Bro this video inspired me so much and I came here to thank you . I have a very similar projector, chinese no name, but has a great LED 1080 projection. the only problem it has is that I changed it at warranty 3 times because of the fact that I got burnt spots on projection. So with this 3rd one I got, I watched your video, and contacted one of the electronists in my city to take the brand new exchanged projector and modify it to become a unique projector as well. And he did an amazing work just heard from him. The projector has 1 in and one out ventilators. He changed them both with better ones and added a 3rd one. Also, changed the position of some small pipes that are connected to the cooling system and put it on the exterior of the projector so that the heat remains further away from the more vulnerable parts. he also eased the main board, as everything went through it and was very hot because of this. he added a laptop charger extension, a separate one, to which he connected all the cooling system, alliviating the pressure on the main circuit, making it even "Colder" in the process. He also added the whole separate ventilation system a temporizator or something like that, it keeps on working for 10 minutes after I shut it down. He insisted on it, saying that it's a projector and when I put it into a position I do not need to bother it further. I think I found an amazing guy here, very cooperative and competent. And I have you to thank for inspiring me to finally do something about my projector that constantly breaks because I am in love with it and want to keep it, even if that means going old-school AF and modifying it into a unique piece. Thanks bro!
4:53 - The fan has a third wire, which is "thacometric signal". It simply puts out a pulse at each impeller's rotation, so the computer's bios can sense its speed - or simply if the fan is "dead". Remember that, however, there's a difference in airflow between the "old" fans and the one you replaced...
So, you consider it a cinema projector just because of two new fans? If I change the coolers on a shitty computer, does it magically become a gaming pc too?
I installed 33 Ohm 5W resistors in series with my fans to reduce their noise. Works great. I also tried to shift the lens 1 cm up (down for ceiling mounted) to reduce the blur by reducing the required amount of keystone, which worked, but only a little.
WARNING: "Radial" centrifugal or 'squirrel cage' fans push a LOT more air than axial fans of the same diameter at the same RPM. Along with the problem of redirecting the air flow, there will be less total air flow unless the axial fan is run at very high speed, removing most if not all of the noise benefit. If you swapped out the radial fan for an axial one, and the projector got dark or overheated, now you probably know why. (LCD's darken when overheated, as mentioned in an earlier comment.) Swapping out the LED fan is probably safe, since they are the same type, but I would check CFM ratings for the original and replacement fan before attempting it.
This is true, the radial fan also pushes most of the air directly on to the lamp for cooling. Removing this will result in higher lamp temperatures and much shorter lamp hours.
If you're using it with a PC you can replace the LCD panel with a 4 k LCD from aliexpress and use the new driver board instead of the projector's hdmi input. Costs about $240 for a 5,5" 4k LCD. A 2560x1440 LCD is only $85. A PC is required because they are mobile screens and need to be rotated in software as they are oriented vertically. The original LCD panel in these chinese 720p projectors is 5,8" and is actually 1280x768. www.panelook.com/C058GWW1-0_IVO_5.8_CELL_overview_27871.html
I have repaired and refurbed various projectors. What people need to know is those Led's get very hot. The light is focused onto the lcd and without cooling it will darken. That cooling air must be properly channeled in its entirety. Not doing so will just be blowing air around in the same area. In this projector like many similar. The lcd fan also helps to cool the power supply and control board as well. So proper air flow is important. I personally leave the speakers there. In some cases they only have one to begin with although the onboard amp is wired for stereo, but there was only room for one. A reason the keystone lens must be there is because the focus lens expects a image of a certain size to reach it. Otherwise it will already be much bigger to begin with and result in the outer edges being cutoff and corners being rounded as well. So in a nut shell. It may look like these are thrown together but they are not. The circuits were tuned to work in specific ways with specific parts and the optics designed to function in certain ways as well. The best thing you can do with these is keep them cool, keep dust way from them, don't drop them, and don't use them for hours on end like a tv. Especially not the mini ones because those power adapters get real hot.
Changing the stock ducted type centrifugal fan for a standard radial one will most likely lead to reduced airflow across the lcd/polariser. Ultimately the Lcd will fail prematurely (pixel failure/polariser yellowing). Did you check the airflow over the lcd before and after? Same goes for fitting a 'quieter' fan for the led cooling. Quieter may not mean the same or more cfm to cool the lamp. Only time will show if the mods were worth it.
if noise is the problem, and considering the location of the projector is above.. I'd cover the cooling fan hole with a tube like damper/sponge.. it doesnt affect the opening but absorb some of the noise
....greetings from blue Greece......I got mine excelvan ehd 11 and need info for change the lamp,......worked 6 years excellent and blurred at the corner lately.......I "went in" with screwdriver and found a thin tablet of led lights....... QUESTION, how do I call this type of lamp to order a replacement???????.......(there was no description at all on the manual as well on the box.......) ... thank you for your precious time. ☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆
For me the biggest issue of those projectors is not the noise, but dust. My td96 has almost identical setup inside, but the case is different. It has absolutely no dust filters. After few hours the screen is covered with dust particles and it is visible on the wall.
does anyone have a workable method to reduce the fan noise and the heat if that's possible ? I bought this projector but in 9m square room, even a soundbar couldn't handle those problems..
see i was just going to pay $100 dollars more and get something decent and reliable,but that cardboard wind tunnel blew me away not to mention cutting big chunks from the caseing! WTF ron, flammable material inside a high heat electrical unit!
I should have read the comments before attempting this 'mod'. 2 hours of CAD work, 15 hours of 3d printing only to find that the fans are insufficient. Although the fans are quite noisy, I suggest leaving the stock fans. For the price point, it's not a bad projector. And with some volume from the hifi system, pretty much drowns out the fan noise.
Hes right, this is a great 720p projector, genuinely HD, but its so noisy it ruins the experience. Change that and it becomes a really great cheap projector. 120 inch screen thats got fantastic resolution. Try it before you knock it.
I think you are a really good narrator. I don't see how two fans make your cheap projector a better one, for that to happen I think you need some things like a top lightbulb and great lenses (like Carl Zeiss from Sony for example). But aside that i liked your video a lot, your voice is pleasant, your articulation in great and your filming is clear. 2 thumbs up from me!
