The 2021 Toyota Supra 3.0 Fixes a Lot of First-Year Problems - One Take
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The 2020 Toyota Supra didn't, unfortunately, light the enthusiast world on fire. While a new Toyota sports car is always welcome, the fact is, the Supra is a thinly disguised BMW Z4 with a fixed roof. Furthermore, it wasn't exactly finely tuned out of the box. For 2021, Toyota has re-programmed all computers, from the ECU to the ESC, the differential, adaptive dampers and gearbox, plus changed the bump stops to hopefully improve the bump-steer situation. The changes are substantial, but is that enough to make the Supra lustworthy?
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TheSmokingTire I’m pretty sure before they even dropped the 2020 Supra, at the pres conference, they said that they were going to release updated versions of the Supra every year for the next five or seven years I think. So the people that bought 2020 supers and think that they got screwed over, they should’ve done the research just a little more and they would’ve known that...
TheSmokingTire and also there are a couple companies that have made an aftermarket part that you put on the mirrors on the door to get rid of the wind buffeting when the windows are down. I think it’s only like a $20 upgrade. But it most definitely is a necessity.
Thanks God I’n 2011 I had a crash in the mustang 2011, in less than a month. And after that I found and bought the 2012
Best advice I ever heard was "Don't buy the first year of any new car."
Scotty 😌
Very true of any car
My brother bought the first rx8. Constantly in the shop. Brilliant drive but it wasn’t ready yet.
dont buy the first of anything. let the product mature first.
*Cries in limited production cars like the LFA
“The 1998 Supra gained its iconic nature after it went out of production.”
That’s literally nearly every performance based toyota/Lexus ever.
Celica and MR2during production - these cars are boring. (Sales start declining)
After they’re discontinued - they were, good fun cars.
ISF during production - car sucks.
After it’s discontinued - man, this is a good car they should bring it back. It’s a classic.
LFA - car is overpriced garbage.
After production ends - man this car is so special. They should’ve made more.
Current Supra - this is bmw garbage. It’s boring.
After production ends - man, I have no idea why they ended production. They should bring back the Supra.
Nailed it.
or just about any 90s performance Japanese car really
I think it has to do with the lack of Toyotas and lexus's is motorsport back then. Most European manufacturers, Nissan and Honda were popular back in their day because they were in racing.
so basically appreciate everything from now on
@@MrSaxophoneGamer Yeah because Toyota has NEVER been known for their racing heritage have they eh?
Luckily I'm not 6'3" so getting in and out is not a problem.
Even luckier is that I don't have the money to even buy the RC version of this car, so I'm safe.
😄😄😄
Matt's "Faster Than I Can Think" formula of about 3,000lbs and about 400hp is about 200hp higher than mine
Right? 😅 I guess you get accustomed to the speed. 2650lb and 200 wheel HP feels plenty quick to me, and minor mods and a tune will net about 300, not sure if I'm ready for it yet haha
2100lbs and 200hp is plenty good in the canyons. I'd like more, but it's still plenty fast. A little more tire grip and I would be scared to corner.
I'm partial to 116hp and 403 pounds, seems to be the perfect power to weight ratio for me.
Depends how revvy, my car is 1800lbs and 240bhp and screams to 8grand, that is quicker than I can think
@@JK-tu1xx motorcycle?
Can we all agree this car is gorgeous? For me it's perfect from all angles. It's a matter of taste but it's really something special that I think we will especially appreciate 10 years from now and beyond
The aesthetics of this car are the one deal breaker for me..... It just looks kind of cheesy
It's a GT car, much like the old supra. that's what everybody forgets in their nostalgia, is that the old supra is not a sports car in stock guise, its a GT car. and this holds true with the new one too
Good point, but Blackpanthaa got fucked
"not since the 2004 Gallardo"
2012 Honda Civic versus 2013 Honda Civic would like a word, LOL
2010 Mustang comes to mind
2008 wrx vs. 2009 wrx
Wasn't that mainly visual changes?
Gohan Yeah the 2010 and 2011 Mustang makes more sense.
2012 civics are hands down the ugliest
Problems getting in and out...says the guy with a Countach.
