Please, for the love of God Grenadier owners . . . Recognised how much I liked the Grenadier. Rarely if ever have I gushed about a 4x4 that much. Yet this seems ignored and I'm too often asked why I "Hate the Grenadier?" If you can't remember the positives I presented, then you've become brand-biased fan-boy. Like I try to be, at my cost, be honest. Notice the good - and the bad. I am still frustrated that Ineos did not build the car they set out to. They built an expensive, luxury 4x4 and that is not what original Defender owners wanted. And until they do, I'll not stop talking about how they let us down.
Interesting comparison Grenadier v 300 series, IMO 2 very different vehicles. I have access to both and they are almost night and day in many ways. Access to parts for both is the same I have found. Reliability long term? That is in the future, I hope the Grenadier makes it, the 300 the same. All very complicated machines.
I really do hope they succeed. Personally, I hope they make a single cab and a spacecab/extra cab version. And the possibility of a 2 door wagon with a van sliding door. Ineos have 1 vehicle, with 2 versions. A 4 door ute or 4 door wagon. Options should not be grouped into a particular version, you pay for what you want and need. Maybe that would mean a slight loss for the company financially, but I think it would be easily recouped by charging the rich twats $200,000 for the range topping luxurious shopping trolley.
I believe the top honchos at Jaguar now claim that the whole thing was a hoax to get publicity. I think it is BS. I think they had not anticipated how the world is sick of woke already. They thought that bending to KS and his cronies would bring massive success. What they got, was taken from behind. It seems Budweiser and Disney's lessons were forgotten.
Hi Andrew, interesting to hear your opinion on the Grenadier. You might be interested in this 👉We're actually on a 5-year trip in a Grenadier across the world right now towing a Patriot X3, which we live in. We set off from London in mid-July 2023 with our two young kids and we’re approaching 50000km. At least 70% of our journey has been off-road... heading to Mongolia and Africa soon.
Howdy Andrew! Been a subscriber for some time now, and greatly appreciate your content! I am the proud owner of 2010 Gen 5 4Runner (like you drove) with 255K, and not a squeak or rattle. Absolutely the best vehicle I’ve ever owned. I’m a professional photographer based in Utah, I overland and lead photography workshops around the west. I have it dialed, and sleep in it regularly. That’s my two cents.
So many people making comments about how they killed the Jaguar brand. Wake up! It died a while back. No one was buying their cars so either they just shut up shop or give it one last go. Obviously you could also argue that if they make reliable cars that people wanted they wouldn't need a relaunch.
Agreed, they have struggled since the 80"s with a image of being an old mans car, although they were hip enough in the 60's with the E Type and there are some fantastic rebuilds and restomods. Their new SUV's are soso and look alot like "budget" models from Hyundai, Kia and the like, not terrible thing but not distinctive. The one big problem is they missed the Zeitgeist which is currently very Anti Woke, diversity and inclusion. either that is deliberate to get attention or shockingly naive for the Marketing and advertising.
Tell that to Toyota Tundra owners, 100,000 plus, whose trucks are just plain broken and scrambling to get in line for new engines. In the first 100 K miles my 200 series got a new Radiator, water pump and costly timing chain cover oil leak repaired. Sold it with non retracting review mirror because the cost to repair it was over $2,300 US. Now own two Grenadiers and have a quartermaster on order.
I ran 460 g wagens..had 5 and they never let me down. 80’s reliable engines. I’ve had Nissan y60 and 80 seris. I’ve loved them all..if I had the money now it would be a hard choice between the ineos and the prado 250 for me, a very hard choice !
Really wish you get to review a stock 4Runner.Especially something like a TRD Pro trim that is intended to use in such travel right from factory. The factory 2.5in TRD Fox suspension with rear piggy bag style remote reservoir shocks are very decent something from Toyota factory. Same for the A/T tires they come with. So love to hear a review about a bone stock 4Runner TRD Pro. Because a modified (suspension, tires, etc...) 4Runner can be amazing to crap.
The BMW engine is built in Austria as are ~70-80% of all BMW engines. It won several years in a row the best engine award. I think it won't make much trouble. I don't know how's the BMW service in Australia but I think the Ineos are very gerous with there workshop manuals.
@@SodiumSyndicate You are a dinosaur, and have not even bothered to research modern BMW engines, especially in comparison to other Euro 6 engines. A cave will prob last longer than a house, but a house is still better.
@ That right there is the part you don’t get. They are all going to be E6 engines, yes all new engines. As far as plastic parts go, my 25 year old V8 Land Rover engine has not had any plastic related failures. You are 25 years behind in your tech thinking already.
The Ineos BMW engine , in the Diesel Version at least , I believe is the Old (now) M57 . Early Common Rail . Considered one of the most reliable " Car " diesels ever made . Better that Toyota , generally speaking .
No, it’s the current engine. The old diesel engine used to grenade when in use with UK Highway Patrol and was withdrawn from service after one officer was killed when his engine threw a rod when on a high speed mission. Many others also failed in a similar way and BMW withdrew the model from emergency service sales in the UK.
@@hedydd2. M57's don't " Grenade " . The Internals are Massively strong . Plastic ancillaries and Electronics were the only problems , Ever . The New BMW engines are significantly more fragile . Also , for Highway Patrol duties , Diesels might not be the Best choice . Selected for their Frugality , obviously , but a Petrol Engine can idle away for very extended periods without issue but a Diesel Engine will glaze up and some other issues to do with the lower volatility of the Fuel .
@ Tell that to UK police forces They will put you right. BMW stopped selling cars to UK police forces in January 2023 after many police forces restricted the use of BMWs with the N57 engine. The N57 engine is found in several BMW police vehicles, including the 330d, 530d, and X5. The decision to stop selling BMWs to UK police forces was made after a series of factors, including: Safety concerns In 2020, PC Nicholas Dumphreys of Cumbria Police died after the engine in his BMW patrol car failed. An inquest found that a faulty crankshaft bearing punctured the oil sump, causing a fire in the engine compartment
@@hedydd2. Yeah , well HERE'S the Problem . I said the M - 57 Engine . The Bulletproof Predecessor to the N 57 . You should probably Pay Attention better , Pal . There were some design changes between models . So called " Updates ", many of which have been roundly Panned for being a backward step or simply pointless . Either way , the Mercedes 60x range of engines were ,and still are , better than ANY of the BMW offerings .
@@johncunningham4820 So you now actually concede that the BMW engine as fitted to the Grenadier is not bullet proof. The previous engine is not fitted to Grenadier and never has been. Thanks for admitting it ‘pal’.
Your tracing the Okavango river series is my favorite. I’ve watched it twice in the series form. Long form would be great! There is a Grenadier in my town in Central Iowa USA. I was surprised it isn’t much bigger than my 2020 Wrangler. Still, my envy rose significantly. My budget is used Wrangler I’m afraid.
I notice a lot of Grenadiers in Melbourne parked on the street outside their houses very shiny, it seems they are used as a luxury car. Me and my old defender thought have been around the traps, bashed and muddy and still driving around Melbourne.