Carl Zeiss lenses are made in Germany....Sony is a Japanese Company.....Sony buy lenses from Zeiss UNPOLISHED.....Sony Carl Zeiss lenses are polished in THAILAND to reduce the cost...but unfortunately the FINISHING of the lenses are poor....So you don't have the sharpness of a true original Carl Zeiss lens.....I know this as a friends Father works for LEICA also a German Lens Manufacturer...
Thank you very much, it will help for my video projector CL760. Many people say that the CL760 works great but it makes noise. I paid 109 euros in France. Best wishes for this new year 2019
Relax you dumb ass. Have you slept on physics? Sure its not ok to put paper inside electronic device but flash point of cardboard is around 400 F or 200 C. You will never get close to such temp inside projector. Inside temps hover around 70 - 80 C or 180 F. Most LEDs on the market operate at temp below 90 C. So you are totally safe(in theory). You got that?
yes but even with changes it's not really good, but by decreasing the color by 10% (50% default to 40% or maybe 35%) it is colorfull enough and you have less chroma, and now it's nice to see, the color are not accurate (they are not the original color tone but they look right, good :) )
Yes very good. I have had the 720 version in my bedroom for 2 years projecting on an mdf board that it fitted 2 inches away from the wall, with leds behind and the projector screen painted with a black diamond style paint. (DIY B&Q Perlecent paint + Grey). The screen size is 111 inches. The lumens started at 3000. After 2 years it dipped to around 2000 lumens until I opened and cleaned inside, which boosted it back up a bit but some elements of the LED have died so a new LED panel is next. Impressed, I bought another version with 5000 lumens for about the same price, for my living room. 130 inches at 5000 lumens is excellent even in the day with the right contrast screen paint, so the projector in this video is very good but if you can get more lumens than this 3000 lumen version.
I purchased a ABOX A6 and noise is terriible like 60 db. I have to practically sit next to the projector due to my projector screen size and room configuration. I build a hush box and it was able to lower by 10 db, which is not enough, so now I am thinking of going chirurgical and change at least the noisiest fan. The image quality is good, so it has potential, but I want to do things right. Do you have any knowledge about the type of fans in the Abox A6 or any advices that could help. Thank you!
so you converted a cheap lcd projector to a great home cinema projector by mounting 2 underpowered fans? wow great i thought you were at least going to install a more powerful LED
I just got a jimtab m18, expecting the fans are the same, probably going to use noctua fans. I may even replace the thermal paste on the LED/heatsink. Since i assume the noctua fans, like the Be Quiet fans have lower airflow. Best to take full advantage of of the heatsink.
hi i have the cl760d and i would have changed the fan to have less noise but mine is 3 pin connector and the noctua i have bought by misstake is 4 pin its impossible to plug it.did you comfirm me that your 92mm fan be quiet is 3 pins or you must to cut an adapt it? thanx a lot for your quick answer
I've tried .... it doesn't work. Blower fan (1st fan in video) much more powerful than BQ pure wings 2. After a minute leds are overheated and black spot appeared on screen. So DON'T DO THIS, the performance/air transport of these fans are not enough.
@@CrusadogPlay hey, so i basically tried to do the exact same thing as in the video. But the problem is that the fan choosen in the video are clearly not powerfull enough. When i fired it up with the new fan, a black dot appeared in the center of the screen, and it also became really hot. I had to stop it after something like 30-40 seconds because of this getting too hot. After this unsuccessfull try, I decided without any hesitation to put the original fan. By chance the projector didn't have any damage after rechecking that everything was back at it's place. So honestly, my advice here will be to NOT do what is in this video.
@@felippealencar Well, after reading a lot and testing, do not do this tecnique, u will probably burn the lamp. If you need to reduce the noise, it is difficult in this type of chinese projects. The solution is to buy an axial fan but only one of better quality and less noisy, but never change the radial fan. U only can install a resistencia in series with the radial fan to try to reduce the radial fan noise. But i dont recommend any other solution. The resístance should between 20 a 30 ohms.
Hi and tnx for the video. I have a problem with manual focus, lens doesn't turn at all so is impossible to set video on focus. I bought it by gearbest and it seems to me so hard to have a good support by them. Considering your experience, do you think it's possible to fix it by myslef and in case if you know how, or I just wait and wait for their solution? As I opened it the lens (focus) was blocked. Thank you very much for any kind ot advices. Cristian
Hallo, wichtige Frage für mich: " Wieso lassen sie den Lüfter nicht wie auf 4:14? Wieso müssen sie ihn dann noch weiter nach hinten machen, so dass vom Winkel her nur noch 20 Grad ungefähr offen sind für die Außenluft? Bei 4:14 hatte er doch eine viele Größere Luftfläche zum einsaugen und einen größeren WInkel. Sie hätten mit dem Karton den Weg bis zur Außenluftöffnung enger machen können, dass hätt ich verstanden aber den Lüfter dann vom Winkel her so ungünstig zu legen, dass er nurn winzigen offenen Winkel hat versteh ich nicht und was das mit dem Karton dann soll. Am besten wäre ja eine Kombination. Position von 4:14, dann mit Karton den Weg zur Luft enger machen und den weg vom Lüfter in den Projektor enger. Dass wäre meines erachten nach effizienter, oder?
Also wondering if there's an effective method to take blower fan apart to clean (i just used compressed air). i know you can get wheel out (the dustiest part) and its wire electronic free so water could get thick dust off wheel (saw crappy just pics video on YT). But blower doesnt have screws holding it together, but really tight snap parts, so dont want to break snapclip things. Also then i could grease wheel motor cylinder. Amazingly you're the only video on youtube taking this model apart (& clone), cant even find fan cleaning
Without a dought, these are some suitable modifications for this projector, but I can't really say that 200 bucks are worth it for a 150 projector... I have an Epson eh-tw7200 and I have spent 30 bucks for constructiing a extracting/retracting mechanism so that it can hide inside a closet. My point here is that you should spent 30 bucks buying wooden parts and creating a stand of your own. 170 bucks for a stand is a lot...
