If you think about it Bill is actually kind of a catch: - He's love starved so he'd never cheat on you. He'd literally worship the ground you walk on - He has a great government job and thus government benefits (pension, good insurance, et cetera) - He not only owns his own home, he's lived there long enough that it's quite possibly close to being paid off - He actually has a general skill set If he broke out of his depression he'd likely lose weight and take better care of his physical appearance. The right woman just has to take a gamble on him and could hit the jackpot.
The episode where he sneaks behind Anne Richards back to whisper sweet words to Lenore puts that first point into question. That was, of course, a direct result of Lenore's manipulation, and she is the 'woman' he married after all. But even then, ya know?
I don't know if I'm remembering correctly but I swore I read an article from the KOTH writers stating that Bill couldn't win. Their whole shtick was that Bill always had to be the loser. I guess that explains why the relationship between him and Laoma never went anywhere. It's sad if that's the truth.
@@ArtsyJustin That's just a common trope in television. Ted from Scrubs was the same character. Got a happy ending in that series, but was later retonned in Cougar Town with is wife, Gooch running off with a guy named Hooch. Hooch is crazy...
@@ArtsyJustin there's always someone like that or close to that in most television. it's a trope pretty common, but it is nice when they do give the characters something that makes up for it(like jerry from parks and rec having a great home life and a giant penis)
This could mean that Lenore obviously never cared about Bill (not bothering to remember his birthday), but rather used him for her own selfish purposes. Considering that many bank accounts have security questions like “what is your mother’s maiden name?” & a social security number is a common identifier, I could definitely see Lenore skimming money out of Bill’s bank account or committing identity theft by pretending to be Bill.
@@monkeycat48 wasnt the reason she choose to try to get back into Bills life is so he couldnt get his happy ending by getting married to someone who actually loved him
Yeah, I know it's is full-blown armchair psychology but it's also pretty obvious that Nancy is a narcissist, Peggy, Nancy, and Minh all seem that way, Lenore strikes me as a sadist who knows fine well what she's doing. She has a fetish for inflicting psychological damage.
@@seeleunit2000prior to “Nancy’s boys” she definitely did not. She had more loyalty to John Redcorn and didn’t even attempt to hide her disinterest in Dale. Even after she stopped seeing John Redcorn she made it clear she was willing to resume the affair in order to save her hair :/.
@@pariahcovers7769 Can I just say I really hated that episode about the hair loss because it undid everything there? Nancy's situation, I kinda get. Hair loss on women is a much bigger deal due to feminine beauty standards. But Redcorn just regressed horribly. He refused to keep up the affair because Dale helped him so much on his fight to get his land back and saw him as a true friend, then that episode has him go "yeah I'll f*ck his wife again. What's he done for me besides be my band manager and agent and help me navigate a law system that refuses to help?"
@@redkingrauri3769 a lot of the rewrites and retcons that happened in the later seasons didn’t make any sense. I feel like the writers went for the low hanging fruit of a John Redcorn affair joke and didn’t give two thoughts about his character development. Grant it, it’s not unheard of for someone to resume an affair, but the way they presented it was just lazy.
Corvids actually make awesome wildlife friends if you learn about them and treat them with respect. If you become friends they'll come see you, bring you gifts, and introduce you to their young (a HUGE honor). 🙂
I mean it’s still infidelity but it’s more of a cake eater situation. Nancy wants Dale and she wants John Redcorn, she cares about them both in her own warped way. Lenore is more of the insane sadistic novelty seeking sex addict. I wonder if there are different names for the two types of adulterers in another language cause I can’t think of one in English, but you’re right they are very different types of cheating.
I can imagine what the recording was like. "Okay Stephen, we need you to try and speak in a high pitched voice like a bad impression of a woman. But with every other word, you need to use your actual bill voice." That session must've have been a riot.
Nah. Bill was weak to begin with but she brought all his terrible traits to the surface. Hank, boomhauer and Dale would NEVER let someone like Leynor walk allover them like that and they all organically got with their wives to begin with even if Nancy cheated, she organically got with Dale and didn't despise him. She took Bill from the Latin home coming queen and Bill had a trait that made it easy to let people with domineering personalities walk allover them. The wrong spouse can ruin your life completely but If you're already prone to being weak then it will ruin it immediately.
@@spankynater4242 Y'all keep saying that word "weak" as if taking advantage of an emotionally vulnerable person is somehow okay as long as they aren't strong enough then you go around blaming the victim thus absolving the actual peretrater of guilt.
Hank wouldn't be his friend anymore if that happened. Be for real, deep down inside hank is comfortable with Bill being a mess and likes it. Hank would be uncomfortable if Bill got his life together cause Bill eventually wouldn't need to be his friend anymore and Bill wouldn't be easy to boss around anymore.
Damn shame how Randy 'Macho Man' Savage got him on that proper healthy track, only to turn out to be just as, if not more toxic, than that "former Cowboy" d.bag Willie Lane
Couple things: 1: In _The Man Who Shot Cane Skretterberg_ Bill says Lenore left him because he's "lazy and dependant," which shows Bill is aware of his problems. 2: I would pay money to have Stephan Root record an audio version of _The Raven_ using Bill's voice. 3: If Lenore did show up to the Christmas party, she absolutely would've worn the same dress as Bill.
It's also worth noting, Lenore specifically points out she found out about Bill through the Society pages. Tells us she purposefully found out where he was going to be and stalked him in order to try to worm her way back into his life.
"That's all you ever do is eat pizza. No wonder you're bald and your wife left you." is, without question, one of my absolute favorite lines from any show I've ever watched
Imo that's only necessary when the risk of executing the character poorly could destroy everything that was achieved by keeping him or her murky, mysterious and left to the viewer's interpretation. In this case Lenore was well executed. The Koth showmakers are people you can trust to handle this kind of thing. We learn for a fact that she was a realistically wicked person by her appearance. Otherwise, you always consider if there is anything redeeming or reasonable about her personality and role in Bill's self-destruction. Turns out there isn't and she really is a perfect unabashed villian who you can love to hate.
He ended up with Kahn’s mother for an episode, which was written off faster than Hank’s pants during a Luanne trailer park tornado park episode. It was like the producer remembered Bill is the depressing one.
