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MYTH: Yuan Shao was arrogant and did not enjoy those who were not from aristocratic background like himself. TRUTH: Yuan Shao was handsome and respectable to everyone regardless of their background. Yuan Shao was very popular(he didnt become coalition leader by talking down to everyone) and was just as capable of recruiting capable people as Cao Cao, I would dare to say that Cao Cao probably learned this trait from Yuan Shao as a teenager. The arrogant aristocrat who felt like he deserve to rule due to his background better describes his half-brother/cousin Yuan Shu. Yuan Shao's biggest weakness was rather indecisiveness and lack of initiative.
Yuan Shao just didn't listen to his advisors, Cao Cao listened to Xu You for example then killed him as he was too irritating, sums up their approaches right there. Yuan Shao was very brave actually often leading on the front lines with his men against Gongsun Zhan saying a leader should die with his men, that's already 1000 times more noble than anything Liu Bei did, and it's kind of incredible he gets portrayed as a super poncy guy that hides behind his men.
@@Spaced92 Liu Bei was personally killed Cao Cao's generals in the battlefield, such as 车胄, 蔡阳, defeated Cao Cao's generals such as 夏侯惇、于禁、李典 in the 博望坡. Too bad most of Liu Bei's achievements were attributed to Zhuge Liang and Guan Yu, when in reality, Liu Bei was the one who planned and executed this plan, and even bravely fought in the battlefield against Cao Cao's general.
@@darimiwamubarak 夏侯惇 was a brilliant statesman, but an average general. 于禁、李典 on the other hand were extremely respectable, so I'm surprised Liu Bei was able to do anything against them.
Imagine listening the advise of two unreliable advisers: a kinsman of Guo Jia and a drunkard former fellow Captain of the Western Garden Army (the personal private army of the late Emperor Ling of Han); and disregarded and harmed the loyalties and lives of Zhang He, Xu You, Tian Feng, Ju Shou, and Xin Ping
Cao Cao may not smart as Zhu ge Liang but he knows how to lead people he knows how to enforce order and the most important of all is that he knows the people
@@Okuni_ No in the novel it is Cao Cao who said that, and following this Guo Jia advised caution: -"As they were discussing these things, Guo Jia came in, and Cao Cao suddenly referred the matter to him. -"If I attack Liu Bei, then Yuan Shao is to be feared. What do you think of it?" Guo Jia said, "Yuan Shao by nature is dilatory and hesitating, and his various advisers are jealous of each other. He is not to be feared. Liu Bei is getting together a new army and has not yet won their hearts. You could settle the east in one battle."
@@thanakonpraepanich4284 Yuan Shao just wanted to show off, to let people see he is open minded and famous people love him. Well, he was more or less jealous of his advisors. He's not leading them, but more like competing with them
They were both from rich noble families in the Han capital Luoyang where they became friends. Wikipedia: "according to the Biography of Cao Man, Cao Cao's uncle complained to Cao Song about Cao Cao's indulgence in hunting and music with Yuan Shao."
Da Huang actually it's not pure blooded issue. Cao Cao's father Cao Song once paid a lot of money to a very powerful eunuch for gaining higher official position, and he even changed his family name (which was XiaHou) into Cao (that powerful eunuch's family name), that's why these old nobles like Yuan Shao, doesn't appreciate Cao Cao in their minds.
Compared to the power, life is cheap in the eyes of ambitious politician, and the dead in a war is only a matter of number in a paper report only. Cao Cao is a very successful warlord, he has done many cruel decisions in many of his campaigns, which enable him to weaken his opponent as big as possible, but once he took control of his opponent land, he is managed to carry out many effective policy, which made him have a relatively high reputation among the civilian population
I wonder if Nobunaga read of Cao Cao's exploits in "Romance of the Three Kingdoms", and took note of the latter's strategies. "Three Kingdoms" would've been a >200 year old classic by time Nobunaga was born, and the man appears to have highly literate.
@@Mr.LaughingDuck 200 more years? More like 1000 more years. Nobunaga's time was closer to us than to Cao cao. 😅 Edited: Oh sorry you mean The Romance of 3 Kingdoms. Yes, I think it's a possibility. Ancient Japanese had a love-hate relationship with China, like a bastard son trying to surpass his father
"Domains under heaven, after a long period of division, tends to unite; after a long period of union, tends to divide. This has been so since antiquity." Those are first words of the great Chinese novel Romance of the Three Kingdoms. I think they describe that era very well.
That’s a poor translation, an loses much of it’s intended grandeur. Here is a better version: “The empire, long united must divide, long divided must unite.
According to the Romance chapter and opera "Riding alone for thousands of miles," Guan Yu served Cao Cao during the Battle of Guandu and was an integral part of his victory. After Liu Bei's defeat, Guan Yu was separated from his lord and no news came of whether or not Liu had survived. Guan then offered his service to Cao on the condition that if and when Liu ever appeared he would have to leave Cao to return to his sworn brother. Liu Bei did re-emerge after the Guandu and Guan thus took his leave from Cao Cao's forces. Along the way back, many of Cao's officers tried to stop Guan Yu, fearing his prowess in the inevitable battles he would fight against them, but none were successful. Cao Cao himself scolded them for trying to stop Guan, saying that they could all learn a lesson from his loyalty and virtue.
@@jagvillani338 As much as I love the novel, it's not a good source of info. Records of the Three Kingdoms is a more suitable source. I learned a good deal of cool little tidbits, including officers that don't have wikipedia pages as they are so obscure.
After crashing Yuan Shao, Cao Cao found many letters sent to Yuan Shao by many of his subordinates, trying to surrender. Then Cao Cao burned all letters and said: "even I believed I would lose in the difficult times."
Cao cao was brilliant enough to acknowledge all of it, but burn all of them. forgave all his men. that's why they are super loyal to cao cao. Liu bei was ordered by emperor himself to go create a coalition against cao cao to rescue the emperor
NOW THIS, THIS IS LOVE. I basically grew up with the Three Kingdoms and Chinese History and seeing that you're covering one of the most important battles in Cao Cao's rise to power is amazing! Keep it up!
The thing is Cao Cao had all the talented advisors standing beside him such as Guo Jia, Xun Yu, Xun You, Cheng Yu and Liu Ye and he constantly consulted for their opinions, Yuan Shao had bunch of advisors who were just as equally talented as Cao Cao's side such as Tian Feng, Guo Tu, Xu You, but he always failed to listen to their advices.
yuan shao is most of the time indecisive, and then when yuan shao is decisive he is super decisive. but then his son is sick he loses the spirit for war. cao cao is always battle ready mode. Xun Yu was a super genius advisor too.
A common theme in history. The moment someone decides they're better than their advisors, they tend to lose... Hitler. Mussolini. Stalin and his purges of Red Army officers.
For those who confuse about the story, especially if you watch Three Kingdom TV Series .. Here's the summary, Record of the Three Kingdom = made by Chen Shou (233-297), An official historian from Jin dynasty (found by Sima Yan, he's Sima Yi decedent). Consider historical version of Han - Three Kingdom Era. Romance of the Three kingdom = Romantic-novel version from Three Kingdom era, heavily influenced by Chen Shou work. RTK was made by Luo Guanzhong (1330-1400), a writer from Ming Dynasty. He's Chinese Version of Shakespeare.
After Romance of the Three Kingdoms and Dynasty Warriors, now we have vivid animations and engines from Total War series to display this part of the history. It's exciting to see the reincarnation of one of the three top-notch and most decisive battles during that era from K&G. Keep up the good work!
tkt is shit, the game looks ugly with smaller units and only 18 full size units per army... and the game has many bigs with twitchy units, the AI does not protect the walls and use their archers as frontline units in sieges, th-cam.com/video/5lK6HBSc1uE/w-d-xo.html
This was a very effective sponsored video. I hadn't considered getting Total War Three Kingdoms, but this historical context presentation really put me in the mood and is causing me to seriously look into getting this game.
The history is colorful and worth playing a strategy game specialized towards this era. However, the total war three kingdoms is seriously lacking in gameplay. It seems fucked so watch out with ordering it
This is amazing! I have read Romance of Three Kingdoms a few times and watched the TV drama renditions produced by China. But one of the biggest frustration I have with reading this novel is that I could never appreciate the tactics used in the battles because its very difficult to picture them in my head if I don't have sufficient military knowledge. Your videos took all of those frustrations away. Please make more videos of various battles that happened in the Three Kingdom era!!!
