There's no way this dude's a pro. All professional electricians in my area. Never throw anything in a box. They just drop it on the ground for someone else to pick up
@@saywhat6632that’s the point. It’s not attached to anything else, therefore, electrons will look for their own path. And the painted fixture bonded exclusively through the mounting screws offers too much resistance to clear a fault
Real pro gets the cabinet detail first and island layout at rough time, then charges again at trim to move them to be the exact location where the designer moved the island to!!
I wouldn’t call him a hack. I always ground the box but once everything is up all the metal pieces with be grounded . Also. The canopy might add enough volume to let 2 -14s in there
When I use to go to work with my dad I always would build spaceships out of wire nuts, the little wings make them look like a tiny rocket ship lol. I went to work from age 4-14, worked in the summer and got paid and I gained tremendous skills
@@christopherrudd1229 Table 314.16(B) 14 gauge wire is 2.00 cu in 2 cu in hot 2 cu in neutral 2 cu in for the grounds up to four wires 2+2+2=6 Romex connector doesn’t count. Pancake is good for 6.00 cu in. Nothing more can be installed. Only one 14/2 romex is permitted.
The way we get around it for inspection is we use an extension ring when we have 2 hits for the rough to get our clearance but at finish they come off and get used on the next one
Just a word to the wise I would cover that peninsula.... If scratched could probably be fixed with a service call but that's not a cheap replacement and some customers will try and take advantage
I did a bunch of work for a family friend for free. Hanging drywall, insulation, and installing lights/fitting trim. The whole time I talked about how useful a laser level would be for hitting studs when hanging drywall, and after we finished, I found one in the mess of tools the guy we were doing work for had.
I'm guessing that there is an open attic above those because you didn't fish those electrical cables out through that half inch hole without damaging that drywall
Industrial electrician here. I cannot even tell you how many of those tan Ideal wire nuts I have used over the years. Many thousands. I use the Ideal orange ones for smaller wire.
That’s what the builders want. They want these cookie cutter houses done as fast as possible and what he did right there and shares as fast as possible. Yeah I know it’s no legal pancake illegal, blah blah blah too many wires but it’s all bullshit they just pretend to be safe it’s all it’s all bullshit.
@@petercsomor2917 Not necessarily, it goes off the cubic inch rating of the box and the sum of the cubic inch of your wires. That pancake box is only good for one 14/2 conductor though
I do this for a lot of different fixtures that are dependent on other room finishes for positioning. Islands, vanitys, wall sconces. Coil up the wire in the general location, then cut them in after the vanity mirror, furniture pieces, and whatever else the interior decorator is gonna freak out about not being dead on point.
I just bought one and literally can’t wait to use it primarily so I can say…I’m going to the truck to get “The Laser” and use the Dr. Evil finger air quotes. SEND IN THE FEMBOTS!!! 😂
@@damoncarfagna6559 it's only rated for one 14-3 or 1 14 2 or 1 12 2 when you put two wires in one box it over rates it when we use them we use a bigger junction box that way you can run one wire to each if there are multiple pancake boxes it is definitely a violation of the National Electric Code if you have more than one wire in a pancake box
Pancake box is only rated for one set of wires. You can’t have two sets of wires coming in to one. Proper way is to run wire from switch to a JB and then run two wires from JB to each pancake. Obviously this was after rough inspection so was not inspected.
I'm one of few pros who uses those orange wire nuts. They grab better when it's just one load conductor and one fixture conductor. Where there's two load wires from a daisy chain, I use the tans and save the orange wire nuts for later.
Very nice 👍 install job fellas, you obviously have taken the age old kitchen remodeling adage to heart, you measure three times and cut only once. One quick question though, how important is it to have the dropped height of your new pendant fixtures the exact same height as the already existing dropped pendant fixture over the kitchen table? In cases though where there is no kitchen light over the table constraint, what is the standard height of the new pendant light fixtures over the peninsula countertop? 😎
How about having a set of plans with detailed drawings that have a layout for your work. I have done that on 25 story condos and not one was installed out of center.
Save orange wire nuts for low voltage wires. And the box is grounded until that fixture ground is disconnected and over on box fill with 2 wires in ur cake. FYI DIYers plz don't ever use the center K/O on a pancake boxes. Some fixtures use a threaded nipple in the center to hold up fixture and wires could short.
Yes, we saw the pancake box was ungrounded and yes he had two 14/2 in one pancake. Yes the canopy will hold the extra box fill, yes I know code doesn’t allow for that. The job he is doing is better then most I see. He is a bit arrogant but life will hopefully help him learn humility. God Bless.
Ground your metal box with a ground screw. Plus you are not allowed to put more than one romex into a pancake box. If you think your going to land on a roof truss or floor joist, then you need to pull multiple switch legs from your switch box.
