The only criticism I have about the LN is how they used Misaka and Misaki in the latest volumes, they're just there because they're popular among fans, they serve no purpose to the story really. But I trust in Kamachi's words that he'll add depth to their character later on in the story.
I know you've prolly heard this a lot already but you should just read the light novels they give a more detailed explanation to the things you mentioned. Although your point on angel fall and that transforming mage is valid, but index doesn't really have a good adaptation for its series compared to the spin offs, most likely because the story isn't simple to grasp unless you do prior research on some topics. You made some amazing points and i mostly agree anime wise. 👍
@@YumesukeSutashika Well that’s a shame. But since you didn’t like it I’d recommend you drop the series while your still at it no point of reading it if your not interested, it not for everyone after all but I hope this won’t make you hate the series because it’s popular in Japan for reason it even just won some awards. Anyways though just drop it if your not interested no point in wasting your time 👍🏿
@@YumesukeSutashikaThen you dont have the right to say one is better than the other since you dont have the attention span to read rather than watch a mid adaptation
I think you didn't get the point of some arcs. Deep blood arc was more about how touma was dealing with his memory crisis and him being a foil to Izzard. Touma could've ended up like izzard if he couldn't save index. And gabriel isn't evil in the angel fall arc. It was stated that angels have no free will and will do god absolute bidding. She only gained desire when she was removed from heaven and wishes to return. There were only two ways to do that. Either kill the one that summoned Gabriel or destroy the altar. Gabriel chose the most efficient. Also you totally miss the point of Enzali. He was send by his cabal to investigate if Touma is a threat to the magic side. Enzali was there to do his job. Not because he was evil. Sherry attacked academy not because she is EVIL but because she lost all hope that science and magic can not coexist together cuz of trauma of losing a friend. She loathe both sides. I respect your opinion and you don't have to like index but please give at least a full analysis. You missed some crucial points that makes sense and are important to the plot and his characters
Nuh uh, I canonically slept when I watched Railgun ss1 (all of it), Railgun ss2 carried by the sisters arc, the only arc where Misaka was a good character (still got half of it carried by Accelerator and Touma). THE BEST ARC IS A FREAKING INDEX ARC (of course I acknowledge that it's better in Railgun, but still). Railgun T again, got carried by Touma and Gunha (doppelganger arc was for Misaka to showoff, nothing more). Basically the formula was like this: Touma = good, Misaka = meh (and WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE THE FLASHBACK ARC IN THE MANGA, HOLY HELL IT WAS THE MOST POWERFUL SLEEPING POWDER EVER!) Also WW3 arc solos all of Railgun (my boy Fiamma and Hamazura is so peak), even OT2 solos most of it (because Sisters arc exists obviously). OT2 is extremely underrated, why ya ask? FREAKING JC STAFF RUINED THAT, HELLA NO OT2 AND OT4 INCIDENT IS HAUNTING ME RGAHHHHHHHH!H!H!!!!!. Index ss1 in anime should be like this: OT1 - OT4: Peak fiction, the four horsemen of starter arc, the 4 arcs that made index a horror Light Novel instead of a battle fantasy (it was never just battle fantasy to begin with). AND NO MORE, CAUSE IT SHOULD BE 6 EPISODES PER ARC. Basically? This vid is comparing 1% of Index power to 120% of what Railgun is capable of, that's basically it. No disrespect of course, I respect everyone's taste (unless it cross my line), especially Toaru fans in general, but again, ya shouldn't downplay Index like this, like Holy hell I was having TROUBLE telling people to freaking get into the series (Index), I'm glad that probably only Toaru fans watch this vid, if not, it would've been HELL. Anyways, have a nice day.
No offense, I respect your opinion and you as a person and railgun is a good spin off, but you clearly haven’t read the index LNs because the anime did a crap job at adapting the Peakneas that is the Toaru LNs, and left out a lot of important details. And there’s even the fact that the LN is still going and it keeps getting better and better. Edit: Also because of how bad the anime was, you got a lot of information wrong about index.
I've read some of the LN's and I've read the LN summaries for the arcs. From what I've gathered, the LN fans just use "the anime is bad" as a blanket excuse to avoid any criticism towards the story. What did the LN have that would change anything that I mentioned in this video? Were there villains more sympathetic? Were the new concepts for each arc more interesting? Were the villains better tied to the new concept?
@@YumesukeSutashika ???? Idk how much of you read or where you read summaries or why you think reading summaries is a good idea at all, but yes to literally every single one of your questions. And to answer your question what the anime changed well it skipped over fights, character arcs, explaining the magic system better, skipped a lot of important details in the story, etc. Also didn’t you say in another comment that you tried to read but never finished, so why would you say that spin off was better when you didn’t even finish the original series?
@@joshuapatterson8269 This is what I'm talking about. You didn't give any specific examples addressing the specific problems I mentioned. You just gave a blanket "yes" and I'm supposed to believe you? Then you followed up with "it skipped over fights, character arcs, explaining the magic system better, skipped a lot of important details in the story," none of which were complaints I had about the story. If you expect me to believe you, then you need to give specific examples that are relevant to the problems I mentioned. Your logic in the last question makes no sense. I watched 3 seasons of Index and 3 seasons of Railgun. I finished what was in the anime and cross referenced my problems with the source material to leave no room for excuses by LN fans. I don't see the confusion. And when I said "summary," I meant the wiki's breakdown of the arcs. For example, Angel Fall has a 23 paragraph summary of the light novel's arc. That's more than enough detail.