You never mention that the back glass of the 4runner goes down, just like the windows , and it is the greatest thing ever, and all dogs agree. I love my 4runner ,for what im doing its perfect. It gets a bad rep with some folks because its slow , and kinda thirsty ,and being not a 1-ton diesel lol. For one or two people to go out a camp its perfectly sized. And its easier to live with the rest of the time. Diesel is kinda a pain to deal with nowadays , id rather have a nice simple gas burner than a ,super capable , but extremely expensive to maintain or repair long term. The old diesels were cool. These new ones are only meant to be owned by a corporation that can write of the expense at the end of the day. Blew up a Cummins with 105k on the clock because the dpf got so clogged that it blew all of the oil out of the dipstick hole and burned up #4 piston. 15k later we had a new engine in it that ran for ten minutes and then dropped another piston. As a construction company that was super annoying . As a average consumer wouldve been absolutely financially ruinious. Toyota's reputation isnt what it used to be unfortunately. Nothing they make now appeals to me and its sad. None of their latest refreshes states side have sparked joy . The 4runner has been the same basic truck since '04, and now they have utterly ruined it. The new tacomas are bigger than a full size truck from the 90's , and less capable , with that candyass 5 ft bed. Makes me want to move to a cabin in the woods and renonce humanity ,at least a little bit ngl. Love the channel sir , cheers !
What’s interesting about the grenadier is that they aren’t holding their second hand value in the way that old defenders still do. In the UK you can pick up a year old field master Grenadier for about £50k, which was close to £75k new. Compared to a nearly 8 year old 110 defender that’s been looked after still fetching price around the £35k mark. With these prices comping down for Grenadiers we might see a few more modded and adapted versions that take away some of the problems. The steering centering issue for instance can be improved by changing some of the steering geometry I hear.
I have a Defender 300tdi that I would never sell, but when I moved to US I first had a Jeep, just before falling in love with my.4Runner TRD offroad. I bought it before toyota mess with it like they did with Landcruiser and Tacoma (and raised the prices ridiculously). I love my old fashion V6 4Runner.
You mentioned quality vs quantity on drone footage. I agree especially when the footage is circling about over and over. Though maybe they can sell the drone footage and that's their goal?
I'm not sure about how easily sourced they are around the world but the BMW 3 litre engine and parts seems widely available here in australia. They are becoming a popular engine conversion for GU Patrols. I don't own one but that must say something for their reliability and availability.
My Ford Ranger [both of them] are superb but they have a fairly long rear overhang [shallow departure angle] and may have a longer wheelbase that is optimal for extreme off road use and playing around. Also leaf springs at the back are a weak point as, at least in the UK, they are rated for a ton payload which means they are maybe too stiff for some conditions and, let’s face it, leaf springs are prone to break leaves. It may be a reflection of my vehicle’s duty cycle, but I have replaced five leaf springs on my 2014 Ranger, with a mix of genuine parts and aftermarket.
I had a RR L322 with bmw straight 6 diesel. Got it past 300k kms with only injectors replaced. Good car. Interior build quality was poor but I loved everything else about it.
I fully agree with your insights about INEOS Grenadier. Professional oriented vehicles, 4x4, for agriculture, of tarmac activities are difficult to find in the market. The professionals are struggling to have good, solid, decent prices for reliable uncomplicated vehicles. The Grenadier fails in all these domains, because it's more a luxury vehicle and not a Defender Pre 2015.
I would love your opinion about the Mahindra Pik Up. I've got one in New Zelaand.Zealand. It has Impressive fuel economy, and with a flat deck, it is awesome for my camping trips. However, it is proving hard to find parts in New Zealand. Overwall, I love it. A new one is way cheaper than a Land Cruise 70 series. It is missing the front solid axle, though. Could that become a good platform for overlanding after getting a bit more popular in Australia?
Its unpopular not because of its performance, because its really great value. But you said it. Spares? Support? Same problem with Grenadier. People go for Toyota because every one is backed up with spares & support and familiarity. In less developed countries this is so important.
Well spotted. I drove my G to Namibia in 2000. And that is an exotic! When the Germans took them on the Canning Stock Route, they had to fly in spares, because they broke. The price of driving an exotic off road. I've done Namibia in early Range Rovers and Land Rovers, all easy to work on. And in 2010 when i photographed the two boys then went into Angola, I was driving a Land Cruiser 1HZ engined 105. The simplest 4wd one could get. Then several trips in Land Cruisers, where tyres, exhaust systems, batteries, belts, filters etc can be found in almost every town. And once in an Amarok, but we stayed on the main roads.
Being in Canada, currently with a 3rd Gen 4Runner & seriously considering a 5th Gen 4Runner, I’m very curious what they were using for suspension upgrades?
As an adventurer I expected you to be on the side of the entrepreneur who comes to the market with a great product build solely of reliable and time tested parts.
@@Fr99763 I expect him to be on the side of the punter and not gild the lilly with trite homilies! His assesment of the Grenedier is sound. Great luxury 4x4. Not a good choice for remote travel. It will likely have a high cost of ownership. I wager 5 yr depreciation will be rather more precipitous than that of a Hilux or 70 Series.
Thank you for the video! It’s always interesting and informative watching your videos. Maybe the comparison between INEOS and Toyota is a little bit unfair, in regards to Toyota being over 80 years on the road, with parts, services and knowledge of the industry. INEOS is a baby in comparison and has only one vehicle.
Crock bait wading around in that river. The fresh water ones do tend to leave alone but do get pissed off when you disturb them by mistake (guess how I know lol)
The next gen 4Runner that's about to be released in the US, if we got that here in Australia, (as I don't need 7-seats) it's what I'd choose over the Prado. (IMO) Not only is it a better looking 4WD, seeing Toyota's pricing hierarchy, it will also be cheaper than the Prado.
This I6 BMW engines are a known quantity, and some version of them has been sold on every continent. BMWs issues are never their engines, usually it’s the Bosch electrics first, then the other bits start failing: brakes, suspension, cooling,etc. but the engine itself is still silky smooth. If Ineos has got those other systems sorted, the engine isn’t likely to fail.
Tell that to the UK Highway Patrol police. They have withdrawn the last generation of BMW diesel 3.0 from service due to massive and common critical failures where they put rods through the block. These engines also have lots of plastic components and some gaskets that harden and get brittle with age and heat and eventually fail.
They just redesigned that 4runner, it's larger (unfortunately). I have the 3rd generation 4runner, it's shorter than a 4 door J90 Prado and a little narrower too. The rear window rolling down is a signature feature. Until the J90 it was sold in many markets like Australia. It was sold as the Surf and SW4 in Brazil, with a diesel or gas engine. For the last 20 years in the US the 4runner was more Land Cruiser than a Land Cruiser because they only sold the Land Cruiser fully loaded in options that was unaffordable. Also I'd say Jaguar is green washing or virtue signaling. Woke has some connotations.
it's interesting to see how much of the personality of the designers were integrated into the OG land rover (an engineer) vs the grenadier (a couple of very rich blokes in a pub)
I wonder about the change of audio quality when being in (correctly: mic over) water. Andrew, can you (or someone else) shed some light on this. And maybe even how to improve it?
