Thank you both for sharing so openly. I grew up in this, the WB cult and experienced what you both are talking about. Still mentally healing even with being out 30yrs ago. For 10yrs I was mentally ill. Renewing my mind and believing the truth I found as truth and not a deception of the enemy is what's been the most difficult.
God bless you my Brothers and Sisters for the great work of exposing the lies.l myeslf been in the message for 40years.As years went by l saw the all the lies that was going.As an Evangelist the information l get from your'll is great help to reach to others who are in this cult.Thank you and God bless you
Wow thank you Naomi and Charles for this episode. Naomi, you're such a skilled interviewer, and you asked Charles the questions with sensitivity and grace. Charles, thank you so much for your vulnerability and honesty, and thank you for bearing fruit in keeping with repentance. All glory to God for bringing you both into the light of Jesus Christ.
Take heart Charles that you will be helping far more people now with the work you do with John. Im 4 months out of a "charismatic cult" in Australia, and if not for your channel i would not have had certainty that what i was in was so wrong. Thank you for being so courageous in telling your story and exposing the history. Its invaluable. It will be helping people. Trust that. God will use it all for good according to His will. Really appreciated you sharing your story 🙂
Charles and John Collins are HUGE blessing to the Body of Christ. They are the REAL deal , love them and bless them for everything they do to help people, including me as well. Bless you
He went through so much trauma!! Having to reconcile the damage the cult is causing in people's lives while thinking your "church" knows the gospel is quite traumatic!
Thank you Charles, I have learned to know you through leaving the massage podcasts. I am an ex-branhamite and through your experiences and exposing of this, I started my healing journey, I didn't even realized that I needed healing......LOL Thank you for being the humble man you are. I left in my early 20's and I am going to be 50 in January. God Bless you and your family. Blessings from South Africa 🫶
Reverend Charles is the most humble men I know. Only God can turn someone heart into this kind of humility. As an ex branhamist he said it like it is The whole thing was a HOAX, PLAGIARISM, FALSE PROPHECIES AND SO ON. keep up the good work Reverend Charles.
I came out of IHOPKC. In describing my emotions upon realizing Bickle was a complete fraud and serial sexual abuser, I would often write “horrified”, “unsettled”, or “deeply disturbing” in my journal. I think Charles is the only other person who has articulated the word “horror” that I’ve listened to to describe the sense of losing community and a sense of faith in what one once believed in.
Oh, yes. I've used it myself and completely agree that "horror" and "horrified" are well placed word choices. My heart aches reading that this word resonates with you, too, and understandably so. 🤍
THANK YOU CHARLES AND JOHN BECAUSE OF YOU GOD SHOWED ME THE PATH TO GUIDE ME TO THE TRUTH OF THE FALSE MESSAGE AND IT'S PROPHET SO I COULD COME OUT AND FIND JESUS CHRIST AS MY SAVOR THANK YOU SO MUCH GOD BLESS
Excelente conversation - Charles used description of forming cult very well - leader is not anymore servant with love aproaching but wolf with his agenda
My mom died like that when I was kid. She was sick and the message didn't help. It is difficult to accept her death now that I see how the message and sick environment made by message caused it. Why us and our family had to be in that cult. The damage is huge and I don't see healthy people anywhere near. Everyone in a cult and around suffer 😢 Maybe 2-4 people at the top are narcissists enough to stay happy. But that is it
56:54 that is super hard for me to accept. I was punished often for lieing. We believed everyone outside of message voes to hell because they believe lies...And now everyone in my family believe and spread lie and I am again punished just for telling truth. Quite absurd and very frustrating 😅
Hmmmm....that is true! When I was a cult member and when I'm not a cult member. I get on the defensive mode so quickly. First because I thought I was so right while in that cult mindset, and now because I know it was all so wrong and destructive. I recently prayed again, like when I first left the cult, Lord, I need You to defend me and the hurt. Help me to trust Your defense while also not being ashamed of the truth.
Recently I recognize people who leave around me are people who were consider "weak". Too soft, not strong enough to handle truth that 99,9 percent of people will soon be slaughtered and that is ok. They would feel sorry for people on outside. Struggling with depression. I used to think they are were weak to. And yet the truth and freedom is given to them. Because they have empathy to others. Because they are humble to accept they were wrong. As bible say , the truth is given to the small and humble. It is vere difficult to accept you are wrong when you are at the top. Very difficult to see people are abused when you are doing well. I admire every preacher and elder who is humble enough to face truth and be honest. They really have it more difficult than "normal" person.
Thank you both for sharing so openly. I grew up in this, the WB cult and experienced what you both are talking about. Still mentally healing even with being out 30yrs ago. For 10yrs I was mentally ill. Renewing my mind and believing the truth I found as truth and not a deception of the enemy is what's been the most difficult.
God bless you my Brothers and Sisters for the great work of exposing the lies.l myeslf been in the message for 40years.As years went by l saw the all the lies that was going.As an Evangelist the information l get from your'll is great help to reach to others who are in this cult.Thank you and God bless you
Thank you for the work you're doing, too, in reaching those still in, Naythan!
Thank you both for such a great presentation! Charles always gives honest and excellent info!
Wow thank you Naomi and Charles for this episode. Naomi, you're such a skilled interviewer, and you asked Charles the questions with sensitivity and grace. Charles, thank you so much for your vulnerability and honesty, and thank you for bearing fruit in keeping with repentance. All glory to God for bringing you both into the light of Jesus Christ.
