You are spot on. I am a US Marine and warriors fight like warriors. They train constantly to fight so when given the chance they are vicious, not panicking
'Course he does. Cuts right through lorica segmentata with his gladius like it was butter. If that's not a mars blessed son of rome, i don't know what is ^^
Hacking off heads is what usually turns me off. Hacking off a head takes a lot of energy and strength. Not to mention precision, you usually don't do it to a foe while they're still alive because they can still f**ing move away!
Yes, this, stop making veteran soldiers look like idiots. You can have them wounded or defeated (even a rank amateur can get a lucky shot in), but stop making them look like crippled epileptics who can't keep on their feet. You put it perfectly.
I think Maximus in Gladiator comes the closest to what I imagined as a professional soldier of that time. Quick, efficient, his moves almost too quick to see. Plus he's ambidextrous and keeps a level head during battle to spot openings in the enemy's movements.
I see the fight, and the impression i got was that the roman was trying not to kill the barbarian, so he just attemped to restrain him. It was an extra dificulty not contempled in the video
Veterans were extremely experienced fighters at that age I agree and had incredible confidence. Such and an example In al Yarmouk battle one Muslim veteran removed his armour dropped his shield and fought multiple Roman officers in single combats and killed them.. his name was Dhirar Ibn al Azwar. Not only that but regardless to this the leader of the Greek-Roman infantry Gregory still had the confidence to come out and challenge for a duel on the third day of the battle. Yes he died but as a veteran he fought for many minutes before the duel was lost for him.. Veterans in any army at that age weren't cowards or weak.
@@mohammadtarekhousary2157 Muslim? The Roman Empire had long fallen before Islam even came to be so which Romans are you talking about exactly? No need to answer that, I googled the battle you mentioned to find out that at least it actually was fought between muslims and the Byzantines, or Eastern Romans, but it's pretty misleading to talk about Eastern Romans as just "Romans" under a video about the classical Empire
@@houndofculann1793 right but in my Language they are all Romans. However they fought like Romans they where equipped like Romans and they had Roman Formations especially the Infantry and the Heavy cavalry formations. So Eastern Roman byzantine empire had a lot in common with the western one at least in Military's matters as they inherited it all from the Romans ( also note that the Greek Infantry Legion under Gregory was the Fifth Macadonian legion)) it was the last actual Roman Legion. I indeed didn't mean to mislead anyone i'm Syrian and know very well Roman-persian and Muslim History.
Dear Metatron, in your first video about this Netflix show "Barbarians".You said that you would "soon" make a video on the subject " Were Romans the bad guys?" as that's the way they were portrayed in the series and you wanted to test that theory. Since then I have been waiting for that video because the subject really interests me. It has passed a whole month and counting since then. I have been a long fan of yours. So please, I would really like to see that video, and I expect it to be a masterpiece as all of your videos usually are. P.S. Awesome video. Keep it up. Cheers
imo .. "who is the bad guy" is for the most part often a matter of opinion and who you ask .. At this time in history in history.. for the most part everyone had slaves and went on conquest for loot and committed war crimes by today's standards.. but you have to remember we have judge good/bad by the morality of the day .. not today's morality to know how people would seen it .. we can also judge it by today's standards.. which would most likely judge all people from that time harshly.. without consideration for the fact that was simply a harsher world in general that demanded people do harsh things.. if we were their in their time we might do the same and if they were here in our time they would probably judge us harshly too .. anyway have fun 😋
Compare it to the USA. They also wage wars everywhere, so they are bad guys (though I have to say, ironically, Trump is the first president since WWII who has not brought them new wars, apart from the "trade war"). They also rule by dirty tactics: panem et circenses (economic stimulus programs and mass media), divide et impera. Although, when it comes to technology and science, we obviously have positives in the civilian world that wouldn't be available on such a scale without them.
Plot armor and plot weapon, that's your answer. Armor works when the plot needs to, otherwise armor is just as useful in protection like thin tissue paper.
No even as good as tissue paper.. at least it could blow you nose in tissue paper armour .. but you can't even do that with their plot armour.. still that plot armour.. dose a dam good job if keeping you alive if you the main character..😋👍
The plot armor in episode 1 alone was so ridiculous. 😂 The way they stole the eagle was so cringe and dumb. I just despise lack of logic in storytelling.
It Always amuse me how they get some details very well and accurately, but when it comes to combat they just throw it out of the Window and just make the same mistakes since 1940s
What is hilarious is the interjection of feminism in any of these historical narratives passed on as fiction. There were no women warriors in the past. Anyone with half a brain can understand that the heavy equipment for long duration in combat without the burden of monthly bleeding not to mention pregnancy would have made it a fantasy. I hate lies as much as I see it in societies everywhere. Well, mostly western societies anyway.
@@uriahthehittite2309 there were women warriors in the past. Not nearly as many as men, but they did exist. Google it and don't believe every anti-feminist theory you read on the internet.
@@malafakka8530 No, not really. Most of the fiction you read and embellished by fantasy spinners have neither written nor material artifact to prove it. The so-called women "warriors" acted as a banner for a cause. A unifying symbol in world history rather than actual warriors. Myths replete in current times taken from secondary and even tertiary sources from the past cannot be taken seriously. Just imagine a woman with all the burdens of womanhood lugging a heavy shield, and an equally weighted sword or spear banging hand to hand with a man all day without real breather in actual combat doing it. It ain't gonna work and it never did even in today's technology where military studies on women acting as infantry are more prone to injury. This is why an all female unit with male support to lift the heavy burden are needed. The most women did was to be in static defense in the last century. There were no armies composed of women conquering cities and seizing kingdoms. Get off that female warrior fantasy. Feminism is an extremist movement catered to destroy the family unit and society. Women can have equal political rights but let us not pretend they are men with the same strength endowed by nature. That is BS.
I personally would love to have long hair and a nice beard... but unfortunately the women in my life would have none of it .. "When are you getting shaving/cutting it etc" until it's gone 🥺 Patriarchy my foot .. 😡
@@ndld4955 well you are a man for a reason , and the women are top of the list along with you achieving your self in life. so i don't think hair will matter in that order. You discovered what works for you/around you that's an excellent step forward.(ps just shaved my beard heh)
Yeah, aggression is a part of training even now, and would be even more important in Roman times. His response to an axe attack should be stabbing the guy several times before he even realizes what happened.
Just to clarify, "before he even realized what happened" he is referring to the responder himself, not the attacker. Although both the attacker and the responder should only know what happened after the attacker is hit.
Arminius has an excuse: Musculata has to be terrible armor to fight in. You can't twist your torso at all because it's a solid plate that covers all your bendy parts, you lose mobility in your arms because the cut out for the arms is minuscule, etc. In some ways that's why it's prestige armor. "Look at me I'm so important I can show up in armor that is extremely protective but makes it impossible for me to kill anyone. I have people for that."
