Barbarians - Is This Netflix Show Historically Accurate?
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- Are the weapons and armour seen in the show Barbarians correct? Is the clothing? Are the events accurate to what we know has happened during this dramatic defeat in the German forest of Teutoburg? Let's find out.
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They actually wanted to not use stirrups, however it was impossible to get insurance without them. Thats should be really considered.
At least in most shots they tried to not make the stirrups obvious
yeah I would have retouched with CGI..
Greg Mattson that also takes a lot of money. Would you rather have the Romans wearing different types of armour, or not see stirrups?
@@slopcrusher3482 it actually doesn't cost that much now, most film companies shoot digital now, and you aren't adding something to the film, just subtracting. A full frame of CGI costs in general 5,000 to 20,000 per minute, I'd assume that just a small part of the film would be a lot less per minute. And how many minutes in the show have stirrups in them?
@@gregmattson2238 "Just Subtracting". it is hard to remove something from a movie without people immediately noticing and going "Hey what the hell is that". This is not just taking something out. you have to ensure you only remove the stirrup, you have to fix the lighting around the rider's feet, you have to make sure everything tracks properly, you have to fix a lot of stuff. this all had to be done by a team of individuals that are normally specialized. you cant just pay a guy 50 bucks per hour for a couple days, these guys make an average of 80 grand a year each, they aren't cheap. in the end they decided it wasn't worth the costs.
Regarding the polish of the helmets, that may be for theatrical purposes. A big shiny piece of metal in the middle of the shot is going to create a ton of glare for the camera. If your goal is to blind and intimidate your opponent, that's great. If you want to get a good color-balanced shot with a modern camera, dulling the steel is probably a practical necessity.
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Good point.
That is something I should have known, but didn't consider. Upvoted so Metatron sees it.
That was my thought, too. Unless you're JJ, you don't want those flares 😉.
As a photographer, i endorse this. Nothing worse than big shiny stuff glaring at random points in your picture
The funniest criticism i've heard from this series is that it doesn't uses actual Latin and ancient germanic languages
like
this is a major improvement over British Romans and you expected more?
It is a case of failled expectations. It was advertised as the most accurate historical TV show ever and these details are a valid point of criticism. Also, I honestly do not like members of Germanic tribes speaking modern German, probably because I can actually understand German. That turns it into a weird gimmick; why make the characters speak a modern language if we are going for historical accuracy? I would rather they spoke English then, otherwise it just looks silly.
As for the Latin, it does sound funny, but at least it is a more exotic language, despite the weird pronunciation, so it is not such an issue.
@@piotrpiotrowski4681 I cannot say about them using modern German. But considering that Roman soldiers came from all over the empire, I would imagine that they would all have their own funny accents when speaking Latin so that may not be too far off from reality, just as there are so many different accents of English today.
do we even know what language the Germanics spoke back then? Is it as well documented as Latin?
@@piotrpiotrowski4681 Why shouldn't they speak German? It's a German production. There are tons of English movies with people speaking English and subtitled foreigners.
@@stc3145 It is believe among historians that "American" accents more closely represent pre-19th century British accents than modern British accents.
They should do a season covering the campaigns of Germanicus
I want to see Scipio and Hannibal.
La vendetta
@@sfjlfkjsdlfkjds 'Das Nibelungenlied' is not set in any particular time period. In fact it is scattered all over the time scale. On top of that it is estimated to have been written around 1200 AD from folk memory. These folk memories were at this point from 5 to 12 centuries old. Obviously they would get severely distorted into folk tales/legends. As to the connection 'Siegfried - Arminius': This and other links to historicals events have been made by historians and other literary professionals. Laugh as much as you like but that won't illegitimize their interpretations of this story. The idea is that the dragon represents the roman army forced to march through the forest while stretched out into a long line. Originally even in Europe dragons were imagined as serpents (without limbs). Hard to prove but as good an interpretation as any other. Btw, the belief that Siegfried is copied from Sigurd is nonsensical. It was the other way around. Scandinavians could not be the progenitors of a story largely based on early Frankish history...
@@kev3d Scipio and Hannibal wouldn't be called "Barbarians"
Season 2 - Roman come back and massacre every Germanic tribe who tries to opose them.
Nothing looking back this far can ever be 100% accurate, how could it be, but the effort must be recognized. Well done in my opinion.
I'm sitting here wondering if that's the same helmet that Matt Easton is about to destroy with his pilum
Hahaha so was I
Looks exactly the same.
Probably because he got it from the same guys. From what I understood, the other helmet was shipped directly to Matt. This one, I think, is the one that he went and got.
I have a feeling stirrups on horses are for occupational health and safety (ie: insurance) reasons......
"spoiler alert for those who didn't go to school"
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Yeah.. That's probably overestimating the quality of the history classes around the world..
@@lucasraphaelpianegonda2058 No kidding
@@lucasraphaelpianegonda2058 It's probably eurocentric to assume that Battle of the Teutoburg Forest would be covered in history classes around the world.
@@MaggotDiggo1 I doubt 95% of European schools would have covered that anyway
Yeah. I was so burned by that. And I ended up catching some actual spoilers for the plot. He did warn, though, so it was my fault. XD
08:30 it's a insurance thing. They need to use them.
They could probably remove it with cgi, no?
@@andrewcheng2113 Would probably be really pricey to get it to look smooth. The other CGI in the show was pretty glaring (especially that spear throw), so I can understand why they wouldn't bother
they could hide it somehow. or even use the magical technique called "avoiding focus on stirrups".
Honestly, super shocked at how good this show was. The costuming was just awesome. Sure there's was a few details wrong, but in comparison to 99.9% of all TV about Rome... I was blown away when I turned the first episode on and saw actual Roman armor
For every minute in your Latin video I’ll send a dollar on Patreon. I know it’s nothing crazy but I love your content and I really enjoyed this show so I’m showing my support in the strange way that I do. Thank you for the awesome videos!
"Is Skyrim historically acurate?" next please
It isn't
"Is France historically accurate", Skyrim is a location. And yeah, Dragonbreak...
It's not, everything after Morrowind is actually fanfiction.
😂😂😂 o no...
Of course it is accurate....lots of arrows in knees back then. 😂
yeah bro, don't you remember the Dragon Wars?
