Probably the simplest way to do some additional stiffening is to put some steel cables wit a turn buckle in each. A couple of 'X' setups could help a lot without getting too much in the way. You and also make stiffening braces out of EMT conduit and just flatten the ends in a vise and screw into place.
Auger some 6"x6" posts on each corner and attach the structure to them. It will stiffen everything up, give it more protection against the wind and give your corners some protection. Dave
I am surprised that the kit did not come with corner braces, similar to what you have on the Tempo Garage Frames. In my opinion you would need a 45 degree angle brace from the bottom corner to the mid height of the next vertical frame. A triangle is very solid. Engineers use them in bridges all the time.
Thanks for the feedback, the angle braces inside the frames at a 45 would is a good idea. I'm also thinking of building a lean to on one or both sides so that should also help.
I ordered panels and put them on the side to stiffen mine up. It also keeps the snow out in the winter. Both ends are open because I have seen people try and close on end off and a big storm can flip it. Besides I drive through it to get to the spitter under cover.
I solved the same "side to side" wobble by using cheap 3/4 inch triangular shaped plywood gussets connecting a few of the metal side support posts to the roof truss beams. I know "you hate" to climb up there one more time to install these, but a good strong wind can/will reck your hard work, if you dont do this! I think you did a "pretty good" job on your shelter. Congrats!
Great job on putting that together..... definitely takes patients. I would think that there would be alittle give. Your a real professional now on putting carports together lol. Stay safe my friend
Once you add all your screws to the roof sheeting it will help stiffen up the entire structure, that's part of the sheeting's job besides adding cover. Unfortunately, with 12ft high walls you're still going to have some movement unless you add some additional bracing. I know VersaTube offers them but at an additional cost which they may not have told you that when you made the order. You can always add some diagonal cable bracing to help.
Getting all the screws in helped a bit, but I just think that's how these things are. Even with concrete anchors I think it would do this cuz the frames don't go into the ground, just onto the bottom plate. I'll come up with some redneck engineered solution sooner or later...lol
Try to get some cable go from the top of one side to the other back-and-forth along there and run a big ax and where they cross. In the middle make sure you attach him with Au brace to make sure it's tight and it seems to help a lot at the same time if. You're only gonna go in-and-out one in. It never hurts to run a strap from the ground to the middle of the top and from the other side to the middle of the top. Seems the firm i'm not pretty good just this suggestion
My concern is using the rebar stakes to anchor it into the ground. If you have a large windstorm it seems like the wind could get under it very easily and pull it out of the ground. I like the idea of using a full IBC tote to set on top of the frame between the wall supports. Yes, a concrete footer would be better but those IBC's have to go somewhere.
Replace the rebar with ground anchors so it doesn’t wind up in Kansas! If you close in the gable ends it might take the flex out. Call the factory and tell them what’s going on they might be able to help you deal with the issues.
I think they like to have a concrete footer. That might make a big difference in the stability. If you have room for a bigger triangle, less acute angles, that will help. I’ve been looking at these guys and worry about the effort of construction. I am not sure it beats wood framing with walls vs cost. Thanks so much for showing this process candidly!
Go inside and start lifting with the tractor, even servicing it under the shelter, raise a dump trailer etc under the cover, you’ll be glad you got the 12’ walls and likely wish you had 14’ walls. Eyebolts and cables will help stiffen the shelter.
Get yourself some wire cable with turnbuckles & go from corner to corner & take the wiggle out of the frame. Maybe even a ratchet strap would strengthen it up. Myself I would try wire cable & turn buckles. ❤ your videos.
Very cool that you didn't slam VersaTube. There are some things I DIY and other things I leave to pros. That said, I think you did a good job. A lot of people, myself included, make a lot of scrap on our way to getting professional results.
As a person that did some professional framing work, making sure things are square as you are going is really important. I imagine that the building is not square corner to corner and side to side all the way from front to back. Just my opinion but it looks good and if the extra steel sheets keep it from racking you should be okay. Stay safe.
That was a monumental task Dan. I think you did a great job. Have you consulted with Versa Tube on the wobble? I would think they offer some sort of angle braces that would stiffen it up.