@@Alphenord Not really, even after Guandu, Yuan still holds more army and supplies than Cao. But his sudden death(due to huge humiliation) and left without appointing a certain successor was the final straw. The internal strife among his sons gave Cao the chance to eliminate Yuan family once and for all
@@danternas he was pretty badass during his youth and during his time serving He Jin, he lead He Jin loyalist to imperial palace and kill eunuch faction
Yeah, I remember it too. At first, I was like, "you're encroaching on my man CiviliaHistoris's territory", - but these guys offered a great alternative and are really good at presentation. They're the biggest now, right?
Cao Cao 's character is so confused that he is a poet, a warrior, a general, a bad ass, a leader with surrounded generals who love him and die for him, also he is a good father
He was also more genocidal; that’s the one thing about him that was actually more evil in real life than in to stories. Though pretty much nobody involved was a good person in the slightest at that point.
"Yuan Shao, If I were you, I would never agree to a truce with Cao Mengde. I'd only build a great tomb of marble of him. That's because, for as long as there's breath in him, Cao Mengde will never be defeated in battle!" -Cao Cao.
The early careers of Cao Cao's was perhaps one of the most interesting profiles to study. Having started out as merely one of the many bit player warlords, he was able to repeatedly get an advantage on much bigger, tougher foes by fully utilizing talented individuals and having high initiative to balance the odds. \(இдஇ )/ His dynamism and cunning makes him a very interesting figure to read, combining elements of a ruthless CEO and a battle hungry general. But best of all? His ultimate goal is not that bad either, to unite the land under one banner again and this time under able leadership. This is why he is always portrayed either as a dangerous (but interesting) villain who can always exploit the situation and challenge the protagonists, or a great gray anti-hero, a Byronic rebel reformer ready to to the utmost to accomplish his goals while ruthlessly burning the rotten elements down. He would have been the undisputed master of the post Han world if not for a realm of worthy heroes who opposed him.
his surname is Liu, the Han dynasty royal family surname is Liu, therefore he can make up legitimacy claims on the throne, who knows if he is part of the royal family, it's like saying in your grandpas inheritance will, only family can take part of the money, then all of a sudden someone with your gramps last name said that he is related to your gramps and wants part of the will, granted today we got dna matches, back then you only got your mouth.
@@dyingearth that's why I think he is a tier above fools like the Yuan brothers, one is indecisive while the other is brazen enough to paint a target on his back. Cao Cao acts in always to consolidate his power and aim toward the long game without doing anything the prematurely jeopardize it.
Man I was very happy to see this notification, been quite the fan of Chinese History. Hope you please also cover the Warring States Period and the Qin Reunification. Lots of thanks from Kenya. This is probably my favorite channel on TH-cam. At least definitely my favorite history channel seconded by others like unknown5, epimetheus, history time and ancient history lover.
5:40 Just a small correction, while Yue Jin was a key general at the battle of Dushi Ford, the similar named general Yu Jin was the one actually in charge of the forces.
Yeah its a confusing one even in the games. Yue Jin and Yu Jin. Much can be said about Xun Yu and Xun You too. Their names are confusing but did similar jobs in the Wei Dynasty. Xun Yu and Xun You were related in fact.
The over stretch for food supply of Yuan Shao was the key for Cao Cao to win an overwhelmed enemy. This was the first time where raiding the supply become victory factor.
You didn't mention that when Cao Cao was leading the raid on Yuan Shao's food depot in Wuchao, he had his men disguised as Yuan's soldiers. The Yuan defenders did not detect the treachery and allowed them passage into the depot. They were surprised when they were suddenly attacked.
Another video so shortly!? It must be my birthday 😁. It will be in 10 days and to get another video would be a very great present. Thanks kings as usual you guys are great 👍
This is one of the best episodes yet! I always wondered who all of the various characters were when i was playing Dynasty Warriors as a kid. I just never seemed to get around to studying them. Cao Cao, was a clever general indeed.
whats with abandoning horses??? like I understanding abandoning weapons, armor and valuables in order to flee faster, but whats with abandoning horses? like seriously??? who leaves the horses behind when fleeing???
@@64standardtrickyness horses were some of the most valuable things at that time especially as some were founded from a foreign breed brought originally to the court of the emperor, people might not stop just for weapons but they sure as hell aren't going to leave good horses for somebody else to take
The book Romance of the Three Kingdoms is well know classic novel in whole Far East Asia. It has been translate to Japanese and Korean for hundreds years. It also been translate to English for years, it was call real Far East game of throne. Many Japanese and Chinese game companies develop game base on Three Kingdoms. In Chinese temples you often can see Guan Yu as saint of valiant. To know more about Far East Asia you should read Romance of the Three Kingdoms which billion people on earth read that before.
Ghost hardly , probably thousands upon thousands of westerners were introduced to chinese history through games based on Romance & went on to look into many aspects of chinese history.
How are these civil wars perceived in China today? I mean from a moralic point of view. Are all these generals seen as criminals who stole the throne and exploited the people or is it seen legitimate?
@@0000-z4z Well....Later generations'comments on the history of the Three Kingdoms are quite special. Because it has its own history (The Records of Three Kingdoms) and romantic literary works (The Romance of the Three Kingdoms). We usually look at your problem from two perspectives：From the angle of official history, it is a matter of course that a fatuous last dynasty was destroyed. As long as you can defeat other opponents, everyone has the right to win the throne. The winner is justice. In a sense, "Natural selection, survival of the fittest" is the survival rules of nature and human society. So People tend to evaluate the person's achievements rather than whether his actions are legitimate. From the perspective of Literary Works, Romance of The Three Kingdoms is compiled into a semi-fictional literary masterpiece during the Ming Dynasty by Luo Guanzhong. The novel comprises around 70+% fact and 20+% fiction.Their influence source by Confucianism manifest in the following concepts: loyalty to the emperor and being patriotic, practicing moral culture or destiny and leisure. The author regards Liu Bei, the declining aristocrat of the Han Dynasty, as a legitimate monarch. And these narratives also center on the Liu Bei camp as the central recurring character who frames and organizes the talk. So people are more willing to support the orthodox successors portrayed by the author.
@@0000-z4z It's literally 2000 years ago, and it was a civil war, so we are not that emotionally invested in things like "criminal" or "legitimacy". As to exploiting people, at that age most of the population was illiterate and starving anyway, living under the ruling dynasties and warlords was not that different. That being said, we generally do not really believe in such things as "legitimacy of dynasties", we think that when a dynasty cannot hold itself together then it deserves to be overthrown, and conversely that if a dynasty got overthrown it meant that it had its own problems. Cao Cao was, apart from a famous warlord and general, also a great poet, a lot of people today admire him, while others point out that he at occasions massacred entire cities. Liu Bei in history had a very inspiring story of rising from grassroot to greatness, and was admired for his tenacity and great aspirations even at the most difficult times.
Congratulations on a half million subs. While I have no idea how accurate Daven's pronunciation of these names and places actually is, he certainly sounds the part, and does an impressively nice job at it. -Jake
I meant to mention this in the last video but man these animations are top notch. i love youtube and how its replacing the history channel with quality content!
Wait for the battle of the red cliffs where cao cao meets his match, I'm quite certain it'll get featured, it's one of the most famous battles in Chinese history en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Red_Cliffs
If I am not wrong Cao Cao only lost twice in his military career first time lost to Zhou Yu at red cliff second time lost to Liu Bei at Campaign of Hanzhong
There is a famous story aftermath of this decisive battle. Cao Cao got many papers & letters from Yuan Shao's camp. All those were written by Cao Cao's officers/staffs to Yuan Shao. A Cao Cao's subordinate asked Cao Cao should he arrest all those men communicated to enemy Yuan Shao. Cao Cao but just told subordinates he spared all these men & burned all those papers/letters. Cao Cao said even he could only merely defend himself from Yuan Shoa's mighty strength before battle. He showed understanding & forgiveness about his officers/staffs looking for safety before battle concluded. Cao Cao was very alike Caesar. The combination of cruelty & generousness made them very powerful leader.
Awesome!!! I knew you were going to do a Three Kingdom era video/series eventually. Cool video K&G. Cao Cao was a badass historical figure of his time.
I love how the narrator called Liu Bei “a traitorous warlord” because that’s exactly what he was. Dude backstabbed everyone he ever allied himself with. I really hate that guy.
I just hate how Liu Bei is hailed as a hero in fiction when he was the biggest backstabber of the era, that’s all. Nice to see someone actually call him that for once.
