ICE Adventure Trikes with 1000W Hub Motor & 1000W Bafang Middrive - Full Suspension Recumbent Trikes
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ค. 2024
- If you could pick an electric option TODAY, would you go with the 1000 Watt Hub Motor? Or the 1000 Watt Bafang Middrive option? Why? If you're looking for a side by side comparison video, this isn't it. However, if you want to know more about both systems, we cover the basics in this video. We've got an ICE Adventure set up with the UTCustom 1000W Hub Motor, and an Adventure HD outfitted with a 1000W Bafang. Hope you all enjoy! If you have any questions, drop us a comment!
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Chapters
0:00 Intro
1:26 ICE Trikes
2:06 ICE Adventure
2:58 ICE Adventure HD Bafang 1000w motor
4:30 ICE Adventure 1000w Hub Motor
6:04 Computer Display
7:47 Test Ride
14:55 Outro
15:37 Ride
15:58 Bloopers
Good comparison between the Hub Motor and the Bafang Middrive. Love the Snow capped mountains in the back. Keep on Triking.
Nice video I added a Bafang 500 Watt to my Sun Seeker Eco Tad, works GREAT, two 36 v bottle batteries add plenty of range
We LOVE our ICE Adventures HDs!
Just made it home from fifteen miles minutes ahead of heavy rain. Kate, you come up with some good lines.”those ICE wrist rests are like a mattress for your wrists.” Well, my ICE Trike is like a mattress...for my whole body. Total comfort. Can’t wait for the motor bits to get here. Stay well my friends!!!!
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This woman is a pro salesperson . really knows her topic and gives a lucid non rambling delivery . very impressive .
VERY well done video! Congratz, I appreciate the 4K as well. U Guyz are ROCKIN-IT! :-)
Hey boys and girls at Utah Trikes. You guys are great to work with and love the videos. You have some talent all around. It is what sets you apart and made me buy from you so keep it all up! AND...Thats my hub motor adventure trike build in the video! Very cool to see it getting its maiden drive. Cant wait to get it. Supposed to be next week. I'll see if I can go out without the California Covid police stopping me. Been cooped up inside for a week so I'm ready to ride! Stay healthy and always ride safe and keep 6 feet apart! ;)
Kate is definitely the best presenter of your business, hand down. I like your trikes and I like your traffic problem there. I miss living there in Utah. What a great place.
You’re videos are great. A lot good info.
Another great video i hope I’ll get to own a trike one day keep up the good work guys
You all ROCK...Keep the videos coming!!
Thank you! We've got a lot more in the works.
Great how to see the, Passion, of trikes, keep on going.
Love the revealing of prices per unit. I love these trikes and maybe next year I'll have my own.
Thanks for the comparison of the two types of motor drives. I think I am going to opt for a Bafang 1K mid drive motor for my Greenspeed Magnum XL. I am an amputee and put a lot of effort out with my good right leg. Long rides are not an option for me right now but with the addition of a pedal assist going places will be a great option with electric pedal assist.
I'm with you on that one, Paul. I have limited mobility from a car accident. I'm looking forward to getting a trike with a motor. I'm not sure yet if I'll get the front mount or the rear hub drive.
@@rango_unchained hi ron, i had my trike converted and have a Bafang direct drive on the front driving the chain. I think i would consider the rear wheel drive as it is a more simple drive and i don't think it puts the strain on the chain like the front drive does. it cost me about $1,500 for my Bafang set up.
@@paulalld Thank you for the info on your setup. I'm leaning toward the rear hub motor because of the reverse capability. Btw, did you try other trikes before getting your Magnum XL? How are you liking it?
So cool. Electric assist trikes are just right for low country riders with plenty of years on them.
A couple of sweet rides. I like the $ 11000.00 trike better of coarse! it's the ultimate. Another great video Kate.
You just keep putting them out there. Barry M.
if you live / ride hills, the mid-drive is definitely the way to go.. keeping the motor spinning fast keeps the motor cool, and keeps the motor from lugging down. Small front sprockets on Bafang Mid-Drives is the way to go to keep the motor spinning faster.. I use a 30T Lekkie blingring, and a Rohloff Speed Hub 14... And i never spin out.. Always have gears for steep climbs and fast speed on level ground.
