Call of Cthulhu RPG - Is the 7th Edition Starter Set good for Absolute Beginners?
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Call of Cthulhu is my go-to game for bringing new players into the hobby. I love this box set.
I've found CoC the easiest RPG to teach new players. Once they figure out how the d100 works, the idea of seeing what percentage of a chance you have to pass something and the kind of skills their character is good at becomes really intuitive in my experience. Still my favorite RPG after many years. And agreed, having access to decades worth of material is incredible.
What are some of your favorite supplements?
I really appreciate the thorough, interesting way you craft these videos.
Thank you! Appreciate the watch and comment.
I ran a CoC campaign back in the early 1990s ("At Your Door") and my friends *still* talk about it today. It's the only CoC we played and given all the other RPGs we tried, the fact that it's routinely the one they all remember is amazing to me. With all the skills, I always felt like unlike a lot of other systems, there were so many opportunities to use them when playing. There's so many, but I never remember thinking they were useless. And all those handouts - they really made a huge difference while playing. Regardless, I'm a sucker for starter sets and this looks like winner!
You're totally right about the skills. The game really encourages players to use them, far more so than in many RPGs I know. While it's a very mechanical game, it also encourages role playing. Sometimes those two things can be at odds with each other.
Great comments section that were helpful for my interest in Cthulhu rpging
Thanks for the reminder to put my order through for a couple of the Alone Against... books!
As far as a tool to emulate the unraveling of a mystery and sanity, I just finished a game of Ironsworn there my character was brought in to investigate the attack on a settlement by what at first appeared to be bandits. Yet, through a series of failed rolls and some creative interpretations of the the oracles, he ended up discovering an ancient demon trapped in a pillar of iron deep in the elf woods that was brainwashing any hunters that wandered too close.
He and his companion were the only two to escape and he was the only one to keep his mind.
I'd say that was pretty bog standard Lovecraft investigation turned Weird Tale. ;)
That sounds great!
You rock, Daniel.
The Solo Investigator's Handbook is pretty cool for playing solo CoC!
Oh nice! I’ll look into that. Thanks!
@@TheDungeonDive Seconding this! Solo Investigator's Handbook is superb
Last time I played, was 4th edition, in 2000. Thank you, have to try it solo.
Really like this take on CoC - never considered a system like this one for solo play
Looks like a good deal, and their policy on PDF support is impressive. I tend to do my heavy reading of games just before work, or during a break, and don't want to carry them around. This means buying the PDF most of the time.
As for mystery, I don't recall playing in any role-playing game where solving the mystery was a highlight. I feel like when you're dealing with magic/occult forces, the same forces under player control do a lot of the heavy lifting, so it's not exactly Sherlock Holmes material.
I think that discovering the mystery via an oracle would be pretty satisfying.
This boxed set is amazing!
Thx for the review!!! You're right that the character sheet look like a excel spreadsheet for accountant but the introduction adventure bring you step by step in it ! Really fun game! The starter set is cheap and give you enough rules to play hours and hours without having to buy anything else. I heard that in the Regular players handbook you can play other "race" than human. I'm curious but not 70$ curious haha! Its fun also to have other ambiance than the regular fantasy setting. I enjoy the 1920-1930 investigator vibe! With the Alone against the Dark campaign it become almost like Eldritch Horror the RPG. You buy boat tickets stuff happens etc. Thx again!
I agree that it’s nice to have a different setting and genre to play in.
Excellent discussion regarding this. …I recently began collecting these book pdfs and can’t wait to start getting into them!!
I recently picked up the Investigators Handbook too and it discusses wealth, money …Hundreds of jobs, skills and how they work. It will definitely enhance gameplay
These books are just fun to read, even if you don’t end up playing.
Totally true! I am having a blast with them. …I’m reading Pulp Cthulhu right now it so much fun and that looks like the way to play !!
There is an indie game called Brindle Wood Bay , it incorporates an odd mystery mechanic. I just recently kickstarted the newest version. Still need to read how the mechanic works.
Thanks Daniel! Great video! About the Chaosium books, Did you pick them up recently? I’m wondering if the two that you were showing have been sold out or if they are out of print. Thanks so much and keep up the good work brother.
I’ve had my Chaosium books forever! I’ve got about 8 or so of them.
Hey! Great video!
CoC is a fantastic game, but when it comes to solo I believe "Cthulhu Confidential" is a better choice.
It's based on the GUMSHOE system, but focused on one-on-one games (a GM and one player). It's super easy to run as a solo mode for lovecraftian horror, you just need some oracles.
A second option would be "Tiny Cthulhu", wich is a minimalistic system and easy to run solo.
As an oracle/solo generator, there is the "Solo Investigator's Handbook", for CoC. It's, imho, a mess, but useful.
