Burn in is probably not really an issue anymore in OLED, I can't speak for QD OLED but dead pixel on the edge of the panel after few years is a real issue for WOLED, you can search LG CX dead pixel as people are starting to experience this, including me. That's why I will never touch OLED again.
You know when you just buy a new phone and you see reviews afterwards and they are all talking how crappy that brand new phone of yours is? Well, this isn't the case, since I'm watching this 2 weeks after buying my S90D :D
Note : S90D has QMS support for the Apple TV 4K 3rd gen. I connected my Apple TV directly to the TV, and connected my 4K Blu-Ray player directly to my receiver to bypass the lack of DTS support. The S90D is a clear winner here.
So what if I have a soundbar connected to the tv and a ps5 playing a blu ray to tv as well. Will that bypass the lack of support and send DTS straight to the soundbar?
Not really…. Factor in their QC issues and Samsung is the HUGE loser here. I’d rather not have to replace a $2,000-3,000 TV every 2 years because it failed…
I second this. I am personally disgusted with the idea of Samsung using the inferior WOLED Panels on their own TVs but I would like to know how bad they are.
@TheAsmileXD they have 2 different sku and that is because of lg display contract requirements to get woled cheaper than LG electronics and unlike LG WOLED. QD OLED advanced significantly from 1st generation to 3rd. Unlike LG who has been making same ex or evo panel for last few years and so many panels left over every year. unlike the qd oled which advanced year to year.
@@tbecket4890 I have seen that they showed it’s damaged. But that’s a couple of video old. I think they either created a short of it coming in damaged a month ago or a video of it.
Yeah... I almost got the Samsung S90D; then I saw a bunch of image motion issues in-person and picked up the Sony instead. Videos online can only do so much. Go stand in Costco / Best Buy for a few hours looking at exact same content on the different screens if you want to really choose. Be careful with that -- a lot of TV demos do mostly camera pans for motion -- really watch for specific game and movie / sports humans in motion. You'll see for yourself.
If you’re going to judge off the Costco feed and see them side by side, it’s important to note that Costco employees set up the TVs themselves and the settings are going to be varied. The “motion issues” you described don’t exist outside of aggressive out of the box eco, standard, and dynamic modes and can be turned off or adjusted inside these modes. If you look most sets from all brands are set up in a basic mode with motion interpolation all the way up which exacerbates artifacts in poor feeds like Costco built in feed and sometimes their own demo content.
I really wish we could get QD-OLED panels in the 42 and 48" sizes to use as computer monitors. I feel like that would be the next step from using my 48" LG C2 as a monitor currently. Is it all still 55" and up for QD's in the foreseeable future?
You are brave. My desktop would send an oled to the graveyard within 18 months. My PC is always on, and I mean always. I'll always pick high end mini-leds for monitors until Oled panels are much more robust. If strictly limited to a few hours of professional use a day I'd take an oled though.
Nice review Abby. Can you please discuss interoperability between the 3 with third party products such as sound bars, home theaters, surround sound and TV recorders. For example, can the S90D remote (which is tiny) operate multiple devices ? thanks
Sony has done little to improve its 8 series (XR80, A80) OLEDs since the a80J, and the implementation of Mediatek’s Pentonic 1000 has done very little to improve performance, not to mention its limited connectivity. I really thought Sony was going to use QD-OLED exclusively on midrange and premium OLEDs. Kudos to LG and Samsung for pushing the limits of its midrange OLEDs.
This is my current issue with my A80J. Lack of connectivity via HDMI and after 2 years this thing is definitely sluggish. Takes a good minute or two on startup to get going and even then it stutters all over. It’s unfortunate. Plan on replacing it with a C4. LG has caught up to Sony in image processing which means I’m done with Sony…
@@markstorts8303 processing only works on low bit rate 480i and below content. Anything higher than that and all TVs will do excellent. Are you still watching old reruns of MASH?
Sadly I missed a recent LG sale where they sold the 65 inch G4 and the dsg10ty soundbar for a combined price of 2100€ or roughly 2300$ including all taxes.
Hey about the build quality, in the rtings review of the s90c it say that the panel is slightly bowed like the s95b and it can worsen if the tv is lifted reapetedly. does that also happens over time if wall mounted? What about full motion mounts and mantle mounts? (Up and down mounts)
I could get 55 inch S85D for about 950$ in my country now, the next cheapest OLED is LG B4 for 1250$. I've seen the reviews and LG is a bit better at everything but surely for this price I should get the Samsung right?
