@@Youngsoldier93 hell I have a good job with pretty good pay, my situation just doesn't allow for much extra cash right now. You never know somebody's situation.
How about show the top end and bottom end of the supercharger and not just the part that looks the best. My take on the debate is if you want to blow the tires off at every light and break parts fast get a supercharger. If you want leave a light fast and then blow the tires off at 70 mph and wreck the whole car get a turbo.
Its a s550... Nothing is gonna break. Thats why its an s550. As for your argument there is some validity to it, but the turbo car in this example is kind of a bad example. The owner wants to have that late spool, and I'm guessing hes running low compression pistons hence the reason for the low power down low and that steep ramp up. It's not the best combination from a strictly performance stand point but its gonna be a wild ride... The vmp gen 3 is specifically designed to NOT lose high RPM power look at the torque curve. It's a monster of a blower. And works really well with the high reving nature of the coyote. I also suspect they are running high compression pistons and lower boost. You make the same power but the throttle response is monsterous
@@3star2nr to add to your points people think supercharger means low end and no top end and turbos are the opposite but that isn't necessarily the case with either. Depends on the sizing relative to the motor and how efficient they are. The 2650 is very efficient and has killer power everywhere. A properly sized pair of turbos with good tuning can also have a wide powerband. Even with two small turbos with badass response it will never have the response that supercharger does. It literally feels na you never feel it "kick in" it kicks in when you kick the throttle down literally instantly. Makes it feel like a built out the ass big block with the drive ability of a stock coyote. What's not to like there? For an all out race built turbos are better for a street car the tvs is hard to beat but either can do well in either scenario set up properly. There's been some pretty fast tvs cars.
@@midnight347 I agree with this 100% both technology is fantastic and can be tailored to what u need. I would supercharge the coyote just because the packaging is cleaner and simpler in the s550s tiny engine bay
Having had both an sc and turbo on the same car, I prefer turbo mostly due to boost control capability. The sc is beautifully simple though and in this respect will be desirable for many enthusiasts.
Probably not going to hook up in a mustang , and overtime the supercharger destroys the motor wears out bearings and the engine has to work harder to make the power
In the 10-speed auto, a centrifugal SC or TT is where its at...they shine above 5000 rpm and under full throttle, rpm's don't dip below 6k in the 10A like a manual everytime you shift.
I wish I had the money for these huge power build., I for a stock engine prefer the Vortech due to it's progressive boost nature which is less harsh on components (stock engine). In my previous Mustang I had no problem keeping up with or beating positive displacement blown cars and they had issues with heat soak where I did not. This was in a 3V 2006 GT that ran 12.1@115 bone stock with a Vortech V2. There are pros and cons for everything so for my needs the Vortech will suffice, with a much bigger budget I'd go twin turbo and would love to go with VMP, their work is awesome.
The twin turbo car is built to be a dyno queen, in real life I personally wouldnt use turbos with a trim like that. Smaller turbos are way better you want to fully spool by 3500. That will make more useable power... I think between the two the vmp gen 3 is the better way to go. That torque curve is incredible... Thats a very very fast car! And just from looking at the curve more of the vehicle id want to drive. Also having less parts makes the system cheaper overall to maintain and trouble shoot in the long run.
If you take the same exact engines, run the same boost, one on turbos and one with a S/C, the turbo engine will make more power every time. Both are cool but many don't realize the supercharger takes 150-180 HP to turn at high engine speeds, plus all the torsionals on the front snout of the crankshaft takes it's toll. A turbo engine will ultimately last longer.
How much would it cost to have a supercharger installed, on a 2018or 2019 Ford F-150 5.0 ? I live in Jacksonville ,Florida so would love to bring it to VMP to have it installed.
I would get my 1000 rwhp by a built motor and vmps gen 3 supercharger on e85 with long tube headers full exhaust and 1500 cc injectors with a upgrade fuel system. Because I'm not sure of the boost a pumps will be able to give enough fuel to the engine with out leaning it out. I would like to see if the supercharger is capable of 1200 rwhp. And don't forget the mantec clutch to handle all of this power. I have a 2012 gt500 5.4l engine. I also want to build the tr6060 transmission also.
I am team Superchargers i do not like Turbos Superchargers look way cooler under the hood in my opinion sound nicer and they are Instant power no Lag and that type of garbage. Great video man.
Turbos will blow past your superchargers on the top end on the big end which is the most important. No supercharger on earth looks cooler than a twin turbo setup. Not in my opinion anyway. A properly brake boosted or 2-stepped turbo vehicle will still blow past your supercharger on the lower-end also. It's not the turbos fault that the driver doesn't know how to drive. If you want ultimate power go turbo. Displacement is what matters and even the biggest over 4 liter superchargers can still be out displaced by turbos.
