Codex Adeptus Mechanicus Unit Tier List - Strongest Admech Datasheets in Warhammer 40K 10th Edition
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- Let's talk through some of the strengths + weaknesses of the Admech units in 40K 10th edition...
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0:00 Intro
2:24 Tier 5
4:28 Tier 4
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I've been an AdMech diehard since I started this hobby. They were my first unit I ever bought. I am finally getting around to making them a full army. For such a cool looking army with such good lore they are so overlooked and shat on by GW.
Admech is so neglected with so much potential it might as well be a Chaos faction.
@jeffreymonsell659 haven't we been eating good for a while? New models, being consistently strong. I think admech might be the new bottom armies since gw realized chaos marines are more marines to sell
@spoonsrattling CSM is in a pretty good state, but WE was released incomplete, and TS and DG haven't received much in a while. And that's my gripe, there's so many creative directions you could take them. They're servants of God's who can do crazy stuff on a whim.
The power level of Chaos is pretty nice this edition though .
We had a month in 9th then it was business as usual we took 3 nerfs which fucked us n no one else was touched gw loves shitting on the one faction that makes them so much money it's piss poor practice on their part as no one's paying £30+ for a faction that does literally fuck all in game
I don't know why they made all the little bonuses rely on skitarii units being around rather than Techpriests. Not only would the latter be lore accurate, it would create more flexibility in builds. There's just so many design issues with this codex that it's a bit baffling.
Two words. Data tethers.
We have a command network system gimmick built into the models of the army right there that's just going unused.
Or you know the data tethers that have been a part of the faction for a while. Just make data tethers Admech's synapse, have all your skitarri and infantry relying on the vehicles to maintain their connection to their commanders.
@samadams8533 while that would be sort of lore friendly, skitarii aren't nearly as reliant on control from techpriests as tyranids are from their synapse creatures. Not only that, but I'd rather have a more unique faction mechanic than directly ripping off guard vox casters or tyranid synapse.
@@I2dios8 I don't think it should be a LD boost, more like each vehicle being able to hand out reroll hits (or Lethal Hits, or 5+ Overwatch, etc.) to a single Skitarii unit wholly within a range of it. And strats keying off of vehicles and their tied unit. Would make Kastelans much higher tier if each robot could tie to a different unit. Would make 4+ BS much easier to swallow if there were more hit rerolls available.
To make you buy more chickens 🐓🙃
I don't even play AdMech, but whenever I watch an Auspex video on them it's like part of me wants to die. Is this the army in the saddest state in 40K?
Technically Drukhari are probably worse right now, but a lot of people feel that’s deserved because of their crazy win rate for a period of 9th.
@@garethlamb6923 played against them the other day. They're a lot weaker than they once were, but the pain token mechanics have potential. With some datasheet adjustments and new detachments, I don't know how they wouldn't be a solid B or A tier faction
@@LamentableDatasmith Drukhari were always glass cannons and just stupidly fast, but they seem to have lost much of the cannon part of the equation, along with a lot of the speed. And their melee went from good to poor. Really sad to see it happen.
@@gribblethemunchkinAdmech WERE glass cannons, now they’re just sand.
of course GW always makes sure Ironstriders/draggons are good since they are so fucking expensive to collect.
You can now run 27 of this model leaving you at 1390pts for 1620 USD
@@elpokitolama It's certainly $-expensive, but would it be OP if real money cost was not the issue?
@@haltes that's the worst part
It would actually be good on virtue of being impossible to gun down lmao
Also, these points allow you to still have some objective holders, or a unit of breachers+skittles ahah
Where I live, 180 dollars for 3 dragoons.
I went stupidly crazy collecting value boxes for when I finally got around to starting this army after finishing Necrons. I ended up getting really good deals on TWO of the omnisiash talons Christmas box, I had a start collecting and a combat patrol ready to go! Imagine how absolutely godsmacked I was to discover just how pathetically small my points were even with all that plastic. Absolutely mental.
How many points is it at the moment?
@@epicwaba6424 If i did it right which i probably didn't. He has roughly 1260 points with all those models. Although it's not to surprising since he only got basic infantry and one Onager Dunecrawler.
It might as well be 0 points if practically none of it is painted though. Inspiration hasn't quite struck yet.
