Triumph Rocket III R vs Ducati Diavel 1260 S | Drag Race
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ต.ค. 2021
- We're back on the runway for some straightline fun. This time we've got a couple of heavyweights, the Triumph Rocket III R and the Ducati Diavel 1260 S. We want to find out which one will get you to your cruising destination quickest, as long as it's straight down a runway! 😂
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Great to see you doing CarWow but for bikes - DEFINITELY want more of these! Plus 0-60, 1/4 mile times and brake tests please 😀
Ultimately pointless and tedious
It's interesting to see the shootout between manufacturers, but in the real world the likelihood in getting two identical people in weight and talent to face off in a real world environment is going to be very rare. So the determining factor between bikes in the real world is mostly down to rider talent (between similar classes of bikes, that is).
this stupid drag race, another stupid US test no one needs!!
@@Ezekiel903 American test? Lol how is a 1/4 mile run a useless test? If very interested how you see this as useless when it comes to comparing bikes?
@@BN1960 Don't watch It then instead of crying that you don't like It.
The Rocket from the factory will only give you approximately 60% throttle when you are wide open throttle! The ecu also restricts throttle positions throughout the rev range. Fortunately, we are now able to access the ecu and remove the throttle restrictions which moves our engine hp from 165 to around 200. The thing is so powerful, it spins the tire on hard accelerations and gear changes. It becomes scary quick, thus the phrase "awakening the sleeping giant"!
Bla Bla Bla...
Where we can “upgrade “ maps ?
Well. The Diavel remains better and faster.
and voids the warranty, of course!
Where can one get this tune?
I think the extra 60kg holds back the Rocket. That Diavel is too cool.
I think the limiting holds back the Triumph.
you think
@@thefuture8173 It is a reasonable supposition, based on the fact that the previous models of the Rocket was restricted in first and second gear. Logically this has continued. However without returning the Rocket to full tune we don't know exactly how well it would perform. Ergo I "think" that the extra weight of the Triumph would be more than negated by removing the restriction.
I personally know a driver of the Rocket that had the restriction removed with a tune. He says it's hard to handle now and on a wet runway it's impossible 😁
Diavel still doesn't look nearly as Classic as the rocket. Looks too plasticy
More of these brotherly ride offs thanks 😁.
I have a 22 plate rocket 3R and it puts a smile on my face every time I ride it. Loved the head to head test guys great video. 😎😎😎
"Amazing how close they are" Ducati proceeds to walk away from the Rocket every time LOL
They were constantly bouncing off the rev limiter on the triumph. Poor old Rocket needs a quickshifter and someone actually prepared to change gears
@@ThiefOfNavarre Or slip shifting. Once you hit just below the 6k, it wants to bang into place. Slip shift and ride unhindered. Once you've had this bike for a while, it's butter to hit it right on point every time...
@@ThiefOfNavarre Which is really kind of funny, because you'd think they would have taken several rides, and tried to dial in these things, before dragging them. But I guess they wanted to capture their genuine initial reactions.
Diavel is a surprisingly capable bike on the road but neither of them are my cup of tea. Not surprised the Diavel is comfortably faster
I was given a Diavel as a loaner bike(it was their demo)when my Panigale V4 S was getting serviced and I was impressed how well that bike handled. I though it would be like riding a pumpkin loaded with cement, but it handled really well and I was asked more questions about the bike then my Panigale. It wouldn't be a bad bike to commute on or a chill ride through some sweepers...I was surprised.
Take note Visordown, this is how to do a proper head to head test. I would still take the Triumph, looks so much nicer.
Think we need to see more Northover bros testing on the channel 👍👍
Cheers, looks like a series coming!
@@BikeWorldTVshow Excellent 👍👍
@@BikeWorldTVshow Yeah if you can stand your brother another time, have them over again! It was fun. :)
Chip the Triumph to remove the limiting and win/win
Likely more reliable too. That 2.5L is so under stressed
This guy is the only reviewer I trust for proper launches. Great rider.
Cheers, we'll let him know...
I've been waiting for this comparison. Thank You.
Both are amazing bikes. Pretty different in the engineering department and how they feel in person. Can't go wrong with both
Never ridden a Diavel so I can't comment on how that rides, but I rest rode one of the Rockets a couple of months ago and my god it nearly ripped my arms off when I gave it the beans. I am used to riding Harleys and other big displacement bikes but the Triumph was truly something else...