I think the main reason why i don't want the S90D is QD-OLED are more susceptible to burn-in - regardless of how you take precaution. Plus, there's already a 65" 4K Samsung in this house. We're not really brand loyal.
I would love to see y'all compare how the tv handles not being connected to the Internet because tvs are famously not secure and share a ton of info about their owners.
Looking to upgrade master bedroom LG OLED 55C9 to the 65C4 around X-mas. I have other LG C1 and C2 OLEDs with zero issues and they work perfectly with Sonos soundbars (Cable TV/Streaming, no gaming). Too much of a wild card going Samsung compared to sticking with LG.
I’m planning to get my first oled tv. I’ve been eyeing the LG C4 which is $100 more than the C3 atm on Amazon so why not get the latest model right? Waiting for Black Friday to get a sale on the C4.
@@jrmcdonald821 of course I don’t I actually know about TVs lol. I wouldn’t even like one for free with all the issues it has. It would drive me insane. I’ve been using a Samsung made QDOLED panel long before you lol. As I am using the first device to use them, the Alienware aw3427dw. The samsung panel is great. It’s the reason why the Sony A95L made such a great TV. Problem is Samsung isn’t great at making TVs. They haven’t made anything decent for the time current times in over half a decade ago. Haven’t made the best TV in at least 10 years. Usually I recommend Panasonic and Sony if you want the best, next best thing is a LG oled. Samsung is more getting eaten alive by TCL and Hisense because they’re value volume over quality. Like getting a burger at McDonald’s.
they basically the same out of the box but if you do mods them (play in the service menu voiding the waranty) the s95c can get brighter from what i've read s90d will top at 1500nits while s95c will top at 2000nits. I've bought s90d and out of the box it is already bright enough tho. some people had issues with the s95c because of the connect box, s90d it's all built-in so better chance to avoid the problems
Bought bravia 8 back in August for $2900 - disappointed. Ordered s90D (based on ratings and reviews) for $2200 and returning bravia. Will see how it goes.
@@martykibiswa9885 I liked the Bravia 8 but it seems pretty dim when watching HDR Dolby Vision on netflix but sound, build, and processing kinda makeup for it.
@@TheAsmileXDwhen you see them in person the Bravia 8's picture is cleaner and smoother. These guys brush over it having the best image processor and I dont know why. I just spent an hour staring at these 3 at Best Buy-- Samsung looks overly processed/computery, C4 has graininess in its pixellation, esp on human faces...Bravia looks like youre in a movie theatre.
So... some questions for the HDR loremasters: Say I want to watch a Dobly Vision movie in my Samsung S90D, will it: - Be played as an unknown HDR format and look all messed up - Be played in SDR - Automatically fall back to HDR10 or HDR10+ (if yes, does this depend on if the video file has the required fallback metadata?) - Automatically tonemap to HDR10 or HDR10+ during playback (if yes, will this look worse than native HDR10/HDR10+/DV?)
It will fallback to HDR10 and use its own dynamic tonemapping (DTM) which can often be disabled if you want to see the difference. It is my understanding that DTM has come far enough that DV isn't as important as it used to be, but if you want tonemapping that is more accurate to what was intended it is still going to be the preference for many people.
I have a S95B and it lasted just a little over a year before, what I suspect, it failed due to a power supply issue. Make sure you have an extended warranty if you buy a Samsung.
Costco's warranties don't cover burn-in which is still a concern at this point where as you can get Best Buy's 5 year extended warranty through Geek Squad and it covers any burn-in related issues.
144hz is only of use if your using a top end PC and yes the SONY is slightly less bright but this is only an issue in a brightly light room and for me samsung's colour is abit over saturated overblown even if its a QD oled if you want the very best OLED buy last years SONY A80L QD OLED its the best 65" TV ever made
I keep my sets for very long and the sub par build quality and longevity that Abby mentioned means i will go with the well made and years of use of LG'sr WOLED.
Because Dolby Vision is the premium Dynamic Metadata HDR that many streaming and especially disc based content is mastered with as an option to HDR10 static. HDR10+ in content count is much much lower in adoption and application on premium content.
@@Assyrianair4orce HDR10 is the default for Samsung and its just as good and bright and colorful as DV if not more. You can't tell the difference and has been proven by many in the TV industry...
I would have gone with the Samsung, but I am a movie and shows media user, so no DTS and no Dolby Vision was a bummer. Did the Panasonic come from Amazon. I read a few comments from Amazon site people sending it back for replacement due to damage or failed startup. Not a good showing for Panasonic.
@@Scuurprolmfao if reality wasn’t real I would agree with you. Most content is mastered in HDR. Such a comment is a complete lack of understanding of HDR formats and tech.
