CREGFIX.VXD: now we can install Windows Millennium on (very) modern hardware!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 พ.ค. 2024
- How about some Windows ME experience on modern hardware? In this video Windows Millennium is installed on a Intel 13th Gen CPU with the help of cregfix.vxd - the driver version of the original cregfix released by Mintsuki.
Download links:
github.com/LordOfMice/Tools/b...
archive.org/details/PATCHMEM
archive.org/details/PTCHNVSZ (R. Loew's patches for nVidia 6&7000 series) - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
I am really happy someone converted my cregfix to a VXD, it's probably the best way to use it in combination with Windows 9x. I would've done it myself but I lack enough Win9x knowledge to know how to do that :p
Next thing would be to get BIOS manufacturers to fix the issue at the root so that cregfix isn't needed anymore!
first 'next' thing is a pull request to your git with the source for the VXD version. I'm not at all comfortable using code this low-level if I can't see what it does.
@@zakpappnase Yeah this is something I can agree with, hopefully the creator of the VXD version or someone else does that...
@@__mintsuki Not only that, but... I highly doubt mobo manu's will ever want to fix their boards to support the most beautifully broken version of windows possibly ever.
That said, I might still install it on an old Vostro 1710 I have been modifying/refurbishing.
@@ManuFortis well I mean, it's not just for Windows ME, all Windows 9x need the fix. Plus, what is the point of providing CSM for backwards compatibility to then break every assumption the most common legacy OSes make?
Odds are, the csm module is common across all the boards.
Does anyone know exactly when it broke?
If dankpods has taught me anything, it’s that there’s no fixing CRAIG
No dude named Craig was hurt during the process. :) Btw, CREGFIX comes from Control Registry Fix.
Not even a fresh set of PK Cells will fix a CRAIG
Shrek on a CRAAAAAIIIIIIG!
Can you believe nobody bought this?.
my brand new craaaig. can you believe no ooone bought this?
The startup sound was the best thing from this. A snapshot from my childhood playing The Sims (and intermittent freezing).
dear lord that startup sound must bring so many memories for the people who lived with it.
From my childhood memories: survived it. XP was heaven after ME.
Only pain.
Hold me.
First introduced with Windows 2000 before ME.
Only horror, and dread.
Xp is the sound I goo for.
It's amazing how soft and inviting that sound is, but also how painful and frustrating the memories linked to that jingle are...
Even thought I wouldn't do this, I love watching this! I'm satisfied with Hyper-V and 86Box for my old Windows needs, but still this blows me away. Keep the videos rolling!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Best thumbnail ever
Thanks. This was the first version: imgur.com/2UED6EX And... 1H+ later the one that is now published. A good coffee was required. :)
It's very funny to see how the desktop fully loaded when the first notes of the startup sound were played.
Windows ME on modern hardware?!?
NOOOOOOOO! HAVEN'T WE SUFFERED ENOUGH?!?!?
HAHAHAHA. Windows Mistake Edition lives.
WINDOWS MEME
bit of sadomasochism isn't it?
@@jordisesmero2348 Depends on your previous experiences with Windows Me. I had Windows Me on Pentium 4/1.6ghz PC at my first job. I used Me daily for 2 years didn't occur to me that was bad or good, just another Windows. I wish I had problems with that PC so I can take a break :)))
Someone in Reddit managed to run Ryzen 9 3900x on Windows ME a while back lol.
Easier to patch an older Win9x OS' than it is to get ReactOS up to speed, I guess. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy seeing these types of videos, but I also would like there to finally be a Windows oriented OS without the Microsoft bloat. Also, the WinME start up sound sent me into an instant nostalgia trip.
just use win2k
Wow! The community really made some really great job here!
Though I am too young for that OS, that definitely cool to have possibility to install those on modern hardware!
Thanks for the video!
Yes, you should install when you want to disconnect from the internet and relax. You can reboot anytime and in 20 seconds you are back into a modern Windows.
Windows ME was the worst version of windows ever made
Great video and I will try to use that vxd!!!
I have to try this....... i HAVE TO TRY THIS NOOOOOW !!!!! Excelent channel, subscribed right now !!!!
Awesome! Thank you!
Very cool! Good stuff mate.
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Love stuff like this.
Thank god we can all install the worst operating system ever
This is how we can start to appreciate how good Windows 11 actually is... :)
If we could get rid of all the telemetry, spyware, MS Store and advertising, then Win11 would be pretty good. The GUI is much nicer looking than Win10.
i get the feeling it's easier now to run winME on these platforms than winXP :>
Not quite. WinXP has backported ACPI 2.0 and NVMe drivers. Not to mention native multiprocessor support.
