The Reds' "Deal of a Lifetime" in 1998 Got the Mets Francisco Lindor (The Butterfly Effect VOL. 11)
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In 1998, the Reds traded their closer in a "deal of a lifetime". 23 years later, this trade was the beginning of a chain of events that landed the Mets their $341 million star Francisco Lindor...
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - 1:08 Introduction
1:09 - 2:31 Prologue
2:32 - 4:23 "Deal of a Lifetime"
4:24 - 5:46 Meet Mike Cameron
5:47 - 8:01 Mike Cameron - Carlos Beltran
8:02 - 9:21 Beltran Traded For Zack Wheeler
9:22 - 11:02 Francisco Lindor - กีฬา
I have a good butterfly effect: by the MLB becoming a league, it caused Fernando Tatis to get his contract
How Abner Doubleday existing made baseball be a sport
@@danielcalderon7077 This grinds my gears, baseball was around WAY before Doubleday
@@yankees2864 YEAH!! Doubleday is a SHAM!! A SHAM I TELL YA!!!
Don’t hype up Tatis up too soon he’s still young. He has a lot of talent but has a lot to prove
@@impittsburghpiratesfandont7867 didn’t hype him up, just made a statement that he got a contract
The fact that you made this make any sense is incredible
well I definitely need to see how this is a thing…
Nicest like
Butterfly Effect: Doc Gooden gives up 3 HR's to Tuffy Rhodes on Opening Day 1994, breaks his toe kicking the Wrigley dugout steps in frustration to giving up the 3 dingers to a scrub, does too much coke to cope with being on the DL with a now recurring toe injury, gets suspended for the '95 season for doing coke, signs with the Yankees in '96 and throws a no-hitter in his seventh start with the team.
That’s just the Yankee way.
But that’s not really a butterfly effect the sequence is logical. The butterfly effect would be something happening elsewhere leading to results in completely different area. This is all one person, and his actions.
@@alcapone8069 What are you talking about? Tuffy's dingers led to a no-hitter. The butterfly in question can itself be affected by its own previous wing-flapping. The prosecution rests.
@@skiprockjr.6881 he’s saying different people react to different things and because he reacted to the injury by doing coke isn’t a butterfly
@@gabrielmoreno3589 Yeah it is. He wouldn't have thrown the no-no unless he left the Mets because that's how it works. I think something like 50 ex-Mets have thrown no-hitters.
I think the butterfly effect of this is more just....
“Carlos Beltran signing with the Mets turned into helping them trade for Francisco Lindor”
Everything else before that is really a stretch to try and include on it.
Yeah Mike Cameron’s entire history, although interesting, has no impact on Beltran signing with the Mets. Strange gap to bridge
It is a stretch but it’s a good video
Yeah, at first I thought Cameron's signing had something to do with a comp pick--such a stretch.
@@travisedmondson3227 I was thinking the same.The ONLY thing I can see is that Cameron's declining defense led them to pursue Beltran, but CB was the premier free agent in the class, so if the Mets weren't gonna let Cameron get in the way of signing him.
Dude, THANK YOU!
As for the other half of the equation - Jeff Shaw saved at least 25 games in each of the four seasons he pitched in LA, including the half-season after his trade. He made another All-Star Game in 2001. That season he turned 35 and chose to retire. His family never left Washington Court House, where his son Travis graduated from HS, got drafted by the Red Sox, and has had two 30-HR seasons for Milwaukee. (Thanks Baseball Reference!)
Didn't put together the fact Jeff is Travis Shaw's dad
Bruh I literally found your channel today and started binging. Didn’t even realize this was new lol.
You should check out this guys main channel, Sport Storm. One of the best mainly baseball youtubers I watch.
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Do how Bartolo Colon’s home run got Fernando Tatis Jr. on the Padres!
How’s this?
