They All Look the Same, Don't They?!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.พ. 2020
- Why do the British media seem to have such a hard time identifying people who share the same skin tone? Ash Sarkar takes a look at the phenomenon known as 'cross-race effect'.
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Tsk all us videographers just look the same to you don't we Ash.
Lol
Waiting for the first commenter to say " how is this going to help Labour win back Blythe valley"
@@chrisneedham5803 why are you here then? 🤦♂️
Where the hell is "Blythe" valley? And why would Labour care about it? We're busy trying to get Blyth back.
@Alan Brookes Ey up! We got a live one 'ere
The LeBron mistake was so inexplicable that I wouldn't be surprised if they did it deliberately, just to lend credibility to the idea that their recent political "mistakes" were completely innocent and just the result a busy newsroom.
It was the game in which LeBron surpassed Kobe in points scoring, which was the day before the crash. It’s likely that that was the most recent footage of the Lakers tagged with Kobe in the system. Not necessarily obviously, but it would explain the mistake (though not excuse it).
@@ianclose123 no
@@ianclose123 well I was talking about my conspiracy theory...
I'll never forget when they mistook Romelu Lukaku for Stormzy
That shit aggravates me, and I hate when people played it off as a joke.
Any phenotype that is different from 'the norm' is hard for ppl to differentiate. I live in a nonwhite country and am forever getting confused with other ppl who look nothing like me.
Yet another great video by Aaron Bastani.
I like the way he does his nails.
I'm a white English person and I searched 'Ash Sarkar Kirsty Gallagher' trying to find that Newsnight clip. Can't decide if this makes me a racist (Scottishist?).
As a blind person, I usually only recognise people by their voice. Do people who are sighted not recognise people by their voice?
Sometimes I do hear someone before I see them, and can recognise them from that! Especially if they have a loud or distinctive voice, and if I know them well. But I don't know many celebrity voices as I usually just see pictures of them, not audio. I never really thought about that before so thanks for bringing it up :)
If it's Diane Abbott yes!
Didn’t have TV/read newspapers for years. Radio 4 mainstay for topical info. Knew voices, but visiting relatives I was enlightened “THAT’S George Bush/John Major/Windsor family parasite??”
@@maggiescarlet did someone type this post for you or are you trolling us,,lol but to answer your question, people who see tend to rely on sight more and voice second.
I shamefully and horrifyingly did this with two Asian students in my class today, the effort it took to extract my foot from my mouth was palpable. In my defence I have done it with other students but yeah sometimes you inherently group together without realising you're doing it. Partly culturally learned but also partly the human tendency to group based on phenotype
Snowflake!
daz, daily life teaches us that, as individuals, our memory functions vary. some people very are good at remembering numbers, or tunes, or poetry. some are good at faces, some are not. I used to work with a very intelligent and organised person whose facial recognition memory was so poor that they had to carry photos of even close family members so as to avoid embarrassment at family events. personally, i am generally good at faces, regardless of ethnicity, and obscure historical events, but hopeless at names and phone numbers, and i struggle with passwords. we need to keep in mind that we are all different, with different strengths and weaknesses, and not succumb to the efforts of leftist-statist-controlists who try to turn simple and innocent incidents into generators of foaming outrage and shame.
I would agree in specific cases, unfortunately MSM make these slip-ups whatever the skin colour or however well-known the person. Too many un-paid and low-paid interns not being trained but just being used as lackeys?
The comments are a hellscape.
Inferior Fronto-Occipital Fasciculus and *facial recognition* and *object recognition* ; (I'm not an expert) a white matter tract that runs from the frontal lobe (executve functions) at the front of the brain to the occipital lobe (visual processing) at the back of the brain - passing along the caudate nucleus (learning, inhibition and is associated with parkinson's disease) and the temporal lobes (explicit memories - such as visual or language meanings). The Inferior Fronto-Occipital Fasciculus is associated with Semantic Language processing and goal-orientated behaviour - in particular the left inferior fronto-occipital fasciculus is associated with *object recognition*, while the right inferior fronto-occipital fasciculus is associated with *facial recognition*.