@@SomeAngryGuy1997 oh nice, that is good to know actually. i already had problems getting win7 installed on ryzen, due to usb3 (for keyboard and mouse) not working at all. maybe xp is easier :D
@@baumstamp5989 Oh, that has already been backported to 7 as well, even Vista
If we take only the original installation discs Windows ME will win against XP. Mainly because it can be installed in "MS-DOS compatibility mode" where BIOS will handle the disk drive. Windows XP will give 0x000007B BSOD instead when can't initialize the disk drive. However, if you use the right installation disc with all backported drivers it's easy to install XP on almost anything. You should watch this video: th-cam.com/video/pE3CswJweqs/w-d-xo.html
@@O_mores very interesting! thkx!!
super video, Omores
this is amazing
Foarte frumos.
Such a nice video always! Would you do some retro-gaming focused videos using ancient OSes someday? Cheers!
Yes, I planing to make some gaming videos. I will post very soon some compilations here: www.youtube.com/@retr_os/shorts
@@O_mores Excellent 👌🏻 Will follow immediately! Multumesc
Is the Supermium browser working?
well... this is wicked... since I have bad memory of Win ME for having unstable system very long time ago LOL
Yes, depending on hardware and drivers especially Windows Me was a hit or miss. In my case case was a hit... Windows Me was installed on a 2000 computer and stayed in service until 2005. (not my main computer)
With the pentium 233 I had and the adlib gold card with a voodoo banshee worked so well, and was cooler than 98se.. I always had great memories. I kept it up until I got a duron 900 or something like that. I begrudgingly went to xp, and remembered a lot not working anymore from my dos and early 90s games.. eventually most worked, not all. And 64 bit ended them all for the most. Especially many 16bit windows games.
I wonder why many people say that windows ME is bad. I used Windows ME for several years back then in P3, Athlon thunderbird, Athlon XP, early P4 with no issue. It even better than 98SE. I even still have my P3 450 running windows ME till this day with no issue :)
@@Shadixs I was running ME on the first Athlon X2 CPU with no problem. What DID crash were sound card drivers and they didn't care if they were running on ME or 98se, they still liked to blue screen at will.
Awesome
Thank you for this video, but can you explain how a graphic card works with high resolution? Where do you get drivers for modern graphic cards and Sound cards that work on Windows ME?
I'm happy you enjoyed this "time travel experience"... Windows Me had support from Microsoft until mid 2006. Hardware manufacturers stopped making drivers for Windows 98/ME about the same time. So if you pick a PCI-Express GPU from ATI or nVidia dated 2005-2006 you can find Windows ME drivers. PCI-Express is the same as PCI for Windows 98/Me you don't need chipset drivers, you simply install video drivers and get full HD resolution using a PCI-E GPU.
I love that the outro music sounded like it came from a Sega Genesis game.
I will make a video with this tune (Laxity - The Alibi) using a Creative Sound Blaster AWE 64 Gold.
@@O_mores I feel like I've heard this before, but faster and not same instruments... perhaps a cracktro or something?
@@GizmoTheGreen Maybe this one? soundcloud.com/c64er/the-alibi-by-laxity
@@O_mores Sega sounding music and Sound Blaster!? Will the video be about 90s nostalgia?
@@GizmoTheGreen It's also a mod by Jogeir Liljedahl called "Mystified"
you are the best
I haven’t watched the whole video yet… but I gotta try this. I have every version of windows from 3.11 on. And I have a few newer Intel cpus laying around.. I might even buy a 14th gen just to do this.
Well, a 14th Gen CPU will be just fine for sure, but to make your life easier be sure to pick a good motherboard for this project with at least 1 PCI port and maybe 2 * PS/2 ports. If you find a socket 1700 motherboard with 2 classic PCI slots please let me know. There are industrial motherboards with even more PCI slots but I'm looking for a consumer motherboard. I found a B760 from Gigabyte with 1 classic PCI. Still looking...
Very cool indeed...
that's one operating system id rather forget. awesome video though xD
I prefer Windows 98 SE, but seeing Windows Me running without errors makes me feel good ... :)
Have you looked into updating the installation media so you don't have to boot from USB?
The installation media is the same as the installation drive. My modus operandi: I copy Windows installation kit on SSD, I make that SSD drive DOS bootable, I boot from it and I start the installation from there. The most compatible way. What is your approach?
Is there other patches for other windows like 95 on a modern computer?
Yes, there are. You will need cregfix if the CPU is too new. ( > 2020+) Here is Windows 95 running on an Intel 13th Gen CPU/Asus H610 motherboard: th-cam.com/video/gTaUTx6xPE4/w-d-xo.html . You will find there instruction on how to install it.
