Looks like the Gen 2R & Gen 3 will be sufficient for 90% of the people out there. The Gen 3R is more for the folks that's wanting a max effort build, putting down 4 digit HP numbers to the wheels easily with forged rotating assembly and better fuel.. Street/Strip car = Gen 2R & 3, Competitive Drag/Roll Racing = Gen 3R.
Hey Justin rusty in Australia here, mate track attack is the most awesome stock mustang running around anywhere the U.S even here in the small seaside town I live in on the east coast of Oz has 5 late model Mustangs running around, track attack shits all over em, I still want to buy it someday & ship it back here for some fun in the sun. Those numbers for the gen 3R are amazing Justin it's hard to believe it's stock. Love the car & the channel Justin have a great day buddy. RustyinOz
Only way I can get one right now is. Wishing that I run into a VMP blower at a garage sale. Hoping the elder lady selling it has no idea what it is, & sells it to me dirt cheap. 🤙🏼 🤷🏻♂️
Yes, don't try this at home, we are keeping the revs low to deal with the fuel pressure drop off. When we put in the fuel system we will push it to 8k!
Track Attack was a completely stock Gen 2 engine at this time and all the way up until we fully Predator swapped it (complete Predator engine from pan to blower). You can find those videos related to the swap here on our TH-cam channel as well!
@@VMPPerformanceTV cool. I’m trying to determine can I turn it up a lil and be ok. I have a Gen 2 block in my 2013 GT with the GEN3R on it on 79mm and e85 at 837 wheel. Looking at 137mm TB and bigger CAI
One of the larger concerns for stock bottom ends is the piston ring gaps. As you turn them up and make more power, you produce more heat. This heat can cause expansion and eventually close the ring gap. If that happens, it kills a piston ring land. There's a ton of variables such as timing, fuel quality, etc that go into that equation. We've seen very mild set ups come apart and we've seen stock bottom ends make tons of power. Your best bet is to coordinate with your tuner directly who can review logs and tightly monitor your engine's performance via those logs. We would typically say you're approaching the limit of a Gen 2 for a usable and reliable level. They can make big numbers, but it comes down to "how many times" it can make that number and stay together as you get higher and higher. A TB and CAI shouldn't hurt you much in regards to longevity.
We could compare it to other PD blowers, but that would get some other manufacturers panties in a wad, so we just compare our latest and greatest to our previous generation. Most of you have seen what a Gen3R will do max effort, we figure it won't hurt to show what it will do without going all the way.
Not an apples to apples comparison on this particular application. Track attack has a fuel system and various other supporting mods, allowing us to push it further. On an otherwise stock car utilizing pump 93 octane, you will see very similar results from both head units with a slight cooling advantage to Odin with it's twin intercooler cores.
It is our VMP undehood ice tank for '15-'17 Mustang Gt you can find them at this link on our website - www.vmpperformance.com/VMP-underhood-ice-tank-for-supercharged-11-14-Mustang-GT-5.0L_2
If you run E50 you need to upgrade the fuel system or keep boost very very low, say 12psi/85mm or 88mm pulley. The good thing, at that level, the car still takes a ton of timing.
Hold on yalll.... So an 85mm pulley on the VMP Gen3R supercharger on a stock motor 5% overdrive, made frigging 858RWHP😳😳... Is that right... & I just bought this super charger I'm mating to my LS2 6.0, GM... yes that's right, I said what I said... But I just bought this supercharger, a 82mm pulley and a 10% overdrive, haven't even gotten outta the mail yet🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️... Stock bottom end... Boy do I feel goofy.... I think I'm wayyy over charged.... 15lbs of boost.... What pulley mm size would you recommend that'll get that boost down to say 9-11lbs guys???.... All I want is 666Rwhp... Maaaybe 700??? @VMPPERFORMANCE
Maybe that will be the warmup for when we break the internet? In our experience, you can expect to see 20-30rwhp gain for each pulley size, in the 82-63mm range, the Gen3R is very very efficient, that is why the gain is so large from just one pulley size.