Personally, having seen all of them in store, the Samsung was my least favorite. Colors were WAY too saturated and just looked fake. The brightness was absurd and damn near eye searing. Then of course, there’s Sammy’s QC issues which are well known. I could never justify spending $2,000-3,000 with the fear that the TV can crap out in a year or two… For me, the LG strikes the perfect balance of colors and brightness. Its gaming features also standout massively and it does DTS and DV for physical media which I collect. Its full support of HDMI 2.1 across all ports is also HUGE! It’s also nice to see LG has caught up to Sony in image processing! LG is the clear winner here!
@@yeorges Thats not true lol i have the s90d & an LGc3 and the c3 is more than capable of hanging with the s90d for color & better for movies, motion & processing.
Yes but what about the raised black issues on qdoled? There are videos that prove the issue is evident. Thw question is how much does it affect the general perception of true deep black.
I thought I hit the jackpot when I bought the G4 until the magic remote reared it's annoying head to plague me for the live of the television or I get annoyed enough to replace it early. The Magic Remote is a cursor function that appears on the television whenever you shake the remote quickly or pick it up off the bed quickly. It's super unintuitive laggy and can't be shut off. Why LG Force this down arthro is beyond me.
My S90D will not recognize 144hz, I have tried everything I can in HDMI 2.1. I use my panel as a monitor for my PC, and I have an AMD Radeon 7900XT graphics card, more than capable to run 144hz, any advice?
Not just about saturated colour, at 39 secs that artificial blue grass of woled is the reason I'll never go back and after comparing them in person it's not just the effect of the camera
@@paulhoey9803 In person both look great & my C3 does not have that blue/green tint & I have both s90d & LG c3 they both trade blows & look better on both depending on the scene.
Being Samsung doesn’t have Dolby vision and substantially worse processing (which rtings doesn’t test very as it’s very basic) always makes it last place with these. Samsung makes some great parts for others to make great products.
Dolby Vision is important with weaker TVs, a TV as capable as the S90D doesn't need DV and processing is important when mainly watching low quality content.
@@darthbroda that’s *entirely* incorrect and not how HDR works lol. Dolby vision doesn’t work on weaker TVs that lack good lighting system’s because all HDR formats need good hardware. Dolby vision is the best and most common offering. In most areas if you don’t have Dolby vision you step back to basic HDR10 that lacks dynamic metadata. Making Samsung usually the inferior option out in the wild even if we ignore their other glaring issues (inferior processing, garbage anti glare, poor factory calibration, hard throttling on the flagship, Tizen being the worst interface).
@@trewright1482 im sorry to hear your one overworked brain cell say such a thing. Did I mention LG? Anywhere? Your comment might make sense if you find a brick wall right now and start smashing your head into it a few times. Then yes maybe you’d be right then (to yourself). But back to reality yes, Panasonic and Sony makes the best TVs as it’s tested each and every year. LG too makes a good set that I can also recommend to people as an option. Samsung is nearly never the best option at most price points. They’re usually getting beat by Hisense and TCL because they’re not great at making TVs, only great at making parts to go into TVs for others with sense to make them right.
I know of 4 people, 4!, and I don't have that many friends, who's Samsung TVs haven't lasted more than a year and a half. Nobody learns from others, but folks, there is something wrong with Samsung. TVs and Monitors.
Additionally: The Bravia 8 has poor HDR PQ tracking, no CMS, only 10 pt white balance controls, and the Smooth Gradation setting has been removed along with other features usually provided on premium Sony displays. I'd probably go with either of the other two displays that cost $800 USD less at 77 inches.
You watched the hdtv guy's review too lol. Problem is...in person, Sony's picture quality is just plain better. All these numbers dont account for that.
@@mrjojo2836I own an A90J and love it, but the Bravia 8 stripping calibration and picture controls away that the 7, 9, and A95L have is a non-starter. And that S-shaped PQ EOTF tracking is less accurate than what the C4 and S90D offer.
What about that magenta tint on QD OLED panels? How much does it ruin the viewing experience (especially contrast and black levels) in a moderately lit room (e.g. with the ceiling light on)?
Abby is the flagship reviewer of Rtings.
She the OLED of TVs
I miss the other guy, but Abby is my favorite
@@peace4myheart uh oh, I really hope she doesn't burn out....or in....
ABBY IS SO HOT
*the only
Just bought the s90d, using it for gaming and streaming. Hopefully I will be free of burn ins
Just make sure to watch (or play) varied content and you should be okay!
Is there nothing on Samsungs TV to counter burn innlike LG?
