schools are 60k now lol :(
She goes to a DO school in Maine, I believe
Shout out to the radiology department!
How do you feel about USMLE going pass fail for the first time this upcoming year?!