JAGUAR - Give me one - I will sell it immediately and buy a LandCruiser heck maybe even Grenadier xD ** storytelling - I am comic artist and writer working on my own graphic novel - story telling is the most human thing we can do and are doing. Much respect, sir - for yet another reason =D
Well, the four wheel drive community trounced the defender, but it’s been a huge success for JLR. I think the same will happen here with Jaguar. People forget that the biggest middle class market, and growing, is in Asia now and quite honestly, JLR’s old customer base is just not where the money is now. 50% of car sales in China are electric and they love to make statement purchases, Jaguars new concept looks to fit that perfectly.
*If* Ineos develop strong supply chains in line with the popularity of the car, they may be onto a winner. I imagine neither Defender nor Jeep supply chains were robust in the early days, but you could repair them with binder-twine and chewing gum. Can’t do that with a modern car, despite Ineos attempting to simplify. I say good luck to them, more choice for the consumer is a good thing!
the early jeeps used off the shelf components...these parts could be taken from a totally different brand of vehicle and modified to work using simple wrenches/spanners....as you mentioned, cars nowadays are all pretty much proprietary with exotic tools required...so this type of bush fix is now near impossible.
One would hope that Grenadier would have take the opportunity of the enforced shut-down to build stock of spare parts, especially to start making replacement body panels and chassis sections. Also get their workshop manuals on-line for customers. Also take the opportunity to facelift the vehicle in order to modify and correct any common issues and design faults. Production is unlikely to restart before February IMO due to Recaro seat production being transferred to Italy and all the work that entails.
I’m having problems with mine. This Friday will be the 10th time mine will go back to the dealer. Been nearly a year since I picked mine up. I’ve had enough now. Looking at the Land Cruisers once I get out of this circus.
Ineos came really close to hitting the mark. As much as I love old BMW's I wouldnt put a modern BMW engine in an overlanding vehicle regardless of how beautifully smooth they are. Isuzu 4bg1 is the polar opposite as far as NVH goes - but endlessly reliable - an ideal candidate for a vehicle expected to run in harsh conditions in remote areas... its funny - JRA used its predecessor once upon a time and built arguably the best Land Rovers ever made....the Perentie! Come on - someone needs to pick up the concept and run with it!
Jaguar hasn't built a desirable mass produced vehicle in over 50 years...the E-Type was the pinnacle. From 1975 to now what have they produced that is still in demand, collected, sought after or even named "one of the best"? The F-Type is ok, but still not on par with similar priced Porsches, BMW's or even the lowly Corvette. Seriously, it's time for Jaguar to close the doors.
The generation that bought Jags in the halcyon days are either dead or in their dotage, we are on the horizon of a brave new electric world, love it or loathe it, there is no going back. Jaguar have captured our attention, now they need to deliver and it is new-car buyers who will break or make Jaguar; the views of people like myself with a Bonneville and a 20 year old, but only 40k miles Defender - that I hope will see me out - are irrelevant.
I think Ineos miss the boat by not doing a SWB, just think of how many people by an offroad 4x4 just for the status and never tack it truly off road. Yes it's not a Defender replacement but it's looks close enough without having the sudo bling styling of a G. I truthfully believe they would have sold a SWB like hot cakes. Maybe they just servay the real offroaders and overlanders with a few farmers thrown in for good measure, reality is the SWB Defender sold to a much wider market and that market as much as they like the idea of a LWB off Roader the reality of that turning circle will soon put them off.
As a gen z person, the Jaguar brand gives a similar perception to Cadillac or Harley Davidson. I completely understand the cult following to the older Jaguars and the racing legacy, but a new Jag would never on my buy list.
I’ve driven a number of new 2024 4WDs over the past 4 months, 300, Silverado 2500 Duramax, Ranger Raptor, and Triton. I’ve gotta say, I’ll never ever buy any of these vehicles, and all the other similar models too! This intrusive “safety” equipment, features drive me insane within 5 minutes! Vibrating steering wheel, alarm and flashing lights if I dare turn my head to see around the corner, seat belt alarm, doors open alarms, ABS, automatic brake application, limp mode for the most minor fault code, electronic gear shift, losing the warranty anxiety, dealing with dealerships on warranty issues, (which seem immediate and continuous on every model), paying 60k to 170k for a car that is too technical, and far too complicated for the ability of the manufacturer. Parts unavailable, and the worst of them all, the very frequent and soul crushing engine failures! None of these vehicles will be crossing the Canning Stock Line when they are 10 years old, let alone 28 years old as my 80 series! The car industry is in massive trouble!
The only weakness of the Ineos Grenadier is that it is not a Land Cruiser.... Why anyone would pay more for an old Defender than they could for a Land Cruiser, is beyond me....😎😎
@@Macedonia270 unfortunately that is just as possible in a Toyota nowadays as an Ineos. The old school diesels that we could fix on the side of the road are dead.
@ never used to but lately them 300s have been having issues and the 4cyl 79s will soon too I reckon. Happy to be wrong about the 79s but it’s a feeling I get.
Since EVs constitute the most exciting performance available from cars, why would you say a Jaguar EV is automatically not targeted at car enthusiasts? Who else wants the most exciting performance available from cars? I suspect you mean that it is not targeted at EV-hating car enthusiasts. Well, duh.
@@tnargs57 Agree. Where did the assumption that “car enthusiasts” can’t have environmental concerns come from? Given Jag has already made one of the best EVs for drivers (i-pace), they’re doubling down on a risky bet on an EV future. Rather than putting an equally risky non EV bet and possibly becoming an irrelevant heritage brand. Who’d be a car executive?
The major thoughts that some should consider about "new vehicles" and the manufacturers that produce them are often overlooked. Emissions regulations that are changing on a daily basis from the EU (that obviously dictate what can be made and sold without massive government and global fines imposed) are having a massive effect on the way car manufacturer's think. For the past 10 years, there is not one single new vehicle that 75% of the human population would consider getting into a depreciating debt for. Well, half intelligent humans anyway.
One thing you didn't mention , the fuel tank on the Ineos variations have pathetic capacity , hanging cans and tanks over the outside may work but are in no way as efficient or safe as having a larger capacity built in fuel tank .It is not so much how far the vehicle can take you without a breakdown, the problem is, if and when it does happen who can repair it , where do you get parts etc . keep up the good work.
Auxiliary fuel tanks are already available. Just like the two I installed in both of my 200’s that I have sold to make room for the two grenadiers I now have.
There is a 67 lt LR tank available, and with all new vehicles, they aren't repairable on the road. Same can be said for nearly all vehicles, I broke a 200 series brake line in remote Western Australia and it was a 4 week wait from Japan.
there’s always a level of creativity above you and reckon gerry mcgovern is well above your pay grade. jag was in the crapper anyway, so needed something bold. let’s give them a chance and see how they go with their new campaign.
Can’t see anything Woke in those Jag ads. And you can be a car enthusiast and love EVs. And since when did you start doing ads for Sony? Land Rover replaced the Defender with a new better Defender. Stop being so sour. The new Defender ISN’T a Discovery. The D5 is the Discovery. Get over it mate.
