@@Appalachia_Ape Almost every modern assault rifle that isn't an ak, can be traced back to one of his designs. Its not even an understatement to call him, Jim Sullivan , and Bob Fremont the father's of the modern assault rifle.
@@Appalachia_Apeit’s crazy to me that he wasn’t even impressed with the Ar15 it was designed for our small framed Asian allies he really thought the troops should have the stoner 63 and they didn’t listen imagine if all our troops had a stoner 63 issued
The best videos are of stoner himself breaking down the weapon one of the museums interviewed him for historical record and breaks down all his designs incredible footage there called the stoner tapes
In Australia in the army here we use the F89 minimi both belt fed and can take a mag if need be it’s been replaced with something more modern it’s a shame I never had one that jammed or fucked up.
FYI: Stoner's auto-cannon design was the 25mm TRW 6425. You can read about it in the December 1967 issue of Guns Magazine, which is available for free online at the magazine's website. gunsmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/G1267.pdf#page=28
Ultimately, it was an economic and political decision that led to the m249 and m240 of FN because the US wanted Belgium to be part of the f-16 fighter jet program, by this time many other NATO countries were already adopting to the FN machine guns for the US it was acceptable to give up a domestically produced machine gun for an foreign one in ensuring the f-16 fighter program being successful.
By the way, Port Clinton, OH is within spitting distance of Camp Perry. The ARES building is right on the Lake Erie coast, what they manufactured could be loaded on ships.
As much as I like the SHOT! vids, I'm thinking a more intimate experience here, Miles. Candle lit, rose petals, and a comparison of the Stoner 86/Ares LMG-1 in a more isolated environment without the loud show floor in the back and without some Rep doing the talkin'! Definitely some range time, yes, that'd be hawt.
How KAC lmg compares to Negev and Ultimax 100 as they are the closest comparable to it, being one capable of mag and belt fed without any modification while the other being drum fed with same action as KAC lmg.
Everyone gets bent out of shape when I say FNH and H&K "grease the wheels" when trying to get small arm contracts with the US government. Here we had a superior design to the m249 saw and it was passed up. Hell this weapon design was used in Vietnam, it was proven to work but I guess Stoner didn't "grease the wheels".
I heard they had tons of leftover Minimi's cos they where going to be used as co-axial turret guns on Abrams tanks so they skewed the 'competition' to have it issued, inferior as it was.
Stoner worked & designed the ar10 armalite rifle 308, but Washington & colt decided the manufacturer it with a lot of cost/changes, colt won the contract, alot of us gi's die😢d because of colt's manufacture
great video! i wish the army hadn't gone with the saw. most of the infantry i ran across weren't enthusiastic with it after lugging it around everywhere and trying to keep it clean. and magazines? never worked worth a damn. again not sure why we couldn't have de-mountable versions of 240's
only a 3.6 pound diff in weight. and the mounted 240's [the loaders really] wouldn't be going very far. i was not recommending the m240 replace the saw. the saw was too overbuilt and heavy to be lugged all over..... looks like the marines use the m240g, which allows it to be used by vehicles and infantry alike.
Miles, it is my mistake for being vague. I appreciate that people have different perspectives, and the videos are full of good information. My problem with your videos is this: you left multiple instances of yourself confusing the firearms in the final cut and the presentation of the information is objectively bad.
Did you want a dissertation? These videos are supposed to be short and casual discussions of historically significant small arms. If you want the full scoop, then check out Ian at FW, he does an awesome job. If you want even more knowledge, then buy the books out there and invest in the Smithsonian interviews with Stoner. I’m sorry I didn’t perform to your high standards of video expectations, but luckily at least several hundred folks think that this was a neat video, so you seem to be quite the outlier. -Miles
No, I do not want a dissertation. Although if anyone has one on the Stoner 86 and or the ARES LMG-1, the audiobook would be far less dry than any video by Miles. I, like most people, just want quality content that doesn't make people fall asleep. For you that might mean editting out the parts where you fumble between weapons names, and maybe being a little less bland. Or, send your videos to James with the information and have him narrate.... Because it doesn't matter how good your information is if you can't present it without boring the life out of your viewers.
Well that’s too bad you’re disappointed, but a number of commenters seemed to have really enjoyed it. I’ll continue to cater to them and you can feel free to watch literally anything else on TH-cam. -Miles
Miles, you talk too fast. Your sentences run together and occasionally you trip over your words. You bring good content to the table so maybe if you slow down the presentation just a bit it will be more palatable .
Oh geez, another video with some guy that isn't, and never can be, James Reeves. I got nothing against this grey-haired millennial that probably drinks Mocha Grande lattes with sprinkles and unicorn jizz from Starbucks. I'm sure he's a great guy, but again, he's just not James. This basically comes down to the fact that watching James is like watching the real life Clark Kent, with his chiseled physique and luxurious hair, shooting and talking about guns. So Miles, take heart buddy, it's nothing personal and I'm sure you're a great guy, but you're just not James.
I used both the M60 and M249 during my military service... would love to get my hands on a Stoner LMG.
