I RUINED My Space Marine Army...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ค. 2021
- There are multiple X hours or X days challenges for painting Warhammer armies, but so far, no one painted WHITE SPACE MARINE ARMY! And we are about to change that
In this video, I attempt to paint white space marine army for warhammer 40 000 in just a few days. It's not like it's impossible, but the fact that I am painting white army certainly doesn't help.
Can this be done in 48 hours? Maybe just a few days? Or do you have to invest more time into painting your army? Let's find out!
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Name something as powerful as AK Interactive Ultra Matte Varnish!
SPOILER: You can't
Need to try it, I usually use Lahmian medium to bring all colours to unified matt look.
Green Stuff World's MAXX Matt varnish
Dried oil paint? 😈
Liquitex ultra matte medium
@@bicskeiz Too soon! xD
I think it's important for hobbyists, all of us, from novices to veterans, to realise that mistakes will happen. This video was pretty motivating, we can always fix out hobby mistakes.
ill be honest, if something this big happened to me id just strip the lot and give up on making the deadline. Impressive to see him power through it
No you cant always fix mistakes, in this case oil wash an entire army instead of repeating the process figurine by figurine didn't represent a time gain anyway and we know what happened ! The mistake here is having unrealistic expectations of his workload, he lost several days and didnt get as good as a final result he could have. Never use dangerous or unfamiliar technics or new materials on a whole platoon or army... I m never using GW white undercoat ever again :)
@@calgar42k You can always fix hobby mistakes. Just strip the minis and restart in worst case scenario. Always keep experimenting in order to improve.
@@Blazetwoe stripping a min is time consuming not without consequences for the details and not very eco friendly ....
@@calgar42k There are eco friendly solutions to use, and yes it's time consuming but that does not mean it can't be fixed. This video alone proves that you can fix most mistakes, stripping is the last resort but you can still save the models.
Oh man, as soon as you have said that you left oils overnight I immediately knew that something bad is going to happen.
Oh well, lesson learned and thank you for sharing this moment so we won't make the same mistake.
Same. I use oils in all my minis (even completely from oils on one) but I only do 10 minis at a time. Never needed varnish
Any suggestions on brands of oil washes and application procedures. Obviously I should leave it on overnight right?
@@Antheraws honestly i dont enjoy supporting Games workshops paints too much becauss their pots suck so damn bad and something like Vallejo will do the trick for a good bit less, the value of their Shade washes and contrast paints cannot be understated.
Nuln oil and Reikland Fleshshade, maybe Agrax Earthshade and you will have most washes you will need, i got a gloss Reikland Fleshshade and it makes all the gross oozy poxwalkers and fleshy bits look all slimy and awesome.
Contrast paint is just good for shading on something you dont really wanna spend time on lol
@@Antheraws Get some inexpensive oil paints (Windsor and Newton galleria are fine for washes) and a bottle of odorless thinner and mix them yourself. Marco Frisoni (NJM) has a lot of good videos on making use of oil washes.
@@Antheraws Abteilung 502 is a brand made for mini painting. Smaller pigment and shorter dry times than artist or craft oils. That may not seem like a good thing given this video but usually Windsor & Newton oils take 24-48 hours to dry and that can be a real pain if you're looking to keep working over them. They are also cheaper than citadel paints.
The ultra dark shadows and thick highlights give these marines almost a comic book or borderlands look, which looks pretty damn cool if you ask me
I miss the original perfection. These are a pale shade of how good those are and offends my OCD. The choice of white color scheme doomed you here. Great points about airbrush to save time on yellow and white.
I was going to say the same thing I’m thinking of making a unit or kill team in the cell shaded style
It's lowkey, a pretty awesome effect.
yeh like it more then the brush ink technic
I can't even imagine how you could not give up everything after such a disaster, iron willpower!
Imperial Fists tier tenacity!
it was the Iron within
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT!
Honestly besides them obviously not looking quite the same as his previous army, that grime looked friggin AWESOME with a bit of fixing, definitely a good technique for something like nechrons or a more rusted Space Marine look,
"Soooo here's my totally planned black templars" :p
This is one of - if not THE - most useful, technique-wise, videos I have ever seen. You very rarely see any mistakes in these videos, and you can be left thinking "Yeah, Its easy for superhuman Painter Man." Its good to know we all make mistakes sometimes, and specifically things to avoid if you're thinking about these techniques. And you exolain why you went with certain colors or certain tools at each stage. Now THAT is how to help people become better painters. It's only how you did it, but why. Teach a man to fish....
yeah, compared to his usual quality and skill; I jsut imagene the mess i would have gotten into.
yeah, coping with mistakes is a really big skill. For example, knowing that later on you'll be slapping weathering on means you can phone-in some steps and just apply rust/dirt over the top of any messy bits!
oh dude that was painful to watch, but it looked amazing by the end. That many models in 10 days is mad. I've been painting marines in 5 model batches and they take 3-4 days each batch
That's what I used to do as well, hence it took 6 months before!