I hate that. We don't need trope characters in TV for it to be great. They're basically saying Bill is useless and can't be a great comedic functioning character if he doesn't grow as a person.
@@60wwediva in the show’s defense it was created by the beavis and butthead two stock characters with minimal character growth and it was all reckoned in the series finale maybe it was a master plan to entertain and screw with the audience.
It always sucks when those who are incredibly nice like Bill end up with someone who do not deserve them. Obviously Bill loved Lenore a lot as if he didn’t, then their divorcing wouldn’t have hit him as hard as it did. Thank you for talking about Lenore and the episode she appeared in. She’s somebody I believe we all had in our lives at one point, hopefully most of us weren’t in a relationship of the Lenore we knew or know. Keep up the great work and have a great weekend!
@@spankynater4242same. And. O dependency. The fact he even let Lenore into his life in the first place showed he had some sort of low self esteem and didn't think much of himself. He practically took the first woman that came along. He likes very loud bossy and opinionated women.
the biggest issue, especially in the USA, is that alot of people don't put in the time to vet the people they're dating. You need to experience what it's like with someone behind closed doors and when they're in times of stress. Regardless of gender, a narcissist can regrettably ruin your life and absolutely ruin your self-esteem and leave you thinking it's your fault. For some reason [which narcissists love to take advantage of] alot of people think that if you've been together for a year, then you have to get married or whatever but is a year really enough to truly know someone and see them for who they are?
Interesting fact: the seeds of what happens in Pretty, Pretty Dresses were actually planted in season 2. I can't recall the exact episode, Perhaps Hank's Dirty Laundry, but Bill mentions his dad shaming him by having him wear "Pretty, Pretty Dresses" when he was growing up. It's a throw-away joke that I noticed after re-watching some episodes that really does add more to the episode.
Until the episode where we actually see Lenore, she's depicted considerably more sympathetically, or at least not completely UNsympathetically. It is repeatedly implied that Bill was at least partially at fault for Lenore leaving. Her character appears to gradually go from "probably a normal woman who just got sick of Bill's behavior" to "vile demon."
To be honest, I always felt Bill was being hard on himself since Bill's self esteem has always been low even when he was with Lenore. So maybe, Lenore convinced Bill that it was all his fault she cheated on him and left him. Maybe Bill convinced himself. But when we finally see Lenore, we realize that Lenore was just walking poison and while Bill does need to work on himself Lenore leaving him was a big blessing in disguise.
You missed a big one, S2 E19 Leanne's saga, when the guys see Bills toe fungus for the first time, Bill says the only person he ever showed them to was his wife who then used it against him in the divorce.
I'd say she is tied with Luannes and Hanks parents Strickland Nancy and John redcorn in how much damage they cause and refuse to admit their wrongdoings. Bill was singularly hurt and destoryed as a person which led to his overweight and depression and probably why he gravitated towards Peggy who is the opposite of Lenore. Meanwhile John redcorn damaged at least 6 people we know of while Luannes parents was the entire family outside bobby and Hank Strickland is a Businessman and while it stinks to see how much Hank defends him. He still pays his workers and ended up better with his wife and son
i agree, but, at the the same time, mike judge and crew and all that deep minded imho... at least with these seasons of this show... as in, these seasons weren't trying to make sure all the "lore" matched up. also, these shows were produced before the internet could disect every scene, lol, but that's just my .02 tho
Lenore is far worse imo, she ruined his life because Bill was a completely genuine and honest person and really loved her. I don’t think even Luanne and Redcorn are close tbh. They don’t take joy in ruining someone’s life but Lenore is a true psychopath.
@@kekero540Luannes parents are worse. Lenore breaks men and runs but her parents broke their own daughter leaving her nowhere to go If Hank and Peggy didn't step in to help. That on top of how mom nearly did the same to bill as Lenore same with Luannes boyfriend. Dad meanwhile tried to get lucky arrested then his daughter who was pregnant. They are a terror to everyone around them on top of stealing. Lenore breaks single men for her own ego. the John comment immediately aged like rotten milk. He literally says how it's "no fun" when dale is telling him to get in his house and message Nancy. He tales pleasure in this and then again in the episode where we see he has more than one kid and how he explains to dale how hard it is to steal another man's woman.
If you ask me Bill deserves it. He left his homecoming girlfriend for her. She showed the red flag and he failed to see it. He made the same mistake again when he dated the governor.
You are right. He was deceived by his bad mind and emotions (his demons) on both occasions... his real life demon parasite (Lehore) was manipulating those terrible weak spots inside of him... that the role of people like her. Like the governor said, Lenore led him Again to "humble pie" -- his self-destruction. He had the biggest hand in his self-destruction by being seduced by an obviously immoral, dishonest person. All this being said, I have a hard time hoping for anyone to have an entirely ruined life... even my worst enemy . We all wish he could have a break
Mike Judge is one of the best villain writers ever. Every antagonist on King of the Hill is so hateable and makes us want to punch the tv whenever they’re on. I think it’s due to how realistic they are and that we’ve dealt with people like them.
Bill dressing up as Lenore is so funny, but if that was your buddy, you'd take him to the hospital immediately. Dude is having a mental breakdown on some real levels. "May I offer you a homemade tator tot Mr and Mrs Dotrive?"
Given KotH's, let's say, decline in the later seasons, it kind-of frustrated me that they just dropped the whole line with Khan's mother being his girlfriend. I know KotH wasn't that well known for changing character dynamics, but c'mon. Cotton died, Peggy changed jobs, Tilly got a new boyfriend, *Lucky married Luanne*, so they clearly weren't against it. I feel robbed that they never even brought up why she just disappeared. Nursing homes can't be that hard to leave!
Also, I would think with Lenore's reputation and behavior, she wouldn't be on good terms or easily be in touch or able to get a hold of - especially with Bill's friends and neighbors. It seemed too convenient that she was able to get on the phone at a crucial moment. It seems that even episode summaries online state she was actually on the phone with Peggy, but we can only go off with what Peggy claimed and it isn't proven to be true. It felt to me that Peggy made it up to remind Bill how terrible Lenore is.