@@YumesukeSutashika Ok you want to be specific here you go, The first volume for the most part is actually adapted quite well though it does skip over touma’s inner thoughts which is VERY important to his character throughout the whole series, because we see his thoughts and feelings on situations, for instance he’s in this constant struggle with trying to find a way to save index because he’s tired of feeling powerless and tired of just being “the misfortunate one”, and IB gets in the way of that, and is why he’s so unfortunate in the first place. The second volume/arc is where things fall off, because we don’t get to hear toumas inner thoughts we can’t sympathize with him as a character because it just makes him look like the same of person he was before he lost his memories, which is NOT true, Biohacher(a volume that takes place before he meets index) pushes that point home even further. So throughout the volume and OT as whole he’s trying to act like how previous touma would act and has a whole identity crisis about it. We also get another important part of Toumas character is when he meets one of the students who starts to do a magic spell but slowly starts dying because she’s an esper and espers aren’t allowed to use magic. Touma has a inner monologue about rather he should save her or not because he’s being chased and saving her would put him at a risk of being killed but he ends up trying to save her anyway, realizing that he can’t leave someone in danger if he can help them. We also get a rushed version of himegamis backstory and how she felt guilty due to her having Deep blood and killing everyone in her village unintentionally because of it, and why she chooses to izzard because she thinks he can help her with her ability. And we run into our first skipped character Dummy (Fake) Izzard whose ability turns whatever is darts in into gold and explodes, and skipped fight scene between him and styil and touma. When touma fights izzard, izzard kills the girl touma saves which makes him rage and nearly kills him, but ends up sparring him. This is where we learn where touma gets his “no killing rule” and it’s again another important part of his character. Y’know if you want to experience the changes yourself you should really just go read the novels, and again it’s really laughable how you think reading the wiki is somehow is going to give you all the knowledge that you need. Like do you know how stupid that is? Go actually read peak fiction, there’s a reason why it was the number # 1 series for so long and why it’s so popular in Japan.
@@joshuapatterson8269 Your arguments just deteriorate the longer you type. I asked you for information RELEVANT to the video, and just in case you were too lazy to actually rewatch the video, I spelled it out for you. I said: "Were there villains more sympathetic? Were the new concepts for each arc more interesting? Were the villains better tied to the new concept?" And what did you do? You decided to write a wall of text about Touma's inner thoughts that are skipped in the anime. Nonsense like this just supports my theory that you LN fans are just delusional crybabies. Nothing you said was relevant to my complaints and I predicted this would happen. I said "the LN fans just use "the anime is bad" as a blanket excuse to avoid any criticism towards the story. " I said "You just gave a blanket "yes" and I'm supposed to believe you?" And then you give your proof, it shows that you lied with the blanket "yes." You proved me right, buddy. "you think reading the wiki is somehow is going to give you all the knowledge that you need." For the complaints that I had, the wiki gave me the knowledge that I needed and you have not been able to prove otherwise. Do you really how stupid it is to argue that a story being popular makes it good? Either listen to the arguments I'm actually making, or take that crybaby LN fan activity somewhere else.
This video does have a good point, i would also say some other things for example index has the sisters arc aswell as railgun, but in railgun the arc carrys more impact from all the efforts we have seen mikoto do and mikoto is just a better protaganist for that arc as we get alot more details we cant with touma since he came in very late into the arc, and also has some really good figths missing from index, and there some more obious stuff like yeah railgun has better animation and all that there some other things aswell like the fact magic isnt even all that well explained and harder to understand than science at times so the science thems and plots can seem more fleshed out and intresting, altho i personally still enoy some of the powers in index and stuff i feel thats because of my background which gives me a understanding that makes em really cool, altho i can say the same for science and usally happens more too.
@@YumesukeSutashika the one on idol theory? If it's that one, yeah while there are magians which don't make completely all that much sense with idol theory especially in the anime I do like when they are done well I really like stuff like Terras power and how it works very well with idol theory
Eh. I like them both, I don't compare them as if they were separate pieces, I consider them both a whole as holicism says, which out of curiosity is one of the concepts covered in the series. Of course, Railgun has a better production level than Index, but Index makes up for it with a better plot.
How I wish I could speak English to understand your points. Anyway, I'm just going to do Nah, Railgun can't even be the best spin-off, there's no way it can be better than Index . Index >>> abyss >>>> Dark Matter >>>> ITEM >>>>> Astral Buddy >>>> Railgun >>>>> Mental Out >>>> and Accelerator for now. Waiting for the spin-off of a certain scientific Guts. It doesn't even make sense to compare Index with Railgun to begin with, half of Railgun's arcs are fillers, the manga didn't have enough material at the time. But if you really want to compare them in terms of plot, well... the 1st season of Railgun is completely forgettable, the first 5 episodes are pure annoying fanservice, it was only later that the anime really had a story to tell, with 3 arcs that aren't bad, but aren't remarkable compared to Sisters or Daihaseen and I'll get to that in a moment. The only memorable arc of Railgun season 1 would be Level Upper, but only if you read the Index as the message of that arc will have a completely different meaning. With this, only the first arc of Index with Kamijou Touma losing his memories becomes more memorable and emotional than the entire first season of Railgun. Dark Matter being a One-Shoot with 5 chapters is better than the first season of Railgun. From here, Railgun has a disappointing pace, in the sense that it starts its season with good arcs but ends the season with average arcs. Railgun S is only well praised because of the Sisters Arc, no one cares much about the Febril Arc which is also a filler. Same thing with Railgun T, it started full steam ahead with the Daihaseen arc, but ended only ok because of the Dopperganger fanservice arc. And the manga is like that too, we have the Jailbreaker arc which, although it has plot holes and some exaggerations, is ok too but the next arc is simply the second worst arc in the entire Toaru series, second only to the Nectar arc spin-off's Accelerator. Anyway, 3 seasons and around 20 volumes of Railgun and only 2 arcs can be considered truly incredible. One of them is even an original arc from Index, the Sisters arc that only became better executed in Railgun because to time. Kamachi wrote Index while still in high school, Railgun came out 5 years later, in that time, it's clear that the author would evolve in terms of person and writing, it's not even fair to compare Sisters written in 2004 with Sisters rewritten