Yes, they have changed the head on the engine. The 2020 used an integrated exhaust manifold, the new one does not. The new head flows better. Better flow = more power
Well thats interesting. Also opens up the option for the aftermarket to sell a tubular header that works with the stock turbo then.
One thing that bugged my ownership of the lexus ISF was a cracked header. My mr2 turbo also had this problem. The integrated design isnt such a bad idea.
Well, is not like the current head can't flow well enough for 1000 hp (Papadakis) or 750 whp (Adam Lz). Currently the bottle neck is not the engine, nor the head, is the transmission...
It also has a larger turbocharger, different cylinder heads, and has a different bottom end (as of now I can't tell exactly what about the bottom end is different but what's telling is that the compression ratio of the 2021 Supra is different to the Z4).
In a vacuum, the 2020 Supra has better acceleration because the 2021 Supra gets its full torque 200 rpm later than the 2020 Supra. However in real life, that 200 rpm difference is pretty negligible because the 2021 has a way fatter power and torque band than the 2020 throughout the entire rev range, so the 2021 Supra beats out the 2020 Supra in acceleration anyways and would walk the 2020 Supra at higher speeds.
What's really telling is that once you look at Car and Driver's dyno results of a 2021 vs a 2020 Supra, the 2021 easily has another ~50 horsepower and ~30 lb-ft of torque more than the 2020 Supra from 5000 rpm all the way to when everything drops off redline, meaning the 2021 Supra would pull like a freight train on the 2020 Supra at the top end and would run away into the distance after they're both neck in neck for a couple of seconds assuming you race them from a standing start.
The 2021 is simply an order of magnitude faster. However I actually like the sound of the 2020 model better.
@@0Camus0 It will be a restriction once the aftermarket really gets going at making power with the B58. Porting an integrated manifold head is much more difficult and it still won't flow as well as a traditional ported head. A better flowing head will make the same power at less boost.
I love having to duck to get in and out of this car... it adds to how special it feels and it punches above its weight performance wise.
“Did you get absolutely hosed if you bought the 2020 model? You did.”
Ouch
The info about the car getting a instant power bump was said months before the 20 models were even released.
well since they selling u over a sticker... there are sucker born every year.. that who ever get them... they are one... it same as NSX... they just try to trick you buying one..
@@campkira This is why you never buy a brand new car design the first year it comes out. These problems happen with most new car models anyway.
*When you're the guinea pig of a new model, you'll always get issues that will get fixed in next year's model. Now at the very least, they get access to the car a year before others do... but most people don't really care about that novelty.*
When this new Supra goes out of production and if Toyota don’t make a replacement, Matt and everyone else will say that this was such a great car and they will be confused why they didn’t make a new one. Just like the old Supra, everyone forgets that nobody really cared about the MK4 supra until years after it was gone.
Exactly!!!!
I don't care about the Supra, the Yaris Gazoo racing edition has me drooling.
Don't say it's name. It isn't coming to the states. So sad. Probably would interrupt all 86 sales.
@@BrendanEvan It's not. We don't get the global Yaris.
I had no idea what you were talking about so I had to check. 45000 euros. I'm afraid I won't buy that thing anytime soon.
Mojo it’s supposed to work about about £30k so probably around €35k anymore and they’re ripping you off, I expect 2nd hand values will be higher than market values because homologation rally car
Ladies and gentlemen. Can the owner of a white toyota Yaris! Move thier car? I mean...its a Yaris. Cant get over that. How many grandmas drive a yaris because its so cute.
TTRS is also $15k more before options
Yeah, nothing really competes at that price point. Maybe an early C7, but Toyota was smart to fill a price gap
Nathan Childress i mean you can buy a m240i for $6000 less or a 718 cayman for $8000 more, go with a c7 if you need something in between. not exactly filling a gap. especially with the z4 at $49k as well, and a host of other subcompact sedans that compete with the supra
M4 better than this
luke holland the 718 and z4 at that price are the 4 cylinder versions though right?
M240i’s are much less fun to drive. A lot heavier and more numb.
The 2021 model uses new pistons that decrease the compression ratio from 11:1 to 10.2:1. Decreasing the compression ratio allows MUCH more boost. The new car is not only much faster in stock form but will also be much easier to tune to extremely high horsepower numbers. The 2021 model is the one to get.