This video has helped me because I struggle to move on from the girl who broke my heart. Like Bill, I had an ex-lover who never loved me and disrespected me through her silent treatment. This video has taught me to never forget all the reasons my relationship with her soured and it also taught me what love isn't through my experience her. I know I will find love again, even though I, myself, broke the heart of the girl who wanted me when no one else wanted me.
I wouldn't say Lenore is the shows "biggest" villain. Because if she was she would've done things to the other main characters, But nope she only affected the life of one of them.
I know you did the Ray Roy video but I feel like we need a deep look at Buck Strickland. Especially in the Tammy episode when he almost frames Hank by placing spent shells in his truck
One more I thought of because it's on TV this morning. "The Most Divorcable Hank Has Ever Been" and it's a look at his obsession over the magic act in Sleight of Hank
I truly don't understand why Bill fell in love with her to begin with, she's completely for the streets, the sidewalks, the curb, all of that, she left when Bill was at rock bottom and only came back when he was doing great, she completely ruined his life in more ways than one, and probably the most important thing, she looks and sounds like she's in her mid 50's or 60's. That's at least 10-20ish years over Bill, and everyone else. I personally wish he did a little more than just moon her.
It should also be mentioned that apparently there was a deleted scene from the episode "Sirloin with Love" where Bill pulls out a piece of cake from their wedding, and then he smells the stake coming from Hank's house. He then throws out the piece of cake and heads over to Hank's house, which finally gives him the closure he so desperately needed. It's definitely a shame this scene was cut because Bill deserved so much better even with his one-off episodes
“Traveling from town to town putting wrong what once was right and leaving chaos on her wake” So what you’re saying is Xavier Renegade Angel Is actually about Lenore from King of the Hill
Part of me believes that the fact that she doesn’t have any remorse for what she has done to bill along with whoever else she screws over. I’m just gonna say clearly, even though Hazbin Hotel already has Lilith in Paradise. Where she gets literally told by Lute to go back down and stop Charlie from redeeming souls. This character Lenore reminds me of Lilith.
Nancy isn't cruel or evil, she's weak. she doesn't want to give up John Redcorn but she also doesn't want to have to hurt Dale by telling him the truth. I'd argue that Nancy isn't a hateable character though because she genuinely loves Dale and Joseph and frankly she doesn't put up much fuss for all the shit Dale does because at the end of the day he's a good husband and father. Infidelity is a breach of trust and is inherently bad, but it isn't an act that absolutely must destroy a relationship. king of the hill has pretty nuanced depictions of characters. we all know hank is a stand up guy, but he is also often very stubborn and often sabotages his own relationship with his son because it is so difficult to get him to understand or accept new things. Peggy can often be completely ignorant and self-absorbed, but a lot of that comes from her inherent desire to help people. she often comes off as bossy or stupid but it comes from a genuine place of compassion, i think. Bill can be a complete asshole when his desire for love and attention supersedes his loyalty to his friends, but we all know bill is a good dude. i dunno! i just think koth is a great show that deserves better than to just Hate well written characters besides the ones that are pretty flat villains used to move an episode forward like lenore or luanne's parents
Bill really was a great guy in his youth before Lenore destroyed him. He was arguably a collegiate or even professional level Football prospect, He was in the U.S. Army tank division and is seen to be a Sargent, world class chef skills, and even speaks very fluent Cajun French. Bill to me shows the all too common end result of untreated depression and how it will absolutely rob you of your future and potential if it hasn't gotten you to self check out first.
Personally, I think the worst people on the show are all the ones who know about Nancy and John Redcorn and don't say anything to Dale. Coming from someone who's been cheated on and found out his friends knew and didn't say anything, that experience almost drove me to suicide and has left me a very reclusive and distrusting person.
I'm pretty sure Lenore and Bill were high school sweethearts, just like Nancy and Peggy were for Dale and Hank. They went to homecoming dance together and Lenore mentions that she thinks she should have been Bill's homecoming queen. We also see a girl that looks a lot like her in a high school flashback in Bill's car, hugging Bill before he goes to the Army. The anecdote about her being passed out in Bill's lap at the concert really sounded more like just a moment in their relationship rather than the beginning of it.
omg, thanks for clearing up that "I only made it to *"wood"* - I'm Australian, I'd always heard that statement as "I only made it to *"one".* That actually makes so much more sense that it was around 5~6 years, the show always made it seem that way, I was always so thrown off by that, but it makes sense now! Thankyou, subbed :D
yes, Lenore is the biggest villain since she all but says she's deliberately ruining Bill's life. Luanne's parents might be on a similar level but they were just bad people in general who weren't deliberately targeting Luanne to ruin her life, they just did as a circumstance of being her parents
There’s nothing wrong with Bill that some good coping skills and a good therapist can’t fix. There’s other episodes that give us a glimpse of what Bill is capable of when he sets his mind to it. The problem is he doesn’t have a healthy outlet for working through his problems because his friends don’t wear their hearts on their sleeves nor do they have any use for people that do. Hank will be there for him when Bill needs him, but Bill can’t talk to him. The women in his life don’t treat him with much respect either. I think Ann Richards is the only woman during the entire series run that ever treated him with any kind of respect.
Bill is a relatable character, I too had my own Lenore and it’s been 6 years and I still never forget the mental abuse I got and I can never forget when I looked to my right and saw her holding hands with someone she just met online within 3 days and we hung with him because he lived near by and we did everything together for years but I was nothing to her so much so that some random person online has more worth than me someone she barely knew vs someone she’s known for years and did everything together and been through ups and downs. I miss her still and every December I drink hoping to die and one time I was almost successful in vegas but I’m still here sadly but now I drink and smoke the pain away and kill my memories and I’m happy, I may not remember much anymore but I still feel the hurt but I’m fine, I just wish I’m lucky enough one day to find someone who actually cares about me like the girl I let go because of her, I lost someone who truly cared about me for someone who didn’t and I just wish I can get another chance and not lose it I’d be super grateful before it’s too late for me
Sorry brother. I really am. Wake up early and fight. Have a difficult physical activity to start the day. Have a Rocky moment. Find a job that will teach you how to love others again. Special needs and schools did it for me. Leave the people who succumb to the evil in their hearts in God's hands and use all your will to fight above the destruction that they cause on you and other innocents by becoming truly humble, truly loving, truly innocent and good again. Characters like Bill are real warnings of what you can become if you let selfish people win. If we share any of these characters traits, we gotta meditate upon them, and systematically weed them out together. I'll pray for you man.