Idk hard to choose between both because for one if you go turbo,the sound of turbos spooling sounds awesome and you do get a lot of top end power but it really quiets down your exhaust,and with a supercharger you get full boost as soon as you put your foot down the pedal,and you still have all the exhaust noise but you don't get as good top end power compared to turbo charging your car. Like I said it's very hard to choose what I would go with
These 2650s have plenty of top end power. People need to stop thinking like supercharger means no top end that isn't the case with these modern blowers. As for turbo car being quiet I would run a complete straight exhaust with a turbo setup. Sounds badass. For a street car the tvs is alot better imo. If it's quarter mile car only you can ultimately go faster with turbos.
@@midnight347 when I wrote this I hadn’t seen a good supercharger that’ll give you good top end, but I’ve seen some crazy shit now in days with these newer super chargers making coyotes run in the 7’s and and making terminator cobras run 8’s with a 160+mph! I can’t believe whipple is making these new gt500’s put out 1500whp with the stock motor it’s fucking insanity!!!
Im not knocking superchargers either i expect the turbo setup to make that power on less boost Im just genuinely curious to what the difference for around the same power output
Both builds are very impressive would c16 make a big difference in the power #s on the turbo? Justin you have been doing a great job on providing interesting topics on the channel, thx!
On e85 you would be able to max out the turbos so to take advantage of c16 bigger compressors would be needed along with fuel system and other components and they didn't give boots numbers but I bet the psi is more on the turbo car than the supercharger car.
@@FourValveFox but with out seeing timing# boost# back pressure#egt#knock,air temp# it's all a guess and yes if they wanted to go all out the turbo car will make more power hands down.
Boost don’t kick in till 5500? Change the housing in the hot side to a slightly smaller to make it spool quicker you could prolly get full spool around 4500-4800
@@DUMONTSNIPER2 That's only true up to a certain extent. A turbo that is too big is a bigger detriment then it is a help. A turbo spooling at 5500 is not efficient.that's a turbo that should be pushed by something with about 6 liters. Either the hot side is too big or the entire turbo is too big. Modern ball bearing turbos should not be spooling at 5500.
@@DUMONTSNIPER2 Yeah I know, depends on the goals for the car but me personally I would not just raw dog a 5500 RPM spool. Now of course with good driving a lot of that can be mitigated. Brake boosting, anti lag etc can all help with that. Two step if you're running from a dig.. Personally though if I was going to run a turbo that large, I would also run nitrous as a stopgap until it spools, although nitrous would actually help it spool faster.
I just bought a 370Z sport coupe with the 6-speed manual transmission and was thinking that a nice supercharger with about 9 lbs of boost would be a good thing to do later on.
Hey Billy. With the Coyote, we're limited to right around 700+/- rwhp on 93 pump fuel. The knock resistance of 93 won't handle much, if anything more. With a return style fuel system and E85, you're opened up to 800rwhp and above.
Do 93 and boostane. Boostane is fairly convenient and the price isn't that bad (145 bucks for an 8 pack of premium on ebay) which is about 16 a bottle. One bottle per full tank. It will get you a decent bit of headroom above 93 only and you could prob Crack your goal with the right supporting mods. Adding 16 to each tank isnt that bad considering it turns 93 octane into 100 octane lol. It's like little over a dollar per gallon more which is a bargain plus like I said its convenient just keep a few in the trunk and add whenever you fill up. Pretty simple.
Love both builds, leaning towards a sc for the linear power but my question, although random, is where can I get a hood to show off the sc or an aftermarket intake manifold? Like the hood on the sc s550?
@vmp Great videos!! Now, who will outrun who? Gen 3 vs twin turbo setup?? Asking for a friend! Definitely getting a setup before the year ends but confused which one
Heat is a by-product of making HP. At the same HP, both systems generate the same amount of heat. How hot is that turbo when making boost? I bet a lot hotter than a S/C making the same boost.
Vernon Pitts TVS is almost as efficient as turbos in terms of heating up the charge air temperature per psi of boost, however, I’m guessing the TT setting make that 1k hp with less boost, means less heat to the engine charge air. I have a TVS myself btw, and in California weather you can definitely fell the power lost after driving for a while...
Is it safe to have that much horsepower in a convertible? I want to do mine, but afraid of traction issues and taking the fun out of driving the car if it slips on ya.
acceleration in more linear increase is better than one that goes up and down... Less chance of breaking traction without sudden rush/loss of power... Turbo performance shows a bumpy power band...
Think you guys at VMP can make a twin turbo and a supercharged build. Why not both? Best of both worlds, check out the lotus that has both pretty bad ass!
