100% agree that CMON should give us more lore/theme wherever possible. the biggest thing for me is the lack of a "congrats, you beat the big bad" scenario epilogue. some folks on bgg wrote a few for Hellboy a while back, and i would love to see CMON do that for CDMD. (i would also love to see an official campaign mode implemented.) regarding the ancient one showdown taking too long: i'm not sure, but that may have something to do with using only two investigators. most of the games we play have been 4 or 5 players, and by the time we square off with the big nasty, we're rolling a billion dice and doing 5+ damage per swing. so it might be a player count imbalance -- maybe they could scale the ancient one's health like other games do. overall, i'm with you: i love this game. want more of it. can't wait for the upcoming KS. :)
Great revisit, thanks Daniel! I've played it a couple of times and certainly like the game, but I shan't get it. The main reason is that I have so many games with so many plastic minis already. I happily paint minis and I have enough to keep me busy with painting for the next couple of years(!). So my hope is that publishers of games with minis will also offer alternative versions with standees that remove the need to paint and also mean there is a little less plastic in the world, whilst keeping the minis for those who really want them.
I'm so glad I was able to pick up a copy of the core box at retail recently after waiting over a year for it to come back in stock! I agree with you about the flavor text - honestly, with as much knowledge as you have about genre fiction, you should approach CMON with your ideas and see what they say! With the new Kickstarter coming up, they might actually respond to criticism.
Played Arkham Horror 2nd edition yesterday. It used to be one of my favorite games but after playing it (and being devoured of course) it just solidified that Death May Die is a much more refined and enjoyable experiance. I do agree that CMON always hints at a fantastic world without ever fleshing it out. The Others is a great example of this.
DMD was one of the first games I bought when I started my collection in 2020, but I didn't actually open it and punch out the cardboard till August of this year! I regret not playing it earlier, because my group has such a blast! definitely going for the next KS
I’ve recently picked up everything released to retail for this game, and I have to say I absolutely love it. So much fun, even in losing - so many games come down to the wire. My favorite bit so far was Father Luke in the Nameless Woods taking a chainsaw to Dark Spawn and Nightgaunts.
I absolutely haven’t had this game off of my table in the past 3 years’ I’m absolutely a fan’ Season 2 has me hooked’ I am looking forward to Season 3 stand alone’
One element that I really enjoyed in the original Mansions of Madness were the physical puzzles. They weren't super hard, but I liked that they involved the players' brains instead of just a die roll. Perhaps some sort of puzzle like this would allow you to get a bonus in the final battle. You could pick up clues along the way to change the difficulty. Even a dexterity challenge might work.
I effing love DMD, it's the game that really got me into board games. I got it mostly for the minis, particularly that giant Cthulhu, but the game is just so good I haven't ever really stopped playing it Every scenario is fun and exciting, with the exception of the scenario that utilizes the giant Cthulhu which was really poorly designed and not fun. All of the others are great particularly one KS exclusive where the characters run around the Maine woods strapping dynamite to moose so they can get apprehended by a UFO and explode the ship
I definitely would love to see more lore with this, when Warhammer 40k came out, when I didn't have a chance to play, I loved just reading the rule book, I was glad you posted this video, I was thinking about playing DMD today, you helped me decide 😊
I love this game too. If you want to sum it up, look at the ffg playmat where 4 investigators are in a car. This is what come to my mind when I think of Cthulhu death May Die. 4 investigators ready to deal with cultists and an Ancient.
Great video, thanks! If I had more space for games, I’d be tempted to get this. But as things are, I just can’t. But always nice to hear about good games 👍😁
Glad you said what I was thinking regarding the new KS. As someone that owns everything from the first KS, I don't feel like I need *more* - it's already an insane (natch) amount of content that I've barely scratched. I was also rather hesitant on the game when it was first pitched, but I think that pulp/action take on the theme really changes everything.
I’m going to check out the season 3. Not sure if I’m backing yet. It will depend on costs. With shipping & VAT the total cost can end up very expensive. That said I know stretch goals with cmon can be very tempting. I have season 1 & 2 bought from retail. It’s more than enough and I don’t miss the KS extras. So I know it’s not the end of the world if I skip the KS campaign. I know it’s a good game because on the rare times we win it feels like such a big achievement.
This game is really a no brainer. it is a very good arcadish game for me when you just want to have fun and throw some dice. Pure fun from start to finish
I really enjoyed this game but after completing season 1, I painted it and then sold it on. At the time space was at a premium. Now I am in the process of setting up a dedicated game room, I am considering getting another copy. I don't think I will go for the season 3 box but let's see what is on offer? I will probably look for a painted copy as I still have flashbacks of painting all those tentacles!?