Does the chipset matter? I have an old Sandy bridge PC and I was wanting to know if it would be possible for me to install ME on it? Also, do you have to have a period correct graphics card that has drivers already made for Windows ME. Or can you use modern graphics cards like a gt630?
Chipset doesn't matter. As a bonus on a Sandy Bridge configuration you can use the onboard USB, check out this video: th-cam.com/video/XCaJML-M808/w-d-xo.html. You can use a modern graphics like GT630 but only with a 2D driver. (look for VBE driver) You can play games in software mode rendering, as many of us did back in the time. If you want 3D acceleration you have to use some PCI/PCI-E with actual Windows Me drivers, look for an ATI card it's easy to install and last official drivers are made for Windows ME. (they work in 98 also, but only ME is officially supported)
@@O_mores thank you, I do have another question. How does the pci-e slot work without chipset drivers?
@@The10021k-guy At the software level, PCI Express preserves backward compatibility with PCI; legacy PCI system software can detect and configure newer PCI Express devices without explicit support for the PCI Express standard, though new PCI Express features are inaccessible. Don't forget the classic PCI can be also used in operating systems like Windows 3.1 or NT 3.1 while they also are not aware of PCI standard. (in that cases the driver will do all the work)
Now you have made all the retro enthusiasts save like a tons of $$$ on hardware :D Just buy a semi-retro graphics card, install Win9x, and enjoy all the 1995-2010 games.
Exactly! But many people still don't understand why installing Windows 9x/Me on real hardware is so practical.
great video. I was thinking install win98 on my old core 2 duo system. Is there a win 9x patched drivers for g41 chipset?
Intel GMA G41 will work in 98 only with standard VBE drivers bearwindows.zcm.com.au/vbe9x.htm - so you can play some titles in software mode like Unreal (very good software engine) or Half Life while you search for a better GPU, maybe something from ATI or else you have to use some patches to get nVidia 6&7 series running.
@@O_mores any recommendation for pcie gpu and sound card which will work with 9x?
Almost any PCI sound card will work with Windows 98. I'm using an Avance Logic ALS4000 because it has drivers for Windows NT 3.51, but you can pick something more fancy like Creative SB Live! For video, PCI-E ATI GPUs are easier to install - no patching needed, if an ATI card works then it really works... With latest PCI-E nVidia cards (6&7 series) they may seem to work (drivers will install), but multiple patches are needed to get them actually work.
Wait a minute, does this mean that even 13th generation and probably 14th generation Intel CPUs and motherboards can run operating systems that use BIOS instead of UEFI? I thought Intel had removed BIOS support
Motherboards have CSM, without it you wouldn't be able to boot legacy boot disks
Not yet, CSM is still present even in some very fancy motherboards like this "ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 APEX Motherboard Intel Z790 LGA1700 DDR5 m.2 ATX USB 3.2" You can even find socket 1700 motherboards with 4 classic PCI slots/3 PCI-E/PS/2 etc: www.dfi.com/product/index/1628
@@Kizoky. Many new laptops have CSM disabled so they will get less support calls if CSM gets enabled and the drive is GPT.
So hey, what is the music you use during your montage segments?
Hey, I think I mentioned in the video at the end. Search for Laxity - The Alibi.
@@O_mores you did....but I couldn't understand it.
@@Melechtna Still, this is something if you watched the video till the very end, usually the last 20-30 seconds are like the credits from a movie...
@@O_mores Okay, I was trying to be polite about this. Your enunciation wasn't good enough for me to actually make out the name. I knew you said it, but I couldn't understand you.
@@Melechtna I know that sometimes my pronunciation is a hit or miss... :) But things will get better.
Does it work with UEFI? since some modern motherboards don’t have CSM support.
Doesn't work with UEFI. If you are interested into stuff like this, you should pick a motherboard with CSM, especially since now you can get it for free. I'm guessing that in a few years, only industrial motherboards will offer this option. My first filter for picking a motherboard is PS/2 ports. For example: "ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 APEX Motherboard Intel Z790 LGA1700 DDR5 m.2 ATX USB 3.2" has 2 PS/2 ports and this is telling me that must be CSM compatible even if it's something like top of the line.
I miss the days of DOS. Fond memories and good times.
Would this work with 98? And with and RTX 3060 with 12 gen i5?