Hopefully in the near future I will be using a 2650 and e85 to get my 1000. For now I use a roush blower, cams, vmp throttle body, free flowing exhaust, and some other goodies to get where im going.
why the roush blower? theres' plenty of better SC'ers like that type, IE bigger whipples and KB's. The smaller the head unit you use, it has to spin faster = hotter IATs and getting closer to the unit efficiency. Not saying the roush is a bad one but I doubt it was designed for a 1k rwhp goal in mind.
J Manuel Villarreal ... I completely agree, which is why I am planning on changing to the 2650... My car had this supercharger on it when I bought it, at the time the 2300 was a normal swap for these...
I would set up a supercharger and a turbo supercharger kicks in and the beginning and I will program the turbo to kick in when the supercharger starts to fade so it's a Rocket Ride.
A properly sized turbo will have more headroom. A tiny one won't make the power. If it isn't an all out race car the tvs is easily the better choice especially for street cars. They can still go PLENTY fast and make PLENTY of power obviously. More trouble free it's just all around better for a street car like you said.
I feel like that difference in power is the parasitic loss in power from the supercharger. But I am also curious what these same kits would do on an F150 in a drag race launched in 4wd. I feel like the supercharged one would win but idk
I always use superchargers..i dont hit peak rpms all the time .its nice to just get that power instantly and do stupid shit right off the bat. Turbos just aren't that fun for me
Right but one makes little TQ and the other one makes LOTS of TQ..... on pump gas 93 octane. Anything will make a lot of power on E85 and the blower needs to be spun so fast and have a smallest pull to do so. Turbo..... jus turn the boost up or down. And one gets terrible heat-soak and one never gets heat-soak! With modern Turbo's they come on INSTANTLY!
These blowers are efficient they don't get "horrible heat soak". Turbos are known for running hot and making your engine bay hot af to the point people put blankets over them lol. These modern tvs blowers are not the stock blower on 03 cobras. They don't have "horrible heat soak" with proper cooling. I seen the gen3r ran near 800 wheel with a fairly small pulley on an older gt500 back to back to back and it was within 5 hp. That is pretty efficient. Turbos are more of a headache and less "trouble free" in nature. For an all out race car Turbos are better for a street car it's hard to beat the tvs.
@@midnight347 No bro Turbo's dont need blankets to keep heat from the engine bay they have blankets for thermal reasons for better spool up. learn what ur talking about before u start making claims that are almost comical. Ever hear of thermal coating..... Yea bro its pretty common these days wow. Turbo's absolutely DESTROY TVS blowers. Destroy them bro. There is ZERO headache with something that never gets heat soak and never slips a belt. Ive had one on my Turbo mustnag for 5 years now with ZERO issues.... I dont have to wait in the pits for 30 minutes waiting for my blower to kool down lmao
Is your car a full out race car? If not then what does it matter? Lol. On a street car the tvs is way better. Much more fun and more trouble free. People try to push a turbo car going 8.6 like that is supposed to validate it. If you're not trying to run 8s with YOUR car it is irrelevant.
@@midnight347 you must be a dumbass I can adjust my boost with turbos what I happen to get out Pop My Hood take off a pulley put another one on then return the m***********shut the f****** talking to me
in a quarter mile, the supercharged car would probably win but on a 1 mile drag, my money is on the twin turbo but at the end of the day, it all comes down to the driver
turbo= build boost supercharger=all boost at all times always supercharger is good for a daily cause youll feel the power regularly, twin turbos are good for insane power
Cool! Now let's see one with TTC and a Supercharger! In the past, I have heard that belt driven superchargers introduce unwanted harmonics into the crankshaft. Is that still true and how much of an issue is it if so?
@@Joe_Friday you don't see it much because it'll make less peak power than with turbos alone. It will however make a ton of torque and give you one badass power curve. With the power these blowers are making today you're better off just going that route if a wide powerband is what you want.
You know how, like you are racing someone and you got him off the line, and your like, wow I'm taking this guy pretty good. Then all of a sudden, he goes blowing by you? well, that's what my turbo's will do, just keep pulling and pulling. I have both blower and Turbo vehicles. I didn't hear anything about boost numbers, and or boost control settings, maybe i missed it. In your dyno results, it appears the blower gets some instant torque, and steady power, only to go flat in torque and stops short on horsepower where the turbo's didn't. I'd bet at the track the twin turbo gets a higher MPH and passes up the blower car. Have you ever run these two against another. Then you have weight in the scenario. In the end, they are both equally as fun to drive, just in different ways.
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I think the only problem is that I can’t afford neither Turbocharged nor the Supercharged. Both are amazing
Renato Gomes omg lol same here
Yea me either if only someone would sponsor my car for some freebies lol!!!!!
Get a better job lmaoo
Bro I'm telling you!
@@Youngsoldier93 hell I have a good job with pretty good pay, my situation just doesn't allow for much extra cash right now. You never know somebody's situation.