Burn in is probably not really an issue anymore in OLED, I can't speak for QD OLED but dead pixel on the edge of the panel after few years is a real issue for WOLED, you can search LG CX dead pixel as people are starting to experience this, including me. That's why I will never touch OLED again.
@@warheat-vv4idthe CX is nearly six years old, I have also seen a lot of LCDs starting to break down for other issues in that time span
You mean 5 a bit hard to say 6 when it came out ~2020 april, and not every piece sold on day one 😅@@darthbroda
You know when you just buy a new phone and you see reviews afterwards and they are all talking how crappy that brand new phone of yours is? Well, this isn't the case, since I'm watching this 2 weeks after buying my S90D :D
This is the case for me cause i bought the LG C4 😢
Note : S90D has QMS support for the Apple TV 4K 3rd gen. I connected my Apple TV directly to the TV, and connected my 4K Blu-Ray player directly to my receiver to bypass the lack of DTS support. The S90D is a clear winner here.
So what if I have a soundbar connected to the tv and a ps5 playing a blu ray to tv as well. Will that bypass the lack of support and send DTS straight to the soundbar?
Not really…. Factor in their QC issues and Samsung is the HUGE loser here. I’d rather not have to replace a $2,000-3,000 TV every 2 years because it failed…
Owner of the S95c for Ps5 and movies, i have to say it's an awesome all-around tv
any hdmi blackouts?
@mohammedsmith4047 No, nothing at all 💪
Just waiting for Black Friday to order my S90D, Samsung usually do good deals then. Thanks for your review.
Just got the S90DD costco variant, Love it
Which one is that?
got a new 65 inch G4 for 2k usd from lg partner store, i think that was the winner of 2024 for me
I got my G2 new on sale last year and it's the best TV I've ever owned. Looking to upgrade upgrade my monitor to the C5 next year.
A 65inch g4 for only 2k is insane
@@prestonschumacher1314 lg partner store flash sales, if you can get access def. Samsung was so stingy with their discounts lol
@@prestonschumacher1314 yea, didnt even know the lg partner store existed, I checked samsungs one and they were so stingy, barely any discounts!
Got the same deal. So dope.
Can you compare the s90d woled version
I second this. I am personally disgusted with the idea of Samsung using the inferior WOLED Panels on their own TVs but I would like to know how bad they are.
@@TheAsmileXDSamsung knows no boundaries with disappointment that’s for sure.
+1
@TheAsmileXD they have 2 different sku and that is because of lg display contract requirements to get woled cheaper than LG electronics and unlike LG WOLED. QD OLED advanced significantly from 1st generation to 3rd. Unlike LG who has been making same ex or evo panel for last few years and so many panels left over every year. unlike the qd oled which advanced year to year.
Do you soon get a Panasonic in?
@8:01 yeah they got it……more like the Panasonic got it. Looks like it’s going to be a while.
@@tbecket4890 I have seen that they showed it’s damaged. But that’s a couple of video old. I think they either created a short of it coming in damaged a month ago or a video of it.
Thank you for this video. I’ve been waiting a long time for the comparison
Yeah... I almost got the Samsung S90D; then I saw a bunch of image motion issues in-person and picked up the Sony instead. Videos online can only do so much. Go stand in Costco / Best Buy for a few hours looking at exact same content on the different screens if you want to really choose. Be careful with that -- a lot of TV demos do mostly camera pans for motion -- really watch for specific game and movie / sports humans in motion. You'll see for yourself.
If you’re going to judge off the Costco feed and see them side by side, it’s important to note that Costco employees set up the TVs themselves and the settings are going to be varied. The “motion issues” you described don’t exist outside of aggressive out of the box eco, standard, and dynamic modes and can be turned off or adjusted inside these modes. If you look most sets from all brands are set up in a basic mode with motion interpolation all the way up which exacerbates artifacts in poor feeds like Costco built in feed and sometimes their own demo content.
Same. Compared S90D and C4 in European shop. S90D was so blurred in fast moving content. No 3d effects in games.
You should review the new OLED Sansui TV, I think it might beat other mid-tier OLEDs when it comes to price
Just bought the SAMSUNG S90D 65 inch(QD model)Best tv i have ever seen.....ever..
I really wish we could get QD-OLED panels in the 42 and 48" sizes to use as computer monitors. I feel like that would be the next step from using my 48" LG C2 as a monitor currently. Is it all still 55" and up for QD's in the foreseeable future?
You are brave.
My desktop would send an oled to the graveyard within 18 months.
My PC is always on, and I mean always.
I'll always pick high end mini-leds for monitors until Oled panels are much more robust.