It's not a bad hack. The projector has a 720p native resolution and is under $100. The issue is that without proper cooling the light will start to overheat the LCD panel which can cause permanent damage. If you have a decent sound system, you're not going to hear the fans of a projector. I replaced the halogen bulb in a cheap $30 projector with a more powerful one and it works fine as long as you keep it cool. Otherwise the LCD starts to turn black from the heat within a few minutes. Cheap low res projectors are more useful for outdoor use on camping trips or for projecting holiday imagery on a house. If you want to watch movies, save your pennies and buy something better.
NICE! The only thing about these cheap Chinese projectors is that the intake fan doesn't have a dust filter. After using one myself, I notice that the lens started to show a lot of dark spots. I open the projector to find that the LED film was covered with dust. I used a soft cloth to remove the dust and closed it and power it up. All the spots were gone. But found myself having to do this over and over again. Do you know what can I do DIY that can stop the dust as a dust filter?
We used to use dryer sheets or panty hose as dust filters, for PCs, all the time. In the older days of PC modding. You could also go to most hardware stores and get some cheap air conditioner filter material, the type that is just foam, and cut it to what ever size you need. It won't keep all the dust out but will reduce it.
Hi, thanks a lot for your video !! I intend to buy a cl720. I might install a noctua 80mm 1200 ( very low noise around 10db). What do you think about it ?
Me thinks he should only replace second fan which is the same size. The cardboard stuff I don’t like. Or maybe disconnect first fan and mount other outside the projector?
Some real idiotic comments being displayed here. First of all, this is not a professional home theater projector. Yes we are all aware of that, however you can mod a cheap Chinese projector into making it perform better. Noice is the biggest concern regarding these projectors making it less suitable for a quiet movie night. In my case I actually used a buck converter to LOWER the output of the LED and by that be able to reduce the speed of the fans without risking melting the lcd and lenses. In a darkened bedroom you don’t need the full power of the LED. I am super happy with my modded $150 projector and I don’t need a 4000k one. If you like tinkering this is what you do. If not, by all means buy an expensive one then. Great video👍🏻
Lol 😂😂😂 me to why is it when i take things apart there's always a spare screw cog. What ever. It just gets binned because never works again. Guess i do try hey 😏😏🤔🤔😜 I Don't know how I'm still alive. I end up costing me a fortune when I mess.
I am looking to experiment with mich higher brightness LED light sources in these cheap projectors. It seems to me this would be the primary way to make the picture far brighter. I did however break a projector already opening it to clean the mirror that somehow got a spec of debris caught in an adhesive that held it in place causing a big black blob on the screen. There was a black piece of adhesive backed cloth that completely covered the lcd ribbon cable to the point you couldnt tell the cable was under it. When I pulled the cloth to get to the stuff underneath it it separated the cable from The screen. It was quite irritating. The projector this happened on was a Yowhick native 1080p. It was decent but now I have a Yaber Y21 on the way which supposedly has overly loud fans as well. I may consider replacing them.
Much higher brightness will generally mean much more heat. More efficient LEDs will produce less heat for the same brightness rating though, so that may counteract it *somewhat*. You will need suitable fans to keep the temperature under control, or you'll have serious problems(& possible dangers).
i wonder if it is possible to fix irregular focus in these chinese projectors.. mine is great, but cant have the whole screen in focus..maybe replacing lenses
Make sure the projector is oriented 90 degrees to the whole in each direction first of all. eg: If the projector is tilted down, then the top projection distance is shorter than the bottom so they can't both be in focus without a special lens design.
Not the best idea for sure...anyhow... The change of the axial fan is normally fine but you should have a look on the datasheet for the cfm and ! important ! the static pressure. An exchange should have similiar values. You should be fine by using a low noise fan even with lower specs because the led has typically a temperature sensor. Most probably the light output is reduced afterwards. Feel free to seal the connection to the cooler with aluminium tape or something heat resistant. Maybe this result in similiar performance / light output and lower noise. The exchange of a radial fan isn't that easy when using the original place. Radial fans have a really high static pressure compared to the cfm / airflow. Futhermore this fan is responsible to cool down the screen. Too much heat and you kill it. If you don't want to cut the housing to use a proper solution by using e.g. a big low noise axial fan it should be okay to reduce the rpm a little bit with a resistor... But ensure... The projector shouldn't see high ambient temperatures in a bad place afterwards. The screen normally don't have a temperature sensor and in genetal the projectors suck by not having temperature regulated fans.
This projector colors is valid only for old movies and cartoons for kids. But i still will keep it, for summer house, as it still better than laptop or 32" tv.
I got the new magnetic levitation fans super quiet no bearings they are pricey at $29 but if you look around and or have coupons you can grab them for a cheaper price
yep, I rather just remove the stupid blower fan along with that side panel and the useless speaker and put a 120mm pressure optimized fan for rads with a dust filter and funnel, that thing creates more than twice the air flow that the original fan does while being totally silent and costing around 20$ shipped, at that point, this 100$ projector is an excellent buy, its essentially an "HD" screen at around 100" for about 120$ total, thats just unbeatable but just for fun though, I'm thinking of replacing the lamp's heatsink-fan with a cpu AIO liquid cooler I have lying around, should last for decades running at half the current temp, I sometimes hear the plastic creaking due to heat stress(probably)
as there won't be enough cooling for the LCD.. when it gets overheated, it turns black. If you're Lucky after cooling down it will work again.. otherwise it really burned
Denny C I would like to understand too; what screen is been talked about? I thought it was so easy that no screen is needed for showing with a beamer. I just use my white wall. So, which screen will burn?
Pascal De Rudder inside the projector theres a small LCD screen. With strong light and lenses the image on the lcd will be projected into a screen or a wall (your choice). Because the light is so strong n most likely the position is close to the lcd screen... without proper cooling this will burn the lcd.. or simply the lcd got heated=turns black. I hope it is clear :)
Any replacement fan will need to be able to move at least as much air, they're typically rated as ...CFM(cubic feet per minute) The air pressure rating may well also be important, or the fan may not be able to push enough air through despite the CFM rating.
