History of WWI Primer 142: Siamese RS 121 Type 46 Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
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The Siamese Mauser
Francis C. Allan & Roger L. Wakelam
Japanese Contract Rifles
Doss H. White & Francis C. Allan
The Early Arisakas
Francis C. Allan , Doss H. White, Dr. Standley Zielinski
Late Siamese Mauser Handguards
Francis C. Allan
Arisaka Prototype to Compete for the Siamese Rifle Contract
Takehito Jimbo & Francis C. Allan
Siamese Mauser Postscript
Francis C. Allan
The Last Siamese Mauser?
Francis C. Allan
Siamese Manufactured Type 46 Long Rifle
Jonathan Paterson & Francis C. Allan
Siamese Test or Sales Sample Rifle?
Chip Goddard & Francis C. Allan
Siam and World War I
Stefan Hell
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Fun fact there is actually a Buddhist shrine dedicated to king chulalongkorn in the north of Sweden. He came to visit in 1897 and a hundred years later they built a shrine to honor him. Been there a few times and it is a beautiful place.
It took them 100 years to build a shrine?
@@chooseyouhandle permits were hard to come by
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@@chooseyouhandlenot many experienced buddhist shrine builders in europe
For anyone confused: The public schedule is now "locked in." There will be another full length episode in two weeks, and then two weeks after that, just like it has been for years. In one week the next trap episode drops like usual as well.
I will say, the next big episode is going to be a special. It will be available "early" to Patrons next week.
Is it possibly the 1911?
@@michaelmclaughlin4889 Nah. Mae it's going to be special. 😜
Omg c and r are back yesssd
It's gonna be that Tokarev that's been hiding in the back is my guess.
Or the start of the long-planned shotgun series.
Just out of curiosity, has the patron "beta testing" worked out? Assuming at all that this video had mistakes when it was originally released to patrons before being released to youtube.
King: Now, shall Mr. Lingkong be winning this war he is fighting at present?
Anna: No one knows really.
King: Well, does he have enough guns and elephants for transporting things?
Anna: I don't think they have elephants in America, your majesty.
King: No elephants? No wonder he is not winning war!
True story.. Lincoln did in fact politely decline the King of Siam's offer of two elephants.
That's why they call Republicans elephants:D
@Ted Hubert Pagnanawon Crusio Elephant Bombards are useful but the elephant of surprise is better!
Othais: starts rattling of the name of the rifle
Me: is this one of those animes the kids are talking about?
most likely cause i don't understand any of it
Not as worrying either.
You mean those chinese cartoons?
@@KriLL325783 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Back in the dark ages, the origin of the "Siamese Mauser" was to allow budding gunsmiths an opportunity to rechamber to a fun cartridge like .45-70!
I have one and it's a strange rifle.
I have one too! It's a thumper
Othias: "The most beautiful thing..."
May: *he is talking about the rifle isn't he?*
Brave man Othais, taking verbal pot-shots at the lady with the rifle.
Yep. She also knows where he sleeps, and where he keeps his ammo.
I don't know how i went 31 years into my life without this channel... The knowledge is magnificent. This is what history class should have been.
Thank.
Years ago I had to take my Type 46 to a Thai restaurant to get them to translate the writing/markings on it. They were not only able to translate the rifle's serial number but they ID'd the other markings on it as well, incl. the crest. It was an 8x52r caliber which at the time I owned it could only be made from 7.62x54r brass and that meant about $65.00 a box (early '90's). The rifle shot 'decently' with that ammo, not well enough for me to keep it.
I once owned a type 38 carbine in 7.7 Japanese. It was in the 1940 Siamese Rifle test trials. It had several unique features----the only markings were the serial # and a small triangle on the chamber, The rear sight was on a curved ramp, the front sight was on a widened bridge with squared ears with a squared holes. the barrel had 3 smaller blocks to hold a type 30 Bayonet at the proper length for mounting. The butt stock had a Mauser style sling slot cut in it. I sold it to Fred Honeycutt any years ago . The last time I saw him he said he still had it and no he didn't want to sell it back to me. Bob Benson
I'am from Thailand.I love Siamese gun
"This rifle normally uses a stripper clip...So it's single loading for me" And that's the reason the Mauser style magazine is better (for the collector, 100 years later) than any using an en bloc clip
Amazing... As an American with Thai Heritage I would love to have one of these!
Wait a sec...War Were Declared, Siamese troops actually saw service, but no patented "War Were Declared" video clip?