Very correct observation and remark. The stirrup in its present form has been known since the 2nd century AD, probably manufactured and distributed by the Xiongnu Huns in Central and East Asia (first the wooden version, later the iron one). But the Hephthalites (White Huns) when settled in Europe (Athila rex Hunnorum exercitum) have not yet used it. All we know is that the Avars introduced it into the Carpathian Basin since their first invasion wave in the 6th century AD. The stirrup arrived in Western Europe only after the troops of Carlus Magnus subjugated the Avar Empire.
Awesome, thanks for the Video, Metatron. Looking forward to the next ones, and Barbaren S2
Most of the Germanic populations who fighted the Romans actually migrated to the Roman Empire and settled there. So their descendants live today in modern Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, the Benelux and the UK (Franks, Anglo-Saxons, Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Suebi etc). The Germans of Germany are those who moved later, did not fight the romans or were left behind by the bulk of their fellas
@@Ulfberth The Franks left germany and settled in The Benelux but also many went to France and gave it its name (Franks ---》 France). Many minor germanic tribes settled in France (gaul), such as the Burgundians(where the name for the region known as Burgundy comes from) etc... Also many tribes like the Goths who settled in Spain (visigoths/westgoths) and Italy (ostrogoths/eastgoths) alongside the Heruli and many others. All the Suebi left Germania and settled in Northwestern Spain and Northern portugal where they created a kingdom (the name Swabia comes from the region they had inhabited before leaving for the roman empire). The Lombards also settled in large numbers in northen italy giving the region its name. The Anglo saxons left northern germany and southern denmark and migrated to the UK, etc.
The germans are the descendants of those who remained begin, such as half of the Saxons who moved south and eastwards. Tribes who barely fought the Romans, who stayed in the interiors of Germania, not the ones the Romans confronted. Those tribes actually crossed the Rhine into the Empire where they settled massively. The Alamanni tribe moved south to present day switzerland and Baden wuttemberg areas that were under the Roman empire before the alamanni migration occured into the region and where germans were not even present in Roman times.
So the modern descendants of this tribes live actually in the former nations that were part of the Empire not in Germany proper.
“Quinctilius Varus, give me back my legions!”
...and that is how the series should have ended - not with Varus' head leaving the battleground but with it arriving in Rome and having those words shouted at it by an enraged Augustus.
Quintili Vare, legiones redde
@@julesgosnell9791 That Varus head leaving the battleground is historical reference, because Arminius cut off his head and sent it to Bohemia as a present to King Marbod of the Marcomanni.
@@syntax276 and if you continue to read Varus' Wikipedia page - "...but Marbod declined the offer and sent the head on to Rome for burial." - So, it's arrival in Rome would also be a historical reference. I don't think it would be a huge leap of imagination to suppose that it was delivered to Augustus and his words above are also documented by Suetonius. Once again, historical reference.
@@julesgosnell9791 Wikipedia? Huhu please don’t site that as a credible source. 😅
lol I lost right at the start: "I'm not going back to that forest..."
Not only did I discovered the series today, it immediately prompted a suggestion to your channel. Very much appreciated all the details and explanations. I'm myself an aficionado of the Roman Empire and the connections between several countries and cause/effect situations. Unfortunately I won't be able to patron you but already subscribed the channel and I'm looking forward to more content, apart from previous clips. Also, I did enjoyed the name you use. Until then. All the best.
I was just wondering your opinion on this series! Lo and behold! :)
Hey Metatron, I’ve been a watcher for years, and I appreciate all that you do to inform people of the history that our culture has forgotten
Stirrups were actually used way earlier in history but just not by the Romans.
Stirrups were reported to have been used in the Levant area by the Persians and what-not as early as the period of the whole Punic Wars period and China was using those as early as the start of the Han Empire.
The Romans only started to use tons of stirrups only at the end of the 5th century as they encroached ever deeper into the heart of the Levant, Anatolia and the Balkan region where horseriding was paramount to the area and cavalry was a major thing.
It helped too as when the Eastern Romans/Byzantine Empire settled in the Anatolia region of what's present-day Turkey, they had to adapt and because of their massive adaptation, they soon have a formidable cavalry force which shames the ones the Western Romans had and their Cataphracts would give the Sassanids a run for their money time and time again and that's when the Romans actually see huge usage of stirrups, possibly by the 80-200AD where it was rising in popularity.
Ty, 🤟
As far as I remember, the company behind the historical advising is also responsible for the „Schlamm-Lederson Trilogie“ (Mud-Leatherson-Trilogy), a series of songs parodizing the stereotypical image of barbarians/vikings wearing leather/fur and being covered in mud^^
From what I understand the Germans had builtup “walls” in the hills among the trees where they held the high ground while to the other side of the trail were marshes. Most of their killing was by missile weapons and the narrownessof the trail prevented the Romans from forming up in their usual formations. The secret to Roman success was their military prowess based on specific movements and formations. Here they could not. Romans were taught to fight in formation as units and not as individuals. Thus the Germans used the terrain to prevent the Romans organizing and beat them in sections. Also, it was apparently raining quite heavily throughout the battle which aided the Germans in the treed hills, made the trail slippery and impeded the Romans ability to stand fast and see and hear. I did enjoy the series. Better than most and they did try hard to make it historical.
Kudos to this vid, Metatron!...this the way to fight against fake info...for ourselves and our future generations!
I think stirrups are an insurance mandate. I vaguely remember a historic consultant once mentioning, that it's impossible to insure an actor for riding on a horse without stirrups... if that is the case it's probably preferable to have stirrups over trying to cgi them out awkwardly...
Would have been nice if the scriptwriters added a little Easteregg like, one of the Germans asking another "Was haben die R"omer jemals f"ur uns getan?"
0:00 When the trees start speaking Germanic, the legion's bard starts playing *Felix Filium* frantically:
"
Ego is not neu qui senatoris filius"
As long as there's none of that "ethnic wailing" in place of an actual score, I'm fine with it.
Yeeeees! God, I'm so sick of that!
😂🤣😂 Anything acetic, they always use The Wailers!!!!
*Celtic*
@Frieza...there is an award winning show by British television about the Celts ( available on Amazon). The bumper music is “ethnic wailing”, I.e. Singing in some Celtic language. It does sound like wailing.
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The eagle has been exactly here (where I am writing from).....but the Romans came back and took it from my ancestors.
It sounds like a really cool show, but its on Netflix, and we all know what Netflix did...
What did Netflix do??