Stoner was a Genius, tis a shame a lot of what he did went underappreciated.
100% for all of the merritt the AR10 and AR15 have, he's hands down one of the most underrated engineers to ever design firearms.
@@Appalachia_Ape
Almost every modern assault rifle that isn't an ak, can be traced back to one of his designs. Its not even an understatement to call him, Jim Sullivan , and Bob Fremont the father's of the modern assault rifle.
@@cmndr_superglue you're right, Mr. L James Sullivan and Bob Freemont are on the list too.
@@cmndr_superglue I heard he went to the UK to see the Enfield and he went "It's good to see your children". As if to say " You used my idea".
@@Appalachia_Apeit’s crazy to me that he wasn’t even impressed with the Ar15 it was designed for our small framed Asian allies he really thought the troops should have the stoner 63 and they didn’t listen imagine if all our troops had a stoner 63 issued
Great job Miles! Very interesting stuff. Greetings from Estonia!
Are you gonna fire it? N-No...? Okay...
This was a great extensive video. Thank you.
Would be nice to see disassembly and internal details if you get a chance to handle these again. Thanks for posting obscure content.
The best videos are of stoner himself breaking down the weapon one of the museums interviewed him for historical record and breaks down all his designs incredible footage there called the stoner tapes
In Australia in the army here we use the F89 minimi both belt fed and can take a mag if need be it’s been replaced with something more modern it’s a shame I never had one that jammed or fucked up.
This was a good video, informative and cool to see the variations.
Stoner and Sullivan first learned about constant recoil from the MP-44 German assault rifle.
Didn't know this existed! Explains the resemblance of KAC's new lightweight belt fed to the Stoner-63.
Damn Miles, that was an interesting video, good job mate!
Thanks Brah!
-Miles
Thanks TFB TV!
Miles keep up the good work!
Nice video man. Can we have one about the new knights LMG?
We did one at SHOT this year, check it out man!
Thanks for the great info Miles and TFB
Essentially, essentially, essentially, essentially, essentially, essentially. ESSENTIALLY!
Nice close ups, it would be nice to see more of the full guns though
I love miles' videos tbh
I usually rag on you, but this was the most well executed vid you've done. Good job.
FYI: Stoner's auto-cannon design was the 25mm TRW 6425. You can read about it in the December 1967 issue of Guns Magazine, which is available for free online at the magazine's website.
gunsmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/G1267.pdf#page=28
Hipster 5 o'clock shadow and frosty tips....nice bro!!
Ultimately, it was an economic and political decision that led to the m249 and m240 of FN because the US wanted Belgium to be part of the f-16 fighter jet program, by this time many other NATO countries were already adopting to the FN machine guns for the US it was acceptable to give up a domestically produced machine gun for an foreign one in ensuring the f-16 fighter program being successful.
Never seen a video of Eugene Stoner, he is an elusive figure.
slow down...take a breath. We want to hear what you say, its very interesting
I got hyped man!!! But yes, thanks for the advice!
-Miles
Semper Fi!
The rate of speech is fine to me. Then again, I've been told I'm a fast talker, so...
By the way, Port Clinton, OH is within spitting distance of Camp Perry. The ARES building is right on the Lake Erie coast, what they manufactured could be loaded on ships.
I'm glad miles is no longer getting bullied in the comment section anymore
Awesome vid, Miles. I really hope you do a follow-up video talking about the KA-LAMG, that'd be super cool!
Man, we did one at SHOT! But hopefully we can get some range time in the future.
-Miles
As much as I like the SHOT! vids, I'm thinking a more intimate experience here, Miles. Candle lit, rose petals, and a comparison of the Stoner 86/Ares LMG-1 in a more isolated environment without the loud show floor in the back and without some Rep doing the talkin'! Definitely some range time, yes, that'd be hawt.
I would sell my house to get an actual stoner 63. It's one of my most favorite firearm designs.
How KAC lmg compares to Negev and Ultimax 100 as they are the closest comparable to it, being one capable of mag and belt fed without any modification while the other being drum fed with same action as KAC lmg.
Miles, I liked this video. It could have been an hour long! :)
Does the ARES-1 lmg have any relationship with the company now known as FightLite that used to also be called Ares?
Probably. The fightlite company now makes a beltfed mg upper for the AR 15 lower. Objectively the best evolution of the system.
Miles, please don't leave us like Alex did :(
Hahaha, nah, working with TFB has been an amazing experience.
-Miles
What song is that at the end? I like it!
Everyone gets bent out of shape when I say FNH and H&K "grease the wheels" when trying to get small arm contracts with the US government. Here we had a superior design to the m249 saw and it was passed up.
Hell this weapon design was used in Vietnam, it was proven to work but I guess Stoner didn't "grease the wheels".
I feel like this is only half of a video is there going to be a part 2 or this is it
that barrel change button seems to be awfully likely to be pushed by accident.
It was really sturdy. We never had any issues with it.
Lots of similar features as the ultimax. Hard to believe stoner and Sullivan were not at least comparing ideas.