We got gyped!
See? This is why I love y'all so much. I had never even heard of this beautiful rifle before this video, and am now going down a rabbit hole of reading about the history of Siam/Thailand, 😂😂😂.
Also, thanks to you guys, I bought a Vetterli M1870/87/15 along with my own copy of the book "The Italian Vetterli Rifle," and bought a Winchester 1907 when I went to the gun store to pick up a Gen4 Glock 20 10mm Automatic, 😂😂😂😂.
A bit of help with your pronounciation there. Ra-ta-na-ko-sin-sok nueng-roi-yi-sib-ed. I'll keep em coming as I watch through. All this might sound like nitpicking, but getting it right helps others along the line.
4:48 The reigning dynasty then and now is actually the Chakri dynasty, with Rattanakosinsok being the total reigning period of the dynasty. That type of year counting has almost completely fallen out of use in modern times. Current year is ร.ศ. 226.
30:27 Pronounced Bo-worn-det by locals, he later led a failed royalist rebellion in 1933 against the constitution monarchy in an attempt to return it to an absolute monarchy. In all honesty, there's been more coups here than I can keep track of over the years. Have fun with that.
46:18 The crest in the picture shown says แบบ๔๗/๖๖. The direct translation of แบบ is type, so that would be the Type 47/66.
46:49 Pronounced Plaak Pi-bun-song-kram.
It's not nitpicking - it's always useful to be told how things are pronounced from people who know, so we can say it correctly. And that's from an Englishman, old boy!
Karen
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@@hermatred572 Karen! Is that really you. Missed you
I like the touch of Mae attempting to close the bolt on an empty chamber, just to prove that the magazine hold-open does, in fact, work, even after a hundred years.
You know the world is right when after firing the rifle, Mae gives that satisfied sigh/smile!
Grug has one. Grug like... much fun.
Fun fact that seems to have been deleted from contemporary history books: the original Siamese conjoined twins, Chang and Eng Bunker, got rich doing 'freak show' tours. They invested their wealth in a plantation and slaves in the Carolinas where they settled down, married, and had children. Their children fought in the Civil War on the side of the Confederacy.
Which history books are you saying they were deleted from?
@@Tippet76 The ones written by "underrated" contrarian edgelords, of course
well that sucks
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chang_and_Eng_Bunker
I wouldn't want to be the elephant drive when they fire the cannon.
lets see Ian do a mud test with this, followed by Othias having a sudden panic attack
😅
Only if Ian "forgets" to close the dust cover.
@@donjones4719 Honestly it might still pass. If I remember correctly the K98 they tested passed even without a dust cover. So a 98 Mauser action with an addition of an intergraded dust cover I would expect to pass even if that dust cover was left open.
Saw a bunch of these at the Thai Air Force Museum in the display for the Thai-French war.
Steal them while you can
@@davidegaleotti94 Yeah, I really don't want to have a stay in The Bangkok Hilton... Especially with 9000 new covid cases in Bangkok a day.
@@jtilton5 I get that :/
I wonder what the Thai museum calls them, tho, considering the confusion on the designation.
@@davidegaleotti94 When I first saw them I mistook them for Arisaka rifles, (most of the Thai planes in the museum from this time period were of Japanese manufacture also.) It was only through some research I found out what they were. Though I haven't been back since then so I don't know the specifics of the rifles on display.
@@jtilton5 don't think it's covid you have to worry about in there
I've been a subscriber for 18 months and have come to enjoy learning about the military firearms of WW1. One of my favorite parts of each episode is when you both speak about the firearm and Mae's impression of it. Your playful banter makes me smile. An episode dealing with the problems and solutions reloading ammo for some of firearms would be interesting to me, nothing too technical just general information.
Always love videos like this and the Berdan (to name a few) that tell about the Country’s history.
Its semi-official name was "รัตนโกสินทร์ ศักราศ ๑๒๑" (based on ร.ศ. ๑๒๑ mark) and It should be pronounced like "Rat-ta-na-kho-sin Sak-ka-raj Nueang Song Nueang" (if you pronounce Thai number as an individual number), which Othais managed to correctly pronounce the "รัตนโกสินทร์" part.
PS: its official name according to Royal Thai Army (RTA) is "ปืนเล็กยาว แบบ 46", which can be translate to "long rifle, model 46", and number 46 came from a year it was adopted in Buddhist Era 2446 (1903). Also, its western name according to RTA is Siamese M1903.
