Driven- 2019 Hyundai Veloster N
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- The short list of performance cars that mere mortals can afford has just grown by one- Hyundai’s Veloster N. Track ready the moment it leaves the dealership lot, it’s also a comfortable daily driver. Tom Voelk travels to Thunderhill Raceway Park in California to flog this hot hatch. He also interviews Albert Biermann, the engineer poached by Hyundai from BMW’s M Performance division to make the Veloster N letter perfect.
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About Tom:
Tom Voelk is an award-winning automotive contributor to The New York Times. His podcast was the first to win an Emmy Award. He also married way out of his league. Now, stop reading this promotional copy bragging about Tom's photography and editing skills and watch a couple episodes. It's much more interesting.
You know what haters gonna hate but you know what I actually love the styling and overall mechanical design of this car. This is coming from an owner of a older 90s Honda Type R. In fact I have a feeling this thing would give the new Type R a run for it's money.
The Type R is still the faster track weapon of course, but I'd say the N is a lot more fun on a daily basis. The N Custom mode adds so much value to the car. Being able to individually set up all the driving mechanics beats the hell out of Honda's preselected drive modes.
This performance with a 10 year 100k warranty?! Wow
@james bond 6.1 seconds is incredibly conservative. Most drivers are getting in the mid 5s without launch control, and it's exceptional through corners, handling even better than a CTR. It's the 2nd fastest FWD Hatch around.
james bond terrible In the corner? It got PCOTY 😶
Man, you gotta love Kia/Hyundai these days.
Except its not actually a cheap car. Go look up lease rates for the Veloster N, and you will see they are astronautical, and you can afford far more expensive sticker price cars for the same monthly lease payment. Why? Very smart people, that know way more than you or I, calculate the true cost of owning the vehicle guessing what the depreciation will be. After all, if you buy a used Ferrari for $150K but you sell it for $140K because its rare and actually appreciated a bit (relatively speaking even though you put miles on it), your total cost of ownership is almost nothing. By contrast if you buy a $30K car, but you can only sell it for $15K, your actual cost of ownership was higher than the Ferrari. Current lease rates are anticipating a 5 year depreciation of 58%, one of the highest in the industry.
So either the really smart guys that spend fortunes on collecting data to make these predictions and its literally their careers are wrong, or we are wrong and are blinded by the low entry price forgetting about the resale price.
@@BoopSnoot At first you talk leasing then about resale? There is no resale when you're leasing. Moreover, you make an incongruous example: a guy purchasing an entry-level car like the NVel. is because he does not have $150k to invest in a Ferrari and vice versa...a guy into investing in Ferraris is not going to buy an NVel...
@@tk9839 Reading is hard, eh? Lease rates demonstrate what resale value is likely to be, estimated by experts with massive amounts of money on the line over large sales numbers. If a new vehicle has huge lease rates compared to its sale price, it means its expected to have extremely poor residual value. Follow the conversation, junior.
@@BoopSnoot I just checked the leasing rate of NVel. and its chief competitor Honda Civic tR and honda has a higher leasing rate of approximately %3, so does this mean Nvel's residual value is higher? Thus I checked out, for example, the value of a 3-year-old Veloster Turbo and its depreciation rate was average not astronomically lower than any other car...Furthermore, you can't "afford far more expensive sticker price cars for the same monthly lease payment" Also a person wanting a Nvel or hot-hatch type of cars, they aren't going to want a far more expensive SUV for similar monthly lease payment if it exists...they are going to want similar cars to NVel. like the Type R which stated earlier has a higher monthly lease rate. What's with the "Reading is hard, eh? and junior?" Stop it, I don't appreciate your little snooty remarks
Yeah what it looks like to me is the front lower chin was taken straight from the first Gen S550 Mustang GT & GT350 fascia!
Performance for everyone is here!!
I might actually consider learning how to drive a manual stick just so I can drive one. Sweet car. You are so lucky to have such an awesome job Tom!!! :)
It's simple but the hardest part is getting the car moving from 1st gear: just have to find the balance between the clutch and gas pedals...there's a sweet spot where the two meet as you're slowly releasing the clutch you can feel the clutch grabbing onto the gear and the car will move even without using the gas peddle on flat level street then you give a little gas to move faster and rest is history... don't get discouraged if you don't get it at first which is normal.
Under 30K? wow.
As a hot hatch fanatic I've been interested in this since I saw the first European reviews...as you were going through the price I was thinking $35k, but UNDER $30k including all the enhancements...that's one helluva lot of car for the dough.
I will absolutely be test driving one, though the Bay Area commute makes the dual clutch potentially appealing.
