Carbon Fiber 3D Prints stronger than STEEL - from Anisoprint!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2019
- The 3D printers from Anisoprint use continuous carbon fiber reinforcements while giving the user maximum freedom in material choice and reinforcement positioning. It's a different approach than Markforged - but not any cheaper ;-)
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I really like how the presenter was careful to not bash on Markforged - instead of trying to say what was wrong with Markforged, he stated the positives about his device. I find it much more enjoyable to listen to people like this.
Appreciated how he didn't pretend Markforged didn't exist, either. Speaks volumes to his engineering credentials -- a marketing guy wouldn't be caught dead talking about a competitor.
@@McTroyd Do you know why that is? Marketing people have all these weird hard rules like "never mention a competitor" but what could that actually serve, I get it for very non technical things (yknow, selling to the Gen Pop) but any machine or product that has commercial use is going to be much more effectively marketed by a direct comparison with the competition
@@McTroyd When talking about a competitor's product you don't say anything negative unless you want him slamming your product or suing you.
nice and interesting interview. He's really knowledgable and passionate about his work. The best kind of people to talk to about a topic
I agree.. he explained it very well.. nice to listen to. Professional no doubt..
Yeah it was really nice meeting more engineers at TCT this year... I had a stratasys sales rep last year who couldnt explain to me what polyjet is or how it worked....
I agree, too bad the ADD reporter kept worrying about his camera shot instead of asking meaningful follow up questions
This would bring a whole new dimension to rc hobbies with frame stiffness. Also very big in the airline industry.
Heavy fpv breathing :P
Drone frames from low density plastic and carbon fibre 😍
You could print yourself an entire airplane. Just add juice
I see some use for Bikesport aswell
The smaller Anisoprint Printer = $13,414 -/+ USD and the larger printer $21,239 -/+ USD btw for those of you wondering
Ouch
If I may make a suggestion, I would mount two slowly flashing line lasers on the camera which are pointing at the floor to delineate its field of view, so that people walking around will notice and (hopefully) not step across the line into the frame as that one fellow did.
@@Captn_Grumpy Yes, it was hardly his fault and the reaction, I felt, was quite disrespectful from Tom toward the Anisoprint guy who was actively engaged in deep conversation with Tom -- and looking at Tom at the time.
A good idea, but a laser that's powerfull enough to be clearly vsible in a bright environment might be not very safe.
Casually lasing ppls eyes while shooting your videos probably causes more problems than it solves^^.
Any 5mW laser can be seen in full light but might not be noticed. That is why I suggested a line laser and have it blink.
Nice idea but it will never work. the funny thing with ignorant people is is there completely oblivious to everything.
@@KeithOlson true, but lets ignore the necessary laser output for a moment. Just imagine what would happen if someone got hit in the eye by your laser contraption. Even if it didn't actually harm them, they'd freak out regardless. And then you'd have ppl walking into the camera frame not because they were unaware but because they want a piece of you.
I would love to see Stefan do some tests. It's an interesting concept.
You can't do tests on filament without this very specific printer.
It's even not about the filament (you can replace it), but more about machine and software.
Stefan where are ul
Well, to be fair... If strength properties of this composite are even close to those alleged 1GPa then Stefan's equipment will brake before test sample will ;)
@@GunSmoker yeah, but he could test the machine too
Sooooo... what's the cost of their fiber ???
Also - their approach makes a LOT moar sense - Markforged software does NOT let you put the fiber where you want, placement it totally automatic.
Moar sense is the best sense. :)
I think he side stepped that question by saying that the other side is universal. LOL
This is not true though, you can adjust the fiber placement and amount with Eiger...
@@LosLS2 yes, that was smart
Two years from now Creality will be selling a knockoff for $249.
its really easy to copy entire printer...its just normal fdm. But make it work is hard. If someone copy it i would like to see the slicer where you get option to add carbon fibre manualy drawing it like in windows paint :)
I hope so! The hardware doesn't look too far off from existing 3d printers. We should see massive price drops in the coming years.