I watched reruns of this show all the time, yet I somehow never saw Lenore’s spotlight episode. I always thought she’d be a faceless figure who we only knew about via Bill’s recollections.
I've been bill before, thank god I found my Anne Richards lol. Only think I'm proud of out of that whole ordeal was I didn't get to the wearing a dress stage. 😂😂
Lenore is already on the cusp of losing her looks due to age. If only we would get to see eventually nobody wanting to date her or even spend time with her. As she reaches old age she’d look back on her life and realized she had a husband who loved her no matter what and she threw him away. She’d probably die sad and alone. Sorry if I got too dark there…..
It'd also entirely possible she was remembering stealing someone else's Homecoming King/date. She's definitely the type to mess around on other people's relationships.
Uk what I just noticed….. there are alot of really messed up women in this show !! Leanne , Lenore , sometimes Peggy , the girl that pumped and dumped boomhauer , the crazy girl Debbie that was buck’s mistress that unalived herself by accident in a dumpster the list goes on !!!
Lenore is a terrible person as proven when the viewers FINALLY get to see her only when Bill gets close to someone with power. THAT should tell you just enough of the type of person she is which makes it so sad that Bill was pulled into that type of relationship and never fully recovered from it. And let's just say that Bill PRETENDING to be Lenor was doing her too good. She made her out to be such a nice person....when we know otherwise. And I can only imagine how uncomfortable it was hearing the two fight, considering that Lenore would have been the instigator in a lot of those confrontations.
11:05 I legit always wondered if that was Lenore's own date and seeing that he looks like Billl, that maybe she had a type. That or maybe she's thinking that like Bill, she could take advantage of him.
I’ll give you a better one sir. Peggy was being schooled by her mother on making cherry pie (when Hank had mono) while Peggy and Hank were high school students in Arlen, Texas. But in a future episode (the Montana cattle drive), Peggy admits her mother has lived on the Montana Ranch her entire life and would never leave it, and Peggy grew up on that ranch).
I think the entire timeline of the original show is off, everyone concludes in happened in a year based on To Sirloin with Love because they explicitly stated that but there are at least 3 Christmas episodes in the show
"Lenore Dauterive. Maiden name unknown. Possibly Satan." that caught me by surprise. made me laugh really hard but yeah caught me by surprise.
Imagining her maiden name was Edgarallen ( as in Edgar Allen Poe)
She's Lilith
If you think about it Bill is actually kind of a catch:
- He's love starved so he'd never cheat on you. He'd literally worship the ground you walk on
- He has a great government job and thus government benefits (pension, good insurance, et cetera)
- He not only owns his own home, he's lived there long enough that it's quite possibly close to being paid off
- He actually has a general skill set
If he broke out of his depression he'd likely lose weight and take better care of his physical appearance. The right woman just has to take a gamble on him and could hit the jackpot.
The episode where he sneaks behind Anne Richards back to whisper sweet words to Lenore puts that first point into question. That was, of course, a direct result of Lenore's manipulation, and she is the 'woman' he married after all. But even then, ya know?
agreed, there's a lot of hidden talent and value buried underneath bill's granite state.
I don't know if I'm remembering correctly but I swore I read an article from the KOTH writers stating that Bill couldn't win. Their whole shtick was that Bill always had to be the loser. I guess that explains why the relationship between him and Laoma never went anywhere. It's sad if that's the truth.
@@ArtsyJustin That's just a common trope in television. Ted from Scrubs was the same character. Got a happy ending in that series, but was later retonned in Cougar Town with is wife, Gooch running off with a guy named Hooch.
Hooch is crazy...
@@ArtsyJustin there's always someone like that or close to that in most television. it's a trope pretty common, but it is nice when they do give the characters something that makes up for it(like jerry from parks and rec having a great home life and a giant penis)
I like how Lenore knows Bill's mother's maiden name and his ssn but not his birthday
This could mean that Lenore obviously never cared about Bill (not bothering to remember his birthday), but rather used him for her own selfish purposes. Considering that many bank accounts have security questions like “what is your mother’s maiden name?” & a social security number is a common identifier, I could definitely see Lenore skimming money out of Bill’s bank account or committing identity theft by pretending to be Bill.
She definitely is pure evil. Yeah, she deserved what she got in the end.👍👍👍 Bill deserved so much better.
@@monkeycat48 wasnt the reason she choose to try to get back into Bills life is so he couldnt get his happy ending by getting married to someone who actually loved him
She was a gold digger from the beginning.
Poor Bill
Oh Lenore knows his birthday but more as a fact to open a credit card in his name, she wasnt really paying attention the day of
She's somehow even worse than Nancy. At least Nancy doesn't enjoy hurting Dale
It's interesting. Nancy actually seems to like her husband (despite the fact Dale's board certified and Nancy is a cheater).
Yeah, I know it's is full-blown armchair psychology but it's also pretty obvious that Nancy is a narcissist, Peggy, Nancy, and Minh all seem that way, Lenore strikes me as a sadist who knows fine well what she's doing. She has a fetish for inflicting psychological damage.
@@seeleunit2000prior to “Nancy’s boys” she definitely did not. She had more loyalty to John Redcorn and didn’t even attempt to hide her disinterest in Dale. Even after she stopped seeing John Redcorn she made it clear she was willing to resume the affair in order to save her hair :/.
@@pariahcovers7769 Can I just say I really hated that episode about the hair loss because it undid everything there? Nancy's situation, I kinda get. Hair loss on women is a much bigger deal due to feminine beauty standards. But Redcorn just regressed horribly. He refused to keep up the affair because Dale helped him so much on his fight to get his land back and saw him as a true friend, then that episode has him go "yeah I'll f*ck his wife again. What's he done for me besides be my band manager and agent and help me navigate a law system that refuses to help?"
@@redkingrauri3769 a lot of the rewrites and retcons that happened in the later seasons didn’t make any sense. I feel like the writers went for the low hanging fruit of a John Redcorn affair joke and didn’t give two thoughts about his character development. Grant it, it’s not unheard of for someone to resume an affair, but the way they presented it was just lazy.