Yeah, I figured it would would be priced a couple thousand less than Type R. Under 30K (by $5 probably) surprised a lot of us. You will be waiting a couple years for the dual clutch, that's the word from Mr. Biermann. Since Seattle traffic is much like the Bay Area, I can understand. The manual is pretty nice though.
@@DrivenCarReviews appreciate the input--I currently own three manual transmission cars (1984 Porsche 911 coupe, 2001 Mazda Miata, 2008 Acura TL Type S)...will likely sell one for my next daily-driver and have finally given in to the luxury of an auto...though it needs to be manually-shiftable and quick.
Either way I want to drive this car upon release, maybe it'll convince me that I'm crazy to want two pedals ;)
Til the dealer marks it up. Local dealer in Gilbert, AZ had 37k sticker on the base N, not the performance package. And, they wouldn't let me drive it until they knew I was serious. I'll be buying mine elsewhere. I will be buying one though.
Great review as always
For its price, the Veloster N is just awesome. The down force works really well, exhaust sounds mean and steering great. The i30 and i30fastback are even better with fit and finish, a lot more soft touch areas etc.
There should be a zero added to your subscriber count. As always, a truly excellent review. Entertaining and highly informative.
Well, tell your friends Martin. Your dog too.
Thanks for the excellent review Tom, and also,thanks for the well done interview.
I am deeply disappointed that Hyundai did not bring the i30n to the United States. There are features in that that aren't in Velociter. The i30N is a more practical and better looking car. It comes in both hatchback and Fastback overseas. The I30N has the ability to extend the driver's seat, so that you get better thigh support if you're taller. It has venting for the brakes that comes in from the front scoop. That I don't see in the velociter. The i30n also has a full spare tire. It has more usable space. Just not a fan of the velociter. Why does Hyundai keep screwing Us in the United States.
The Veloster has same vents in the buper the goes around the front breaks. It works and quite similar if not same as the i30N.
The fasterback i30N looks so good... I will personally go for the regular i30N or i30N fastback over the Veloster N.
@@PeteEbenezerrNewman thank you for clarifying that Peter. As somebody who truly enjoys driving this isn't exciting update but I honestly would prefer for work and for life to have the i30n as sometime as I have clients with me I need two rear doors. What I'm truly hoping to see is a Sonata N. although I hope they change the rear lights from the current 2018 Sonata as I think that they where downgrade from my 2015 I will say I love the new grill. Anyway back to the i30n and the velociter N. I saw online there was a gentleman who upgraded his i30n to 320 horsepower and he gives a link to the company that has the performance chip. Honestly the upgrade from 275 horsepower to 3:20 makes it competitive with Honda Civic type-r yet it's much more composed than the Honda Civic type-r
@@stevencorbo1220 Ive watched many European reviews with the 320 tune and its even better.
They have stated that there will be more N cars coming to the US. We get the i30 as the Elantra GT. Here's to hoping they see fit to bring that style over. Although I do love the lift back with that ducktail
It also has a bit more upscale interior. European versions come with power driver seat, Navigation, better seats that are combo leather and premium cloth, heated steering wheel and a lot less hard plastics.
This thing looks like an absolute blast! Thank you sir. Good job. Anyone wanting a hot hatch, who doesn't take this thing seriously. Is lacking in wisdom!
As a driving enthusiast, i love this! Hopefully it sells well in a crossover craze era.
Can't wait for this car. I've owned both an Elantra GT (i30) and a Veloster and 100% preferred the Veloster due its better character. I'm excited and thank you for making the video it was great!
It looks sharp 👍
Legit the best car reviewer on TH-cam by a long shot. Keep up the great work! Been here since the early days!
The location reminded me of the book, "The Art of Racing in the Rain". The rolling hills of Sacramento and Hyundai kicking ass. Good stuff.
Garth Stein lives in the Seattle area. I went go karting with him. Good guy. Glad to see the movie is finally happening. Hope it turns out well....
Hyundai/Kia are in the big league now~ They are so awesome these days.
The chip out of a company called performance chips in Germany that brings this car up to 320 horsepower
I think you need the hi flow cat also for that number as they showed.They could offer a stage lets say stage (one) tune at the dealer approved through Hyundai to push it to 300hp and still keep the warranty. Dodge did that with the SRT4 they offered 3 different stage setups the 3rd including a different turbo but was listed for off road use but they were fine for the street.
I think they said the transmission can handle up to 290 torque, so mind that.
They also make a downpipe in Europe which I believe is the equivalent of what we call a header that makes it breathe even better also
Its a down pipe with a built in cat.