Wow, that is a major change, very weird. The lower compression ratio makes for a little less response and decreased fuel economy though. Not that will make any difference when you swap out to a bigger turbo, lol.
SI0AX decreasing the compression ratio does decrease fuel economy slightly but has little to no detrimental effects on all performance aspects. The new Supra is as fast or much faster than the old one almost every single rpm across the rev range. There is no good reason to have an 11:0 compression ratio in a turbo charged car. I could only find two other vehicles that do it and those cars are not that well regarded.
@@LearningFast I heard the only real performance advantage to a higher compression ratio is reducing turbo lag and boost threshold. But with a big turbo, I don't think it's going to make much of a noticeable difference and the cons of the high CR on a turbo car outweighs the pro's.
@@LearningFast Which other cars were they? Jw
They decrease from 11.0:1 to 10.2:1 if I’m not wrong.
Finally matched the car to the Gran Turismo 1 sounds.
I hope they keep improving this thing. Next up is a manual trans, which has been rumored for years at this point. I really don’t get people who are mad about the BMW collab. How could you be mad at a reasonably priced, great looking sports car in today’s world?
It's a good car no doubt but I'm just sad it'll never be as reliable as the original, especially as it ages
@@ricardo9628 do tell more expert 🙄
You'll see with the 4 cylinder version video exactly why people are afraid of the collab.... Matt posted about it on his Instagram.
Ricardo it all depends on who maintains the car in the end. When I first got my MK4, it was nothing but problems. A Toyota nameplate doesn’t make it reliable, just like a BMW badge doesn’t make it unreliable. Sure, the electronics will give way, and become obsolete, but I think this power train will have some good staying power for years to come. Love the closed-deck design and with the new non-integrated exhaust manifold, it’s looking promising for tuning and maintenance.
S197Ryan yeah, BMW isn’t exactly known for making the best 4-cylinder engines I’ll give you that.
I’m waiting for the M model
M model? Hell no, the S58 engine is damn expensive to mantain.
Nice, I see what u did there
I thought it was funny
@@h.a.4600 Like every other S engine? Hell, every other high strung engine? Welcome to performance cars...
@@ryanhard5273 "performance engine" the M division engines is like EA Games, overcharge everything.
I actually see the improvements from the first year a very positive thing. It shows Toyota is putting their support behind this car in a real way. As far as first adopters getting hosed, you can only have a launch edtion of a car only once and they got the first edition of the reimagined Supra. As long as they resist the desire to modify it to kingdom come, they will have a nice collectible on their hands.
Seems like the F-Type has more in common with this than the TTRS tbh.
If you exclude the unreliability and terrible warranty support that comes with the F-Type.
@sanju2 Who tf would rent a F-type?
Ttrs is the greatest car in production
@sanju2 😂 Yeah because rental companies have riced Hondas.🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ Dumbass😂
@@jamesstillerman8292 if it had a proper Quattro system it would be. Haldex is straight ass.
Not being able to drive with the windows down and the fact that there's no manual option are total deal breakers for me. Love the car, though.
A weight reduced GT3/GT4 style version with a manual would be incredible, especially with the car's current power level and chassis.
It looks like you can buy aftermarket wind deflectors to fix that first issue now, but yeah, the absence of a manual is a massive shame.
$100 fix for wind buffeting (but Toyota should've done it themselves)
And fucked up rear suspension bumpsteer issues
@@joeracer302 Fixed according to this video
Thank you for the in depth review, I’m wanting to buy one of these later next year, the funny little things matter to me. I appreciate that you include the little quirks.
Love the honest review. That sloping roof would get irritating to me after a while but it sure does look good and sporty.
If the new Supra had a manual you'd likely be saying it was wayyy more fun. Jackie Ding's channel has a new Supra where he races it and broke lap records even before all the major upgrades. The older mk4 Supra has more nostalgia but wasn't a track warrior. For 2021 it even handles better than the 2020 in addition to having a new engine and turbo
The wind buffeting is so easily fixed with fins that introduce turbulence into the air running between the side mirrors and the windows. But the fact that Toyota hasn't introduced this fix with the car suggests to me that disrupting airflow in those channels messes with the driving dynamics of the car. (it's easily googled - supra wind deflector)
If I remember correctly, Matt had a similar issue with his personal Volt and Chevy eventually had a fix for it. Hopefully Toyota can do the same at some point.