CM Chuck the real Liu Bei is far more interesting than the “benevolent” one the games portray, I don’t overly hate the real one, but he was a bit of an ass. He’s mostly painted as the nice hero because of bias from the ROTK author- it’s not that he wasn’t a kind person to the people, it’s just that his agenda is very different.
Just came to this channel after seeing you comment in another political channel. Not sure what to expect, I clicked in and saw your first recommended playlist was on my favorite era of history, the Three Kingdoms era. I didn't expect this amount of talent and detail into your videos, and also didn't plan on Pre-ordering Total War or even getting it so close to release, but ended up doing so to help your channel.
I can't wait to see more videos on this period. As a long time Dynasty Warriors fan, I've always been fascinated by both the original novel and the actual history behind it.
I like how you called Liu Bei treacherous, most of the time people would call him a nice person but he really isn't that much better than the other warlords.
@@nobblkpraetorian5623 The Emperor didnt trust Cao Cao initially. So he ordered Cao Cao's assassination and it failed. In the years that followed, Cao Cao and the Emperor actually became friends and supported him. Cao Cao was mistrusted for a number of reasons. One was the fact that Dong Zhuo had alot of influence over him especially when the Emperor replaced his brother on the throne because of Dong Zhuo's support. Zhuo used the Emperor as a puppet for his own lust for power which prompted the Coalition against him in the early 190s AD. The Battle of Hu Lao Gate was the turning point against Dong Zhuo and led to Zhuo's own loss of power and betrayal by his greatest general Lu Bu. So I can imagine it took time for the Emperor to realize the errors of his views towards Cao Cao.
@@KingsandGenerals emperor Xian promoted liu bei as imperial uncle the first day of meeting him(liu beis 18th great grandfather was closely tied to the emperor). Emperor Xian wanted someone to take down cao cao, secretly ordered him to go out and and gather warlords to attack cao cao. Liu Bei became powerful later because he always understood righteousness first. Cao cao by contrast was Han prime minister on the surface, actually a Han treacheror. Liu Bei later announced Han and Thieves ( cao cao) cannot co-exist, gained support of many people who are loyal to the Han Dynasty
lmao, liu bei is an back stabber, do you seriously believe the emperor liked him at first sight? he obviously groomed him with his curated reputation, and servants. and do you seriously believe he obeys the words of an child emperor with ptsd? he's cunning and self serving, and you fell for his propaganda 2000 years latter@@alexlinn3754
This battle reminds me of the battle of red cliff but reversal of positions, where Cao Cao is defending here whilst attempting to invade the latter. It almost appears similar circumstances that occurred to Yuan Shao here occurred to Cao Cao at red cliff but Cao Cao was able to recover
Happy Chinese New Year! 新年快乐 Wish your subscribers would be doubled/tripled/quintupled(more and more)in the new coming year and you can complete the series of the Viking, Caesar, Roman Empire, Ottoman, Hundred Years’ War, Italian War, Napoleon, German Unification, American Civil War and others Very glad to see you make videos about the Three kingdoms Period! Premier Cao’s great achievement is preventing the situation- “Around 30 so-called barrack Emperors or soldier Emperors were crowned in the next fifty years” He maintain The unity of the Han Empire-(namely just one emperor in the years of 196-220)
The 2010 version really feels like it took some cues from Dynasty Warriors which is what makes it pretty awesome to watch on its own. The 1994 version is pretty faithful to the novels and sometimes you can get confused over who is who because of its pacing. Both series are great to watch for their own merits but if you are short on time and want that Dynasty Warrior rush, then the 2010 version is probably more to your liking.
Wonderful showing of the layout of battle and showing Cao's Cao's general significance for the victory and not a certain exaggerated god of war. Look forward to see more.
@@pinkpuff4846 I worked through School Bro and bought all my entertainment toys myself. Perhaps if you are in school you should spend more time in your books and not PC games. Your life though Bro but I get it, I had to work twice as hard cause SM Civ games gave me a good addiction through college!
A bit of inaccuracies/mistakes at around 5:20. . (1) It's a bit inaccurate to say Cao Cao was Liu Bei's "lord" ... in that the commonplace term used to describe someone in a situation like Liu Bei was a "guest general." A defeated lord in China, often tended to seek the hospitality, protection, and patronage of another lord, and while it was possible the "guest" might just end up under the service of the "host", it was also possible that the "host" would actually help the "guest" to rise up again. Both instances happened numerously in China, and Liu Bei was not under the service of Cao Cao around 200 CE. The term "patron" or "host" would have been more proper. . (2) 05:23 narrates " (Liu Bei) pledged himself to Yuan Shao's half-brother" ... which seems to be a major mix-up. Yuan Shao's half-brother Yuan Shu died in 199 CE. I'm guessing it's due to the complicated nature of political events during the time might have caused a bit of a confusion. Initially, Liu Bei was under the service of Gongsun Zahn, and the warlords were divided into two major rivaling coalitions: Yuan Shao/Cao Cao/Liu Biao vs. Gongsun Zahn/Yuan Shu/Tao Qian. However, Liu Bei slipped away from Gongsun Zahn's control and took governorship of Xu province after Tao Qian's death.. and then defected to the Yuan-Cao coalition. He never 'pledged' himself to anyone since then. At 200 CE, after gaining control of Xu province for the second time (after a seriously complicated chain of events) he allied with Yuan Shao when the Yuan-Cao coalition broke up.
Cao Cao is probably the most cunning general this channel has shown me. Every other time cavalry hunts a vanguard, there is either a counter attack or a massacre, but Cao Cao exploited human greed to avoid the situation altogether. Brilliantly simple.
Burning the Yuan Shao's grainary instead of capturing it when his army was starving was pretty daring move too. Yuan Shao probably thought that Cao Cao must have tons of food left so there was no point prolonging the war and he should strike immediately.
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Well, this is a veeeeery pleasant surprise for a tuesday, thanks K&G :D I've known bits of the 3 kingdoms history via the Dynasty Warriors games in my childhood, it's great coming back to it this way^^
Love this channel and have been super hyped for 3 kingdoms release as well. Long time player of both Rome/Empire TW and Dynasty Warriors so am expecting nothing less than epicness!
Dong Zhuo was actually rather useless against the Yellow Turbans, he only gained power after He Jin's demise. Other than that, Ma Teng was the major hegemon in the west, whereas Han Sui was more of a subordinate ally.
japanese games with a half arsed english dub, the games are fantastic but the early localizations are quite ridiculous, I'm pretty sure the same games referred to dumplings as onions at one point before later correcting to meat buns
Sorry mate! But Chinese accent is quite hard for a non native tongue. I've tried eat only rice and ramen with chopstick exclusively for three days. Yet still butchering all the pronounciation.
@@fajaradi1223 I picked it up fairly easily, phonetic mandarin is basically set up so children in none mandarin regions can easily pick it up, just a matter of learning the alphabet/basic sounds, and none of them are really complicated motions for the mouth to make imo, Swedish was a lot tougher in that part.
WTF is the first half part of the video, it completely misunderstood the series of events that led to the rise of Dong Zhuo. When the video said that Dong was charged in 184 with restoring order to the realm, the map is showing him crushing the yellow turbans in the east. In reality Dong Zhuo was utterly rekt by yellow turbans and demoted, and where he shined was in the western province of Liang(Liangzhou in the video), that means when Emperor Ling died and Grand General He Jin ordered the frontier troops to capital to help him eliminating the enunches ( Notice this point, the reason of Dong's march on Luoyang, is oversimplified by the video into insubordination and a simple lust of power), Dong marched east towards the capital, while the video is showing him marching west. Then the video said that Dong "initially" burned down Luoyang, then got to Chang'an and enthroned a child. How can you mess up the timeline so entirely? Dong Zhuo marched east from Liangzhou to imperial capital Luoyang, then he took the opportunity of a power vacuum left by the assassination of He Jin to dethrone the current emperor and enthrone another child candidate, in Luoyang, not in Chang'an. It was this action that enraged the entire empire and resulted in the anti-Dong Zhuo coalition "Guandong Alliance" which is shown in the video. It was the coaltion forces' closing in on the Imperial capital that caused Dong to abandon and burn the capital Luoyang, and retreated into the western old capital of Chang'an, where is closer to his power base, the forementioned Liangzhou. The lack of research reflected in the first 3 minutes of this video makes me very disappointed because this happened before with the china-related videos of this channel, as i recall the facade of mistaking Western Liao for Western Xia, and the Chinese Jin dynaty for Jurchen Jin dynasty in the Rise of Mongol video.