Musculata is great for fighting in a phalanx - where you don't need that much mobility in the first place. Horrible for fighting one on one, as it prevents you from making full use of your body. So I don't COMPLETELY agree, as musculata was successfully used by the Greeks centuries prior to Rome, and there is a very good reason they must have continued to use it. But yes, not the best in a brawl.
13:33 It's not just the military, ppl who learn martial arts and any kind of combat techniques already know how to act. You punch a kickboxer in the street and maybe he/she would be confused at the beginning, but then he/she would stand up, made some kind of defensive guard and start beating you to death
I recently rewatched HBO series Rome. Would love to see you review it. I know it’s older and like a long Shakespeare play but this video reminds me of how they portrayed Legionnaires and veterans. They were rightly feared even by criminals because they knew how to fight and were well conditioned. Hand to hand combat is brutal and if you survived it you were pretty formidable
Inequivocal evidence when I called the police about being poisoned... I underestimated the power lvl of the ppl doing this to me. you dropped a video that day
I am German and love this series. The only two major things that were cringy to me were the too close father son relationship that Arminius had with Varus. I don’t think their relationship was like this. Also, the battle had no fire works that I know of. The face painting was over the top too. All that aside, it was a fantastic series.
4:24 it doesn't go down all the way to a modern jean's belt, but it goes down all the way to a grandpa's jean's belt :D really nice video, as always, Raph!
Super Metroid! I'm 37 now, and I remember when I got the SNES cartridge (in Europe), I think it was one of the extra large ones because of the solution magazine. Oh the feelings of accomplishment when you zip through under what was it, 2 Hours? Always loved that big head prawn boss the coolest! And just the atmosphere when you come out of your space ship, it's dreary and raining, and some thing's just not right.. Never needed lessons in strong females. I had Samus, Ripley, my mom ...
I've noticed this in a lot of barbarian vs civilized shows in the recent years (Vikings for example). The settled imperial or royal troops are always depicted as incompetent and terrible fighters compared to the ubermensch barbarians. It really just ruins the whole thing.
@@cahallo5964 That's a common notion but what actual evidence is there to support that? Roman troops and those of other medieval kingdoms weren't some peasant simply given a pointy stick and told to fight, they were trained for months and many Romans would have years of experience in war.
@@jacobcantrell82- - Roman Legionaries were well-equipped professional soldiers, especially after the Marian Reforms in 107 B.C.. The Western Roman Empire ended 350+ years before the Viking Invasions. On the other hand, most medieval armies (especially during the Viking Age) were made up largely of poorly trained peasants, armed with whatever implements they could find, led by a few well armed nobles. Any conflation of these two is definitely not supported by history. A Roman Legion would probably be more equivalent to a Late Middle Ages (14th-15th Century) army with Archers/crossbowmen, Armored Men at Arms (inexpensive armor & often thick leather & felt) & Knights (mounted & on foot) in steel armor...
@@jacobcantrell82 Its usually Romans or civilised peoples themselves making a sort of big deal of it in their records. Usually describing northern people as these frightening super men who are more beast than man. It doesn't mean that a Roman is necessarily going to be a bad fighter, but their style of warfare isn't about valorous single combat, but rather about keeping formations and following orders properly. So while they train hard, their skills won't necessarily translate to different scenarios.
@@jacobcantrell82 Because tradition, man. the northern peoples dueled and some even practiced that thing were they sent a champion instead of engaging on a big battle. I suppose the romans did that too sometimes but it wasn't their go to plan.
For some reason an experienced veteran has chosen to go into combat in his new armour that's intended more as a sign of status than the efficient and effective armour that he's used to. He takes no helmet nor a shield, since he has the musculata of an equites he could have had any of their other equipment. When Arminius fights he doesn't utilise his armour to take blows and then close and riposte with his gladius. Once he closes his opponent is essentially defenceless, much like a boxer inside the guard of another except with 50cm of pointed stabbing sword.
I loved this show. But I wish he looked more barbarian, rather than the most stereotypical Roman ever. Also good to see your hair back. I've re grown mine again, got it to my shoulders. Also I didn't know you listen to cruachan. One of my favourite bands
"People knew that armor work". This got me thinking,imagine being the first human to fight an armored opponent, it'd be like "Ha! I hit you in the chest, now you die" opponent "casualy keeps fighting with no injury at all" the guy "What the actual fuck?!"
You're a funny man, Metatron. And I always know that the content of your videos will each time teach me sth new. Keep up the good work. And no, you're definitely not over-analysing it. You're just making a point. A good one. And people like you are ever scarcer these days. (btw, I'm gonna subscribe to your channel, 'coz you're too good an entertainer)
Subscribed. Good to see someone who values realism and historically accurate details. Fiction is fine until it's all you see. Realistic sources especially in forgotten historical accounts are rare to find now and I am glad I can come to your channel as a source and to listen to someone who thinks as I do. Keep up the great work!
In the episode where they get married (5?), it looks like he is wearing jeans with a modern zipper/fly. When it zooms in, there appears to be belt loops. 🤣😂
Maybe it's because they figured out that iron armour was heavy and useless that vikings and other more warrior-like countries went for leather biker suits, then in the middle ages they figured they could add metal studs to it and so the transition was complete
@@HeadCannonPrime who would you consider a joke, the warrior with the biker look or the virgin with the shiny metal sweater? I think the answer is easy, chain mail was used by the less fearless vikings 😌
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Being a veteran and having a lot of experience of fighting in close formation (presumably with a scutum, which he does not have here) does not necessarily makes one a master duellist, those are two different things.
@@lamwen03 Ok, fair enough, that's true. Of course I wouldn't dare to defend historical accuracy of this fight, they are both acting in a pretty silly way, I just didn't find this argument, that being experienced soldier would make you at least a competent 1 vs 1 fighter compelling.
Arminius was an Equestrian, a cavalryman. No closed ranks. They did use a form of Scutum. Should have been carrying a longer sword instead of the Gladius. The way cavalry fighting worked in the classical world, they did see a lot more individual fighting.
@@jeffreyroot6300 Well, he was certainly granted the "eques" title, but in this period it was more of a title granted to a nobility, rather than a real military function so he didn't necessarily fight as a cavalryman.
Totally agree. Especially that hit what caused the wound was hilarious... It was a shaft hit, then a pull back. There were simple not enough energy to scratch the plate armor. And on the left side... Normally it would be needed just to catch the axe and stub, or cut the fingers on the shaft. In the other hand; so many wide cuts with a gladius... Why? Almost not a direct attack to stab the german. (or the other german..., whatever.) If this guy would be a professional auxillira legatus, as supposed to be, he would as soon as possible shorten the distance, to render the two handed axe almost useless and stub the opponent. Fight over, go home, there is nothing interest here.