Mi proyector tiene una abertura en la parte de abajo donde puedo limpiar el lcd y el polarizado y probe con un ventilador de 12v y uno de 5v y este último me funciona mejor xq le da el aire que nececita en cambio el de 12v la pantalla se oscurece ( le agregué un ventilador xq le había salido unas manchas amarillas y por ahora funciona bien
My CL720D is making a loud noise every time i turn it on now. Had it for nearly 2 years, and it's been perfect up till now, any idea what is causing the problem? i Have to turn it off and then back on around 2-3 times before the noise stops. any help with this would be very grateful..=] Oh and i have contacted the seller on Amazon and the manufacturer, but still waiting for a response, which is disappointing.
Hi, i did exactly the same as you did, with the same fans from be quiet, but when i turn on the projector, after a few minutes the screen starts to turn black, i think that is because of the 82mm fan, but i dont know how to solve this problem.
Hi, i try to change the fans (be quiet!) but when i turn on the projector, it was the same thing that happened with your projector (the picture's right part started to black). I have to change back the original fans.
Maybe the be quiet! fans can't rotate so fast than the original fans. I try to connect to 12V adapter but they (be quiet! pure wings 2 80 and 92 mm) were so slow.
Bruno G. Lopes Hi, becasue the new fan couldn't profe enough aircondition to the lcd. I try them with any adapter, but they were too slow to be good for this therm.
At 1:57 you show 38dB with original fans. How much dB do you get with new/replaceable/quieter fans? In the end that is all about, isn’t it`? And how much is the temperature of the beamer after 3h of movies? Your cardboard funnel handcraft work may be good for short period of time while you recorded the video, but that cannot be a good technical solution for long run. There is one more thing which is not proper done: you should have checked the datasheet/parameters of the original fan and look at CFM + dB and then compare that with the new installed fans. For instance, the fan near the power supply is marked “MODEL LD9025MS1, ROYCE ELECTRONIC, Low Noise. Long Life-Time, 12VDC, 0.2W, Shenzhen Lescott Technology CO., LTD” but I could not find any contact to that company. We do not know the CFM and dB. That fan is used also to extract the heat from the power supply. One solution is to replace that power supply with fanless one, bigger and outside of the beamer, then it would remain only the fan for LED lamp. The right way is to take the fans out and measure their CFM at full speed/voltage and then to find quieter fans with similar specs, but lower noise. Beside you origina suggestion of using fans from www.bequiet.com , there are also other brands seen here: www.quietpc.com/casefans In the end, the best solution, which requires more time and effort, is to make a hush box for the beamer. In this way you can let the original fans inside the beamer and mount quiet fans at the hush box air flow openings.
A éviter a tous prix ! J'ai claqué 20€ pour que l'écran noircisse après 2min car le ventilo de 80mm ne permet pas de remplacer le ventilo "radial" qui envoie beaucoup plus d'air . Je vais essayer de garder le silence que les ventilos apportent en rajoutant un ventilo sous le LCD et un autre a la place des speakers
I noticed only now that you measured again the noise at minute 6:26 and was 18dB. I also noticed only now on your text under video that the side fan is 92mm, which is strange according with manufacturer specs. The 92mm fan is seen well on its package at minute 5:05. Then I have seen also that you have the German version of the video: th-cam.com/video/9TQdEQZE9Ow/w-d-xo.html I will come back later with more info.
Bro this video inspired me so much and I came here to thank you . I have a very similar projector, chinese no name, but has a great LED 1080 projection. the only problem it has is that I changed it at warranty 3 times because of the fact that I got burnt spots on projection. So with this 3rd one I got, I watched your video, and contacted one of the electronists in my city to take the brand new exchanged projector and modify it to become a unique projector as well. And he did an amazing work just heard from him. The projector has 1 in and one out ventilators. He changed them both with better ones and added a 3rd one. Also, changed the position of some small pipes that are connected to the cooling system and put it on the exterior of the projector so that the heat remains further away from the more vulnerable parts. he also eased the main board, as everything went through it and was very hot because of this. he added a laptop charger extension, a separate one, to which he connected all the cooling system, alliviating the pressure on the main circuit, making it even "Colder" in the process. He also added the whole separate ventilation system a temporizator or something like that, it keeps on working for 10 minutes after I shut it down. He insisted on it, saying that it's a projector and when I put it into a position I do not need to bother it further. I think I found an amazing guy here, very cooperative and competent. And I have you to thank for inspiring me to finally do something about my projector that constantly breaks because I am in love with it and want to keep it, even if that means going old-school AF and modifying it into a unique piece. Thanks bro!
sounds good, thanks for the feedback, have a great day
4:53 - The fan has a third wire, which is "thacometric signal". It simply puts out a pulse at each impeller's rotation, so the computer's bios can sense its speed - or simply if the fan is "dead". Remember that, however, there's a difference in airflow between the "old" fans and the one you replaced...
Thanks for explaining how that third wire works👍🏻🇸🇪
So, you consider it a cinema projector just because of two new fans? If I change the coolers on a shitty computer, does it magically become a gaming pc too?
he does not even change the LED light to increase the lumens. rhis video is so FAKE
Only if you use fans with red LEDs as those make it go faster.
red LED make the fans go faster? What kind of bullshit is that? only RGB LED does that
Here's my take on it: he can call it whatever he wants if it suits his needs.
+Tennis Ball Oh really? Just bcs my PC does all I need I can call it Google datacenter? Okay
I installed 33 Ohm 5W resistors in series with my fans to reduce their noise. Works great. I also tried to shift the lens 1 cm up (down for ceiling mounted) to reduce the blur by reducing the required amount of keystone, which worked, but only a little.
WARNING: "Radial" centrifugal or 'squirrel cage' fans push a LOT more air than axial fans of the same diameter at the same RPM. Along with the problem of redirecting the air flow, there will be less total air flow unless the axial fan is run at very high speed, removing most if not all of the noise benefit. If you swapped out the radial fan for an axial one, and the projector got dark or overheated, now you probably know why. (LCD's darken when overheated, as mentioned in an earlier comment.) Swapping out the LED fan is probably safe, since they are the same type, but I would check CFM ratings for the original and replacement fan before attempting it.
This is true, the radial fan also pushes most of the air directly on to the lamp for cooling. Removing this will result in higher lamp temperatures and much shorter lamp hours.
can i change the resolution from 720p to 4k by replacing the cooling fans?
same question xDDDD
If you're using it with a PC you can replace the LCD panel with a 4 k LCD from aliexpress and use the new driver board instead of the projector's hdmi input. Costs about $240 for a 5,5" 4k LCD. A 2560x1440 LCD is only $85. A PC is required because they are mobile screens and need to be rotated in software as they are oriented vertically.