Accidents happen lets remain calm and great intel on this period of time ^_^! It is good to help them out it is hard to memorize everything including timelines and the like. I also was concerned over the bits you mentioned because I remember reading in-depth of Chinese history during this era of time and he certainly was defeated by the Yellow Turbans in 184 while being amazing in the west. Overall I enjoyed this video and it does show what not to do in terms of military strategy!
@@devinsiner5489 As someone familiar with both the Records and Romance, i can tell you on the rise of Dong there's no significant difference between the two versions, and both versions are nothing like the one presented in the video.
Cao Cao really is a tactical and strategic genius on so many levels. I feel like you portrayed him in a positive light here, except for the end detail about burying his captives alive, which is interesting because Dynasty Warriors portrays him as being evil. You described Liu Bei as being a traitor, which is also interesting because Dynasty Warriors describes him as being a hero. Thanks for the change of perspective!
The Record of the Three Kingdoms, the official historical account of the period, saw the kingdom Wei as the legitimate ruler of China, while the Romance of The Three Kingdoms--written in the Ming dynasty--portrayed Liu Bei as the hero. Since the novel was a big hit in East Asia, and there were TV series and games based on this novel, Liu Bei became the hero in the minds of the masses.
Let’s not forget that Chi Bi is the largest naval battle ever fought. True the numbers heavily favored Cao Cao since he had something near 2000 warships, the Shu-Wu alliance did hold about 50-100... placing the total naval forces at 2100. No WW2 battle, Roman, or Greek battlefield approaches that as far as I’m aware. If I’m incorrect, please let me know the battle because I would love to learn about it. Naval battles fascinate me greatly.
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I will. I love three kingdoms since ps1 era
Thanks for doing this episode guys been in love with this story since I was young!!
As the great Sun Tzu once said "The supreme art of the pre-order is to subdue the customer before the game is reviewed"
Or in short "to sell a game without having to make it a good one, is best."
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why yes yes, a very profound man Sun Tsu was.
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Three kingdoms actually turned out really good according to reviews. I’m poor, so I haven’t bought it yet, but I look forward to it.
MYTH: Yuan Shao was arrogant and did not enjoy those who were not from aristocratic background like himself.
TRUTH: Yuan Shao was handsome and respectable to everyone regardless of their background. Yuan Shao was very popular(he didnt become coalition leader by talking down to everyone) and was just as capable of recruiting capable people as Cao Cao, I would dare to say that Cao Cao probably learned this trait from Yuan Shao as a teenager. The arrogant aristocrat who felt like he deserve to rule due to his background better describes his half-brother/cousin Yuan Shu. Yuan Shao's biggest weakness was rather indecisiveness and lack of initiative.
Yeah ... Those are very thin line between being extra cautious and indecisiveness.
Yuan Shao just didn't listen to his advisors, Cao Cao listened to Xu You for example then killed him as he was too irritating, sums up their approaches right there. Yuan Shao was very brave actually often leading on the front lines with his men against Gongsun Zhan saying a leader should die with his men, that's already 1000 times more noble than anything Liu Bei did, and it's kind of incredible he gets portrayed as a super poncy guy that hides behind his men.
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Liu Bei was personally killed Cao Cao's generals in the battlefield, such as 车胄, 蔡阳, defeated Cao Cao's generals such as 夏侯惇、于禁、李典 in the 博望坡. Too bad most of Liu Bei's achievements were attributed to Zhuge Liang and Guan Yu, when in reality, Liu Bei was the one who planned and executed this plan, and even bravely fought in the battlefield against Cao Cao's general.
@@darimiwamubarak 夏侯惇 was a brilliant statesman, but an average general. 于禁、李典 on the other hand were extremely respectable, so I'm surprised Liu Bei was able to do anything against them.
Imagine listening the advise of two unreliable advisers: a kinsman of Guo Jia and a drunkard former fellow Captain of the Western Garden Army (the personal private army of the late Emperor Ling of Han); and disregarded and harmed the loyalties and lives of Zhang He, Xu You, Tian Feng, Ju Shou, and Xin Ping
"Yuan Shao may be strong, but he is not to be feared. He is too undeciding to act."
Cao Cao, Romance of the Three Kingdoms.
It's actually Guo Jia who said that to Cao Cao
Cao Cao may not smart as Zhu ge Liang but he knows how to lead people he knows how to enforce order and the most important of all is that he knows the people
@@Okuni_ No in the novel it is Cao Cao who said that, and following this Guo Jia advised caution:
-"As they were discussing these things, Guo Jia came in, and Cao Cao suddenly referred the matter to him.
-"If I attack Liu Bei, then Yuan Shao is to be feared. What do you think of it?"
Guo Jia said, "Yuan Shao by nature is dilatory and hesitating, and his various advisers are jealous of each other. He is not to be feared. Liu Bei is getting together a new army and has not yet won their hearts. You could settle the east in one battle."
What was the point of having all those advisers and strategists if Yuan Shao never used them?
@@thanakonpraepanich4284 Yuan Shao just wanted to show off, to let people see he is open minded and famous people love him. Well, he was more or less jealous of his advisors. He's not leading them, but more like competing with them
Cao Cao and Yuan Shao are actually childhood friends , there are some stories of their banters together.
As I fan of this era's history, I didn't know this.
They were both from rich noble families in the Han capital Luoyang where they became friends. Wikipedia: "according to the Biography of Cao Man, Cao Cao's uncle complained to Cao Song about Cao Cao's indulgence in hunting and music with Yuan Shao."
yes indeed.cao cao knew yuan snao very well personally
I am pretty sure caocao hated those Yuans deep in his mind as caocao is not that"pure blooded" in those noble's eyes
Da Huang actually it's not pure blooded issue. Cao Cao's father Cao Song once paid a lot of money to a very powerful eunuch for gaining higher official position, and he even changed his family name (which was XiaHou) into Cao (that powerful eunuch's family name), that's why these old nobles like Yuan Shao, doesn't appreciate Cao Cao in their minds.
That's a nice pile of food. Would be a shame if it caught fire.
Compared to the power, life is cheap in the eyes of ambitious politician, and the dead in a war is only a matter of number in a paper report only.
Cao Cao is a very successful warlord, he has done many cruel decisions in many of his campaigns, which enable him to weaken his opponent as big as possible, but once he took control of his opponent land, he is managed to carry out many effective policy, which made him have a relatively high reputation among the civilian population
I wonder if Nobunaga read of Cao Cao's exploits in "Romance of the Three Kingdoms", and took note of the latter's strategies. "Three Kingdoms" would've been a >200 year old classic by time Nobunaga was born, and the man appears to have highly literate.
@@Mr.LaughingDuck 200 more years? More like 1000 more years. Nobunaga's time was closer to us than to Cao cao. 😅
Edited:
Oh sorry you mean The Romance of 3 Kingdoms. Yes, I think it's a possibility. Ancient Japanese had a love-hate relationship with China, like a bastard son trying to surpass his father
Caocao cannot keep these food because Wuchao is not well defended to resist Yuanshao.
"Hey, you should protect this food, or someone might burn it"
"Shut up, it'll be fine"
* switches sides and burns food * "Told ya"
"Domains under heaven, after a long period of division,
tends to unite; after a long period of union, tends to divide. This has been so since antiquity." Those are first words of the great Chinese novel Romance of the Three Kingdoms. I think they describe that era very well.
I believe some of the rhyme and pun are lost trough translation. Yet still a great poet.
That’s a poor translation, an loses much of it’s intended grandeur. Here is a better version:
“The empire, long united must divide, long divided must unite.
That perfectly describes China history
According to the Romance chapter and opera "Riding alone for thousands of miles," Guan Yu served Cao Cao during the Battle of Guandu and was an integral part of his victory. After Liu Bei's defeat, Guan Yu was separated from his lord and no news came of whether or not Liu had survived. Guan then offered his service to Cao on the condition that if and when Liu ever appeared he would have to leave Cao to return to his sworn brother. Liu Bei did re-emerge after the Guandu and Guan thus took his leave from Cao Cao's forces. Along the way back, many of Cao's officers tried to stop Guan Yu, fearing his prowess in the inevitable battles he would fight against them, but none were successful. Cao Cao himself scolded them for trying to stop Guan, saying that they could all learn a lesson from his loyalty and virtue.