I don't
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Oh yeah of course
My biggest gripes would be the battle, as you said it was stretched out over three days and the Romans probably felt dispair and discipline was strenous. Although no actual evidence, findings of buried money piles, scattered equipment and bodies etc, tell of an army trudging on beset on all sides and no way out. In the show there was a quick ambush and then they arrive at apparently the rest of the army in the open which just stands there, still holding their equipment. Even when the Germans stand still at the side, no one moves, not one officer gets their wits and calls to arms. And when the Germans do charge, they drop it all and charge as well....no formation, no Centurion calling his men to order. Nothing of any kind of the famous Roman discipline. It just didn't feel right, it was lazily done.
The Roman camp is my second gripe. The "pallisade" was a meter high with gaps, no outer ditch or rampart, the "outpost" was a thin extension of the main camp, the forest was 10 meters away from the "pallisade" in some places. That really bothered me and is a stark contrast to the camps they found, rectangular, ditches, etc....
And lastly, the stealing of the Aquila was way to easy. Dereliction of guard duty was punishable by death. Not saying they might not be seduced, but the guards guarding the legion's holy symbol would probably know better....let alone the two sleeping Romans who woke up and decided...no...we don't need to call out there's an enemy inside the camp. While plausible, it again felt very lazily done just to get the story moving.
I hear ya on the stirrups but productions are often required to have them since if you don't and someone gets injured or even dies insurance will not cover it
A roman face mask like the one in the series was found at the archeological dig in Kalkriese where the Varus battle took place. The actual place of the battle was only found in 1987, by Tony Clunn a former British army soldier stationed in Germany. That's an interesting story in itself, because people had tried to find the place for hundreds of years. I enjoyed the series, but could have done without the strange love triangle between Arminius, Thusnelda, and Folkwin, which is a totally fictional character. Tacitus wrote that Arminius kidnapped Thusnelda from her father Segestes ca. 14 AD, because he co-operated with the Romans. She was captured by Germanicus and brought to Rome. For me that would have been enough drama in itself.
The German Seer (or "Wölwin" would be the accurate term for the Germanic Witch of this period) "Runa" is actually not completely "inaccurate". First, the Wölwinnennen had a selection of coloures that were often worn, black, white, blues, greys, and greens are the primary colours that one could be seen wearing. Colours worn could by determined by preference, ceremony, festivals, and so on (similar to how she is depicted with a headdress at some points but not others). The point that is being made is that the Wölwinnen were extremely sacred and were always required to stand out when among the people. Secondly, As for the face paint element, something like that would also only be of a ceremonial thing, as they did interact with the people outside of ceremonies so it's in the middle on that one.
One other thing that they also go correct was the scene where Runa is shown carrying her staff, as they were regarded as "staff carriers", which was one of the ways they were identifiable. It should go without saying that a big reason they needed to be identifiable was not simply a religious, or spiritual sense, but a medicinal sense, these women were the people who provided medical care for the people, it's why so much of my family grimoires are literally just medicinal recipes to treat common ailments such as respiratory conditions, headaches, burns, rashes, infection prevention, treating a broken limb after the bone has been set and a splint has been made, even treating intestinal parasites such as worms. That was just as much as part of their lives and practices as the religious stuff. I think it would've been nice if they showcased that element during the scenes after the battle.
I always assume that stirrups are used for actor-safety and all that. Not sure if it's required from an insurance point of view, but I assume it's just a non-negotiable anachronism when it comes to filming. Sometimes wonder how far post-processing could go; perhaps painting the stirrups a certain color would let you remove them in post gracefully, but I'm not sure how involved that would be.
Another really good video..thank you
When I heard the show would be using actual latin I, as somone who grew up in/near teutoburg forest, got my hopes up (probably foolishly), they would also try something like recreating a more archaic and local type of germanic for the series... While I would have loved that, I also can see why they went for a more modern high german dialect, which wouldn't be spoken in that region until the reformation in the 16th century and nowadays. They would've probably been closer with using Beowulf-type saxon english of which documentation does exist. But I can also see the difficulty of getting an audience for that except for a handful of language nerds, especially as at least for more than hundred years now linguistic diversity within especially northern germany has completely melted down. Not a real complaint or gripe, just something I would have love to see... Even if I myself would have difficulty understanding...
Not a big fan of the show (writing wise)so far. I love the look of it though, that's nice to see good armour and colourful barbarians for a change. I really dislike the hollywoodafying of history.
Except for a few hiccups I thought the writing was fine. What was it that bothered you? Historical inaccuracies aside, I thought the story and the characters where really well done!
@@nilsolofleif8886 it seemed a bit rushed in those first few episodes. I knew what they were trying to do and where they needed to move the story to, but because we started watching from where we did I had to sort of make my own justifications for the characters actions. I think if they took the time to develop the characters histories a bit more, the story could be the same but there would be much more weight behind it.
Show us how arminius grew up and how his friends grew up. That way when arminius has to make those though decisions we feel it too.
I just watched episode 4, that has been the best so far. Because it didn't rely on the characters pasts. Excited to see where it goes :)
@@helios4753 yea i agree with that now that you say it! It would be better but it's still good as is, and I think they manage enought in the short time. If you haven't seen it all yet I won't spoil it. I think some of the character's personal conflicts are handled good, but in the wrong places at the wrong time. Like, my reaction "what? That's what you say NOW? After the shit we just did and saw?"
But with only 6 episodes they managed a whole lot. Even tho there are also a few pacing issues.
Once i rewatch it, it might be better or worse since i binged it all in one sitting haha.
Some Got fans might disagree but i like it when a show like this has a few straight forward characters. As long as they balance simple with good.
@@nilsolofleif8886 The writing was weak and had too many plot holes. The characters from the tribe were also not convincing. I think it’s because of the actors. The main female character had just one expression throughout the series. 😅 I almost stopped watching halfway through the first episode because of the manner the barbarians stole the eagle standard. It was preposterous. I hate suspension of disbelief especially in movies and shows like this. I can only take so much. Also, in the last episode, when a member of the tribe told the governor that his adopted son was planning on betraying him yet still choosing to trust him. Arminius did a great job by extricaring himself in explaining about trapping the legions but his excuse about the fake head of the thief of the eagle standard was absurd. Right then and there, he’s caught and the governor should have been more wary with him. How could the governor not? Arminius only managed to tell the truth (more like spun it) when a member of the tribe exposed his deeds and betrayal about Folkwin and his head. Weak writing and plot. Such a shame because it had great potential.