The original LCD panel in these chinese 720p projectors is 5,8" and is actually 1280x768. www.panelook.com/C058GWW1-0_IVO_5.8_CELL_overview_27871.html
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Make it more bright also?.
How about a video on upgrades to the led bulbs to increase the lumens? That would be a really good hack !
I have repaired and refurbed various projectors. What people need to know is those Led's get very hot. The light is focused onto the lcd and without cooling it will darken. That cooling air must be properly channeled in its entirety. Not doing so will just be blowing air around in the same area. In this projector like many similar. The lcd fan also helps to cool the power supply and control board as well. So proper air flow is important. I personally leave the speakers there. In some cases they only have one to begin with although the onboard amp is wired for stereo, but there was only room for one. A reason the keystone lens must be there is because the focus lens expects a image of a certain size to reach it. Otherwise it will already be much bigger to begin with and result in the outer edges being cutoff and corners being rounded as well. So in a nut shell. It may look like these are thrown together but they are not. The circuits were tuned to work in specific ways with specific parts and the optics designed to function in certain ways as well. The best thing you can do with these is keep them cool, keep dust way from them, don't drop them, and don't use them for hours on end like a tv. Especially not the mini ones because those power adapters get real hot.
did he say hd"mi" port?
Changing the stock ducted type centrifugal fan for a standard radial one will most likely lead to reduced airflow across the lcd/polariser. Ultimately the Lcd will fail prematurely (pixel failure/polariser yellowing). Did you check the airflow over the lcd before and after? Same goes for fitting a 'quieter' fan for the led cooling. Quieter may not mean the same or more cfm to cool the lamp. Only time will show if the mods were worth it.
A good noctua fan might do the trick
if noise is the problem, and considering the location of the projector is above.. I'd cover the cooling fan hole with a tube like damper/sponge.. it doesnt affect the opening but absorb some of the noise
....greetings from blue Greece......I got mine excelvan ehd 11 and need info for change the lamp,......worked 6 years excellent and blurred at the corner lately.......I "went in" with screwdriver and found a thin tablet of led lights....... QUESTION, how do I call this type of lamp to order a replacement???????.......(there was no description at all on the manual as well on the box.......) ... thank you for your precious time. ☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆
Nice upgrade
How is the cooling performance and long term reliability of this mod
For me the biggest issue of those projectors is not the noise, but dust. My td96 has almost identical setup inside, but the case is different. It has absolutely no dust filters. After few hours the screen is covered with dust particles and it is visible on the wall.
Hi great video. No problems with overheating?
I just bought one, and I overcame the fan noise by adding two 5000 watt speakers. Now the ice cream man complains about me!
Lmfao the fan noise tho..
does anyone have a workable method to reduce the fan noise and the heat if that's possible ? I bought this projector but in 9m square room, even a soundbar couldn't handle those problems..
4:51 hi, I would like to know, which one is the temperature control cable...? 🙃😧
Thanks for the tutorial bro. Can I ask, if the replacement fan has a lower CFM than the in built one, would it still work?
see i was just going to pay $100 dollars more and get something decent and reliable,but that cardboard wind tunnel blew me away not to mention cutting big chunks from the caseing! WTF ron, flammable material inside a high heat electrical unit!
I put new tyres on my fiesta, I now drive a Pagani Zonda 😂
Ali I used racing stripes. Way better xd
@@danijel124 so by adding some racing stripes, it will automatically make your car go faster
Lmao basically 😂
Why changed the fans? Any improvement ?
I should have read the comments before attempting this 'mod'. 2 hours of CAD work, 15 hours of 3d printing only to find that the fans are insufficient. Although the fans are quite noisy, I suggest leaving the stock fans. For the price point, it's not a bad projector. And with some volume from the hifi system, pretty much drowns out the fan noise.
Hes right, this is a great 720p projector, genuinely HD, but its so noisy it ruins the experience. Change that and it becomes a really great cheap projector. 120 inch screen thats got fantastic resolution. Try it before you knock it.
I think you are a really good narrator. I don't see how two fans make your cheap projector a better one, for that to happen I think you need some things like a top lightbulb and great lenses (like Carl Zeiss from Sony for example). But aside that i liked your video a lot, your voice is pleasant, your articulation in great and your filming is clear. 2 thumbs up from me!
Carl Zeiss lenses are made in Germany....Sony is a Japanese Company.....Sony buy lenses from Zeiss UNPOLISHED.....Sony Carl Zeiss lenses are polished in THAILAND to reduce the cost...but unfortunately the FINISHING of the lenses are poor....So you don't have the sharpness of a true original Carl Zeiss lens.....I know this as a friends Father works for LEICA also a German Lens Manufacturer...
Thank you very much, it will help for my video projector CL760. Many people say that the CL760 works great but it makes noise. I paid 109 euros in France.
Best wishes for this new year 2019
4:18 Him: I just use cardboard
Me: FIRE HAZARD🔥🚨🚒⚠️⚠️⚠️!!!!!!
Relax you dumb ass. Have you slept on physics? Sure its not ok to put paper inside electronic device but flash point of cardboard is around 400 F or 200 C.
You will never get close to such temp inside projector. Inside temps hover around 70 - 80 C or 180 F.
Most LEDs on the market operate at temp below 90 C.
So you are totally safe(in theory). You got that?
Is the projector really worth buying with regards to the image output?
Fola Dawodu yes I have it and it looks amazing.
but you can change the display settings, right?
yes but even with changes it's not really good, but by decreasing the color by 10% (50% default to 40% or maybe 35%) it is colorfull enough and you have less chroma, and now it's nice to see, the color are not accurate (they are not the original color tone but they look right, good :) )
Yes very good. I have had the 720 version in my bedroom for 2 years projecting on an mdf board that it fitted 2 inches away from the wall, with leds behind and the projector screen painted with a black diamond style paint. (DIY B&Q Perlecent paint + Grey). The screen size is 111 inches. The lumens started at 3000. After 2 years it dipped to around 2000 lumens until I opened and cleaned inside, which boosted it back up a bit but some elements of the LED have died so a new LED panel is next.