You're correct, I meant in the larger context of the Guandu/Yellow River campaign as discussed in the video.
@@jagvillani338 As much as I love the novel, it's not a good source of info. Records of the Three Kingdoms is a more suitable source. I learned a good deal of cool little tidbits, including officers that don't have wikipedia pages as they are so obscure.
@@aver_nestress4570 Records of the Three Kingdoms in Plain Language www.amazon.com/dp/1624665233/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_pPEwCb06VDTRG
Yup, after he killed Wen Chou and Yan Liang..
The fact the Guan Yu is such a badass, he became a deity and is worshipped by Chinese today. His like a real-life Talos from The Elder Scrolls.
After crashing Yuan Shao, Cao Cao found many letters sent to Yuan Shao by many of his subordinates, trying to surrender. Then Cao Cao burned all letters and said: "even I believed I would lose in the difficult times."
Cao cao was brilliant enough to acknowledge all of it, but burn all of them. forgave all his men. that's why they are super loyal to cao cao. Liu bei was ordered by emperor himself to go create a coalition against cao cao to rescue the emperor
NOW THIS, THIS IS LOVE. I basically grew up with the Three Kingdoms and Chinese History and seeing that you're covering one of the most important battles in Cao Cao's rise to power is amazing! Keep it up!
We will! There will be more episodes!
The thing is Cao Cao had all the talented advisors standing beside him such as Guo Jia, Xun Yu, Xun You, Cheng Yu and Liu Ye and he constantly consulted for their opinions, Yuan Shao had bunch of advisors who were just as equally talented as Cao Cao's side such as Tian Feng, Guo Tu, Xu You, but he always failed to listen to their advices.
yuan shao is most of the time indecisive, and then when yuan shao is decisive he is super decisive. but then his son is sick he loses the spirit for war. cao cao is always battle ready mode. Xun Yu was a super genius advisor too.
A common theme in history. The moment someone decides they're better than their advisors, they tend to lose... Hitler. Mussolini. Stalin and his purges of Red Army officers.
This was very well made! Thank you for this series on the Three Kingdoms. It's very interesting 🖤
HAPPY CHINESE NEW YEAR AND CONGRATS ON THE SPONSOR FROM TOTAL WAR!
Happy New Year. :-)
Haopy New Year,I am Chinese
For those who confuse about the story, especially if you watch Three Kingdom TV Series ..
Here's the summary,
Record of the Three Kingdom = made by Chen Shou (233-297),
An official historian from
Jin dynasty (found by Sima Yan, he's Sima Yi decedent).
Consider historical version of Han - Three Kingdom Era.
Romance of the Three kingdom = Romantic-novel version from Three Kingdom era, heavily influenced by Chen Shou work.
RTK was made by Luo Guanzhong (1330-1400), a writer from Ming Dynasty. He's Chinese Version of Shakespeare.
shakespeare is english version of luo guanzhong i guess.
btw thnks anyway
@@ilkiya8028 your welcome bro :)
@@InspectHistory would you like to cover this story on your channel too?
@@InspectHistory because i feel there is no proper historical cover of this era
@@ilkiya8028 Definitely :)
In fact, we are now preparing our first chinese history content 🤓
After Romance of the Three Kingdoms and Dynasty Warriors, now we have vivid animations and engines from Total War series to display this part of the history. It's exciting to see the reincarnation of one of the three top-notch and most decisive battles during that era from K&G. Keep up the good work!
tkt is shit, the game looks ugly with smaller units and only 18 full size units per army... and the game has many bigs with twitchy units, the AI does not protect the walls and use their archers as frontline units in sieges, th-cam.com/video/5lK6HBSc1uE/w-d-xo.html
Chi Zhang I’m a huuuge rotk and dynasty warriors fan so I’m hoping total war is good but I’m kinda worried.
This was a very effective sponsored video. I hadn't considered getting Total War Three Kingdoms, but this historical context presentation really put me in the mood and is causing me to seriously look into getting this game.
Consider using our link.
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The history is colorful and worth playing a strategy game specialized towards this era. However, the total war three kingdoms is seriously lacking in gameplay. It seems fucked so watch out with ordering it
Koei's Three Kingdoms series are great too.
@@KingsandGenerals I promise, if I decide to pull the trigger, it'll be via your link.
This is amazing! I have read Romance of Three Kingdoms a few times and watched the TV drama renditions produced by China. But one of the biggest frustration I have with reading this novel is that I could never appreciate the tactics used in the battles because its very difficult to picture them in my head if I don't have sufficient military knowledge. Your videos took all of those frustrations away. Please make more videos of various battles that happened in the Three Kingdom era!!!
Thanks, more on the way!
"The Battle of Guandu" or "how can a military commander miscalculate every single one of his moves".
Yeah, I played the game and thought Yuan Shao to be cool. But now I know he was an arrogant idiot.
And later "The Battle of Red Cliff" or in the word of Jeremy Clarkson "how hard can it be?"
The brilliance of Cao Cao makes a veteran and respectable commander like Yuan Shao look like a bumbling idiot
@@Alphenord Not really, even after Guandu, Yuan still holds more army and supplies than Cao. But his sudden death(due to huge humiliation) and left without appointing a certain successor was the final straw. The internal strife among his sons gave Cao the chance to eliminate Yuan family once and for all
@@danternas he was pretty badass during his youth and during his time serving He Jin, he lead He Jin loyalist to imperial palace and kill eunuch faction
I remember when you had 10k subs you grow fast and you deserve it good job guys
Thank you for being with us for so long!
I started watching when he was at 80k and the videos have greatly improved well done.
Yeah, I remember it too. At first, I was like, "you're encroaching on my man CiviliaHistoris's territory", - but these guys offered a great alternative and are really good at presentation. They're the biggest now, right?
At last, KG fulfill its promise in Three Kingdom Total War Trailer video 🤓
The wizard is never late. :-)
@@KingsandGenerals So when will we see LOTR content too? 😁
@@KingsandGenerals A wizard is never late.
Halo lort
Woah historical Cao Cao is even more badass and smarter than his fictional character in Romance of Three Kingdoms novel
Cao Cao 's character is so confused that he is a poet, a warrior, a general, a bad ass, a leader with surrounded generals who love him and die for him, also he is a good father
@@张嘿哈 reminds me of Stannis
Is easy he was basically a guy trying to do his best at everything that he needed
Ruthless to everyone but kind to his family
He was also more genocidal; that’s the one thing about him that was actually more evil in real life than in to stories.
Though pretty much nobody involved was a good person in the slightest at that point.
"Yuan Shao, If I were you, I would never agree to a truce with Cao Mengde. I'd only build a great tomb of marble of him. That's because, for as long as there's breath in him, Cao Mengde will never be defeated in battle!"
-Cao Cao.
出其不意 攻其不備 《孫子兵法》
Do the unexpected,attack the unprepared.
The Art of War By Sun Tzu
It's kinda expected to take advantage of an unprepared enemy.
@@munkebo96 Seems that Yuan Shao didn't expect it tho
@@hev360 Touché
@Peter C. Do the unexpected. Period. Attack the Unprepared. Period. These are two sentences actually.
Also, try to avoid sieges if you can.
Fuck, im so happy you got sponsored by TW. Finally, a sponsor that you can be proud of, a sponsor you earned yourself to the hard way.
Well done! :D
Thanks, I guess. :-)
The early careers of Cao Cao's was perhaps one of the most interesting profiles to study. Having started out as merely one of the many bit player warlords, he was able to repeatedly get an advantage on much bigger, tougher foes by fully utilizing talented individuals and having high initiative to balance the odds. \(இдஇ )/
His dynamism and cunning makes him a very interesting figure to read, combining elements of a ruthless CEO and a battle hungry general. But best of all? His ultimate goal is not that bad either, to unite the land under one banner again and this time under able leadership. This is why he is always portrayed either as a dangerous (but interesting) villain who can always exploit the situation and challenge the protagonists, or a great gray anti-hero, a Byronic rebel reformer ready to to the utmost to accomplish his goals while ruthlessly burning the rotten elements down. He would have been the undisputed master of the post Han world if not for a realm of worthy heroes who opposed him.