Kinda expected. Very tall, skinny supports with a lot of weight on top, it will be a bit wobbly. Is it stable enough is the question. I get a lot of wind and heavy snow, and it would buckle and collapse in my area. I'd watch it like a hawk during weather events to get an idea how it will hold up.
jmo but, I think you will see additional stability once you get all the screws in. With any roof the stability improves once you get everything nailed down properly. You may want to call Versa Tube and ask if them if the issue still persists.
hi there the front to back racking will go away with sides . your back and forth wobble will lesson with the gable ends covered . those style buildings down here have short braces between the up rights and the roof rafters , that being said i dont know or remember if you are putting sides or ends on .
My plan was to keep both ends open, and there's no gable to cover the end peaks...so I'll have to brainstorm a few redneck engineering ideas and see what I come up with...lol
I would get some more totes and add whatever you can quickly . U never know when a fast moving storm might come your way? I would hate to see all that hard work tore up!
your supposed to cut a pvc pipe for spacing between the frame sections then you ratchet strap the legs together for support and keep shape untill ur done then remove
I have never dealt with this type of structure and sure dont grasp the engineering behind it. Alot of the great comments left are exactly what a guy would want to do with a wooden pole structure but I can't help but wonder if they arent designed to move some? The more rigid it becomes may cause something to buckle instead of just "sway" with winds? I would order more truss purlins for the walls myself. They would look better then the old tin.
I would check your square side to side. Measure at the bottom and at the top and see if it’s the same. Your bottom might need to be pushed outwards a little bit.
I would agree. I am in a place where i can fixe and repair my own cars and trucks but there is a point where its cheaper for me to pay someone to do it snd i can go do something else..
I’m sorry Dan please don’t take to much offense to this but I live on the motto buy once cry once, you should have bought a pole shed and did it right the first time, you bought cheap junk so you will have cheap junk, kinda like buying a box store splitter vs a Wolfe ridge or Easton made
I think though even with it being on concrete an anchored in it would wobble...the reason is that the side rails/trusses only attach to the base frame, they don't go into the ground.
Yes I was able to walk on top of the roof and install the ridge cap. I did however try to walk as close to if not on top of the purlins as much as possible.
Tell the truth Dan, you added the side support so you could do some more screwing around🙃😅. It will be functional is no time and that project will be behind you.
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Probably the simplest way to do some additional stiffening is to put some steel cables wit a turn buckle in each. A couple of 'X' setups could help a lot without getting too much in the way. You and also make stiffening braces out of EMT conduit and just flatten the ends in a vise and screw into place.
thanks for your honesty!
Believe me, you will be glad you went 12'. I pull all kinds of trailers thru my 24x24x12. Worth every penny!
The more screws you put in it, the tighter it will get.
I love those sheds!
Auger some 6"x6" posts on each corner and attach the structure to them. It will stiffen everything up, give it more protection against the wind and give your corners some protection. Dave
That's a great idea..thanks for that feedback I think I might have to do that.
I think when u build your lean to on both sides it will stiffing it up. Also will help anchor it down. Looks great Dan.
Adding an “X” brace or two diagonal braces to the sides and back will really make it sturdier.
I am surprised that the kit did not come with corner braces, similar to what you have on the Tempo Garage Frames. In my opinion you would need a 45 degree angle brace from the bottom corner to the mid height of the next vertical frame. A triangle is very solid. Engineers use them in bridges all the time.
Thanks for the feedback, the angle braces inside the frames at a 45 would is a good idea. I'm also thinking of building a lean to on one or both sides so that should also help.
I ordered panels and put them on the side to stiffen mine up. It also keeps the snow out in the winter. Both ends are open because I have seen people try and close on end off and a big storm can flip it. Besides I drive through it to get to the spitter under cover.
I solved the same "side to side" wobble by using cheap 3/4 inch triangular shaped plywood gussets connecting a few of the metal side support posts to the roof truss beams.
I know "you hate" to climb up there one more time to install these, but a good strong wind can/will reck your hard work, if you dont do this!
I think you did a "pretty good" job on your shelter. Congrats!
Thing's coming together Dan, Looks great.
12 ft is good. Some cable bracing would help or get some steel conduit to make braces.
Great job on putting that together..... definitely takes patients. I would think that there would be alittle give. Your a real professional now on putting carports together lol. Stay safe my friend
Once you add all your screws to the roof sheeting it will help stiffen up the entire structure, that's part of the sheeting's job besides adding cover. Unfortunately, with 12ft high walls you're still going to have some movement unless you add some additional bracing. I know VersaTube offers them but at an additional cost which they may not have told you that when you made the order. You can always add some diagonal cable bracing to help.