Impressed, I bought another version with 5000 lumens for about the same price, for my living room. 130 inches at 5000 lumens is excellent even in the day with the right contrast screen paint, so the projector in this video is very good but if you can get more lumens than this 3000 lumen version.
Fola Dawodu yes it is I have this same projector
What size is the LCD panel on that projector? have you tried changing it but keeping the optics? there are even small 4K screens now
It's not just changing the LCD... you would also have to change the integrated processor, to play fullhd
I purchased a ABOX A6 and noise is terriible like 60 db. I have to practically sit next to the projector due to my projector screen size and room configuration. I build a hush box and it was able to lower by 10 db, which is not enough, so now I am thinking of going chirurgical and change at least the noisiest fan. The image quality is good, so it has potential, but I want to do things right. Do you have any knowledge about the type of fans in the Abox A6 or any advices that could help. Thank you!
so you converted a cheap lcd projector to a great home cinema projector by mounting 2 underpowered fans? wow great
i thought you were at least going to install a more powerful LED
I got one from ebay and they work great. Only downside is the fan noise but will try the new fans, Cheers
I just got a jimtab m18, expecting the fans are the same, probably going to use noctua fans. I may even replace the thermal paste on the LED/heatsink. Since i assume the noctua fans, like the Be Quiet fans have lower airflow. Best to take full advantage of of the heatsink.
Great video! Since you are not using the keystone internal lens, why not just remove it to improve the LED lumens & focus ability? Thanks.
I just did, and it's awesome 😊
Thanks for the tutorial. Did you have any problem with the fan so far? Overheating perhaps?
Very Nice. How much cost the lamp for this model ?
What is the best thing to do? Use hdli to connect to ur pc or VGA?
hi i have the cl760d and i would have changed the fan to have less noise but mine is 3 pin connector and the noctua i have bought by misstake is 4 pin its impossible to plug it.did you comfirm me that your 92mm fan be quiet is 3 pins or you must to cut an adapt it?
thanx a lot for your quick answer
I've tried .... it doesn't work. Blower fan (1st fan in video) much more powerful than BQ pure wings 2. After a minute leds are overheated and black spot appeared on screen.
So DON'T DO THIS, the performance/air transport of these fans are not enough.
tried it too
@@Leo-gd2up hows the result? Did it overheat too? I wanna try and already bought the fans but quite worry because i just found out this comment
@@CrusadogPlay hey, so i basically tried to do the exact same thing as in the video. But the problem is that the fan choosen in the video are clearly not powerfull enough. When i fired it up with the new fan, a black dot appeared in the center of the screen, and it also became really hot. I had to stop it after something like 30-40 seconds because of this getting too hot. After this unsuccessfull try, I decided without any hesitation to put the original fan. By chance the projector didn't have any damage after rechecking that everything was back at it's place.
So honestly, my advice here will be to NOT do what is in this video.
@@Leo-gd2up ok then, thanks for the advice
@@Leo-gd2up So what can we do? His voice is really annoying
After a couple of times using the device, a black spot appeared in the middle of the image.
Do you have a solutions?
put the old fans back in
I replaced my hoodie with a cape. Now I can fly.
How I converted my ass to Superman.
Franchement chapeau ... très astucieux , ce vidéoprojecteur m'intéresse beaucoup mais le rendu d'image est il vraiment bon ?
I've got the Blitzwolf VP6 and I am using this thecnique, maybe i'll upload a video of my result! Nice help!
Did you do It? How is it so far?
@@felippealencar Well, after reading a lot and testing, do not do this tecnique, u will probably burn the lamp. If you need to reduce the noise, it is difficult in this type of chinese projects. The solution is to buy an axial fan but only one of better quality and less noisy, but never change the radial fan. U only can install a resistencia in series with the radial fan to try to reduce the radial fan noise. But i dont recommend any other solution. The resístance should between 20 a 30 ohms.
@@AndresBaraza Sorry to hear that. Isn't there another solution to this? I have vp13 and it really blows my mind sometimes.
Hi and tnx for the video. I have a problem with manual focus, lens
doesn't turn at all so is impossible to set video on focus. I bought it by
gearbest and it seems to me so hard to have a good support by them.
Considering your experience, do you think it's possible to fix it by
myslef and in case if you know how, or I just wait and wait for their
solution? As I opened it the lens (focus) was blocked. Thank you very
much for any kind ot advices. Cristian
Fan change is the upgrade??
🤣
differencies between excelvan ph580 and cl720d ? Thanks
Great work 👍🏻
thanks
Thanks for the tuto.
I did the upgrade.
Perfect !!!
I did a review on the LED projector I got from Wish! I could not be happier
Hallo, wichtige Frage für mich: " Wieso lassen sie den Lüfter nicht wie auf 4:14? Wieso müssen sie ihn dann noch weiter nach hinten machen, so dass vom Winkel her nur noch 20 Grad ungefähr offen sind für die Außenluft? Bei 4:14 hatte er doch eine viele Größere Luftfläche zum einsaugen und einen größeren WInkel.
Sie hätten mit dem Karton den Weg bis zur Außenluftöffnung enger machen können, dass hätt ich verstanden aber den Lüfter dann vom Winkel her so ungünstig zu legen, dass er nurn winzigen offenen Winkel hat versteh ich nicht und was das mit dem Karton dann soll.
Am besten wäre ja eine Kombination. Position von 4:14, dann mit Karton den Weg zur Luft enger machen und den weg vom Lüfter in den Projektor enger. Dass wäre meines erachten nach effizienter, oder?
Where did you get the wall holder for the projector?
Also wondering if there's an effective method to take blower fan apart to clean (i just used compressed air). i know you can get wheel out (the dustiest part) and its wire electronic free so water could get thick dust off wheel (saw crappy just pics video on YT). But blower doesnt have screws holding it together, but really tight snap parts, so dont want to break snapclip things. Also then i could grease wheel motor cylinder. Amazingly you're the only video on youtube taking this model apart (& clone), cant even find fan cleaning
I'm not sure
Without a dought, these are some suitable modifications for this projector, but I can't really say that 200 bucks are worth it for a 150 projector... I have an Epson eh-tw7200 and I have spent 30 bucks for constructiing a extracting/retracting mechanism so that it can hide inside a closet. My point here is that you should spent 30 bucks buying wooden parts and creating a stand of your own. 170 bucks for a stand is a lot...