But why does everyone root for Liu Bei who is a traitor
@@slantize Liu Bei proteccs. See Battle of Chang Ban.
his surname is Liu, the Han dynasty royal family surname is Liu, therefore he can make up legitimacy claims on the throne, who knows if he is part of the royal family, it's like saying in your grandpas inheritance will, only family can take part of the money, then all of a sudden someone with your gramps last name said that he is related to your gramps and wants part of the will, granted today we got dna matches, back then you only got your mouth.
He was also not dumb enough to openly declare himself above any others.
@@dyingearth that's why I think he is a tier above fools like the Yuan brothers, one is indecisive while the other is brazen enough to paint a target on his back. Cao Cao acts in always to consolidate his power and aim toward the long game without doing anything the prematurely jeopardize it.
Man I was very happy to see this notification, been quite the fan of Chinese History. Hope you please also cover the Warring States Period and the Qin Reunification. Lots of thanks from Kenya. This is probably my favorite channel on TH-cam. At least definitely my favorite history channel seconded by others like unknown5, epimetheus, history time and ancient history lover.
5:40 Just a small correction, while Yue Jin was a key general at the battle of Dushi Ford, the similar named general Yu Jin was the one actually in charge of the forces.
Yeah its a confusing one even in the games. Yue Jin and Yu Jin. Much can be said about Xun Yu and Xun You too. Their names are confusing but did similar jobs in the Wei Dynasty. Xun Yu and Xun You were related in fact.
@@LagunaShirogane best of all there's a xu you too :)
Lu Bu is perhaps one of the coolest dudes to ever live.
And this video may be one of the best vids on TH-cam I've ever seen.
Thank you very much :-)
lv bu is not a cool guy. but for some people he is too strong to hate
Lu Bu is cool in the same way that tigers are cool. If being good at fighting was all you needed to succeed tigers would rule over humans.
The over stretch for food supply of Yuan Shao was the key for Cao Cao to win an overwhelmed enemy. This was the first time where raiding the supply become victory factor.
raiding the supply was a common practice hundreds of years before that.
as to how rich the history and legacy of the three kingdoms were, the short length of this playlist is a slap to its face.
"An army marches on its stomach"
Cao Cao : Hold my Torch.
Hold my rice wine
You didn't mention that when Cao Cao was leading the raid on Yuan Shao's food depot in Wuchao, he had his men disguised as Yuan's soldiers. The Yuan defenders did not detect the treachery and allowed them passage into the depot. They were surprised when they were suddenly attacked.
Good job on the pronunciation of Cao Cao as (tsao tsao). It's refreshing to hear a channel that gets Chinese pronunciations right.
Another video so shortly!? It must be my birthday 😁. It will be in 10 days and to get another video would be a very great present. Thanks kings as usual you guys are great 👍
Happy Birthday! There will be a few videos by that time :-)
This is one of the best episodes yet! I always wondered who all of the various characters were when i was playing Dynasty Warriors as a kid. I just never seemed to get around to studying them. Cao Cao, was a clever general indeed.
This is a great upload. I can't tell you how popular the Three Kingdoms period is in Eastern society. This is awesome. Keep up the amazing work.
Cao Cao uses throw gil! It's super effective! Yuan Shao's cavalry is confused.
Pokemon Style>??? HAAA! NICE! I want more this! Cao Cao burnt the granary, it is super effective! :) Yuan Shao is fainted
whats with abandoning horses??? like I understanding abandoning weapons, armor and valuables in order to flee faster, but whats with abandoning horses? like seriously??? who leaves the horses behind when fleeing???
@@64standardtrickyness horses were some of the most valuable things at that time especially as some were founded from a foreign breed brought originally to the court of the emperor, people might not stop just for weapons but they sure as hell aren't going to leave good horses for somebody else to take
@@64standardtrickyness maybe sick and near death horses, its a age of chaos, food is scarce yo
what I meant was wouldn't it be suspicious that an enemy is abandoning their horses?
The overlaying of the trailer and your intro was perfect!!
Thank you :-)
Yuan Shao: So there's the supply compound. How did they find it?
Cao's soldier: Yes!
Dynasty Warriors 3 is a masterpiece 😂😂😂
I loved this video - you always manage to make somewhat complex battles/history easy to understand!
"Guan Yu and I will reinforce Bai Ma Castle. Xiahou Dun, go to Yan Jin, and Cow Pee, to Guandu."
K&G videos are getting better and better
Appreciate it!
The book Romance of the Three Kingdoms is well know classic novel in whole Far East Asia. It has been translate to Japanese and Korean for hundreds years. It also been translate to English for years, it was call real Far East game of throne. Many Japanese and Chinese game companies develop game base on Three Kingdoms. In Chinese temples you often can see Guan Yu as saint of valiant. To know more about Far East Asia you should read Romance of the Three Kingdoms which billion people on earth read that before.
I've been hoping you guys would do the Three Kingdoms battles since I discovered this channel! Thank you and as always fantastic job!
Thanks for watching! There will be more episodes!
@@KingsandGenerals I look forward to them. Especially Chi Bi and Zhuge Liang's Northern Campaigns
Thank you for making more videos about China.
Chinese history is mostly unexplored among westerners.
There will be more. :-)
Much more?
Ghost hardly , probably thousands upon thousands of westerners were introduced to chinese history through games based on Romance & went on to look into many aspects of chinese history.
Ehhh....
It's vice versa.
Great Video as always! Glad to see the mighty clash of two warlords from one of my own personal favorite moments in history.
Thank you! There will be more episodes in this series!
This year is the year of the pig in the lunar calendar. Wish You a Happy Chinese New Year!
新年快乐 猪年大吉
How are these civil wars perceived in China today? I mean from a moralic point of view. Are all these generals seen as criminals who stole the throne and exploited the people or is it seen legitimate?
Year of the Earth Pig aka Ground Hog. Happy ground hog day :D.
Ni shi yu
@@0000-z4z Well....Later generations'comments on the history of the Three Kingdoms are quite special. Because it has its own history (The Records of Three Kingdoms) and romantic literary works (The Romance of the Three Kingdoms). We usually look at your problem from two perspectives：From the angle of official history, it is a matter of course that a fatuous last dynasty was destroyed. As long as you can defeat other opponents, everyone has the right to win the throne. The winner is justice. In a sense, "Natural selection, survival of the fittest" is the survival rules of nature and human society. So People tend to evaluate the person's achievements rather than whether his actions are legitimate.
From the perspective of Literary Works, Romance of The Three Kingdoms is compiled into a semi-fictional literary masterpiece during the Ming Dynasty by Luo Guanzhong. The novel comprises around 70+% fact and 20+% fiction.Their influence source by Confucianism manifest in the following concepts: loyalty to the emperor and being patriotic, practicing moral culture or destiny and leisure. The author regards Liu Bei, the declining aristocrat of the Han Dynasty, as a legitimate monarch. And these narratives also center on the Liu Bei camp as the central recurring character who frames and organizes the talk. So people are more willing to support the orthodox successors portrayed by the author.
@@0000-z4z It's literally 2000 years ago, and it was a civil war, so we are not that emotionally invested in things like "criminal" or "legitimacy". As to exploiting people, at that age most of the population was illiterate and starving anyway, living under the ruling dynasties and warlords was not that different.
That being said, we generally do not really believe in such things as "legitimacy of dynasties", we think that when a dynasty cannot hold itself together then it deserves to be overthrown, and conversely that if a dynasty got overthrown it meant that it had its own problems.
Cao Cao was, apart from a famous warlord and general, also a great poet, a lot of people today admire him, while others point out that he at occasions massacred entire cities. Liu Bei in history had a very inspiring story of rising from grassroot to greatness, and was admired for his tenacity and great aspirations even at the most difficult times.
Excellent animations and beautiful story telling. This is how history should be taught. Thank you so much
Thank you very much for watching :-)
Congratulations on a half million subs.
While I have no idea how accurate Daven's pronunciation of these names and places actually is, he certainly sounds the part, and does an impressively nice job at it.
-Jake
I don't speak Chinese, but at least it sounds like he's not using tones.
Thank you, Jake!
Hey guys, congrats on a sponer from CA! I'm proud of all the work that has taken you to get noticed.
I meant to mention this in the last video but man these animations are top notch. i love youtube and how its replacing the history channel with quality content!
Thanks for being with us!
Started reading Romance of the Three kingdoms a couple weeks ago, so really excited about this series.
Thanks for watching, more on the way!
Wow! Cao Cao was indeed a clever and a genius general!
Wait for the battle of the red cliffs where cao cao meets his match, I'm quite certain it'll get featured, it's one of the most famous battles in Chinese history
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Red_Cliffs
@@dosadnizub Oh! Thank you!
that's half the story.
the other half is Yuan Shao being a moron.