Q:How many chickens you need to buy for Admech? A:Yes
@@YouWinAFREEiPOD good luck assembling and painting all that, see you in 5 years lol
When your epic hero is almost at the bottom, abandoned all hope
You know, for all the fact that they outright named Breachers in the "we're aware of certain units carrying entire codexes and are working to address it." They sure seem hell bent on everybody running 18 breachers or being guaranteed to lose
-You've underrated the Sulphurhounds a lot here, they are decent (by ad mech standards), they always trade up for their points because they are cheap.
-Fulgurites in Data Psalm are one of our best dmg dealers lol.
-Steralyzers are tier one
-Rangers are probably tier 2 due to most lists taking a couple for sticky.
-Raiders are tier 2 as well, very good movement and stuff, they can trade up for their points too.
-Skitarii Marshal is tier 1 as it features in our best unit of Dunrider-Vanguard-Marshal
-Techno is just a home objective camper as a solo dude
-All the chicken variants are tier 1
-Neutron Laser on crab does statistically nothing, Eradication beamer does the most (albeit nothing still).
-Tech Priest characters are not tier one anymore, and Breachers are arguably not tier 1 due to their expensive cost and the nerfs they got. Also some terrain sets make them unplayable.
-Inquisitor and Kyra Draxx are two of the best character choices in ad mech right now.
-Rustalkers and all planes belong in tier 5 together.
The thing about Ad Mech now, is that we don't deal any damage. We just swarm the board and are pretty tough for our points cost, so Breachers doing damage doesn't really matter as they are one of our worst points : durability units so are an easy target and strip out a big chunk of points that could put more efficient wounds on the board.
Honestly, the codex is a mess and GW should probably offer an official apology unless January dataslate has massive changes to datasheets
For the chicken part, I don't think Jezzail chicken worth thispeople can just ignore it even they are taking points
@@The_Last_Jackal Chickens don't really do damage, they are tough and fast bodies that tie people up, so being the cheapest version of that body is still great. You just advance whatever chickens right into your opponents army from as early as turn one and move block them. Ad Mech is basically just a move block army at this point
I agree with the Electro priests, they do huge damage!
Poor Admech.
They should nerf those breachers with their stupid all purpose weapon profiles and buff the rest of the codex.
@@SpriteAndSmite just leave breachers be. They are still worse than terminators so why nerf? The whole army needs a rework/buff. Firstly, hitting on 3+. Secondly, Instead of skitarii it should be techpriests that give buffs.
@@bziebzie I actually like the various units all buffing each other rather than having all the buffs concentrated on the characters. It gives them a unique flavor different than the other factions. However if they were going to both give the battleline units guard-level stats and make them important centerpiece models, they should have allowed them to build 20 model units
Starting a narrative campaign and had to explain *how* much we suck
Perfect for someone who keeps winning!! Adech aren't a beginner level faction. Hoping to finish my Ad Mech army soon!
I have played few games now with the new admech codex. Weirdest thing is having skitarii everywhere to help. I tried diverse lists that wouldnt include breacher spam.
There are few weird things such as skitarii giving buffs instead of priests. Secondly the current doctrina imperatives didn't help when I tried making list that included flyers, raiders and ironstriders. Having to stand in one place to get +1 to hit for raiders is kinda dumb, ironstrider never hit the enemy with that 1 shot they have and meele units have problems with actually hitting enemies.
So i have few solutions here on what i think could help:
1) +1 to hit on every unit
2) bring back doctrina imperatives from 9th edition. They were better and more flexible
3) More shots for balistarii (around what they had in 9th)
4) Make the priests give buffs to the army instead of skitarii.
5) Some units just need more to be effective
I played against space marines and had very few things that could actually kill them (other than breachers and tanks i had)
Raiders and sterylyzors and rangers need more 1 ap in my opinion.
Omnissiah help us
The biggest problem is that the codex is new. GW will never do those changes because this would modify the codex too much. We will take a boring point cut, that will make this army sooo damly expensive. I start to pray for the next edition (sorry if my English is bad). FOR THE OMNISSIAH
agree it makes no sense that the battleline, and not the priests that buffs the army.
You miss one thing: give the robot FnP but NOT THE DATASMITH
Just why
*just let us use the 9th edition codex essentially lmao
exactly. Actually i think it would fix around 90% of problems. (just need to change some strengths and toughnesses)@@LamentableDatasmith
hard to see their tier 1 60 point melee unit barely equates to a terminator for damage output :/
Admechs big problem is damage output. Gw addressed this issue by lowering points, which improved admech but mostly by making admechs durability per points kinda silly. Dragoons are a clear example of this where their damage output is still not great but that defense and speed profile for 60 points is silly and you end up with admech just kinda tanking and blocking enemies out of being able to get to objectives.