What kind of connectors are the fans using?
Hi why is the picture goes to the side
Projector is use for monitoring also?i ask because i work as a domistic helper thats why i worried about this thanks
DOES IT STILL WORK А YEAR LATER????
It's not a bad hack. The projector has a 720p native resolution and is under $100. The issue is that without proper cooling the light will start to overheat the LCD panel which can cause permanent damage. If you have a decent sound system, you're not going to hear the fans of a projector. I replaced the halogen bulb in a cheap $30 projector with a more powerful one and it works fine as long as you keep it cool. Otherwise the LCD starts to turn black from the heat within a few minutes. Cheap low res projectors are more useful for outdoor use on camping trips or for projecting holiday imagery on a house. If you want to watch movies, save your pennies and buy something better.
i removed all the screws but the front part seems to have unother screw. cannot open it
Hi! Which cable from BeQuiet fans is cable for temperature control?
So all you have done is changed the fans! not really a conversion is it?
true
NICE! The only thing about these cheap Chinese projectors is that the intake fan doesn't have a dust filter. After using one myself, I notice that the lens started to show a lot of dark spots. I open the projector to find that the LED film was covered with dust. I used a soft cloth to remove the dust and closed it and power it up. All the spots were gone. But found myself having to do this over and over again. Do you know what can I do DIY that can stop the dust as a dust filter?
We used to use dryer sheets or panty hose as dust filters, for PCs, all the time. In the older days of PC modding. You could also go to most hardware stores and get some cheap air conditioner filter material, the type that is just foam, and cut it to what ever size you need. It won't keep all the dust out but will reduce it.
Hi, thanks a lot for your video !! I intend to buy a cl720. I might install a noctua 80mm 1200 ( very low noise around 10db). What do you think about it ?
sounds like a good idea, make sure you get the right size fan and let me know how it went, thanks ron
Me thinks he should only replace second fan which is the same size. The cardboard stuff I don’t like. Or maybe disconnect first fan and mount other outside the projector?
Some real idiotic comments being displayed here. First of all, this is not a professional home theater projector. Yes we are all aware of that, however you can mod a cheap Chinese projector into making it perform better. Noice is the biggest concern regarding these projectors making it less suitable for a quiet movie night. In my case I actually used a buck converter to LOWER the output of the LED and by that be able to reduce the speed of the fans without risking melting the lcd and lenses. In a darkened bedroom you don’t need the full power of the LED.
I am super happy with my modded $150 projector and I don’t need a 4000k one. If you like tinkering this is what you do. If not, by all means buy an expensive one then.
Great video👍🏻
Me watching tutorials for things i'll never do..
Lol 😂😂😂 me to why is it when i take things apart there's always a spare screw cog. What ever. It just gets binned because never works again. Guess i do try hey 😏😏🤔🤔😜
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Don't know how I'm still alive. I end up costing me a fortune when I mess.
Hi, what's the name of the sound (noise) level app?
I am looking to experiment with mich higher brightness LED light sources in these cheap projectors. It seems to me this would be the primary way to make the picture far brighter. I did however break a projector already opening it to clean the mirror that somehow got a spec of debris caught in an adhesive that held it in place causing a big black blob on the screen. There was a black piece of adhesive backed cloth that completely covered the lcd ribbon cable to the point you couldnt tell the cable was under it. When I pulled the cloth to get to the stuff underneath it it separated the cable from The screen. It was quite irritating. The projector this happened on was a Yowhick native 1080p. It was decent but now I have a Yaber Y21 on the way which supposedly has overly loud fans as well. I may consider replacing them.
good luck
Much higher brightness will generally mean much more heat. More efficient LEDs will produce less heat for the same brightness rating though, so that may counteract it *somewhat*. You will need suitable fans to keep the temperature under control, or you'll have serious problems(& possible dangers).
i wonder if it is possible to fix irregular focus in these chinese projectors.. mine is great, but cant have the whole screen in focus..maybe replacing lenses
Make sure the projector is oriented 90 degrees to the whole in each direction first of all. eg: If the projector is tilted down, then the top projection distance is shorter than the bottom so they can't both be in focus without a special lens design.
I was waiting for this video. Thanks a lot and good job !!
Not the best idea for sure...anyhow... The change of the axial fan is normally fine but you should have a look on the datasheet for the cfm and ! important ! the static pressure. An exchange should have similiar values. You should be fine by using a low noise fan even with lower specs because the led has typically a temperature sensor. Most probably the light output is reduced afterwards. Feel free to seal the connection to the cooler with aluminium tape or something heat resistant. Maybe this result in similiar performance / light output and lower noise. The exchange of a radial fan isn't that easy when using the original place. Radial fans have a really high static pressure compared to the cfm / airflow. Futhermore this fan is responsible to cool down the screen. Too much heat and you kill it. If you don't want to cut the housing to use a proper solution by using e.g. a big low noise axial fan it should be okay to reduce the rpm a little bit with a resistor... But ensure... The projector shouldn't see high ambient temperatures in a bad place afterwards. The screen normally don't have a temperature sensor and in genetal the projectors suck by not having temperature regulated fans.
Yeah. I just did it today. It's not working 😢
This projector colors is valid only for old movies and cartoons for kids. But i still will keep it, for summer house, as it still better than laptop or 32" tv.
I hope this projectory vompany is taking notes. You should patent and sell your ideas
Very informative. Thanks!
Can you do one with a , Artlii Portable LED Projector
I got the new magnetic levitation fans super quiet no bearings they are pricey at $29 but if you look around and or have coupons you can grab them for a cheaper price
i have the same projector i have an issue after 1 year that i dont use it, it wont turn on, if i press turn on button it does not nothing.