I would buy a Jaguar XKR. Actually, I'm planning to do so. New one? I'm 40 years old, and that adv it is not about me (quite the opposite), so I wouldn't
@garn79 Toyota never released them in South Africa. However I have seen both the 4runner and Surf in the rest of Africa to our north.. I thought the Tacoma was built on the Prado chassis? No sure.
If it took 800 people to work on this rebrand, what are their qualifications or abilities? It's one thing to be radical and grab headlines by abandoning a company's history, heritage, and customer base; it's entirely another thing to try to capture a new market that you don't even know exists. If their target market resembles those in the adverts, they'll struggle for customers. They've grabbed a headline, and we all know they're rebranding. Thus far, they have yet to grab any customers, and their poor sales performance of late looks likely to continue - although as they'll have zero sales in 2024, any sales in 2025 will be an improvement, whether they'll match pre-plandemic levels, I very much doubt. They want to be a small niche brand for niche customers.
Andrew, come down off the ledge, there is nothing exotic about the INEOS Grenadier. I think he heat has gotten to you. You expect a new brand to instantly have the coverage of a brand half a century plus old? So give them a chance given it is less than five years and two of those the pandemic flatlined global supply chains. Love my Grenadier. They are already kitting them for safari in Kenya, Tanzania, Bots, and SA. My fiancée just drove by the dealer in Nairobi.
Most people certainly do. Those that are serious about having tools to do their own repairs. In any case, Torx sets are very commonly available to purchase and are fairly universal on vehicles of all sorts built in the 21st Century.
Allied Bank, United Bank, and Trust Bank merged and became Amalgamated Banks of South Africa (ABSA). Allied and United were initially called "Building Societies" 😅
@@4xoverland Hi again Andrew, I love your channel and your content. But, I just watched 3 old vids on your other, "non adventure" workshop channel. It dosen't make sense and I really dont like it. New followers will also be confusd. Please change it back! Please.
@@4xoverland Its working if profit is your goal. Wjy not have one chanel that covers all your content and your patreon subscribers? which I am no longer one.
Many people didn't get what Jaguar did. Previously only limited people are looking at Jaguar ads and now the whole world is talking about their brand (good or bad).
Grenadier is not built in Germany. It is built in a Mercedes factory in France. Ideally they should have used a Mercedes straight six plus the Mercedes 9 speed automatic rather than BMW and ZF.
I think I really so have a problem with people using the word "woke". Sadly, more often than not, it's a word old white men use to whinge about things they don't like. If Jaguar want's to go woke, that's their prerogative. I don't like the rebranding, but it will not stop me from purchasing a Jag. Why, because I wouldn't have purchased a Jag anyway. Perhaps we should all just move on and let them suffer the consequences of their choices in silence. Liberal use of the word woke stops me watching videos. Perhaps others feel the same way.
There are „region specyfic” best 4x4. Now we can’t speak about one and only global best 4x4. Yes 70 series is great in Australia, and Africa, but in Europe ? It’s difficult to buy. We can’t buy in EU some others 4x4 with two solid axles - Grenadier is the one. Wrangler with 2.0 it’s not a serious overlanding vehicle. So You can complain but that is out actual global market, when buyers needs aren’t the most important things for car company. Sad but true.
IMHO, the new Jaguar ads are designed purely to get attention from anti-woke and very easily offended boomers.. Well done Jaguar, it's working a treat. Being a boomer myself, I would be more offended by the poor reliability, massive depreciation and seriously over-priced running costs of this euro trash than the silly adverts.. ;) Thanks as ever for the video.. :)
I doubt that. I'm not a boomer. I'm 40 years old, and I would explain Jaguar adv as stupidity and incompetence rather than cleverness and such long-term thinking; thus in 2-3 years, the market will give a fair judgment (result)
At the end of the day they're a business that wants to make money. A marketing team who create an advert designed to "very easily offend" any group of people is not working in the company's best interests and should be sacked. The goal should be to appeal to as wide an audience as possible.
Whilst talking about film making and story telling, and I agree story telling is the major objective. Tell an interesting story! Of course, but please try and get your camera focus right and do not rely on auto focus so the background is in focus but the subject is not. Pretty basic really.
I have been shocked by the size of two 'cars' the first time I saw them on the road in recent times. The first was the new 'Defender'; the second was the only time I saw the Ineos. Frankly I think both are vulgar.
Please, for the love of God Grenadier owners . . . Recognised how much I liked the Grenadier. Rarely if ever have I gushed about a 4x4 that much. Yet this seems ignored and I'm too often asked why I "Hate the Grenadier?" If you can't remember the positives I presented, then you've become brand-biased fan-boy. Like I try to be, at my cost, be honest. Notice the good - and the bad. I am still frustrated that Ineos did not build the car they set out to. They built an expensive, luxury 4x4 and that is not what original Defender owners wanted. And until they do, I'll not stop talking about how they let us down.
Agreed Andrew. I wanted one, paid the deposit based on the brief, but withdrew and (sadly) bought a 70 series instead.
Interesting comparison Grenadier v 300 series, IMO 2 very different vehicles. I have access to both and they are almost night and day in many ways. Access to parts for both is the same I have found. Reliability long term? That is in the future, I hope the Grenadier makes it, the 300 the same. All very complicated machines.
I really do hope they succeed.
Personally, I hope they make a single cab and a spacecab/extra cab version. And the possibility of a 2 door wagon with a van sliding door.
Ineos have 1 vehicle, with 2 versions. A 4 door ute or 4 door wagon.
Options should not be grouped into a particular version, you pay for what you want and need.
Maybe that would mean a slight loss for the company financially, but I think it would be easily recouped by charging the rich twats $200,000 for the range topping luxurious shopping trolley.
@mini_steve apparently, there is a single cab on the horizon from what the CEO said. Whether it goes into production, that's another matter.
I believe the top honchos at Jaguar now claim that the whole thing was a hoax to get publicity.
I think it is BS.
I think they had not anticipated how the world is sick of woke already. They thought that bending to KS and his cronies would bring massive success. What they got, was taken from behind.
It seems Budweiser and Disney's lessons were forgotten.
Hi Andrew, interesting to hear your opinion on the Grenadier. You might be interested in this 👉We're actually on a 5-year trip in a Grenadier across the world right now towing a Patriot X3, which we live in. We set off from London in mid-July 2023 with our two young kids and we’re approaching 50000km. At least 70% of our journey has been off-road... heading to Mongolia and Africa soon.
@@projectwildearth How is it holding up?
@ Very well! No major dramas!
Howdy Andrew! Been a subscriber for some time now, and greatly appreciate your content! I am the proud owner of 2010 Gen 5 4Runner (like you drove) with 255K, and not a squeak or rattle. Absolutely the best vehicle I’ve ever owned. I’m a professional photographer based in Utah, I overland and lead photography workshops around the west. I have it dialed, and sleep in it regularly. That’s my two cents.
So many people making comments about how they killed the Jaguar brand. Wake up! It died a while back. No one was buying their cars so either they just shut up shop or give it one last go.
Obviously you could also argue that if they make reliable cars that people wanted they wouldn't need a relaunch.