I heard they had tons of leftover Minimi's cos they where going to be used as co-axial turret guns on Abrams tanks so they skewed the 'competition' to have it issued, inferior as it was.
Singapore has the Ultimax 100, which bears heavy resemblance to the Stoner 63.
is this the same Ares that created the SCR and MCR and later rebranded to FightLite
What does Silah (report) mean?
Go to the Twitter account as displayed in the intro and find out man!
-Miles
awesome! Too short though...
are you guys filming in Afghanistan?
Who is his new guy?
And now we have the Fightlite MCR
open or closed bolt?
Stoner worked & designed the ar10 armalite rifle 308, but Washington & colt decided the manufacturer it with a lot of cost/changes, colt won the contract, alot of us gi's die😢d because of colt's manufacture
are you guys in pakistan or something?
great video! i wish the army hadn't gone with the saw. most of the infantry i ran across weren't enthusiastic with it after lugging it around everywhere and trying to keep it clean. and magazines? never worked worth a damn. again not sure why we couldn't have de-mountable versions of 240's
Because the M240 realistically too overbuilt and heavy to be practical. No one wants to drag a 28 pounds of gun across the desert.
only a 3.6 pound diff in weight. and the mounted 240's [the loaders really] wouldn't be going very far. i was not recommending the m240 replace the saw. the saw was too overbuilt and heavy to be lugged all over..... looks like the marines use the m240g, which allows it to be used by vehicles and infantry alike.
that sure don't look like FLA in the background.
Oooo wouldn’t you like to know... :)
-Miles
Exactly what I was thinking... Looks a lot like some shithole country I happen to live in.
I know, I know
to be in the saw trials it had to be able to use stanag mags and belts
The camera work is just wired...You never see the complete gun.
Fantastic stoner
damn you need to put a warning label on Miles' videos
Yea sure, just avoid all the videos with the Institute of Military Technology in the preview image, who cares about old guns anyways.
-Miles
Showed All That Neat Stuff But Didn’t Fire It 😳😳😮😲😐
Miles no, the stock comes off so you can mount the fucker
Im watching this lit as fuck
Miles, please leave Forgotten Weapons to make these videos. That way they won't be putrid heaps of bovine feces.
You’re right, there should only be one perspective on historical small arms. I’ll stop any and all current historical research immediately.
-Miles
Miles, it is my mistake for being vague. I appreciate that people have different perspectives, and the videos are full of good information. My problem with your videos is this: you left multiple instances of yourself confusing the firearms in the final cut and the presentation of the information is objectively bad.
Did you want a dissertation? These videos are supposed to be short and casual discussions of historically significant small arms. If you want the full scoop, then check out Ian at FW, he does an awesome job. If you want even more knowledge, then buy the books out there and invest in the Smithsonian interviews with Stoner. I’m sorry I didn’t perform to your high standards of video expectations, but luckily at least several hundred folks think that this was a neat video, so you seem to be quite the outlier.
-Miles
No, I do not want a dissertation. Although if anyone has one on the Stoner 86 and or the ARES LMG-1, the audiobook would be far less dry than any video by Miles.
I, like most people, just want quality content that doesn't make people fall asleep. For you that might mean editting out the parts where you fumble between weapons names, and maybe being a little less bland. Or, send your videos to James with the information and have him narrate.... Because it doesn't matter how good your information is if you can't present it without boring the life out of your viewers.
Well that’s too bad you’re disappointed, but a number of commenters seemed to have really enjoyed it. I’ll continue to cater to them and you can feel free to watch literally anything else on TH-cam.
-Miles
Miles, you talk too fast. Your sentences run together and occasionally you trip over your words. You bring good content to the table so maybe if you slow down the presentation just a bit it will be more palatable .
Squirrelly weapon
HEY WEIRDOS !!!!!!
That moment when you realize you probably shouldn't grow your facial hair. Been there myself :)
Oh my God what happened to your hair? Your hair is already going grey like Engineering Explained.
Set your white balance and lock it down. lol
Oh geez, another video with some guy that isn't, and never can be, James Reeves. I got nothing against this grey-haired millennial that probably drinks Mocha Grande lattes with sprinkles and unicorn jizz from Starbucks. I'm sure he's a great guy, but again, he's just not James.
This basically comes down to the fact that watching James is like watching the real life Clark Kent, with his chiseled physique and luxurious hair, shooting and talking about guns.
So Miles, take heart buddy, it's nothing personal and I'm sure you're a great guy, but you're just not James.
Kevin 85907 you clearly hate this guy do you.
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Please re-film this with someone else. *Anyone else.* Miles V is unwatchable.
Ahhh that’s too bad man, I’m really sorry you didn’t like it. Perhaps I can entertain you with literally the whole of YT videos to pick from?
-Miles
Not it, *_YOU_* ! I'm interested in the subject matter but I can't stand the person presenting it.
Michael Carnes how so? He did fine here and has been doing fine for a long time.
@Michael Carnes what a tool
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