in 2009. Even at the same time he was rewriting Sisters in Railgun, Kamachi was starting the 3rd world war in Index, an arc with much more weight and impact than Sisters, simply a symbolic arc to end the old testament as the narrative as a whole would leave the it was Osiris and would begin a new stage, both sides: Science and magic would abandon the status quo and everything... the End of the Old Testament and the beginning of the New Testament was the culmination of Toaru, 60 volumes and I can name several arcs which are better than the entire Railgun, highlighting the Othinus arc that made the series reach an unforgettable milestone, first place for best Light Novel of 2011, something never achieved with any of the spin-offs. And Misaka herself has more development in Index than in her own Spin-off series. That's what I wanted to say. Now speaking my personal opinion. Railgun is just a candy, Index is the entire box. There is no comparison, even if that single candy is tasty, it's not worth throwing away all the others for it. Eating the others I would easily forget about it, as a set is worth more than just one unit. I love Railgun, but only for a fun slice of life because it doesn't have an engaging narrative and its arcs are predictable, it always ends with a happy or bittersweet ending, the dangers that each arc demonstrates are only at street level, that's why the real villains will never appear in Railgun. Railgun Only shows a part of the giant and wonderful world that Index has. Between a part or all of the parts, I prefer them all. And if we look at Mental Out and Astral buddy too, Railgun becomes nauseating as they would be 3 spin-offs completely devoted to showing the daily lives of Tokidawaii girls fighting the dark side. Much of this becomes boring, uninteresting, predictable... that's why the new ITEM Spin-off is hype, its focus is to show step by step how the dark side works with a cast of characters completely on the dark side. But what makes the Toaru series incredible in my opinion is not the science side and it is not the magic side, although it is the magic side that makes the world building fantastic, but not one, it's both sides, the way Kamachi interconnects science and magic, the way there is conflict and the way there is interaction between them is the best thing. The phrase: "when science and magic intersect, history begins" couldn't be better. And we see all of this in the Index. That said, Aleister Crowley > Railgun. The influence that Aleister and Thelema have on the entire narrative, power system and character writing of Toaru is incredibly well written, for me the best thing in the Toaru Series.
No one is reading all that, but I can tell you based on your first few sentences this is cap outside of filler which anyone could just skip. Railgun anime is superior to index. That is a fact you guys are basing these opinions on LN which doesn't help the anime at all.
@@1NotN Well, I was comparing the plot of both not the adaptation. Also why do they only target Railgun? The series has 5 other spin-offs but why do they only try to argue that Railgun is better than Index? Simple, because of the anime, after all it was what the majority consumed, unlike fans of Toaru itself who consumed everything in the franchise: all the spin-offs manga, SS and LN, so here it is undeniable that we have a broader view of things than fans who only saw Railgun and Index anime right?. Well, anyone who consumes the Toaru series itself knows that the Index is poorly adapted, so wanting to use the anime as an argument to say that one of the 6 spin-offs is better than the main series seems like a very desperate act to downgrade the main series, to say that the one you like is better than the one you don't like. No one is denying that ANIME railgun is better than ANIME Index, Every Toaru fan knows this, we just disagree regarding the source material. Almost every Railgun fan is a gangstar when talking about the adaptation, but almost none of them picked up the Railgun manga to read like us, the Toaru fans themselves, because if they did, they would know that Railgun isn't even the best spin-off to begin with conversation and his current flashback arc is horrible. This is a fact .
@@sotrabalho_com_argumentos6108 because we are talking about the anime, which has a grand total of two spin-offs outside the movie. The first of which literally came out only 1 year after index aired. You guys raging and babbling about the LN doesn't change anything ject because you just seem to purposely miss the point. People who think railgun is better are obviously talking about the anime alone. Crying to me that index LN i never plan on reading is better is a moot point. I can't visualize text the way you can. 90% of what they would be saying or discussing without a physical picture to visualize. Would fly over my head, I'm not a reader. I couldn't care less when im obv discussing this from an anime only perspective alone.
And btw, this video is also only talking about the anime. So you're literally just irrelevantly ranting about the source material. Just because you can't cope with any daring to say that the spin-off anime is better than the main series before you go off on another ridiculous tangent
@@1NotN You won't even read it... That's why I said I would like to understand English to watch the video. But that doesn't matter, I talked about the plot of both, if you read my first comment you would know that I mentioned that half of Railgun is filler, so my arguments consist of the plot of both the original material and the ANIME Railgun with its original arcs. And based on the plot, I say it clearly: Railgun is not better than Index, it is not even the best spin-off. The only arcs in which Railgun stands out are Sisters and Daihaseen, otherwise they are all average and forgettable arcs, whether they are fillers from the anime or arcs from the manga itself, it doesn't matter, they are still average arcs compared to Index. I say again, I'm not talking about adaptation, I'm talking about PLOT, the adaptation doesn't change the plot proposal, it just changes the WAY it is executed, so I'm not ashamed to admit that Railgun is better ADAPTED, better EXECUTED than Index , but I disagree with it being better in the plot/proposal itself. Several Index arcs whether in anime or LN are better than the Railgun anime and manga arcs. This is a fact. Index simply has a superior plot BUT only those who know the entire series would know this, because those who only watch the anime don't even try to understand, you just aim for the quality, animation, direction, visuals, rhythm and cinematography not the proposal, the plot itself that the show wants to portray. Come on, seeing a conflict of science vs religion/magic is much more intriguing than seeing a bunch of spoiled ojous from a school fighting with scientists several times, and winning several times with the power of friendship. It's a very repetitive and predictable plot, when the episodes aren't just Fillers eechi that don't add anything to the story as is the case with the first 5 episodes of Railgun. Index on the other hand has no Fillers and even the classic beach and festival episodes have fights, in Railgun, the festivals and beaches are simply fanservice mixed with slice of life where everyone has fun, it doesn't even look like a "Shounen" as you said elsewhere comment. 6 episodes of Railgun and they were all skippable fillers/eechi as they had no continuity, 6 episodes of Index and we had fights, conflicts, a bit of eechi and an unpredictable ending with the protagonist losing his memories. Going beyond the rules of the 3 episodes, which of these at the time actually seemed to have a more interesting plot? Index, of course, didn't even need to be well adapted to make it better here.