Pancake boxes aren't sufficient for box fill and they aren't even grounded properly! The only thing I do agree with is throwing away the cheap wire nuts.
those wire nuts were forbidden in Finland about 30 yeara ago, as they, any of them don't hold enough and caused many fires. We have whole different systems (more effective ones) on use nowadays.
This haunts me. I installed a couple lights for a friends aunt. Fast forward he asked me to pick his cousin up before a concert at his aunts house. So i naturally went to the house i installed the lights at. Turns out he had 2 aunts on the same road and the house i went to now belonged to a cop that had been broken into he was not happy i was there and had pulled his gun it wasnt pointed at me but i was very worried at the time he also had two german shepards. He deffinetly over reached and was an asshole as i was unarmed and was just there for a friend. Still pisses me off
Awesome work brother! Don't worry about the cry baby Union guys, worried about a pancake box ground. Those are the same guys running foot of extra wire at every device, sloppy workplaces, etc. They also are the guys connecting a pointless ground and have the lights sideways and 2 inches off center. I can tell you after years of work in the field, and owning a business, I'd hire you in a heartbeat.
For one second I actually thought he was chucking the wire nuts away to replace them with something reliable and safe! But noooooooo, just different coloured wire nuts
There's no way this dude's a pro. All professional electricians in my area. Never throw anything in a box. They just drop it on the ground for someone else to pick up
😂
He didn’t go in the attic so I agree he is a pro
Hahah
If he was a pro he'd know those boxes he used are only rated for one wire not two.
This made me lol
If you're going to take the time to perfectly place those lights, at least also take the time to ground those metal boxes 😅
He cant...he is bored!
There's no point in it. It's not attached to anything else and the fixture is grounded already. Also, it's connected by metal to metal through fixture
@@saywhat6632that’s the point. It’s not attached to anything else, therefore, electrons will look for their own path. And the painted fixture bonded exclusively through the mounting screws offers too much resistance to clear a fault
He probably grounded the pancake box, what you saw that wasn’t grounded was the bracket. I assume
@@jasoncevallos4073no, there should be one more bare copper wire. He just spliced the two romex cables together
Real pro gets the cabinet detail first and island layout at rough time, then charges again at trim to move them to be the exact location where the designer moved the island to!!
Do we work for the same people?😅
Dude custom work changes ,cabniets change ,layout changes ,money gets burned .
Change orders = more money
I believe your box is overloaded!
Two switch legs would’ve been so much extra romex. Inspector never gonna see it lol
It is
@@jaderhuff81 do it to code even if the inspector won't see it.
Ya, box fill is not right! One 14-2 in a pancake box.
where is the dropcloth over that nice countertop.
Nah the pros use the 3M blue and Orange for small fixtures.
No pros use 3m red tans
Such a pro didn't ground the metal box and pancake boxes are only rated for 1 14/2 Romex not 2.... Not a pro but definitely a hack
Great video editing skills though 👌
I was looking for this comment to see if I needed to leave it on this video.
@@johnh8546 me 2 lol 👍 but I was gonna just keep it to myself
I wouldn’t call him a hack. I always ground the box but once everything is up all the metal pieces with be grounded . Also. The canopy might add enough volume to let 2 -14s in there
Aw let the guy some slack, the fixture is grounded who gives a shit about the box
Just came here to read the TH-cam electrical experts comments.
Well did you learn the proper way?
Or do things like this guy did.
I was too busy teaching your wife how to use a torpedo level. 🧐
It's becoming a new hobby
Did you learn the boxes the guy used are only rated one piece of wire not two?
Totally agree about the wire nuts
When I use to go to work with my dad I always would build spaceships out of wire nuts, the little wings make them look like a tiny rocket ship lol. I went to work from age 4-14, worked in the summer and got paid and I gained tremendous skills
"I'm just an island light" 🏝
Oh I'm an island light!!!
Just trying to get a watt tat tig
Good work here
Except the island lights really are island lights.
would be nice if you cover the floor and countertop …. pro !!!
For real ..... Probably a couple grand to replace that peninsula
Fact!
Real pro would have covered the table with a drop cloth
You forgot to mention the most important part! The empty beer can at the end !!!😂 Real Professionals!!!
FYI… we can’t install 2 romex in a pancake box in Canada
It’s the same here is the US.
It’s not the same in the US as long as you use the appropriate bushings/Romex connector and account for box fill.
@@christopherrudd1229
Table 314.16(B) 14 gauge wire is 2.00 cu in
2 cu in hot
2 cu in neutral
2 cu in for the grounds up to four wires
2+2+2=6
Romex connector doesn’t count.
Pancake is good for 6.00 cu in.
Nothing more can be installed. Only one 14/2 romex is permitted.