In defense of him looking like an idiot in the fight, he is fairly bewildered, caught off guard, and more importantly he doesn't *want* to harm the guy attacking him because he's basically kin to him. They could have made him more competent in the fight and there's no excuse for the armor getting punched through like tissue paper, but I think even the most experienced soldier, when presented with the number of emotionally compromising events in short order, would be more than a bit shaken up. I mean, this happens just after: -he has to confront going back to his people -he's dealing with the turmoil of resurfaced trauma -he's conflicted with knowing his friend is in deep shit by taking the eagle -he understands the guy attacking him and doesn't want to cause him more pain
I'll make the observation that he was plot-driven to be hit in the side, so the special effects only had to show the wound as little as possible since even a tunic will cover it. Yes, an arm wound can be covered by a bandage or dressing, but the torso wound also looks worse, letting the audience see how tough Arminius is when he continues doing stuff in the series in spite of it, and leaves both arms available for use in following episodes. (Or, they had no real idea what they were doing, and someone went "hur, dur, hit to body ...")
Hey there! Great channel you’re running - thanks to you, I’ll be able to reliably explain to my son why the Roman army never adapted gladiator helmets. Speaking of whom - he also told me that the Roman army did not use battle axes in battle - with one tiny exception - the rebellion of Julius Florus and Julius Sacrovir against Rome in 21 AD. There the rebels apparently used Crupellarii gladiators in their first line, and, as they were equipped in the plate armor of the day (llorica segmentata with modifications), the gladii of the legionaries were rendered almost useless. What did go through the armor were the axes that the legionaries usually considered tools. Is it therefore so unbelievable that an axe could in fact dent the llorica musculata with more ease than a sword? Anyway, I love the detail you go into in the videos- great work, and I hope to see more awesome films from you! All the best!
I think I've said this before, and I think it's worth saying again... Seeing you play Ryse: Son of Rome and analyse it for historical accuracy (and lack thereof) would be very interesting to me. It's a *MESS* in a lot of senses, but it's also a lot of fun and gets some things very right. And whetherit's being realistic in a given moment or not, it's just cool.
Two important points to represent historical accuracy in a hollywood movie about historical battle. 1. Shield must not be used properly 2. Armour must be useless.
You are 100% right. We would expect these cinematographic slips from old works, like those in the 1930's, but not in the 21'st century! The only possible explanation is that the people involved in these shows actually don't know *OR* , even worse, they do know better but consciously decide to do it wrong. But, from my experience, they just DON'T KNOW, in ALL sectors and activities. Their local schools and their families are to be blamed for it.
@@Duke_of_Lorraine Perhaps. But I can't think of a single example where a film or tv-series became "more entertaining" because the writers opted for a historically inaccurate approach to a scene. They often cite "artistic license". But it hardly ever ensures to make their production more entertaining as a result.
also time is a factor. If you look at the movies from the 50th or even 10th...about the roman time, or mediaeval time - accuracy was not a thing. It's relatively new - due to a much more educated audience and also of course great teachers like Metatron :)
@@sevenproxies4255 Master and Commander is a good example of historical accuracy still being extremely entertaining. If it had been “hollywoodized” I think it would have ended up being a one off forgettable b list film, but due to this not being the case it’s usually considered an excellent film.
Hello Metatron... I agree with everything you say here, and i love the way you put it over. i'm a great fan of VM Manfredi, and I've read his 'wolves of Rome'. That was the first time I'd ever got into the story of Teutoburg, and i enjoyed his telling of it. I had always imagined Arminius to be a big, strapping giant of a German, who was on his way to becoming a heroic figure in Roman society. Evidently my idea of Arminius was not the same as the producers of this series. I only became aware of the betrayal motive between Arminius and Varus while watching 'Barbaren' for the 2nd time. But anyhow...yes, Arminius is a veteran, and supposedly a man skilled in combat. When I watched that fight scene, i was also quite surprised at how badly Arminius fought the German. I mean, here is this combat trained professional Roman soldier, a veteran of real combat in real battles, up against a German whose sole experience of fighting is against neighbouring German tribes. Both men might have combat experience and some training (presumably German tribes trained their young men to fight)... but Arminius level of skill would be so much higher than that of the German. yet in the scene, it looked liked Arminius was firstly taken by surprise, then being beaten to the ground, almost, then struggling to come back against his German opponent. It didn't look right at all! As you say, the rest of the series was very enjoyable, but that fight scene was really quite stupid! But then, I find fight scenes in movies these days are often at best unrealistic and at worst quite ridiculous... esp. when you have a normal physique woman fighting and beating a bigger, stronger and muscular/heavy male opponent. It's suddenly become ;the fashion' to have smaller women beating much larger men in fights... which then leads to the stupidity of the 'women not as strong as men?' query of your other video. Our culture is doing some very strange things to its perceptions of reality. Ciao Metatron!
Thank you for your video, very interesting! But, what are the evidences for the use of iron lorica musculata? From the statues I would rather imagine leather for the torso and a sort of knitted pteryges, that especially when looking at some of them that bend under the movements of the man. I was thinking on reconstructing one!
@Metatron Could you also made a video about the Battle Scene were every German warrior pierces armour as it was paper? I think it would make the victory much more earned if they show how hard it is to kill a roman legionary in full armour.
You're right about the way Arminius should be fighting. He should be in the words of one of the sergeants who took charge of the ranges :"a steely eyed deliverer of death" and not someone who panics at a lucky hit. Grazie mille!
About what you said that in the Bronze Age knew to hit around the armor. Evidence can be easily found by reading the Iliad by Homer, where in battle scene there are scores of wounds described on the arms and legs, and very few on the body itself. While striking the body, weapons are described to glide and bounce on the armor almost as if deviated by a god or another. This is clear evidence of fighters knowing to strike around the armor. Also, historians believe, a consequence of the figure 8 shield, that left part of the thigh open (Wounds on thighs in the Iliad are by far the most commonly described).
I think the reason why they make him looked panicked and incompetent while fighting at times and like an expert in other fights is because in hollywood the first idea for a method of conveying visually that the protagonist is in danger in a fight is to make it look like he is losing. Instead of having him take a hit and lose his weapon like you suggest they instead default to "if the hero looks worried and fumbling around then the audience will be worried" I don't think it's because of a lack of imagination. I think it's because either their fight choreographer is too lazy to orchestrate a believable fight between veterans or the director/creative staff are forcing them to perform the fight that way because as I said before they think it looks more dramatic. And I admit it did when I was a kid and didn't know anything about fighting. But knowledge kills enjoyment sometimes.
It's probably the latter. Director's tend to stick to well used, well known tropes instead of trying something new. But, to be fair, I think that audiences are so used to some of these tropes that if you changed things and avoided some of these common tropes, you'd lose a lot of the general audience whose only knowledge of fighting comes from movies and TV shows with their tropes.
Metatron, I 100% recommend to watch the channel of Corridor Crew about stunts and CGI in movies and series, to fill your arguments. Learning how action scenes are made and how much a good action crew (cameramen, stuntmen, choreography, screenwriters, etc) can improve a movie or series gives you understanding about how some big productions waste their money and how some people can do so much with so little. Considering things in movie fights like the thickness of a material , its weight, terrain of the fight, nature of the fighters, their stamina, skills, etc, helps the audience to believe what they are watching. I love your videos.