Tot sounds like the software would be the issue. It sounds like it's a lot of semi-manual work to slice it at the moment.
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I hope these guys get their investment back on creating something so good, before the rip off copies come out that I can afford.
@@andraser7 licensing
14:00 Carbon Fiber reinforced TPU. Now that is interesting.
Fascinating concept to produce very light very strong precision parts that includes strength “lines” that are not compromised by drilling and machining. Brilliant concept, it would be nice to see how the software and slicing processes develop to exploit this fantastic unit. Congratulations for a great interview “professional passion”.
What a nice company name. "Aniso" is a reference "anisotropic" materials that have different material properties in different directions (especially composite materials).
Also just realized that FDM printing also produces anisotropic parts with less tensile strength in z direction.
Great to see a new player on the field with an alternative way to print with continuous fiber! I have been using Mark Forged printers now for over 4 years and they are really great printers but what I dislike the most is their limited choice of thermoplastic materials and the fact that you have very limited control of how the fiber ends up in your parts. I am sure with this open design, we're going to see a lot of improvements in that field. Looking forward to see someone do a comparison review of these two printers!
Very good interview, thanks Tom. Such a unique approach to coat the fiber in thermoplastic to stick it in place.
I really want to play with that reinforced TPU part. Like many things involving TPU, my first thought was, "Why would you do that?"
Gotta love the look of Thomas when the guy said "impregnation".
I liked the look, when he said - the other brand is so expansive - how much is yours... the same... oh ok.
Glad I saw this video - I'm on the verge of getting the Mark Forged Onyx. It's been a difficult journey with the company though - it's almost like they aren't interested in selling them for some reason. I've lost count of how many times someone has been unavailable because they are on vacation, out of town, had a day off, or at a meeting. And when I do get someone on the phone I am limited to a 30 minute conversation and I'm dismissed like I'm in therapy. I have to say it's been an effort. I fear what getting support will be like.
Well you now have an alternative, If MF are that painful to deal with give them the flick...
If a "customer" (you're not one unless you buy...) were to talk my ear bloody for 30 minutes I'd dismiss him like he's in therapy as well. He probably should be. And if he'd complain about me being on vacation or having a day off, I'd rip him a new one.
Guess there's a reason I'm in development, not sales. ;)
I got an ad for the markforge printer right before the video
i add carbon fibre in my prints for years using long fibers....just print in abs (becouse it melt using acetone) stop mid print and put carbon fabric with few drops of acetone to stick it to the print , you can add few long fibers the way you want etc ...yes its time consuming but almost free :)
(ps it works with most of the coloured PLA becouse you can melt the pigment in them :)
That's a very interesting approach for certain applications, have to try this some time
Where do you get the fibers?
Can you make a video showing your process ?
@@hed420 Brauns CNC channel just released a video on an extremely similar process a couple of days ago.
Do you autoclave the parts at all? Adding resin to your part and curing it may increase strength significantly more than what they’re talking about in the video.
This introducer truly knows what he is working on.
Thank you very much for this one.
I was looking for a carbon fiber printer to print an entirely functional car and so far this is the best technology I have come across.
The weakest point of a 3D print is between the layers. How do the fibers help layer adhesion if it is still 2D layers on 2D layers?
For that you would need a machine with rotational axes so it can lay in any direction
Excellent interview. Great job holding it together when the guy walked in an took up half your shot.
Decoupling tensile strength from cross sectional area is a game changer. These are literally 'next level' composites.
I cannot wait to see where this goes. Are we moving towards a world where FDM parts have mechanical properties superior to some cast or forged metal ones?
I can't remember the source but a few years back a youtuber tried 3d printed propellers for an outboard engine. They all had different times to failure but all failed. I would love to see how this material performs in comparison. (When you can control the internal structure of the part can we even call it just 'a material' any more?)
Great video! Thanks.
Great! Next step, non planar combined print capabilities?