Biggest reason Index isn't as good as Railgun to me is the Harem trope of index severally holds down the anime. The pacing also doesn't help either and the story beats feel extremely repetitive. Also from anime perceptive, having a character tel you how unlucky they are over and over while having like 20 girls fawning over you is just kind of ridiculous.
@@YumesukeSutashika lol yeah when a good 60% of your run time is wasted on dumbass tropes its bad someone must like having 20 waifus which is why you wanna cap when you know im right lol
@@1NotN I'm not a fan of waifus, but they still have better writing than most of the Railgun characters, it's ironic that a Railgun fan complains about Index, when their series is pure generic waifus. 🤣🤣🤣
Ya no. I like railgun but the novels for index are straight fire. And someone who has only read wiki summaries shouldn't be hating on the novels because they haven't read them. Besides after the festival arc the railgun manga sadly got really really bad. Wheres the index ln just keeps getting better
You guys aren't helping your argument by babbling about the light novel. I can guarantee you anyone who has this opinion is basing it on the anime alone. This might be a hard pill to swallow, but the Railgun anime is in fact better than the Index anime. Index is severally held down by the fact it's a Harem, which is an annoying ass trope. On top of other Tropes that seem to take up a huge portion of the runtime Index. Plus, the break neck pacing makes all the characters seem forced with expo dumps non-stop, especially during fights. Whereas Railgun has characters just being themselves with a Shōnen style anime. Which is generally more enjoyable to watch than a Harem. Most people don't want to see 20 girls falling over one guy who fights all generally play out the same. I haven't watched Index 3 yet (which most people say is a mess any way) but it literally wasn't until season 3 of Railgun in chronological order in then anime where Toma literally does anything majorly different from all his other fights. Despite those events taking place in index 2 we never see them in that show.
@@1NotN The jokes with Touma tripping over girls are no different than the jokes with Kuroko being perverted towards his Onee-sama or Saten lifting Uiharu's skirt in public. The difference is that in Index it's a man with women, which makes the jokes fit the "harem trope", while Railgun is just women, which makes the joke fit the "Yuri bait" trope. This shouldn't be an aspect that differentiates Railgun from Index and makes it superior, as both still fit into the same annoying fanservice/ecchi category that only the Japanese like. The only difference would be the pacing as you said, the anime cuts 60% of Index's lore, this makes the jokes that should be just comic relief that break a serious atmosphere, become so constant that it gives the impression that Index is more composed of this, "harem jokes" but it's not. Index is not a harem, it is a Battle Shounen and the author is so detailed in the way he describes each action scene that it becomes irritating to have to read paragraphs just describing the brand, model, weight, color and analogy of a weapon that character X is using it during the fight. While the Railgun anime doesn't suffer from this fast pace, therefore its fanservice jokes are not as constant and thus, are easier to ignore. With the exception of the first season, the first Railgun, in addition to having a large percentage of fanservice including eggs and everything, also exaggerated in some aspects, Kuroko in LN is not such an extravagant pervert as to buy aphrodiziacs to induce Mikoto to have relationships with her.
@@maidon-uh2pe lol it's no different you say it like 20 damn girls n for the first two seasons, and it takes up how much runtime. Are you joking, man, you can't be serious. I'm not reading all that when you damn well know it's cap, stop. Bruh compares, a trope that, after the first few episodes of Railgun in cannon, happens for like a second an episode. If it even happens compared to literally every episode being filled with tropes of Touma walks into a girl in awkward position or bathroom. Every girl crushing on him every five minutes. Index biting Touma. like bruh literally tried the but but Kuroko stops its embarrassing. Staten flips up skirt, which takes 3 seconds of dialog. Let's not even include how literally almost every arc plays out exactly the same in first 2 seasons.
@@maidon-uh2pe i got far enough in your rant for you to cry about the source material. Like that helps your argument when we're not talking about the source we are discussing the anime. How they are betrayed the cannon arcs is done better in Railgun. I don't give two craps that you want to cry index LN are better than Railgun because that's not what we're discussing and is not an acceptable crutch for the anime cope.
@@1NotN If you're not going to read what people write, then why even try to debate it? Define harem, what do you consider a harem because Index is not a harem, the fact that it has 20 women does not make it a harem because in Japanese culture the term "waifu" is popular. Look at Fate, it turns several historical/mythological figures into beautiful waifus. And even so, it's not a harem in the sense that Shirou is loved by everyone, is with everyone and everything. After all, Fate is divided into routes and there are spin-offs where Shirou doesn't even appear. Index is almost the same. And the jokes are still the same, just because you can stand one more than the other, doesn't mean they're both not in the same category. Both are fanservice and Railgun has more than a few episodes of this because Kuroko is a Railgun deutagonist, so there is fanservice in almost every damn scene where Kuroko is with his One-sama, just as there are compilations on TH-cam of all the times Saten raised Uiharu's skirt, the first Railgun villain was literally a woman who kept taking off her clothes in public, you also missed the part where I said that Railgun has a whole fanservice ova on the beach. Hell, Railgun even has the flat chest vs small chest trope whenever Mikoto and Misaki are together, that's literally the kind of relationship the two have. Index biting Touma is also no different than Mikoto electrocuting Kuroko after a perverted joke.
@@YumesukeSutashika Get off the anime’s *ick and actually go read the original source material instead of thinking that the freaking wiki would give you all the information you need, you retard.
Nah . Othinus Arc solos all Railgun
The only criticism I have about the LN is how they used Misaka and Misaki in the latest volumes, they're just there because they're popular among fans, they serve no purpose to the story really. But I trust in Kamachi's words that he'll add depth to their character later on in the story.