I know the above from looking into evidence in the brain for neurological differences in trans people. Along the way I found out that the right inferior frontal-occipital fasciculus appears damaged with those who experienced childhood neglect - creating a viscious cycle of neglect due to the effect facial recognition has on our ability to empathize with others.
Regarding trans people. I have seen evidence that the right inferior fronto-occipital fasciculus is more 'diffuse' (more spread out in it's structure) in trans women and cis women and more 'directional' (less spread out in it's structure) in trans men and cis men. Apparently diffusion tensor imaging MRI scans can pick this up in the inferior fronto-occcipital fasciculus along with other fasciculus (white matter) strutures in the brain - and maybe be used to help in the diagnoses of trans people in the future as evidence is accumilating of a correlation between structure and activity and a person's gender identity (even in children). Though I think it is difficult to dis-entangle from sexual orientation as there is a correlation between white matter in the brain and sexual orientation - though apparently the inferior fronto-occipital fasciculus is different in this regard?
The superior fronto-occipital fasciculus - which can be found in chimpanzee brains - is thought to no longer exist in human brains.
A complication is that depression effects the ability for the left hemisphere to function properly, which would effect object recognition. And can be accompanied by anxiety and an increase in right hemisphere activity, which would effect facial recognition. Plus there is the effect of whether someone is in a mode of working on something - like a hobby for example - which focuses a person more on using their working memory and motor planning (which I think is an attitude related to 'materialism'?), versus whether they are displaying explicit emotional behaviour and using more their long term memory and emotional responses associated with meaning (which we all know that life is basically meaningless - and is I think related to an 'idealistic' attitude?). Plus a whole range of things I am not even qualified to talk about or are even aware of at the moment. 🤪
I think it depends on how often you see their faces, not the racial relevancy.
No-one mistakes class. Entitlement and privilege can be spotted a mile away. Further than that. Or up close..
gary on his day off? lol
lol I've been on holiday!
@@garymcquiggin6433 living it up again mate.. you part timer
Good point Diane. Mind you, not as bad as when I met my Japanese gf at Tokyo station. It was like Where's Wally.
I once saw a englishman and a Irishman having a fight in the street and the englishmam called the Irishman a fucking red face mick
I've never seen Jameela Jamil without red lipstick before
Alotta cringe in the comments trying to justify this shit and claiming Ash is wrong, makes ya laugh
Nice video Shami Chakrabarti. You look much better with long hair 👍☺️
I'm white, and middle-aged white guys all look identical to me. If there's a BBC news dude talking to a couple of government ministers, I literally cannot tell who is who.
And don't get me fucking started on Hollywood leading guys. I swear they're all clones.
I am white, or as I like to say 'melanin impaired', and we whities all look the same too. I see white people in the street who I think are people I know. Just human I guess?
You think the members of an entire race 'all look the same'?
@@brynshortland162 don't I know you?
@Ruddy Bakewell Have you got Enoch Powell as your profile picture?
What about ginger people?
This is an excellent video. Well done Faiza Shaheen.
But hang on. Some black people do look like eachother. Just like some white people look like eachother. It’s not just because of sharif the skin tone have you ever thought it’s because they might have similar facial attributes? Be a similar build? Have similar hair? No of course it has to be racism!!! I actually think making that assumption is far more racist
Oof.
To people who are not accustomed to distinguishing between individuals within the various racial groups, yes, mistakes are often made.
I had a Somali friend who had trouble distinguishing between white people when he first arrived, and every time I show someone the films Oldboy or Battle Royale or Lady Vengeance etc. etc. They get confused about which character is which, especially if there are time jumps.
Whether an establishment like the BBC should be making those mistakes is a different matter.
I should also say it's really not that surprising that people would find it easier to distinguish between their own racial groups.
A lot of that type of brain structure (probably all of it really) is formed in early childhood, and the people a child meets are very likely to be of a similar race (because they're related). I don't see the need for a more complex explanation, given its what we'd expect to be the case.