Getting all the screws in helped a bit, but I just think that's how these things are. Even with concrete anchors I think it would do this cuz the frames don't go into the ground, just onto the bottom plate. I'll come up with some redneck engineered solution sooner or later...lol
It looks great Shifty! Awesome job man👍👍
Try to get some cable go from the top of one side to the other back-and-forth along there and run a big ax and where they cross. In the middle make sure you attach him with Au brace to make sure it's tight and it seems to help a lot at the same time if. You're only gonna go in-and-out one in. It never hurts to run a strap from the ground to the middle of the top and from the other side to the middle of the top. Seems the firm i'm not pretty good just this suggestion
My concern is using the rebar stakes to anchor it into the ground. If you have a large windstorm it seems like the wind could get under it very easily and pull it out of the ground. I like the idea of using a full IBC tote to set on top of the frame between the wall supports. Yes, a concrete footer would be better but those IBC's have to go somewhere.
Good job hero 👍👍
Replace the rebar with ground anchors so it doesn’t wind up in Kansas! If you close in the gable ends it might take the flex out. Call the factory and tell them what’s going on they might be able to help you deal with the issues.
I think they like to have a concrete footer. That might make a big difference in the stability. If you have room for a bigger triangle, less acute angles, that will help. I’ve been looking at these guys and worry about the effort of construction. I am not sure it beats wood framing with walls vs cost. Thanks so much for showing this process candidly!
A timber frame pole barn is certainly more substantial.
Go inside and start lifting with the tractor, even servicing it under the shelter, raise a dump trailer etc under the cover, you’ll be glad you got the 12’ walls and likely wish you had 14’ walls.
Eyebolts and cables will help stiffen the shelter.
Get yourself some wire cable with turnbuckles & go from corner to corner & take the wiggle out of the frame. Maybe even a ratchet strap would strengthen it up. Myself I would try wire cable & turn buckles. ❤ your videos.
Very cool that you didn't slam VersaTube. There are some things I DIY and other things I leave to pros. That said, I think you did a good job. A lot of people, myself included, make a lot of scrap on our way to getting professional results.
Thank you....appreciate the Super! 🍻
As a person that did some professional framing work, making sure things are square as you are going is really important. I imagine that the building is not square corner to corner and side to side all the way from front to back. Just my opinion but it looks good and if the extra steel sheets keep it from racking you should be okay. Stay safe.
That was a monumental task Dan. I think you did a great job. Have you consulted with Versa Tube on the wobble? I would think they offer some sort of angle braces that would stiffen it up.
Just give it some blue pills😮
I haven't checked with VersaTube yet...I think there do offer some sort of bracing but I may have some other plans of adding on to it.
You sound just like me with things not going quite as planned 😂😂😂. Definitely need to look into bracing it up. Good luck 🍀
They are nice to have for storage
Looks Great, just need corner braces at the top!! We all try and save money!! Stay Hydrated and Have a Safe Day
Kinda expected. Very tall, skinny supports with a lot of weight on top, it will be a bit wobbly. Is it stable enough is the question. I get a lot of wind and heavy snow, and it would buckle and collapse in my area. I'd watch it like a hawk during weather events to get an idea how it will hold up.
Yeah I plan on keeping a close watch this winter...luckily it's somewhat protected from direct wind so hopefully that won't be an issue.
jmo but, I think you will see additional stability once you get all the screws in. With any roof the stability improves once you get everything nailed down properly. You may want to call Versa Tube and ask if them if the issue still persists.
4:57 Dan : "When I'm on top, I can feel like everything moving" 😆🍻
Hahahahahahaha 🤦♂️😆
Webbles wobble but won’t fall down😂 Normal Dan, Quonsets are the same until angle bracing is installed, diagonally cables would stiffen it up🪵👍🏼🇺🇸
You have it covered Dan!! 👍🤣
Wow awesome 💪
hi there the front to back racking will go away with sides . your back and forth wobble will lesson with the gable ends covered . those style buildings down here have short braces between the up rights and the roof rafters , that being said i dont know or remember if you are putting sides or ends on .
My plan was to keep both ends open, and there's no gable to cover the end peaks...so I'll have to brainstorm a few redneck engineering ideas and see what I come up with...lol
I would get some more totes and add whatever you can quickly . U never know when a fast moving storm might come your way? I would hate to see all that hard work tore up!
Look up a Earth Anchors. I have used them to anchor items to the ground without a foundation, they screw into the ground and can hold alot.