Agreed, they have struggled since the 80"s with a image of being an old mans car, although they were hip enough in the 60's with the E Type and there are some fantastic rebuilds and restomods. Their new SUV's are soso and look alot like "budget" models from Hyundai, Kia and the like, not terrible thing but not distinctive. The one big problem is they missed the Zeitgeist which is currently very Anti Woke, diversity and inclusion. either that is deliberate to get attention or shockingly naive for the Marketing and advertising.
Ineos is the best 4*4 car
I run 55,000km on mine without any issues , Such amazing car 😍👌🏻
Barely broken in then
Tell that to Toyota Tundra owners, 100,000 plus, whose trucks are just plain broken and scrambling to get in line for new engines. In the first 100 K miles my 200 series got a new Radiator, water pump and costly timing chain cover oil leak repaired. Sold it with non retracting review mirror because the cost to repair it was over $2,300 US. Now own two Grenadiers and have a quartermaster on order.
I have a mere 15k klms, loving it more and more, such a capable vehicle
I ran 460 g wagens..had 5 and they never let me down. 80’s reliable engines. I’ve had Nissan y60 and 80 seris. I’ve loved them all..if I had the money now it would be a hard choice between the ineos and the prado 250 for me, a very hard choice !
@ianwatson3315 interesting choice, 2 VERY difficult vehicles
(5th Gen) 4Runner 4Ever 💪🏼
Really wish you get to review a stock 4Runner.Especially something like a TRD Pro trim that is intended to use in such travel right from factory. The factory 2.5in TRD Fox suspension with rear piggy bag style remote reservoir shocks are very decent something from Toyota factory. Same for the A/T tires they come with. So love to hear a review about a bone stock 4Runner TRD Pro. Because a modified (suspension, tires, etc...) 4Runner can be amazing to crap.
The 5th gen 4runner is one of the best vehicles toyota has made. That 4.0 v6 is bullet proof.
We are not footage collectors, we are story tellers. Hi Andrew, I enrolled 2 of your course on Udemy.
12:09 Thank you! Someone with clout has finally said what I have from the beginning.
The BMW engine is built in Austria as are ~70-80% of all BMW engines. It won several years in a row the best engine award. I think it won't make much trouble. I don't know how's the BMW service in Australia but I think the Ineos are very gerous with there workshop manuals.
BMW engines are all unreliable as of today. Best engine award is for performance or emissions - not simple reliability.
@@SodiumSyndicate You are a dinosaur, and have not even bothered to research modern BMW engines, especially in comparison to other Euro 6 engines. A cave will prob last longer than a house, but a house is still better.
@@davidkelly3779 In comparison to OTHER Euro 6 engines filled with soft plastic parts. No thanks. They won't last overlanding use.
@ That right there is the part you don’t get. They are all going to be E6 engines, yes all new engines. As far as plastic parts go, my 25 year old V8 Land Rover engine has not had any plastic related failures.
You are 25 years behind in your tech thinking already.
The Ineos BMW engine , in the Diesel Version at least , I believe is the Old (now) M57 . Early Common Rail .
Considered one of the most reliable " Car " diesels ever made . Better that Toyota , generally speaking .
No, it’s the current engine. The old diesel engine used to grenade when in use with UK Highway Patrol and was withdrawn from service after one officer was killed when his engine threw a rod when on a high speed mission. Many others also failed in a similar way and BMW withdrew the model from emergency service sales in the UK.
@@hedydd2. M57's don't " Grenade " .
The Internals are Massively strong . Plastic ancillaries and Electronics were the only problems , Ever .
The New BMW engines are significantly more fragile .
Also , for Highway Patrol duties , Diesels might not be the Best choice .
Selected for their Frugality , obviously , but a Petrol Engine can idle away for very extended periods without issue but a Diesel Engine will glaze up and some other issues to do with the lower volatility of the Fuel .
@ Tell that to UK police forces They will put you right.
BMW stopped selling cars to UK police forces in January 2023 after many police forces restricted the use of BMWs with the N57 engine. The N57 engine is found in several BMW police vehicles, including the 330d, 530d, and X5.
The decision to stop selling BMWs to UK police forces was made after a series of factors, including:
Safety concerns
In 2020, PC Nicholas Dumphreys of Cumbria Police died after the engine in his BMW patrol car failed. An inquest found that a faulty crankshaft bearing punctured the oil sump, causing a fire in the engine compartment
@@hedydd2. Yeah , well HERE'S the Problem . I said the M - 57 Engine .
The Bulletproof Predecessor to the N 57 .
You should probably Pay Attention better , Pal .
There were some design changes between models . So called " Updates ", many of which have been roundly Panned for being a backward step or simply pointless .
Either way , the Mercedes 60x range of engines were ,and still are , better than ANY of the BMW offerings .
@@johncunningham4820 So you now actually concede that the BMW engine as fitted to the Grenadier is not bullet proof. The previous engine is not fitted to Grenadier and never has been. Thanks for admitting it ‘pal’.
Thank you Andeew for the video. @18:10 What was their suspension set up for 4runner?
Goodbye Jag.
yup, another great British car maker going down the drain....very sad....
there are a lot of very smart people at Jaguar they wouldn't be heading in this direction for no reason
@@claytonthiedecke469*were* allot of smart people at jaguar lol it seems they’ve jumped ship…
Go woke go bust 👏
Your tracing the Okavango river series is my favorite. I’ve watched it twice in the series form. Long form would be great!
There is a Grenadier in my town in Central Iowa USA. I was surprised it isn’t much bigger than my 2020 Wrangler. Still, my envy rose significantly. My budget is used Wrangler I’m afraid.
I notice a lot of Grenadiers in Melbourne parked on the street outside their houses very shiny, it seems they are used as a luxury car. Me and my old defender thought have been around the traps, bashed and muddy and still driving around Melbourne.
To be fair, most LCs don't go offroad either.
@@DD-tc8nd Yes I see a lot of those including the V8 Patrols.
Well that's what happens when they cost over 100k
You never mention that the back glass of the 4runner goes down, just like the windows , and it is the greatest thing ever, and all dogs agree.
I love my 4runner ,for what im doing its perfect.
It gets a bad rep with some folks because its slow , and kinda thirsty ,and being not a 1-ton diesel lol.
For one or two people to go out a camp its perfectly sized.
And its easier to live with the rest of the time.
Diesel is kinda a pain to deal with nowadays , id rather have a nice simple gas burner than a ,super capable , but extremely expensive to maintain or repair long term.
The old diesels were cool.
These new ones are only meant to be owned by a corporation that can write of the expense at the end of the day.
Blew up a Cummins with 105k on the clock because the dpf got so clogged that it blew all of the oil out of the dipstick hole and burned up #4 piston.
15k later we had a new engine in it that ran for ten minutes and then dropped another piston.
As a construction company that was super annoying .
As a average consumer wouldve been absolutely financially ruinious.
Toyota's reputation isnt what it used to be unfortunately.
Nothing they make now appeals to me and its sad.
None of their latest refreshes states side have sparked joy .
The 4runner has been the same basic truck since '04, and now they have utterly ruined it.
The new tacomas are bigger than a full size truck from the 90's , and less capable , with that candyass 5 ft bed.
Makes me want to move to a cabin in the woods and renonce humanity ,at least a little bit ngl.
Love the channel sir , cheers !