I have an ICE adventure HD and it has an Bafang 500watt with manual 10 speed. I have removed the 500watt Bafang and the rearwheel. So i have placed an 1000watt rearwheel. This wheel is gives more fun to ride the ICE. Speed is not so important but tourque and fun thats what i like. Keep on going Utah Trikes, greetings from The Netherlands.
you guys are crazy !!!! I love it.......
The more I watch you guys the more I want to get a trike.😁😁
I'm almost 80 years old have the Bafang motor on my trike and the hills here in Casper are a breeze. Top speed so far, 42 MPH. Typically 24 MPH.
Hi Kate good to see you again
So if you're carrying a lot of weight like you're touring and you're going to trailer behind you which one would you most likely put on something like that that will get you the best of everything touring. because I'm talking about off road touring you know and on the road touring so obviously speed is not at all something that I would be looking for which set up would you recommend
Another great video. My question is have you ever done a video on the TonSheng emotor system? Thanks.
Tom Cross
I was here for the dual motor 1000W hub & 1000W mid drive. 😁
*super good buy!!!*
Great information 👍
Could you have a segment on the different types of bottles I have a back injury in my left leg the sides off the battle maybe you could talk about that tomorrow
Kate you generate revenue for this company Utah trikes 🌲🌲🌲😁😁😁😁
Hi, What is the minimum and maximum pedal length to the seat (in adventure)? Can you give a complete description of the size ?
I want to mostly pedal and use electric only as an assist on hills or as an emergency system if I overdo a trip. Which should I purchase?
I have an ICE Adventure with a Shimano E6100 e-assist, and the gears change automatically, but I would like more power. Is there any way to convert what I have to something with more power? Thank you!
Do you have any trikes loosley similar to this that have a 50 mile electric range and can hit 45 mph on flat pavement without pedaling? I am wondering if I might be able to use something sortove like this as a commuter but it wouldn't be practical without hitting those minimum performance specs. My employer does have a parking area for motorcycles.
Thanks for the Coronavirus tip, that's why I'm drinking with Rolling Rock this fine evening.
I really wish I could afford a awesome trike. Once I win the lottery, I'll buy a bunch from you awesome peeps.
For those of us who haven't yet won the lottery, and can't afford to spend $7k-$11k on a recumbent tricycle, I'll be building my own from scrap bicycle parts. Other than maybe $1k for an electric motor, controller, and a doublesize battery pack, i don't see how these things can sell for so much. j3-pro
Cool, I would be happy to get a purely peddle type that is able to be adapted at later dates to electric. Beats hopping in my car everyday just to drive one mile and pay for gas.
Thanks for replying, I wish I could franchise a place here in Montana. Without capital, expertise, & business knowledge it's kinda hard to do.
I Love the Channel and your Shop.
what is the torque for the torquiest hub motor, the bafang mid drive and the shimano e8000, thanks
What mid drive would be the best for a ebike car and could you run two mid drives together?
Great 👍Job Thank you 😊🙏👏👍
I plan on getting the Fat Tad CXS but if I get Bafang 750W is it power assist to help climb hills or is it to be a stupid ev?
Does the Bafang Middrive have a torsion option? Or should I be looking at the Tongsheng?
OK.....
What i don't here is the Pedaling- Is that to help charge the battery?
Or is that due to the motor being weak as it loses power going up hills etc?
The mid-drive with a Rohloff seems to be the sweet spot but what are its down sides? Price? Range?
You guys seem to be pretty active with mix and matching-how about using an internally geared rear hub with a 500w Bafang mid drive motor on a HPV Scorpion FS20? My new motor has amazing acceleration which needs up-changing gears by 2 or 3 at a time. So why not add an automatic gear hub which can handle that power? Can you recommend a gear hub which does not break the bank? Have you tried the Enviolo or any other good brand gear hub?
New subscriber here! Awesome trikes.
Welcome aboard! Glad you like the builds!