If strictly limited to a few hours of professional use a day I'd take an oled though.
Perfect timing. Thanks for the video
Hope you enjoyed it! 😄
Nice review Abby. Can you please discuss interoperability between the 3 with third party products such as sound bars, home theaters, surround sound and TV recorders. For example, can the S90D remote (which is tiny) operate multiple devices ? thanks
What if my S90D is WOLED? How would it differ the outcome of this comparison?
Yea EU got ripped off with WOLED S90D even in 55-77" size mix 😢
Thanks Abby to you and your team. Same as most, doing the 65" or 77" benefit vs price in my head... for me this is the hard part!!
Are you guys reviewing the new panasonic MiniLed and OLED?
Sony has done little to improve its 8 series (XR80, A80) OLEDs since the a80J, and the implementation of Mediatek’s Pentonic 1000 has done very little to improve performance, not to mention its limited connectivity. I really thought Sony was going to use QD-OLED exclusively on midrange and premium OLEDs. Kudos to LG and Samsung for pushing the limits of its midrange OLEDs.
This is my current issue with my A80J. Lack of connectivity via HDMI and after 2 years this thing is definitely sluggish. Takes a good minute or two on startup to get going and even then it stutters all over. It’s unfortunate. Plan on replacing it with a C4. LG has caught up to Sony in image processing which means I’m done with Sony…
I would go with S90D
same here I'm getting one this weekend..and selling my lg c3
@@HiKielLiHi Nice, let us know how is it ^^
It just lacks the market standard Dolby vision and runs image processing matching like a 2016 Sony lol.
@@devinmurray5280...fine with me
S90D bad for low quality content like TH-cam and no 3d effect so bad for games
I bought a new LG G4 55'' for 1350 euros! With this price (and 5 years panel warranty) there is just no competition!!!!! So happy with it!
Imagine being so poor you have to settle for 55 inch trash instead of the 97 inch version that only costs a mere €24000.
@@thenonexistinghero i guess you can not afford even a 42 C3
@@AlexAlex-io7ox I can afford 42 C3's and then some.
Will you review the Panasonic W95A?
I'm torn between lg g4 s90d and lg c4!i like s90d but I like the processing lg g4 but the cost is insane
Try to get access to the LG partner store. I got a 65” G4 with free soundbar system for 2k.
@@markstorts8303 processing only works on low bit rate 480i and below content. Anything higher than that and all TVs will do excellent. Are you still watching old reruns of MASH?
I’m watching this on my Bravia 8. I still love it but can see why the S90D is liked.
Sadly I missed a recent LG sale where they sold the 65 inch G4 and the dsg10ty soundbar for a combined price of 2100€ or roughly 2300$ including all taxes.
I'm choosing between Samsung s95d and LG G4 55". Which one better for gaming mostly ?
Hey about the build quality, in the rtings review of the s90c it say that the panel is slightly bowed like the s95b and it can worsen if the tv is lifted reapetedly. does that also happens over time if wall mounted? What about full motion mounts and mantle mounts? (Up and down mounts)
I could get 55 inch S85D for about 950$ in my country now, the next cheapest OLED is LG B4 for 1250$. I've seen the reviews and LG is a bit better at everything but surely for this price I should get the Samsung right?
yes
Which one has the best sound? I dont always want to turn on my whole HT system to watch something so I prefer a tv that has decent sound.
Sony for sure. Accoustic surface
I think the main reason why i don't want the S90D is QD-OLED are more susceptible to burn-in - regardless of how you take precaution. Plus, there's already a 65" 4K Samsung in this house. We're not really brand loyal.
You should buy a Bravia 9. Best TV.
In the Rtings test the S95C has fared better when it comes to burn-in compared to the G3.
I would love to see y'all compare how the tv handles not being connected to the Internet because tvs are famously not secure and share a ton of info about their owners.
Bought lg c4 and extremely satisfied
Too dim for me
Your C4's menu seems to be much more fluid than mine, which lags a bit. Is there any setting you changed to improve this?
Looking to upgrade master bedroom LG OLED 55C9 to the 65C4 around X-mas. I have other LG C1 and C2 OLEDs with zero issues and they work perfectly with Sonos soundbars (Cable TV/Streaming, no gaming). Too much of a wild card going Samsung compared to sticking with LG.
I personally don’t like the way Samsung over saturates color.
I’m planning to get my first oled tv. I’ve been eyeing the LG C4 which is $100 more than the C3 atm on Amazon so why not get the latest model right? Waiting for Black Friday to get a sale on the C4.