Finding out crows can actually talk makes the raven poem crazy, you really could hear one tell you "Nevermore."
"Nevermore" actually
Corvids actually make awesome wildlife friends if you learn about them and treat them with respect. If you become friends they'll come see you, bring you gifts, and introduce you to their young (a HUGE honor). 🙂
@@RT-qd8yl I wanna train some to bring me money
Saw a video of a raven saying "Nevermore" and it hits different actually hearing it.
F, you beat me to it.
Nancy doesn't have fidelity issues. She's had the same lover for over a decade.
fair enough.
I mean it’s still infidelity but it’s more of a cake eater situation. Nancy wants Dale and she wants John Redcorn, she cares about them both in her own warped way. Lenore is more of the insane sadistic novelty seeking sex addict. I wonder if there are different names for the two types of adulterers in another language cause I can’t think of one in English, but you’re right they are very different types of cheating.
@@mommalion7028If that's the case, then an open relationship could have been up for discussion.
disgusting to say, Infidelity is Infidelity and not right.
@@AnAverageGoblin some are worse than others
I can imagine what the recording was like.
"Okay Stephen, we need you to try and speak in a high pitched voice like a bad impression of a woman. But with every other word, you need to use your actual bill voice."
That session must've have been a riot.
*Johnny Hardwick walks past the recording booth practicing his falsetto voice* "G'ih!" *runs back to his car*
You described everything a golddigger would want to know
Man this just shows you how a bad spouse can completely destroy a person
Doesn't even need to be a spouse. Betrayal can really mess a person up.
@@Amins88Not just the couple but the kids & family as well
No, it shows how a weak person can be easily destroyed.
Nah. Bill was weak to begin with but she brought all his terrible traits to the surface. Hank, boomhauer and Dale would NEVER let someone like Leynor walk allover them like that and they all organically got with their wives to begin with even if Nancy cheated, she organically got with Dale and didn't despise him. She took Bill from the Latin home coming queen and Bill had a trait that made it easy to let people with domineering personalities walk allover them. The wrong spouse can ruin your life completely but If you're already prone to being weak then it will ruin it immediately.
@@spankynater4242 Y'all keep saying that word "weak" as if taking advantage of an emotionally vulnerable person is somehow okay as long as they aren't strong enough then you go around blaming the victim thus absolving the actual peretrater of guilt.
That’s the one thing I wanted to see in the original series: Bill sticking to a fitness routine, rebuilding his life, and finding someone.
There was an episode where bill started hanging out with a bunch of extreme weight lifters, and became shredded, all while maintaining his beer gut.
Hank wouldn't be his friend anymore if that happened. Be for real, deep down inside hank is comfortable with Bill being a mess and likes it. Hank would be uncomfortable if Bill got his life together cause Bill eventually wouldn't need to be his friend anymore and Bill wouldn't be easy to boss around anymore.
@@60wwedivaDon't do Hank dirty like that
@@prixe12 lmfao simp hank couldn't handle the gas man fixing his fuck up. never mind bill outclassing the propane salesmen.
Damn shame how Randy 'Macho Man' Savage got him on that proper healthy track, only to turn out to be just as, if not more toxic, than that "former Cowboy" d.bag Willie Lane
There is an answer to the divorce in 1991. She could have left before then but didn't file for and forge Bill's signature on the Divorce papers.
Couple things:
1: In _The Man Who Shot Cane Skretterberg_ Bill says Lenore left him because he's "lazy and dependant," which shows Bill is aware of his problems.
2: I would pay money to have Stephan Root record an audio version of _The Raven_ using Bill's voice.
3: If Lenore did show up to the Christmas party, she absolutely would've worn the same dress as Bill.
I like the iguana better.
Spineless bottom feeder and the other was a lizard
Not gonna lie, but the iguana’s name is so much better. I prefer the iguana over that slut whore scheming, spawn evil🤣🤣🤣
It's also worth noting, Lenore specifically points out she found out about Bill through the Society pages. Tells us she purposefully found out where he was going to be and stalked him in order to try to worm her way back into his life.
And that tells us she reads society pages so she can scout for successful men in the first place.
She puts in work to be a scumbag.
Bobby referring to Bill-Lenore as Mr and Mrs Dauterive is probably one of the bee moments from the show tbh
Lenore is what happens when you combine the wicked witch of the west from Wizard Of Oz and with the evil witch queen of Snow White and with Leanne.
The evilest thing she did in the entire show was make the Dreamworks face in her first on-screen appearance
"That's all you ever do is eat pizza. No wonder you're bald and your wife left you." is, without question, one of my absolute favorite lines from any show I've ever watched
"Hey! I'm burned!" -Bill.
I wish they had kept Lenore's appearance a secret, like what Powerpuff girls did with miss Bellum.
Norm’s wife on Cheers
@@claymathewselevator8121 Cecil Terwilliger: Maris?
Imo that's only necessary when the risk of executing the character poorly could destroy everything that was achieved by keeping him or her murky, mysterious and left to the viewer's interpretation.
In this case Lenore was well executed. The Koth showmakers are people you can trust to handle this kind of thing. We learn for a fact that she was a realistically wicked person by her appearance. Otherwise, you always consider if there is anything redeeming or reasonable about her personality and role in Bill's self-destruction. Turns out there isn't and she really is a perfect unabashed villian who you can love to hate.
He ended up with Kahn’s mother for an episode, which was written off faster than Hank’s pants during a Luanne trailer park tornado park episode. It was like the producer remembered Bill is the depressing one.
I hate that. We don't need trope characters in TV for it to be great. They're basically saying Bill is useless and can't be a great comedic functioning character if he doesn't grow as a person.
@@60wwediva in the show’s defense it was created by the beavis and butthead two stock characters with minimal character growth and it was all reckoned in the series finale maybe it was a master plan to entertain and screw with the audience.
Boomhauer's reaction was mine when my friend got back with his abusive ex. Followed by incessant screaming.
It always sucks when those who are incredibly nice like Bill end up with someone who do not deserve them. Obviously Bill loved Lenore a lot as if he didn’t, then their divorcing wouldn’t have hit him as hard as it did. Thank you for talking about Lenore and the episode she appeared in. She’s somebody I believe we all had in our lives at one point, hopefully most of us weren’t in a relationship of the Lenore we knew or know. Keep up the great work and have a great weekend!