Im adding a 1500w 27.5 inch hub wheel to my trike so should have enough power. Im am just fabricating the rear drop out extenders for the wheel
July 2022 and Covid19 is still with us.
Do you do the hub motor as a DIY kit?
If so, how much?
I need to electrify my ICE Sprint 20" wheels as my medical condition is getting worse.
Stay safe.
Question. Hub motor when turned off or set to 0 assistance do you notice any back EMF... (Back Electro Magnetic Force). It happens on permanent magnetic motors. Its the electric current in a motor that is created when coasting which adds a lot of resistance to coasting and or peddling without power. I have a hub motor on my bike very similar to your hub motor it becomes a lot harder to ride at 0 assist and or no power. Lift the trike. Try simply spinning the hub motor by hand time how long it coasts. Do the same with the mid drive it will coast much longer. Its kind of a large effect.
My real question is do you notice the difficulty peddling with a mid drive with zero assist? The mid drive should do better without at freewheel coasting because the motor is disconnected from the drive wheel due to the rear sprocket. given that alone I like the mid drive. How does the mid drive feel with 0 assist? Like when you just need to get home with a dead battery. my bike is actually quite a bit more work.
I am beginning to talk myself into a mid drive over hub drive for my velomobile.
Is your UTCustom hub motor available as a do-it-yourself option - can’t see it on your site?
Can you get both mid-drive and hub drive for maximum "assist"? ....in a fat quad? ...with suspension and a comfy seat that's good for cornering? Yes, I live near Thompson Pass, Montana where legendary misjudgments have been made by those no-longer with us.
...and regenerative breaking for the 11 mile down hill speed checks. 4 wheel breaking would probably be a smart alternative to the parachute. Optional windscreen tough enough for the emergency use against branches, rocks and wildlife?
Really enjoying my thousand-watt hub motor, now if the Utah weather would just cooperate. I would like to see a more in-depth video on the Consul operation, for instance when I pull my battery off the clock resets, is that the way it's supposed to be?
But can it Out Run A Sasquatch 🦍
Fun, great video!
What about the overall distance you can travel with each bike, factoring one battery?
Yes, the overall efficiency would be good to know.
Yes please
I get over 50 miles on a charge with 30% battery left.
Are there any electric assist bike or trikes with regenerative breaking?
you guys are so funny
Just under $11,000? I nearly spat out my cereal. Wowzers that's pricey.
Their are barely making 10k on it, give them a break.
Add up the components separately, bet you’d struggle to make one cheaper to the same quality. People just want everything for nothing these days .
@Futurebreeze Nearly all electric bikes are made in China and nearly all of the motors are as well. Whether they are from expensive brands or not. This thing at $11k is insane. You can literally buy a Japanese made 1000cc sportbike for that money. Yet you think the only comparable product to this is a cheap Chinese e-bike? You can get 99.95 of the bike for $3k or less
Ikr lol
The problem is you don't get the benefits of scale economy. That's why cars are better bang for the buck
Besides the unique bike frame everything else can be bought from China and soldered and assembled at home. Even if it's a pure carbon frame I have no clue where the price is coming from.
Awesome vid. I Have ICE FS HD that has the Bafang 750 that I had installed last summer. Its has the 9speed on the back that came with the Trike. Do you guys do upgrades to older trikes? I am thinking of the Rolofh would be a good start. Thanks
Yes, the Rohloff would just about double your gear range. We can build you an upgrade kit. Shoot us an email to trikes@utahtrikes.com and we can put a quote together for you.
An upgrade with a new powder coat maybe. Doable I bet. Thanks will do.
The 1000watt bafang mid drive puts out 160 Nms of torque . that's insane , but probably eats your battery up in short order . The great thing about a geared mid drive is you can increase your range and power by , wait for it , PEDALING . 😂
I have a bosch gen 3 cx motor on my cube mtb and try to stay in " Tour " mode , except for super steep hills . i can get about 65 miles out of a 500 watt battery , so pedaling a lot on the bafang will definitely give you some decent range .