Thank you so much for your encouragement!
Love Charles ❤❤❤
Same.
Take heart Charles that you will be helping far more people now with the work you do with John. Im 4 months out of a "charismatic cult" in Australia, and if not for your channel i would not have had certainty that what i was in was so wrong. Thank you for being so courageous in telling your story and exposing the history. Its invaluable. It will be helping people. Trust that. God will use it all for good according to His will. Really appreciated you sharing your story 🙂
Thank you for taking the time to encourage him!
This was an amazing testimony. Glory to God for delivering this man from deception into the light of Christ .
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Charles and John Collins are HUGE blessing to the Body of Christ. They are the REAL deal , love them and bless them for everything they do to help people, including me as well.
Bless you
Proud of you nephew, you still have my support because you helped to save me from the cult, love you, great job, Naomi and Charles❤
Thank you so much for your support, Darla! I hope you are well.. 🤍
Thanks, Naomi, yes, doing well and happy to be free❤️hope you are doing great also🥰
He went through so much trauma!!
Having to reconcile the damage the cult is causing in people's lives while thinking your "church" knows the gospel is quite traumatic!
Agreed!
Thank you Charles,
I have learned to know you through leaving the massage podcasts. I am an ex-branhamite and through your experiences and exposing of this, I started my healing journey, I didn't even realized that I needed healing......LOL
Thank you for being the humble man you are. I left in my early 20's and I am going to be 50 in January. God Bless you and your family.
Blessings from South Africa 🫶
Branham was a devil possessed spiritist.
Thank you for your kind encouragement!
Naomi: please, bring Charles back. God bless you both !!
Happy to!
Reverend Charles is the most humble men I know. Only God can turn someone heart into this kind of humility. As an ex branhamist he said it like it is The whole thing was a HOAX, PLAGIARISM, FALSE PROPHECIES AND SO ON. keep up the good work Reverend Charles.
Thank you for taking the time to encourage him!
I came out of IHOPKC. In describing my emotions upon realizing Bickle was a complete fraud and serial sexual abuser, I would often write “horrified”, “unsettled”, or “deeply disturbing” in my journal. I think Charles is the only other person who has articulated the word “horror” that I’ve listened to to describe the sense of losing community and a sense of faith in what one once believed in.
Oh, yes. I've used it myself and completely agree that "horror" and "horrified" are well placed word choices. My heart aches reading that this word resonates with you, too, and understandably so. 🤍
THANK YOU CHARLES AND JOHN
BECAUSE OF YOU GOD SHOWED ME THE PATH TO GUIDE ME TO THE TRUTH OF THE FALSE MESSAGE AND IT'S PROPHET SO I COULD COME OUT AND FIND JESUS CHRIST AS MY SAVOR
THANK YOU SO MUCH
GOD BLESS
🙌🏻
Very touching and thought-provoking interview.
Thanks for doing this. Love Charles!
Absolutely!
AH the part about being as loud about the truth as you were about the deception was so good! 👏🏼👏🏼 great convo!
Thank you!
What an encouraging interview, thank you for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excelente conversation - Charles used description of forming cult very well - leader is not anymore servant with love aproaching but wolf with his agenda
Glad you enjoyed it!
It breaks my heart that people were so cruel to Charles when he left his former church.
Loss of community is more than just painful. It's like losong part of who you are....like losing several limbs.
Absolutely.
Excellent work
Very good talk. Appreciate the candor and learned more about you and your life in and out of the message.
Glad you enjoyed it!
So good! I would love to have heard more of the ending part extended more, but love the call to spread the truth!
The suicide piece of this is breaking my heart. What devastation! Thank you for all you do to combat this. It does not go unnoticed!
My mom died like that when I was kid. She was sick and the message didn't help. It is difficult to accept her death now that I see how the message and sick environment made by message caused it. Why us and our family had to be in that cult. The damage is huge and I don't see healthy people anywhere near. Everyone in a cult and around suffer 😢 Maybe 2-4 people at the top are narcissists enough to stay happy. But that is it
I had family members unnecessarily die, too. It's deeply painful. Thank you both for your comments!
56:54 that is super hard for me to accept. I was punished often for lieing. We believed everyone outside of message voes to hell because they believe lies...And now everyone in my family believe and spread lie and I am again punished just for telling truth. Quite absurd and very frustrating 😅
It is absurd and frustrating. You can't win in a conversation with a sold-out cult member. 🤍
Hmmmm....that is true! When I was a cult member and when I'm not a cult member. I get on the defensive mode so quickly. First because I thought I was so right while in that cult mindset, and now because I know it was all so wrong and destructive. I recently prayed again, like when I first left the cult, Lord, I need You to defend me and the hurt. Help me to trust Your defense while also not being ashamed of the truth.
Recently I recognize people who leave around me are people who were consider "weak". Too soft, not strong enough to handle truth that 99,9 percent of people will soon be slaughtered and that is ok. They would feel sorry for people on outside. Struggling with depression. I used to think they are were weak to. And yet the truth and freedom is given to them. Because they have empathy to others. Because they are humble to accept they were wrong. As bible say , the truth is given to the small and humble. It is vere difficult to accept you are wrong when you are at the top. Very difficult to see people are abused when you are doing well. I admire every preacher and elder who is humble enough to face truth and be honest. They really have it more difficult than "normal" person.