Did Arminius really want to kill him though? I thought he had previous relationships with most of the people in that village. So maybe his poor fighting performance stemmed from his conscience or lack of desire to kill?
If he wanted that he would have known how. As a veteran he would have known which blows are lethal and non, so he easily should have been able to cut or stab the guy's arm and disarm him. Yes he would have been taken by surprise at first since he didn't know when the guy would attack him even though he knew an attack would happen, but after that he should have mopped the floor with him.
@@matthewcooper4248 we can't know how experienced the other combatant was, so it's a bit hard to say he should have easily beaten him. But we can definitely say he shouldn't have acted like he did. And probably moped the floor with his opponent. Especially if said opponent kept trying to hit him only in the armour.
The other guy is the town's blacksmith and he's attacking with a woodcutter's axe. Maybe he has some fighting experience but definitely not a professional soldier.
@@mrkiky That's not an absolute certainty. The line between "soldier" and any other profession for a man at the time was very blurred. Especially in Germania, since their tribes didn't have "professional soldiery" to begin with. Every man who was of a fit age and constitution would be expected to partake in wars when the need arise. So this blacksmith could've been a veteran of several battles. It's hard to know just by looking at their profession.
I've got a suspicion this show, Barbarians, is actually a hit piece on the Romans. Rome has endured in the minds of Europeans for more than a thousand years as one of the greatest flowerings of European Culture and Civilisation. From what I've seen of this show the sympathy generated is all for the tribes people subjugated by the Romans.
I thought the fighting, especially the battle scenes were quite bad... But i liked the Arminius actor very much.He is so roman.And the he grows his beard a bit and his hair a bit and puts of a linna and a hus and he looks like a sophisticated germanic athaling. But most of all i loved the Actor who played Varus... he was AMAZING!
I agree. While I also think, that Barbarians is a major step up in making historical series and movies look and feel more authentic, this wound in particular was a really huge mistake that makes no sense. I only hope that in the next season, armor will work as it really does.
This is pure conjecture but I think one reason why armour doesn’t work in movies is purely down to continuity. Obviously the actors aren’t hitting one another with the weapons but if they choreographed the fight to look like they are then they would need to constantly change the actor’s costume. So for example - someone takes a spear thrust to the breastplate that doesn’t kill him then they would need to change the breastplate to one with a scratch and/or dent in it. Filming and editing that would be a monumental task.
Thank you for producing the videos that you make. Question? Where do you get your Roman Armor and weapons, particularly the Helmet, Gladius, Lorica Segmentata and chain mail. I have afew pieces but they are not of higj quality.| Thank yuo Sir.
I know exactly what you mean, Metatron. The reason (I think) is that the audience needs to be immersed. If people see something they can't understand, it takes them out of the story. You don't want your audience to think while they're watching the film, you want them to follow and understand instinctively. Sadly, this means sacrificing authenticity. The possible reason they wanted to damage the armor was to signal to the audience that Roman armor is not impervious, that it can be pierced, which makes the final battle/massacre that much more plausable. The real battle was a grinding slaughter fest that lasted for three days. That's not dramatic enough for a show like this.
I think the reason the makers went for a deep wound on the torso, instead of the arm, is due to modern medicine and how it influences the modern perception of wounds. Even if it was an ugly wound at the arm, many people in the audience would subcounsciesly go to the conclusion "At least it`s only an arm wound." and the maximum drama the makers are going for is at risk...
New trope added to the list: "Butter armor" - Your armor don't provide any protection no matter how great your armor truly is. You may cut it, slash, pierce by any melee weapon or projectile. Overused trope in movies, TV and anime. Seriously what's the point of giving them armor if it doesn't protect at all (I'm talking about tv shows)
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I don't think that you are over analysing, Raff. Just analysing. And you are quite right.
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@@metatronyt I think u are over analiging
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You are spot on. I am a US Marine and warriors fight like warriors. They train constantly to fight so when given the chance they are vicious, not panicking
'Course he does. Cuts right through lorica segmentata with his gladius like it was butter. If that's not a mars blessed son of rome, i don't know what is ^^
One does not simply puncture a lorica musculata.
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@@coffeeguyd that is correct. However it is Sean from Equilibrium.
Bruh was in the middle of replaying Metroid when he spontaneously decided to record a rant about modern media historical inaccuracies.
Relatable.
A strategic gratuitous nerd payoff.
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Metroid was the first thing I noticed after opening the video.
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What do you mean, "in the middle of"? That's just the beginning. :P
This is a big reason why I stopped watching vikings, swords going thru armor like tissue paper just really winds me up
And big reason I stopped watching anything 😂
Hacking off heads is what usually turns me off. Hacking off a head takes a lot of energy and strength. Not to mention precision, you usually don't do it to a foe while they're still alive because they can still f**ing move away!
As a 30 year veteran. I agree with every word you said.
Yes, this, stop making veteran soldiers look like idiots. You can have them wounded or defeated (even a rank amateur can get a lucky shot in), but stop making them look like crippled epileptics who can't keep on their feet. You put it perfectly.
I think Maximus in Gladiator comes the closest to what I imagined as a professional soldier of that time. Quick, efficient, his moves almost too quick to see. Plus he's ambidextrous and keeps a level head during battle to spot openings in the enemy's movements.
I see the fight, and the impression i got was that the roman was trying not to kill the barbarian, so he just attemped to restrain him. It was an extra dificulty not contempled in the video
Veterans were extremely experienced fighters at that age I agree and had incredible confidence. Such and an example In al Yarmouk battle one Muslim veteran removed his armour dropped his shield and fought multiple Roman officers in single combats and killed them.. his name was Dhirar Ibn al Azwar. Not only that but regardless to this the leader of the Greek-Roman infantry Gregory still had the confidence to come out and challenge for a duel on the third day of the battle. Yes he died but as a veteran he fought for many minutes before the duel was lost for him.. Veterans in any army at that age weren't cowards or weak.
@@mohammadtarekhousary2157 Muslim? The Roman Empire had long fallen before Islam even came to be so which Romans are you talking about exactly?
No need to answer that, I googled the battle you mentioned to find out that at least it actually was fought between muslims and the Byzantines, or Eastern Romans, but it's pretty misleading to talk about Eastern Romans as just "Romans" under a video about the classical Empire
@@houndofculann1793 right but in my Language they are all Romans. However they fought like Romans they where equipped like Romans and they had Roman Formations especially the Infantry and the Heavy cavalry formations. So Eastern Roman byzantine empire had a lot in common with the western one at least in Military's matters as they inherited it all from the Romans ( also note that the Greek Infantry Legion under Gregory was the Fifth Macadonian legion)) it was the last actual Roman Legion. I indeed didn't mean to mislead anyone i'm Syrian and know very well Roman-persian and Muslim History.