Mpg testing issue too I assume
It’s a tooling production issue and the fact that this car already cost so much during development. A simple fix like this costs millions to implement and some testing needs to be recertified for homologation, e.g. mpg certification like another mentioned (possibly, sometimes can write an engineering justification and use other tests and simulations to get around more testing), so they aren’t keen to make changes that aren’t already budgeted. Also, they’re a huge company and not always the most agile with changes. Source: used to be product development engineer at one of the Big 3, and it was eye opening learning how much “simple fixes” cost to implement across a production fleet.
ppl just have to actually send THOUSANDS of complaints (review video doesn't count) to Toyota, they'll add in that wind deflector. until then, it's not happening. they'll let the aftermarket business handle that (remember, Toyota is going to do LESS, so aftermarket can do more to make money). just my 2 cent
Shut up
Things are always better in memory. It's impossible to recapture the nostalgia of a 90s supra
The supra when it was still in production did not have the popularity it has now. In fact, it was kind of mediocre. The whole tuning culture is what made the car popular.
@@acoustic6865 No the car itself certainly helped that whole thing because of its design, beauty and sheer cool factor. We couldn't have even taken the A80 to viral heights back then because the internet was not wide spread like it is today. Back then they also targeted the wrong market with the car but people got wise pretty quickly and it didn't take much more than a glance to be like, damn that thing is cool. The next best thing is a lexus SC300 which actually looks more like a thinner luxury supra. Itr just pains me to see what they did with the new one they didn't need completely redesign the car they could have made the old designs better just the same. Just imagine a slightly refined Supra with updated electronics and interior components. Some changes to some interior aspects and new plastics gawd it would have been a show stopper.
@@stevensims3342 Unrealistic, body shape requirements and safety requirements and emissions requirements wouldn't make it work. Want someone to blame, blame the politics.
I see and understand what your saying but no, not really. It would have been quite easy in this instance.
Manual, interior and motor from the same company that the car is badged as... as a matter of fact your comment is super wrong now that I think about lol. It would have been easy to do this car justice.
I don't care what people say, I think this supra is one hell of a car. It may not be a 2jz but I think its engine have enough potential to be a bomb.
Great video...your style and reviewing approach seems to be continuing to evolve which is always a good thing!
So much hate for this car that I can’t really figure out why , the b58 is the best straight six engine on sale now and the zf8hp is the best torque converter , car is super light on today’s standards and very much reliable and affordable . I think this is such a great mix. If you want sth that is practical and easier to live with go get a Camry . But the Supra is a car that serves a purpose , and the purpose is an affordable sports car that can do daily and track work while still be reliable .each car needs to be judged based on the price context it falls under
It's just how it is, I am very glad that there is a new purpose-built sports car on the road but the package is not exciting other than the Japanese styling. If the car doesn't get people going then it just doesn't no matter how good the car is on paper, especially when it does not have a manual (which will change in the very near future I believe). With that said I am looking forward to the 400z and see how will that compare to this.
It has a ton going for it. Sounds like they really didn't like it on track compared to other sports cars.
Marco Kwan what makes the car exciting and what not is really the media , and the media decided not to make this car exciting , I have driven the b58 engine in a 3850 pounds car and it was one hell of a ride let me tell you that , I couldn’t stop thinking how would it feel in a lighter smaller Supra , too bad I did not drive it yet . But anyway it’s the media again and again . The old Supra started to gain legendary status just after it was featured in a few movies or otherwise it would probably be just like the previous generation supras or a Mitsubishi gt
the people shitting on it are all like 12 and don't drive anything except in forza or gran turismo lol
If I were in the market I'd only hate that it wasn't a manual. Otherwise it's a great car. Unfortunately, GT350 still exists which is a problem for this car.