Gotta try and find the sweet spot. The amount you can do and not want to throw everything in the bin lol
@@lordcodger over lockdown/furlough I was able to paint a little bit every day so was probably getting a squad out every 2 weeks but taking my time and not stressing about it
"We don't make mistakes, just happy little accidents." - Bob Ross
I think this army has amazing weathered patina to it. It's unique and definitely in a good way.
Honestly it looked like waiting a full day with the oils and rubbing off some of the paint could be a cool weathering technique for a real battle worn model 👀 Seems like a Bob Ross style happy accident to me!
Learning, sure, but not a thing he wanted on this particular model set lol
I think that's what Ninjon does.
Loving the "Don't listen so much to many thin layer squad, you don't work on being second Trovarion" attitude!
the guy won how many golden demons?
@@bluemoka8992 that is the point, you are not trying to win GD with a tabletop army
@@Zumikito yeah exactly, we are talking two different worlds. But if your goal is to paint an army in a week obviously you shouldn't watch trovarion? Why even mention him? The guy gets hate cause he is pretty good and people are envious
@@Zumikito oh, next time you mess up with oil paints drying time, use a sprinkler with white spirit in it and spray the models, wait for the paint to activate again and use some make up sponges. In this case the colours were somewhat still wet, this approach would have saved the models
@@bluemoka8992 I think that the previous comment praised Trovarion, because he paints so well, it doesn't make sense to try to paint entire army like that! I personally love the guy. Also, the steps that you are suggesting are exactly what I did - I dipped the mini in the white spirit before I started. If I didn't do that it wouldn't move at all
This is probably a comment you get a lot but the fact that someone like you even refers to the hobby as a "grind" actually gave me motivation to keep going with my army. A lot of youtubers make painting look so easy and effortless that I often feel discouraged when I'm not enjoying an aspect of the process (it's basecoating for me, I hate doing it with a passion). But listening to you talk about "the light at the end of the tunnel" and that sometimes you just have to grind to get there was actually really motivating.
There is nothing fun about doing the same repetitive motion in exactly the same way a thousand times haha
"Pick an army that doesn't have too many details"
Me, who apparently hates himself and loves suffering: "Chaos Space Marines it is."
Could be worse. Have you SEEN some of the Ork models? However, mistakes on them add to the charm.
Hey, it was maybe a mistake that cost you in terms of working time, but in the end it still looks great, plus the hard black shadows and the rough aspect gives them a "Darkest Dungeon" vibes.
Well done sir, you have now transform a disaster into a "lucky" accident ;)
Actually, I'm waiting for my Darkest Dungeon Kickstarter to arrive later this year, and this gave me a lot of ideas. Probably not the finish that Zumikito was hoping for, but still great in my view and very inspiring :)
Yeah it did ngl
POV: Him messing up a whole army is still better than anything you've ever painted.
Oh man, the pain that poured out of the screen was almost pallitable. I bet the feeling of accomplishment after you were all done was immense though. I'm about to start batch painting some blightlord terminators and I definetly won't wait with the oil wash. Thanks for the unintended pro tip!
I thought that I am gonna quit and give them good ol' isopropyl aclohol bath and restart without making the video. But hell, I was too invested to quit!
First, palatable.
Second, the pain was tasty? Or did you mean palpable, meaning able to be felt?
Not suprised that you still managed to clutch it and make the whole army look awesome despite the disaster. You're awesome man, mad respect!
Great video….love your delivery style, feel your pain at some of the bumps in the road, and really enjoyed the music you used for the end shots of the completed army. Thanks very much!
As someone with extreme confidence issues painting, this would have made me quit the hobby. Thank you for being an example of never giving up. You're army looks great!
How Fast?
spray paint all of it 1 single color
Dip everything in nuln oil
jobs done
Nice, I prefer to play Ravenguard with only bases, they are really stealthy!
@@Zumikito Or purple orks with only bases, because nobody has ever seen a purple ork
Oh my god those look amazing. I'm new to the whole army painting stuff and I've been working on my own army, imperial fists and I haven't even got them all together yet I start and them I just start to see the road ahead and I get discouraged but seeing you hit that wall and still clime over it is actually inspiring.
Thank you for sharing that tough experience, I appreciate wisdom coming from it, I wish you all the best with further projects!