Thats not a lot.
excellent Tom - car engineering Biermann fun factor - you covered it all with a little wit as is usual - enjoyed this and the other reviews very much. KEEP IT UP 😁😉😁😉
Kevin Niemi there’s also the I30N but i dunno if that’s coming to North America.
I've got my Veloster N on order.
Just waiting impatiently...
Grrrr....
CarwashNinja I ordered mine yesterday. The next 4-6 weeks will be LONG
On a positive note this is also a Theta engine which means. We will finally see performance parts for the Hyundai Sonata. Since the engine is the same in these two cars
Great review guys and you're right on point! It truly is a surprising piece of kit, especially considering the price!
Great review!!! can't wait to test drive this for myself when a nearby dealership gets a hold of one.
That fly was really committed to... bug... that vice president during his talk.
This N is a unicorn that arrives less and less at an affordable price. We can only hope that Hyundai finds a fan base to keep producing a jem like the N.
Also, this season in TCR Racing the N is the car to beat. Type-R, Mini, AUDI, GTI, Alfa, cannot catch the N.
Hyundai finally got the chassis right!
Very good Tom!
I love watching your reviews! Hyundai is working well and now they can compete with Japan closely!
Good package for the price. Reminds me when Mazda released the Mazda3 MPS.
thanks fro the interview with Albert, none other channels had that
I'll soon have one with the Porsche CEO...
@@DrivenCarReviews :D:D
Super review! I took a hiatus from my car reviews and to come back to this awesome review is soo much appreciated. Thank you Tom for doing what you do! 😉😎
Aaron Blandford
Very positive review. Finally no bad talk about the badge on the hood.
I just bought a 2022 Veloster N yesterday :D
How comfortable is it? I know thats not the focus of the car but i might get one for a daily driver and i would love to know if it was comfortable enough on the soft suspension? Im looking for the same comfort as maybe a Honda Civic/Accord and or a Toyota Camry. Thanks!
Love your reviews keep going !!
I would love a black with with black tint!!!🖤🖤🖤
To me this his is Honda crx of the 2010's with today's technically.
Great review loved the video explaining everything. How many of these cars are coming to the USA? I would like to get one but not right away but supposedly the dealership in Phoenix is only getting one. Will there be more in production coming later in the year of 2019? Also Will dealerships mark up their prices to around 35K ?
Really can't say about production numbers and availability. As for price mark ups, that wouldn't surprise me. It's called "the free market economy" and that means we have to take the good with the bad.
"wont beat an M car..." from Car & Driver's Lightning Laps:
2019 Hyundai Veloster N Performance Package, 3:07.7
2017 BMW M240i, 3:08.0
2006 BMW M6, 3:10.0
2007 BMW Z4 M coupe, 3:11.7
(Also, Evora, 4C, 2015 STI, Stinger GT, Supra 2.0, and about 100 other cars they tracked that people spent more money on)
A loaded Veloster N just 30k is a performance bargain, but just like most anticipated hot hatch--- dealer mark ups. I already saw one for sale for 41k. I'm most Veloster N's will go just north of 30k.
At that point you have to ask yourself if you want a FWD Hyundai or an STI...
Can I turn off auto rev match?
I'll take one, in the competition blue. The holidays are fast approaching, and this bad boy will easily fit into a stocking. Hint hint.
Yeah, the blue looks pretty cool in person. There's also no mistaking that it's an N.
With this review, these cars will be selling like hotcakes. Great job, Tom!
I have to believe there are a lot of reviews just like mine. There were a lot of smiles at Thunderhill.
Very Good review!!
While they are similar, the i30n is a much better car.
I like i30n more, but I don't think i30n is "much better." Both car shares chassis, engine, transmission, suspension.
Less mass/weight, yahh, roll, pitch etc in Veloster. It was designed from the begining for N, I30 got N as an after thought. Hyundai didnt start the N team until after I30 was designed.
They're both good, better is subjective at best. It should also be quicker to 60, quarter mile etc because of those attributes.
Curb weight will disagree with you. The Veloster N is lighter
@@swanblake exactly, Veloster N 2700lbs, I30N 3150lbs.
The OP could have wrote they likes the I30N body stye more, that is an opinion. Performance wise it cant be better since they use the same parts. Veloster has a slight advantage in weight and size.
@@bbokdoong it's the car that originally got them their certification. it's the little things it's the upgraded seats they get overseas with the suede leather leather and the extendable leg piece they get the bigger trunk they get a spare tire instead of a can of Fix-A-Flat
Tom what are the most likely next models to get N treatment? The Veloster N sounds great but I'm a bit too old now for hot hatches.