I loved that my old 2003 BMW 330Ci had very little wind buffeting with the front windows open and the rear quarter windows open. Without a little wind outlet behind the driver’s windows, buffeting can be an issue. Unfortunately, BMW sealed the rear quarter windows shut in the subsequent 3-series coupe. I don’t think the 4-series coupe has opening rear windows either.
Love the information on the updated 2021 Supra. We would love for you to do a review on the new TTRS(2018 up)and comparing it’s everyday drivability/fun to drive to the M2 competition, Cayman S and the Supra. Planning to get one of these in the near future.
Matt which one do you recommend this new Supra or a Camaro ss 1le with manual transmission?
Fixed a lot of problems except for the most glaring one: the omission of a proper transmission
Oh give it a rest, you want pure manual joy go buy a miata, you can bang your own gears all day in that. Next we're going to have people complaining they want automatic transmissions back because all these electric cars have only one speed.
There was recent study probably a couple months ago, mentioning that the auto industry is trying to phase out manual transmission. I'm sure you've noticed it yourself, i mean when the Nissan GT-R came out I'm sure many were upset as well. Even BMW is phasing them out as well with some of the M series.
Probably next production year. Theyre gonna do major changes each year. So its only safe to assume they will put a manual in it at some point.
DCT would be a sweet upgrade over the Automatic as well......
They will do it when Nissan drops the Z with a manual and sells through the roof. Toyota is slow as a company, and it doesn't listen to it's customer base
Was waiting for your review of the 2021 Supra! LFG!
That’s some awesome scenery.
When I drove the 2020 press car, it felt a lot like my BMW M2, except my M2 is a manual. I look forward to driving the 2021.
Matt Farah is absolutely spot on at the end about the new supra not holding up to the original's legacy. Good car, just not a good supra
I bet he won't appreciate that mangle of his name. I know I wouldn't.
@@veemacks7255 R and T right next to eachother on the keyboard, typos happen bud
Ricardo a “good supra” wouldn’t exist. so it’s a pretty good supra.
you're right, its a good sports car because it's not a good supra
@@veemacks7255 yeah was just a silly typo. Oops 🙈😂
Excellent quick overview
The head changed. They went from two exhaust ports to 6 exhaust ports. So yeah it’s going to flow better and have better heat management. All of this info is in the press material on their website.
love Ikepod watches much more interested in that than the updates on Supra lol
Would love to see a review from you of the last gen Audi TTRS. Thinking of getting a weekend car in this category. BMW M2 competition, 2021 Supra, Cayman s and TTRS is my favourite because it's winter half year round here in Canada.
The duck in, and duck out part is so true. I hit my head a couple times trying to get in and out of the supra. You may remember it sometimes, but for the most part you tend to forget it and hit your head pretty hard. Except for that, I found the car really spacious and accommodating for 6’ adult.
I honestly feel us 2020 owners will become the most remembered year model because it came out in such a controversal time. Also its not talked about much but I like the integrated header design. Every sports car i have owned, had a header start cracking at higher mileage. Somehow i think the integrated header design will stand the test of time better.
Once the ‘legacy’ thing blows over everyone will admit this car is awesome. Most people don’t own a Mk4 Supra and an M2, so they really won’t care. Collab cars have been around for ages and we forgive them in time.
Thanks for the honest review. I like the styling. I was never sure about the rest.
It’s interesting as all the other journalist reviews I’ve heard have loved this car, praising the suspension comfort for daily driving, the power, build quality, price point, etc. This is the most negative review I’ve seen, and I’m not sure I agree with it
The concept styling was so much better. Typical Toyota.
need to clean it up... in summaray mean they fix small problem...
@@Gandalf721 And I think that's an incredibly obtuse, flawed way to look at it. My baseline of car 's dynamics stems from a '97 Mazda Miata and a 2011 Mini Cooper. In comparison, a car with 2-4 times the power, torsional stiffness, and chassis dynamics of the Supra would obviously be superior.
I think the inherent value of a review from an automotive *journalist* is that they have driven literal THOUSANDS of cars, and can therefore make a much more meaningful conclusion than someone like me, who has driven about 10 different cars ever, and 2 with enough regularity to have some semblance of an understanding of how they are dynamically. There are other journalists whose opinions I also respect, who have more positive views on this car's dynamics than Matt Farah does. So that's all I was bringing up.