@@anja1627 I can count more than one expression on her face. Compare the scenes from where she is being forced to wedd the douchbag to when she cuts her eye to when she's making a sacrifice to wotan in the swamp. I agree that she's no Oscars actress but she is no ray Palpatine either.
Suspension of disbelief is always in shows like this, since it's fiction, it is required. But I get that you hate it when that suspension of disbelief is broken. And the eagle scene has problems indeed, ecpecially at the end when they just strolled out. Like what? Just walking in the center of the camp and no one is noticing? Ok..
I think the point of arminius telling the truth to his adoptive fathers face was to show the blind faith he has in arminius. And to show that he is not able to think critically about him. It also serves as a way for arminius to test his fathers blindness, too see if his plan was going to work, since it relies upon them trusting him.
Could it have been done better? Always. I will have to watch it again to really pick it apart. That could be fun.
the stir ups are proberly there for Insurance, legal and safety reasons
Hopefully they do a followup with Germanicus recovering 2 of the 3 Eagles
S1 was pretty fun, but s2 was such a disaster.
It was pretty sad to see them destroy the work of ths staff like that.
Personally, I use BC-AD, but most people I know use BCE-CE? Why do you use the former?
@hulladaemon I understand that, I was just curious why he did
@@GlockamoleG17 Is it really political correctness though? Or just common sense? If you're not religious, then it's rather strange to refer to something as the "year of our lord" even if you don't believe such a lord exists. I even think 'common era' works well due to how neutral it sounds, and history is best looked at with neutral eyes.
@@GlockamoleG17 "year of OUR Lord" is what Anno Domini means. If you aren't Christian, let me specify, then he isn't your lord. So my point still stands regardless.
Almost looks good enough to make me resubscribe to Netflix... Oh wait. Nvm. Cuties is still on there.
Question regarding the placement of the swords. I understand that, according to their regulations, the gladius was always worn on the right hand side of the soldier's person, regardless of whether they were left or right-handed. I've seen the swords being worn on the opposite hip of their sword hand, which means usually on the left-hand side of the solder's person.
Really enjoyed the show especially some details in the series. Like how at the meetings of the tribes one germanic leader scoffed at the romas being galled germanic. The romans refered to their neighbours in the north as celts or germanic people, not the tribes themselves. Although one thing I noticed during the battle was the complete lack of armor on the side of the germanic tribes. At least the tribe leaders and their retinues should have had some chainmail an a shield or even a helmet.
Awesome video. Loved the show
Dear metatron i have a question. What happens if a centurion dies during battle? Who takes over and leads the remaining 80 men under his command
Super shiny helmets probably would've messed with the camera exposure or something like that. Not that they couldn't have found a way to do it, but I'm guessing it was simpler to just make the helmets more matte.
The stir ups were probably a safety measure for the actors. That was also a noted inaccuracy in the 2000 film 'Gladiator,' but were installed for safety reasons as well.
Yeah I'm not sure many cavalry stunt men necessarily know how to ride without them, it seems like an aspect of training, same with lacking saddle. Maybe some do but insurance companies are picky like that, safety wise.
In Alexander the Great movie they didn't have stirrups, credit to the riders
@@TheTariqibnziyad Alexander (2004) was the most historically accurate movie about antiquity ever made
@@Giorno. yup, loved how they delved into his pshyci too, amazing movie
Right? It's no wonder that many nobles and emperors throughout history died by falling off their horses. Without stirrups I can imagine it would be much less safe getting on and off the horse.
A cool thing about roman costumes you didnt mention, the soldiers were wearing scarfs to stop the armor cutting them which we know is historically accurate
I would rather think scarfs are worn to protect the armour from rain and other elements and to keep the soldiers warm since at the time Germania was a freezing hell hole. Armour cutting its wearer seems like bad a armour smith.
@@dumitrache12 The Romans did most definitely wear scarfs to protect against their armour. It has nothing to do with bad armour smiths. Just rub a blunt piece of metal on your skin, eventually it will start to cut in.
@@dumitrache12 No, it is well known that the scarf is to protect the neck form sharp edges on that part of the armor (if any, because of quality differences), bruises or/and painful pinches.
They also had them to use as bandage if they got hurt in battle and no medic was aveilable
they also used them as pillows
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Vulpes, get the cross
@Mexican Rocks for Trump 2020 It's always worked better as a torture device than a religious Icon.
Crucifixtion time.
@Mexican Rocks for Trump 2020 Really I haven't seen him around. Last I heard they nailed him to one 1987 years ago.
@Mexican Rocks for Trump 2020 We're both a little off-topic but there is no one behind me. The metaphysical/supernatural world doesn't exist.
No stirrups, no insurance coverage from insurance company in case of riding accidents during filming. Plain as that.
That complaint is really annoying me on various channels. There is talking about historical authenticity and there is ignoring realities of the modern world. Like insurance pay or plainly that an actor might be trained in horse riding, which in our times means with a saddle, stirrups and harness so he won't be trained riding without stirrups and feel comfortable controlling a horse while acting without them.
In the same vein what stunt coordinators would do to a historian who wants to force them to use equipment that risks stunt men breaking their necks.
One can acknowledge that this is anachronistic but should also acknowledge why this is not a mistake, but an intentional necessity.
The whole time he was going on about the stirrups I was waiting for him to say "...but we can forgive this because of the safety factor--the production insurance requires stirrups for everyone but trained stunt players." Nope. Apparently he has no idea, but I guess he's a historian, not a student of the movie industry. Still, you'd think if WE know that...
Yes it is rather sad that such a problem gets in the way. I understand it, but people were able to do this process of horse riding for years, which makes me think it wouldn't be too much if a stretch to have the actors learn such a method.
@@fabulous_finn7810 It would cost more time and money to train the actors. And for a series, that's going to be much tougher to accomplish. Especially over something that most people who aren't historians are going to catch.
@@fabulous_finn7810 When the lord of the rings was being made the producers had a world wide search for men who could ride bear back, for just such resions.
Just FYI, on a film set when using horses you almost HAVE to have stirrups legally. It's a danger to the actors and the unions have deemed them necessary, so I wouldn't be too hard on them for that. It's a detail that doesn't have a huge difference in historical accuracy and makes it a LOT safer for the actors.
Thanks. I was already thinking that they used the stirrups to make the riding safer and easier for the actors, but I didn't know that it was a rule. Makes sense.