I've been trying to do the same at home and this interview is helping. I have to somehow replicate the thermoset stuff. I could print the bare fibers but controlling and feeding them is just impossible. When it worked the glass fiber reinforced Filament felt like glass
haha that fiber steering feature is awesome, most definitely will be used in aerospace
How does this compare to the markforge continuous carbon/Kevlar/fiberglass printers? I use one everyday and the strength of its parts is mind blowing
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY wait, how much is it?
The printer could potentially be cheap. The fibre- not gonna.
12 000€~13 000$~11 000£
@@BooBaddyBig fiber cost will come down when production ramps.. tons of Carbon floating around.
@@WilliamAshleyOnline Carbon fiber is already produced at significant scale but is still not cheap.
@@BooBaddyBig the fibers themselves are quite cheap. Parts made out of them, however, are not.
Would love to see a followup on this tech. 1GPa is insanely good! Did it ever hit the consumer market? Did they live up to expectations?
I saw them during Battlebots, apparently their material was used in Valkyrie. Cool stuff with lots of applications!
That is very impressive. Thanks for the information.
Impressive achievement! This cutting-edge technology not only offers exciting possibilities and enables the printing of CO2-neutral composite parts but also contributes to reducing stress in materials. We look forward to the design and development of XXL printers for prototyping needs in the industry.
I would love to have one of these. So many different parts could be made.
Very interesting concept! Why not embed other stuff than carbon fiber - like any kind of wire or thread? Or maybe even print micro tubes e.g. for fluids and utilize capillary effect?
me3d none like... Graphene? The holy grail of vaportech.
@ like fiberglass (cheaper and strong), aramex, steel wire, or fabric
Or copper for embedded wires in parts?
Nice technique. Would be sweet if they open source the embedded filament process too
Can you use a chopped fibre filament as the binder ? best of continuous and chopped !
Its when was watching this i realised im a 3d printer Nerd......proud i am 😍
this would be interesting to use with very thin steelwire as cheap alternative.
(i dont trust any fibers for health resons)
Steel would actually be simpler. Im guessing you could get away with a single extruder and really thin steel wire actually...
it would be an awesome diy project to pull that off, i think the main obsticle is, that the matal won't fuse with the plastic
As someone who worked with carbon fiber extensively in the past in the cycling industry, I have to agree with most of what he said. However in my opinion small holes dont present as big of a problem when layups are designed to mitigate the issue. It should be clear that this technology doesn't actually compete with real carbon parts, instead it is showing a new application for carbon fibre as a technology.
Can carbon fiber infused filament such as this be safely be used for parts where contact with the skin is often happening, for example a door knob?
If the bed plate could rotate then you could sort of print isotropic carbon fibre parts.
Not sure if I miss something, but I don't see anything done against the enormous An-Isotropie of these style parts. Dosn't seem like they are able to integrate vertical fibres. So I don't see where the name comes from and what the advantage and difference, compared to markforged cff-printing is. Best regards, Christian
Dbl YES!!!! 😭 Tom, we love it!!!! Graci
Great interview - hope the price of this type of printing comes down alot soon. This is really the future of 3D printing. Wish I could aford this. Is there anyone doing a DIY version of this?
This technology paired with the "true" 3D printing slicer could yield some VERY cool capabilities. More nozzle development needs to be done to accommodate more extreme angles with the 3D printing part. Full 5 axis control of the printhead. My dream of a 3D printed canoe is closer!
are you talking about the thesis where the guy wrote a plugin for slic3r that allows for dynamic z surface layers?
or what do you mean with "true" 3D?
@@TheScarvig Yes- I guess that may be a better name for it. Having the fiber reinforced layer applied dynamically over the surface.
Bottom line - is this Anisoprint coextrusion approach stronger than MarkForged single extrusion approach?
Interesting and impressive.. Wondering how they block the molten plastic from oozing from the hole where reinforcement fiber is entering??
probably a tiny one way seal...
take the letter V , cut of a tiny bit of the tip at the bottom, make a rotational part out of it (so you get a cone without tip) and you are good to go.
make the part out of high temp silicon or a similar flexible material.
you can push the fiber stock through it from the top, widening the hole but when the backpreassure is applied from the bottom the hole will seal itself.