Dear Metatron, in your first video about this Netflix show "Barbarians".You said that you would "soon" make a video on the subject " Were Romans the bad guys?" as that's the way they were portrayed in the series and you wanted to test that theory. Since then I have been waiting for that video because the subject really interests me. It has passed a whole month and counting since then. I have been a long fan of yours. So please, I would really like to see that video, and I expect it to be a masterpiece as all of your videos usually are.
P.S. Awesome video. Keep it up. Cheers
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I'd say yes, but I'm biased as I'm an anti-imperialist (I'm against the idea of empires).
imo .. "who is the bad guy" is for the most part often a matter of opinion and who you ask .. At this time in history in history.. for the most part everyone had slaves and went on conquest for loot and committed war crimes by today's standards.. but you have to remember we have judge good/bad by the morality of the day .. not today's morality to know how people would seen it .. we can also judge it by today's standards.. which would most likely judge all people from that time harshly.. without consideration for the fact that was simply a harsher world in general that demanded people do harsh things.. if we were their in their time we might do the same and if they were here in our time they would probably judge us harshly too .. anyway have fun 😋
Compare it to the USA. They also wage wars everywhere, so they are bad guys (though I have to say, ironically, Trump is the first president since WWII who has not brought them new wars, apart from the "trade war"). They also rule by dirty tactics: panem et circenses (economic stimulus programs and mass media), divide et impera.
Although, when it comes to technology and science, we obviously have positives in the civilian world that wouldn't be available on such a scale without them.
@CipiRipi00 yep Kinda what i meant.. tks bro..👍 or to put it another way one man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighter 👍
Plot armor and plot weapon, that's your answer.
Armor works when the plot needs to, otherwise armor is just as useful in protection like thin tissue paper.
No even as good as tissue paper.. at least it could blow you nose in tissue paper armour .. but you can't even do that with their plot armour.. still that plot armour.. dose a dam good job if keeping you alive if you the main character..😋👍
Plot armour is the best armour.
The plot armor in episode 1 alone was so ridiculous. 😂 The way they stole the eagle was so cringe and dumb. I just despise lack of logic in storytelling.
It Always amuse me how they get some details very well and accurately, but when it comes to combat they just throw it out of the Window and just make the same mistakes since 1940s
Bad habits die hard.
Battle scenes can't last long and it has to be obvious what's happening.
What is hilarious is the interjection of feminism in any of these historical narratives passed on as fiction. There were no women warriors in the past. Anyone with half a brain can understand that the heavy equipment for long duration in combat without the burden of monthly bleeding not to mention pregnancy would have made it a fantasy. I hate lies as much as I see it in societies everywhere. Well, mostly western societies anyway.
@@uriahthehittite2309 there were women warriors in the past. Not nearly as many as men, but they did exist. Google it and don't believe every anti-feminist theory you read on the internet.
@@malafakka8530 No, not really. Most of the fiction you read and embellished by fantasy spinners have neither written nor material artifact to prove it. The so-called women "warriors" acted as a banner for a cause. A unifying symbol in world history rather than actual warriors. Myths replete in current times taken from secondary and even tertiary sources from the past cannot be taken seriously. Just imagine a woman with all the burdens of womanhood lugging a heavy shield, and an equally weighted sword or spear banging hand to hand with a man all day without real breather in actual combat doing it. It ain't gonna work and it never did even in today's technology where military studies on women acting as infantry are more prone to injury. This is why an all female unit with male support to lift the heavy burden are needed. The most women did was to be in static defense in the last century. There were no armies composed of women conquering cities and seizing kingdoms. Get off that female warrior fantasy. Feminism is an extremist movement catered to destroy the family unit and society. Women can have equal political rights but let us not pretend they are men with the same strength endowed by nature. That is BS.
I am a long hair enthusiast so I approve the hair Metatron.
Welcome
I personally would love to have long hair and a nice beard... but unfortunately the women in my life would have none of it .. "When are you getting shaving/cutting it etc" until it's gone 🥺 Patriarchy my foot .. 😡
@@ndld4955 well you are a man for a reason , and the women are top of the list along with you achieving your self in life. so i don't think hair will matter in that order. You discovered what works for you/around you that's an excellent step forward.(ps just shaved my beard heh)
I am a long hair enthusiast enthusiast so I approve your assessment of his hair Nikola.
@@ndld4955 😄😄😄👍
Yeah, aggression is a part of training even now, and would be even more important in Roman times. His response to an axe attack should be stabbing the guy several times before he even realizes what happened.
That's the major reason modern soldiers still have bayonet drills
Just to clarify, "before he even realized what happened" he is referring to the responder himself, not the attacker. Although both the attacker and the responder should only know what happened after the attacker is hit.
His sweep during the altercation was pretty legit. Thank you for shouting out The Marine Corps, SF0311/8541!
Spent most of the video trying to figure out if he was wearing a Cruachan hoodie.
Yes, Keith himself gave this to me :)
@@Weeee439 wait till you find out about the other languages he speaks
He can't be a Roman. He's not wearing leather vambraces! :)
The Vikings show next door used all the leather the production had...
You too just stop it your going to give him a headache.. 😋👍
@@rinflame44 Lol
Arminius has an excuse: Musculata has to be terrible armor to fight in. You can't twist your torso at all because it's a solid plate that covers all your bendy parts, you lose mobility in your arms because the cut out for the arms is minuscule, etc. In some ways that's why it's prestige armor. "Look at me I'm so important I can show up in armor that is extremely protective but makes it impossible for me to kill anyone. I have people for that."
Musculata is great for fighting in a phalanx - where you don't need that much mobility in the first place. Horrible for fighting one on one, as it prevents you from making full use of your body. So I don't COMPLETELY agree, as musculata was successfully used by the Greeks centuries prior to Rome, and there is a very good reason they must have continued to use it. But yes, not the best in a brawl.
13:33 It's not just the military, ppl who learn martial arts and any kind of combat techniques already know how to act. You punch a kickboxer in the street and maybe he/she would be confused at the beginning, but then he/she would stand up, made some kind of defensive guard and start beating you to death
I recently rewatched HBO series Rome. Would love to see you review it. I know it’s older and like a long Shakespeare play but this video reminds me of how they portrayed Legionnaires and veterans. They were rightly feared even by criminals because they knew how to fight and were well conditioned. Hand to hand combat is brutal and if you survived it you were pretty formidable
Single formation, you pullo!
Historical accuracy review of Samus Aran's armour when?
Bro...
If there's that many. You should really consider putting them in a playlist.
I think barbarian dude was just getting distracted by the shiny armor so he tried to hit it.
couldn't help but notice the Super Metroid in the background. the internet approves.
He paused his game to give us a video. EPIC.
Inequivocal evidence when I called the police about being poisoned... I underestimated the power lvl of the ppl doing this to me. you dropped a video that day
I am German and love this series. The only two major things that were cringy to me were the too close father son relationship that Arminius had with Varus. I don’t think their relationship was like this. Also, the battle had no fire works that I know of. The face painting was over the top too. All that aside, it was a fantastic series.