Cao Cao was a military genius. It would take an alliance of all his enemies to beat him.
If I am not wrong Cao Cao only lost twice in his military career first time lost to Zhou Yu at red cliff second time lost to Liu Bei at Campaign of Hanzhong
Thank you for doing the war of the three kingdoms! I've been hoping for this!
There will be more! :-)
One of best videos . Videos are getting better
Thank you very much :-)
Yes!!! Finally, a three kingdoms video!!!
More on the way :-)
There is a famous story aftermath of this decisive battle. Cao Cao got many papers & letters from Yuan Shao's camp. All those were written by Cao Cao's officers/staffs to Yuan Shao. A Cao Cao's subordinate asked Cao Cao should he arrest all those men communicated to enemy Yuan Shao. Cao Cao but just told subordinates he spared all these men & burned all those papers/letters. Cao Cao said even he could only merely defend himself from Yuan Shoa's mighty strength before battle. He showed understanding & forgiveness about his officers/staffs looking for safety before battle concluded.
Cao Cao was very alike Caesar. The combination of cruelty & generousness made them very powerful leader.
Awesome!!! I knew you were going to do a Three Kingdom era video/series eventually. Cool video K&G.
Cao Cao was a badass historical figure of his time.
More on the way ;-)
@@KingsandGeneralsThanks you for having a awesome channel for all of us to enjoy and learn history
Agreed he was China's very own Julius Caesar.
I love how the narrator called Liu Bei “a traitorous warlord” because that’s exactly what he was. Dude backstabbed everyone he ever allied himself with. I really hate that guy.
It's a battle royale on an epic scale. What do you expect?
I just hate how Liu Bei is hailed as a hero in fiction when he was the biggest backstabber of the era, that’s all. Nice to see someone actually call him that for once.
CM Chuck the real Liu Bei is far more interesting than the “benevolent” one the games portray, I don’t overly hate the real one, but he was a bit of an ass.
He’s mostly painted as the nice hero because of bias from the ROTK author- it’s not that he wasn’t a kind person to the people, it’s just that his agenda is very different.
@@cmchuck4463 Consider read Record of the Three Kingdom by Chen Shou then ..
Don't just read Romance of the Three Kingdom :)
I’ve actually been looking for a copy.
Just came to this channel after seeing you comment in another political channel.
Not sure what to expect, I clicked in and saw your first recommended playlist was on my favorite era of history, the Three Kingdoms era. I didn't expect this amount of talent and detail into your videos, and also didn't plan on Pre-ordering Total War or even getting it so close to release, but ended up doing so to help your channel.
Who learned the story of the Three Kingdoms in the game Dynasty Warriors ?😄
I did! Cao Cao was a complete beast in most of those games, I think he was in many ways the Chinese Julias Ceasar.
Jay Thompson Cao Cao was a formidable warlord as you say. I loved the Shu Kingdom with Liu Bei, Guan Yu, Zhang Fei, Zhao Yun and Zhuge Liang
@@jaythompson5102 correct , Caocao did possess lots of talent in both politic and military , an invincible warlord .
lu bu the strongest commander
"Cow Cow"
I can't wait to see more videos on this period. As a long time Dynasty Warriors fan, I've always been fascinated by both the original novel and the actual history behind it.
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Fuck that game tbh. ROTK is better.
I like how you called Liu Bei treacherous, most of the time people would call him a nice person but he really isn't that much better than the other warlords.
Well, in this particular case he betrayed his lord. :-)
The emperor ordered him to betray Cao Cao so....not treason?
@@nobblkpraetorian5623 The Emperor didnt trust Cao Cao initially. So he ordered Cao Cao's assassination and it failed. In the years that followed, Cao Cao and the Emperor actually became friends and supported him. Cao Cao was mistrusted for a number of reasons. One was the fact that Dong Zhuo had alot of influence over him especially when the Emperor replaced his brother on the throne because of Dong Zhuo's support. Zhuo used the Emperor as a puppet for his own lust for power which prompted the Coalition against him in the early 190s AD. The Battle of Hu Lao Gate was the turning point against Dong Zhuo and led to Zhuo's own loss of power and betrayal by his greatest general Lu Bu. So I can imagine it took time for the Emperor to realize the errors of his views towards Cao Cao.
@@KingsandGenerals emperor Xian promoted liu bei as imperial uncle the first day of meeting him(liu beis 18th great grandfather was closely tied to the emperor). Emperor Xian wanted someone to take down cao cao, secretly ordered him to go out and and gather warlords to attack cao cao. Liu Bei became powerful later because he always understood righteousness first. Cao cao by contrast was Han prime minister on the surface, actually a Han treacheror. Liu Bei later announced Han and Thieves ( cao cao) cannot co-exist, gained support of many people who are loyal to the Han Dynasty
lmao, liu bei is an back stabber, do you seriously believe the emperor liked him at first sight? he obviously groomed him with his curated reputation, and servants. and do you seriously believe he obeys the words of an child emperor with ptsd? he's cunning and self serving, and you fell for his propaganda 2000 years latter@@alexlinn3754
Oh my I was waiting for this one. Love this episode so much!!
This battle reminds me of the battle of red cliff but reversal of positions, where Cao Cao is defending here whilst attempting to invade the latter. It almost appears similar circumstances that occurred to Yuan Shao here occurred to Cao Cao at red cliff but Cao Cao was able to recover
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Very glad to see you make videos about the Three kingdoms Period!
Premier Cao’s great achievement is preventing the situation- “Around 30 so-called barrack Emperors or soldier Emperors were crowned in the next fifty years”
He maintain The unity of the Han Empire-(namely just one emperor in the years of 196-220)
YEAH!!! Kings and Generals is using Total War Three Kingdoms in videos!!!!
Not yet, but we will :-)
Awesome. Love history. Love your videos.
I'm falling in love for your videos about the Asian history, you still the best TH-cam channel of History
China. Not Asia.
@@SantomPh haha this vídeo is about China, but he made recently videos about Persian Sassanian and Greek India. And I like all this videos 😁
Thank you :-)
I recommend to watch serial Three Kingdom 2010, before play this Total War game. History of this time period is so great!
Is there anywhere to watch Three Kingdoms?
The 2010 version really feels like it took some cues from Dynasty Warriors which is what makes it pretty awesome to watch on its own. The 1994 version is pretty faithful to the novels and sometimes you can get confused over who is who because of its pacing.
Both series are great to watch for their own merits but if you are short on time and want that Dynasty Warrior rush, then the 2010 version is probably more to your liking.
@@hentaioverwhelming Agreed the 1994 version is more loyal to the source material and intriguing despite the outdated cinematography.
I recommend to watch serial Three Kingdom 1994 ,much better than 2010
I am Chinese, Three Kingdom 1994 much better than 2010.
Yes! This is awesome and what I've been hoping for! Amazing videos K&G Thank you for all your hard work! =)
Did you really get sponsored by Total War itself? I'm really happy for you and your channel if so.
We did. Thank you very much :-)
@@KingsandGenerals Hurrah. I hope this means you'll be able to make more battles related to the Three Kingdoms era.
Wonderful showing of the layout of battle and showing Cao's Cao's general significance for the victory and not a certain exaggerated god of war. Look forward to see more.
like the animation.. makes the story more interesting
Thank you for watching :)
Yes i always wanted you guys to make a three kingdoms documentary.
Good I-)
This was Brilliant! I will be purchasing 3 Kingdoms in the very near future, Ill do it via the link.
Thank you very much! :-)
@@pinkpuff4846 lol
@@pinkpuff4846 go stand out at a street corner and beg. Lol , loser
@@pinkpuff4846 I worked through School Bro and bought all my entertainment toys myself. Perhaps if you are in school you should spend more time in your books and not PC games. Your life though Bro but I get it, I had to work twice as hard cause SM Civ games gave me a good addiction through college!
finally(: please do more on China. Qin, Jin, Han, continue on Three kingdoms etc. There is so much
love your channel man & great work(:
Cao Cao was one in a million. Such a cunning wily old fox.
That's how I play my Total War games. lol
I've been waiting for you folks to do some more of these. Love three kingdoms. Cheers!
A bit of inaccuracies/mistakes at around 5:20.