Get a 110v mig welder and weld the braces, you will have to wire brush the galvanized paint to get a good weld.
only the guy that stays on the couch dont make mistake we are doing are best
your supposed to cut a pvc pipe for spacing between the frame sections then you ratchet strap the legs together for support and keep shape untill ur done then remove
I would put stakes the post and tie with a heavy grade nylon rope to keep it movable if you need to move it later.
Add some gussets to posts to the trusses to reduce the side wobble
I have never dealt with this type of structure and sure dont grasp the engineering behind it. Alot of the great comments left are exactly what a guy would want to do with a wooden pole structure but I can't help but wonder if they arent designed to move some? The more rigid it becomes may cause something to buckle instead of just "sway" with winds? I would order more truss purlins for the walls myself. They would look better then the old tin.
As I’ve gotten older I’m not a fan of heights either, it’s not the fall that gets you it’s the sudden stop at the end.
Good stuff Dan. Did you say the carport was a little "shifty". Lol.
I would check your square side to side. Measure at the bottom and at the top and see if it’s the same. Your bottom might need to be pushed outwards a little bit.
Yeah I think my top & bottom square were a bit off or who knows....lol....oh well, it is what it is.
There's a lot of flex in those vertical members. They need to be beefier.
Bill
The strength is in the outer shell....it binds it into 1 complete unit not individual struts
You definitely need to cross brace the sides. It should not move that easy. High winds will fold the sides from front to back.
Get all the screws in it will solid up a lot
Just run a small '2+- 45° brace in each corner at the top!
Shouldn’t you have a Truss at each end? Makes sense to me. I would go (Front to back) Truss, Truss, skip one, Truss, skip one, Truss, Truss.
Cross cables ?
Yes cables would be an answer. 3ft of snow will bring it down.
I would agree. I am in a place where i can fixe and repair my own cars and trucks but there is a point where its cheaper for me to pay someone to do it snd i can go do something else..
Yep, I just need to remind myself of that when I get crazy ideas like this...I seem to forget until I'm done and then tell myself that again...hahaha
I’m sorry Dan please don’t take to much offense to this but I live on the motto buy once cry once, you should have bought a pole shed and did it right the first time, you bought cheap junk so you will have cheap junk, kinda like buying a box store splitter vs a Wolfe ridge or Easton made
No worries...no offense taken. I hear ya and know what ya mean. I'm hoping that's not the case with this but we'll see.
Spot On!! Could not be more correct!
diagonal braces are needed along the side and on the ceiling
When you get all that steel screwed on I would think that would take the woble out of the building.
Yes, i would not go 12 ft. H-Also think would place on Concrete slab and drill down and use anchor bolts...
I think though even with it being on concrete an anchored in it would wobble...the reason is that the side rails/trusses only attach to the base frame, they don't go into the ground.
Can't find a video of the ridgecap install. the roof can support standing on it?
Yes I was able to walk on top of the roof and install the ridge cap. I did however try to walk as close to if not on top of the purlins as much as possible.
@@Back40Firewood Thank you!!!!
Why can I see holes in the steel. Is it predrilled???
Tell the truth Dan, you added the side support so you could do some more screwing around🙃😅. It will be functional is no time and that project will be behind you.
There's been way too much screwin around back in the woodyard...hopefully I'm done for awhile...lol
do you have some thing for the middle
the cheap way never works as good as you hoped
This is true...and I've told myself that many times yet still keep having to remind myself over and over...lol
Add more screws to the roof. That should help.
Use a cable on either side
The sheathing will sure it up from racking
👏🏻👍🏻
What kind of wind rating does the kit have?
90 mph was the wind rating on it.
8:45, strange noise,
bird or Raccoon.
Believe it or not that was actually a tree frog...lol...it was in the evening and they were starting to holler...ha.
You can come up here and put one together, now that you know what you are doing. Thanks, lol
Unfortunately, they don't tell you that braces are extra
Is there a customer support phone number you could call and get some advice?🇺🇸
After researching building an RV shed and reviewing numerous videos, I have come to the conclusion that these tube manufactured building are inferior in design and product. Therefore, I will build a timber frame pole barn to cover the MotorHome.
Be careful about hiring a crew. Usually, they are Hispanics who don't speak English. They assemble the project but usually with poor quality work. At times I just think they hire just anybody to assemble the project and will have no clue about Quality Control.
1:56 three sheets (to the wind)