How is the carbon fiber made? Single-piece carbon fiber is pretty much equivalent to asbestos in terms of the danger from breathing any broken fibers, is it any different?
3:37 some unexpected curly fibres almost exposed there 😁
Patents and open source are this worlds yin and yang. Money and Minds. 🎻🎸
I hope this is more accessible than the markforged mark two
Are these the 3d printers shown on Battle Bots recently ?
Good attempt. Need one.
This is amazing, designing parts with stress trajectories in mind - amazing; if someone is interested I still have my Wolfram Mathematica files for their calculations based on the Theory of Plasticity, however probably a FEM based solution would be better for a complex 3d optimization. Thanks Tom as always great work!
but is the fiber only going to be continuous in one layer after another? that would only take stress in one very specific direction. what about parts used that are to be stressed with forces far more complex than being shown in the example? or am i missing something?
is it possible to use short fiber filament and prepreg tow together?
I'm curious when prices for this tech will scale down. It's incredibly useful but it's really expensive.
is there a carbon fiber filament that can be used in a normal 3d printer?
My immediate thought was bone and joint implants. This mimics the way bones are optimally structured; at least in 2D/2.5D. With a full 6DoF, 3D delivery head, instead of the conventional 2.5D planar FDM delivery, this could be amazing and let us move from isotropic steel investment cast alloy prosthetics, to designed, anisotropic and highly optimised, printed composite implants.
But are my hands going to get covered and embedded with fibers?
Could also just like modify cura to do pure infill every other layer from the 2nd extruder head maybe.
I dont think so because as he said fibres are encloused in some type of polymer
That’s why it has two extruders. The second one is for printing plain plastic without any fiber.
I would like you to make a carbon fibre evacuated ballon with this product that would be able to float in the air.
Great machine, love the company name. I look forward to this tech moving into my price range because I have a novel idea to make with it.
They were offering to have your first print made for free/discounted if you get in touch with them and mention the TCT show, why not try your idea out:)
The name translates to "unequal print" in Greek.
I think, given that the printer needs proprietary fibres, and the product fills a small niche, they could get away with selling the printers below cost to boost adoption then make the money off the fibre.
Damn i wish i wouldve patented this idea 5 years ago when i thought of it.
I would love to see the day this can be available for home use at a reasonable price.
Which day of TCT did you go? I was there too!
....how dangerous is it to inhale the fibers? How to deal with waste parts?
Is it just me or did he basically mention that there is continuous fiber with thermoplastics for like the first 4 minutes, but in slightly different sentence variations? I kind of got it after that. :)
That what I got, then confused me waffling crap and pointing fingers rather than drawing somthing on a bit of paper. You would have thought they would have had a diagram.
Sirus I think he was nervous + not a native speaker. But then I would’ve just hired someone personally. :)
@@VincentGroenewold It can be remarkably difficult to hire a competent technical writer/speaker for a one-off event and have him familiarise himself with technology. It's definitely more authentic to have the company's engineering team speak for the product even with the small drawbacks in the presentation that it entails.
Siana Gearz that’s totally true, but there then must be someone else in the company to do the presentation right, it’s all about being able to sell it in the end. :)
they should use coanda effect for filament cooling
He was so excited to talk to Thomas, he almost spontaneously combusted
nice to see this stuff getting out,
this is awesome!
Only one question, is the material recyclable..
I really thought this was exactly the same way Markforged works. I guess at least they have some competition now so hopefully the prices will start to come down eventually.
Nevermind, I see the difference now.
So exciting!!!
That's what I'm talkin about this is what 3D printing to me needs to be. So the average Joe can make something structurally sound... This was bigger print volumes and maybe some speed or at least reliability and we're cooking with gas or fiber
I love light weight usefull prints!!!!
everybody is talking about cnckitchen, looks like he is the expert in filament strength test. I also think he should receive some samples =D
cool video as always
CNCK may need to upgrade his equipment first:)
that was my first thought
I would like to see a test but his test rig won't be strong enough
@@probrosp let them also print replacememt parts and make the complete tester out of Carbon XD
14:25 wowwwwwwww AWSOME!!! i was looking for some kinde like that. instead put honeycomb made bay paper put new patern made with 3D. I love that I like it.
the fibres only add strength in tension, so how can we use it to increase strength in the z axis direction?