That wasn't love Bill felt for Lenore, it was a deranged obsession. He's the same with Peggy.
@@spankynater4242same. And. O dependency. The fact he even let Lenore into his life in the first place showed he had some sort of low self esteem and didn't think much of himself. He practically took the first woman that came along. He likes very loud bossy and opinionated women.
Bill wasn't in love with Lenore, he was in love with the idea of being in love
the biggest issue, especially in the USA, is that alot of people don't put in the time to vet the people they're dating. You need to experience what it's like with someone behind closed doors and when they're in times of stress. Regardless of gender, a narcissist can regrettably ruin your life and absolutely ruin your self-esteem and leave you thinking it's your fault. For some reason [which narcissists love to take advantage of] alot of people think that if you've been together for a year, then you have to get married or whatever but is a year really enough to truly know someone and see them for who they are?
Interesting fact: the seeds of what happens in Pretty, Pretty Dresses were actually planted in season 2. I can't recall the exact episode, Perhaps Hank's Dirty Laundry, but Bill mentions his dad shaming him by having him wear "Pretty, Pretty Dresses" when he was growing up. It's a throw-away joke that I noticed after re-watching some episodes that really does add more to the episode.
She's a perfect example of "I don't want you but I don't want anyone else to have you"
Until the episode where we actually see Lenore, she's depicted considerably more sympathetically, or at least not completely UNsympathetically. It is repeatedly implied that Bill was at least partially at fault for Lenore leaving. Her character appears to gradually go from "probably a normal woman who just got sick of Bill's behavior" to "vile demon."
To be honest, I always felt Bill was being hard on himself since Bill's self esteem has always been low even when he was with Lenore. So maybe, Lenore convinced Bill that it was all his fault she cheated on him and left him. Maybe Bill convinced himself. But when we finally see Lenore, we realize that Lenore was just walking poison and while Bill does need to work on himself Lenore leaving him was a big blessing in disguise.
You missed a big one, S2 E19 Leanne's saga, when the guys see Bills toe fungus for the first time, Bill says the only person he ever showed them to was his wife who then used it against him in the divorce.
I'd say she is tied with Luannes and Hanks parents Strickland Nancy and John redcorn in how much damage they cause and refuse to admit their wrongdoings.
Bill was singularly hurt and destoryed as a person which led to his overweight and depression and probably why he gravitated towards Peggy who is the opposite of Lenore.
Meanwhile John redcorn damaged at least 6 people we know of while Luannes parents was the entire family outside bobby and Hank
Strickland is a Businessman and while it stinks to see how much Hank defends him. He still pays his workers and ended up better with his wife and son
i agree, but, at the the same time, mike judge and crew and all that deep minded imho... at least with these seasons of this show... as in, these seasons weren't trying to make sure all the "lore" matched up. also, these shows were produced before the internet could disect every scene, lol, but that's just my .02 tho
Lenore is far worse imo, she ruined his life because Bill was a completely genuine and honest person and really loved her. I don’t think even Luanne and Redcorn are close tbh. They don’t take joy in ruining someone’s life but Lenore is a true psychopath.
@@kekero540Luannes parents are worse. Lenore breaks men and runs but her parents broke their own daughter leaving her nowhere to go If Hank and Peggy didn't step in to help. That on top of how mom nearly did the same to bill as Lenore same with Luannes boyfriend. Dad meanwhile tried to get lucky arrested then his daughter who was pregnant. They are a terror to everyone around them on top of stealing. Lenore breaks single men for her own ego.
the John comment immediately aged like rotten milk. He literally says how it's "no fun" when dale is telling him to get in his house and message Nancy. He tales pleasure in this and then again in the episode where we see he has more than one kid and how he explains to dale how hard it is to steal another man's woman.
If you ask me Bill deserves it. He left his homecoming girlfriend for her. She showed the red flag and he failed to see it. He made the same mistake again when he dated the governor.
You are right. He was deceived by his bad mind and emotions (his demons) on both occasions... his real life demon parasite (Lehore) was manipulating those terrible weak spots inside of him... that the role of people like her. Like the governor said, Lenore led him Again to "humble pie" -- his self-destruction.
He had the biggest hand in his self-destruction by being seduced by an obviously immoral, dishonest person.
All this being said, I have a hard time hoping for anyone to have an entirely ruined life... even my worst enemy . We all wish he could have a break
Mike Judge is one of the best villain writers ever. Every antagonist on King of the Hill is so hateable and makes us want to punch the tv whenever they’re on. I think it’s due to how realistic they are and that we’ve dealt with people like them.
3:49 "anyway speaking fast and loose lenore"
Okay i laughted 😅
William in script Dauterive in block letters
Now I wish there was a Halloween episode that would have revealed Lenore to be a literal succubus.
"This isn't the Democratic National Convention!" That line was hilarious.
Bill dressing up as Lenore is so funny, but if that was your buddy, you'd take him to the hospital immediately. Dude is having a mental breakdown on some real levels. "May I offer you a homemade tator tot Mr and Mrs Dotrive?"
Fun fact: Ann Richards played herself in that episode
I know this is a Bill and Lenore episode but we all need a friend like Hank!!
Bills house is huge considering it’s just him. I hope in the revival bill has kids (what he always wanted.) bill deserves happiness
i hope that Bill finally finds that special someone to love him and Lenore dies and gives him all her assets
Didn't he say he hates kids at one point?
6:36 this moment is so underrated. How quick Hank defends beer is so good 😂😂
Given KotH's, let's say, decline in the later seasons, it kind-of frustrated me that they just dropped the whole line with Khan's mother being his girlfriend. I know KotH wasn't that well known for changing character dynamics, but c'mon. Cotton died, Peggy changed jobs, Tilly got a new boyfriend, *Lucky married Luanne*, so they clearly weren't against it. I feel robbed that they never even brought up why she just disappeared. Nursing homes can't be that hard to leave!