The way we get around it for inspection is we use an extension ring when we have 2 hits for the rough to get our clearance but at finish they come off and get used on the next one
@@AnxOG663 code violator
What a pro! Destroyed that island top
Just a word to the wise I would cover that peninsula.... If scratched could probably be fixed with a service call but that's not a cheap replacement and some customers will try and take advantage
I did a bunch of work for a family friend for free. Hanging drywall, insulation, and installing lights/fitting trim. The whole time I talked about how useful a laser level would be for hitting studs when hanging drywall, and after we finished, I found one in the mess of tools the guy we were doing work for had.
That’s exactly how I do it except I use drop cloths and don’t make a huge mess. And ground boxes.
As a retired electrician, who's always been fussy, I have to like this. And yes, toss those wirenuts!!
Wirenuts done correctly are far better than those new parts. They can't hold up to loads . Look up to see the failure look like .
It's also important not to forget the
coors light
I'm guessing that there is an open attic above those because you didn't fish those electrical cables out through that half inch hole without damaging that drywall
I do this for vanity lts. Just yell at the contractor for moving the island after it's been laid out and my boxes are in.
You might want to cover those counter tops next time
Pro tip use some plastic cover at least to protect the table
Industrial electrician here. I cannot even tell you how many of those tan Ideal wire nuts I have used over the years. Many thousands. I use the Ideal orange ones for smaller wire.
I only use marrette.
Love the attention to detail.
Before posting a video. Please review. Ground the box and limit wires in pancake box. Way to go “pro”.
That’s what the builders want. They want these cookie cutter houses done as fast as possible and what he did right there and shares as fast as possible. Yeah I know it’s no legal pancake illegal, blah blah blah too many wires but it’s all bullshit they just pretend to be safe it’s all it’s all bullshit.
It’s what the pros do. His video editing skills are better than his professional electrician skills
Yeah I thought it was 1 cable max in a pancake box?
@@petercsomor2917 Not necessarily, it goes off the cubic inch rating of the box and the sum of the cubic inch of your wires. That pancake box is only good for one 14/2 conductor though
Thank you for showing the pancake gange box. A very important part of a electrical job that get missed morenoften than one would think
He’s definitely a pro at code violations.
Nice job, looks real good
He said, "Pretty boring!" ...Not to me, I watched it like 3 times. 😂🙌🏽
I do this for a lot of different fixtures that are dependent on other room finishes for positioning. Islands, vanitys, wall sconces. Coil up the wire in the general location, then cut them in after the vanity mirror, furniture pieces, and whatever else the interior decorator is gonna freak out about not being dead on point.
never cared for low hanging lights. always hit my head on them when reach for stuff on the table.
well done!
Orange blue wire nuts we use. Really professional.
Thankyou!!!!
Pancake boxes are awesome. But that one with 2 14/2's in it would fail inspection in my area that follows NEC...
you sure made some easy money that day !
quick tip always carrie a moving tarpto
cover the counter top next time, will save you some headaches,
Agreed we do the same
Haha...because I'm lucky. You even sound like you said it with a straight face. Looks great. You are good.
Nice tutorial! Not boring at all.
I'm soooo glad you did not say to use Wagos!
I just bought one and literally can’t wait to use it primarily so I can say…I’m going to the truck to get “The Laser” and use the Dr. Evil finger air quotes. SEND IN THE FEMBOTS!!! 😂
Need to ground it and use 4-0 pancake box to double up wire in there also biggest pro tip put down a drop cloth. 🤘🏻🍻
Pros use one of three things either 3M, those blue ones with the copper insert, or wago connectors and they never shut up about it
Pancake boxes are only rated for one wire should have used a junction box if possible in the Attic that way you could run one wire to each pancake box
One cable
Not one wire 6 cubic inches
@@damoncarfagna6559 it's only rated for one 14-3 or 1 14 2 or 1 12 2 when you put two wires in one box it over rates it when we use them we use a bigger junction box that way you can run one wire to each if there are multiple pancake boxes it is definitely a violation of the National Electric Code if you have more than one wire in a pancake box
cover the island nexttime almost perfect..
Pancake box is only rated for one set of wires. You can’t have two sets of wires coming in to one. Proper way is to run wire from switch to a JB and then run two wires from JB to each pancake. Obviously this was after rough inspection so was not inspected.
What if there’s no access to attic, what then
Wago’s are the way to go! Most new led fixtures come with them as part of the kit
Bro forgot about Box fill
FYI pros acutally use red&yellow or orange and blue 3M brand wire nuts.. they are simply the best
Perfect, I do exactly the same thing 😊
Looking good as always
had to be the homeowner, theres a can of beer on the counter as well.
I'm one of few pros who uses those orange wire nuts. They grab better when it's just one load conductor and one fixture conductor.
Where there's two load wires from a daisy chain, I use the tans and save the orange wire nuts for later.