There's no option for that yet - you need parts that are suitable for it, printed in the right orientation.
"We" could Print an intersecting part to fit through the voids in the low % infill, then (use your plastic system of choice) "afix" for a the final part with continuous filament in 3 axes... Basically a 3-shot process.
Any 2+n axis material creation method has material limitations in the Z-Axis...
Great interview very informative.
Respect from Saudi Arabia
e3d hermesss i can't wait :D
Can compete with today Carbon fiber article? I mean have the same property as carbon fiber made with epoxy with traditional method?
What about strenght in all direction? because that 3D print cant put carbonfiber filament o "Z" plane only in "X" and "Y" plane and that give strengh only in one direction instead in 2 or more.
I was stood behind Thomas when he was filming around 07:00 :D
You're supposed to pinch his bottom... he likes this.
So I could print my own carbonMTB frame in the future? Nice
This guy just changed the game.... I want to see stress tests Vs carbon now....
What about the Z axis?
Exactly! If you thought normal FDM had weaker layer lines, that's nothing compared to this one, with more than an order of magnitude weaker z than x/y. You'd really need non-planar slicing for something like this.
Did you get a chance to speak to photocentric? They are doing some very interesting thing with giant resin printers that aren't as expensive as you may think.
Wow super interesting! I'd actually be more interested in fiberglass printing because of cheaper costs, but I'm sure if they can print carbon they can print fiberglass too.
I wonder if you could pre-impregnate your own fiberglass to save costs and not be dependent on a single supplier.
If you'd scale this up you could actually 3D print boats or cars or even house parts with this!
how much is the fiber?
9:14 the good point of that is you dont lose strenght when need hole because carbonfiber filament go from start to finish so no need to cut it in the midle. that is nice.
Price?
Because look more weight less strenght than carbonfiber method. Ofcourse you win versatilty and more easy to improve of perfect deasing.
I believe Markforged is less expensive for a similar tech, may be I missed the point?
This system uses a continuous long strand fibre. Which is significantly stronger than short strand that markfoege uses.
This industry is really effectively being held back. I thought everyone would have one beside their computer by now. Hobby units of ebay are affordable but anything more professional is exponentially more expensive.
Echt interessant diese Technologie :o
Ich hab mich schon manchmal gefragt warum du manche deutsche Namen so gut aussprichst, bis ich mal gemerkt hab das du eigentlich in Deutschland lebst, also respekt vor deiner englischen Aussprache xD
Very interesting stuff
Coming soon, the folicular mullet printer. It will harvest hairs from the toes and legs, and place them into the most correct arrangement onto predetermined areas of the dermis that covers ones own skull, while allowing for 1 of 100's of different styles selected from the device's touchscreen. It's only 500 dollars at the kit level, and 2200 dollars if fully dialed in, should the prevention of a failed first print be most desired.
Could that fiber be actuality replaced with metal? Thin gage copper etc...
As long as it's flexible enough and the cutter can handle it I don't see why not!
@@MadeWithLayers I was thinking about a solution for integrating metal wire in prints for a long time. I think for them it's just a small step now. Let's hope they see the potential and try it 😉
2:56. The look :-)
So 12k for the smaller machine. I wonder how much for a spool of the carbon fiber.
(And, if you are free to in fact use "any other supplier" of the CF, or if that is RFID controlled.... ) - Other suppliers of "Thermoset Polymer Embedded Fibres" will eventually appear.
What he said about most people using carbon fiber wrong--by just laminating and then milling and drilling--is too true. You're wasting a lot of strength potential, when you could use intelligent fiber steering around certain features.
10:35 When life gives you lemons, make laminate? His accent had me confused there.
The $20k machine is a great price for the build volume. There is a lot more to an X7 than build volume but still this is impressive. Exciting times!