I liked Lenore being with Bill looking guy
When she said she forged his signature in block letters that checks out, at basic we were taught to handwrite everything in capital block letters
I always thought it was really sweet that bobby's instinct was to respectfully refer to Bill as "Mr & Mrs. Dautrieve"
Maybe some kind of crazy tennis
In "Pretty, Pretty Dresses", I always thought Peggy faked that Lenore was on the phone to snap Bill out of it.
I thought the same.
Also, I would think with Lenore's reputation and behavior, she wouldn't be on good terms or easily be in touch or able to get a hold of - especially with Bill's friends and neighbors. It seemed too convenient that she was able to get on the phone at a crucial moment.
It seems that even episode summaries online state she was actually on the phone with Peggy, but we can only go off with what Peggy claimed and it isn't proven to be true. It felt to me that Peggy made it up to remind Bill how terrible Lenore is.
This video has helped me because I struggle to move on from the girl who broke my heart.
Like Bill, I had an ex-lover who never loved me and disrespected me through her silent treatment.
This video has taught me to never forget all the reasons my relationship with her soured and it also taught me what love isn't through my experience her.
I know I will find love again, even though I, myself, broke the heart of the girl who wanted me when no one else wanted me.
I wouldn't say Lenore is the shows "biggest" villain. Because if she was she would've done things to the other main characters, But nope she only affected the life of one of them.
Bill ruined his own life
@@blenderbananaYep, pretty much.
Really wish Bill can catch a happy ending rather than a bone he loses quicker than he won it.
Makes
You wonder what happened to Kahn’s mom? He seem to be happy at the end of that episode
It would have been hilarious if the thumbnail was Bill in a dress.
Why do you keep calling me bill
I know you did the Ray Roy video but I feel like we need a deep look at Buck Strickland. Especially in the Tammy episode when he almost frames Hank by placing spent shells in his truck
I do plan to cover Buck.
One more I thought of because it's on TV this morning. "The Most Divorcable Hank Has Ever Been" and it's a look at his obsession over the magic act in Sleight of Hank
I loved comparing Lenore to the evil leapers from Quantum Leap
"Don't go blaming the beer!"
Hank did the Lord's work
"Babe, wake up. Squirrel Tactics just dropped a new video."
The guy at dinner with Lenore is Bill's long lost brother.... Shill.
Lenore and Cotton are probably the two biggest villians.
I truly don't understand why Bill fell in love with her to begin with, she's completely for the streets, the sidewalks, the curb, all of that, she left when Bill was at rock bottom and only came back when he was doing great, she completely ruined his life in more ways than one, and probably the most important thing, she looks and sounds like she's in her mid 50's or 60's. That's at least 10-20ish years over Bill, and everyone else. I personally wish he did a little more than just moon her.
It should also be mentioned that apparently there was a deleted scene from the episode "Sirloin with Love" where Bill pulls out a piece of cake from their wedding, and then he smells the stake coming from Hank's house. He then throws out the piece of cake and heads over to Hank's house, which finally gives him the closure he so desperately needed. It's definitely a shame this scene was cut because Bill deserved so much better even with his one-off episodes
Man, Lenore always made me think of my ex.
I never knew about the Edgar Allen Poe connection. That's actually genius, on the shows part.
"I don't know what kind of game you are playing, maybe it's some kind of tennis" I don't know why this made me crack up
Ann Richards was a Texas Treasure, I wish there was still politicians around like that.
“Traveling from town to town putting wrong what once was right and leaving chaos on her wake”
So what you’re saying is Xavier Renegade Angel Is actually about Lenore from King of the Hill
It was more a nod to Quantum Leap, but that works too.
lol, Dale really rocked that dress, I say that unironically!
Part of me believes that the fact that she doesn’t have any remorse for what she has done to bill along with whoever else she screws over. I’m just gonna say clearly, even though Hazbin Hotel already has Lilith in Paradise. Where she gets literally told by Lute to go back down and stop Charlie from redeeming souls. This character Lenore reminds me of Lilith.
King of the Hill was a very wise show disguised as a comedy
Nancy isn't cruel or evil, she's weak. she doesn't want to give up John Redcorn but she also doesn't want to have to hurt Dale by telling him the truth. I'd argue that Nancy isn't a hateable character though because she genuinely loves Dale and Joseph and frankly she doesn't put up much fuss for all the shit Dale does because at the end of the day he's a good husband and father. Infidelity is a breach of trust and is inherently bad, but it isn't an act that absolutely must destroy a relationship. king of the hill has pretty nuanced depictions of characters. we all know hank is a stand up guy, but he is also often very stubborn and often sabotages his own relationship with his son because it is so difficult to get him to understand or accept new things. Peggy can often be completely ignorant and self-absorbed, but a lot of that comes from her inherent desire to help people. she often comes off as bossy or stupid but it comes from a genuine place of compassion, i think. Bill can be a complete asshole when his desire for love and attention supersedes his loyalty to his friends, but we all know bill is a good dude. i dunno! i just think koth is a great show that deserves better than to just Hate well written characters besides the ones that are pretty flat villains used to move an episode forward like lenore or luanne's parents
Bill really was a great guy in his youth before Lenore destroyed him. He was arguably a collegiate or even professional level Football prospect, He was in the U.S. Army tank division and is seen to be a Sargent, world class chef skills, and even speaks very fluent Cajun French. Bill to me shows the all too common end result of untreated depression and how it will absolutely rob you of your future and potential if it hasn't gotten you to self check out first.
Personally, I think the worst people on the show are all the ones who know about Nancy and John Redcorn and don't say anything to Dale. Coming from someone who's been cheated on and found out his friends knew and didn't say anything, that experience almost drove me to suicide and has left me a very reclusive and distrusting person.
That's a fair assessment, and I hope things get better for you.
I knew you would eventually make a Lenore video!
I'm pretty sure Lenore and Bill were high school sweethearts, just like Nancy and Peggy were for Dale and Hank. They went to homecoming dance together and Lenore mentions that she thinks she should have been Bill's homecoming queen. We also see a girl that looks a lot like her in a high school flashback in Bill's car, hugging Bill before he goes to the Army.
The anecdote about her being passed out in Bill's lap at the concert really sounded more like just a moment in their relationship rather than the beginning of it.
Stuart Dooley: Your wife divorced you.