I know you've prolly heard this a lot already but you should just read the light novels they give a more detailed explanation to the things you mentioned. Although your point on angel fall and that transforming mage is valid, but index doesn't really have a good adaptation for its series compared to the spin offs, most likely because the story isn't simple to grasp unless you do prior research on some topics. You made some amazing points and i mostly agree anime wise. 👍
I've tried. Wasn't a fan.
@@YumesukeSutashika Well that’s a shame. But since you didn’t like it I’d recommend you drop the series while your still at it no point of reading it if your not interested, it not for everyone after all but I hope this won’t make you hate the series because it’s popular in Japan for reason it even just won some awards. Anyways though just drop it if your not interested no point in wasting your time 👍🏿
@@YumesukeSutashikahow?
@@YumesukeSutashikaThen you dont have the right to say one is better than the other since you dont have the attention span to read rather than watch a mid adaptation
I think you didn't get the point of some arcs. Deep blood arc was more about how touma was dealing with his memory crisis and him being a foil to Izzard. Touma could've ended up like izzard if he couldn't save index.
And gabriel isn't evil in the angel fall arc. It was stated that angels have no free will and will do god absolute bidding. She only gained desire when she was removed from heaven and wishes to return. There were only two ways to do that. Either kill the one that summoned Gabriel or destroy the altar. Gabriel chose the most efficient.
Also you totally miss the point of Enzali. He was send by his cabal to investigate if Touma is a threat to the magic side. Enzali was there to do his job. Not because he was evil.
Sherry attacked academy not because she is EVIL but because she lost all hope that science and magic can not coexist together cuz of trauma of losing a friend. She loathe both sides.
I respect your opinion and you don't have to like index but please give at least a full analysis. You missed some crucial points that makes sense and are important to the plot and his characters
You didn't get the point of this video
@@YumesukeSutashikaNah, I think he did and you’re just retarded. I also love how you said I sucked at arguing when your only argument is “Nuh-uh ☝️”
Nuh uh, I canonically slept when I watched Railgun ss1 (all of it), Railgun ss2 carried by the sisters arc, the only arc where Misaka was a good character (still got half of it carried by Accelerator and Touma). THE BEST ARC IS A FREAKING INDEX ARC (of course I acknowledge that it's better in Railgun, but still).
Railgun T again, got carried by Touma and Gunha (doppelganger arc was for Misaka to showoff, nothing more).
Basically the formula was like this: Touma = good, Misaka = meh (and WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE THE FLASHBACK ARC IN THE MANGA, HOLY HELL IT WAS THE MOST POWERFUL SLEEPING POWDER EVER!)
Also WW3 arc solos all of Railgun (my boy Fiamma and Hamazura is so peak), even OT2 solos most of it (because Sisters arc exists obviously). OT2 is extremely underrated, why ya ask? FREAKING JC STAFF RUINED THAT, HELLA NO OT2 AND OT4 INCIDENT IS HAUNTING ME RGAHHHHHHHH!H!H!!!!!.
Index ss1 in anime should be like this: OT1 - OT4: Peak fiction, the four horsemen of starter arc, the 4 arcs that made index a horror Light Novel instead of a battle fantasy (it was never just battle fantasy to begin with). AND NO MORE, CAUSE IT SHOULD BE 6 EPISODES PER ARC.
Basically? This vid is comparing 1% of Index power to 120% of what Railgun is capable of, that's basically it.
No disrespect of course, I respect everyone's taste (unless it cross my line), especially Toaru fans in general, but again, ya shouldn't downplay Index like this, like Holy hell I was having TROUBLE telling people to freaking get into the series (Index), I'm glad that probably only Toaru fans watch this vid, if not, it would've been HELL. Anyways, have a nice day.
No offense, I respect your opinion and you as a person and railgun is a good spin off, but you clearly haven’t read the index LNs because the anime did a crap job at adapting the Peakneas that is the Toaru LNs, and left out a lot of important details. And there’s even the fact that the LN is still going and it keeps getting better and better.
Edit: Also because of how bad the anime was, you got a lot of information wrong about index.
I've read some of the LN's and I've read the LN summaries for the arcs. From what I've gathered, the LN fans just use "the anime is bad" as a blanket excuse to avoid any criticism towards the story. What did the LN have that would change anything that I mentioned in this video?
Were there villains more sympathetic? Were the new concepts for each arc more interesting? Were the villains better tied to the new concept?
@@YumesukeSutashika ???? Idk how much of you read or where you read summaries or why you think reading summaries is a good idea at all, but yes to literally every single one of your questions. And to answer your question what the anime changed well it skipped over fights, character arcs, explaining the magic system better, skipped a lot of important details in the story, etc.
Also didn’t you say in another comment that you tried to read but never finished, so why would you say that spin off was better when you didn’t even finish the original series?
@@joshuapatterson8269 This is what I'm talking about. You didn't give any specific examples addressing the specific problems I mentioned. You just gave a blanket "yes" and I'm supposed to believe you? Then you followed up with "it skipped over fights, character arcs, explaining the magic system better, skipped a lot of important details in the story," none of which were complaints I had about the story. If you expect me to believe you, then you need to give specific examples that are relevant to the problems I mentioned.
Your logic in the last question makes no sense. I watched 3 seasons of Index and 3 seasons of Railgun. I finished what was in the anime and cross referenced my problems with the source material to leave no room for excuses by LN fans. I don't see the confusion.
And when I said "summary," I meant the wiki's breakdown of the arcs. For example, Angel Fall has a 23 paragraph summary of the light novel's arc. That's more than enough detail.
@@YumesukeSutashika Ok you want to be specific here you go, The first volume for the most part is actually adapted quite well though it does skip over touma’s inner thoughts which is VERY important to his character throughout the whole series, because we see his thoughts and feelings on situations, for instance he’s in this constant struggle with trying to find a way to save index because he’s tired of feeling powerless and tired of just being “the misfortunate one”, and IB gets in the way of that, and is why he’s so unfortunate in the first place. The second volume/arc is where things fall off, because we don’t get to hear toumas inner thoughts we can’t sympathize with him as a character because it just makes him look like the same of person he was before he lost his memories, which is NOT true, Biohacher(a volume that takes place before he meets index) pushes that point home even further. So throughout the volume and OT as whole he’s trying to act like how previous touma would act and has a whole identity crisis about it. We also get another important part of Toumas character is when he meets one of the students who starts to do a magic spell but slowly starts dying because she’s an esper and espers aren’t allowed to use magic.