How is picking up 34 hp freakn awesome? So for $4200 I pick up 34 hp? Bro only about 10% of the country has access to E85 so that's not really a wise decision for anyone to make. Considering 90% of ur customers run 91 or 93 pump gas its kinda a waste imo. Needs to more of a significant gain for ppl to buy this. Most costumers could likely pick up 34 hp with some exhaust dumps!
DANTE BELGIAN MALINOIS Your not seeing the picture here. It’s efficiency alone gained that 34hp. That will make a huge difference on ethanol and max effort situations. For ex: Alejandro Flores put a video of up just like this but a GT500 running more boost. Pickup up little over 100whp just from blower swap. Again same pulley, timing, etc. Given it’s the same rotor pack that’s impressive numbers. The bigger the power, the more the 3R will shine.
I think you are missing the point here. This test was just done to show Gen 3 vs Gen 3R on relatively "low-ish" boost and the same pulley as compared with some of the other tests we have shown. Our intention with this supercharger wasn't to get everyone that currently has a Gen 3 supercharger to buy a Gen 3R. It was just to do everything we could to get as much as possible out of our supercharger from a casting with the same Eaton 2.65L rotors. If you are running baby boost and pump gas there is very little utility to spending $4200 just to upgrade from the older Gen 3. But if you are purchasing a brand new kit, the difference in price is pennies on the dollar and it makes sense. Or if you have a max effort set-up and you need the extra 30-100 HP it makes sense to sell your old blower and buy this one(which brings net $$$ spent down well below $4200).
@@gforce_117 exactly...some people just dont get it...just like with na cars running cj intakes...oh it just gains 20 whp for 2 grand thats crazy blah blah...what they dont understand is it extends the powerband and greatly improves the average power produced during a wot 1/4 mile run or a wot roll race or what have you and it makes the car significantly faster than with a stock manifold. Once you do cams at least l&m intake only cams the cj gains that much more and works that much better together makes both the cj and the cams work better than either would alone without the other. I think its impressive as hell to pick up 34 wheel with the exact same setup otherwise and this is being compared to a gen3 which is also an awesome blower so that is impressive in my eyes. It probably picks up 30ish through the better part of the latter half of the powerband which makes the gains under the curve even more impressive...too many people just look at peak to peak numbers and dont realize the effects these things has on the car actually going faster which is the ultimate goal
Wow...... efficiency of 34 HP for $4100 yea sounds like GREAT investment smfh THIS is exactly why ppl go TURBO!!!!! Blowers are lame and hit ceiling really fast!
The Track attack is one my favorite cars can't wait to see it in person sometime
Saw her at the American Muscle Car Show. Beautiful car!
blue_devil5.0 Dude it’s beautiful in person. The paint and the way it’s done is tasteful and amazing in my opinion
@@mx5jay891 damn now I really want to see it lol
blue_devil5.0 Lmao it’s a cool car, hopefully you can soon man!
I can't wait to bring you my 16 GT for a gen 3r. Hopefully this Christmas on your black Friday sale.
Looks like the Gen 2R & Gen 3 will be sufficient for 90% of the people out there. The Gen 3R is more for the folks that's wanting a max effort build, putting down 4 digit HP numbers to the wheels easily with forged rotating assembly and better fuel.. Street/Strip car = Gen 2R & 3, Competitive Drag/Roll Racing = Gen 3R.
Hey Justin rusty in Australia here, mate track attack is the most awesome stock mustang running around anywhere the U.S even here in the small seaside town I live in on the east coast of Oz has 5 late model Mustangs running around, track attack shits all over em, I still want to buy it someday & ship it back here for some fun in the sun. Those numbers for the gen 3R are amazing Justin it's hard to believe it's stock. Love the car & the channel Justin have a great day buddy. RustyinOz
How far out is the idea for a gen3 for the 18/19's?
We are working on the 18-19 kit options like crazy here at VMP.
Can you use a 82mm upper with original idler pully?
Can we see more videos surrounding the Gen3 on the Gen 3 Mustang?
Only way I can get one right now is. Wishing that I run into a VMP blower at a garage sale. Hoping the elder lady selling it has no idea what it is, & sells it to me dirt cheap. 🤙🏼 🤷🏻♂️
Do you plan on providing a GEN three type R blower for the 04 Cobra?
Much will consider on how much serious interest there is.