12 & 13th Gen are basically the same so the CPU we know for sure it will work. But I didn't test any RTX 3xxx series with Windows 98. I did test an RTX 2070 Super with Windows Me and VBE drivers worked fine @full HD. You have to settle with software rendering in games. You should watch this video on how to fix crazy mouse behaviour: th-cam.com/video/XCaJML-M808/w-d-xo.html - These are VBE driver for Windows 9x: bearwindows.zcm.com.au/vbe9x.htm
@@O_mores Thanks so much!
You’re in Budapest?! I’d love to hear about where you live
Hello, not from Budapest but close to the other big city that is often misspelled as Budapest. :)
Huh, neat! But is IS a driver. VXDs *are* drivers.
You don't have to wrap it in quotes. Just because it's not what you'd expect as a driver doesn't make it not one :p
Noted, quotes are gone. If you'll watch the video you'll see that cregfix.vxd is actually treated as an omnipotent driver. :)
@@O_mores I'm watching it in spurts, because I'm at work :p
I'm going to tongue-in-cheek tease you for a moment, I know it ain't your fault, but your accent makes it sound like you're enunciating it as "crackfix", instead of "c-reg-fix" :p
WOW
so how fast will it be attacked and broken by junk from internet after connecting it to the web?
nice install though
On my main PC (Ryzen 9 3900X) I have a Windows 98SE installation since December 2019 - and it is connected to the internet. I don't boot into that Windows like everyday, but when I do... I play some Quake 2, Quake 3 online, Unreal Tournament etc. Also I'm using Retrozilla to search and download stuff. So far, so good... no malware bothered with my Windows 98 installation and actually I think it would be hard to get infected even if I want to.
Would be surprised if anything is left actively targeting those old vulnerabilities.
Cicero! O Mores, O Tempora! Rident stolidi verba Latina.
I need something like this for WinXP x64, my beloved.
I will make a Win XP 64 bit video. Meanwhile you can check this Windows XP on NVMe video posted recently: th-cam.com/video/pE3CswJweqs/w-d-xo.html
is this good for win98 too?
Yes, initially cregfix was released for Windows 98. Check out this video with detailed instruction on how to perform a installation on modern hardware: th-cam.com/video/XCaJML-M808/w-d-xo.html
Hi, again! Sorry for too many messages. I tried all your solutions but no luck. Windows 2000 can do chkdsk in boot screen so uniata driver works very good. But after chkdsk, it goes to black screen. I cannot see login screen. There should be a solution. Do you have another solutions or should I give up?
Did tried everything related to video? Like disabling the dedicated card if present/possible, run in VGA mode etc?
@@O_mores there is only one vga card. Old iGPU. I changed all possible BIOS settings but no luck.
When you try VGA mode what happens?
@@O_mores same thing
Is your laptop MPS compatible? I have a 2K MPS archive. Check MPS with SIV: rh-software.com/
I should probably mention there's an issue with (what seems to be) newer AMD GPUs and 9x oses in general (i can't remember Windows 3.11 because i haven't tested it in about 3 years) but the contents of the screen will be extremely garbled, and it seems like VBEMP 9x doesn't work on these GPUs (mine is an RX5500XT), so keep an eye out for that if anyone's going to try this on their machine. As far as my testing goes, VBEMP NT is unaffected.
Indeed, there is some artifacting when installing Windows 9x across multiple hardware generations, it's not specific to AMD GPUs. Depends mainly on your motherboard. I'm getting artifacting even with a PCI Voodoo 3 installed on a Ryzen 9 3900X configuration. But it will go away once proper drivers are installed. From my own experience with VBEMP 9x drivers there are working better in ME than in 98SE.
@@O_mores Seems like we're both on a ryzen machine, maybe that's what's wrong?
@@megadeth5840 Not necessarily. This video about Windows ME was made on an Intel 13100F/Asus H610 motherboard - I get the same type of artifacts with a nVidia GT630 card but not with an older 7900GS. But on my Ryzen setup even a 1999 3dfx Voodoo 3 is artifacting. Anyway glitches are going away once I install proper drivers.
If somebody could figure out how to include modern security updates, it would be amazing to run an old OS like this as a daily driver!
Oh, yeah! A better browser like Supermium would be big! Anyway since I can run Windows 98/ME on the same hardware with Windows 10, I can do my work there then reboot and take a break from the Internet. I few years ago when I was writing a book I used Windows 98 for editing so I don't end up every 5 minutes on Facebook.
@@O_mores I love using XP on VirtualBox, but of course, I can't do anything personal on the Internet. If I could, I'd be super excited!
try running modern apps on windows me, like Google Chrome 125 Photoshop 2024 Office 2021 etc
From these apps I have Windows 10 on NVMe on the same computer. I will reboot into Windows Me just to take a break from Chrome.