Having sat on both, the Diavel felt better to me as a 5'8" rider because I could flat-foot it comfortably. I had to reach a bit on the Triumph. You can also feel that weight different when tilting the bikes.
really? Im 5´11´´ and I always thought the bike was huge, so if you can sit comfortably so can I :D
@@sofarsogod Depends on inseam height, how much your weight compresses the suspensions, and how high your boots are, too ;)
Wow the Ducati’s mirrors fold in automatically when you launch!
Crap design
I don't what's with the ducati and crappy mirrors all of their bikes are top quality stuff but mirror are always plastic and cheap garbage.
@@tpartridge10 happens to me all the time.even with locktight, they eventually fly back
@@Fearless154 the mirrors on my supersport s are just fine…
@@Zwiebel2509 got the supersport 950s and it's quite similiar to your bike. Let's pretend that the mirrors don't vibrate to a point where they are pretty much unusable. Other than that i love the bike.
Ducati Diavel 1260 S owner here. And I want to add a Triumph Rocket III to my garage! (especially that all black GT one). Great show. I'm glad you did the roll on tests. Makes me want a Rocket even more now.
I got the rocket gt its an awesome bike you, ll love it 🚀
More of this please. Love both of them.
Excellent video thanks 👍🏻👍🏻
Would like to see the new Speed Twin and the previous model 🤞🏻
FYI, the Triumph has a torque limiter in 1st - 3rd gear and a horsepower limiter in 5th and 6th built into the ECU out of the factory. This needs to be bypassed with a Power Commander and ECU flash to get the Rocket 3 to actually ride to spec.
I'd be interested in seeing this re-done after an ECU flash.
There is another point, also note in the video that the rocket 3r is in Rider mode, from the factory this mode is configured to be less powerful than the sport mode, at least mine my here in Brazil when I bought the Rider mode came with the "meek" maps
The diavel might actually be quicker when riden hard, but on a road when you just get that urge to wack the throttle for a moment the rocket is going to feel more satisfying. That instant torque is addicting in quick hits.
the Rocket feels like a Truck compare to the Diavel on twisty Roads .I dont see that much Sense in the Rocket.Fun is not only a stright Line😎
The rocket is a big bike like the Münch Mammut, the CBX and the Z1300 were.
It is fun to ride these bikes through the twisties though it is different than on a sports bike like the Diavel is.
@@wolfgangsimon1509 I agree with you sommeone that likes that tapete of Bikes will gonna buy.Acctually I am not surprise about this Race,eaven I though the Rocket will be not that much behind in a Drag Race,but I was confident that the Diavel will be faster.And its clear acceleretion out of Corners the Diavel is better Braking Performance is better.I still think the Diavel is in his own Legue in this Cruiser Class if we look on the Performance figures.
@@johnnyblaze1372 oh I personally love a bike that you can dip real deep into turns. I just think if that's what you want why not just buy a powerful naked bike instead. To me the diavel feels less like a cruiser and more like a compromised sport bike so I personally don't see the point. The triumph knows it's not a sport bike and just gives you pure muscle grunt. It's like the turbo diesel pick up truck of motorcycles. Not exactly meant to whip around turns and really isn't actually that fast, but still satisfying getting all the torque.
I can't afford either though so it doesn't really matter lol. If I had that sort of money I'd probably be on a super duke anyways. 😆
@@someguyontheinternet7165 I allrady has Two superbikes and a Hyper Naked.I dont see me on any of those bikes.Specially not on big Touring Bikes like GS and equal Bikes.And eaven not this tapete of Bikes like Diavel or Triumph.Probablly if I wont a Cruiser than have to be a Cruiser with litlle Sport Performance and in this Competition is only the Diavel wich gonna catch mi up.But onessly I will Stück with my Hyper Nakeds and Sports Bikes at least a hat 60 years😎eaven than I will be on Sportsbikes if I am fit enough😎
I love my rocket, the feel of it and the layout is beautiful.
140mph+ on a naked bike is hard work! I wasn’t really a fan of this class of bikes when younger.. but now I’m old and crusty they appeal more and more. Would like to try the Diavel
Something different : How many years would you need to go back with a "showroom superbike" of today and win a BSB race ? My guess is around 10 years ago :) Good video's, thanks for sharing.
Very good question , got me thinking now.
Ron Haslam entered a race on a Honda from dealership, stock mirrors, indicators & number plate. Early 80s kept up with front riders.
We’re you using the “DPL” control on the Diavel? Also, when the wheel popped up did you have to let off the throttle or did the wheelie control take over and correct that?
Rear brake takes care of that. It's way faster to launch with wheelie control turned off, it's too intrusive
Great fun. Love these videos !!
Bonkers comparison! Great video guys!