James shield was the pitcher king colon hits the bomb shields never recovers his career derails he gets tradeed to the white sox for you guessed it Fernando tatis
Oooff I remember the Carlos/Mike incident very well. My father was a reliever on the Mets that year (Roberto Hernandez) and flew us out to San Diego for that series…it was so scary quite after they collided head first that you could hear a pin drop in PetCo Park. 😬still get shivers thinking about how much worse it could’ve turned out both men a lucky to not only continue to play but simply walk period
It's like listening to Foolish Baseball on 0.75 speed.
Go over the part again where the
Cro-Magnon 300 plus hitter is traded
for rookie defensive specialist.
I have a butterfly effect: how the Jim Edmonds trade from LA Angels to Cardinals helped the Angels win a championship and helped the Cardinals win two championships.
Win-win for both teams
GREAT suggestion. And maybe SRS will even throw in that amazing Edmonds catch that too frequently gets left off of greatest catches compilations.
these videos are a treat thanks SRS!
I love being from Cincinnati and seeing both of our major league franchises being the way they are for my entire life.
This couldn’t be more accurate.
Here's one: how the 1993 Baseball Expansion Draft resulted in Pedro Martinez becoming a Montreal Expo.
1) The Boston Red Sox left Jody Reed . 2B, unprotected for the expansion draft.
2) The Los Angeles Dodgers made an agreement with the Colorado Rockies for the Rockies to take Jody Reed in the 1st Round of the Expansion Draft, and trade him to the Dodgers for Rudy Seanez, P, and keeping Roberto Mejia available for the Rockies to take in the 2nd round of the draft.
3) After Reed played for the Dodgers in 1993, the Dodgers offered Reed a 3 year, $7.8 mill contract (per Wikipedia, I always heard $8 mill) which Reed rejected to become a free agent.
4) When Reed rejected the offer, the Dodgers responded by trading Pedro Martinez to the Montreal Expos for Delino DeShields, 2B to fill the hole at 2B since Tommy Lasorda felt Pedro Martinez could never handle the strain to be a Starting Pitcher.
After Reed vastly overrated his value as a 2B in rejecting the contract, he had to settle for a 1 year deal for $350,000 with the Brewers in 1994.
Butterfly Effect: Bartolo Colon getting traded to the Expos in 2002 led to the Nats 2019 World Series win.
Explanation: In the trade, the Expos traded their best prospects like Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips and Grady Sizemore. If they had those players going forward, they don't get guys like Stephen Strasburg, Bryce Harper and Anthony Rendon in the draft since theyd be at worse, middle of the pack.
This was a great, thoroughly entertaining video. Great job, dude 👏
More of these videos please. How about the Randy Johnson trade. Mariners doubt his back will hold up. Trade him at the deadline to Houston as a rental. Then he goes on to even more greatness.
Butterfly Effect if it makes sense: if James Shields never gave up Bartolo Colon’s only career HR would the Padres have ever wanted to trade him, and even acquire Fernando Tatis Jr
my favorite channel rn
I have a great one
How the Blackhawks trading away Thomas Gradin in 1978 leads directly to their 3 Stanley cups in 6 years in the 2010s including acquiring the best player in franchise history.
Here are the steps:
In 1976, the Chicago Blackhawks select Thomas Gradin in the 3rd round from Sweden. He never plays a game for them as he is traded to the Canucks in 1978 for a 2nd round pick in 1980. The Hawks use that pick to select Steve Ludzik who was an okay player for them but nothing special. Gradin is actually where the branch continues because he had a great career for the canucks. 593 points in 677 games throughout the 1980s. Because of that success he takes a job with the Canucks years later as an area scout in his home country of Sweden. When the Canucks had the 3rd overall pick in 1999, Gradin was a big believer in 2 Swedish twins, but GM Brian Burke didn’t want one, he wanted both. So he made a couple of weird deals that involved getting an extra top 5 pick from the Hawks in exchange for Brian McCabe and a first, then he traded up to first overall and back down to second overall. The team who moved up to one was the expansion Atlanta Thrashers and they selected Patrik Stefan. With the second and third picks, the Canucks selected Daniel and Henrik Sedin.