Those overlayed dyno charts tell me exactly why I want a blower!
How about show the top end and bottom end of the supercharger and not just the part that looks the best. My take on the debate is if you want to blow the tires off at every light and break parts fast get a supercharger. If you want leave a light fast and then blow the tires off at 70 mph and wreck the whole car get a turbo.
Its a s550... Nothing is gonna break. Thats why its an s550.
As for your argument there is some validity to it, but the turbo car in this example is kind of a bad example. The owner wants to have that late spool, and I'm guessing hes running low compression pistons hence the reason for the low power down low and that steep ramp up.
It's not the best combination from a strictly performance stand point but its gonna be a wild ride...
The vmp gen 3 is specifically designed to NOT lose high RPM power look at the torque curve. It's a monster of a blower. And works really well with the high reving nature of the coyote.
I also suspect they are running high compression pistons and lower boost. You make the same power but the throttle response is monsterous
@@3star2nr to add to your points people think supercharger means low end and no top end and turbos are the opposite but that isn't necessarily the case with either. Depends on the sizing relative to the motor and how efficient they are. The 2650 is very efficient and has killer power everywhere. A properly sized pair of turbos with good tuning can also have a wide powerband. Even with two small turbos with badass response it will never have the response that supercharger does. It literally feels na you never feel it "kick in" it kicks in when you kick the throttle down literally instantly. Makes it feel like a built out the ass big block with the drive ability of a stock coyote. What's not to like there? For an all out race built turbos are better for a street car the tvs is hard to beat but either can do well in either scenario set up properly. There's been some pretty fast tvs cars.
@@midnight347 I agree with this 100% both technology is fantastic and can be tailored to what u need.
I would supercharge the coyote just because the packaging is cleaner and simpler in the s550s tiny engine bay
@@3star2nr yea its easier to deal with and better for a street car imo. If you have a serious drag car the turbo prob works better.
@@midnight347 absolutely
Having had both an sc and turbo on the same car, I prefer turbo mostly due to boost control capability. The sc is beautifully simple though and in this respect will be desirable for many enthusiasts.
Look at VMP with the graphic illustrations!!! Nice!
S/C for sure. On the street, can't be beat. Instant max boost as low as 2k rpm.
Probably not going to hook up in a mustang , and overtime the supercharger destroys the motor wears out bearings and the engine has to work harder to make the power
In the 10-speed auto, a centrifugal SC or TT is where its at...they shine above 5000 rpm and under full throttle, rpm's don't dip below 6k in the 10A like a manual everytime you shift.
@@beararmshunt7498 SC F150 Coyote 4wd launch has no problems hooking. 😅
I wish I had the money for these huge power build., I for a stock engine prefer the Vortech due to it's progressive boost nature which is less harsh on components (stock engine). In my previous Mustang I had no problem keeping up with or beating positive displacement blown cars and they had issues with heat soak where I did not. This was in a 3V 2006 GT that ran 12.1@115 bone stock with a Vortech V2. There are pros and cons for everything so for my needs the Vortech will suffice, with a much bigger budget I'd go twin turbo and would love to go with VMP, their work is awesome.
The torque band on the dyno sheet is absolutely astonishing with that twin turbo flow! 😃
What's with the sharp uptick in power and torque at the end of the graph @ 3:24? Conveniently bumps the power of 1000 hp.
Eric Robison I’m guessing the car leans out a little bit with the stock fuel pump? 😂
I call BS on that reading and then using it like the car actually made those numbers.
@@superkillr Agree. I've seen that alot lately it seems. It's clearly an error and to use it and claim that power is ridiculous.
The twin turbo car is built to be a dyno queen, in real life I personally wouldnt use turbos with a trim like that. Smaller turbos are way better you want to fully spool by 3500. That will make more useable power...
I think between the two the vmp gen 3 is the better way to go. That torque curve is incredible... Thats a very very fast car! And just from looking at the curve more of the vehicle id want to drive.
Also having less parts makes the system cheaper overall to maintain and trouble shoot in the long run.
If you take the same exact engines, run the same boost, one on turbos and one with a S/C, the turbo engine will make more power every time. Both are cool but many don't realize the supercharger takes 150-180 HP to turn at high engine speeds, plus all the torsionals on the front snout of the crankshaft takes it's toll. A turbo engine will ultimately last longer.
93Cobra if everything else last long... high horsepower turbos hasn’t exactly made into the mainstream with miles to back it up
How much would it cost to have a supercharger installed, on a 2018or 2019 Ford F-150 5.0 ? I live in Jacksonville ,Florida so would love to bring it to VMP to have it installed.
@brian hartley we did one last month you are looking at 7-11k depending on options. It would be best to get with our sales team at 321-206-9369.