Bill: 😨
omg, thanks for clearing up that "I only made it to *"wood"* - I'm Australian, I'd always heard that statement as "I only made it to *"one".* That actually makes so much more sense that it was around 5~6 years, the show always made it seem that way, I was always so thrown off by that, but it makes sense now! Thankyou, subbed :D
Glad I could clear that up.
yes, Lenore is the biggest villain since she all but says she's deliberately ruining Bill's life. Luanne's parents might be on a similar level but they were just bad people in general who weren't deliberately targeting Luanne to ruin her life, they just did as a circumstance of being her parents
yep. just plain evil with no redeeming qualities.
She makes Cotton look like a saint.
There’s nothing wrong with Bill that some good coping skills and a good therapist can’t fix. There’s other episodes that give us a glimpse of what Bill is capable of when he sets his mind to it. The problem is he doesn’t have a healthy outlet for working through his problems because his friends don’t wear their hearts on their sleeves nor do they have any use for people that do. Hank will be there for him when Bill needs him, but Bill can’t talk to him.
The women in his life don’t treat him with much respect either. I think Ann Richards is the only woman during the entire series run that ever treated him with any kind of respect.
Can I make a request for a Joseph John Gribble? Yes, that's his full name ^_^
That's a really good idea
God, that is sad for John redcorn.
He's on the list.
Its like Kenny Omega getting sad because Kota Ibushi leaving him
Kenny:Why do you keep calling me Kenny ?
Everyone in that town is so terrible that it makes you cheer for the least terrible
Bill is a relatable character, I too had my own Lenore and it’s been 6 years and I still never forget the mental abuse I got and I can never forget when I looked to my right and saw her holding hands with someone she just met online within 3 days and we hung with him because he lived near by and we did everything together for years but I was nothing to her so much so that some random person online has more worth than me someone she barely knew vs someone she’s known for years and did everything together and been through ups and downs. I miss her still and every December I drink hoping to die and one time I was almost successful in vegas but I’m still here sadly but now I drink and smoke the pain away and kill my memories and I’m happy, I may not remember much anymore but I still feel the hurt but I’m fine, I just wish I’m lucky enough one day to find someone who actually cares about me like the girl I let go because of her, I lost someone who truly cared about me for someone who didn’t and I just wish I can get another chance and not lose it I’d be super grateful before it’s too late for me
I'm so sorry that you went through that I hope you will find love and happiness
Sorry brother. I really am. Wake up early and fight. Have a difficult physical activity to start the day. Have a Rocky moment.
Find a job that will teach you how to love others again. Special needs and schools did it for me.
Leave the people who succumb to the evil in their hearts in God's hands and use all your will to fight above the destruction that they cause on you and other innocents by becoming truly humble, truly loving, truly innocent and good again.
Characters like Bill are real warnings of what you can become if you let selfish people win. If we share any of these characters traits, we gotta meditate upon them, and systematically weed them out together. I'll pray for you man.
@@2c2bpolitics-ce-gate3-4 nice to hear that
Lenore is the personification of those who don’t love to love. Just to get what she wants and screw the people she is with.
The devastation she lays on Bill is so long lasting.
Great analysis! So many moments I'd forgotten! This is still one of my favorite shows ever. Amazing memories. Thanks!!!
I watched reruns of this show all the time, yet I somehow never saw Lenore’s spotlight episode. I always thought she’d be a faceless figure who we only knew about via Bill’s recollections.
Someone made a Jason Kelce shirtless meme with Bill’s face saying LENORE!
I've been bill before, thank god I found my Anne Richards lol. Only think I'm proud of out of that whole ordeal was I didn't get to the wearing a dress stage. 😂😂
I like how a simple animated sitcom about a simple Texas family can build up such l(en)ore to have such a big reveal down the road.
Lenore is already on the cusp of losing her looks due to age. If only we would get to see eventually nobody wanting to date her or even spend time with her. As she reaches old age she’d look back on her life and realized she had a husband who loved her no matter what and she threw him away. She’d probably die sad and alone. Sorry if I got too dark there…..
Quothe the Raven said: “Eat My Shorts”
I didnt know how dark this show kinda is with its characters e.g hanks childhood and bill, i feel bad for both of them.
It'd also entirely possible she was remembering stealing someone else's Homecoming King/date.
She's definitely the type to mess around on other people's relationships.
14:15 - 14:21
Imagin this clip edited with a fart.
Lenore was acting like he farted in her face
I liked Bill in season one when he wasn't a totally broken buffoon
Lenores knockoff Bill looks like he'd hang out with that TEMU hank from the episode they meet at the hardware store and become besties
Uk what I just noticed….. there are alot of really messed up women in this show !! Leanne , Lenore , sometimes Peggy , the girl that pumped and dumped boomhauer , the crazy girl Debbie that was buck’s mistress that unalived herself by accident in a dumpster the list goes on !!!
smurf from animal kingdom played bill wife i did not kno that
She’s certainly in the running for biggest villain. John Redcorn is hot on her heels though.
Lenore is a terrible person as proven when the viewers FINALLY get to see her only when Bill gets close to someone with power. THAT should tell you just enough of the type of person she is which makes it so sad that Bill was pulled into that type of relationship and never fully recovered from it.
And let's just say that Bill PRETENDING to be Lenor was doing her too good. She made her out to be such a nice person....when we know otherwise. And I can only imagine how uncomfortable it was hearing the two fight, considering that Lenore would have been the instigator in a lot of those confrontations.
11:05 I legit always wondered if that was Lenore's own date and seeing that he looks like Billl, that maybe she had a type. That or maybe she's thinking that like Bill, she could take advantage of him.
Possibly both
@@squirreltactics Yeah, could be both
I’ll give you a better one sir.
Peggy was being schooled by her mother on making cherry pie (when Hank had mono) while Peggy and Hank were high school students in Arlen, Texas. But in a future episode (the Montana cattle drive), Peggy admits her mother has lived on the Montana Ranch her entire life and would never leave it, and Peggy grew up on that ranch).
I think the entire timeline of the original show is off, everyone concludes in happened in a year based on To Sirloin with Love because they explicitly stated that but there are at least 3 Christmas episodes in the show
real KOTH fans know Psycho Mantis is the villain tormenting Bill with his memories of Lenore
Lenore’s life goal. Tear down her ex husband which is cruel