I missed the first Kickstarter for this game and it’s always been on my radar. I’m usually all-in on all games. I decided to have some restraint and only get the boxes of the same size, for storage and organization purposes. This includes base game, season 2, unspeakable box, season 3, season 4, and the unknowable box. I know this doesn’t seem like I’m exhibiting *that* much self-control, but it is for me. The only me would track down every single bit of content and pay all the eBay prices, AND dropped $180 more for R’lyeh Rising (and would only play it one time max). 😊 Although… I’m a pet lover and will not be able to resist Animal Allies. 😅
Great vid Daniel! Really like the "re-visit" format (these games are all so pricey, and its nice to see how they "age") - also wondering if CMON, or someone on BGG could develop a BIG BAD expansion, making it more tactical? deck of cards & battle board in vary the "programming"
I have read most of the original Mythos stories but I could use some lore information on every card or box just as a reminder to get me in the right mood at the start of the game. Also, not everyone has the same knowledge about all that and if you want to find new players to play with they may know nothing about the Mythos.
Great review. I agree that the end can be a slog, like a lot of the FFG Arkham games. One issue I have you didn't mention is that the difficulty of the insanity conditions can vary wildly and can make the game less fun. I also don't know if I will back the new KS, because I haven't played with all the stuff from the first one. I kind of wish there were just smaller expansions like more episodes or elder ones. I certainly don't need any more characters.
This game is in my top 5 of all time best. I agree that they dropped the ball on not having any lore for the Elder one's. Part of what drew me into the game is my love of the Mytho stories. My only ywo complaints are this. First the elder ones should show up randomly not predetermined. That's easily fixed doing a house rule of rolling q D3 for the gates. Second i was really disappointed in the rule book. It was very vague and the missions didn't say what did and didn't count as an action. I had to look it up online. It's still one of my most favorite games.
Thx for this revisit! I'll be sure to get on board for the next kickstarter! I'm surprise considering your opinion about Zombicide! I thought this game was a kind of Chtulhu rethemed Zombicide. But after watching your review, their is a lot more story and narrative direction than in Zombicide. Thats a shame about the context, because as you say everything is in free domain ! Do you know if during the kickstarter it will be possible to get Season 1 and 2 ? By the way, did you play Season 2 and, if so, did you consider it as something that's necessary or is there enough to play a lot of game just with season 1 ?
As i play solo id love these games more if they did a standee version, everything they have made for this game would fit in one box then as well, i dont need a room full off minis.
@@TheDungeonDive Just found the Core S1 + S2 + Black goat at my locaL store, plus now that the new campaign has giant Cthulhu and the stretch goal box from Season 1&2 available I'm planning on jumping in. Just re-watched this vid and your original one and your MoM 2nd review... I understand the differences, but between the games which do you yourself like more?
12:33 I agree 100%.
Lore is something of great importance about those kind of games.
100% agree that CMON should give us more lore/theme wherever possible. the biggest thing for me is the lack of a "congrats, you beat the big bad" scenario epilogue. some folks on bgg wrote a few for Hellboy a while back, and i would love to see CMON do that for CDMD. (i would also love to see an official campaign mode implemented.)
regarding the ancient one showdown taking too long: i'm not sure, but that may have something to do with using only two investigators. most of the games we play have been 4 or 5 players, and by the time we square off with the big nasty, we're rolling a billion dice and doing 5+ damage per swing. so it might be a player count imbalance -- maybe they could scale the ancient one's health like other games do.
overall, i'm with you: i love this game. want more of it. can't wait for the upcoming KS. :)
Spiral out 🤘🤘🤘
This game needs "Book of Death" like in Escape the Dark Castle/Sector.
Here to the Tool stuff😂 and DMD
Great revisit, thanks Daniel! I've played it a couple of times and certainly like the game, but I shan't get it. The main reason is that I have so many games with so many plastic minis already. I happily paint minis and I have enough to keep me busy with painting for the next couple of years(!). So my hope is that publishers of games with minis will also offer alternative versions with standees that remove the need to paint and also mean there is a little less plastic in the world, whilst keeping the minis for those who really want them.
I'm so glad I was able to pick up a copy of the core box at retail recently after waiting over a year for it to come back in stock! I agree with you about the flavor text - honestly, with as much knowledge as you have about genre fiction, you should approach CMON with your ideas and see what they say! With the new Kickstarter coming up, they might actually respond to criticism.