@@VMPPerformanceTV it's nice to see a company that actually gives a price on here instead of giving the "emails us" line.
Marcello Wheeler hell yea. Makes me wanna do business with them. They are honest about the price and what they do
VMPPerformance so 7k for installation plus 7k for the supercharger??
I would get my 1000 rwhp by a built motor and vmps gen 3 supercharger on e85 with long tube headers full exhaust and 1500 cc injectors with a upgrade fuel system. Because I'm not sure of the boost a pumps will be able to give enough fuel to the engine with out leaning it out. I would like to see if the supercharger is capable of 1200 rwhp. And don't forget the mantec clutch to handle all of this power. I have a 2012 gt500 5.4l engine. I also want to build the tr6060 transmission also.
I am team Superchargers i do not like Turbos Superchargers look way cooler under the hood in my opinion sound nicer and they are Instant power no Lag and that type of garbage. Great video man.
Appreciate it!
Plus 800 torque at 3,500rpm turbos arnt doing that until they spool
Turbos will blow past your superchargers on the top end on the big end which is the most important.
No supercharger on earth looks cooler than a twin turbo setup. Not in my opinion anyway.
A properly brake boosted or 2-stepped turbo vehicle will still blow past your supercharger on the lower-end also. It's not the turbos fault that the driver doesn't know how to drive.
If you want ultimate power go turbo. Displacement is what matters and even the biggest over 4 liter superchargers can still be out displaced by turbos.
manrightchea I disagree strongly with you buddy Supercharger bye bye turbo fan boy.
@@Nick-1992-SRB If you disagree strongly, that just means you haven't raced enough good turbo drivers. Keyword being good.
My v6 4.2 has a turbo.
For the coyote went with a vmp gen 2.
Will be more than enough for a street car. Cleaner install
Turbo for life. Especially on a Coyote.
Idk hard to choose between both because for one if you go turbo,the sound of turbos spooling sounds awesome and you do get a lot of top end power but it really quiets down your exhaust,and with a supercharger you get full boost as soon as you put your foot down the pedal,and you still have all the exhaust noise but you don't get as good top end power compared to turbo charging your car. Like I said it's very hard to choose what I would go with
These 2650s have plenty of top end power. People need to stop thinking like supercharger means no top end that isn't the case with these modern blowers. As for turbo car being quiet I would run a complete straight exhaust with a turbo setup. Sounds badass. For a street car the tvs is alot better imo. If it's quarter mile car only you can ultimately go faster with turbos.
@@midnight347 when I wrote this I hadn’t seen a good supercharger that’ll give you good top end, but I’ve seen some crazy shit now in days with these newer super chargers making coyotes run in the 7’s and and making terminator cobras run 8’s with a 160+mph! I can’t believe whipple is making these new gt500’s put out 1500whp with the stock motor it’s fucking insanity!!!
Planning on getting a VMP Supercharger 3R working on the build now 2011 grabber blue California special
Awesome!
How much boost was the turbo car on vs the supercharged one?
I would like to know that also
Steven Gt the supercharger was done on a 63 mm pulley I believe so about 22 pounds I’m guessing
Im not knocking superchargers either i expect the turbo setup to make that power on less boost Im just genuinely curious to what the difference for around the same power output
I'm curious here too. . Turbo's make that on less boost.
2:55 to see the dyno results of each car.
Both builds are very impressive would c16 make a big difference in the power #s on the turbo? Justin you have been doing a great job on providing interesting topics on the channel, thx!
On e85 you would be able to max out the turbos so to take advantage of c16 bigger compressors would be needed along with fuel system and other components and they didn't give boots numbers but I bet the psi is more on the turbo car than the supercharger car.
@@anthonyp.harvey5985 thx definitely something to consider when looking at the #'s
@@anthonyp.harvey5985 the Boost will be less on the turbo car. If they both had EcoBoost the turbo would make more on-peak power
@@anthonyp.harvey5985 and those 67's aren't even close to maxing out. On that set up they will make a boat 1600 wHP at 35 PSI
@@FourValveFox but with out seeing timing# boost# back pressure#egt#knock,air temp# it's all a guess and yes if they wanted to go all out the turbo car will make more power hands down.
Boost don’t kick in till 5500? Change the housing in the hot side to a slightly smaller to make it spool quicker you could prolly get full spool around 4500-4800
Is most likely improperly sized..no modern turbo should take that long. The hot side must be way too big or the turbo itself is too big.
Bigger turbo, takes longer to spool but more power...
@@DUMONTSNIPER2 That's only true up to a certain extent. A turbo that is too big is a bigger detriment then it is a help. A turbo spooling at 5500 is not efficient.that's a turbo that should be pushed by something with about 6 liters.
Either the hot side is too big or the entire turbo is too big. Modern ball bearing turbos should not be spooling at 5500.