Touma has a inner monologue about rather he should save her or not because he’s being chased and saving her would put him at a risk of being killed but he ends up trying to save her anyway, realizing that he can’t leave someone in danger if he can help them. We also get a rushed version of himegamis backstory and how she felt guilty due to her having Deep blood and killing everyone in her village unintentionally because of it, and why she chooses to izzard because she thinks he can help her with her ability. And we run into our first skipped character Dummy (Fake) Izzard whose ability turns whatever is darts in into gold and explodes, and skipped fight scene between him and styil and touma. When touma fights izzard, izzard kills the girl touma saves which makes him rage and nearly kills him, but ends up sparring him. This is where we learn where touma gets his “no killing rule” and it’s again another important part of his character.
Y’know if you want to experience the changes yourself you should really just go read the novels, and again it’s really laughable how you think reading the wiki is somehow is going to give you all the knowledge that you need. Like do you know how stupid that is? Go actually read peak fiction, there’s a reason why it was the number # 1 series for so long and why it’s so popular in Japan.
@@joshuapatterson8269 Your arguments just deteriorate the longer you type. I asked you for information RELEVANT to the video, and just in case you were too lazy to actually rewatch the video, I spelled it out for you.
I said: "Were there villains more sympathetic? Were the new concepts for each arc more interesting? Were the villains better tied to the new concept?"
And what did you do? You decided to write a wall of text about Touma's inner thoughts that are skipped in the anime. Nonsense like this just supports my theory that you LN fans are just delusional crybabies. Nothing you said was relevant to my complaints and I predicted this would happen. I said "the LN fans just use "the anime is bad" as a blanket excuse to avoid any criticism towards the story. " I said "You just gave a blanket "yes" and I'm supposed to believe you?" And then you give your proof, it shows that you lied with the blanket "yes." You proved me right, buddy.
"you think reading the wiki is somehow is going to give you all the knowledge that you need." For the complaints that I had, the wiki gave me the knowledge that I needed and you have not been able to prove otherwise. Do you really how stupid it is to argue that a story being popular makes it good? Either listen to the arguments I'm actually making, or take that crybaby LN fan activity somewhere else.
This video does have a good point, i would also say some other things for example index has the sisters arc aswell as railgun, but in railgun the arc carrys more impact from all the efforts we have seen mikoto do and mikoto is just a better protaganist for that arc as we get alot more details we cant with touma since he came in very late into the arc, and also has some really good figths missing from index, and there some more obious stuff like yeah railgun has better animation and all that there some other things aswell like the fact magic isnt even all that well explained and harder to understand than science at times so the science thems and plots can seem more fleshed out and intresting, altho i personally still enoy some of the powers in index and stuff i feel thats because of my background which gives me a understanding that makes em really cool, altho i can say the same for science and usally happens more too.
Interesting that you mention the magic because I have a video on that too.
@@YumesukeSutashika the one on idol theory? If it's that one, yeah while there are magians which don't make completely all that much sense with idol theory especially in the anime I do like when they are done well I really like stuff like Terras power and how it works very well with idol theory
Nuh uh
Eh. I like them both, I don't compare them as if they were separate pieces, I consider them both a whole as holicism says, which out of curiosity is one of the concepts covered in the series. Of course, Railgun has a better production level than Index, but Index makes up for it with a better plot.
How I wish I could speak English to understand your points. Anyway, I'm just going to do Nah, Railgun can't even be the best spin-off, there's no way it can be better than Index . Index >>> abyss >>>> Dark Matter >>>> ITEM >>>>> Astral Buddy >>>> Railgun >>>>> Mental Out >>>> and Accelerator for now. Waiting for the spin-off of a certain scientific Guts.
It doesn't even make sense to compare Index with Railgun to begin with, half of Railgun's arcs are fillers, the manga didn't have enough material at the time. But if you really want to compare them in terms of plot, well... the 1st season of Railgun is completely forgettable, the first 5 episodes are pure annoying fanservice, it was only later that the anime really had a story to tell, with 3 arcs that aren't bad, but aren't remarkable compared to Sisters or Daihaseen and I'll get to that in a moment. The only memorable arc of Railgun season 1 would be Level Upper, but only if you read the Index as the message of that arc will have a completely different meaning. With this, only the first arc of Index with Kamijou Touma losing his memories becomes more memorable and emotional than the entire first season of Railgun. Dark Matter being a One-Shoot with 5 chapters is better than the first season of Railgun. From here, Railgun has a disappointing pace, in the sense that it starts its season with good arcs but ends the season with average arcs. Railgun S is only well praised because of the Sisters Arc, no one cares much about the Febril Arc which is also a filler. Same thing with Railgun T, it started full steam ahead with the Daihaseen arc, but ended only ok because of the Dopperganger fanservice arc. And the manga is like that too, we have the Jailbreaker arc which, although it has plot holes and some exaggerations, is ok too but the next arc is simply the second worst arc in the entire Toaru series, second only to the Nectar arc spin-off's Accelerator.
Anyway, 3 seasons and around 20 volumes of Railgun and only 2 arcs can be considered truly incredible. One of them is even an original arc from Index, the Sisters arc that only became better executed in Railgun because to time. Kamachi wrote Index while still in high school, Railgun came out 5 years later, in that time, it's clear that the author would evolve in terms of person and writing, it's not even fair to compare Sisters written in 2004 with Sisters rewritten in 2009. Even at the same time he was rewriting Sisters in Railgun, Kamachi was starting the 3rd world war in Index, an arc with much more weight and impact than Sisters, simply a symbolic arc to end the old testament as the narrative as a whole would leave the it was Osiris and would begin a new stage, both sides: Science and magic would abandon the status quo and everything... the End of the Old Testament and the beginning of the New Testament was the culmination of Toaru, 60 volumes and I can name several arcs which are better than the entire Railgun, highlighting the Othinus arc that made the series reach an unforgettable milestone, first place for best Light Novel of 2011, something never achieved with any of the spin-offs. And Misaka herself has more development in Index than in her own Spin-off series.