Your comment about no additional trips to the game box or another deck of sorted cards immediately made me think of Oathsworn.
Played Arkham Horror 2nd edition yesterday. It used to be one of my favorite games but after playing it (and being devoured of course) it just solidified that Death May Die is a much more refined and enjoyable experiance.
I do agree that CMON always hints at a fantastic world without ever fleshing it out. The Others is a great example of this.
Thanks Daniel you’re so good at videos like this, a game you love but you still balance out the review.
Such a fun game. The good plays of this come down to the wire and involve everyone standing up around the table for the final dice roll.
I love a good stand-up dice roll. :)
Love this game! Thanks for revisiting it!!
DMD was one of the first games I bought when I started my collection in 2020, but I didn't actually open it and punch out the cardboard till August of this year! I regret not playing it earlier, because my group has such a blast! definitely going for the next KS
I’ve recently picked up everything released to retail for this game, and I have to say I absolutely love it. So much fun, even in losing - so many games come down to the wire. My favorite bit so far was Father Luke in the Nameless Woods taking a chainsaw to Dark Spawn and Nightgaunts.
It really is a fun time!
I absolutely haven’t had this game off of my table in the past 3 years’
I’m absolutely a fan’
Season 2 has me hooked’
I am looking forward to Season 3 stand alone’
One element that I really enjoyed in the original Mansions of Madness were the physical puzzles. They weren't super hard, but I liked that they involved the players' brains instead of just a die roll. Perhaps some sort of puzzle like this would allow you to get a bonus in the final battle. You could pick up clues along the way to change the difficulty. Even a dexterity challenge might work.
I effing love DMD, it's the game that really got me into board games. I got it mostly for the minis, particularly that giant Cthulhu, but the game is just so good I haven't ever really stopped playing it
Every scenario is fun and exciting, with the exception of the scenario that utilizes the giant Cthulhu which was really poorly designed and not fun. All of the others are great particularly one KS exclusive where the characters run around the Maine woods strapping dynamite to moose so they can get apprehended by a UFO and explode the ship
I definitely would love to see more lore with this, when Warhammer 40k came out, when I didn't have a chance to play, I loved just reading the rule book, I was glad you posted this video, I was thinking about playing DMD today, you helped me decide 😊
I love this game too. If you want to sum it up, look at the ffg playmat where 4 investigators are in a car. This is what come to my mind when I think of Cthulhu death May Die. 4 investigators ready to deal with cultists and an Ancient.
Great take on a great game! Thanks for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I am on the fence on getting season 3 as I am running out of space. But the new upcoming scenarios might be worth it
Time to add on to the house.
Sell your euro games :P
Great video, thanks! If I had more space for games, I’d be tempted to get this. But as things are, I just can’t. But always nice to hear about good games 👍😁
I totally hear that, and I'll be discussing that exact issue in a video coming this week!
Glad you said what I was thinking regarding the new KS. As someone that owns everything from the first KS, I don't feel like I need *more* - it's already an insane (natch) amount of content that I've barely scratched. I was also rather hesitant on the game when it was first pitched, but I think that pulp/action take on the theme really changes everything.
I’m going to check out the season 3. Not sure if I’m backing yet. It will depend on costs. With shipping & VAT the total cost can end up very expensive. That said I know stretch goals with cmon can be very tempting. I have season 1 & 2 bought from retail. It’s more than enough and I don’t miss the KS extras. So I know it’s not the end of the world if I skip the KS campaign. I know it’s a good game because on the rare times we win it feels like such a big achievement.
This game is really a no brainer. it is a very good arcadish game for me when you just want to have fun and throw some dice. Pure fun from start to finish
Arcadish - yes. That's a perfect description.
I really enjoyed this game but after completing season 1, I painted it and then sold it on. At the time space was at a premium. Now I am in the process of setting up a dedicated game room, I am considering getting another copy. I don't think I will go for the season 3 box but let's see what is on offer? I will probably look for a painted copy as I still have flashbacks of painting all those tentacles!?
Daniel, if you are a Warhammer 40k lore fan, you may want to use the Constantin Valdor mini to represent The King in Yellow. 😅
1000% agree about going the extra mile
I missed the first Kickstarter for this game and it’s always been on my radar.
I’m usually all-in on all games. I decided to have some restraint and only get the boxes of the same size, for storage and organization purposes. This includes base game, season 2, unspeakable box, season 3, season 4, and the unknowable box.