I'm a bit of a beginer with Ad Mech and Im so happy to see my small army in 3 tier up (Corpuscarii and Boarding patrol units), gotta get the codex soon
On the whole i agree with you, but there are a few things i think arent quite right.
Ruststalkers are tier 5, i would say they are pretty much useless as they wont kill anything and infiltrators are just better.
Wouldnt say Destroyers were tougher per point than breachers, t6 vs t7 seems to matter quite alot, especially in melee where many things are s6.
I would have ranked the technoarchaologist higher. He makes fulgarites -1 to wound and +1oc so they can steal objectives, also the 12" screen is good round him. Also in a vanguard squad, he makes them into the best unit in the game for flipping objectives (10x oc3 with a 3" -1OC debuff (down to 0)).
This brings me into the final one, vanguard. I would say they are tier 1 auto include. Having up to 6 squads running round giving out -1OC while also having 2OC per model is incredibly strong and is pretty much the best tool admech have (no other army can do this better). Theyre not going to kill much, but they can completely shut down your opponents ability to score primary.
Actually, one more point. You should think of the infiltrators/raiders/pteraxii in terms of points per unit, not per model. They are going to die t1 (maybe t2) but by that point theyve done their job of run forward and move block, so it doesnt really matter if they are 3/5/10 models, the 'unit' is cheap for what it does
Thanks for putting all these videos together
One thing I love about melee Kastleans is Tank Shock with those fists of fury, but yes shooting needs Dam 2 overall and is only good with sustain/lethal hits combo in Rad-Zone Detachment
I think any future changes in THIS edition (the faction needs a whole re-write but that should wait til 11th) should be small but impactful. The biggest weaknesses we have at the moment are our inability to kill things outside of using breachers. We have become a move blocking army, throwing cheap and tough wounds forward and hoping we can score enough before the enemy kill them all. That might be fun for some but its not for me.
So we need to tackle the inability to kill stuff and the key causes of that are twofold, low AP on a great deal of our weapons and low BS/WS, resulting in either lower number of hits for weaker more numerous weapons, or no hits for our bigger more damaging guns (like neutron lasers or twin link cognis lascannons). I think they could really change the faction by just restoring BS3+/WS3+ back to 9th edition values. This would immediately make all our damage more consistent and reliable, without a dramatic power jump.
Add to that a few minor AP boosts, like AP2 for ruststalkers, and maybe an extra pip of AP to our snipers to make them scarier (Skatros, jezzail dragoon, arquebus skitarri) and I think you'd see much more diversity of units being taken. WS3+, AP2 ruststalkers would be worth taking for instance. BS3+ neutron lasers would be a threat the enemy would want to take care of, particularly if its stationary. At the moment, my opponents often just ignore my onager because its so unlikely to actually do any real damage.
Now we might need a few (minor) point increases to go with this but I honestly don't think most admech players would be too sad about that, being a horde army is one of our big gripes.
Skystalkers are the only admech with grenades keyword
Can go with Kyria Draxus. She will help vanguard squad with keyword.
How TF do you design an admech army where there's only a single servo skull mechanic in the entire index and it doesn't do anything that dynamic?
Every time you do a review like this I makes me want to start a new army 🤣👍🏻
For me, the nice thing about the Skatros over the Dragoon w/Jezzail is that it takes up a reasonable amount of real estate in my carrying case. The Skatros is a 65pt unit on the base of a 65pt unit. The Dragoon/Ironstrider is a 50-60pt unit that takes up the space of a 100+pt unit.
I could see myself putting a unit of some sort with an archeologist in a list just for the screw to deepstrike. To be efficient I might try to put it in with destroyers even if its not optimal, giving it a tanky house could be useful, and destroyers can sit back, and threaten overwatch well enough. Then the unit can be a little threatening to hold an objective if necessary.
Fastest reaction in the low countries, all because of the blessings by the Omnissiah
Skystalkers are actually very good for scoring points. Deepstrike + move is a combo that tends to score me at lots of points.
Can you make a video breaking down the top 5 armies for melee?
Something thats really bugging me about this new edition is the insane drop in the points per model, especially for units that are supposedly elite. One of the biggest culprits was lychguard being 85 points, same as a squad of regular intercessors. Why can't the good stuff be good anymore?