Just tossing it out there: makeup brushes aren't just good for drybrushing, they are also really good for cleaning up messes exactly like this.
they can hold a fair amount of spirits and the gentle hairs of the brush are less abrasive on the acrylics.
This is coming from the guy who literally never varnishes before oils or enamels.
Wow, it's so wierd to look at 2000 pts now. In 6th or 7th this would at max took 800-1000 pts. I'm so glad warhammer now is more skirmish than it was before.
It is not. Ask any non marine player.
The Dreadnought is like 600 pts, the HQ's like 200 pts, and I think the bikes are 200-300 for a squad of 3
Just a tiny advise on something that you might not know and is kind of subtle. I don't recommend using metalic paints on a wet pallet, the tiny shiny particles will pass trough and go in the sponge underneath the paper and will overtime damage it. Have fun painting ^^
Just like to say that I really appreciate your videos, mate! The fact that you show this hobby, warts and all is really refreshing! Most pro painters only want you to see the end result of their minis and not the fuck ups that follow in between the amazing end result. As someone who regularly messes up and has beaten myself up as a result, it's great to see that it can happen to anyone and is motivating to see you pull through and fix up the fuck up. Well done man and the army ended up looking great 👍
Me, an admech player looking at how many models makes 2000 points in space marines. MUST BE NICE.
*cries in tau*
Im crying in endless Hybrid Acolytes batch painting as well.
Cries in kings of war goblin
I know it was painful for you but as i'm about to do the same next week, the information about the dry oil wash is a blessing. Thank you very much for sharing your mistake so we can learn from it!
Congrats on finishing your army! That was a tough road, but pivoting and adapting was the right call. I think we should try to see mistakes as a chance to be creative and problem solve, bailing and restarting is how minis end up unpainted. Thanks so much for persevering and sharing it!
Thank you! I agree with you, I couldn't see myself go through the basecoating process again, I would carry too much resentment
This is one of the most useful hobby videos out there. By sharing how things went wrong and how you dealt with it mentally and physically is more useful than a step by step guide for perfection. Thanks for sharing the pain and the beautiful minis.
Meanwhile, as ork player
"Use same color scheme", "The head is where you should spend more time"Wooot?
Though really, the uniform color scheme I have for infantry is pants, boots and chest straps. Rest is whatever i fancy doing, though mostly blue since.. DEFFSKULLS DA BEST
I do like the "ruined" look. Looks like the marines been on loooong campaign and haven't had the time to polish their gear to parade condition.
The only good Ork is a red Ork
Ima be honest for a second. I weirdly like the look from the 'mistake', it gives them a more battle weathered, veteran sorta feel. May not be what you were origionally going for but its really cool either way.
10:29 Honestly if I saw that I would think it was intentional. Definitely would have rolled with it.
11:05 ! What was that tool your useing to fill in the creases of the back pack ? Iv never seen that before.
What stencil did you use and where can you get them?
Most important lesson: sometimes mistakes are the best thing that can happen, as I think the fixing the varnish mistake made thrm look even better.
Bang up job, feel you on the waiting too long with the oils. Thanks for sharing and please stay safe.
I like your videos a lot and this is one of the best. It’s great to see that even the ’pros’ experience troubles sometimes.
I just did a small scale army project myself on a tight schedule. It was 17 mini strong. Started oilwashing for the first time around 10pm. Had three shades in two dilutions to get max variety. Luckily I didn’t leave cleanup for the next day, but ended finishing around 3pm.
Great technique and for a first time the results and overall project time saved were very impressive…but even so, you need to time manage that stage too.
Still laughing at 'Do you know what takes longer than applying a colour?' Great video, seems lots of the crrators are doing how to paint your army quickly these last few weeks.
What's funny is, the weathering caused by scraping off all that excess shade actualy made them look more battle-damaged and "grimdark"
@Zumikito where did you find stencils for eliminators?
Very interesting to see this vid and watch your process roll out in this type of setting! I was curious to see you put metallics onto your wet palette, however; most of the advice I've seen on that is to avoid doing so, because the metal flakes pass through the paper and get into the sponge material where it can affect other normal paints. You don't find that an issue at all?
I think they turned out great and that "mistake" it's a fantastic lesson about oils!
Indeed!
I agree about the "thin layers" thing. Paint consistency is a tool just as much as anything else, and knowing when and how you use a tool is more important that sticking to an old adage.
Wow. Now that's dedication. Great to see it all work out in the end! I have to say I actually like these marines better than the previous ones, but that's probably just because I prefer a more weathered/battle-worn look rather than the "showroom floor" style, but excellent work on both nonetheless!
Which black oil paint did you mix with the white spirits?