4:24 it doesn't go down all the way to a modern jean's belt, but it goes down all the way to a grandpa's jean's belt :D
really nice video, as always, Raph!
Super Metroid! I'm 37 now, and I remember when I got the SNES cartridge (in Europe), I think it was one of the extra large ones because of the solution magazine. Oh the feelings of accomplishment when you zip through under what was it, 2 Hours? Always loved that big head prawn boss the coolest! And just the atmosphere when you come out of your space ship, it's dreary and raining, and some thing's just not right..
Never needed lessons in strong females. I had Samus, Ripley, my mom ...
I read this as if Metroid was your mom and I laughed
Thank you so much for all the educational content, yesterday it helped me during Bible study! 😂
My pleasure!
I've noticed this in a lot of barbarian vs civilized shows in the recent years (Vikings for example). The settled imperial or royal troops are always depicted as incompetent and terrible fighters compared to the ubermensch barbarians. It really just ruins the whole thing.
I think most barbarians were better duelists
@@cahallo5964 That's a common notion but what actual evidence is there to support that? Roman troops and those of other medieval kingdoms weren't some peasant simply given a pointy stick and told to fight, they were trained for months and many Romans would have years of experience in war.
@@jacobcantrell82- - Roman Legionaries were well-equipped professional soldiers, especially after the Marian Reforms in 107 B.C.. The Western Roman Empire ended 350+ years before the Viking Invasions. On the other hand, most medieval armies (especially during the Viking Age) were made up largely of poorly trained peasants, armed with whatever implements they could find, led by a few well armed nobles. Any conflation of these two is definitely not supported by history. A Roman Legion would probably be more equivalent to a Late Middle Ages (14th-15th Century) army with Archers/crossbowmen, Armored Men at Arms (inexpensive armor & often thick leather & felt) & Knights (mounted & on foot) in steel armor...
@@jacobcantrell82 Its usually Romans or civilised peoples themselves making a sort of big deal of it in their records. Usually describing northern people as these frightening super men who are more beast than man.
It doesn't mean that a Roman is necessarily going to be a bad fighter, but their style of warfare isn't about valorous single combat, but rather about keeping formations and following orders properly. So while they train hard, their skills won't necessarily translate to different scenarios.
@@jacobcantrell82 Because tradition, man.
the northern peoples dueled and some even practiced that thing were they sent a champion instead of engaging on a big battle.
I suppose the romans did that too sometimes but it wasn't their go to plan.
When I watched the fight I thought to myself, damn, Metatron isn't gonna like that
For some reason an experienced veteran has chosen to go into combat in his new armour that's intended more as a sign of status than the efficient and effective armour that he's used to. He takes no helmet nor a shield, since he has the musculata of an equites he could have had any of their other equipment.
When Arminius fights he doesn't utilise his armour to take blows and then close and riposte with his gladius. Once he closes his opponent is essentially defenceless, much like a boxer inside the guard of another except with 50cm of pointed stabbing sword.
I loved this show. But I wish he looked more barbarian, rather than the most stereotypical Roman ever.
Also good to see your hair back. I've re grown mine again, got it to my shoulders.
Also I didn't know you listen to cruachan. One of my favourite bands
+1 for the Super Metroid in the background. I see you are a man of culture as well.
@starshipeleven Indeed brother. The galaxy shall be free of tyrany and we will all respect our elders!
"People knew that armor work". This got me thinking,imagine being the first human to fight an armored opponent, it'd be like "Ha! I hit you in the chest, now you die" opponent "casualy keeps fighting with no injury at all" the guy "What the actual fuck?!"
Great work! Greets from Greece
You're a funny man, Metatron. And I always know that the content of your videos will each time teach me sth new. Keep up the good work.
And no, you're definitely not over-analysing it. You're just making a point. A good one. And people like you are ever scarcer these days.
(btw, I'm gonna subscribe to your channel, 'coz you're too good an entertainer)
Thanks!
Barbarians: *Exist*
Metatron: I can milk you
(This is a joke, Metatron if you see this I am a huge fan of yours and this was only a joke )
That's a very bad joke that plays with the honesty and morals of the man you claim to be a fan of.
A communist spy claiming to be genuine while besmirching a man making a living? Who would have thunk
Subscribed. Good to see someone who values realism and historically accurate details. Fiction is fine until it's all you see. Realistic sources especially in forgotten historical accounts are rare to find now and I am glad I can come to your channel as a source and to listen to someone who thinks as I do. Keep up the great work!
In the episode where they get married (5?), it looks like he is wearing jeans with a modern zipper/fly. When it zooms in, there appears to be belt loops.
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Great hoodie! I also love Cruachan.
Maybe it's because they figured out that iron armour was heavy and useless that vikings and other more warrior-like countries went for leather biker suits, then in the middle ages they figured they could add metal studs to it and so the transition was complete
Please tell me this was a joke. Vikings wore chain mail like everybody else. The Viking biker look is total fiction.
@@HeadCannonPrime who would you consider a joke, the warrior with the biker look or the virgin with the shiny metal sweater? I think the answer is easy, chain mail was used by the less fearless vikings 😌
@@jackforester8456 The warrior with the biker look, after a quick cut to the knee from the virgin in the metal sweater.
@@szarekhthesilent2047 virgins aim for the knee, true warriors slash armours
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13:26 - Lockdown is starting to affect us all.
I wish i knew how to make gifs so i could make that clip into a meme XD
@@sarge2860 need this one
I remember when I saw the series and was like "oh no, Hollywood armor" at this scene.
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Being a veteran and having a lot of experience of fighting in close formation (presumably with a scutum, which he does not have here) does not necessarily makes one a master duellist, those are two different things.
True. But against those massive swings of that axe, a swordsman would close at the very first opportunity.
Exactly what I was thinking. He alone, surrounded by hostile people. Also, he didn't have a shield, which he probably had in battles.
@@lamwen03 Ok, fair enough, that's true. Of course I wouldn't dare to defend historical accuracy of this fight, they are both acting in a pretty silly way, I just didn't find this argument, that being experienced soldier would make you at least a competent 1 vs 1 fighter compelling.
Arminius was an Equestrian, a cavalryman. No closed ranks. They did use a form of Scutum. Should have been carrying a longer sword instead of the Gladius. The way cavalry fighting worked in the classical world, they did see a lot more individual fighting.
@@jeffreyroot6300 Well, he was certainly granted the "eques" title, but in this period it was more of a title granted to a nobility, rather than a real military function so he didn't necessarily fight as a cavalryman.
Totally agree. Especially that hit what caused the wound was hilarious... It was a shaft hit, then a pull back. There were simple not enough energy to scratch the plate armor. And on the left side... Normally it would be needed just to catch the axe and stub, or cut the fingers on the shaft.
In the other hand; so many wide cuts with a gladius... Why? Almost not a direct attack to stab the german. (or the other german..., whatever.)