The Lord of the Rtings: The Fellowship of the Oleds
I have a CX. How big a quality/brightness jump would I see going to a C4? Really debating whether to get a 77 G4 or an 83 C4. Thanks!
Abby I don't know if it's just me but I Falling in Love 😍
Hi, LG 65C4 or 65S90D for watching sports, movies and ps5 gaming? TIA
Huge difference between the s90D and s95C?
Not at all. very close and both are phenomenal TVs
@@jrmcdonald821disappointing TVs* unless heavily discounted.
@@devinmurray5280 You must not own one of these beauty's...
@@jrmcdonald821 of course I don’t I actually know about TVs lol. I wouldn’t even like one for free with all the issues it has. It would drive me insane. I’ve been using a Samsung made QDOLED panel long before you lol. As I am using the first device to use them, the Alienware aw3427dw. The samsung panel is great. It’s the reason why the Sony A95L made such a great TV. Problem is Samsung isn’t great at making TVs. They haven’t made anything decent for the time current times in over half a decade ago. Haven’t made the best TV in at least 10 years. Usually I recommend Panasonic and Sony if you want the best, next best thing is a LG oled. Samsung is more getting eaten alive by TCL and Hisense because they’re value volume over quality. Like getting a burger at McDonald’s.
they basically the same out of the box but if you do mods them (play in the service menu voiding the waranty) the s95c can get brighter from what i've read s90d will top at 1500nits while s95c will top at 2000nits. I've bought s90d and out of the box it is already bright enough tho. some people had issues with the s95c because of the connect box, s90d it's all built-in so better chance to avoid the problems
Bought bravia 8 back in August for $2900 - disappointed. Ordered s90D (based on ratings and reviews) for $2200 and returning bravia. Will see how it goes.
May I ask what disappointed you about the Bravia 8?
@@martykibiswa9885 I liked the Bravia 8 but it seems pretty dim when watching HDR Dolby Vision on netflix but sound, build, and processing kinda makeup for it.
@@martykibiswa9885 Did you not watch the video ? just look how pale the colours look.
@@TheAsmileXDwhen you see them in person the Bravia 8's picture is cleaner and smoother. These guys brush over it having the best image processor and I dont know why. I just spent an hour staring at these 3 at Best Buy-- Samsung looks overly processed/computery, C4 has graininess in its pixellation, esp on human faces...Bravia looks like youre in a movie theatre.
Bravia too dim and too much $$ for what I’d offers.
So... some questions for the HDR loremasters:
Say I want to watch a Dobly Vision movie in my Samsung S90D, will it:
- Be played as an unknown HDR format and look all messed up
- Be played in SDR
- Automatically fall back to HDR10 or HDR10+ (if yes, does this depend on if the video file has the required fallback metadata?)
- Automatically tonemap to HDR10 or HDR10+ during playback (if yes, will this look worse than native HDR10/HDR10+/DV?)
No picture quality difference
@@Jodez23 compared to what? The same footage in a proper DV display?
It will fallback to HDR10 and use its own dynamic tonemapping (DTM) which can often be disabled if you want to see the difference. It is my understanding that DTM has come far enough that DV isn't as important as it used to be, but if you want tonemapping that is more accurate to what was intended it is still going to be the preference for many people.
Did the Bravia 8 HDR brightness improve after the recent update?
Watch HDTVtest recent video on the Bravia 8; wait and see what Sony does (or get one of the other two)
I have a S95B and it lasted just a little over a year before, what I suspect, it failed due to a power supply issue. Make sure you have an extended warranty if you buy a Samsung.
65" S90C is only $1299, $300 less than the D at Costco where you get 5 year warranty at no cost.
Costco's warranties don't cover burn-in which is still a concern at this point where as you can get Best Buy's 5 year extended warranty through Geek Squad and it covers any burn-in related issues.
@@chazz1515 It costs $300.
@@chazz1515 It's $300 extra and if you're concerned about burn in, don't buy an OLED TV.
Strange, as far as I can find is the Samsung a normal OLED not a QD-OLED as here is stated. Do I miss something?
Thanks rtings
I bought a Bravia 8 it'll be my first time using a 4K TV.
144hz is only of use if your using a top end PC and yes the SONY is slightly less bright but this is only an issue in a brightly light room and for me samsung's colour is abit over saturated overblown even if its a QD oled if you want the very best OLED buy last years SONY A80L QD OLED its the best 65" TV ever made
But what if s90d isn't QD oled in your region
Take a S95D instead...Just be aware of it's anti-glare screen
I keep my sets for very long and the sub par build quality and longevity that Abby mentioned means i will go with the well made and years of use of LG'sr WOLED.