Fantastic animation, seeing the improvement over the years is worth my Patreon.
Comments equal support. Let's lift em up boys!
It wasn't that long ago this channel only had 20k subs. You love you see it!
That's wild that the deal was with Mitsui. Used to see their ships and containers at the port here all the time growing up.
Also clever of Siam/Thailand to contract with Mauser for the design but have them manufactured in Japan to keep from drawing too much attention in Europe.
I remember seeing one of these at a gun show and thinking how weird it was.
Very cool and elegant rifles, underappreciated. I have one in the 8x52R chambering and like it a lot. Thanks for this wonderful video on these fascinating rifles!
Once again, a rifle sheds light on obscure and complicated history . Thank you!
I don’t like this video because it shows how much my RS121 (as I shall call it from now on) has been screwed with. I felt the algorithm needed to know that.
Yeah, I had one of these that someone previous jerkwad had butchered. I also had a gorgeous example that was unmolested, and looked even better than the one in this video.
In what way was it screwed with? Depending on what was done, it's possible it was done in some sort of official capacity.
Wow, I'm subscribed and belled and I never saw this in my feed. I guess I get a "new" episode while you folks are busy catching up after the recent stuff.
Gorgeous looking Mauser, almost as nice looking as the Persian model. Always wanted one, never had a chance to pick one up. Gun shows around here are terrible. Always the same vendors selling the same stuff (which never seems to sell anyway) at the same inflated prices.
It was interesting to hear about this rifle after the first world war. Looking forward to your episodes when you get outside of the great war.
I bought mine from an add in "Shotgun News" sometime in the 1970`s. No ffl required as ammunition was "not available".
I`d of tracked down the Austrian round if I had known it would have worked!
I'm really happy you guys went into such detail with these rifles. There are very few good resources on these mausers.
Thank you to Ohas for this gun, out left Grandstand (Far Left Field), Great Film
"Tune in this week for the return of The All Mauser Channel!" Jk, love the show
Budda's nips on that statue are bold indeed. They're nearly a big as a rivet from the ill fated titanic.
Always love seeing guns I've never heard of before. Great work as always!
I didn't know Othais is so good at history narration! As a Thai guy, I approved
Interesting slice of gun history and very well done as usual. Enjoyed this a great deal.
God bless all here.
I fired one of these converted to 45-70 years ago. Lots of fun. and really smooth.
Somewhere Ian's ears perked up "Did someone say Berthier?"
We are Siamese if you please
We are Siamese if you don't please
We are former residents of Siam
There are no finer guns than we am
We are Siamese with very dainty sights
Please observing fights over our dainty sights
Now we lookin' over our new domicile
If we like we stay for maybe quite a while
(The Algorithm made me do it)
Good on the Algorithm for doing so. Cats shouldn't get all the attentions when singing.
Already can hear Disney lawyers trying to figure out how to get at this one.
I'm commenting Mae! I'm commenting!
I see C&R video, I make a fresh pot of coffee amd clear my desk.
I am a simple man who enjoys simple things
WOW is best rifle , watching from Thailand .
Wow!! Finally!! Been waiting for a feature on the Siamese! Thanks!
"The crème de la crème of the chess world in a show with everything but Yul Brynner."
This is my favorite series!
Of course you guys post the long awaited new video when I'm sleeping. I dont even know how! You guys are basicly in the same state!
Another good show. Thanks.
I didn't realize how many different types of the same gun there were
If you really think about it, that is quite common for military firearms just look at the US military. You have the M16, M16A1, M16A2, M16A3, M16A4, M4, M4A1, and probably a dozen other variants in service that I am not thinking of.
@@SpaceCowboyfromNJ most of the m16 variants are carbines and different optics mounting attempts (mostly unsuccessful seeing as the builds had no generalization when it came to rails until the m4, and the after market for such options were small)
@@baker90338Nonsense. From the original prototype to the current rifle almost all components had to be redesigned (Sometimes twice) for greater strength and durability. The weight of the rifle also increased massively.
My dad has one. He paid 15 dollars decades ago and had it converted to 30 40 Krag which was common to do back then since there weren't even reloading dies or components for the rifle at the time.
this is a really cool mix of arisaka and mauser. one of the coolest bolt guns i have seen yet
Alright, I can go to bed early!
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GODDAMNIT!!!!!
This gun looks slick.
Both of info about the gun and extra Thai history are so valuable to hear.