That's what I wanted to say. Now speaking my personal opinion. Railgun is just a candy, Index is the entire box. There is no comparison, even if that single candy is tasty, it's not worth throwing away all the others for it. Eating the others I would easily forget about it, as a set is worth more than just one unit. I love Railgun, but only for a fun slice of life because it doesn't have an engaging narrative and its arcs are predictable, it always ends with a happy or bittersweet ending, the dangers that each arc demonstrates are only at street level, that's why the real villains will never appear in Railgun. Railgun Only shows a part of the giant and wonderful world that Index has. Between a part or all of the parts, I prefer them all. And if we look at Mental Out and Astral buddy too, Railgun becomes nauseating as they would be 3 spin-offs completely devoted to showing the daily lives of Tokidawaii girls fighting the dark side. Much of this becomes boring, uninteresting, predictable... that's why the new ITEM Spin-off is hype, its focus is to show step by step how the dark side works with a cast of characters completely on the dark side. But what makes the Toaru series incredible in my opinion is not the science side and it is not the magic side, although it is the magic side that makes the world building fantastic, but not one, it's both sides, the way Kamachi interconnects science and magic, the way there is conflict and the way there is interaction between them is the best thing. The phrase: "when science and magic intersect, history begins" couldn't be better. And we see all of this in the Index.
That said, Aleister Crowley > Railgun. The influence that Aleister and Thelema have on the entire narrative, power system and character writing of Toaru is incredibly well written, for me the best thing in the Toaru Series.
No one is reading all that, but I can tell you based on your first few sentences this is cap outside of filler which anyone could just skip. Railgun anime is superior to index. That is a fact you guys are basing these opinions on LN which doesn't help the anime at all.
@@1NotN Well, I was comparing the plot of both not the adaptation. Also why do they only target Railgun? The series has 5 other spin-offs but why do they only try to argue that Railgun is better than Index? Simple, because of the anime, after all it was what the majority consumed, unlike fans of Toaru itself who consumed everything in the franchise: all the spin-offs manga, SS and LN, so here it is undeniable that we have a broader view of things than fans who only saw Railgun and Index anime right?. Well, anyone who consumes the Toaru series itself knows that the Index is poorly adapted, so wanting to use the anime as an argument to say that one of the 6 spin-offs is better than the main series seems like a very desperate act to downgrade the main series, to say that the one you like is better than the one you don't like. No one is denying that ANIME railgun is better than ANIME Index, Every Toaru fan knows this, we just disagree regarding the source material. Almost every Railgun fan is a gangstar when talking about the adaptation, but almost none of them picked up the Railgun manga to read like us, the Toaru fans themselves, because if they did, they would know that Railgun isn't even the best spin-off to begin with conversation and his current flashback arc is horrible. This is a fact .
@@sotrabalho_com_argumentos6108 because we are talking about the anime, which has a grand total of two spin-offs outside the movie. The first of which literally came out only 1 year after index aired. You guys raging and babbling about the LN doesn't change anything ject because you just seem to purposely miss the point. People who think railgun is better are obviously talking about the anime alone. Crying to me that index LN i never plan on reading is better is a moot point. I can't visualize text the way you can. 90% of what they would be saying or discussing without a physical picture to visualize. Would fly over my head, I'm not a reader. I couldn't care less when im obv discussing this from an anime only perspective alone.
And btw, this video is also only talking about the anime. So you're literally just irrelevantly ranting about the source material. Just because you can't cope with any daring to say that the spin-off anime is better than the main series before you go off on another ridiculous tangent
@@1NotN You won't even read it...
That's why I said I would like to understand English to watch the video. But that doesn't matter, I talked about the plot of both, if you read my first comment you would know that I mentioned that half of Railgun is filler, so my arguments consist of the plot of both the original material and the ANIME Railgun with its original arcs. And based on the plot, I say it clearly: Railgun is not better than Index, it is not even the best spin-off. The only arcs in which Railgun stands out are Sisters and Daihaseen, otherwise they are all average and forgettable arcs, whether they are fillers from the anime or arcs from the manga itself, it doesn't matter, they are still average arcs compared to Index. I say again, I'm not talking about adaptation, I'm talking about PLOT, the adaptation doesn't change the plot proposal, it just changes the WAY it is executed, so I'm not ashamed to admit that Railgun is better ADAPTED, better EXECUTED than Index , but I disagree with it being better in the plot/proposal itself. Several Index arcs whether in anime or LN are better than the Railgun anime and manga arcs. This is a fact. Index simply has a superior plot BUT only those who know the entire series would know this, because those who only watch the anime don't even try to understand, you just aim for the quality, animation, direction, visuals, rhythm and cinematography not the proposal, the plot itself that the show wants to portray. Come on, seeing a conflict of science vs religion/magic is much more intriguing than seeing a bunch of spoiled ojous from a school fighting with scientists several times, and winning several times with the power of friendship. It's a very repetitive and predictable plot, when the episodes aren't just Fillers eechi that don't add anything to the story as is the case with the first 5 episodes of Railgun. Index on the other hand has no Fillers and even the classic beach and festival episodes have fights, in Railgun, the festivals and beaches are simply fanservice mixed with slice of life where everyone has fun, it doesn't even look like a "Shounen" as you said elsewhere comment.
6 episodes of Railgun and they were all skippable fillers/eechi as they had no continuity, 6 episodes of Index and we had fights, conflicts, a bit of eechi and an unpredictable ending with the protagonist losing his memories. Going beyond the rules of the 3 episodes, which of these at the time actually seemed to have a more interesting plot? Index, of course, didn't even need to be well adapted to make it better here.