@@manrightchea stock power band is 4k-5krpm and stock max rpm is 7000, get some right tunes, and it will be no problem.
@@DUMONTSNIPER2 Yeah I know, depends on the goals for the car but me personally I would not just raw dog a 5500 RPM spool. Now of course with good driving a lot of that can be mitigated. Brake boosting, anti lag etc can all help with that. Two step if you're running from a dig..
Personally though if I was going to run a turbo that large, I would also run nitrous as a stopgap until it spools, although nitrous would actually help it spool faster.
Whats the tubro used in this video??
I just bought a 370Z sport coupe with the 6-speed manual transmission and was thinking that a nice supercharger with about 9 lbs of boost would be a good thing to do later on.
NOOO TURBO!!! IMPORTS ARE TURBO MAINS!
A VQ engine is badass supercharged but make better power turbo'd enjoy the whip!
I love the gen3r for boost.. twins turbos are nice too...what can I do to my 2016 mustang gt premium to make 800hp on pump gas? Is that possible?
Hey Billy. With the Coyote, we're limited to right around 700+/- rwhp on 93 pump fuel. The knock resistance of 93 won't handle much, if anything more. With a return style fuel system and E85, you're opened up to 800rwhp and above.
Do 93 and boostane. Boostane is fairly convenient and the price isn't that bad (145 bucks for an 8 pack of premium on ebay) which is about 16 a bottle. One bottle per full tank. It will get you a decent bit of headroom above 93 only and you could prob Crack your goal with the right supporting mods. Adding 16 to each tank isnt that bad considering it turns 93 octane into 100 octane lol. It's like little over a dollar per gallon more which is a bargain plus like I said its convenient just keep a few in the trunk and add whenever you fill up. Pretty simple.
Love both builds, leaning towards a sc for the linear power but my question, although random, is where can I get a hood to show off the sc or an aftermarket intake manifold? Like the hood on the sc s550?
The one we have is custom, trust me, we tried to get them to make it
@@VMPPerformanceTV Man that's kick ass. Hopefully I can find a company to do the same for me
@vmp Great videos!! Now, who will outrun who? Gen 3 vs twin turbo setup?? Asking for a friend! Definitely getting a setup before the year ends but confused which one
Can't beat the TQ of a PD blower, and the new Gen3R isn't bad in the HP department either :D.
@@VMPPerformanceTV 👍👍👍 is there competition that you all are aware of that's putting those numbers down on dyno!? Or is the vmp the king so to speak!
Could you please tell me which system creates more heat to the engine?
Heat is a by-product of making HP. At the same HP, both systems generate the same amount of heat. How hot is that turbo when making boost? I bet a lot hotter than a S/C making the same boost.
Vernon Pitts TVS is almost as efficient as turbos in terms of heating up the charge air temperature per psi of boost, however, I’m guessing the TT setting make that 1k hp with less boost, means less heat to the engine charge air. I have a TVS myself btw, and in California weather you can definitely fell the power lost after driving for a while...
Was the supercharged engine fully rebuilt as well?
Odin or turbo ???
Would've liked to see these two setups on the same fuel and know how much boost each setup is running.
Track attack will be getting an E85 system in the future. The turbo kit was at 18-19psi and the supercharger at 20-22psi.
I like the Gen 3, but i'm looking at using either the 3.8 or 4.2 Kenne Bell LC Supercharger
What was that smoke from the front of the engine around @3:00
It was from the pcv catch can
Is it safe to have that much horsepower in a convertible? I want to do mine, but afraid of traction issues and taking the fun out of driving the car if it slips on ya.
If you're asking that question this power level probably isn't for you lol. These modern cars are very safe but a vert can only be so safe.
Which one is street legal with executive order numbers?
2:55
Turbo=1031hp 878tq
Supercharger=1020hp 847tq
acceleration in more linear increase is better than one that goes up and down... Less chance of breaking traction without sudden rush/loss of power... Turbo performance shows a bumpy power band...
I would love to see this same graph overlay with a new Gen. 3R
Think you guys at VMP can make a twin turbo and a supercharged build. Why not both? Best of both worlds, check out the lotus that has both pretty bad ass!
What hood has the see through window?
The hood is a Cervini custom hood with active air extractors and Plexiglas sight window.
wish those shirts were for sale on the website :C
Hopefully in the near future I will be using a 2650 and e85 to get my 1000. For now I use a roush blower, cams, vmp throttle body, free flowing exhaust, and some other goodies to get where im going.
why the roush blower? theres' plenty of better SC'ers like that type, IE bigger whipples and KB's. The smaller the head unit you use, it has to spin faster = hotter IATs and getting closer to the unit efficiency. Not saying the roush is a bad one but I doubt it was designed for a 1k rwhp goal in mind.