I know this doesn’t seem like I’m exhibiting *that* much self-control, but it is for me. The only me would track down every single bit of content and pay all the eBay prices, AND dropped $180 more for R’lyeh Rising (and would only play it one time max). 😊
Although… I’m a pet lover and will not be able to resist Animal Allies. 😅
That’s so much game! :) enjoy.
Great vid Daniel! Really like the "re-visit" format (these games are all so pricey, and its nice to see how they "age") - also wondering if CMON, or someone on BGG could develop a BIG BAD expansion, making it more tactical? deck of cards & battle board in vary the "programming"
I would love an expansion like that. The Elder Sign dice game has a small expansion that makes the final battles way more fun.
The thing about Cthulhu lore is, those who care to know probably already do, or at least know how to freely get it.
While that might be true, it’s not a good excuse for a designer skimping out on a crucial element of a thematic game.
Oh yeah, there's a bunch of TH-cam channels that do a good job of readung the entire source material like an audiobook.
I have read most of the original Mythos stories but I could use some lore information on every card or box just as a reminder to get me in the right mood at the start of the game.
Also, not everyone has the same knowledge about all that and if you want to find new players to play with they may know nothing about the Mythos.
@Haris Zark - totally agree. It also shows that the developers care about what they are making.
It looks like the artbook is where they put the God & creature lore.
They had me at ensorcelled (which was mispellled, but no less charming).
Great review. I agree that the end can be a slog, like a lot of the FFG Arkham games. One issue I have you didn't mention is that the difficulty of the insanity conditions can vary wildly and can make the game less fun. I also don't know if I will back the new KS, because I haven't played with all the stuff from the first one. I kind of wish there were just smaller expansions like more episodes or elder ones. I certainly don't need any more characters.
One of my favorite games. Still a big fan of A Touch of Evil, Deep Madness, and the Arkham file games, but CDMD is peak design with the fewest flaws
Tommy gun wielding robed figures! Whoa! Haha
Those are so cool. :)
This game is in my top 5 of all time best. I agree that they dropped the ball on not having any lore for the Elder one's. Part of what drew me into the game is my love of the Mytho stories. My only ywo complaints are this. First the elder ones should show up randomly not predetermined. That's easily fixed doing a house rule of rolling q D3 for the gates. Second i was really disappointed in the rule book. It was very vague and the missions didn't say what did and didn't count as an action. I had to look it up online. It's still one of my most favorite games.
It’s great!
The question isn’t whether I’m going all in or not. The question is what am I selling to make room for it. 😅
Really cool camera setup and movement. What were you using?
This is just an iPhone and an articulated boom.
Great video…What’s your favorite game with the Cthulhu mythos flavor ?
Machina Arcana
Definitely the little lore bits would've been welcome
Thx for this revisit! I'll be sure to get on board for the next kickstarter! I'm surprise considering your opinion about Zombicide! I thought this game was a kind of Chtulhu rethemed Zombicide. But after watching your review, their is a lot more story and narrative direction than in Zombicide. Thats a shame about the context, because as you say everything is in free domain ! Do you know if during the kickstarter it will be possible to get Season 1 and 2 ? By the way, did you play Season 2 and, if so, did you consider it as something that's necessary or is there enough to play a lot of game just with season 1 ?
It's WAY better than Zombicide. More fun, all around. I don't know too much about the next KS. I would buy S1 and S2.
As i play solo id love these games more if they did a standee version, everything they have made for this game would fit in one box then as well, i dont need a room full off minis.
Yep. Standees rule, plastic drools.
Ha insanely good, I see what you did there
What sort of plastic are the figures made of? Soft/bendy? Hard/rigid?
Same as all the CMON games. I’m not really a minis guy, so not sure. They’re spikey enough to hurt if you pick them up wrong.
Was planning on going all in on this game with the new KS until they said it wouldn't have KS versions of season 1 or 2 a available. Bummer
I’m sure there will more than enough with the new stuff. I just have retail, and it’s plenty.
@@TheDungeonDive Just found the Core S1 + S2 + Black goat at my locaL store, plus now that the new campaign has giant Cthulhu and the stretch goal box from Season 1&2 available I'm planning on jumping in. Just re-watched this vid and your original one and your MoM 2nd review... I understand the differences, but between the games which do you yourself like more?
Now Bloodborne next please 🙏
Will be hitting next week.
sometimes i find this game a bit too fiddly and results in accelerated tiredness due to playing but i guess americans like these kinds of games more
If you get tired playing board games, you might want to get more exercise.
@@TheDungeonDive i mean there are like other cthulhu games that arent as fiddly as DMD