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(1) It's a bit inaccurate to say Cao Cao was Liu Bei's "lord" ... in that the commonplace term used to describe someone in a situation like Liu Bei was a "guest general." A defeated lord in China, often tended to seek the hospitality, protection, and patronage of another lord, and while it was possible the "guest" might just end up under the service of the "host", it was also possible that the "host" would actually help the "guest" to rise up again. Both instances happened numerously in China, and Liu Bei was not under the service of Cao Cao around 200 CE. The term "patron" or "host" would have been more proper.
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(2) 05:23 narrates " (Liu Bei) pledged himself to Yuan Shao's half-brother" ... which seems to be a major mix-up. Yuan Shao's half-brother Yuan Shu died in 199 CE. I'm guessing it's due to the complicated nature of political events during the time might have caused a bit of a confusion. Initially, Liu Bei was under the service of Gongsun Zahn, and the warlords were divided into two major rivaling coalitions: Yuan Shao/Cao Cao/Liu Biao vs. Gongsun Zahn/Yuan Shu/Tao Qian. However, Liu Bei slipped away from Gongsun Zahn's control and took governorship of Xu province after Tao Qian's death.. and then defected to the Yuan-Cao coalition. He never 'pledged' himself to anyone since then. At 200 CE, after gaining control of Xu province for the second time (after a seriously complicated chain of events) he allied with Yuan Shao when the Yuan-Cao coalition broke up.
ty for the clarifications
Yay, finally a video about Three Kingdoms, my fav..a wonderful Chinese New Year gift..cheers guys..
Happy New Year! More on the way!
Cao Cao is probably the most cunning general this channel has shown me. Every other time cavalry hunts a vanguard, there is either a counter attack or a massacre, but Cao Cao exploited human greed to avoid the situation altogether. Brilliantly simple.
Burning the Yuan Shao's grainary instead of capturing it when his army was starving was pretty daring move too. Yuan Shao probably thought that Cao Cao must have tons of food left so there was no point prolonging the war and he should strike immediately.
Well, this is a veeeeery pleasant surprise for a tuesday, thanks K&G :D
I've known bits of the 3 kingdoms history via the Dynasty Warriors games in my childhood, it's great coming back to it this way^^
There will be more videos on this topic. :-)
8:30 Mo money; mo problems.
Will you ever do the Dynasty Warriors staple Hu Lao Gate!?
As a Chinese, I have found this English documentary doing much better than my Chinese history teacher on this battle. Keep up with your good work!!!
Appreciate it, thank you very much!
When we will get Phyrric wars, or Punic wars. Thats my favorite era.
We'll see!
Or a series about Pyrhus exploits on Greece, Italy and in the affairs of the diadochi wars.
My favorite history! Please make more videos about the Three Kingdoms!
Happy Chinese New Year!
Love this channel and have been super hyped for 3 kingdoms release as well. Long time player of both Rome/Empire TW and Dynasty Warriors so am expecting nothing less than epicness!
Dong Zhuo was actually rather useless against the Yellow Turbans, he only gained power after He Jin's demise. Other than that, Ma Teng was the major hegemon in the west, whereas Han Sui was more of a subordinate ally.
I'd heard the names prominent in the Three Kingdoms, but I never really understood the situation. Very enlightening, thanks!
Thank you for watching!
Props for saying T'sao T'sao instead of the ridiculous pronunciation of Cow Cow used in some games.
He pronounced it as sao sao but its better than kao kao I guess.
japanese games with a half arsed english dub, the games are fantastic but the early localizations are quite ridiculous, I'm pretty sure the same games referred to dumplings as onions at one point before later correcting to meat buns
The strange thing is he sometimes says "sao sao" but in other times pronounces correctly
Sorry mate! But Chinese accent is quite hard for a non native tongue. I've tried eat only rice and ramen with chopstick exclusively for three days. Yet still butchering all the pronounciation.
@@fajaradi1223 I picked it up fairly easily, phonetic mandarin is basically set up so children in none mandarin regions can easily pick it up, just a matter of learning the alphabet/basic sounds, and none of them are really complicated motions for the mouth to make imo, Swedish was a lot tougher in that part.
OMG your videos are sooooooooo compelling to watch!! Thank you!!!! Excellent job!!!
If Cao cao unified the country, Wei would be a lot greater dynasty than Jin. Probably even greater than Han.
You called Liu Bei at traitorous warlord. That was all I needed. 10/10 video regardless of some mistakes.
Indeed, traitorous when one claims to have a secret edict created by the Emperor, his nephew, and the Emperor’s father in law Dong Cheng
hearsay, and made up drivel, and liu bei isn't even an han loyalist, @@shinsenshogun900
WTF is the first half part of the video, it completely misunderstood the series of events that led to the rise of Dong Zhuo.
When the video said that Dong was charged in 184 with restoring order to the realm, the map is showing him crushing the yellow turbans in the east. In reality Dong Zhuo was utterly rekt by yellow turbans and demoted, and where he shined was in the western province of Liang(Liangzhou in the video), that means when Emperor Ling died and Grand General He Jin ordered the frontier troops to capital to help him eliminating the enunches ( Notice this point, the reason of Dong's march on Luoyang, is oversimplified by the video into insubordination and a simple lust of power), Dong marched east towards the capital, while the video is showing him marching west.
Then the video said that Dong "initially" burned down Luoyang, then got to Chang'an and enthroned a child. How can you mess up the timeline so entirely? Dong Zhuo marched east from Liangzhou to imperial capital Luoyang, then he took the opportunity of a power vacuum left by the assassination of He Jin to dethrone the current emperor and enthrone another child candidate, in Luoyang, not in Chang'an. It was this action that enraged the entire empire and resulted in the anti-Dong Zhuo coalition "Guandong Alliance" which is shown in the video.
It was the coaltion forces' closing in on the Imperial capital that caused Dong to abandon and burn the capital Luoyang, and retreated into the western old capital of Chang'an, where is closer to his power base, the forementioned Liangzhou.
The lack of research reflected in the first 3 minutes of this video makes me very disappointed because this happened before with the china-related videos of this channel, as i recall the facade of mistaking Western Liao for Western Xia, and the Chinese Jin dynaty for Jurchen Jin dynasty in the Rise of Mongol video.
I thought this. I was like "wtf is he doing in the east and didn't he fail against the Yellow Turbans."
Accidents happen lets remain calm and great intel on this period of time ^_^! It is good to help them out it is hard to memorize everything including timelines and the like. I also was concerned over the bits you mentioned because I remember reading in-depth of Chinese history during this era of time and he certainly was defeated by the Yellow Turbans in 184 while being amazing in the west. Overall I enjoyed this video and it does show what not to do in terms of military strategy!
There a lot of differences between the Historical and, the Romanticed version of the Three Kingdoms period. Begin and End.
@@devinsiner5489 As someone familiar with both the Records and Romance, i can tell you on the rise of Dong there's no significant difference between the two versions, and both versions are nothing like the one presented in the video.
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Well can't know everything right.
And I've been wrong before.
Cao Cao really is a tactical and strategic genius on so many levels. I feel like you portrayed him in a positive light here, except for the end detail about burying his captives alive, which is interesting because Dynasty Warriors portrays him as being evil. You described Liu Bei as being a traitor, which is also interesting because Dynasty Warriors describes him as being a hero. Thanks for the change of perspective!
The Record of the Three Kingdoms, the official historical account of the period, saw the kingdom Wei as the legitimate ruler of China, while the Romance of The Three Kingdoms--written in the Ming dynasty--portrayed Liu Bei as the hero. Since the novel was a big hit in East Asia, and there were TV series and games based on this novel, Liu Bei became the hero in the minds of the masses.
Battle of Chi Bi next please! Oh wait, does Three Kingdoms Total War have naval battles?
no it dosent
@@boltonforthenorth5466 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Would've been nice to see the ship formation on fire.
Let’s not forget that Chi Bi is the largest naval battle ever fought. True the numbers heavily favored Cao Cao since he had something near 2000 warships, the Shu-Wu alliance did hold about 50-100... placing the total naval forces at 2100. No WW2 battle, Roman, or Greek battlefield approaches that as far as I’m aware.
If I’m incorrect, please let me know the battle because I would love to learn about it. Naval battles fascinate me greatly.
The Naval battle was one and, only time thing. Every thing else was fought on lands from East, West, North, and some down South.
YES! More 3 kingdoms battles please! I love this era from start to finish!
"Can anybody provide me with a deserved challenge??!!"
Only awesome kids remember this lines.
Thank god theres another DW fans
"Decent"