It's strange, because I watched the one take again, and Matt somehow makes the whole video have a negative undertone, despite praising it in little doses throughout. But I do agree with the video more now that I've watched it a 2nd time. I think the ending line is the best, where it says that its a good car, but it's not a good Supra.
Thanks for the honest feedback on entry egress, you are the only one I have heard share this reality for us tall guys.
Them roads and scenery look amazing
As long as the TTRS keeps having inline-5s, it'll keep being in my top favorites. This Supra is an easy choice and does a great job of being a sports car.
That 5 cylinder is literally one of the best sounding engines. Period.
@@BrendanEvan Agreed, heard it in person at a Porsche dealership selling Audi's also. It sounded just as good as a Porsche Flat-6!
“I’d rather drive the TTRS” now you’re just being rude 😂
Rude? More like nonsensical. It's a completely different price point and the performance is almost identical. A simple stage 1 tune on the Supra and you're faster and still spent $20k less.
@@wfujay3946 Mod for mod and the TTRS will be the quicker car.
@@wfujay3946 yeah, it was kind of a pointless statement. I'd rather be driving a Porsche 911 turbo...
yesss, both engines up for review. awesome.
Regarding the brake facade, I drove the 2020 Press car at the Monticello Motor Club on the track and it did have some brake fade compared to others in its class
Oww my neck hurts getting in and out of my Supra
It’s amazing how many things had to get revisioned and fixed when the car was hyped up and developed for the better part of the last decade.
according to toyota they want to keep sales up every year so they're adding changes
Shaiyan Hossain so they purposely sold a nerfed model. Got it.
3:20 a reason why i love my Toyota GT86, while the summer, i can drive most times with the window open. In windnoise, there is barely a difference between open and closed on speed around 60-65 mph
Excellent review thanks. Would have been nice if you rolled down the windows to give us an example of the highway turbulence sound.
it has new internals so that HP # definitely increased
Even with these changes, I still thinks it need s manual transmission. I will wait till them to buy one
Yes!
100% agree with you. This is a good sports car, but it needs the manual transmission to make a a GREAT sports car. The HP is good. the weight is ok, so because nothing pops as amazing, the manual would be the icing on the cake that it needs.
It’s never going to get a manual
John West - Rumors abound that it will.... during its production run. Maybe next year?
@@johnwest2986 coming soon!
I just bought a Black A91 edition love it coming from a supercharged 15 Mustang GT.. it
That's an interesting ratio you've presented Matt that 3000 pounds and 400whp yields you the sweet spot for overall acceleration.
One of my project cars has that exact same ratio and it is by far more fun to drive than my other two projects which have a little less power but same weight.
Of course anything can be fun with the right chassis dynamics (Miata, Fiesta ST for example), but having that power ratio really unlocks the max fun factor without the
liberal use of aero.
At least this is how I understood your observation.
The wind buffeting is an absolute deal breaker for me
It only takes a $170 for some wind deflectors to fix it.
The looks are a deal breaker for me. Thing is hideous
It may be a "simple" fix but is there any other car where BOTH windows are down and you still get terrible wind buffeting? One window down one up is to be expected. That occurs in virtually every car. My Cayman doesn't have that issue unless I have one window down. Even then I need to be going quite fast for it to become an issue.
It may be a sports car but its not a dedicated track car like a Lotus or 4C where creature comforts are sparce. They should be able to figure it out.
@@RumblesBettr i agree. i know its a good car and all but I just cannot get around its styling
There’s a bunch of aftermarket fixes on the market that fix the wind noise it’s just 2 little pieces of plastic that go in between the mirrors and the car
“You cannot drive this car with the windows down”.... who in the hell buys a car you can’t drive with the windows down???
Eskimos.
Lol 😂
I dont think its a big deal
You can fix that with a $5 part from Amazon. I think this car is great at its price.
It's funny I literally just saw a 2020 Supra on the road for the first time ever yesterday and it was a launch edition too.
Power bump is from the latest update on the b58 engine coming with a higher flowing high pressure fuel pump. This version b58 is also found on the M340i.