Just FYI Windows 98 SE and ME can handle a gig of RAM with no issue or patches.
(Take advantage of, im not so sure)
One of my retroboxes runs a 1.2GHz Talautin Pentium iii @ 1.5GHz (133MHz BUS), 1GB SDRAM, a 64GB IDE SSD and SLIed 12MB Voodoo2s, Soundblaster AWE32 and a USB 2.0 card running 98SE with no issue and without a single patch sans the updated USB 2.0 Driver.
Yes, in theory, but also it depends on hardware, especially on modern setups. For example, I was trying to play Thief and didn't start with MaxPhysPage=30000 (768MB) on a Intel 3770K but it worked with 512MB. So I think it's better to start with less RAM and test all your games and software, then "upgrade" to 1GB or more (with patchmem).
Romanul nostru :} 12:21
I like Windows ME
Can you make Windows 98SE or Windows XP work on new hardware?
Yes, of course! Watch these playlists that are trying to cover all you need to know about installing Windows 98 & XP on modern hardware. For Windows 98 SE this one: th-cam.com/play/PLomaAsb2xNcC2VnT9GrR5bt7BKgOciZv6.html And for Windows XP this one: th-cam.com/play/PLomaAsb2xNcBrD7X1DUl6LqyVXB2EhXo_.html
or you can use it as a vhdx file and mount that in win11 as a virtual partition
I saw the file type...I wonder what happened that type of file, anyway? No wonder there's a reason why we never see the .vxd file extension anymore. Unless somebody now uses it for something else today, if so, I haven't encountered it yet.
"VxD is the device driver model used in Microsoft Windows/386 2.x, the 386 enhanced mode of Windows 3.x, Windows 9x, and to some extent also by the Novell DOS 7, OpenDOS 7.01, and DR-DOS 7.02 (and higher) multitasker (TASKMGR).[1] VxDs have access to the memory of the kernel and all running processes, as well as raw access to the hardware. Starting with Windows 98, Windows Driver Model was the recommended driver model to write drivers for, with the VxD driver model still being supported for backward compatibility, until Windows Me." (wiki)
@@O_mores interesting. I had no idea that it went that far back. That’s actually kind of cool. And I don’t think that writing drivers has gotten any easier, even in the most modern of Windows operating systems. Lol then again, I’ve never tried actually programming that low level. I don’t think, I’d have the smarts to be able to do that. Lol.
Link to m.2 to ssd converter please? I would like one. Thanks!
Hello, this is it: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/134478923690
@O_mores many thanks for the prompt reply!
Device driver not found: 'BANANA'.
No valid CDROM device drivers selected.
Sad banana 🍌.
Computiliation 😊
A lot of new laptops don't even have CSM in the BIOS so booting any non-UEFI OS like DOS or Win9x isn't possible.
Indeed, but installing Windows 9x on a modern laptop on real hardware it's not something that I would do for fun anyway... There is not much fun when you cannot add hardware to an older OS. On this configuration there are 3 separate cards compatible with Windows ME. (nVidia 7900GS/PCI-E to USB 2.0 adapter & ALS4000 PCI sound card). Ideally, along these 3 cards you need a powerful RTX card and you can do serious work in Windows 10/11 then reboot for some retro action in Windows ME.
@@O_mores Yeah, true. Some people are working on legacy emulators that boot in UEFI mode though. Can't kill DOS!
@@damienretro4416 impossible. You can only do it to a certain, very limited degree, where you wouldn't be able to run most legacy OSes. Unless we're talking about full blown VMs/emulators that simply boot using UEFI... but honestly that is just fake, not any more "real" than using a VM on a normal OS.
Working in Call centre in 2001, I supported Windows Me on a Hewlett Packard Brio
Yeah, yeah, but you were so preoccupied with whether or not you could that you didn't stop to think if you should ;)
I guess that someone would install Windows 9x/Me on real hardware for the same reasons it is installing it on a VM. And there is much fuss with VMs and especially PCEM. The difference is that if you use a real GPU @20$ you get better frame rate than an emulated GPU on a 2000$ PC. :)
@@O_mores i was just joking because the mere sight of Windows M(ultiple) E(enemas) desktop was enough to trigger my PTSD and make me curl in the corner of my room suckling my thumb.
i remember when i upgraded my (mostly) fonctional windows 98SE with it, only to have it blue screen every 5 minutes.
in the list of the worst windows version, i think this one still take the cake ^^
This is perfect, now all it needs is modern GPU compatibility, and Steam along with everything else 🤣🤣🤣
This is the catch when installing Windows 98/ME on a modern computer -> now you are in Windows ME - restart - and 20 seconds later you are back into Windows 10/11. All it takes is to find a compatible PCI/PCI-E GPU and a sound card. Or maybe you want to add a PCI-E to USB card like in the video and you can use your USB headphones.