The max input torque for Rohloff tranny hubs is listed at 130 Nm … I wonder if their setup could be causing some damage to it?
First of all, great video!, two beautiful builds and I'm most impressed that Dillon come in at 4:17 AM to do the video, according to the control panel at 6:45 of the video. LOL. Thanks for another entertaining, educational video.
Heh, good eye!
Haaaaaaa
like the seat and armrests...nice touch. Nuvinci rear hub with harmony auto shift interface, would reduce manufacturing costs with the bafang mid drive, and the few extra ounces of weight would not be noticeable. 11 grand is intolerable, unexplainable, even with the pricey Rohloff hub, however. At that price, I would expect a couple of flexible solar panels over the rider for shade, and battery charging. When’s that coming? Cheers from northern British Columbia!
Are you running strictly the thumb throttle or do you have it set up with pedal assist?
Love the display, very nice.
Love LOve LOVE the middrive and Rholoff combination.
Both are setup to use pedal assist or throttle.
I am also working on it with solar roof .
Thank you
Any possibility the guys had a prefered setup after the comparison rides?
I have a JC70 trike and I am considering putting a 1500 Watt Hub Motor from Amazon on my trike. I know that it is bigger than is legal here in Canada. BUT! I have my reasons. The investment in a trike is sizable abut there is no insurance for Bicycles of any sort here in Saskatchewan. Ergo, go over the limit so that it has to be licenced as a Moped. By doing that I can then licence it with SGI as a Moped. I will need a Motorcycle Licence to do that, but I have had that since I was a teen and I am in my 70's now. What are your opinions on running with this much power on a bike that is already pretty fast?
How much wider is a trike or quad compared to a large frame mtb with straight handlebars? A friend of mine didnt think a quad would work on the trails we have in our area.
The widest trikes and quads are 36in, but most are just over 32in.
Hi guys, love your channel! May I ask you a question? I am in the UK. I have given up riding a bike because of balance issues and an inability to pedal for long or uphill. I have a little 3 wheel sit on scooter. What I really need is a etrike that I can pedal a bit, can carry a couple of bags of shopping, and can fold. Do you have any suggestions or possibly a video about strikes for folk like me?
Keep safe!
Rory Patton
Ask British Human Power Club and ICE in Cronwall
UT - do you have any concerns about the weight of the BBSHD out on the end of the Adventure boom? I want one! But that just seems like a lot of weight to hang out there. Comments?
Ok so how much for 2 hub motors and a mid drive with a 6v battery setup?
A Phase Runner or a BAC 800 would increase the Bafang's amps to 40+ continuous and 60 Amps peak and allow for overvolting at 72 volts. Looks like a hoot, i may hafta invest in a Tad. Will Utah come up with a frame that allows a Bafang Ultra? I do prefer the torque sensor!
can a cheaper Nuvinci IG be used with a mid drive setup or is that too much torque for the nuvinci to handle?
We have set up many a Nuvinci with the Bafang 500W-1000W motors and have had no issues.
I have a Catrike Villager. I'm interested in e-assist. What would you suggest? I'm 6' and 220 pounds.
I've an old lightweight kmx venom. I'm putting a 60V 1500w motor and a 17.5Ah battery. I'm same size as yourself. I'm hoping for 20to35mph unassisted. I've got a kids trailer I'm going to put 4. 35Ah lead acids for >100mile range...
What is the weight limit on the trikes
Whats the best set up for a duel chain trike in a mountainus region? Is it possible to do rear wheel drive with duel chain? What are the pros and cons with converting a duel chain trike to electric i guess is what i would like to know if anyone has any knowledge on that
Those Rohloffs can last a lifetime, so might be one part worth getting second hand.
Found a lightly used Rohloff for $450 - just missing gearbox cover/shifter/cables. Would you guys be interested in doing a build if I can source and ship the parts? I’d like to get the cost down as much as possible by spending a few weeks/months to acquire the pricey bits myself. I’m good and patient at deal hunting just lack mechanical know-how.
Dude's get some freaking Helmet's 😵😁👌
Is that my FatCat V3 in the background at about 13:50? (You know a customer is excited when they scour each video hoping for a glimpse of their trike ;-)
:) it certainly is!