Okay I definitly see how that is an absolute paintjob ruiner when you are aiming for something, but honestly, while it might not have been your original plan, holy hell did you turned that around. They look like they just came out of an hellish crusade where you can barely afford 2 minutes of rest (pretty much like your week it seemed) and yet they are still coming to get you.
Unreal man!! Smashed it
Hell yea!
Excellent video. I love how you shared the journey of this and how even Masters of the craft can make a mistake too. Great job restoring the Army. Still looks amazing!
What tool did you use with the streaking grime????
Thanks for all the tips. Planning to speed paint a small thousand sons army. Using streaking grime to make it a bit more grim dark. Im just not looking forward to doing all the trim….
I’ll definitely be making a step by step plan now! Thanks! Keep up the great work
11:04 Is that a Tamiya panel liner your using there? Just curious , i had no idea they were a thing, until this Video (yes i have been out of the painting game a while, i dont have a box of shame of unpainted models , i have a full room of shame lol) But, yeah , what are you using to pop that line down, on the models back? is it a paint brush end on that? looks like a realy fine brush end. Like those on the caps of Tamya super thin glue.
What colour oilpaint did you use for the shading though? I don't see it listed!
It's mixed black and brown, I think you can use any, but I have found that pure black alone might be the best to use
Brilliant recovery. I have hit problems and it’s time for a full paint strip. Next time I will try and fix and recover.
Do spray paint cans and an airbrush operate the same and end up of the same effectiveness? I want to get into this soon but I don't anticipate spending tons, so I don't want to buy equipment that isn't really worth it.
The maddening redo may have been a nightmare, but I think they came out superior! This isn't a "save" imo, it's a branch in a different artistic direction through fate.
Often mistakes turn into something we didn't want initially, but are actually a potential new technique.
Bravo.
Love your videos.
Is there a gloss/matt varnish you would recommend without a spray gun? I see the Humbrol ones are available but they have quite a few bad reviews for leaving residue
Games workshop is good with gloss varnish (also, humbrol is not goos with oil wash apparently) not sure ahout matt varnish in a spray can
Tamiya ftw.
I really enjoyed watching this video. I haven’t started painting my first set of Ultra Marines yet but holy cow that was the thickest coat of red I have seen applied to a helmet haha. My favourite part was when you saved all of them with the lovely re coat of paint once the varnish was cleaned. Awesome work.
Great video again, you present these in such an easy to understand way which is great for beginners like me. Keep up the good work!
I've heard on another channel that after doing the oil wash and cleaning with white spirit, you need to varnish again before applying any further paints...is that true? Seems like you didn't mention it in this video
That is usually the case, but because the oil paints were absolutely dry in here, it was not necessary. If the oil paints are a bit active (for example you can teel by touching them), you have to seal them before painting.
Do you have any concerns about using acrylics over oils? I've read that if you paint acrylic over oil (even varnish) before the oil has fully cured (which can take months), the acrylics you place on top will crack over time. Is that true?
Ok I'm just wondering what products did you get to have all these
How did you make the stencils for the sniper cloaks ? thanks in advance love the video by the way
bought from fallout hobbies!
@@Zumikito Thank you so much which one did you purchase if you don't mind me asking i can't seem to find the one from the video.
OK I know this was a long time ago now but I have a question. After the clean up stage you start painting acrylic for the highlights? I thought you couldn't paint acrylic over where oils have been?
Sure you can, if it's cured like it is in this scenario haha. If the oil is still active, you need to varnish it at the very least
@@Zumikito hey man thanks for that, I always made sure the oil wash was a last step even doing all my highlighting before, it as I thought you weren't allowed to put acrylic over oil. Helpful to know I can go back and do edge highlighting after 👍
What's the different between a Oil wash and something like GWs Nuln Oil, I'm not familiar
Great Video und great result at the end.
I'm new in painting and I wanted to ask you what varnish is for? Sorry if the question is stupid or my English is bad 😅
Thank you! You varnish miniatures to protect them - in this case, I used gloss varnish so I can wipe off excess oil wash without damaging the models. After that, I used Matte varnish to erase glossiness and to protect them. If you are painting miniatures for gaming, varnishing might be a good idea!
@@Zumikito Thank you for the really quick response. 😊 I'll try it out.
Can't wait to see your next video. I really like the style of your videos and think you do a great work at all. Keep on 😊
Army looks great for a gritty, worn in set. Appreciate the info on processes for batch painting. Always a handy tool. Thanks.
Cool vid! Congrats on pushing through!
in the beginning you painted with purple paint. What brand of purple paint and paint brush did you use? There were no brush marks. Every think I hand paint shows brush stroke
Looks great man, I am glad you managed to save them from the oil wash! They look fantastic!