Everyone talks about how so much of the army doesn't get the doctrina imperatives rules but I've noticed something. From the wording the bonus affects models in the unit so RAW any tech priest leading a unit basically gains them. Not a big thing perhaps, but at least more of the units benefit which puts them slightly closer to other codexes!
What kills the transvector that you can't bring electro priests in it,.
Using rad detachment and dropping 10 skystalkers near enemy dz and poping lethal hits and full reroll to go lethal fishing could be good. 59shots and if you use assault doctrina you'd atleast have ap1 and then you could move 6", or 12" if a battleline is nearby.
thanks
I was just thinking. Should Detachments themselves cost points? There is obvious imbalance between certain detachments (Crusher Stampede, Assimilation ,Stormlance, and Anvil being significantly lower power compared to other detachments in their codexes). Could this be balanced out by having different points values for the different detachments? Decrease the points of Battleline units to account for that difference (which would encourage people to take Battleline units), but basically end up with the low power detachments getting a boost while having the overpowered detachments get a nerf.
Edit: I think I might actually run the Radium Jezzail Dragoon now. It is dirt cheap and does a decent job.
Are the play mechanics "simple" enough for a new player to appreciate and have success with while playing? Thank you
Damn shame to see Cawl not be that good. He has such a cool model and really interesting lore.
Since GW is making Admech in 10e play like Adeptus Mechanicus: Skitarii edition I want to propose 1 change. to suit their intended push
Skitarii Marshal: Loses re-roll hits to attached unit, but instead provide a 6" aura of BS+1 and WS+1 to ANY skitarii keyworded unit. Increase their points to 55 and enjoy your skittle units (scorps/ crawlers/ chickens/ raiders/ etc) actually hitting something reliably as long as there's a commanding officer nearby.
I believe Techpriests already provide good buffs on their own so not to touch them, but if you HAVE to throw them a bone. Then allow them to double attach to units like Necron Crypteks and Noble's can. Yes this is buff stacking, but bring some precision weapons and you'll easily pick them off since Admech infantry and even techpriests aren't that durable. They just have a lot of ablative wounds in the form of the bodyguard unit.
I can't remember an AT videos with most of the time spent in tier 4 and 3. Tier 2 is 20 mins into the 30 min video.
The transvector's strength is it's turn 1 deepstrike if your in hover mode.
The problem is I really love this army models and the fact that I will never have time to play I guess I will just do the hobby part and enjoy building and painting.
The weapon profiles for AdMech really need a revamp.
The Skatros I saw for A$150 in a local gaming shop, so seeing it described as "cheap" (points-wise, I know) almost gave me an aneurysm.
I think the defensive profile is great for ballustarii, but the lascannon variant gets one shot per the turn = pretty useless.
i'm glad i picked up x3 start collecting boxes when they came out for around 50$ each and did buy someones collection for 80$ that was around 200$ or more at the time.
Is it possible to use cerastus knight atrapos or questoris knight magaera in 10 ed. as admech?
You can run an ally attachment of knights... Just like every other imperial army... There are no benefits for running knights with ad mech anymore beyond being units from a better army.
@@EnRandomSten thanks, not played for many years but has been considering 10ed.
Dragoons taser lance is sustained 2!
Skitarii would not be overpowered with BS3+ WS3+. That stupidity with BS4+ will continue for some time, like it was for Kataphrons not core last edition. In the end they made it core and nothing spectacular happened.
If your auto warlord is a tier 4 in his own faction, youve got fucking massive problems.
I don't understand why the entire army hit on 4+ and sv on 4+. And all those unusable units. I know Games Workshop can sometime nerf or buff some units to boost the selling of those units but here they just nerf the all army. I feel bad for Ad Mech players
Very disappointed in the codex someone is new or phoned it in. Only 5 detachments, army rule that doesn’t affect the whole army oh and the codex art is the same as in 9th. Just painted a full 2000 points up (working on it sense the end of 8th) and this rule set makes me unexcited to play.
I know the rules arnt great and my head is already telling me I should field the vindicare assassin instead but…………I’m still Going to field the stilt-walker bloke because who doesn’t want a sniper on stilts 😂
in the book skitari rangers are 130 points. is the app not updated even though I put the friggin code in ?!? whats going on !
If you haven't figured it out by now the app is more accurate, not less. The books almost always ship with out of date stats in them.
@@saintmayhem9873 i fully understand that but that doesn't make the fact any less rediculous. If you wanna still sell codex just put lore and pictures and the units and maybe some strays for their use. Keep the point and rules in the app, so nobody has to buy both just to get a code. If you buy a codex that code should get you the app for free, especially since the codexes are already out of date when they come out. There's no way to play with just the codex so the app should be free to everyone.