If this guy would be a professional auxillira legatus, as supposed to be, he would as soon as possible shorten the distance, to render the two handed axe almost useless and stub the opponent.
Fight over, go home, there is nothing interest here.
In defense of him looking like an idiot in the fight, he is fairly bewildered, caught off guard, and more importantly he doesn't *want* to harm the guy attacking him because he's basically kin to him. They could have made him more competent in the fight and there's no excuse for the armor getting punched through like tissue paper, but I think even the most experienced soldier, when presented with the number of emotionally compromising events in short order, would be more than a bit shaken up. I mean, this happens just after:
-he has to confront going back to his people
-he's dealing with the turmoil of resurfaced trauma
-he's conflicted with knowing his friend is in deep shit by taking the eagle
-he understands the guy attacking him and doesn't want to cause him more pain
I'll make the observation that he was plot-driven to be hit in the side, so the special effects only had to show the wound as little as possible since even a tunic will cover it. Yes, an arm wound can be covered by a bandage or dressing, but the torso wound also looks worse, letting the audience see how tough Arminius is when he continues doing stuff in the series in spite of it, and leaves both arms available for use in following episodes.
(Or, they had no real idea what they were doing, and someone went "hur, dur, hit to body ...")
Safer for the actors.
flawless analysis, thanks!
I love you, i love your channel and i love your videos.
Greetings from the other side of the puddle, brother.
Thanks!
Hey there! Great channel you’re running - thanks to you, I’ll be able to reliably explain to my son why the Roman army never adapted gladiator helmets. Speaking of whom - he also told me that the Roman army did not use battle axes in battle - with one tiny exception - the rebellion of Julius Florus and Julius Sacrovir against Rome in 21 AD. There the rebels apparently used Crupellarii gladiators in their first line, and, as they were equipped in the plate armor of the day (llorica segmentata with modifications), the gladii of the legionaries were rendered almost useless. What did go through the armor were the axes that the legionaries usually considered tools. Is it therefore so unbelievable that an axe could in fact dent the llorica musculata with more ease than a sword? Anyway, I love the detail you go into in the videos- great work, and I hope to see more awesome films from you! All the best!
I love how you manage to make a whole video on just one scene. keep the work up
I think I've said this before, and I think it's worth saying again...
Seeing you play Ryse: Son of Rome and analyse it for historical accuracy (and lack thereof) would be very interesting to me. It's a *MESS* in a lot of senses, but it's also a lot of fun and gets some things very right. And whetherit's being realistic in a given moment or not, it's just cool.
Two important points to represent historical accuracy in a hollywood movie about historical battle.
1. Shield must not be used properly
2. Armour must be useless.
You are 100% right. We would expect these cinematographic slips from old works, like those in the 1930's, but not in the 21'st century! The only possible explanation is that the people involved in these shows actually don't know *OR* , even worse, they do know better but consciously decide to do it wrong. But, from my experience, they just DON'T KNOW, in ALL sectors and activities. Their local schools and their families are to be blamed for it.
I fought with Arminius during the second sand war of Crabland in 12AD and I can promise you, there's not a man I'd trust more anywhere in battle.
Absolutly right !
Is there really an inverse relationship between historical accuracy and entertainment?
butchering both at the same time is very easy.
There isnt at all. You can be historically accurate and be highly entertaining
@@Duke_of_Lorraine Perhaps.
But I can't think of a single example where a film or tv-series became "more entertaining" because the writers opted for a historically inaccurate approach to a scene.
They often cite "artistic license". But it hardly ever ensures to make their production more entertaining as a result.
also time is a factor. If you look at the movies from the 50th or even 10th...about the roman time, or mediaeval time - accuracy was not a thing. It's relatively new - due to a much more educated audience and also of course great teachers like Metatron :)
@@sevenproxies4255 Master and Commander is a good example of historical accuracy still being extremely entertaining. If it had been “hollywoodized” I think it would have ended up being a one off forgettable b list film, but due to this not being the case it’s usually considered an excellent film.
Super metroid in the background! One of the best games ever made. You have good taste my friend!
Hello Metatron... I agree with everything you say here, and i love the way you put it over. i'm a great fan of VM Manfredi, and I've read his 'wolves of Rome'. That was the first time I'd ever got into the story of Teutoburg, and i enjoyed his telling of it. I had always imagined Arminius to be a big, strapping giant of a German, who was on his way to becoming a heroic figure in Roman society. Evidently my idea of Arminius was not the same as the producers of this series. I only became aware of the betrayal motive between Arminius and Varus while watching 'Barbaren' for the 2nd time. But anyhow...yes, Arminius is a veteran, and supposedly a man skilled in combat. When I watched that fight scene, i was also quite surprised at how badly Arminius fought the German. I mean, here is this combat trained professional Roman soldier, a veteran of real combat in real battles, up against a German whose sole experience of fighting is against neighbouring German tribes. Both men might have combat experience and some training (presumably German tribes trained their young men to fight)... but Arminius level of skill would be so much higher than that of the German. yet in the scene, it looked liked Arminius was firstly taken by surprise, then being beaten to the ground, almost, then struggling to come back against his German opponent. It didn't look right at all! As you say, the rest of the series was very enjoyable, but that fight scene was really quite stupid! But then, I find fight scenes in movies these days are often at best unrealistic and at worst quite ridiculous... esp. when you have a normal physique woman fighting and beating a bigger, stronger and muscular/heavy male opponent. It's suddenly become ;the fashion' to have smaller women beating much larger men in fights... which then leads to the stupidity of the 'women not as strong as men?' query of your other video. Our culture is doing some very strange things to its perceptions of reality. Ciao Metatron!
Thank you for your video, very interesting! But, what are the evidences for the use of iron lorica musculata? From the statues I would rather imagine leather for the torso and a sort of knitted pteryges, that especially when looking at some of them that bend under the movements of the man. I was thinking on reconstructing one!
Man I love editing my videos and just putting this channel or bob ross on repeat in the background. Amazing video as always :)
@Metatron
Could you also made a video about the Battle Scene were every German warrior pierces armour as it was paper?
I think it would make the victory much more earned if they show how hard it is to kill a roman legionary in full armour.
You're right about the way Arminius should be fighting. He should be in the words of one of the sergeants who took charge of the ranges :"a steely eyed deliverer of death" and not someone who panics at a lucky hit. Grazie mille!
01:48 this village reminds me a lot that game "The Forest"
He fights like a damn barbarian!
The trouble with producers ignoring accuracies in favour of entertainment is that it’s not entertaining it’s infuriating.
About what you said that in the Bronze Age knew to hit around the armor. Evidence can be easily found by reading the Iliad by Homer, where in battle scene there are scores of wounds described on the arms and legs, and very few on the body itself. While striking the body, weapons are described to glide and bounce on the armor almost as if deviated by a god or another. This is clear evidence of fighters knowing to strike around the armor. Also, historians believe, a consequence of the figure 8 shield, that left part of the thigh open (Wounds on thighs in the Iliad are by far the most commonly described).