I’ve had fun with it. I’m enjoying the Eldritch setting for Tricube tales right now.
Thank you
Some Call of Cthulhu (CoC) adventures are linear, and some are sandbox. It all depends on what the adventure author intends.
I’m mainly speaking in terms of the solo player on this channel, so the solo paragraph adventures are not sandbox. They’re CYOA / paragraph books. You could create a solo sandbox adventure using the Solo Investigators handbook for sure!
I'm sold!!! ording now..I need to know where you got those Amazing Books Sleeves?
They're usually included with the books when I buy them. But you can order them from Amazon. I'm actually in the process of removing all of mine and donating them back to a local used book store.
Hi, Silent Legions rpg by Kevin Crawford is great utility for Cthulhu Mythos style sandbox adventures.
Thanks for tip!
I like your segment on taking the good, acknowledge the bad and have fun... I agree with you about HP but I find it hard with other artists, I don't know why. Maybe I need +20 years after their death.... It helps that Cthulu Mythos is bigger than any of it's creators/contributors :-)
That's something I've been conveying in my mythos videos for a long time! I often hear people say things like "very few of the mythos things really capture the tone of Lovecraft!" And I'm like, "yeah, and that's great!" Lovecraft is only one small part of the mythos. The best thing about the mythos is how it is a collaborative thing created by and added to by a huge number of authors, artists and musicians, each with their own unique take on it. The responsibility of the audience is to find the style that fits their tastes the best. Personally, I'm more in the Brian Lumley camp of things.
@@TheDungeonDive I agree completly. HP planted a seed but authors and designers saw an opportunity to expand the universe. It's almost an Open Source World! I will check Brian L., I saw the reference in your video and never heard his name before. I've HP and August D.
@@TheDungeonDive What is a good book to start with Brian Lumley? I saw that there is 6 books in the serie Titus Crow. You recommend to start the 'Transition of Titus Crow'?
For his mythos stuff, I would start with his short stories. He has a few collections. The House of Cthulhu, The Taint, and Haggopian. The Titus Crow stuff can be a little confusing, just because it kind of stretches off into other things. I've only read the 1st 3 of the TC books.
@@TheDungeonDive Will add it to my reading list.
Another question, I have the Starter Kit of CoC. You got me interested in playing solo that adventure. If I buy Pulp Cthulhu, do I need to Keeper (7th edition) core book?
So on the cover of introductory rules. Did the detective shoot that lady?
The game seems nice!! But, for a Cthulhu solo RPG I rather 4 Against Darkness - Four Against the Great Old Ones instead
What is that a full rpg cathulhu or a different rpg that is cathulu like, sorry I'm new to these and just exploring my options.
@@roger9685 it’s a solo Cthulhu RPG
Where do you buy those retro books? 🙂
The fiction? I’ve been collecting for years. But I usually buy my books from eBay and Instagram when I shop online so I know exactly what cover I am getting. If not online, then just at local used bookstores. We have a lot by where I live.
Castle Rock!!!! I live 30 min away!!!!
Is this a new starter set? Haven’t seen this one before.
Yes. For 7th edition.
I don't know if I'd call it "scripted" exactly. It heavily uses prepared scenarios - a nessecary thing since the core conceit of the game is that of an investigation: A mystery. And freeform, randomly generated mysteries would tend to be unsatifying.
A good investigation should allow for a certain amount of player freedom in how they investigate, however.
Scripted in the way that all paragraph adventures are scripted. It's just a common game term used for paragraph adventures. They're not open-ended sandboxes where anything can happen. You can only do what has been scripted in the paragraphs in the solo adventures. Of course a GM led game would most likely not be scripted like that.
The starter is all you need. I got the Keeper's Book and sold it as it was just padding and flannel. Good review but why even mention racism most people don't know and don't care about it as it doesn't affect them just stick to the game 🙄🙄🙄
I'm a super woke progressive that's why. In other words, I care about it. If you have a problem with me mentioning social justice things, go elsewhere.
@@TheDungeonDiveWhat has your political left wing ideology got to do with my RPG experience? We all hate racism, but thanks for the info, I will go elsewhere.
@@TheDungeonDiveI’d like to say you handed that with grace and decorum but I’d be lying! Sorry but you really didn’t have to act like a dick and a lot of us gamers are sick of having woke ideology shoved down our throats.
26:11 the "racist" argument about H.P. seems to be a pretty dumb subject as far as I can know.
Having read all of his stories I have found nothing racist about.
Considering the time and era that H.P. lived we can easily misjudge someone's thinking as racist or whatever because we see and talk about things differently nowadays.
A common error people are doing reading about historical figures over the centuries.