J Manuel Villarreal ... I completely agree, which is why I am planning on changing to the 2650... My car had this supercharger on it when I bought it, at the time the 2300 was a normal swap for these...
@@freedomjunky6198 what will the cost be for the upgrade including labor?
Joe Friday ... great question, maybe @VMPPerformance can weigh in and tell us?
Made my 4 digits w a paxton and some E85 on my 2011 stang!! Love it and im upgrading to the vortech JT-B this winter then watch the f@$k out lol
What hood is that on the VMP supercharged mustang?
It's a custom Cervini's hood.
is not it possible to make 1xxx whp by using twin g25-660 turbos so that cars would have much area under torque curve compared to twin 6466 turbos
Why not run e85 with the supercharger to make 1000 hp ? Not a expert just wanting some knowledge!
I would set up a supercharger and a turbo supercharger kicks in and the beginning and I will program the turbo to kick in when the supercharger starts to fade so it's a Rocket Ride.
?the insta tq on a PD car is awesome, turbo will always have more headroom. street car? blower all day
A properly sized turbo will have more headroom. A tiny one won't make the power. If it isn't an all out race car the tvs is easily the better choice especially for street cars. They can still go PLENTY fast and make PLENTY of power obviously. More trouble free it's just all around better for a street car like you said.
I feel like that difference in power is the parasitic loss in power from the supercharger. But I am also curious what these same kits would do on an F150 in a drag race launched in 4wd. I feel like the supercharged one would win but idk
I thought we were going to see a race
fyi the blower car did not make 1020hp it made like 980 the spike at the end is just you spiking the dyno at the end (y)
I always use superchargers..i dont hit peak rpms all the time .its nice to just get that power instantly and do stupid shit right off the bat. Turbos just aren't that fun for me
Vmp supercharger all the way!!! I have the vmp gen 2.3 want to go with the 3 soon tho
take it up 1 more notch and get the 3 R
Right but one makes little TQ and the other one makes LOTS of TQ..... on pump gas 93 octane. Anything will make a lot of power on E85 and the blower needs to be spun so fast and have a smallest pull to do so. Turbo..... jus turn the boost up or down. And one gets terrible heat-soak and one never gets heat-soak! With modern Turbo's they come on INSTANTLY!
These blowers are efficient they don't get "horrible heat soak". Turbos are known for running hot and making your engine bay hot af to the point people put blankets over them lol. These modern tvs blowers are not the stock blower on 03 cobras. They don't have "horrible heat soak" with proper cooling. I seen the gen3r ran near 800 wheel with a fairly small pulley on an older gt500 back to back to back and it was within 5 hp. That is pretty efficient.
Turbos are more of a headache and less "trouble free" in nature. For an all out race car Turbos are better for a street car it's hard to beat the tvs.
@@midnight347 No bro Turbo's dont need blankets to keep heat from the engine bay they have blankets for thermal reasons for better spool up. learn what ur talking about before u start making claims that are almost comical. Ever hear of thermal coating..... Yea bro its pretty common these days wow.
Turbo's absolutely DESTROY TVS blowers. Destroy them bro. There is ZERO headache with something that never gets heat soak and never slips a belt. Ive had one on my Turbo mustnag for 5 years now with ZERO issues....
I dont have to wait in the pits for 30 minutes waiting for my blower to kool down lmao
What happened to the BurnOutBox this week???
Burnout Box was live this week from the track at No Mercy - can be seen on Facebook.
@@VMPPerformanceTV why not on TH-cam??? I hate Facebook...
@@anthonyp.harvey5985there were streaming limitations at the track.
@@anthonyp.harvey5985 I'll see if we can pull the video from FB and add to YT as well.-Kerrie
@@VMPPerformanceTVThanks Kerrie that would be great if not that's ok I'll catch the next episode.
Cash = Horse Power Top Shelf Parts, VMP Awesome Guys.
Thanks!
Fun fact the fastest 2018 mustag GT 10r80 is a Twin turbo yes it has a stock engine the car did 8.6 no supercharged 18 GT has came close to that
Probably because no one with a supercharger has tried.
Is your car a full out race car? If not then what does it matter? Lol. On a street car the tvs is way better. Much more fun and more trouble free. People try to push a turbo car going 8.6 like that is supposed to validate it. If you're not trying to run 8s with YOUR car it is irrelevant.
@@midnight347 you must be a dumbass I can adjust my boost with turbos what I happen to get out Pop My Hood take off a pulley put another one on then return the m***********shut the f****** talking to me
in a quarter mile, the supercharged car would probably win but on a 1 mile drag, my money is on the twin turbo but at the end of the day, it all comes down to the driver
Dude, you're forgetting that Turbo guys have ways of building boost off the line at a track.