@@O_mores Huh?
I mean you can easily dual boot Windows 98/ME with Windows 10/11 - using the same hardware, without compromises. You just have to add some cheap older PCI-E/PCI cards. I don't think anyone would advocate to use Windows 98/Me/2K as I daily operating system. Just for recreation.
@@O_mores Ok.
@@O_mores So basically you could build a monster rig and have a retro gaming PC in one package.
that's really cool actually!
Windows ME can handle larger than 32 GB drive. 98 Se can, its up to 2 TB (max for fat 32) its above 120 gb for 98 SE that gets fussy but i'\ve seen it handle 500 gb too. Should be able to do the same with ME
When installing Windows 9x/Me on SATA/SSD - you have to take in consideration that initially the disk drive is handled in "MS-DOS compatibility mode" - by BIOS and not by Windows Me. After installing 32bit drivers we can go wild... :)
@@O_mores fair enough, so make a go wild video.
After all back in the day we dreamed about having all the hdd space in the world for all our games.
lets see that come true
Windows ME was the best Windows ever, IMHO. It has almost all good features from XP, but runs much better with less memory usage. Also, it has the best user interface of all Windows. The colors, the icons, the Tahoma font, the logo.... For me, it was the pinacle for Windows.
My first installation of Windows ME was in august 2000 on a Pentium 233/64MB/Voodoo Banshee and some ISA sound card with Yamaha YMF724 chip. All this hardware was recognized by Windows ME so I had sound and a good video resolution right from the first use. Nice memories.
Yeah... but why?! 🤣🤣🤣
Just kidding, nice work!
I remember that cursed windows, the machine frozen so hard many times , the hard disk died lol.
It was a hit or miss, depending on hardware and drivers. If you'll read the comments many people were happy with Windows Me, while others didn't have exactly the best experience... :)
you are better than microsft team
It’s a shame the MSDos patch for windows ME can’t be installed before you install Windows
I think for the same reasons people are installing older operating systems on VMs. On real hardware you get more raw performance, not to mention what a real GPU can do vs an emulated one. It's literally easy to install Windows 98/Me on a spare SSD than setting up a VM for it.
@@O_mores oh yes, I agree. I have a 486 for pre 95, an Athlon with sli voodoo2 for 98 era. GeForce 5 for my XP build. It’s fun to experiment putting old operating systems onto modern hardware too. Virtualisation comes at a cost for sure 👍
Windows me Spacetoon Arabic channel was established in 2000
I have i3-12100F will it work?
Yes, it will work for sure. What motherboard do you have?
@@O_mores ASUS-PRO-B660M-C yes, it is classic green too :)
@@chevycaprice87 Nice! However, without any classic PCI slot you should look for a cheap PCI-E to PCI adapter (about 15$ on sites like ali/ebay) or a cheap PCI-E sound card with CMI8738 chip, it will totally work with ME.
Oh dear, Mistake Edition!
can it run on a Phenom II?
Yes, you don't even need cregfix.vxd on a Phenom II, you only need to limit the amount of RAM using MaxPhysPage=xxxx.
@@O_mores oh actually that's crazy
@@O_mores wait does that mean I can install Windows 2000 or something
Yes, Windows 2000 will work. I have it on this configuration, even with multi-CPU support. Check out this video about Windows 2K: th-cam.com/video/osoLP8Vm-Yc/w-d-xo.html
@@O_mores thanks man
When I boot from the Windows 98 USB it forces my SSD to D: Both A: and C: are the Pen drive
If the USB controller is recognized by Windows 98 (which is not the case with modern hardware) you can't boot from it. When it is not recognized, the USB drive is handled by BIOS and the performance may vary... Anyway you should format your USB drive and make it bootable with SYS command. Here is a video of Windows 98 running from an external USB SSD which is basically the same as any other USB drive: th-cam.com/video/2aJqq2wnHKQ/w-d-xo.html
@@O_mores it's so frustrating. Your methods have brought me further than I've ever been on this intel H110 ITX Ali express mother board. I've made the SSD bootable on either a USB adapter or a SATA port, but it gets stuck at 'copying windows files to your computer" 23 minutes and doesn't progress.
Either way I appreciate you helping the 9X "community" if you can call it that, install these wonderful operating systems on modern hardware.