Not sure. They weren't saying. One could speculate that it would be easy to bring the i30n over as the Elantra N, since the work is pretty much done other than US certification. A Sonata N might goose the sales and image of that sedan. Or, they could go a different route altogether and tune the Tucson as a performance crossover with AWD (think affordable Macan). FYI, there are whispers of a halo car coming. I'm speculating something with rear drive...
@@DrivenCarReviews I was wondering if they would offer a Stinger platform model not branded Genesis.
@@SSS-mp8th Here's a list of the cars that are available, confirmed and rumored ;)
Available: i30 N, i30 Fastback N, Veloster N
Confirmed: Kona N (2019)
Rumored: Tucson N (2020 or later), i20 N (possibly as soon as 2019 - Hyundai was not planning on making an N version from the current gen, but is reconsidering due to the succes of the i30N), Halo car with mid engine (RM16 N prototype), possibly an electric hot hatch in the form of an Ioniq N EV.
Great car! We actually get a slightly nicer model here in Korea. It comes with full leather seats, which are power adjustable, heated and ventilated. We also get the heated steering wheel and six different color options. I do wish we had the i30 N though.
I heard a fart sound at 3:35 😱
Really? Must have been you.
Hahaha chill out!!
@@salvadorquincy4599 It was my attempt at light humor.
Yes! There is a fart sound! It wasn't me, it probably wasn't the car. Tom?
Driven Car Reviews all is good! Haha
The black looks great
I wish Hyundai doesn’t even bother converting to dual clutch, because the older models of Hyundai cars tend to break in just a few years of daily use.
I own a 2019 Veloster turbo it's fun as hell to drive. Would buy the N if it came with a sunroof
Went to 3 Dealer's to compare price
Honda type R $38,064
Veloster N $37,465
That's only $599.00 Difference.
This is Ontario CA.
Also noticed that Honda is willing lower the price compared to Hyundai.
Also no test drive until you are ready to pay for it.
I have to give it to them this looks like a great value.
Proper review.
Awesome! I'm glad they made the Veloster N instead of the i30 n in the US. I30 looks so dull and boring, exactly like every other cookie cutter hatchback. The Veloster looks like an exciting sports car. Hope they're still in production in about 2 years when I'm ready to buy again!
I wonder if Toyota will add power to their new Corolla Hatch to compete in this segment. #OverToYouAkio
Right Lane Hog Toyota is done with performance except the 86 and the future if ever supra
I never liked black cars but the black Veloster N is HOT
Would really like to see a sunroof..heated/leather seats as options. Id be willing to pay a few more grand for it.
I wish that red was available in Canada. I wish I could trade my red Forte Koup for a red Veloster N, but I guess the blue will have to do.
Sorry for asking a stupid question..but is the velosta also the N3 N-performance?????? I am confused
I'm trying to watch this car to learn to see if I can rebuild my 2.4 and put the Hyundai twin spool turbo on that or what parts I'm going to have to replace to be able to do that as it should do even better being bigger than the 2.0. that being said I'm going to have to figure out all the parts I need to change out I may buy a 2013 or 14 turbo motor as either a parts car or to replace them out but I prefer to use the head from the 2.4 for the larger displacement.
7-5-20.... central coast California and still haven't seen one. Dealership or street. Bad distribution? Probably.
Please do a base N review
0:49 that’s the guy from roadshow
I don't understand the 3 door thing, isn't the development more expensive because you're kind of developing 2 versions of a car at once and rigidy must match the other one. Since they have i30n as a 4 door hatch, veloster could have been just a 2 door and for difference in development i30 fastback could of have 2 door option
3 door child safety exit curb side love it
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Nice very nice for the price
I will say you do a nice review
Why is there no silver/grey colors? I am very interested in this vehicle but do not like any of the available colors.
Maybe wait for a year or two.
Cnet's Antuan Goodwin at 0:49
I had dinner with him. Super guy. No table laughed harder.
Albert said base N more fun due to more oversteer
Hyundai made a great move by hiring BMW's engineer. I wonder how much they paid him to cross over. Looking at the reviews of this car, looks like Hyundai has a winner.
Pls review base N
Am I the only one who still thinks $30k is alot of money? Not sure id call it a bargain.The Fiesta ST will be the benchmark
N = Nasty
But the speedometer tops at 180.
Seemingly beautiful & capable Do you think it performs better than the Type R, honestly ?