Instent power and more reliable supercharger for sure
Supercharger not exactly reliable either. It just look more simple.
turbo= build boost supercharger=all boost at all times always
supercharger is good for a daily cause youll feel the power regularly, twin turbos are good for insane power
It's not just for "daily" it's good for any street car weather or not it's your daily is irrelevant lol.
daily, tvs all day. look at the tq, no comparison!
I own 3 turbo vehicles and 1 VMP Gen3 powered Coyote. There is something to be said about the instant torque a TVS provides.
LMFAO sure you do come to Houston with that vmp supercharger
@@fread51 why? I'm not the one here with something to prove. You can go play with your boy Shawn and all his RaCeCaR F150's and Tauruses.
For 1/4 mile, supercharger.. For highway races, turbos!!
Turbos are also more finicky whereas Superchargers are more forgiving and simple.
I'm liking the vmp gen 3 with the vmp heat exchanger gotta love the diesel like torque!!! 😀
You should try one on an 07-14 gt500. Talk about torque monsters. Those long stroke mod motors get down in the torque department.
nice and then you get a gigantic jump in torque and horsepower at the shift so everything is at breaking point for Superchargers power maxed
My dudes,
The only answer to the question of "supercharger or turbocharger?" is...
*_BOTH_*
Shit you right
Who would’ve guessed that two turbos rated at 900 a piece would have less torque than a VMP blower?
I like to make my hp by using NOZZ lol jk. I would rather a blower, more specifically a vmp blower for my 2018 mustang GT when y'all drop them.
Cool! Now let's see one with TTC and a Supercharger!
In the past, I have heard that belt driven superchargers introduce unwanted harmonics into the crankshaft. Is that still true and how much of an issue is it if so?
WHY NOT BOTH? 😎
Ortak Bizkurt having only one is more efficient, why would you compress air in two steps if you can do it in one
I've heard of twincharger setups though you don't see it much.
Terminator + Hellion = Hellraiser
@@Joe_Friday you don't see it much because it'll make less peak power than with turbos alone. It will however make a ton of torque and give you one badass power curve. With the power these blowers are making today you're better off just going that route if a wide powerband is what you want.
I need more so 427w world block, trickflow Edelbrock SC1s, solid roller cam, twin 83mm turbos 2000+ hp, very expensive comment.
Very idiotic comment.
very idiotic comment
You know how, like you are racing someone and you got him off the line, and your like, wow I'm taking this guy pretty good. Then all of a sudden, he goes blowing by you? well, that's what my turbo's will do, just keep pulling and pulling. I have both blower and Turbo vehicles. I didn't hear anything about boost numbers, and or boost control settings, maybe i missed it. In your dyno results, it appears the blower gets some instant torque, and steady power, only to go flat in torque and stops short on horsepower where the turbo's didn't. I'd bet at the track the twin turbo gets a higher MPH and passes up the blower car. Have you ever run these two against another. Then you have weight in the scenario. In the end, they are both equally as fun to drive, just in different ways.
Both but mainly turbo
Im going with twins because most people don't have a twin turbo 441 zl1 haha
1000hp sounds terrifying honestly
Terrifying...ly fun?
I'll make power by buying a 351 Windsor engine and doing a rebuild and adding 60 pound injectors heads, pistons
That gen3R made over 1000rwhp. It's now 2024 and their rebranded Whipple makes over 1000 rwhp. Not much difference.
Those dyno graphs look really weird.
#1 problem is I can't afford a mustang lol. I have a turbo slowbalt though ;p.
Ordered my tune only to not receive for over 3 weeks. Customers don't matter. I can tell they lost the care they used to put into work.
Hey @VegasDCrazy, I can tell you that taking care of customers tune orders is very important to us. We are currently running 5-7 days for new tune orders and 48hrs for revisions. If yours took longer I am very sorry about that and we would like to make it up to you, please contact us.
Just bought a Honda with vtec, easy 1,000 hp
I like the Procharger better.easy to install and less money
I'm team turbos. Lag? ever heard of brake boosting and anti-lag
My money is on the SC if they are similar in power. SC will win in the race.
SHOW NE YOUR TT's!!!
Now the thing is what is the price differences? Lol.
VMP III
superchargers for domestic turbos for import :D
Big fail here not showing a 1/4 race between these two cars.
It is not VMPs duty as an aftermarket supplier and tuner to race their customers or employees cars
nice fake spike at the end of the sc car. It still nice at the real 960ish whp.
the doesn't show exactly what we need to show.. A FKN HEAD TO HEAD
Supercharger
turbo sucks, look at the torque curve its about 4 times higher at start with supercharger.
lol at the dyno graphs
they both are bad and the supercharged one is a joke. he jumped in the last 10RPM
You look like backyard scientist but, the features are all slightly shifted