Great stuff. Would love to see a Multi V4 against the outgoing Multi 1260S
How about the Indian FTR vs the New Harley Sporter? Different bikes but kinda similar concept in that they're both modern liquid-cooled American V-Twins.
American Vtwins !!!
No body cares
SMH 🤦
@@tnelliott2447 yeah, when i hear the word Harley i associate it with beer gut boomers somehow
Because they’re rubbish
Great video guys. From Australia, I own a X Diavel and my brother has a rocket 3. there are no comparison video's of these two in English anywhere. We haven't had a race and often wondered if the weight of the rocket would bring it back to the Ducati and you have answered it, thanks. On our rides I have been surprised how well the rocket handles twisties, for a long heavy bike, goes as well as the Ducati. Both are great bikes.
becoming one of the best bike shows on the tubes !
That was great, looked like a load of fun, both bikes. Be interesting to see if short shifting the R3 like you do a hot Harley when drag racing made much difference. Every time you hit the limiter you lose off your ET, and I could hear a fair bit of that going on. Short Shift may be the key!
I think you're right. Technically the rocket is the quickest thing you can currently buy for 0-62 speed (2.7 seconds) so if it wasn't constantly bouncing off the limiter it might have a slightly easier time of things. There is an optional assisted quick shifter for it I believe.
@@ThiefOfNavarre 100%. Short shift, no need to go anywhere near the limiter. I cringed every time he hit it, there's up to a bike length every time!
People were talking about how the R3 was restricted to 60% throttle from the factory via ECU.
2 gorgeous bikes! The Diavel is on top of my wishlist. Hard to justify buying another bike, especially a $23K one. The Rocket III looks so luxurious.
Did you try any runs with the Diavel's launch controls? Also, what setting did you have the anti-wheelie on?
Really liked your review. Nice easy style and I felt part of it. Thank you
Diavel 1260 all day everyday!
I just bought an XDiavel Dark, incredible motorcycle...
Cycle Cuza! LETS GO FOR A RIIDDE
Except for the days it’s in the dealership having the problems sorted
@@ivormectin515 Except for the fact that this is not true anymore.
@@ivormectin515 what problems would that be?
Looked to me like there was too much time spent at the rev limiter on the Rocket. Shift earlier and it would be a closer race.
It's the diavel for me, every time! I have a 27" inseam at 5'10" which is really short, I can flat foot the Ducati and it's way more comfortable for an aging, arthritic body. The Duke just feels right for me, shame my bank account says different 😂
Yes
Great content ,nice rides
Liked the presentation and comparisons
Keep it up 👍
Except for a few early in the video sound glitches, this is one of the most entertaining motorcycle videos I've seen
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More of these and the editing is perfect dont change it!
The Diavel is lighter, doesn't have a shaft drive and has an engine that loves to rev to high rpm's, so not that surprising it mostly won!
Lighter and no limiter too..
Default throttle mapping for the rocket 3 is so neutered. Really needs a tune to undo the harm of the undertuning done to make Euro5. It's limited to 70% throttle even in sport mode. Get the tune that removes that nonsense limiter and the rocket is what it's supposed to be. The Diavel doesn't have limited throttle built in.
@Random-user Nah. It actually helps keep bikes developing. Otherwise we would end up with Harley syndrome. Even the best factory Harley would get hosed by the Triumph and Ducati.
Great review, I like the approach you used. Have you ever run any of these against the VMAX 1700? Interesting results there, surely.
They would get crushed by the Vmax. I own one and it's a complete beast
VMax is much heavier than the Diavel 1260. But I would like to see that race 👍🏼
Did you guys use the DPL on the Ducati? Has the triumph sum sort of Powerlaunch?
Awesome video guys! 💯
I have the 2020 rocket 3r. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. I love the bike.
Awesome vid!
You guys present well also.
Co-op vids on the horizon?
👍🏻👍🏻
If you were to blend a rocket 3 with a hyabusa, what bike would that be?
Interesting matchup. I had an original Diavel, a 2014 Rocket III, 1260 Diavel with a quickshifter, 2022 Rocket 3 R, and a lot more bikes with 12 still in the garage. In pure acceleration stock, I agree with the results here but only the roll on race really helps tell the story. A quick shifter on the R3 would help it a fair amount. What I love about the Rocket is the incredible grunt it has regardless of RPM. To actually have the Diavel pull on the R3, the revs have to be pretty high.
The R3 is so much smoother than the Diavel. The motor always feels like it is loafing along. I rode an R3 with just a tune, and it was amazing how much quicker it was. Supposedly an easy 25HP gain at the wheel and it felt like it. It revved out higher and it apparently you actually got full throttle in all gears. For less than a grand, you can transform the R3 and it was easily quicker than my XDiavel.