@Zumikito Miniatures I hope you can help me out. I've ordered an Illidan figure from China, but the paint on it is sticky.. My plan was to strip of all the paint, and paint it myself :) However I cant get rid of this sticky paint in some areas. I've tried brown soap, paint stripper and also baking powder. Do you have any tricks?
Interesting, have you tried isopropylalcohol?
@@Zumikito i think I have (= I think it might be an oil paint as the model is liker rubbery.
This video came just in time, I started a yellow army using the exact same approach a few weeks prior to seeing this and am approaching the oil wash stage. It is almost certain I would have messed it up if I hadn’t stumbled across this in time. Thank you for preemptively saving my sanity!
Keep in kind that you have like a few hours and you are good to go!
I gotta say, very well saved! They turned out great! It's interesting, too, to see the result of your thicker paints. I cringed when I saw you put the red on the helmet, but, again, it turned out really good! Thanks for the video!
Seeing the job through! Kudos to you 👊
I ve just e beginner question :
why do you use a "hand made" wash instead of something ready to use like the nuln oil ?
As you could see, you can reactivate the oil wash and fix any spill... If you don't wait for too long
Nuln Oil is not an oil wash, its acrylic.
As you van See in the video these 2 washes are very different to use
What is the make of the stencils cheers
Warts and all. Thank you for the process full frontal. They look great!
In min 11:07 whats that for a brush? With a little tank?
Where did you source the camo stencils from?
it is from Fallout hobbies
They look awesome! I can't imagine the pain you felt after the disaster. The patience rewarded you, great job.
Can someone tell me what the music from around 13:08 is? i've heard it before, and couldn't find it on epidemicsound :(
Army of angels, cheers
@@Zumikito thanks mate, love your videos
Excellent video, my heart did go out to you about the oils, but great recovery
Man I do really love the read helmets. The perfect paint job of the older models really shows a parade ready unit preparing to show off to the high lords or something. The new ones look like they just won some major battle and tried really hard to clean up but just couldn’t fix all the battle damage, like a parade still on the planet they conquered. Still super cool love them all! Just for different reasons. Good job!
I am basically a newbie in all of this miniature painting stuff but most acrylic paint has a set up time to either reflect it's full range of colors or dry completely. So taking a 5 days approach is a very brave project. and I got a lot of knowledge from this. Thank you.
Looks great, they have this subtle comic painting style to them. Hoping someday I'll have the courage to go for a white color scheme
Why not soak in mineral spirits to soften and remove the wash?
Would it melt the models?
Well done pushing through the disaster! I really like the way you do the eye lenses
This oil thing...I don't cry often, but you made me cry. Painting process can be so terrific, but it can also be so infuriating. Which goes to show it happens even to the best! In such a situation, I would have ended up in the side safety position, crying, tearing my hair out and chewing on their roots for days... Cheers to you for not having screwed everything up (at least not in front of the camera...). Keep the good work!
I love that you mention seeing progress in every model to stay motivated. Batch painting almost ruined the hobby for me. Had to start painting no more than 3 models at a time maximum.
Now... what us that pen yiu used to apply thin black paint to the crevices??? That was awesome!
Nice! Glad you recovered from the oil wash! Great tutorial on white.
What music was used in the end?
Is it easier to paint them before assembling them?
What a great recovery from the oil wash, and a testament to your patience and drive. We often learn more from a mistake than we do when things go to plan i think its critical that fans see these mistakes to have the oppotunity to learn from them what an amazing vid, you sir are a hobby legend.
11:00 what is that weird tool you are using to fill the crevice with the black wash? Straking grime? Funnel lighter?
I have used oil wash that was applied by synthetic brush
I love this video. It's as much about the spirit of this hobby as any technique. Shows what you can do if you stay motivated. Thanks.
By far the most inspiring video about painting and not giving up. Well done 👍🏻 that’s a sub from me
I love this channel! So funny! EDIT: I just got to the oil wash bit, NOOOO!!!!! Well done for sticking with it, they all look great!!!! :)
The same shit with the oil washes happened to me. Only in the oil pipes fortunately. Kudos to you for not giving up though. The army looks great. How many hours did you paint each day?
Thank you! 8 minimum
I know only too well how soul crushing that is, but you really managed to fix it well. What colours did you use for the purple? They look great :o
I almost did this too. But that was a fantastic recovery. Well done!
Great work. I have some more motivation to get back to the table now. Love your models
And they still look great awesome recovery! Personally, I use Tamiya acrylic paints and they work fine out of the pot... in 2 medium coats.