Commenting just to give this comment more attention because it deserves it.
+ no insurace wouldn't cover no damages if they havent used them.
This.
In the HBO show Rome I think there are no stirrups. They even show that Caesar gets on his horse stepping on the back of a servant.
Roman Soldier 1: "Why are we wearing 20 pounds of armor when it provides zero protection from basic weapon attacks?"
Roman Soldier 2: "More to the point, why is the government putting so much money into the labor intensive act of producing enough armor for entire armies if they provide no defense?"
"How did a simple civilian take one of our soldiers out in an unarmed tussle even though he was trained in wrestling?"
This hits even harder to a medieval knight
@@dusk6159 a knights full plate armor was extremely effective though
@@thecakecakecake8198 And that's why it's more confusing and impactful to them
That last episode when the sharp sticks hit with the same force as a ballista bolt.
The show really shines if you’re German, because it really makes the Romans seem like foreigners, the way the Germans saw them. It’s a cool way to see Romans.
I'm more convinced to believe arminius about Rome... If only he didn't forget about it in the end, cause he was right after all...
What I find ironic is that the Eagle of Rome is now the national symbol of Germany.
@@loxodoncyclotis1823 haha, they did kiss the eagle..it's fate
actually hurt to see this show as a german.
@@OkabexKurisu why? It’s German, if you watch it, watch it in the original
This show was much better than I feared. I mean Netflix has a very poor track record for this genre, but it was actually decent.
you're wrong. netflix have a lot of amazing shows of the same genre. the last kingdom, knightfall, the frontier, etc.
Poor is an understatement
@@nurval1093 Agree on The Last Kingdom, Knightfall not so much.
I think the Last Kingdom was BBC
Its actually a German Show
The face mask Arminius is wearing, was actually found and is a museum artifact. I think this is the reason it was shown.
Still doesn't change the fact it should have been polished bright enough to see your face in. Roman soldiers were trained to take great pride in the appearance of their war gear.
The mask is cool and it was found at the battle but his helmet is a bit embellished like i dont think Romans had skulls on their helmets
@@clothar23 Yea you are right. But this artifact was shown because it was found at the actual battle field.
Historians to this day do not know why this helmet was there, too.
@@tenarmurk Actually NOT that unusual. Legio V Alaudae were called the Meadowlarks and had their helmets decorated with Blue Meadowlarks on the sides. Incidentally, their tunics and shields were also blue instead of the Roman red.
"armor cut like butter..." as Shadversity said : the lightsaber syndrome
@Gustavo Octavio deCampos I think you’d enjoy „the king“ then. Loved their portrayal of medieval hand to hand combat
What kills me about light sabers is no one let's the light go past the three feet. Must be knightly fetish but you would thing Darth Vader would have taken the pin our an let the saber rip to it's max cutting and piercing and smoking 'em distance of 100 meters. Yeah, even peon me took the pin out of my shotgun to allow two extra shots!
@@fjack1588 It has a set length, and losses potency the longer it gets. Vader's saber allows him to freely choose between 1 length and a another longer length. So he already has a longer saber.
@Gustavo Octavio deCampos The King is a horrible movie, dialogue and acting is terrible and it is ridden of modern progressive sensibilities. Its battle might be more accurate but it is incredibly boring to watch. I'd take Henry V (1989) rendition of the battle of Agincourt any day over that trash.
Your description doesn't quitecapture the energy in the word *LIGHTSABAAAH!*
Any English only speakers watching Barbarians, i strongly suggest you run it in the original German and use captions. The optional English dub hurts the dramatic effect.
Now you tell me? I feel cheated now
@@danielc9967 always glad to be of service ;)
I didn't even see a dub option. Just started playing and had subtitles.
Subtitles are the only way to go. Dubs are blasphemy.
@@andrew_mb Amen
*Best* scene:
Germans before the battle: "We can't win, we're going home"
That chick: "We're gonna win, I cut my face so I must know"
Germans: "K, sounds legit, we're staying"
IKR that made me cringe so hard
@@calvin5541 why did that make you cringe?
@@reudensplasher1659 because it is stupid?
@@lewistaylor2858 but how? It's their religion and they believe that she can see the future
@@lewistaylor2858 It actually made sense since people back then was superstitious as heck.
The face mask of Arminius is actually a replica of a mask found during the excarvation. It's known that there was a shiny layer on the mask, maby even made of silver, but it might have decayed over the years or was torn of he mask, because it appeared to be valuable. The film crew might have forgotten this information from the archeologists
Worth to ay, it was found in the town of Kalkriese and can be seen in the Kalkriese Museum.
Throwback to me 10yrs ago thinking Roman statues were all white 😂
I doubt they ever knew that or talked to an archaeologist
I personally find the unpolished look pretty cool on that mask.
@@simonphoenix3789 That's probably why they left it unpolished. It looks better on film
I have been a sport extra in the ending battle. Was a fun job. Even tho 10 hours in that lorica is a Woden damned misery sometimes...
I am so envious. It must have been a blast.
how cool! can you tell me where it was filmed? Thanks!
@@henner645 The series was supposedly filmed in Budapest (probably near it)
You can say god damned you know. God is a Germanic word and has nothing to do with that desert crap.
It’s a god damned shame that people associate native things with xtians and then try to circumvent them.
But, very cool!
That must have been soaking
Love how they cast an Italian as Varus. So used to seeing Romans being played by British actors 😅.
Casting British actors as Romans (especially when they are the villains) is an American productions' custom. For example, in French movie "Druids", the character of Julius Caesar is played by Klaus Maria Brandauer who is an Austrian!
@Sjwaria Law Your joke wasn't really funny.
If this was the BBC, they would have cast IDRIS ELBA as Varus...Claiming historical accuracy to the time.
@Sjwaria Law well the empire recruited from North Africa and Middle East why would all the soldiers look southern Europeans
Yeh well, what you gonna do chap 😂
Alright so Germanicus' campaigns when? Also I'm still holding out for the hope someone one day does Ancient Roman James Bond series; Setorius.
*Ancient Roman _Connery_ Bond.
The battle of Teutoburg forest was in 9 CE, and Germanicus found the remains of the legions who died in that battle in 15 CE, so Germanicus went to Germania 5-6 years later.
I'd like to see Roman North Africa.....and no, not another Biblical movie about Jesus in Roman Palestine (where they spoke Greek as lingua franca, not Latin mind you).