The are both fun bikes but I'll keep the Rocket over the Diavel. I like it better for 95% of the riding I do. Running costs are far lower. None of the horrendous Ducati maintenance costs. It doesn't car what gear you are in. Add a passenger, it doesn't really seem to care. It impacts the performance far less, which is also true if you are a bigger rider as well. The R3 that came out in 2020 is so much better than the previous one that I'd never consider the earlier models but appreciate what they started. I did keep a 1260 Multi for whenever I have an itch to ride a fast v-twin.
Enjoyed watching ✌️
Great review lads xxx
Maybe strapping a data logger on would have been good to get some numbers aswell. 0-60 etc
2.5 on my rocket. the feeling when the vvt hit is awesome.like a turbo kicking in .
Good watch and great brother partnership- one more subscriber 👍
Nice video! Try to test MT 09 vs Z900 vs GSXS 750 vs Triump 765. These are more down to earth motorcycles :)
Love my 1260S ❤️ Chris has seen it in the flesh 😜
Watching from Oak Cliff, TX ♥️
Chris, I've got an R3R and the suspension setup out of the box is crap.Worth setting it up to rider and luggage as per the book.Also I found keeping a bit of throttle mid corner helps. A man of your calibre will probably shoot me down in flames for teaching granny how to suck eggs.Really interested to see how you get on with it on the road.
That was fun 😂 - I’ve got a 2023 GT and absolutely love ❤️ it - had 2 older generation Rocket 🚀 III’s and a bunch of other bikes - nothing like a GT!
As the owner of a 2020 X Diavel S, with the Termi and upmap, as well as a few other bikes, I can tell you that the Duc is a fire breathing dragon. It’s light, snappy, fast as all out and gets looks and compliments everywhere I ride her.
And of course the XDS is the best looking of all 3 🤙🏼
Isn't overall gearing a significant factor though?
Drag race a BSB bike and a WSB bike
In a head-to-head comp of apples to oranges.
Great video, no doubt! Great bikes, no doubt!
I'm the proud [owner] of a '22 Triumph 3 R GT POWER "CRUISER". It's my Rhino on a smooth liquid-cooled turbine engine.
I'll make this brief, mates -- no disrespect. Throw some fancy full body cowhide with gear on a couple of road hoodlums, twist the throttle to the limiter and say "WOW" I'd say that's the DOPE!
Kindly, you failed to mention the uniquely identifiable difference that makes these two-premium masterpieces of machinery live at the highest echelon.
THE DRIVE TRAIN! ⚙
The thing i loved about my Pantah was the sheer grunt, from 2,500 to 9,000 revs. I am sure the acceleration is nowhere near today's machines but ample for a 40y/o
So is the Rocket still limited electronically? It sounds like it on the basis of the roll on performance. Removing the limiting would be interesting.
The Rocket is limited in both throttle and top speed electronically. Even in Sport Mode the Rocket only opens throttle to 70% with a full twist.
@@giantslug6969 sorting that out is how people I know get 200+ horsepower out of them! And they can use it. Ballistic
That was a good review. How about a comparison using the Suzuki Boulevard?
Can we get a Muscle Cruiser Retro drag race? 1980’s Honda Magna vs Yamaha Vmax.
awesome video, both of those bikes are ridiculous, i like them both but that diavel would be my choice.
YES! More drag races please!
Please do a track comparison of the two and a canyon comparison. No one has any good videos on these bikes and they're so under rated!!
Loving that Rocket. It's intriguing.
whats the real horse power on rear wheel for both ?
I like Triumph bikes and with such a big amount of torque it should be my first choice but I love the feeling of a Ducati as my first was a 916 in the early nineties.
Que configuración le colocaste a la Ducati
Great fun..or science BW ! ....torque will make something move, hp will continue that acceleration and importantly power to weight will win if both machines are about the same power.. beautiful illustration of physics Northover bros 🙂
What sucks about the Rocket is that Triumph neutered the top end from the factory. If you look at the throttle mapping on the bike, at wide open (after a 3rd gear I believe) the throttle only opens to 65% and you can feel the sudden loss of power that comes with it. Luckily there’s a tune available for free online that really wakes the bike up but voids the factory warranty. Bumps up the power up by about 23-24 horsepower up top and removes the torque and horsepower restrictions for the lower gears as well. I still think though however the Diavel would still barley carve out a win even with un restricted Rocket. I gotta try a drag race with mine after I restrict it.
Which one wakes up the most with a pipe and tune?
Pretty sure the last Rocket 3 I rode the redline was only 5,000rpm. What is the redline on this Triumph?