When are you going to make a supercharger for a hen 3 coyote
Awesome numbers
Awesome vid Justin! Just wondering if track attack is running LT headers no cats, and what injectors are currently utilized?
damn i need this on my 16!
Stock fuel sys making 850+? That's wild. Id1050x and boost a pump I'm guessing?
Yes, don't try this at home, we are keeping the revs low to deal with the fuel pressure drop off. When we put in the fuel system we will push it to 8k!
Wish a Gen 3R was available for the 03/04 Cobra but I'll be fine w/ the Gen 3 once I get a Terminator
We've got a batch of ported Gen3s coming back soon, they add a little cost, but the performance gains are great.
I’m still waiting on my free vmp super charger , I cleaned off a nice place on my windshield for a sticker😂😁
So Track attack was a completely stock 5.0 gen 2 motor? No ported heads or head studs added? No cams? Just straight up stock? That's great power.
Track Attack was a completely stock Gen 2 engine at this time and all the way up until we fully Predator swapped it (complete Predator engine from pan to blower). You can find those videos related to the swap here on our TH-cam channel as well!
@@VMPPerformanceTV cool. I’m trying to determine can I turn it up a lil and be ok. I have a Gen 2 block in my 2013 GT with the GEN3R on it on 79mm and e85 at 837 wheel. Looking at 137mm TB and bigger CAI
One of the larger concerns for stock bottom ends is the piston ring gaps. As you turn them up and make more power, you produce more heat. This heat can cause expansion and eventually close the ring gap. If that happens, it kills a piston ring land. There's a ton of variables such as timing, fuel quality, etc that go into that equation. We've seen very mild set ups come apart and we've seen stock bottom ends make tons of power. Your best bet is to coordinate with your tuner directly who can review logs and tightly monitor your engine's performance via those logs.
We would typically say you're approaching the limit of a Gen 2 for a usable and reliable level. They can make big numbers, but it comes down to "how many times" it can make that number and stay together as you get higher and higher. A TB and CAI shouldn't hurt you much in regards to longevity.
Bare with me, a new SC for only ~30 whp?
A new pully upper and lower and a tune will get the same #s ?
We could compare it to other PD blowers, but that would get some other manufacturers panties in a wad, so we just compare our latest and greatest to our previous generation. Most of you have seen what a Gen3R will do max effort, we figure it won't hurt to show what it will do without going all the way.
@@VMPPerformanceTV
Good stuff, any plans to get duel inlet SC like the ones on Mercedes Benz ?
Or the intake routing will give you a headache ?
Are you guys going to make any supercharger for the 18 and 19 mustangs
Absolutely, information will be forthcoming.
This seems to make more power than the Odin ?
Not an apples to apples comparison on this particular application. Track attack has a fuel system and various other supporting mods, allowing us to push it further. On an otherwise stock car utilizing pump 93 octane, you will see very similar results from both head units with a slight cooling advantage to Odin with it's twin intercooler cores.
@@VMPPerformanceTV cooler is better ! Odin is the go to choice now.
Looking forward to upgrading to the R
Selling your sc?
@@vovkhomeimprovement5215 yes im upgrading to the Gen 3R
do you have anything for 5.0 fox body
Coyote swap it and you are in..
The gen3R makes me wanna sell my Paxton 😐😂 and I’ve only had it for a month 💀
I interested in your paxton. Yv604@yahoo.com
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Cookymunster I’m with you on that lol
Which ice tank is that
I been looking for one for my 2015 roush supercharger
It is our VMP undehood ice tank for '15-'17 Mustang Gt you can find them at this link on our website - www.vmpperformance.com/VMP-underhood-ice-tank-for-supercharged-11-14-Mustang-GT-5.0L_2
VMPPerformance thanks I appreciate it
That's awesome this fall I'm gonna have to jump on it, VMP let's push the limits of E50 so how much power we make before I run out of fuel
If you run E50 you need to upgrade the fuel system or keep boost very very low, say 12psi/85mm or 88mm pulley. The good thing, at that level, the car still takes a ton of timing.
@@VMPPerformanceTV could I get away with dropping in a universal 525LPH walbro pump and mating it with ur guys boostapump
How long till i can get a blower for my 2018?