I ended up just getting an M240i. That car is extremely underrated. Same engine as this with a manual transmission. Great chassis. And cheaper?
Don't forget more practical and with optional awd in case you live in a place where snow/ice and occasionally very bad weather is a thing (switzerland in my case)
M240i is very underrated. Best sports car for someone wanting something that is both fast and a good daily driver. M2 Competition is more a track car.
@@AarmOZ84 Not anymore! New m240i is 3900lb curb weight with smaller rear seats.. BMW can build good lightweight cars as the supra shows, but they keep getting bigger and heavier.
@@stevew145 well m240 has a back seat and a real trunk - another reason why it’s a better car than the supra 😂
@@JPIndustrie but it has a smaller rear seat and truck than the car it replaces, and weighs 400lbs more some how. It’s simply not a better car than the supra. 600 lbs heavier! I have an m235i and never use the back seat. If I want something with back seats I’d get a 340i. Or just have another bigger vehicle. Also, the trunk in the supra is actually pretty big. More than reasonable
At 2:46 you can see the side bolsters already worn with scratch marks all over it. That is unfortunate and one reason why I dislike leather.
these media cars the company puts out sees a lot of use and abuse to say the least.
Matt would you take a 2nd hand Evora with the charge cooler over a new Supra?
These look so much better in the flesh.
I listened to the Rutledge podcast and I had the exact same thought. It should have been the Celica all along.
Bill Capetanos a new celica gt four would be insane, 4wd, manual and 300bhp and 3000lbs would be a nuts sweet spot
Wow never thought of this, you're absolutely right, it should've been a Celica, and then with the profits Toyota could've built a worthy Supra successor
100% agree. This should have been the Celica and then have a Supra as the flag ship. Toyota already makes the LC500, use that V8 in a sports car.
@@37robles Supras are not V8s. Celicas were 4 bangers so the 2.0T is the celica of the new supra
@@beexiong2995 Past Supra's were also not BMW's nor 4 bangers...
2:30 While wearing a tri-compax chrono... 😉
Bought an LE. Still love it and don't plan on getting a 2021. I was able to tune everything to my liking to where I make about 425hp with a custom Ecutek tune & downpipe. ALSO I fixed the wind buffering with simple wind guards on the panel between the mirror and the A pillar. Seems to me that Toyota kinda fooled a lot of people by saying they fixed things in the 2021 and can be easily fixed in a 2020.
It's crazy how many changes they made to the 2021 supra! We have the 2020 launch edition and low-key should have waited another year for the bump in power
Well. Their planning on doing the same thing next year(50hp bump + chassis tuning)so this'll keep happening till it's production ends.
Did they fix the main complaint? Or is it still a BMW?
I don’t understand the bmw complaint. The b58 is the best 6 cylinder turbocharged engine on the market right now. The zf8 speed is the best automatic on the market right now. Toyota decided to take the best things available and put it on their car.
Would you rather it has some shitty untunable engine or some shitty automatic?
@@LegendInThaMakin It doesn't matter if the b58 is made out of gold, its not a Toyota made motor period just like the rest of the car. I would rather it was developed and built by Toyota from Toyota parts with a manual transmission.. or not exist at all.
This car will end up like the stinger
I wouldn't say that. There are already some people wanting to do full comparisons with how will the 21 respond to mods vs the 20 since they're engines are both the same but differ.
Carboy Dorifuto party both the same but differ. Good one.
in what way?
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 I'm not saying the engine or car is bad. It just isnt targeting the market well, it's way too pricey, doesnt have any of that supra charm from the 90s and even if it's a good car, its ultimately forgettable and will disappear in time.
No way. Stinger is hampered by Kia badge and very weak aftermarket support.
For 2021 , they also added extra chassis stiffening bracing . Those 2 metal bars connecting to the rad support.
REALLY, my 2020 supra is still a good car. It handles better than the new and has more power for sure. I have mhd flash and make 430HP with nothing changed just a tune. My supra handles and has zero bodyroll with H&R Lowering springs. Fitment is on point and a 911 cant even catch up with me in the canyons. From a dig and a roll if u tune a 2020 supra it will still take on this.