Price wise the older LG G3 would be an option better than the C4. And it comes with 5 years panel warranty
Funny how no push back for dolby vision like I looked on samsung website on the oled and barely any mention of hdr10+ that Samsung promotes
Because Dolby Vision is the premium Dynamic Metadata HDR that many streaming and especially disc based content is mastered with as an option to HDR10 static. HDR10+ in content count is much much lower in adoption and application on premium content.
@@Assyrianair4orce and DV is a joke and not necessary for high end Oleds like these.
@@trewright1482 name a movie u ever watched in a movie theater that has hdr10+
@@Assyrianair4orce HDR10 is the default for Samsung and its just as good and bright and colorful as DV if not more. You can't tell the difference and has been proven by many in the TV industry...
I would have gone with the Samsung, but I am a movie and shows media user, so no DTS and no Dolby Vision was a bummer. Did the Panasonic come from Amazon. I read a few comments from Amazon site people sending it back for replacement due to damage or failed startup. Not a good showing for Panasonic.
hdr is a scam well calibareted 4k sdr all the way
@@Scuurprolmfao if reality wasn’t real I would agree with you. Most content is mastered in HDR. Such a comment is a complete lack of understanding of HDR formats and tech.
Do you share your Samsung s90d picture settings? Can't afford a pro. Thank you!
I am in market to buy a tv prefer 65” for bright living room. Please please please advise.
I Just bought the s90d and it came with a noticiable hoinzontal y vertical banding. This is normal ir u should return it?
Yup, samsung with qd-oled is best, but in Eastern Europe there are high chance you get the Woled panel so its better choice to get LG...
I swear Abby reminds me so much of tech Jesus. Two of the best in the tech review business.
What I realized is that for my living room… doesn’t matter how good a tv is on paper, if it has crazy glare it’s useless.
I would assume you would get curtains or tune off the lights
@@richr161 nah man… the lights need to stay on… it’s open concept. And the windows already have blackout curtains.
the s90d is also 120 hz?? i just looked it up
Hey RTINGS, Can you check out the latest firmware update 23.20.40 on the G4? Apparently it bumped up the brightness output pretty significantly.....
Personally, having seen all of them in store, the Samsung was my least favorite. Colors were WAY too saturated and just looked fake. The brightness was absurd and damn near eye searing. Then of course, there’s Sammy’s QC issues which are well known. I could never justify spending $2,000-3,000 with the fear that the TV can crap out in a year or two…
For me, the LG strikes the perfect balance of colors and brightness. Its gaming features also standout massively and it does DTS and DV for physical media which I collect. Its full support of HDMI 2.1 across all ports is also HUGE! It’s also nice to see LG has caught up to Sony in image processing! LG is the clear winner here!
Samsung also uses WOLED panels in S90Ds that are less than 55 inches. Under 55 inches, the C4 is the clear winner
S90Ds under 55 and over 77 inches use WOLED to be specific
The c4 no color for gaming sorry
@@yeorges Thats not true lol i have the s90d & an LGc3 and the c3 is more than capable of hanging with the s90d for color & better for movies, motion & processing.
@@jrmcdonald821Lg Cope is real…
Under 55" the Sony A90K is the clear winner
Yes but what about the raised black issues on qdoled? There are videos that prove the issue is evident. Thw question is how much does it affect the general perception of true deep black.
What’s the top 3 tvs you recommend? I watch streaming services and game on PlayStation
#1: Sony Bravia 9
#2: Panasonic W95A
#3: Sony Bravia 7
I would like to see ‘Farmer Abby’ from the blooper reel get to do a whole review 😂
I thought I hit the jackpot when I bought the G4 until the magic remote reared it's annoying head to plague me for the live of the television or I get annoyed enough to replace it early. The Magic Remote is a cursor function that appears on the television whenever you shake the remote quickly or pick it up off the bed quickly. It's super unintuitive laggy and can't be shut off. Why LG Force this down arthro is beyond me.
My S90D will not recognize 144hz, I have tried everything I can in HDMI 2.1. I use my panel as a monitor for my PC, and I have an AMD Radeon 7900XT graphics card, more than capable to run 144hz, any advice?
I have the s90d and I have to say it’s a beast.
Can't wait to have it. I don't trust in oled, so think mini qled would be the best choice.
@@csillaherczeg Sony Bravia 9 is the best Mini QLED TV ever made and it trades blows with the best OLED and QD-OLEDS out there.
I have the Sony Bravia 9 (85") and it's a monster that eats beasts for breakfast.