Classic bike world awesomeness....I would like to know the rev ceiling of both bikes..????
I am pretty happy with my 2015 Honda Valkyrie ...so smooooth 😋I had 2 Yamaha Tmaxes 530.
they were a lot of fun @ the traffic lights.I don't drag race anymore with the Honda eats tires
Great fun! I’m pretty sure Triumph limits the power in first and second, only gives you full beans in 3rd and up.
Yep, pure science. 👍. Next time, call me in for some scientific work 🤣.
Well done both. I can imagine there were some smiles.
Which is fastest? FTR1200 or Harley Sportster S?
very very good review. thanks
Great video!
Quickshifter on the Rocket + short shifting and it is the winner
Was the rocket struggling for traction? Looks like maybe the bikes have significantly different rubber on the ground?
Not constantly hitting limiter would help
60 kilos is a lot, and not even twice the torque can fully make up for that. Now, I'm not sure how easy it is to mod the new Rocket, with all that fly by wire and stuff, but even at 160 horses the engine is barely tuned; the Diavel's half-size engine is considerably more peaky due to a harder tune to get the figures it has out of it. A very simple supercharger bolt-on for the older style Rockets could take them upwards of 300 horsepower, and they were still very rideable. That would definitely make up for the extra 60 kilos... :) 5-6 grand extra, to be sure, and not sure if anything is out there for the new one. Still, the Rocket power plant has hugely more headroom to tune than the Diavel, which is indeed apparently the speedier bike of the two in stock form. Great bikes too, even though I prefer the Rocket just for that tractor-like torque.
Which bike has better gas authonomy?
The Vmax is just sat there smiling, thinking "HowCute!"
Great content,
Rocket all the way ,, if you unleash the rocket , you will go out of here..
Both are great
Awesome guy's cheers 👍🏻
Now a Triumph Speed Triple 2017-19 is the correct one for me.
As for Ducati I would take the 2018- 1299 Panigale R with the Superleggera package.
While I am a genuine fan of the Triumph Speed I will always be a loyal big 4 Rice Burners rider. They just make the most reliable and reasonably priced Sport bikes and sports touring motorcycles. Either of the two bikes that I mentioned will smoke those paper weights your racing.
But what I drive will too, Kawasakis Z H-2 ! Oh my gen -1 BUSA would likely be a looking at you in my rearview mirrors as well. Both are flashed or have Healtec fuel mgmt systems .
Great job and stay up on two wheels or One if you're a squidster!😮😂
Man that Diavel hooks and books. Quickshifter makes easy work of that Rocket
I’m really struggling about which bike to get. I think the triumph seems better because of the roll on tests.
It will also scrap for a load more cash!
the rocket is a very cool bike, but it still is a lot heavier and more expensive, plus it won't even be close in the twisties, the Duc is gonna smoke it due to lighter weight and shorter wheelbase.
I own a 2019 Diavel 1260S & a 2011 Multistrada. The Diavel is a great bike and fun to ride. It handles well and is reasonably comfortable on a 3 hour ride. It needs the Ducati windscreen on it though. It really cuts down on the wind blast over 90 mph. Now the Multistrada to me is probably the best motorcycle I've ever ridden. All day comfort and crazy good in the twistys. Plus stupid fast on a roll on. I have a short V-Stream windscreen on it and it's all usable power. The Diavel not so much. For a drag race absolutely. High speed point A to B for a few hours, not so much.
If I actually want a plasticy fast bike, I'd get the H2 instead. But if I want a planetary, classic looking torque monster, absolutely one of a kind, I can only get a Rocket.
Great review
What helmet they usin?
Doesn’t matter. Any comparable bikes in a drag race and I’ll be tuned in.
What runway is that?
A Ducati Diavel (not the X version) was the gateway bike that brought me to now own a fleet of Kawasaki race bikes: 2015 ZX14R, 2016 H2 Brocks Stage 2 @284hp and 2018 ZX10RR). I recently turned 59 and the riding posture of these aggressive race bikes has become very uncomfortable for my neck. The H2 being the hardest on these aging bones. Got me looking at the new Triumph Rocket III. Kinda hate to spend money on a newer version of the Diavel I already had. Maybe I’ll just put higher positioned clip-on handlebars on the H2. Excellent video BTW. Enjoyed seeing your kid brother.
Just learned that the 250kg Energica electric bikes have similar torques to the 350kg Triumph Rocket, quite amazing. But too bad the top speed limit is pretty low.
Good to see two loving brothers together! Loved it! The junger one opted for the Ducati... must be the smarter one then!! :-)
Probably not as experienced - more likely.