That's a gem... "Spoiler alert for those who didn't go to school". It should probably rate as the best burn of the decade.
Though one could argue that there is someone watching this video who hasn't learnt it yet in school lol.
Because a school in Argentina is gonna teach about a battle in Germany. sure bro
It's funny how a tv-show goes to so great lengths to be, say 95%, historically accurate - and then just intentionally really fuck up the remaining 5% (like cutting through armor). I cannot grasp why they would do that.
Fanrik I think they fall to the temptation of using such devices to deliver clear messages. Like in action movies, when people get shot and die instantly, or pass out by a single punch. The message is "he's dead". Similarly , in medieval themed battles the most realistic way would be to have the soldiers fight HEMA style and die form infected wounds several days later but a) doesn't "look cool" for the (uneducated) audience
b) takes to long to deliver the message: "he is dead".
Soooo: swords cut through metal plate because is what people are used to :'(
First 5 episodes i only saw armored people getting sliced in the most vulnerable parts and no armor piercing just yet
@@rapidvetD Even in the final battle most of the detailed kills are cutting throats or stabbing under the arms. People like to complain
@@jamie_d0g978 someone said its harder to do thrusts than cuts when doing stunts and with the cgi thing i think its way less work for the tech dudes plus its saves more budget idk. in the show i saw less of those armor cutting swords than any other shows i've watched so far
@@rapidvetD ultimately it does come down to budget, and time, I would add "sex sells" but that technically falls under budget (marketing and potential profit).
*My main gripe about the series is the actual events leading to the battle itself. The series presented the ambush like it happened for a couple of hours instead of a methodical 3 day massacre for the Germanic tribes. Wouldve been awesome if the ambush was presented as a 3 day struggle for survival for the doomed Romans to the point that youd feel sympathetic towards them as the series presented the Romans as the antagonists.*
in my opinion the roman soldiers seemed to be portrayed as inferior fighters which for the most part kind of irked me,yes you see a few kills for the romans ,but it would have been atlot more instense in reality i would say.
budget, you want more pay them more, shit is not free
They could have stretch the episodes up to 10 if they really made the battle long but yeah it seems they don't have enough budget to portray more episodes.
@@ahronsumar5075 well thats normal since the winning side has always plot armor. its like comparing it with star wars and its storm troopers. Maybe in Barbarians season 2 when Germanicus delivers a Roman Blitzkrieg into Germania we would see Legionarii besting almost all of Germanic warriors
@@sephiroaone-of-nine101 Muh budget. You're boring.
8:32 you cant get actor insurance for film without them they are safety concern.
but you can edit them out, shouldn't be that hard. Or film from angles where you dont see them.
@@Moritz606 lazy productions edits cost more production money again
@@Moritz606 yes, you can edit them out. But it’s weeks of methodical hard work.
@@shmekelfreckles8157 and the moment one is not Properly edited out, you're the joke of the internet.
Oh, and Just editing it out would cause the riders to sit there, with their legs still in stir up positions, just without stir ups... leading to "They edited out the stir ups blabla" etc.
I had heard that the Romans had kept the German subjects in their territory before the rebellion “iron-starved” by taxation and confiscation, since iron implements are easily converted to sharp, pointy things. When the Germans began their night raids against Varus’s column, they were often armed with short oaken cudgels split from younger trees, thereby forming triangular-sections that could concentrate a blow against a Roman helmet or lorica armor sections into deep dents. That’s often more effectively damaging to flesh and bone than a puncture or a slash, since the iron stays dented, compressing the wound. Romans rarely fought at night, being used to resting then behind their palisaded and moated encampments. By continuing the increasingly panicked marches at night, the Romans were vulnerable to sudden rushes from the flanks by black-painted warriors with clubs and light shields into and through the marchers. Gradually, the Germans were able to arm themselves with left-behind Roman arms to be ready for the final set piece ambush battle where the remnant was trapped at the barricade at the lakeside.
Ok that opening bit about teutoburg forest actually made me audibly laugh 😂
Best opening ever... 🤣
Mike Mcgoldrick surely???
When the trees start speaking German.
@@MikeBenko Mein Wald
@@MikeBenko GUTEN TAG
Modern day plebs:
"Roman's wore mohawk helmets."
Grand Master Metatron:
"CREST HORIZONTAL"
For what I've read online (so take it with a pinch of salt) "mohawk" type of crests where used my rank and file legionaries but as decoration and on parades, not really on the battlefield. The big mistake people usually make is putting mohawk crests on centurions. Centurions used exclusively the horizontal crest to make them easier to locate on the battlefield and as a symbol of their rank
Pfft! Such things are unimportant to the effect of a TV show. The effect comes from the story. Does it show what happened or does it make people get a false understanding of the politics and economics of the era? Barbarians shows the main points I have learnt about the era, so I approve.
Aren't they both horizontal? I mean the mohawk type doesn't strike me particularly vertical. Distinction is rather between inline or perpendicular to the line of sight.
Thing is they did, about 250 years later.
its not mohawk, its a halo. it can be vertical of horizontal.
I liked the first 5 episodes but I found the last disappointing, with all the build up I was hoping for a more accurate portrayal of the battle. But still overall I liked the show and judging by how it ended there might be a season 2.
I too was disappointed, but I think this a moment where they were constraint by the flow of the narrative, limited time and possibly budget.
The battle itself could have taken 2-3 episodes if they went for true display of 3 days of battle
I feel Netflix curtailed them. They could have easily used 2-3 more episodes to build the set up more, why Arminius decides to betray Varus, why do the Germans turn openly rebellious. Another episode to cover the battle more.
A lot of this show feels rushed due to the episode count.
Yeah, I take issue with the scene where everyone just forgets to use shields or formations. Film-makers have a thing for chaotic, pell-mell battle-scenes!
@@Will-SFC06 The funniest thing about it is that both sides just charge against each other like dumbf*cks, while there is the monologue of Arminius in the background saying that keeping the ranks in check is so important.
Btw, that monologue was the worst part of the entire show.
I appreciated that, even though the Latin wasn't 100% accurate, it managed to convey the conversational and casual sound fo Latin. So often the church style of stiff rigid Latin is what people associate with it. I liked that touch.
Church latin isn't classical latin, people 2000 years ago didn't speak like the Pope or whatever
My personal pet peeve is that some of the characters pronounced Varus as "Vawus" when it should be more like "Warus"
A mí me sonó muy italiano el acento.