@@gregstewie40 you do know that dogs in the rear cargo with windows down is just getting a heavy dose of exhaust poisoning ?
You videos are so relaxing to watch aspw, thank you
What’s interesting about the grenadier is that they aren’t holding their second hand value in the way that old defenders still do. In the UK you can pick up a year old field master Grenadier for about £50k, which was close to £75k new. Compared to a nearly 8 year old 110 defender that’s been looked after still fetching price around the £35k mark. With these prices comping down for Grenadiers we might see a few more modded and adapted versions that take away some of the problems. The steering centering issue for instance can be improved by changing some of the steering geometry I hear.
Thanks for sharing and taking us along
I have a Defender 300tdi that I would never sell, but when I moved to US I first had a Jeep, just before falling in love with my.4Runner TRD offroad. I bought it before toyota mess with it like they did with Landcruiser and Tacoma (and raised the prices ridiculously). I love my old fashion V6 4Runner.
Looking forward to watching your travel videos on the other channel. Because of you, I’m currently planning a trip to Botswana and Namibia.
5:40 OMG exactly 💯
I am in Southern California, land of the Forunners!
Fantastic, as usual.
You mentioned quality vs quantity on drone footage. I agree especially when the footage is circling about over and over. Though maybe they can sell the drone footage and that's their goal?
I'm not sure about how easily sourced they are around the world but the BMW 3 litre engine and parts seems widely available here in australia. They are becoming a popular engine conversion for GU Patrols. I don't own one but that must say something for their reliability and availability.
If you want a replacement for an old Defender, buy a pick up- follow the example of UK farmers as they know what works.
My Ford Ranger [both of them] are superb but they have a fairly long rear overhang [shallow departure angle] and may have a longer wheelbase that is optimal for extreme off road use and playing around. Also leaf springs at the back are a weak point as, at least in the UK, they are rated for a ton payload which means they are maybe too stiff for some conditions and, let’s face it, leaf springs are prone to break leaves. It may be a reflection of my vehicle’s duty cycle, but I have replaced five leaf springs on my 2014 Ranger, with a mix of genuine parts and aftermarket.
I had a RR L322 with bmw straight 6 diesel. Got it past 300k kms with only injectors replaced. Good car. Interior build quality was poor but I loved everything else about it.
love the L322
Look out for the “ Croc” 😫
I fully agree with your insights about INEOS Grenadier.
Professional oriented vehicles, 4x4, for agriculture, of tarmac activities are difficult to find in the market.
The professionals are struggling to have good, solid, decent prices for reliable uncomplicated vehicles. The Grenadier fails in all these domains, because it's more a luxury vehicle and not a Defender Pre 2015.
I would love your opinion about the Mahindra Pik Up. I've got one in New Zelaand.Zealand. It has Impressive fuel economy, and with a flat deck, it is awesome for my camping trips. However, it is proving hard to find parts in New Zealand. Overwall, I love it. A new one is way cheaper than a Land Cruise 70 series. It is missing the front solid axle, though. Could that become a good platform for overlanding after getting a bit more popular in Australia?
Its unpopular not because of its performance, because its really great value. But you said it. Spares? Support? Same problem with Grenadier. People go for Toyota because every one is backed up with spares & support and familiarity. In less developed countries this is so important.
But you were driving what looked like a G-wagon when you photographed the two
😅lads in Namibia. Are the parts easy to get there? Thanks. Valanga.
Well spotted. I drove my G to Namibia in 2000. And that is an exotic! When the Germans took them on the Canning Stock Route, they had to fly in spares, because they broke. The price of driving an exotic off road. I've done Namibia in early Range Rovers and Land Rovers, all easy to work on. And in 2010 when i photographed the two boys then went into Angola, I was driving a Land Cruiser 1HZ engined 105. The simplest 4wd one could get. Then several trips in Land Cruisers, where tyres, exhaust systems, batteries, belts, filters etc can be found in almost every town. And once in an Amarok, but we stayed on the main roads.
Hilarious ASPW standing waist-deep in a lagoon while full-on ranting.
Like from second two =)
👋🏻🤠🇫🇮
Being in Canada, currently with a 3rd Gen 4Runner & seriously considering a 5th Gen 4Runner, I’m very curious what they were using for suspension upgrades?
As an adventurer I expected you to be on the side of the entrepreneur who comes to the market with a great product build solely of reliable and time tested parts.
@@Fr99763 I expect him to be on the side of the punter and not gild the lilly with trite homilies! His assesment of the Grenedier is sound. Great luxury 4x4. Not a good choice for remote travel. It will likely have a high cost of ownership. I wager 5 yr depreciation will be rather more precipitous than that of a Hilux or 70 Series.
Thank you for the video! It’s always interesting and informative watching your videos.
Maybe the comparison between INEOS and Toyota is a little bit unfair, in regards to Toyota being over 80 years on the road, with parts, services and knowledge of the industry. INEOS is a baby in comparison and has only one vehicle.
this is my point. One vehicle. Its an exotic.
But, that 4Runner is no longer available. Planning to keep mine until the wheels fall off:)
Curious your opinion on new Scout Harvester
Crock bait wading around in that river. The fresh water ones do tend to leave alone but do get pissed off when you disturb them by mistake (guess how I know lol)
There are no crocs in these rivers.
The next gen 4Runner that's about to be released in the US, if we got that here in Australia, (as I don't need 7-seats) it's what I'd choose over the Prado. (IMO) Not only is it a better looking 4WD, seeing Toyota's pricing hierarchy, it will also be cheaper than the Prado.
I would too.
This I6 BMW engines are a known quantity, and some version of them has been sold on every continent. BMWs issues are never their engines, usually it’s the Bosch electrics first, then the other bits start failing: brakes, suspension, cooling,etc. but the engine itself is still silky smooth. If Ineos has got those other systems sorted, the engine isn’t likely to fail.
Tell that to the UK Highway Patrol police. They have withdrawn the last generation of BMW diesel 3.0 from service due to massive and common critical failures where they put rods through the block. These engines also have lots of plastic components and some gaskets that harden and get brittle with age and heat and eventually fail.
They just redesigned that 4runner, it's larger (unfortunately). I have the 3rd generation 4runner, it's shorter than a 4 door J90 Prado and a little narrower too. The rear window rolling down is a signature feature. Until the J90 it was sold in many markets like Australia. It was sold as the Surf and SW4 in Brazil, with a diesel or gas engine.
For the last 20 years in the US the 4runner was more Land Cruiser than a Land Cruiser because they only sold the Land Cruiser fully loaded in options that was unaffordable.
Also I'd say Jaguar is green washing or virtue signaling. Woke has some connotations.
it's interesting to see how much of the personality of the designers were integrated into the OG land rover (an engineer) vs the grenadier (a couple of very rich blokes in a pub)
A couple of very rich blokes in a pub. Love it.
I wonder about the change of audio quality when being in (correctly: mic over) water. Andrew, can you (or someone else) shed some light on this. And maybe even how to improve it?