The Honda is $5,500 more (retail, I won't go down the path of dealer markup). That extra money buys more power and an established performance halo. The N is loads of fun but it's the new kid on the block. Better? In what what way? Total performance? Design? Bang for the buck? In this case I think that's for the buyer to decide when all of those things are considered. .
@@DrivenCarReviews Thanks Tom Voelk Copy, crystal clear
I love this car but for 10k more than what I paid for my srt-4 I just don't think it's fast enough
A good review, but a little context would be nice. How does it drive compared to a GTI or Civic R or Focus ST? I know I need to test drive for myself, but I want more of your opinion on differences/which you like best; that's the point, no? Clearly you're smitten, which is a strong sign, but still. a bit more would go ta long way to make this a much more useful review.
Hi Michael,
Here's why I generally don't do that. I would be lying if I claimed I could remember the subtle driving dynamic details of the GTI, Type R or Focus ST because it has been months since I've driven them. Driving them back to back when everything is fresh in my mind would allow me to do that. That wasn't possible here. If there was a clear difference in performance I could state that but all of them are very good. Styling, interior quality and price would be what sets them apart and that is up to the buyer.
Funny you should mention it, a number of auto writers were talking about that very thing over dinner, how it's tough to really give accurate comparisons when test drives are weeks or months apart.
I'm an auto writer doing my best to give you an idea of what a car is like, I would suggest you take any review as a guide, not a bible. As you say, it's REALLY important to go out and test drive these vehicles and see if they work for you. As an individual. That's all that matters when it comes to making those monthly payments.
Mr. Biermann's next assignment will be heading the "O" division of another car maker tuning donut racers.
This isn't bad but it's still not as good as the i30n
Steven Corbo depends how you define “good”. It probably has a faster 0-60 and the quirkiness is fun.
@@wildzach both cars are quirky they have similar characteristics but the i30n with the Elantra body style is much more practical
@@wildzach they did a head-to-head video on it I don't think the difference is measurable I think the I30 beat it though
30 grand fully loaded? That's a good deal
why no sunroof?!!! that is a dealbreaker
It raises the center of gravity. They weigh about 75 pounds.
R spec has sunroof
So 201hp for US$26k (rspec) , 250hp for $28k (N), and 275hp for $30k (Npp)...why even make non-pp N cars? Who's the market for a non-pp Veloster N? Is it there to grab rspec/turbo/ultimate customers that don't want to go all in? Is it there to grab GTI-S buyers?
4 colors is fairly lame imo on a car like this. I'd like to see more unique colors for this car like imola/futura/competition yellow, BRG; blu by you, alien green III, etc.... however at least there is no silver or gray
i20 in India spec?
When you said that the exhaust note becomes "artificial" when set to max, you are referring to the car's non-advertised anti-lag feature which increases that burbles.
I was referring to sound that comes in through the speakers.
@@DrivenCarReviews interesting I read somewhere that this car didn't have any of that, but I'm probably misinformed. Sorry if the previous comment came off as me being an asshole.
@@Obl1v10usSn1p3r It's my understanding that some of it is artificial though not the popping and burble. And you hardly come off as an asshole. People are generally super chill on my channel though every so often I get flagged to some real nastiness. And I'm happy that politics rarely ever come up. Surprising these days...
@@DrivenCarReviews good to know, and yeah I completely agree with you
its not NAMYAANG...its NamYoung
Why does it sound like he’a talking with peanut butter in his mouth
Ah, you've discovered my secret.
I think they have a hit on their hands.
Doug DeMuro was at this launch as well
"Hey BMW, sprechen sie dick" - Biermann
I'm so curious about what you think about this car
@@simonburkeisable haha
...and the dealers will fuck it all up. Hyundai and Kia need to clean house. Love the cars.
No matter the brand this can be the case. The dealership my wife takes her Kia to is quite good.
@@DrivenCarReviews Kia of Renton? I was cross-shopping a 2018 Sorento 3.3 EX with a Volvo XC-90 T-6, we bought the XC. The Kia dealership was like a summer stock version of Glengarry Glen Ross.
@@sendhelp444 Nope. Bought in Kirkland and get it serviced in Shoreline. Both have been solid experiences.
I cannot believe they gave this more power than the base Stinger. Same motor. Argh
I spy Antuan Goodwin
Bye bye Civic
But the speech that he's giving us for the i30n. For the velocitor end and they're not the same car
Uh, no. He's talking about Veloster N. There was a historical reference to the i30n but that's it. FYI, the Veloster has a lower center of gravity.
Not bad Hyundai, but it's not better than the bk2 3.8 genesis coupe💯
Whole lot of car for just under 30 grand.
Bye bye to JDM cars? Hello KDM cars start right now.