How the story of the Canucks part of this takes a pause too. Patrik Stefan was expected to come in and carry the new Thrashers and he just couldn’t. He dealt with injuries and his production was pisspoor. Eventually after a bunch of rough years post draft he signed a 1 year deal before the 2006-07 season with the Dallas Stars. In a game against the Edmonton Oilers he had the most famous error in NHL history where he missed the net on an empty netter and the Oilers tied the game like 10 seconds later. The stars won that game in a shootout but the extra point they got from the OTL put them 6th last in the NHL that season. 5th last was the Blackhawks who lost the tiebreakers. In 2007, the Hawks won the draft lottery and they had the opportunity to select Patrick Kane. If Stefan didn’t miss that open net, the Oilers are 5th last and they get Kane. Kane went on to have a hall of fame career with the hawks winning 3 Stanley cups, the hart, art Ross, Ted Lindsay and Conn Smythe, but most famously of all in the 2010 cup run, they took down the Vancouver Canucks led by the Sedin twins in the second round and then Kane scored the overtime game winner in game 6 of the cup final vs the Flyers.
great job. love this kinda thing
Even deeper, the Mariners only get Junior at first overall from the alternating draft rule. The Pirates of the 90s could have been pretty good
The Pirates also could have drafted Gary Sheffield first overall in 1986 but instead they drafted Jeff King. So just imagine a hypothetical outfield of Bonds, Griffey and Sheffield all in their 20s in the early 90s.
@@RobertLPeeters at least two would’ve left. The Pirates have always been a lower budget team, so they wouldn’t be able to sign all of em. My guess is Griffey would’ve stayed.
@@zachcoggins9018 Yeah you’re probably right, Griffey would probably have stayed( he’s from PA), and Bonds probably still would have left. Sheffield was a lot younger than Bonds and would have have hung around at least a couple more years before hitting FA. The one caveat though is Bonds and Sheffield were really tight at one point in their actual careers up until actually living together, so who knows, maybe Bonds hangs around a little longer, maybe signs a short term extension instead of leaving in ‘92. Either way, would have been epic for a couple years there.
@@RobertLPeeters I don’t think Bonds n Sheff being boys would’ve meen that much IMO. Money talks in this game.
@@RobertLPeeters That is a fascinating what-if. With Junior in centerfield, what do the Bucs do with Andy Van Slyke, who was in the midst of a run of five Gold Gloves? Move him to right? Would they have tried to keep Sheffield at shortstop because there was no room for him in such a stacked outfield? Does that bump Jay Bell to second? Does that mean Jose Lind never makes that error and the Bucs go to the '92 Series?
Great vid, but always have to stick this dude on 1.25x speed
these videos are so interesting, great work!!
Butterfly effect, I joined the army and hate life lmao. Jk but another awesome video man!
I played against jeff shaw's kids in sports in high school in central ohio, and now his son Travis is the third baseman for the Brewers lol
dude how do you find this stuff, it's insane
That's a stretch, brother :) Plus, Greene wasn't exactly the centerpiece of the Lindor trade!
How the Rays trading 2003 1st overall pick Delmon Young to the Twins led to 2 World Series appearances and a playoff win drought.
Delmon Young not developing with the Rays is extremely annoying
Aaron Judge won the Astros the ws in 2017 after his catch in game 3 of the ALDS
Show how the Mets getting rid of Bobby Bonilla and paying him until 2032 got David Wright on the Mets
that would be a pretty short video, actually.
mets use the cash saved at the time to trade for hampton, guy leaves as free agent. they get comp pick for it, comp ends up being wright.
@@nottelling8456 but there is some juicy side stories that need to be told like why is Bobby Bonilla still getting paid and what does that have to do with mike Hampton
@@HinesEdventures idk but ik Bernie Madoff was involved
Baseball has the most fascinating history of any sport by far. I’m genuinely more interested in baseballs history than the game itself, especially considering how trades and even minor things can cause massive shifts later on.