@@foch3 Hmm.. Did you followed these exact steps? You copied Win98 installation kit onto your SSD -> booted from SSD -> started installation from there? If so, maybe it's something wrong with your SATA/AHCI configuration. Use SATA port 0, then give it a try to AHCIFIX.386 *made made primarily for Windows 3.x but it is compatible with Window 9x also*. You have to insert this line into WINDOWS\SYSTEM.INI, under [386Enh] device=ahcifix.386 then make sure this file is copied into WINDOWS\SYSTEM. You can find here ahcifix.386 (into description) : th-cam.com/video/vSqyZxbyHww/w-d-xo.html
@@O_mores Yes I followed your steps exactly. The problem with trying the AHCIFIX is that the installation doesn't get that far, it creates a Windows folder but it's empty.
Hmm... I have a few H110 motherboards around, I will install Windows 98 and let's you know if I encountered something unusual during the installation. (I'll post a video too) Can you try the installation on another SSD?
Hey, I have one question: why? Just WHY?
I guess for the same reasons people are installing older operating systems on VMs, but this time with more raw performance since it's on bare metal, not to mention what a real GPU can do...
@@O_mores yeah but didn't we suffer enough with Windows ME?
someone give this to mattkc
I see that you're using a PCIE GPU. I guess that running Doom (or other MS-DOS applications) will give you an "illegal operation" error.
DOS games are running fine in Windows ME, here is NQ Rally from 1996 running (with sound) in Windows ME: th-cam.com/video/Qn44lD0nQng/w-d-xo.htmlsi=8Oh63vlKmL_ELnGj&t=249 Anyway, getting your PCI sound card recognized in all DOS games it's not possible no matter what CPU or motherboard is used.
@@O_mores Awesome. Thanks.
@@O_moresBTW, I'm gong to watch both of your videos, learn how to do it and try it. I might upload the results next week. thanks again.
@@jangelelcangry Have fun! If you get stuck just ask me anything.
@@O_mores Update: Installed patcher 9x and now Doom 1-2 works. Haven't installed sound, yet.
Specs: Asrock h61-m U3s3 (oldest BIOS available) with a Sandy Bridge Xeon CPU.
RAM: 1GB DDR3.
SATA Controller: Board's integrated Intel Controller (Compatible Mode)
GPU: Dell nVidia Geforce 6800 256MB (IIRC) PCI-E
Someone needs to do windows xp so it can survive modern time but that would be almost impossible.Imagine speed of windows xp on today hardware.
Windows XP is actually much spoiled by the community than Windows 9x is. It's also easier to maintain. There are many backported drivers from Windows 7 and newer, most importantly NVMe drivers and USB 3 drivers. ACPI drivers are also very important. On this configuration i3/13100F/Asus H610M0C D4 motherboard it works perfectly. You should check this video on how to install it: th-cam.com/video/pE3CswJweqs/w-d-xo.html and this video about multi boot: th-cam.com/video/3nCSGApJGbQ/w-d-xo.html
If connecting a Windows XP machine to the Internet gets it hacked in less than 10 minutes, imagine how quickly a modern Windows ME computer can be hacked once it's connected to the Internet!
Not very actually as no one is going to target ME in this day and age.
This one with all the viruses in the world relentlessly searching for Windows XP computers is just CLICKBAITY BS. At work we still have a Windows XP PC connected to the internet via our LAN and never got any virus whatsoever. We do have a small business firewall from Zyxel.
ok sir i chalange you to do the same with an am5 platform
I don't have right any AM5 hardware around. But it should work. I know for sure that Windows 98 works on AM5. Anyway, Me is happily running on my Ryzen 9 3900X since 2020 - cregfix is not needed if I don't update my BIOS.
120 GB FAT32 partition will work just fine on Windows ME.
Will work fine after installing 32bit drivers, but initially drive is handled by BIOS in "MS-DOS compatibility mode". So when installing you should keep the C: drive within standards, which usually happens anyway.
It is really fast
But why?
We could. But should we?
I think for the same reasons people are installing older operating systems on VMs, but with more raw performance since it's on bare metal, not to mention what a real GPU can do...
my name a borat
I still want to see 14900K running Windows 7
Me too. But I don't have any 14th Gen CPU right now. But I will get one soon, I think...
@@O_mores 14th gen Intel is very similar to 12th and 13th... Wait for Arrow Lake instead, or if you want to get something for content right now, I think you should invest in something AM5. I'd love to see you do one of these on a Zen 4 chip.
I will try my best, on a quick search I found this AM5 motherboard with one classic PCI slot: ASUS AMD AM5 PRO B650M-CT-CSM. There is only 1 x PS/2 port otherwise looks almost identical with the Asus H610M- C D4 CSM I'm using in this video.