Utah Trikes AWESOME!!!! I can’t wait!!!!
Watching from Gods Own Country (that’s Yorkshire to everyone outside England) and really love your channel. Guys are funny, Lady makes a good host (helps that she’s easy on the eyes too). I have an EMtb and don’t know what I’d do with a Trike but watch your videos cos they are fun and informative.
Can you provide a vid where we can hear the motors under load? I'm very curious how loud they are and if there is a noticeable noise difference between the hub motor and the mid-drive.
It's something we'll include in an upcoming comparison video. Keep an eye out.
@@UtahTrikesOnline Great! Thank you.
When I’m ready an set I want to get the 4 wheel big tire all Terrain riding trike !! 26” wheels Well tell lights headlights turn signals also a rack in the back made like a basket case I want to go shopping or Hunter something heavy duty because I’m 250 pounds but I would like to have something up towards 350 for his weight and a tow hitch
If it's 4 wheels it's not a trike people, and for 11 grand witch these AREN worth that kind of money and I can spend 3 to 400 and build a better trike , all these look like someone's looking to exten their laziness from home to a lazy ass chair on wheels
@@andrewarcher5611
He meant 4"(inch) wheels/tires, a phat trike in other words! A trike with THREE 4" by 26" tires!!! He left the inch part off after the number 4! Also, this is an expensive version, there are many out there well under $4,000 with good suspension and the like, starting around $1999 before any specials added on! With the electric motor and batteries it could go if on a base phat trike UT carries could go from the $1999 to the $4000 or possibly up to $7000 depending on the type of motor and the battery package one might want, but I think the $7000 range would include some upgrades!
Saludos desde España soy un fiel seguidor vuestro me gustaría saber el precio de la bicicleta reclinadas más barata gracias un saludo
06:40 - Filmed at 4:16 AM??!! You guys are DEDICATED!
I know you say you replied to us and everything but is there a time frame on that cuz I don't think you've ever replied to me if you have but I don't think so
Do your motors have ReGen capability ??
I can really see people that live within 10 miles or so of their work that a eTrike would be a great option for them. I have a question though - how do people transport their trike? Trailer, truck bed, hitch mount, back of a SUV, ?
As long as it’s not raining
Do normal bike wheels fit on the rear of recumbents or not universal?
Most trikes use a standard 135mm dropout quick release hub as stock.
Rich people toys. Fun to look at.
Hola gente de utha trike, muy buenos sus trike pero algún vídeo en español explicando las caracteristicas de sus trike, vamos en que sea uno, saludos desde Argentina
Creo que no entendieron nada de tu comentario! probablemente no saben nada de español.
Since you asked...I'd go with the hub motor on an HD. Where I'd ride in Niles, MI we don't usually have major hills as you would. Y'all would say, "Hill, what hill?" I'd go with a Pinion on the front. If money was growing on a tree in my yard I'd go with the Pinion P1.18. I just read of a guy with a mid-drive that destroyed a chain and he had a good push/walk and had to call for help when he got to a road. Perhaps all that motor torque killed the chain. On a hub drive, a broken chain won't leave you stranded.
I use this setup on my ti-fly 26. Pinion p 18 with go Swiss hub drive and absolutely love it. On my last tune from a local shop the chain was inspected and showed very low wear as the chain line is straight and torque from assist is not applied to the chain. That said, it would still “leave me stranded” with a broken chain, as it uses torque sensors. And very limited “throttle “ a press and hold walk mode and limited assist for help through a stop light. Never use it, or the reverse feature for that matter. After four years and thousands of miles i can say it was worth the money. Hey,, smokem if you gotem right?
@@dannyslaughter4845 Nice ride. I can't walk like I used to, used to walk many miles a day, now it hurts on my own to walk a block, I'd hate to have to be pushing a completely dead trike. Arthritic feet, ankles, and knees make me not want to be without a back-up if I'm out somewhere. Also, I have a heart issue so I'd not want that strain. I'd want to be sure my motor could get me to a pick-up point at least so I guess that is something I'd have to be sure to check, that the motor could get me somewhere without pedal input.