We will be releasing details over the coming weeks, it is being worked on, like maddd!
Hold on yalll.... So an 85mm pulley on the VMP Gen3R supercharger on a stock motor 5% overdrive, made frigging 858RWHP😳😳... Is that right... & I just bought this super charger I'm mating to my LS2 6.0, GM... yes that's right, I said what I said... But I just bought this supercharger, a 82mm pulley and a 10% overdrive, haven't even gotten outta the mail yet🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️... Stock bottom end... Boy do I feel goofy.... I think I'm wayyy over charged.... 15lbs of boost.... What pulley mm size would you recommend that'll get that boost down to say 9-11lbs guys???.... All I want is 666Rwhp... Maaaybe 700??? @VMPPERFORMANCE
Please do a 82 mm pulley test on gen3r
Maybe that will be the warmup for when we break the internet? In our experience, you can expect to see 20-30rwhp gain for each pulley size, in the 82-63mm range, the Gen3R is very very efficient, that is why the gain is so large from just one pulley size.
@@VMPPerformanceTV I'm running your gen 3 now on my 16gt with 82 and 5% lower. Dyno at 822 WHP on 93 and boostane tuned by Joe
@@VMPPerformanceTV looking to see how much potentially can I get from your new blower on 93 boostane and 82 mm pulley
@@KPY4EHET how come they let you use 93 and boostane they told me if i wanted to use an 82 mm id have to use e85
justin whats the best compression if i want 800 900 on pump gas i have a gen3r supercharger im thinking 10.1
Maximum HRSPRS!
How is picking up 34 hp freakn awesome? So for $4200 I pick up 34 hp? Bro only about 10% of the country has access to E85 so that's not really a wise decision for anyone to make. Considering 90% of ur customers run 91 or 93 pump gas its kinda a waste imo. Needs to more of a significant gain for ppl to buy this. Most costumers could likely pick up 34 hp with some exhaust dumps!
Pmas 149 and some fuel booster would do about the same lol or even cams would add 30hp
DANTE BELGIAN MALINOIS
Your not seeing the picture here. It’s efficiency alone gained that 34hp. That will make a huge difference on ethanol and max effort situations. For ex: Alejandro Flores put a video of up just like this but a GT500 running more boost. Pickup up little over 100whp just from blower swap. Again same pulley, timing, etc.
Given it’s the same rotor pack that’s impressive numbers. The bigger the power, the more the 3R will shine.
I think you are missing the point here. This test was just done to show Gen 3 vs Gen 3R on relatively "low-ish" boost and the same pulley as compared with some of the other tests we have shown. Our intention with this supercharger wasn't to get everyone that currently has a Gen 3 supercharger to buy a Gen 3R. It was just to do everything we could to get as much as possible out of our supercharger from a casting with the same Eaton 2.65L rotors. If you are running baby boost and pump gas there is very little utility to spending $4200 just to upgrade from the older Gen 3. But if you are purchasing a brand new kit, the difference in price is pennies on the dollar and it makes sense. Or if you have a max effort set-up and you need the extra 30-100 HP it makes sense to sell your old blower and buy this one(which brings net $$$ spent down well below $4200).
@@gforce_117 exactly...some people just dont get it...just like with na cars running cj intakes...oh it just gains 20 whp for 2 grand thats crazy blah blah...what they dont understand is it extends the powerband and greatly improves the average power produced during a wot 1/4 mile run or a wot roll race or what have you and it makes the car significantly faster than with a stock manifold. Once you do cams at least l&m intake only cams the cj gains that much more and works that much better together makes both the cj and the cams work better than either would alone without the other. I think its impressive as hell to pick up 34 wheel with the exact same setup otherwise and this is being compared to a gen3 which is also an awesome blower so that is impressive in my eyes. It probably picks up 30ish through the better part of the latter half of the powerband which makes the gains under the curve even more impressive...too many people just look at peak to peak numbers and dont realize the effects these things has on the car actually going faster which is the ultimate goal
Wow...... efficiency of 34 HP for $4100 yea sounds like GREAT investment smfh THIS is exactly why ppl go TURBO!!!!! Blowers are lame and hit ceiling really fast!