Thank you so much
Strange, as long as I've watched this I've never had confirmation these 2 are a couple. I mean, I suspected and figured they where.. but never actually heard them say anything about being together. Confirmed.
There is a such a wealth of info in these videos! Thank you guys for the hard work!
May and othias the dynamic duo!
Thank you
Thanks for all the research work Maurice.
all your hard work is very much appreciated.
Obligatory engagement comment. Hopefully things start faring better now that you shouldn't have to take down and re-release anymore.
I've been waiting a LONG time for this episode.
Othais, thank you for doing your duty!
I always support by buying merch bc it’s not enough to love this show, I have to subject everyone else to it as well
44:26 King plans on transitioning to a Constitutional Monarchy, *gets one* - *Rolls with it like a boss*
that bolt just sounds so good, proper clonk.
Tonight, perfect timing. Excellent.
We had a couple of these. They converted into excellent 45-70s.
Thanks for reminding me to comment Mae!
A great channel and so much content I’m never bored
Thanks Mae and Othais
Magnificent history class. Thank you
First gun ever I bought and sold at a profit after finding the missing parts
13:30
dude, you just blew my whole mind. SHIPPING!
Nothing better than a rimmed Thai :)
Oh my god
Bravo. I was tempted to mention that I was surprised to learn that this Thai is equipped with a deep tang, but then thought better of it.
Oh I see they started with a Mannlicher model and thats why the 8x 50 mm R cartridge. Ok that makes sense
@32:55 Oooo ! that 8 x 50 sounds very satisfying as it goes boom
Ty very much for making a video on this not very well known rifle. Also hey, that pronunciation was great man!
one of the best programs on the inter weebs
I would like to point out that despite the dust cover being nice, it is a set of manufacturing conditions that will slow down rifle production and increase its cost.
It's an extra 2 cuts on the receiver for the rails, and a nub cut for the indentation.
It's an extra stamping process for the cover itself. On something like the Siamese we see it looks like they even added a nice finger lip and handle. Which is an extrusion process, AND a weld point (manual welding, we don't got robots yet).
That's a lot of extra machinery to add to rifles during the war. Before or after the war, it is definitely something you could tool up for. But at a time of "oh shoot we're in a dirty muddy war, NEED RIFLES YESTERDAY!" You can't manage that without halting production for at least a few months. Which is a little more than devastating during a conflict.
As compared to what was sent out:
leather/canvas is already in production, could take a sheet, or even scraps from uniform production.
get 1 worker to cut the shapes
get another 3 to sew 1 of each strap from surplus belt production.
and you have adequate mud protection. It doesn't open the rifle quickly in a surprise, but doctrinally, you can sorta mitigate it. Use it fully during march (as shown in the photos), and hang the cover drape style over your actions when the rifle is standing up during combat/sentry duty/rifle teepees. You can easily flip the draped cover off as fast as the metal dust covers in that setup. So as really awesome as the metal dust cover is, at the time of its requirement. The cloth one is the best possible.
I am sorry but a cloth dust cover that's not secured to the rifle is pointless. It's not going to stay draped over the receiver for combat or sentry duty. If you are moving around it's not going to fall off unless you are being really careful to ensure it doesn't. More importantly when you don't really need the dust cover when you are standing still since the rifle is at minimal risk at getting dirty. The risk comes from moving quickly and crawling around taking cover etc... large amounts of dirt and debris risk getting into the rifle.
As to machining time/effort I'll point to the Japanese during WWII who continued to cutting the rails for the dust covers even after they massively simplified everything else. The bigger issue by far trying to retroactively add a future that the rifle was never intended to have that design. Any rifle that had incorporated that feature from it's inception would more then likely have kept it until things got extremely desperate, which by that point if they were having to delete that feature, for all intents and purposes the war would already have been lost like the with the Type 99 during WWII
Primer!!!! So excited when i saw it.
These are such great episodes
Awesome episode as always
My body is ready
In Thailand this is a rare gun, it's only found in museum.
For the people who wonder what background music is.
it is Siamesische Wachtparade.
That's a beautiful and practical mud cover (for out of combat mud protection), wonder why no other major power picked up on it.
Darn, I was hoping for a tune from "The King and I" as background music in the shooting segment.
Great video, as always.
Guess we need a few new. Episodes of "Will it Strip?"
*Shows Siamese map*
*Looks further south*
Wow... I forgot the Siamese actually trounced the British and claimed Kelantan and Kedah as part of their core territory at one point before 1909.
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Way To Go Mae Sharp