10 Pteraxii skystalkers in the rad zone detachment, come in with 59 attacks and with a stratagem get lethal hits
Lethal hits don’t work with flamers. Nice try
@@ElonDaOmnissiahSkystalkers don't have flamers, they have Flachette Carbines
@@ElonDaOmnissiah Pteraxii skystalkers don't have flamers; Pteraxii sterilizors do.
59 Attacks that Hit on 4+ with S-3 an AP-0 so against 5 Marines with T-4 and SV-3+ statistically you kill 1 Marines unless you use CP on this units.
Super sad not seeing any servitors on this list. I watched the video just to see something on them...
Well I mean technically all kataphrons ARE servitors. But I get what you mean
Honestly I was expecting worse from a tierlist whose main source is an online poll ahah
Few hot takes that I would like to mention:
Rangers next to dissies in insane, the skorpius should be in tier 4-5 with rusties... And rangers should be tier 2 with vanguard at 1, they are critical objective pieces that enable the rules lf the rest of the army
And Marshalls are made so much better in the army with duneriders rework...
Still the main issue is that outside of breachers the army does absolutely 0 damage and the best playstyle can't afford more than a single blob of them as they're too squishy for their cost
Goddamn, just misery.
Amazing how its amazing that skitarii battleline was so bad players didnt even want to play them initialy when the whole fucking codex revolved around them.
33% durability boost and a 35 point drop buff later and they are JUST mediocre. What where they even thinking with the index points?
I love how everyone hates those Space Marines with rocket guns but nobody gives a shit about Admech stuff like planes with literall paper wings 😂
Because its actually fitting for the ad mech aesthetic unlike the marine one
So happy to hear Corpuscarii are finally good, they've arguably never been playable until now!
Good might be pushing it. Situationally they can be ok. They still have AP0 unless they are in that one detachment AND closer than 6" to their target. A full squad of ten kills about 3 marines in shooting. Generally the worse the opponents armour the better they become. Pointless vs terminators. Bad against marines, great against guardsmen.
Does anyone have a pdf file of mechs codex?
No, but it would be completely foolish to put people's necks out by sharing their links in a public TH-cam comments section unless they don't care about it being immediately taken down.
Nice try James workshop
Nice video, thanks. I strongly disagree for Belisarius being Tier4. He has been my MVP for more or less all my games, reroll 1 to hit is huge for onagers, and dam d3+3 followed by a charge (S8 in melee) can destroy a Wardogue in one turn.
And... He regenerates d3 per round, and can be healed by an enginseer
I feel that if anything he was rated too highly.
Re-roll 1’s is a flat +17% damage. Accordingly, he would need to buff 1000 point of stuff to make back his cost of 180 points. Of course that’s an oversimplification since part of the points come from defense, but I don’t think I’m too far off the mark.
Moreover, if you do cluster up to use his buff then you’re stuck not moving - which is a death sentence for this army.
@@jacksonletts3724 thanks for the great reply. As you said, Admech is about movement. On the tabletop, Crawl Can advance and shoot, giving him a great projection and D3 blast attacks at S14 Ap-4 BS2+reroll 1's, Dam3 fusion D3. On a squad of 5 marines it's 3-5 dead. If you managed to have a lign of sight for 1 onager and 10 skitarii at 6" around Cawl, he Can afford his price in 1 turn only.
@@MrBardricCawl can't advance and shoot he doesn't have the army rule. His gun is also d3 shots so no idea how you are killing 5 marines with it.
@@dgibbard2 my bad indeed, he can't advance and shoot. His gun IS D3blast, so he can kill 4 marines, not 5. He can kill 5 only in a squad of 10
@@jacksonletts3724for admech it's an 8% increase: 16% of your shots get rerolled, then hit on 4+ -> 8%
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GW hates us, join me in stopping the copium and forced positivity. I'm calling on my fellow mechanicus, the Drukhari, and all 6 grey knights fans
I started play in 9th edition. My 2 armies are admech and drukhari….
Thats rough @@marziodimastrogiovanni127
I feel for you
@@marziodimastrogiovanni127 I meant him
First for the mech boys
You were actually second 😂
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Instead of being tyranid glass canon hybrid- ad mech is plain sh*t. Gw hates them and do not deliver the justice of hayle books about ad mech.
There is no data slate that is going to fix this discordant crap.
10th edition admech is an abomination.