If what you’re saying was true, you wouldn’t need to say it. Nor would you be able to.
People make mistakes. There was literally no malice in any of the people that mistook 1 person for the other. Aren't there serious issues about INTENTIONAL corruption, racism, exploitation to dedicate air time to than innocent mistakes?
It simply goes to show how pernicious this is. We're all programmed to think in this way and it's really hard to acknowledge it and overcome it. Pointing them out is the bare minimum we can do.
All come from the same root. Whether subconscious or intentional there is an element of social programming prevalent in each. It all starts with awareness.
She's not going after individuals and instead she tried to explain possible systemic issues.
I have never confused Dawn Butler with Kobe Bryant
Corbyn was a 10 ✊
If she kept still her brain may work...
Whatever!😂🤣🤣
Nah sorry but when you're unfamiler with a certain race they are hard to distinguish in the beginning. I struggled to distinguish Koreans when I first starting hanging around them. Now it's easy for me. And the Koreans struggled to distinguish white people. It really is just something that happens until you're exposed to people more.
That's actually what the video is saying.
@@jakit4 you're projecting.
@@jakit4 the point is we all grow up in a society that treats white people as the norm, that gives white people prominence and authority, while other groups are racialised and often turned into tokens. I mean you can argue that our demographics create that kind of white majority picture, but that's still the end result - and that's why people of colour get sidelined and not really taken notice of, subconsciously handwaved away as "the black one" or whatever
And that's the thing, it's systemic, it's not just individual people being racist - society ends up having that influence, and it's not a good influence, so it's good to identify it and call it out and make an effort to resist it, y'know? That's how we improve things, and each generation has a little less bullshit to undo when they get older. And you don't need to feel guilty for being white - but we absolutely have a responsibility to not handwave this stuff away because it doesn't affect us personally
@David Ward cant help but notice there's a discussion on race and you keep bringing up animals m8, prime example right here
@@jakit4 well that's what we're doing here, right? Talking more deeply about it, so we can spot problems and their causes and do something about them. Like you say, most people would say "racism is bad" but we're often unaware of some of the more subtle ways it can manifest, why some notice it while others don't (or say "it's harmless"), or even how much of it is baked into our understanding of the world, just because we grew up being told and seeing certain things, only hearing certain voices, having other cultures massively generalised or other brits racialised and presented as "them" instead of "us" as though there are these inherent, separate groups
That's the point - we're individuals but we're also the product of a society, every single person has been influenced by the system they grew up in, and it shapes our thoughts and perspectives before we even know what those things are. It's like that old joke right, where a fish asks another "how's the water today" and the other fish says "what's water?" Our adult lives are basically about trying to unpack reality and the ideas and attitudes we grew up with, trying to do better when we see how it harms other people, and that requires some honesty.
It's not easy to hear that you've been unknowingly complicit or even just ignorant of something you consider bad, but here's where the individualism comes in - what do you do about it? Do you try to be better, and help address the systemic stuff that put you and everyone else in that position in the first place? Or do you take the easier way out and deny there's a problem at all, accuse anyone who speaks up of being the *real* problem, and basically defend the status quo? (Which is how the system works, it perpetuates itself by making "do nothing" the easy option for the majority, and that's the environment the next generation grows up in)
I know that was a massive youtube comment but hey you seemed genuine so I wanted to give an honest response, and for anyone else reading it. If we really want a happy, healthy society where everyone's equal, we need to work at it - we weren't there in the past, and we're still not there yet
Well the incident could still be an honest mistake of someone who doesn't really follow basketball but the statistics all ways tell the truth even if you can bend them to fit a narrative. And there is something to be said about casual racism and many people living in denial of it and so not understanding the social aspect of these effects.
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"It might not seem like a big deal" yeah, think most would agree with you.
Priti Patel's looking younger.
I bet that racist joke got you up
John Boy Don’t you mean: Stewart Lee has let himself go?
how did i get subbed to this?
No two snowflakes are identical, and yet they all look, and these days sound the same!!!!