I'd love some numbers for the torque and top speed of each of the motors you're offering.
We're working on some more all-encompassing reviews of each system. There's a lot that goes into a video like that, so it might be a little while. Once the weather here starts cooperating a little better hopefully we can complete our research and make it public!
Sorry for the nitpicking, but the “a” in Ba Fang is a short “a” sound as in the a in father-not a long a as in snake fang. Love your vids by the way.
An ASI BAC or a Grin Controller can turn Utah Trikes Rear hub or the BBSHD into a 72 Volt 3500 Watt, concrete slayer... for some 50+ MPH touring... add a Fairing for added (Aero)....
He;;p hpw can I [irchase one have it shipped yo the Philippines and what would be the full cost plse respond wud like to purchase asap.
I love my trike but that's getting into motorcycle/car prices. Just for reference, a 2020 Honda CBR600RR costs 11k, gets 44mpg, and does 150+mph with an 84,000 watt motor.
Yeah but in 5yrs will it be worth anywhere near what you'll get for an ICE trike of the same age.....
….No it won't.
In fact the Honda is only worth around 8k as soon as you register it and take delivery.
Plus you have to licence, insure & put gas in it, which all cost's $$$.
You don't need to do any of those for the ICE trike & it doesn't pollute either.
Yeah, you have to buy gas for the motor cycle. BUT,.... You have to buy new battery’s for the Trike or Quad in about 3 years. Cost about $1,500. +.
Interesting
Hey I got to comment I really was thinking and probably a reply I was wondering if they build trailers
Looking to be able to put a cooler on the trailer for a store run being able to bring back cold stuff in my cooler and still have the place to put other groceries that don't have to be cold
I tried to make this all into one reply but my phone's kind of new to me so what I'm asking now is do your work with social security disability for someone like me that just a standard trike I've toppled a couple trying them out they did not have a stable turn radius meant they wouldn't take it standard turn that you can basically do want me to bicycle and I having a little bit of the ability to carve into a turn
Is there an electric motor that allows for regen breaking?
Yes, our hub motor shown has regenerative braking.
Great video and valuable info. Maybe I missed the part when you talked about the top speed of your 1000 watt motor?
Road legal or Modded?
I picked up my ICE SprintX last week with the 1000 watt motor (mid drive). Took a ride around Payson near the shop. Again took the trike out at a nice trail on the way back to SLC. The next ride around my home I hit 36 mph on level peddling as fast as gearing would allow. I’m pretty sure the displayed speed is a bit high. Anyway the thing is crazy fast. The sad news is I was hit by a pickup truck about 5 miles from home. I was moving slowly as the light had turned red. I was in a “bike lane” (aren’t we grateful for those white lines the city painted on the road?) The trike is now pretty much a pile of noodles. The boom with the aforementioned motor is one of the only parts undamaged. The display and throttle also seem okay. I’m extremely sore from head to toe. Miraculously no broken bones. High end mips helmet is cracked. Don’t skimp on your helmet kids!!! I’m letting the jury deliberate about the motor when I get a new bike which I believe insurance will pay for in full. More about the motor. You definitely pass everyone on any bike. Hills are just not an issue. The bad news, you really notice the weight gain. The trike no longer feels nimble. If you miscalculated a trip and had to ride unassisted you’d likely have to call for towing. The battery seems to have a short life between charges. Way too early to tell. Battery is close to 9 lbs. can’t guess the weight of the motor but it’s pretty hard to lift up to my Subaru Outback even with battery removed. Depending on body healing time and insurance claim for a new trike, I may consider going to a 250 watt. Experimenting could become very expensive. Utah Trikes is a class act.
I just now saw that you did reply to me thank you , 😁🌲 somebody did LOL
so these are not pedal assist? these are straight up motors?
Can you deliver to Thailand and at what cost.
We do! email us at trikes@utahtrikes.com for a shipping quote!!
That could be hand cranked and would be great for those whose lega dont work.
Max speed? Range?
Do trikes want a special chain lube?