JAGUAR - Give me one - I will sell it immediately and buy a LandCruiser heck maybe even Grenadier xD ** storytelling - I am comic artist and writer working on my own graphic novel - story telling is the most human thing we can do and are doing. Much respect, sir - for yet another reason =D
Sir Jim Ratdcliffe has deep pockets,he also knows how to build a great car
I hope he can buy Jaguar after it's imminent collapse.
Well, the four wheel drive community trounced the defender, but it’s been a huge success for JLR. I think the same will happen here with Jaguar. People forget that the biggest middle class market, and growing, is in Asia now and quite honestly, JLR’s old customer base is just not where the money is now. 50% of car sales in China are electric and they love to make statement purchases, Jaguars new concept looks to fit that perfectly.
I blame Gerry Mclovin for Jaguar. And yep, still waiting on a base spec Grenadier. Something the red cross would drive in remote places.
*If* Ineos develop strong supply chains in line with the popularity of the car, they may be onto a winner. I imagine neither Defender nor Jeep supply chains were robust in the early days, but you could repair them with binder-twine and chewing gum. Can’t do that with a modern car, despite Ineos attempting to simplify. I say good luck to them, more choice for the consumer is a good thing!
the early jeeps used off the shelf components...these parts could be taken from a totally different brand of vehicle and modified to work using simple wrenches/spanners....as you mentioned, cars nowadays are all pretty much proprietary with exotic tools required...so this type of bush fix is now near impossible.
One would hope that Grenadier would have take the opportunity of the enforced shut-down to build stock of spare parts, especially to start making replacement body panels and chassis sections. Also get their workshop manuals on-line for customers. Also take the opportunity to facelift the vehicle in order to modify and correct any common issues and design faults. Production is unlikely to restart before February IMO due to Recaro seat production being transferred to Italy and all the work that entails.
I’m having problems with mine. This Friday will be the 10th time mine will go back to the dealer. Been nearly a year since I picked mine up. I’ve had enough now. Looking at the Land Cruisers once I get out of this circus.
What problems, do tell.
Jaguar management need a complete overhaul.
Ineos came really close to hitting the mark. As much as I love old BMW's I wouldnt put a modern BMW engine in an overlanding vehicle regardless of how beautifully smooth they are. Isuzu 4bg1 is the polar opposite as far as NVH goes - but endlessly reliable - an ideal candidate for a vehicle expected to run in harsh conditions in remote areas... its funny - JRA used its predecessor once upon a time and built arguably the best Land Rovers ever made....the Perentie! Come on - someone needs to pick up the concept and run with it!
Harry's garage has a stock 4 door jag that does 200mph
sad those days are gone
Why did you make the workshop the travel channel and 4xoverland the builds channel?
I matched the most popular content with the largest channel. People don't sub to channels because of their names. Only the content.
Jaguar hasn't built a desirable mass produced vehicle in over 50 years...the E-Type was the pinnacle. From 1975 to now what have they produced that is still in demand, collected, sought after or even named "one of the best"? The F-Type is ok, but still not on par with similar priced Porsches, BMW's or even the lowly Corvette. Seriously, it's time for Jaguar to close the doors.
The generation that bought Jags in the halcyon days are either dead or in their dotage, we are on the horizon of a brave new electric world, love it or loathe it, there is no going back. Jaguar have captured our attention, now they need to deliver and it is new-car buyers who will break or make Jaguar; the views of people like myself with a Bonneville and a 20 year old, but only 40k miles Defender - that I hope will see me out - are irrelevant.
I'm a fan of both the Tacoma and 4Runner. It's a shame we get the Fortuner instead of the 4Runner here in AUS.
I think Ineos miss the boat by not doing a SWB, just think of how many people by an offroad 4x4 just for the status and never tack it truly off road. Yes it's not a Defender replacement but it's looks close enough without having the sudo bling styling of a G. I truthfully believe they would have sold a SWB like hot cakes. Maybe they just servay the real offroaders and overlanders with a few farmers thrown in for good measure, reality is the SWB Defender sold to a much wider market and that market as much as they like the idea of a LWB off Roader the reality of that turning circle will soon put them off.
Poor Jaguar.
As a gen z person, the Jaguar brand gives a similar perception to Cadillac or Harley Davidson. I completely understand the cult following to the older Jaguars and the racing legacy, but a new Jag would never on my buy list.
You haven't heard of the pink pound?
I’ve driven a number of new 2024 4WDs over the past 4 months, 300, Silverado 2500 Duramax, Ranger Raptor, and Triton. I’ve gotta say, I’ll never ever buy any of these vehicles, and all the other similar models too! This intrusive “safety” equipment, features drive me insane within 5 minutes! Vibrating steering wheel, alarm and flashing lights if I dare turn my head to see around the corner, seat belt alarm, doors open alarms, ABS, automatic brake application, limp mode for the most minor fault code, electronic gear shift, losing the warranty anxiety, dealing with dealerships on warranty issues, (which seem immediate and continuous on every model), paying 60k to 170k for a car that is too technical, and far too complicated for the ability of the manufacturer. Parts unavailable, and the worst of them all, the very frequent and soul crushing engine failures!
None of these vehicles will be crossing the Canning Stock Line when they are 10 years old, let alone 28 years old as my 80 series!
The car industry is in massive trouble!
The only weakness of the Ineos Grenadier is that it is not a Land Cruiser.... Why anyone would pay more for an old Defender than they could for a Land Cruiser, is beyond me....😎😎
Far nicer ride with better tech than the 79.
@@TheTripleDubya Absolutely, you are going to enjoy playing with the tech, while dying of thirst after breaking down in the outback...
@@Macedonia270 unfortunately that is just as possible in a Toyota nowadays as an Ineos.
The old school diesels that we could fix on the side of the road are dead.
@TheTripleDubya Except the Cruisers never break down....
@ never used to but lately them 300s have been having issues and the 4cyl 79s will soon too I reckon.
Happy to be wrong about the 79s but it’s a feeling I get.
Since EVs constitute the most exciting performance available from cars, why would you say a Jaguar EV is automatically not targeted at car enthusiasts? Who else wants the most exciting performance available from cars? I suspect you mean that it is not targeted at EV-hating car enthusiasts. Well, duh.
@@tnargs57 Agree. Where did the assumption that “car enthusiasts” can’t have environmental concerns come from? Given Jag has already made one of the best EVs for drivers (i-pace), they’re doubling down on a risky bet on an EV future. Rather than putting an equally risky non EV bet and possibly becoming an irrelevant heritage brand. Who’d be a car executive?
The major thoughts that some should consider about "new vehicles" and the manufacturers that produce them are often overlooked.
Emissions regulations that are changing on a daily basis from the EU (that obviously dictate what can be made and sold without massive government and global fines imposed) are having a massive effect on the way car manufacturer's think.
For the past 10 years, there is not one single new vehicle that 75% of the human population would consider getting into a depreciating debt for.
Well, half intelligent humans anyway.
One thing you didn't mention , the fuel tank on the Ineos variations have pathetic capacity , hanging cans and tanks over the outside may work but are in no way as efficient or safe as having a larger capacity built in fuel tank .It is not so much how far the vehicle can take you without a breakdown, the problem is, if and when it does happen who can repair it , where do you get parts etc . keep up the good work.