There is liturgic latin and vulgar latin. Completelly different languages.
While in church the language didn't change, the vulgar changed as much as today we have different languages very different, all of them steaming from latin.
Agree. Nothing ruins Latin like Catholicism. 👍🏻
When the german dude who spat on the standard didnt get crucified i was dissapointed. He wouldnt have gotten off so easy. It also feels like one of these modern series who treats the audience like children. “These guya are assholes. Hate them. This guys are the good guys, relate to them”. This is why the HBO Rome is the best. All characters have vile character flaws and disgusting traits yet you love them.
You didn't pay attention then, every character had good and bad traits, it's just shown in a more subtle way. Also the series was too short to fully grow each character.
Man I miss Rome I think it's due time I rewatch the 2 series box set absolutely fantastic show.
What do you expect German miniseries about how Romans got whooped by Germanic tribes.
I agree misere nobis, it was in some ways over simplified. But as pointed out they had a limited time frame. The barbarian were very basic even though we know tribes bordering roman land wernt savages so to say. Also the main female lead caused all the issues. She is never held acountable that she assaulted the roman standard and caused the whole chain of events. Any way it was enjoyable but there was a definite narrative
The battle seemd rather small and insignificent. I'm not complaining about a lack of stand-ins or CGI. More on how everybody behaved. It felt more like a minor first victory that got their spirits up. I happened and was over.
I really prefer films like The Eagle or Legion - not accurate! BUT so much more effective when it comes to depicting the dread and otherworldliness the invaders are facing.
Personally, I had hoped for a journey like Heart Of Darkness / Apocalypse Now.
This was a bland and unemotional clusterfuck.
Funny thing about Arminius is that no one seems to know what the heck he was trying to do: his family disowned him because they wanted to be Roman clients, the Germans killed him because he seemed over ambitious, and most Germans traded with Rome, so being involved with him would always be a problem no matter what.
He's quite the benedict arnold. Very complicated motivations.
When in doubt, assume he wanted to have power. In this case this might be the control over his and neighbouring tribes with the knowledge of Roman strategy and tactics.
It might be a bit of a stretch to paint him as a "patriot" since, while the Germanic tribes had a sense of identity, it wasn't on such a national level like the Romans, but more tribal. There was a lot of infighting, the fact they mostly raided Romans seems to be owed to the fact that there was simply better loot to be had compared to fighting other Germanic tribes.
At least he archieved a form of Immortality
Most warriors of the Germanic tribes of nort and middle germany followed him as military leader, so his acceptance was bigger than you describe here. He was no outlaw in the cherusci society but a nobleman with good relations to rome.
@@couchpotatoe91 The Romans sort of projected their national identity on other groups (They saw the tribes as all being part of the ''Germanic'' people).
So maybe Arminius was more ''patriotic'' than other Germans; because he had the ''Rome vs Germans'' idea in his head due to his upbringing.
imagine being the guy who is tasked with capturing those exotic animals for the games lol better get paid well
I thought about that aswell. I reckon they used slaves for that or like "professionals" who were paid well?
The Giraffes you sold me wouldn't mate
Shouldn't be much different than how it would be done in modern times (in the absence of tranquilizers). You really only need sticks and nets, and isolate an animal to capture it. You're not doing it with your bare hands.
Got any lions? Nah fresh out but I got a pissed off boar and thirty lemurs.
"Should I say 'spoiler alert'??
I mean, this is history..."
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You're the best, The Metatron!!
I was expecting them to show the slow march to ruin of the legions, the final battle happened to quick. I feel they missed the essence of the Teutoburg forest battles. But they did set up what comes next for Arminius.
The end battle felt like they ran out of money tbh! Still enjoyed the series for the costumes and locations, the fighting was sadly a fantasy cliché
@@Moritz606 well its what it comes down shit ain't free
EXACTLY...it was several skirmishes and two battles over the course of almost 4 days...it was a series you would have thought they could portray that part better :(
@@Moritz606 thing is, movies and tv series are rarely ever shot in the order it is viewed. They shoot all the scenes taking place in the same location at one time. So it could very well be that this battle was the very first thing they filmed. Could also be the last, I dont know.
It was compressed and I don't know why.
As long as the Romans being portrayed are at least attempting to speak Latin instead of using British English, this show already wins me over.
I'm just glad their wearing decent armour for once and not leather straps or coats like they did in that Rome rise and fall of an Empire show on the history channel years back.
What are you talking about?! ALL Roman's had British accents! TV told me so. Seriously though, be glad they didn't use an American accent. One name: Channing Tatum: th-cam.com/video/3PKNvIocm9w/w-d-xo.html
Please someone remind me, on who's side did Xena fight in this battle?
All I heard her say was: "AEI-AEI-AEI-AEI-LI-LI-LI!"
The stirrups were probably used for security/insurance reasons, as to not need to train the actors in riding without stirrups
They should have added a disclaimer at the start: "Any and all historical inaccuracies are entirely the fault of the actors' union"
Though I understand what you mean, since thought has crossed my mind aswell, Iwould not say the Romans were depicted as "evil". Metellus was clearly arranged as an antagonist, as was Varus, but both had moments of "humanity". I explained the difference in portrayal of the "Germanics" and the Romans by two things: One, the PoV is clearly on the Germanic side, and for a compelling story of this sort you need antagonists. Two, the Romans were an occupying force. These are not civilians, these are not even soldiers in their (semi-)permanent forts, these are the soldiers of an expanding empire on campaign, sent to subjugate a sometimes friendly, sometimes unruly and sometimes outright hostile populace. They're sent to collect tribute und establish a more direct form of rule, and I do not doubt - given Varus' ultimate destiny - that they weren't always the most careful and understanding of rulers.
I mean, Arminius kinda fucked up explaining the Tribes' views on execution, but... yeah... pommel-bashing a kid? _not_ very "hearts and minds" on that one...
Romaboos be like
I liked Metellus. He was pretty bad ass and yes, he did have a moment of humanity. Too bad, Arminius betrayed him.
@@seand.g423 Napoleon's marshalls in Iberia committed the same mistakes 1800 years later so idiotic commanders will always exist.
This chap knows his stuff. Pronunciation of the words perfectly. You can tell his family are Italian. 👍🏻🇬🇧
Lol he's Italian himself
@@leandrog2785 I didn’t know mate. I thought by his accent he was from London. But his ancestry’s Italian.