@@O_mores I think you mean A620M-C-CSM. The B650M-CT-CSM does not have a PCI slot.
Also keep in mind that the single PS/2 port is not able to drive a keyboard and a mouse simultaneously... I do have a B650M-CT-CSM and that is the single worst downside of it...
I bought an MSI PRO B650M-B specifically due to the fact that it has 2 functioning PS/2 ports, but it has other downsides like a really bad BIOS and only 1 COM port and no LPT ports.
On the other hand I am actually working on a solution to drive a second, proper, PS/2 mouse port on the ASUS B650M-CT-CSM, by driving wires from the super I/O chip directly into a PS/2 splitter.
one of the most hated OS for gamers in 2000-2002 😊
Well, many gamers had some old and new hardware and mixed .VxD with .WDM drivers and this way Windows Me could become a mess. In my case Windows ME just fine... but I was quite informed back then.
This is very insecure web browsing in IE5.5 and unencrypted wifi. 😮
The big question is why (OH WHY!!!) would anyone want to install Windows Millennium on modern hardware?
I guess for the very same reasons many people are using VMs and things like PCem exists -> pcem-emulator.co.uk/ Except you get better performance on real hardware.
romanian spotted :))
It's possible that I noticed something too. Dude, aren't you a resident of the city of Iasi?
@@O_mores I am!
y tho
undercover romanian?
Shh, don't blow my cover!
Your efforts are appreciated but i do not see any useful point in installing Windows 9x on a very modern hardware (other than making TH-cam videos 🙂) because windows 9x compatible Softwares barely need anything newer than a 1st gen Pentium 4.
You have to try it and you'll understand...What's wrong having a nice up to date computer that can run both Windows 10 and Windows 9x on real hardware? People are struggling to get decent FPS on virtual machines with very powerful configurations. Well, I have a real 3dfx Voodoo 3 PCI on my PC. Now I'm on TH-cam, I can restart and 20 seconds later I'm running Windows Me using the same PC, mouse, monitor etc.
It is useful. Think about this, it is harder for an average person to put together a "period correct machine" with all the thought and care that needs to go into that, gathering parts, making sure they work, etc... than it is to just buy a brand new machine off of Amazon or Newegg and put Windows 9x on it... and have a MUCH more performant experience with it, with hardly any downsides. You only need to gather a compatibly video card, at least for now, until someone makes a solid VBE driver to pair with a good software renderer (like the softgpu efforts).
9:55 You are saying Millennium correctly but however through all whole video, you saying it wrong.
I did some research before and the correct pronunciation is this: "məˈlenēəm" (google translate) or google search "muh·leh·nee·uhm" So the first "i" is muted... But in Italalian/Romanian/French/Spanish... you do pronounce the first "i" and this is the natural way I would say "Millennium". The end result it's a mess... sometimes I tried without the first "i" another time I didn't pay attention and I said it as in my native language.
WINDOWS MISTAKE EDITION, PLEASE! 😂
What? Someobe installed windows me cago en ti?
I don't understand the point of installing an operating system without any support on real hardware. Even though it doesn't make sense, it has no use either.
Software like games. There is your reason
@cosmefulanito5933 This ME installation has: a PCI sound card with ME drivers, a PCI-E to USB 2.0 card with ME drivers, Windows 9x/ME AHCI drivers for SATA SSD/HDD and optical drives, USB Wi-Fi, a 256bit PCI-E GPU also with actual nVidia drivers ... I guess you can't say "without any support on real hardware" unless you didn't watch the video. The use case is that Windows ME can run on the same hardware as Windows 10/11 and when I want to have some retro fun... like playing FIFA 98 or a DOS game like NQ Rally, I simply restart the PC and I pick Windows ME drive as boot device.
Why this shitty operating system? It had problems with printer and scanner drivers. Plus it constantly misreported that you were running out of hard drive space. When you rebooted the computer into DOS mode (with F8 key) the hard drive space was reported correctly. That didn't just happen to me. It happened to everyone I knew who was using ME and was widely reported by other users via the Internet. I switched to Win2000 and although not perfect, at least it functioned OK for the most part. You could actually play games with 2000 eventhough MS didn't advertise it.
Yes, back in the day Windows Me either was OK (depending on hardware and drivers) or a complete mess. But it was more advanced than Windows 98, with functions like System Restore. Which BTW once it was disabled greatly enhanced the stability of Windows Me. Now strictly related to very modern hardware - if you want to a Windows 9x on your PC on a separate SSD - Windows ME might run better on this hardware than Windows 98SE.
install gen2
I can try... but what is "gen2" exactly?
@@O_mores gentoo