Auxiliary fuel tanks are already available. Just like the two I installed in both of my 200’s that I have sold to make room for the two grenadiers I now have.
There is a 67 lt LR tank available, and with all new vehicles, they aren't repairable on the road. Same can be said for nearly all vehicles, I broke a 200 series brake line in remote Western Australia and it was a 4 week wait from Japan.
Nothing is left of Jaguar except the name plate, so nothing.
there’s always a level of creativity above you and reckon gerry mcgovern is well above your pay grade. jag was in the crapper anyway, so needed something bold. let’s give them a chance and see how they go with their new campaign.
Jaguar, I feel excluded.....im not cool enough 😂
I miss the camel trofee
Can’t see anything Woke in those Jag ads.
And you can be a car enthusiast and love EVs.
And since when did you start doing ads for Sony?
Land Rover replaced the Defender with a new better Defender. Stop being so sour. The new Defender ISN’T a Discovery. The D5 is the Discovery. Get over it mate.
I would buy a Jaguar XKR. Actually, I'm planning to do so. New one? I'm 40 years old, and that adv it is not about me (quite the opposite), so I wouldn't
The old 4runner i remember was based on the Hilux.
I think you might be right. Early Tacomas in North America were based off 3rd gen 4Runner platforms.
@garn79 Toyota never released them in South Africa. However I have seen both the 4runner and Surf in the rest of Africa to our north..
I thought the Tacoma was built on the Prado chassis? No sure.
If it took 800 people to work on this rebrand, what are their qualifications or abilities? It's one thing to be radical and grab headlines by abandoning a company's history, heritage, and customer base; it's entirely another thing to try to capture a new market that you don't even know exists. If their target market resembles those in the adverts, they'll struggle for customers. They've grabbed a headline, and we all know they're rebranding. Thus far, they have yet to grab any customers, and their poor sales performance of late looks likely to continue - although as they'll have zero sales in 2024, any sales in 2025 will be an improvement, whether they'll match pre-plandemic levels, I very much doubt. They want to be a small niche brand for niche customers.
The Grenadier looks like a Temu Defender, but given how far JLR has fallen, it's better than nothing.
Andrew, come down off the ledge, there is nothing exotic about the INEOS Grenadier. I think he heat has gotten to you. You expect a new brand to instantly have the coverage of a brand half a century plus old? So give them a chance given it is less than five years and two of those the pandemic flatlined global supply chains. Love my Grenadier. They are already kitting them for safari in Kenya, Tanzania, Bots, and SA. My fiancée just drove by the dealer in Nairobi.
BMW engines have single use torx Aluminium bolts and other oddball methods.
Most people dont own torx sockets.
Most people certainly do. Those that are serious about having tools to do their own repairs. In any case, Torx sets are very commonly available to purchase and are fairly universal on vehicles of all sorts built in the 21st Century.
It’s built in France, not Germany.
there is a correction text in the video.
Looks like the old ABSA ad that?
United Bank. Became ABSA.
Allied Bank, United Bank, and Trust Bank merged and became Amalgamated Banks of South Africa (ABSA).
Allied and United were initially called "Building Societies" 😅
@@BubblesTheCat1 I remember. Allied, Perm and United were Building Societies. Trust was a bank.
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@PhansiKhongoloza Yeah, I forgot about Perm Building Society. Gosh, that was long ago. Getting old more likely 🤭🙋🏼♂️
Wow....well, I guess I'm never gonna get a Jaguar lmao
As an Australian, I would never drive my vehicle over to Namibia.
Please swap your channels Andrew.
Who watches TH-cam channels based mainly on the channel's name? Sorry if this confused you. But its working.
@@4xoverland Hi again Andrew, I love your channel and your content. But, I just watched 3 old vids on your other, "non adventure" workshop channel. It dosen't make sense and I really dont like it. New followers will also be confusd. Please change it back! Please.
@@4xoverland Its working if profit is your goal. Wjy not have one chanel that covers all your content and your patreon subscribers? which I am no longer one.
a grenadier joint venture with an established Chinese car company with a drive away of 45 to 50k would've been interesting
Many people didn't get what Jaguar did. Previously only limited people are looking at Jaguar ads and now the whole world is talking about their brand (good or bad).
Grenadier is not built in Germany. It is built in a Mercedes factory in France. Ideally they should have used a Mercedes straight six plus the Mercedes 9 speed automatic rather than BMW and ZF.
I think I really so have a problem with people using the word "woke". Sadly, more often than not, it's a word old white men use to whinge about things they don't like.
If Jaguar want's to go woke, that's their prerogative. I don't like the rebranding, but it will not stop me from purchasing a Jag. Why, because I wouldn't have purchased a Jag anyway. Perhaps we should all just move on and let them suffer the consequences of their choices in silence.
Liberal use of the word woke stops me watching videos. Perhaps others feel the same way.
There are „region specyfic” best 4x4. Now we can’t speak about one and only global best 4x4. Yes 70 series is great in Australia, and Africa, but in Europe ? It’s difficult to buy. We can’t buy in EU some others 4x4 with two solid axles - Grenadier is the one. Wrangler with 2.0 it’s not a serious overlanding vehicle. So You can complain but that is out actual global market, when buyers needs aren’t the most important things for car company. Sad but true.
They lost me with no Neural transfer case and full-time four-wheel drive. one can't even flat tow it.
@@ElCapitan12 there is a neutral in the gear box
That’s a problem that I wasn’t aware of. How is it that it has a manual shifting transfer box and one cannot find neutral on it?
IMHO, the new Jaguar ads are designed purely to get attention from anti-woke and very easily offended boomers.. Well done Jaguar, it's working a treat. Being a boomer myself, I would be more offended by the poor reliability, massive depreciation and seriously over-priced running costs of this euro trash than the silly adverts.. ;) Thanks as ever for the video.. :)
I doubt that. I'm not a boomer. I'm 40 years old, and I would explain Jaguar adv as stupidity and incompetence rather than cleverness and such long-term thinking; thus in 2-3 years, the market will give a fair judgment (result)
They're going against the small demographic that buys them, it's hilarious
At the end of the day they're a business that wants to make money. A marketing team who create an advert designed to "very easily offend" any group of people is not working in the company's best interests and should be sacked. The goal should be to appeal to as wide an audience as possible.
Neglecting a certain group is not a brilliant idea
@@ZacTexC That's a sentiment "anti-wokies" might take to heart.
Whilst talking about film making and story telling, and I agree story telling is the major objective. Tell an interesting story! Of course, but please try and get your camera focus right and do not rely on auto focus so the background is in focus but the subject is not. Pretty basic really.
Ineos should have used an Isuzu motor perhaps
I have been shocked by the size of two 'cars' the first time I saw them on the road in recent times. The first was the new 'Defender'; the second was the only time I saw the Ineos. Frankly I think both are vulgar.
You Look like Croc Dundee it the water - - - -
4Runner is a Hilux not a Prado.
Woke is? what is Woke? what are you saying when you say Woke?
The Woke are people who lack critical thinking skills.,
for me, its political correctness gone insane.
and how does that relate to the jag
Jaguar is obviously not marketing to boomers who can't let go of their conservative views and pointless resistance to inevitable change.