Biggest reason Index isn't as good as Railgun to me is the Harem trope of index severally holds down the anime. The pacing also doesn't help either and the story beats feel extremely repetitive. Also from anime perceptive, having a character tel you how unlucky they are over and over while having like 20 girls fawning over you is just kind of ridiculous.
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@@YumesukeSutashika lol yeah when a good 60% of your run time is wasted on dumbass tropes its bad someone must like having 20 waifus which is why you wanna cap when you know im right lol
You don't know what you're talking about. 😂😂😂
@@koishikomeiji1476 i do you just LN fans or clowns capping for your 20 waifus
@@1NotN I'm not a fan of waifus, but they still have better writing than most of the Railgun characters, it's ironic that a Railgun fan complains about Index, when their series is pure generic waifus. 🤣🤣🤣
Ya no. I like railgun but the novels for index are straight fire. And someone who has only read wiki summaries shouldn't be hating on the novels because they haven't read them. Besides after the festival arc the railgun manga sadly got really really bad. Wheres the index ln just keeps getting better
You guys aren't helping your argument by babbling about the light novel. I can guarantee you anyone who has this opinion is basing it on the anime alone. This might be a hard pill to swallow, but the Railgun anime is in fact better than the Index anime. Index is severally held down by the fact it's a Harem, which is an annoying ass trope. On top of other Tropes that seem to take up a huge portion of the runtime Index. Plus, the break neck pacing makes all the characters seem forced with expo dumps non-stop, especially during fights. Whereas Railgun has characters just being themselves with a Shōnen style anime. Which is generally more enjoyable to watch than a Harem. Most people don't want to see 20 girls falling over one guy who fights all generally play out the same. I haven't watched Index 3 yet (which most people say is a mess any way) but it literally wasn't until season 3 of Railgun in chronological order in then anime where Toma literally does anything majorly different from all his other fights. Despite those events taking place in index 2 we never see them in that show.
@@1NotN The jokes with Touma tripping over girls are no different than the jokes with Kuroko being perverted towards his Onee-sama or Saten lifting Uiharu's skirt in public. The difference is that in Index it's a man with women, which makes the jokes fit the "harem trope", while Railgun is just women, which makes the joke fit the "Yuri bait" trope. This shouldn't be an aspect that differentiates Railgun from Index and makes it superior, as both still fit into the same annoying fanservice/ecchi category that only the Japanese like. The only difference would be the pacing as you said, the anime cuts 60% of Index's lore, this makes the jokes that should be just comic relief that break a serious atmosphere, become so constant that it gives the impression that Index is more composed of this, "harem jokes" but it's not. Index is not a harem, it is a Battle Shounen and the author is so detailed in the way he describes each action scene that it becomes irritating to have to read paragraphs just describing the brand, model, weight, color and analogy of a weapon that character X is using it during the fight. While the Railgun anime doesn't suffer from this fast pace, therefore its fanservice jokes are not as constant and thus, are easier to ignore. With the exception of the first season, the first Railgun, in addition to having a large percentage of fanservice including eggs and everything, also exaggerated in some aspects, Kuroko in LN is not such an extravagant pervert as to buy aphrodiziacs to induce Mikoto to have relationships with her.
@@maidon-uh2pe lol it's no different you say it like 20 damn girls n for the first two seasons, and it takes up how much runtime. Are you joking, man, you can't be serious. I'm not reading all that when you damn well know it's cap, stop. Bruh compares, a trope that, after the first few episodes of Railgun in cannon, happens for like a second an episode. If it even happens compared to literally every episode being filled with tropes of Touma walks into a girl in awkward position or bathroom. Every girl crushing on him every five minutes. Index biting Touma. like bruh literally tried the but but Kuroko stops its embarrassing. Staten flips up skirt, which takes 3 seconds of dialog. Let's not even include how literally almost every arc plays out exactly the same in first 2 seasons.
@@maidon-uh2pe i got far enough in your rant for you to cry about the source material. Like that helps your argument when we're not talking about the source we are discussing the anime. How they are betrayed the cannon arcs is done better in Railgun. I don't give two craps that you want to cry index LN are better than Railgun because that's not what we're discussing and is not an acceptable crutch for the anime cope.
@@1NotN If you're not going to read what people write, then why even try to debate it? Define harem, what do you consider a harem because Index is not a harem, the fact that it has 20 women does not make it a harem because in Japanese culture the term "waifu" is popular. Look at Fate, it turns several historical/mythological figures into beautiful waifus. And even so, it's not a harem in the sense that Shirou is loved by everyone, is with everyone and everything. After all, Fate is divided into routes and there are spin-offs where Shirou doesn't even appear. Index is almost the same.
And the jokes are still the same, just because you can stand one more than the other, doesn't mean they're both not in the same category. Both are fanservice and Railgun has more than a few episodes of this because Kuroko is a Railgun deutagonist, so there is fanservice in almost every damn scene where Kuroko is with his One-sama, just as there are compilations on TH-cam of all the times Saten raised Uiharu's skirt, the first Railgun villain was literally a woman who kept taking off her clothes in public, you also missed the part where I said that Railgun has a whole fanservice ova on the beach. Hell, Railgun even has the flat chest vs small chest trope whenever Mikoto and Misaki are together, that's literally the kind of relationship the two have. Index biting Touma is also no different than Mikoto electrocuting Kuroko after a perverted joke.
Both suck in anime but novel and manga they are perfect
Get off the novel's dick
@@YumesukeSutashika💀😭 Chill
@@YumesukeSutashika Get off the anime’s *ick and actually go read the original source material instead of thinking that the freaking wiki would give you all the information you need, you retard.
@@YumesukeSutashika the novels dick deserves to be ridden
@@YumesukeSutashikayou’re literally reviewing the most lesser form of index
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