@@300leothelion IIRC he lived in London. There's a video where he talks at length about his language skills and where he lived (which includes Japan), but i watched it a long time ago and i don't even remember the title or subject.
He's Germanic. If you want to see real Romans, look up terenetius neo or the Pompeii portrait of Achilles. Or the Pompeii portrait of Mars as a reference
@300leothelion he is not english, he's 100% italian
I don't even speak Italian but I understood that one sentence perfectly, speaking any romance language really fuckin helps I guess
You realize that nearly every European language was influenced by Latin You don't need to be a Romance speaker to understand what the Romans were saying. Heck even the Nahautl speakers have Latin(Roman Catholic Church) origin words in their vocab today. Altough if you are an Iberian Romance speaker, you could understand some sentences in 'Al Hayba' (2017 Drama) .
@@robroux5059 I know, I speak Spanish and german as my mother tongues but Im also fairly fluent in portuguese, french and guaraní (and english, duh). Speaking any language makes it easier for you to understand whats going on on any other similar language, like italian or dutch for example. Im right now looking to learn arabic or turkish but I cant really decide between the two, turkish is probably more useful but arabic is going to be easier due to many similarties between spanish and arabic vocab.
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@@robroux5059 that is a massive exaggeration, just because some can do it doesn't mean all can.
The vast majority of Spanish speakers can't even understand portuguese and you expect that a Russian will understand latin
@@garciagar64 its not difficult really, incredibly simple gramatic and structure like english. The only difficult part is pronouncing it
That Centurion's helmet look like his mom bought it for him, like a couple sizes too large for when he grows up.
:D Conehead!
To be fair, the equipment in this show was the best I've ever seen on film. Was it perfect no.
Maybe she did... 😉
He'll grow into it 😂😂
15:03 She stabbed the guy into the neck. Just finished watching the last episode, so I'm pretty sure of it. So, she didn't pierce the armor, she bypassed it.
But in the final battle of the show they cut through it like butter
She did stab that dude in the neck, but I'd more so take issue with Arminius's kill around 28:15 of episode 6
Last time I was so early the Roman empire was still around
When the trees start speaking German
-reading stirrups: you can't get insurance for your actors without stirrups.
So they don't really have a choice if they wanted to use them or not
It's only in a couple of scenes, they could've easily CGI'ed the stirrups out. Or change the camera angle so the feet aren't visible.
@@SithLord2066 That's easy to say. VFX work is tightly scheduled and no one has the time to work on an irrelevant detail that 99% of the audience won't even notice.
Fun fact: Several roman historians have apparently scolded Varus for commiting suicide in their chronicles, calling it cowardice and claiming that he did so to avoid having to answer for his failure and the loss of his legions to the roman people and the emperor (and ignoring the fact that he likely wouldn't have survived the battle either way and even if he did, he probably wouldn't have made it back to rome in one piece).
But every roman commander who failed hard either died in battle or committed suicide with maybe varro as an exemption but cannae is a whole other honeypot
Romans were not gentle on failure.
@@TheodoreMinick nobody is gentle on failure, it always is unnacepatble
Varus made it back to Rome, in six bags of body parts, delivered by the few legionnaires the Germans allowed to live, with a message for the emperor "Try that veni, vidi, vici shit again and this is what happens, Schweinehunde!"
@@alexmag342 not it's not always. The ancient greeks were more forgiving with failures, who saw it more as good people who just happened to stumble into human errors. This is why we have many tragic heroes in greek myths
I like the look of the Romans that is depicted in the show.
LPT: c-t-r-l is pronounced "control"
Yes, but c-t-r-l is much funnier
Homer pronounces it “catarl.”
Homer is never wrong!
2:19 Missed the perfect oppertunity to say "copy pasta" and you just let it slip like that. Incredibilis.
I really wish they would show the Roman retaliations for the Battle of Teutoburg Forest.... Because this gave the illusion, just like Crassus' defeat at Carrhae, that the Roman's were "helpless" and just took this defeat on the chin.....
Ok give them a couple million or more and boom, what don't have the money for something so big..ahh well we can all dream
Exactly, Arminius and many of the Cherusci warlords were killed in a battle a few years later by the Romans.
@@alexdobma4694 Wasn't Arminius backstabed after countless defeats by fearfull/jealous warlords?
@@armorking7258 My bad, yeah. He did die as a result of losing a battle, just not directly.
Could definitely be a season 2. Netflix hasn't officially ordered it yet but it's a very popular show.
They knew that the stir ups was wrong. They had to do the stir ups out of legal and work safety reasons. Sounds stupid but it is true.
I saw the trailer. Some of the Germans even had the "Suebian Knot" hair like the ones found in bog bodies.
But the suebians were still in the north
@@magnajota4341 didn't Julius Ceasar fought with them 50 years earlier?
@@sauromatae9728 I know that he knew about them. But I don't think he fought them. As there lived quite a bit afar from the Gaul region. They didn't settle in today's svabia until the 5th century
@@magnajota4341 what are you talking about? Ceasar surely fought Suebi led by Ariovistus. then he crossed Rhine to pursue them.
@@sauromatae9728 Yeah, you are right, it is quite a time ago that I read De Bello Gallico. However, it was only a expansion force. The bulk of Suebi still lived in todays Bohemia. They also didn't ally themselves to Arminius.
You lost me at “c t r l C and c t r l Vvvvvvvv” I’ve never heard it pronounced that way. Amazing
"How did USSR win on their side in WW 2?"
Me: "well, you take a soldier, Ctrl+C, then Ctrl+VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV...
It is a complicated issue. Military History Visualized have made several videos about this.
The Red Army became very competent, about one year into the war.
The Red Army had plenty of fuel, the Germans did not.
The Red Army was supported by the world markets and the resources of the global empire of USA and Britain.
Memes really fuck up the mainstream view of history, for sure.
"We have more men than they have bullets comrades" quote by the memes
@@martinan22 Notably, the german head of state was also an idiot. Oh yeah, why wouldn't you attack another super power you made a non-aggression treaty with when you are already at least evenly matched against your current opponents? What could possibly go wrong?
@@darthplagueis13 pretty much every german general were for the war. the plans they drew up was made by the okw. the generals wanted operation citadel while hitler did not.
this meme about hitler being the idiot and the generals being overruled is nonsense.
When I heard the first line I Latin I thought "I need a metatron video about it". Thank you man, you are the best