Little correction; Griffey was a free agent after** the 1999 season not 2000
Reds GM turned a reliever into Ken Griffey Jr.
Is there such a thing as too many Mets videos?
No.
I’ve got a butterfly effect scenario for you guys. I also sent it on Instagram and a couple other of ur guys vids but in case you didn’t see it here it is.
How The Pirates Signing Starling Marte Led to the Rays to a World Series Appearance.
In 2007 the Pirates Sign Starling Marte From the international player pool. He would later be pivotal in the 2018 Pirates pre trade deadline success
Pirates Pick Tyler Glasnow in round 5 of 2011 draft
Pirates Pick Josh Bell In the second round of the 2011 draft. He would later become a big reason why the pirates thought they could contend and made the Chris archer trade
Pirates Pick Mark Appel In Round 1 of the 2012 draft
Pirates receive compensation pick in 2013 draft after Appel doesn’t sign in 2012
Pirates use 2013 comp pick to select Austin Meadows
In 2016 the Pirates trade for Mark Melancon for Taylor Hearn and Felipe Vazquez. Vazquez would be pivotal in the Pirates 2018 pre trade deadline success
In 2017 the Pirates pick Shane Baz in round one
In 2018 the Pirates Trade Previously Mentioned Tyler Glasnow, Austin Meadows, And A player to be named later to the Rays. In exchange the Pirates received Chris Archer.
The player to be named later turns out to be pirates prospect Shane Baz
In 2020 the Rays make the World Series, with Tyler Glasnow And Austin Meadows playing big roles for the Rays
Ah yes, Reds legend Paul Konerko.
Jeff Shaw played in the 1998 All Star Game on his birthday. At least up until that year he was the only one to do so.
Yo, I like this channel. 💪
The next Butterfly Effect needs to be "A Drug Bust in the Dominican Republic Saved Baseball in a US City - and Doomed It in a Canadian One"...
-In 1989, Pascual Perez getting jailed on cocaine charges in his native DR is why the Expos needed Mark Langston enough to trade young Randy Johnson for him
-We all know the difference he made for the Mariners in '95
-Conversely, if they still have the Big Unit, the Expos probably win the NL East in '93 and get a Wild Card in '96; with at least two playoff appearances helping to mitigate the pain of '94, maybe they actually get the new ballpark in Montreal
Great stuff man, appreciate that you’re prob trying to speak clearly buuuuuut I do feel like you can talk a bit faster
I'll never forget that collision. It was terrifying.
It was also deja vu for Mets fans, who in a similar "two centerfielders" moment, watched Mookie Wilson and Len Dykstra smash into each other face-first in June of 1987. Wilson memorably held his glove up, in a daze, to prove that he'd held on for the out.
These types of titles are always interesting
Really interesting on how the 1998 Reds-Dodgers trade make a path toward Lindor's trade to the Mets.
Where do you get the blurry art on the string board?
7:02 The next day The Mets played the Dodgers, how do know? I went to that game as an 11 year old 😎 I got a lunch bag and Vic Diaz hit 2 home runs for the Mets but Dionner Navaro hit a walk off home run
For the first 40 years or so of the June draft, 1965 through the mid-twenty-oughts, the AL and NL alternated overall #1 June draft picks. It was the NL's turn for 1985, so the Pirates did not have to worry about Cleveland and Texas beating them out for it. I think the opposite league got the first pick in the January draft, so the Rangers and future Guardians likely didn't have to worry about Pittsburgh for this one.
Hey are you the company man
Meh, Mets would’ve made the Lindor move anyway
Nice to see Paul Konerko get a shoutout
there could be a butterfly effect video with chris sale's trade to boston leading to la's championship this past year. idk if that would count for a butterfly effect but i think it would be a good video idea
Yo a hometown video (WCH for the win). Great content.