3m blue/orange wire nuts are much better and smaller
I'll try them
Very nice 👍 install job fellas, you obviously have taken the age old kitchen remodeling adage to heart, you measure three times and cut only once. One quick question though, how important is it to have the dropped height of your new pendant fixtures the exact same height as the already existing dropped pendant fixture over the kitchen table? In cases though where there is no kitchen light over the table constraint, what is the standard height of the new pendant light fixtures over the peninsula countertop? 😎
How about having a set of plans with detailed drawings that have a layout for your work.
I have done that on 25 story condos and not one was installed out of center.
Solo se necesita poner las medidas en la isla y con laser de punto y listo, ser más limpio cubriendo para proteger la superficie.
Save orange wire nuts for low voltage wires. And the box is grounded until that fixture ground is disconnected and over on box fill with 2 wires in ur cake. FYI DIYers plz don't ever use the center K/O on a pancake boxes. Some fixtures use a threaded nipple in the center to hold up fixture and wires could short.
“Pretty boring” 😂
Dewalt???? I thought Sparkys only rock the Red!! Hahahah
That's true. Pretenders use Dewalt.
Box fill...
Bonding
No issue with box fill... the cover of the light is counted for the rest of the box...
You don't stuff the box huh? You go easy on it and leave room in there?
"Box fill" 🤓🤓
@@narmale most pendant lights are NOT rated for electrical box fill
Electrician confirmed. Coors light can on the site 😂
I do the same thing with vanity lights . Once they figure out where the mirror is gonna go then i make the hole for the box
Measure twice cut it once!….true professional 😎
Nice Trick with that Blue tape Will be using it!
Perfect 👌
You are a pro..
Nice layout!
Beautiful
The only problem is, that's the wrong house.
I didn't see the Coors Light on the countertop in the beginning of the video...
Also people, USE THE SAME WIRE NUTS, I have found so many installations where every single connection is made differently
Tan twister's! GOT IT! Thanks 👍
Never tan. Use the tan and red soft wing ones. They cost more but it’s worth it.
Yes, we saw the pancake box was ungrounded and yes he had two 14/2 in one pancake. Yes the canopy will hold the extra box fill, yes I know code doesn’t allow for that. The job he is doing is better then most I see. He is a bit arrogant but life will hopefully help him learn humility. God Bless.
I like your attitude sir 👍
Ground your metal box with a ground screw. Plus you are not allowed to put more than one romex into a pancake box. If you think your going to land on a roof truss or floor joist, then you need to pull multiple switch legs from your switch box.
Pancake boxes aren't sufficient for box fill and they aren't even grounded properly! The only thing I do agree with is throwing away the cheap wire nuts.
yes sirr! i rock tha same way. to tha T!. #RESPECTYOUMYGUY
They always move the island cabinets, this is how we do it
Forget the wire nuts altogether. WAGO connectors are the way to go!
Your a dam good electrician
Sarcasm, right?
You’re
those wire nuts were forbidden in Finland about 30 yeara ago, as they, any of them don't hold enough and caused many fires. We have whole different systems (more effective ones) on use nowadays.
This haunts me. I installed a couple lights for a friends aunt. Fast forward he asked me to pick his cousin up before a concert at his aunts house. So i naturally went to the house i installed the lights at. Turns out he had 2 aunts on the same road and the house i went to now belonged to a cop that had been broken into he was not happy i was there and had pulled his gun it wasnt pointed at me but i was very worried at the time he also had two german shepards. He deffinetly over reached and was an asshole as i was unarmed and was just there for a friend. Still pisses me off
Your lucky to have the joists to support the pancake boxes.
What happens if there is no joist for support above?
Lol I toss the oranges typically too lol and prefer the tans
Awesome work brother! Don't worry about the cry baby Union guys, worried about a pancake box ground. Those are the same guys running foot of extra wire at every device, sloppy workplaces, etc. They also are the guys connecting a pointless ground and have the lights sideways and 2 inches off center.
I can tell you after years of work in the field, and owning a business, I'd hire you in a heartbeat.
Great video.
For one second I actually thought he was chucking the wire nuts away to replace them with something reliable and safe! But noooooooo, just different coloured wire nuts
Whooping the shit out of that counter top using it as a work bench!!
Great lights ... but let's talk about the stone surface all scratched up from you metal tools laying right on it... try to do a little prep next time
I wonder what would be faster, string with a brick hanging off of it or a laser level.
Always used string and a plumb bob. Just recently got one of those laser things I must say it's so much faster
Where I'm from joists aren't placed randomly and are pretty easy to find.
Exactly what we do too
Orange one are small makes it easier to fit wire
What model of laser is it? Thank you
No, the pros use the ideal red and yellow wire nuts with the yellow skirt on the red nut