What RPM is the 80mm fan supposed to be does anyone know?
the screen will burn with that fan
yep, I rather just remove the stupid blower fan along with that side panel and the useless speaker and put a 120mm pressure optimized fan for rads with a dust filter and funnel, that thing creates more than twice the air flow that the original fan does while being totally silent and costing around 20$ shipped, at that point, this 100$ projector is an excellent buy, its essentially an "HD" screen at around 100" for about 120$ total, thats just unbeatable
but just for fun though, I'm thinking of replacing the lamp's heatsink-fan with a cpu AIO liquid cooler I have lying around, should last for decades running at half the current temp, I sometimes hear the plastic creaking due to heat stress(probably)
I’d like to understand why does it burn?
as there won't be enough cooling for the LCD.. when it gets overheated, it turns black. If you're Lucky after cooling down it will work again.. otherwise it really burned
Denny C I would like to understand too; what screen is been talked about? I thought it was so easy that no screen is needed for showing with a beamer. I just use my white wall. So, which screen will burn?
Pascal De Rudder inside the projector theres a small LCD screen. With strong light and lenses the image on the lcd will be projected into a screen or a wall (your choice). Because the light is so strong n most likely the position is close to the lcd screen... without proper cooling this will burn the lcd.. or simply the lcd got heated=turns black. I hope it is clear :)
Screw the warranty ... Right guys ??
warranty? cmon its a tech experiment. When you need warranty just leave it untouched.
Chinese projectors with warranties aren't a thing. Nice try though.
Don't understand why fan noise even matters. Ive got a projector and when Im watching anything its with a sound system and I can't hear any fans..
how to fix the blurriness
I just tried this today.
The panel overheating, no matter what i do.
The radiation fan give direct and stronger air, then the bequiet one.
thank you for the feedback
Any replacement fan will need to be able to move at least as much air, they're typically rated as ...CFM(cubic feet per minute) The air pressure rating may well also be important, or the fan may not be able to push enough air through despite the CFM rating.
Cool video
thanks
Mi proyector tiene una abertura en la parte de abajo donde puedo limpiar el lcd y el polarizado y probe con un ventilador de 12v y uno de 5v y este último me funciona mejor xq le da el aire que nececita en cambio el de 12v la pantalla se oscurece ( le agregué un ventilador xq le había salido unas manchas amarillas y por ahora funciona bien
will be interesting change the lens to reduce de angle.
My CL720D is making a loud noise every time i turn it on now. Had it for nearly 2 years, and it's been perfect up till now, any idea what is causing the problem? i Have to turn it off and then back on around 2-3 times before the noise stops. any help with this would be very grateful..=]
Oh and i have contacted the seller on Amazon and the manufacturer, but still waiting for a response, which is disappointing.
fleebleflam probably the fans are full of dust, try cleaning them
I PAINTED THE CASE ON MY CHEAP PROJECTOR... IT'S NOW A TRANSFORMER AND WE SAVE THE WORLD TOGETHER.
Hi, i did exactly the same as you did, with the same fans from be quiet, but when i turn on the projector, after a few minutes the screen starts to turn black, i think that is because of the 82mm fan, but i dont know how to solve this problem.
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same as you, so i installed a fanmate to regule the speed and the noise of the main fan and so far so good
Hi, i try to change the fans (be quiet!) but when i turn on the projector, it was the same thing that happened with your projector (the picture's right part started to black). I have to change back the original fans.
Maybe the be quiet! fans can't rotate so fast than the original fans. I try to connect to 12V adapter but they (be quiet! pure wings 2 80 and 92 mm) were so slow.
Hey man, why do the lcd burn with the new fans?
Bruno G. Lopes Hi, becasue the new fan couldn't profe enough aircondition to the lcd. I try them with any adapter, but they were too slow to be good for this therm.
At 1:57 you show 38dB with original fans.
How much dB do you get with new/replaceable/quieter fans?
In the end that is all about, isn’t it`?
And how much is the temperature of the beamer after 3h of movies?
Your cardboard funnel handcraft work may be good for short period of time while you recorded the video, but that cannot be a good technical solution for long run.
There is one more thing which is not proper done: you should have checked the datasheet/parameters of the original fan and look at CFM + dB and then compare that with the new installed fans.
For instance, the fan near the power supply is marked “MODEL LD9025MS1, ROYCE ELECTRONIC, Low Noise. Long Life-Time, 12VDC, 0.2W, Shenzhen Lescott Technology CO., LTD” but I could not find any contact to that company. We do not know the CFM and dB. That fan is used also to extract the heat from the power supply. One solution is to replace that power supply with fanless one, bigger and outside of the beamer, then it would remain only the fan for LED lamp.
The right way is to take the fans out and measure their CFM at full speed/voltage and then to find quieter fans with similar specs, but lower noise.
Beside you origina suggestion of using fans from www.bequiet.com , there are also other brands seen here: www.quietpc.com/casefans
In the end, the best solution, which requires more time and effort, is to make a hush box for the beamer. In this way you can let the original fans inside the beamer and mount quiet fans at the hush box air flow openings.
Does anyone know were to get the firmware update for this?
bump
A projector especially a cheap one can get as hot as 200•c and you put a piece of flammable cardboard mad and dangerous. £200 plus risking a fire wow.
A éviter a tous prix ! J'ai claqué 20€ pour que l'écran noircisse après 2min car le ventilo de 80mm ne permet pas de remplacer le ventilo "radial" qui envoie beaucoup plus d'air .
Je vais essayer de garder le silence que les ventilos apportent en rajoutant un ventilo sous le LCD et un autre a la place des speakers
est ce que le gain de bruit en vaut la chandelle avec vos modifications ? cela fait 1 an maintenant, votre appareil a tenu dans le temps ? merci
Hd me port?
Pretty cool modifications!
thank you
Nice work !
Title should be "How to change the fans in a projector". I mean that's all that's been done here, except for the comments about the keystone lens.
maybe
Hi, would it be possible to remove the keystone lens completely ?
hi, very good question, i tryed it but then the picture was way to big and cut off, so i put it back in
Thanks for the reply and thanks for the very helpful video
awesome work !
I noticed only now that you measured again the noise at minute 6:26 and was 18dB.
I also noticed only now on your text under video that the side fan is 92mm, which is strange according with manufacturer specs.
The 92mm fan is seen well on its package at minute 5:05.
Then I have seen also that you have the German version of the video:
th-cam.com/video/9TQdEQZE9Ow/w-d-xo.html
I will come back later with more info.