This butterfly affect also lead to the White Sox winning the World Series in 2005 because of Konerko
As a former Minor League OF'er & College/(HS Coach for 26yrs) I can judge, & teach how to, read a flyball bases on the sound off the bat.
Hi not Matt
Wtf did Cameron have do do with anything? Beltran would’ve been traded to the giants anyway so the first half of the story didn’t matter. Also greene was a throw in so the Mets would’ve gotten Lindor anyway
How bout the 1994 strike leading to expos moving to Washington DC, loria becoming marlins owner, leading to Jeter becoming owner and one of the biggest fire sales of all time in 2018. Trading away 2017 mvp and future 2018 mvp.
I am so, so tired of this take from kids who weren't even alive when the Expos existed. The 94 season was a bummer for Montreal, but the Expos ALWAYS had a foot out the door because their attendance records were worse than most minor league teams. Consistently. For decades. I don't care about their silly exhibitions they put on now, Montreal never properly supported the Expos and left for DC about 15 years too late.
@@thelastmanonearth2631 nothing happens for one reason only... the strike was the mail in the coffin of course it wasn’t the only reason or even the main reason.
@@yankeenumba5 it literally wasn't a reason at all. They moved ten whole years later. And again, if you look at their attendance records before and after 1994, you don't need to look any further for the one and only reason they relocated. Montreal didn't give a shit about the Expos until they left, even during the rare times they were good.
Bobby Bonilla’s contract getting deferred allowed them to free up money to sign Mike Hampton, who then left for Colorado for better “school systems” which gave them a comp pick in the next draft. Which turned into David Wright
Please do the 2019 Egg Bowl it's perfect for a butterfly effect video.
Also forgetting him looking at a strike right down the middle to end the 2006 CS ahahahaha
Phenomenal
How Vlad Guerrero Sr. being born led to Vladdy Jr. signing with the Blue Jays
White Sox legend Paul Konerko
With konerko up... and he rips one into LEFT! konerkooo, GRAND slam!!
This doesn't make sense. Cameron going to the Mets had nothing to do with his initial trade to the Reds. Also Cameron being on the Mets had nothing to do with them trading Carlos Beltran. These things could all have happened independently.
ok
i saw the title and had to see what’s up
I love how Damian Lillard saved the life of Caris Levert
1. Mariners trading for Eric Bedard
2. Packers selecting Mandarich over Barry, Deion, and Derrick Thomas.
3. 49ers selecting Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers
4. Mariners winning the final 3 games of 09, and thus losing the Strasburg sweepstakes.
SRS already did a video on #4. As for #2, I believe that’s part of a BE that led to Russell Wilson throwing the interception to Malcolm Butler in Super Bowl 49.
Someone has been watching steve Dangle’s trade tree videos for hockey
Jose Fernandez effect on south Florida baseball?
Almost 20 games into 2021. Still waiting to see ANYTHING out of Lindor.
I promised on the last Butterfly Effect video that I would give you one about Ryan Leaf’s meltdown in San Diego. I think it led to six college football national championships (all by Nick Saban at Alabama) and six Super Bowl championships. Here are those Super Bowls, with the quarterback who is part of this effect:
-Steelers winning Super Bowls 40 and 43 behind Ben Roethlisberger
-Colts winning Super Bowl 41 behind Peyton Manning
-Giants winning Super Bowls 42 and 46 behind Eli Manning
-Saints winning Super Bowl 44 behind Drew Brees
I wanted to just summarize in this post, but I am willing to go into detail about any of these in particular.
Do an underrated video on Juan gonzalez
Butterfly Effect
-MLB Invents Home Runs
-Hank Aaron hits home runs
-Hank Aaron then becomes the real Home Run king 👑
How Bobby Bonilla helped the Mets land David Wright. I think that's a good butterfly effect, but I think its too short of a time span.
This was a reach at some points, but maybe I’m just grumpy after that horrid performance at Wriggly.