Personally I know H.P. only from his writings. I don't know his personal life or beliefs about anything.
But having asked people "why do you believe he was a racist?" I never got a real argument or evidence of such a thing.
Someone told me to read the poem Providence. I found nothing racist in it.
Someone else told me that he never had a gay character in his stories, so he was against gay people.... (for God's sake).
An other one told me he depicted the black people as bad and uncivilised in his stories....
He was having a bunch of white people as mad and evil as hell people...come on now....stop saying nonsense and enjoy the writings and the stories. He was a writer with a great fantasy.
Enjoy.
You may have your opinion but it’s an established fact that he was super racist. That’s not up for debate.
His pet cat was named Nigger Man. He was a terrible racist person who wrote some great fiction. It’s ok to enjoy the good while acknowledging the bad. Ignoring the bad doesn’t do anyone any good. He was even super racist for the time in which he lived. No one is saying not to read him or enjoy his work. At least no one here.
@@TheDungeonDive first of all EVERYTHING is a subject to debate.
That's the BASIS of discussion.
Second, my opinion is based on his writings that I have read.
Also, no one gave me a real argument about him been a racist. I'm still waiting for one.
He named his cat "Nigger" ? And that makes him a racist?
You do understand that he probably LOVED his PET cat right? So...why would he give it a "bad" name?
People can give their pets whatever names. When I was a child I called my dog with a human's name. Was that a racist act against the people having that name?......
Besides, 100 years ago that may be something people used to do without the same meaning we give it nowadays.
There are plenty of examples about it.
Anyway, you can have your own opinion about such things.
You belive he was a racist.
I believe he was not. (Unless I have evidence that he was).
No one is certain because both of us did not knew him personally.
But what bothers me in all this, is that people nowadays are judging and giving the "racist" label to others too easy based on rumours or misunderstandings. And that's a bad thing.
(I hope you understand this is a friendly argument and not an offensive comment in any way.)
It's not a debate though. He was racist. Every single serious Lovecraft scholar knows this.
There are literally a thousand articles detailing all the reasons why, and dozens and dozens of books of collected letters that prove it. I"m not here to debate you on these subjects, and won't any more. You're not engaging in good faith because you aren't acknowledging facts. You're wasting my time. It's like debating against a flat-earther, or a moon landing denier, or a QANON! LOL.
Acknowledging this is not saying that we can't read and enjoy him. I wouldn't have spent over 20 years of my life and many thousands of dollars on books to not enjoy them.
"So just how racist was he?
Really, really racist. In 1912, he authored a poem called “On the Creation of N*ggers,” and if the title weren’t evidence enough of his bigotry, in it he calls Black people “semi-human” and “filled... with vice.” He also hated Jewish people, and wrote that they “insidiously degrade[d]... Aryan civilization”. Unsurprisingly, he was a big fan of Adolf Hitler. “I know he’s a clown, but god I like the boy,” Lovecraft wrote. Of New York’s Chinatown neighborhood, he hoped in one letter that “a kindly gust of cyanogen could asphyxiate the whole gigantic abortion.” "
www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a33587705/lovecraft-country-hbo-hp-lovecraft-racism-legacy/
library.brown.edu/create/lovecraftracialimaginaries/
www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/08/hp-lovecraft-125/401471/
www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/arts/television/hp-lovecraft.html
www.vox.com/culture/21363945/hp-lovecraft-racism-examples-explained-what-is-lovecraftian-weird-fiction
lithub.com/we-cant-ignore-h-p-lovecrafts-white-supremacy/
www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/how-writers-are-turning-h-p-lovecraft-s-racist-work-on-its-head-1.5883881
baos.pub/lovecraft-was-racist-now-what-b371767d2e90
the world's most respected Lovecraft scholar, a man who has championed Lovecraft's work, writes about his racism in this book:
www.amazon.com/H-P-Lovecraft-Decline-West-ebook/dp/B07179JH2S/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=the+decline+of+the+west+joshi&qid=1600663975&sr=8-1
Do with this information what you will.
Really good interview with Victor LaValle, author The Ballad of Black Tom, which reexamines Lovecraft's The Horror At Red Hook from the POV of a black man.
This will provide you with some important context to all the articles above. Wish I would have posted this first!
www.npr.org/2016/02/29/468558238/the-ballad-of-black-tom-offers-a-tribute-and-critique-of-lovecraft
@@TheDungeonDive I can admit that I don’t have all the information you have and I may be wrong.
I'm not afraid to admit if I am wrong about something.
I already said that my opinion is based on his stories that I have read and not in information about his personal life.
I haven't seen the links you posted yet but I will when I will have the time.
In any case sorry if I wasted your time as you said. You weren't obligated to reply to my comment in any way.