How is a non documentary series about Romans more accurate then the Age of samurai documentary series?! 😂
You are not over-analyzing. You are perfectly right. :D
I think the reason why they make him looked panicked and incompetent while fighting at times and like an expert in other fights is because in hollywood the first idea for a method of conveying visually that the protagonist is in danger in a fight is to make it look like he is losing. Instead of having him take a hit and lose his weapon like you suggest they instead default to "if the hero looks worried and fumbling around then the audience will be worried"
I don't think it's because of a lack of imagination. I think it's because either their fight choreographer is too lazy to orchestrate a believable fight between veterans or the director/creative staff are forcing them to perform the fight that way because as I said before they think it looks more dramatic. And I admit it did when I was a kid and didn't know anything about fighting. But knowledge kills enjoyment sometimes.
It's probably the latter. Director's tend to stick to well used, well known tropes instead of trying something new. But, to be fair, I think that audiences are so used to some of these tropes that if you changed things and avoided some of these common tropes, you'd lose a lot of the general audience whose only knowledge of fighting comes from movies and TV shows with their tropes.
Show definitely needs a season 2 and this time highlights the Roman side.
Metatron, I 100% recommend to watch the channel of Corridor Crew about stunts and CGI in movies and series, to fill your arguments. Learning how action scenes are made and how much a good action crew (cameramen, stuntmen, choreography, screenwriters, etc) can improve a movie or series gives you understanding about how some big productions waste their money and how some people can do so much with so little. Considering things in movie fights like the thickness of a material , its weight, terrain of the fight, nature of the fighters, their stamina, skills, etc, helps the audience to believe what they are watching. I love your videos.
Did Arminius really want to kill him though? I thought he had previous relationships with most of the people in that village.
So maybe his poor fighting performance stemmed from his conscience or lack of desire to kill?
That doesn't excuse that startled fumbling aspects. It only explains the non killing blows.
If he wanted that he would have known how. As a veteran he would have known which blows are lethal and non, so he easily should have been able to cut or stab the guy's arm and disarm him. Yes he would have been taken by surprise at first since he didn't know when the guy would attack him even though he knew an attack would happen, but after that he should have mopped the floor with him.
@@matthewcooper4248 we can't know how experienced the other combatant was, so it's a bit hard to say he should have easily beaten him. But we can definitely say he shouldn't have acted like he did. And probably moped the floor with his opponent. Especially if said opponent kept trying to hit him only in the armour.
The other guy is the town's blacksmith and he's attacking with a woodcutter's axe. Maybe he has some fighting experience but definitely not a professional soldier.
@@mrkiky That's not an absolute certainty. The line between "soldier" and any other profession for a man at the time was very blurred. Especially in Germania, since their tribes didn't have "professional soldiery" to begin with.
Every man who was of a fit age and constitution would be expected to partake in wars when the need arise.
So this blacksmith could've been a veteran of several battles. It's hard to know just by looking at their profession.
I've got a suspicion this show, Barbarians, is actually a hit piece on the Romans. Rome has endured in the minds of Europeans for more than a thousand years as one of the greatest flowerings of European Culture and Civilisation. From what I've seen of this show the sympathy generated is all for the tribes people subjugated by the Romans.
I don't think you should excuse yourself with that, "It's not a critique," thing. It is, and that's perfectly fine. That's why we're here.
I thought the fighting, especially the battle scenes were quite bad...
But i liked the Arminius actor very much.He is so roman.And the he grows his beard a bit and his hair a bit and puts of a linna and a hus and he looks like a sophisticated germanic athaling.
But most of all i loved the Actor who played Varus... he was AMAZING!
Last time I was this early Rome was still a kingdom
Last time I was this early Eneas was still in Sicily.
@@tylerwhaley4872 Last time I was this early, Anchises hasn't met Aphrodite yet
@@michailtavonius3360 last time I was this early Eris hadn't been spited yet.
SUPER METROID in the background
I would love a Lorica Musculata video. It's my favorite of the Roman armor.
Another critique: sure he’s a general and not a part of the century but the fact that he showed up without a scutum is also driving me up a wall.
i study this all the time, never knew they had batman nipple armor
Conversely, I new about this even as a kid, so was surprised when so many people freaked out about Batman's armour.
Cool Cruachán top. Hail from Hibernia
I agree. While I also think, that Barbarians is a major step up in making historical series and movies look and feel more authentic, this wound in particular was a really huge mistake that makes no sense. I only hope that in the next season, armor will work as it really does.
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This is pure conjecture but I think one reason why armour doesn’t work in movies is purely down to continuity. Obviously the actors aren’t hitting one another with the weapons but if they choreographed the fight to look like they are then they would need to constantly change the actor’s costume. So for example - someone takes a spear thrust to the breastplate that doesn’t kill him then they would need to change the breastplate to one with a scratch and/or dent in it. Filming and editing that would be a monumental task.
I was under the impression the Axe cut just below the armour piece
Hearing metatron using the word "cringe" is just great to me.
It's such a nice word, we don't have that in italian.
(Though I still think italian is better 😎)
Thank you for producing the videos that you make.
Question? Where do you get your Roman Armor and weapons, particularly the Helmet, Gladius, Lorica Segmentata and chain mail. I have afew pieces but they are not of higj quality.| Thank yuo Sir.
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I know exactly what you mean, Metatron. The reason (I think) is that the audience needs to be immersed. If people see something they can't understand, it takes them out of the story. You don't want your audience to think while they're watching the film, you want them to follow and understand instinctively. Sadly, this means sacrificing authenticity.
The possible reason they wanted to damage the armor was to signal to the audience that Roman armor is not impervious, that it can be pierced, which makes the final battle/massacre that much more plausable. The real battle was a grinding slaughter fest that lasted for three days. That's not dramatic enough for a show like this.
Another video on Barbarians? I really should watch this show so I have some context for these.
I think the reason the makers went for a deep wound on the torso, instead of the arm, is due to modern medicine and how it influences the modern perception of wounds. Even if it was an ugly wound at the arm, many people in the audience would subcounsciesly go to the conclusion "At least it`s only an arm wound." and the maximum drama the makers are going for is at risk...
THE HAIR HATH RETURNED!!!!!!!
Would you consider making videos about medieval turkic and/or Ottoman weapons, armours, and siege and battle tactics?
me: mum can we have lord faarquad?
mum: no we already have lord Faarquad at home
Lord Faarquad at home:
Super Metroid? A true man of culture.
Half way through the video and we've only gone over 1 frame and 1 object 😅
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New trope added to the list:
"Butter armor" - Your armor don't provide any protection no matter how great your armor truly is. You may cut it, slash, pierce by any melee weapon or projectile. Overused trope in movies, TV and anime. Seriously what's the point of giving them armor if it doesn't protect at all (I'm talking about tv shows)
You are absolutely right about the fight it was terrible he didn’t fight like a Roman soldier especially considering his rank