Bit of a stretch but hey, it did happen lol
The Twins not wanting to spend a ton of money and get Mark Prior with the #1 pick and take hometown guy Joe Mauer had a huge impact on both leagues. Twins would have been World Series favorites with a staff that incl. Santana, Radke and Prior in the early 2000's and Prior would have been on a very different pitch count with Gardenhire at the helm. The Cubs would have had Mauer's HOF bat but failed to make the playoffs in 2003, hence Bartman game never would have occurred. The Marlins would likely have lost to a better Braves team... This would have pushed the Braves vs. Yankees (or Twins) World Series rematch.
Twins likely would have kept Pierzynski and not made the trade for Liriano, Nathan and Bonser, thus significantly hurting their playoff chances in the mid to late 2000's. Meanwhile the Giants would have a budding ace in Liriano, surefire closer in Nathan and serviceable #5 guy in Bonser. This also would have impacted the White Sox 2005 World Series run and perhaps given Houston enough to win that Series. Giants bullpen (a sore spot in '04) would inevitably have been better while Hermansen may have stayed in SF and never been on the White Sox WS team to close. Not sure how this would have impacted Lincecum on the Giants but they would inevitably have been better pitching wise and not had to sign Zito to such a huge contract...
As a Twins fan, would I have taken a World Series title in 2003 with Prior vs. the HOF worthy career of Mauer? Maybe. We'll never know...
These butterflies are becoming massive reaches... I like this series but this is way too massive of a stretch
I get it that it's only 12 games into the season, but Lindor is not living up to expectations so far. Maybe it's just the fact he is so used to the AL that he hasn't adjusted as well to the NL.
he plays 100s of games a year...12 games is a speck. LGM
A bigger story from this video: both the Reds and Dodgers traded away potential HOFer Paul Konerko
Omg how
So kinda off topic wonder if Shaw was related to a guy I watched Wrestle in Ohio at Washington Courthouse named Riley
Butterfly affect: Phillip fulmer pushes Johnny majors out of his job setting up for Tennessee’s dark era
wow
Broke my heart Beltran not becoming manager
wish Lindor would pick it up here though!
delmon young to tyler glasnow and austin meadows
This is fuckin dope!
I’m sorry but what is the actual connection between Mike Cameron and Carlos Beltran. This video posits that the Mets signed Beltran because of Cameron’s lacking defense but there’s literally 0 evidence of that actually being the case. This was a time when the Mets were spending big on several marquee free agents and trades (Pedro, Delgado, Lo Duca, etc.). Beltran was the marquee free agent of that free agent class and every contending team was trying to sign him. Idk this feels like a reach to try and connect two players that had nothing to do with one another, it would’ve made more sense if Beltran was directly acquired through a trade for Cameron.
Next Butterfly effect video : the Yankees missing out on drafting mike trout because they signed mark Teixeira
Great title. It's like click bait that turns out to be great content instead.
Let’s Go Mets!
A lot of ten years with the mets 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Deal of a lifetime lol the Reds best deal and maybe MLB's best ever deal was when the Reds robbed the Astros for Joe Morgan, Jack Billingham, Cesar Geronimo, and Dennis Menke. Menke was the only one who didn't make a huge impact, Geronimo was a GG CF, Billingham was very solid starter for 8 years and we all know what Morgan did. Yeah Cincinnati gave up Lee May and Tommy Helms but Morgan was a leaps and bounds upgrade and Tony Perez would move to 1B to replace May. Menke was at 3B until Rose took over allowing George Foster to be put in LF. Thus, The Great Eight was born and The Big Red Machine took their place in history
This is a trade tree. Sportsnet does this for the NHL
Still a lot of fun. He should do the Cam Neely trade. The Boston side of that trade tree kept paying off for them decades later. (Be advised that you will then have to hide from Vancouver fans for the rest of your life.)
REDS.❤
Clark making the catch with Brady in the audience, and the same Brady wins his seventh title in his career in Tampa? Is that a butterfly effect? Albeit not even baseball at all.
How prank call help the braves win 2021 World Series
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