@@vgnvideogameninja2930stop it! The Bravia 9 is a great tv but it doesn’t beat oled period.
Funny how the Sony Bravia 9 is brighter than these 3 combined.
i bought the c4 Because only that was available in under 50inch
Owning the S90D, it’s horrible for movies and TV. Gaming it’s amazing. I wouldn’t go based on rtings. Best all round go Sony oled.
The Bravia has deeper blacks compared to the C4
I will get the G4 it's the best TV
Funny how Samsung are swapping QDOLED out for WOLED and none of the reviewers are calling out this disgusting panel lottery.
Once you see the red Netflix color on S93C, there is no turning back. That red cant be described in words
Yeah WOLEDs simply can't produce these beautiful natural colours like that.
@@TheAsmileXD In the UK, the only model that uses QD-OLED is the 65-inch version annoyingly
@@TheAsmileXD Natural?? ppl slammed samsung for years for being too saturated & potent, now these things are considered natural & better.
Not just about saturated colour, at 39 secs that artificial blue grass of woled is the reason I'll never go back and after comparing them in person it's not just the effect of the camera
@@paulhoey9803 In person both look great & my C3 does not have that blue/green tint & I have both s90d & LG c3 they both trade blows & look better on both depending on the scene.
C4 and S90D are no-brainers. In Thailand, Sony TVs are always two times more expensive, for whatever reason.
Might I add that only Sony has an ATSC 3.0 tuner?
Being Samsung doesn’t have Dolby vision and substantially worse processing (which rtings doesn’t test very as it’s very basic) always makes it last place with these. Samsung makes some great parts for others to make great products.
Dolby Vision is important with weaker TVs, a TV as capable as the S90D doesn't need DV and processing is important when mainly watching low quality content.
@@devinmurray5280 LG Cope is real…
@@darthbroda that’s *entirely* incorrect and not how HDR works lol. Dolby vision doesn’t work on weaker TVs that lack good lighting system’s because all HDR formats need good hardware. Dolby vision is the best and most common offering. In most areas if you don’t have Dolby vision you step back to basic HDR10 that lacks dynamic metadata. Making Samsung usually the inferior option out in the wild even if we ignore their other glaring issues (inferior processing, garbage anti glare, poor factory calibration, hard throttling on the flagship, Tizen being the worst interface).
@@trewright1482 im sorry to hear your one overworked brain cell say such a thing. Did I mention LG? Anywhere? Your comment might make sense if you find a brick wall right now and start smashing your head into it a few times. Then yes maybe you’d be right then (to yourself).
But back to reality yes, Panasonic and Sony makes the best TVs as it’s tested each and every year. LG too makes a good set that I can also recommend to people as an option. Samsung is nearly never the best option at most price points. They’re usually getting beat by Hisense and TCL because they’re not great at making TVs, only great at making parts to go into TVs for others with sense to make them right.
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Hi Abby❤❤❤😊
I know of 4 people, 4!, and I don't have that many friends, who's Samsung TVs haven't lasted more than a year and a half. Nobody learns from others, but folks, there is something wrong with Samsung. TVs and Monitors.
Is it true that Bravia 8 no longer has the XR co-processor?
WOLED is better because it gets brighter safer and lives longer
LOVE YOU ABBY YOU'RE SUCH A CUTIE-PIE! ☺
S90D is the clear winner🎉🎉🎉
Really? Samsung doesn’t even have Dolby Vision support…
Additionally: The Bravia 8 has poor HDR PQ tracking, no CMS, only 10 pt white balance controls, and the Smooth Gradation setting has been removed along with other features usually provided on premium Sony displays.
I'd probably go with either of the other two displays that cost $800 USD less at 77 inches.
You watched the hdtv guy's review too lol. Problem is...in person, Sony's picture quality is just plain better. All these numbers dont account for that.
@@mrjojo2836I own an A90J and love it, but the Bravia 8 stripping calibration and picture controls away that the 7, 9, and A95L have is a non-starter. And that S-shaped PQ EOTF tracking is less accurate than what the C4 and S90D offer.
What about that magenta tint on QD OLED panels? How much does it ruin the viewing experience (especially contrast and black levels) in a moderately lit room (e.g. with the ceiling light on)?
You only really notice this if your room is as well lit as a store. So usually you can't even see it.
I had both side by side with all content that people use at home and bravia is better she has no idea
In europe we have the Panasonic hzw2004 for the same price as the b8😂 in every size
BEST:S90D
WORST:B8
Bravia 9 wins
It's SONY SONY SONY All day long It's more color accurate more cinematic and better motion handling and better upscaling
These are not midrange tvs, these are high tier