The same goes for the people who bought a 2011 Ford Mustang , and thenthe 5.0 Coyote engines came out. Ouch .
The 2011 mustang could be had with a 5.0....I had a white one. It's the people that bought the 2010 model that got a bad deal
255 fronts 275 rear, pilot super sports. does not come with PS4S
Thanks, there is a correction to my tire guess in video description👍
With the 8-speed, it's pretty good
With a manual, which is rumored to come in 2022, it flirts with greatness
great review Matt, I honestly dont think previous owners got hosed, thats a tad extreme tbh. either way I have been considering the new Supra, however it might be hard to let go of my BMW m140i
Matt you gotta be stretching and working out more if that’s causing you to have Severe neck pain.
LOL
Well if you actually mimic how much he has to duck (6’3”), it actually makes sense. Go back and pause the video, its a wild angle to be ducking considering how many times you get in and out of your car.
I work out and stretch 7 days a week. I could not possibly work out any more than I do, except before quarantine when I was also doing pilates twice a week.
You did not mention a single "problem" that was "fixed". Wing buffeting wasn't fixed. The easily cracking front windshield still pertains.
Gotta call BS on the windshield- I had a rock hit me while I was at highway speeds that I swore would have left a crack or even a hole and there was no mark. They didn't fix the wind buffeting which is true... but fortunately there's a near invisible fix for $8 that takes about 1 minute to apply. There are C8s getting engine and tranny replacements in a couple weeks or months of ownership and every Supra thread I see people complaining about the wind buffeting, lol. I guess that means the car really has no issues to speak of, which is a good thing!
@@sly9263 Yeah my comment wasn't to talk down on the car, it was the exact opposite. There aren't any issues with it. I don't even consider the wind buffeting an issue. But there were a lot of windshield's cracking for sure.
Great video...thank you brother...
Basically what I get about the new Supra from a few years worth of input now from various car people is this; Is it a great sports car? Yes! Just don't compare it to the original. The only time this car starts to show real issues is comparatively. The old Supras still exist if you really care enough. But the fans of the old car also have to understand after 20 years a company has to change the car to be competitive and meet modern regulations.
Never buy the first model year of a car. This is the first car commandment
Maybe even the first 2 years if it comes with some weird new powertrain tech just to be in the safe side of lemons.
Always buy the last year. Most all the glitches are worked out.
Especially a special edition that costs more for no reason, Blackpanthaa got fucked
Well, I'd say Aston Martin with the Vantage and DB11 may beat out the Supra for releasing a car too early.
LeisureSuitSweatshop the vantage isn’t even too much more expensive, and for a much faster, high quality product I think Toyota may be too close to higher end competition
Ok
They cost more than the Supra.
Nice motor sound
Nice video! Where was this taken? Thanks!
2020 buyers got hosed ? Was that by chance from them trusting your glowing review last year of the 2020 Supra ?
Wow... the leather in that car cracked quick.
Yeah, I noticed that as well!
Fake leather with a 300pound guy don't mix
I'll be curious to see how this car holds up after 20+ years like my MKIV's did, that's a big factor to me when purchasing a vehicle especially with a Toyota badge.
There are already Dynos on TH-cam of the 2021, with 388hp at the wheels, so yes, they made changes and not just corrected the stated HP.
Regardless of whatever engine they decide to put in this now or the future, you can get a certified M2 for the same price as one of the leftover 2020 Supra. Which is the better long term buy?
So, what is a supra supposed to be that this car isn't? People always say that the new supra isn't what a supra should be, but they can never follow up with what they mean. I think the real question to ask with this car is; if BMW can build the supra at 3350lbs, with a factory LSD. Why in the name of sweet baby jesus is the m240i 3870 fucking pounds with smaller rear seats than the outgoing, 400lb lighter m240i!!!
The supra seems to be in a class of it's own. Now more than ever a lightweight, powerful car is hard to find or incredibly expensive. 3350lbs, 450 hp(in reality), front engine, rear wheel drive, good fuel economy, LSD, ability to fit massively wide tires on it, endless tuning abilities. If toyota would have made the supra a full Toyota "supra" it would be in GTR price territory. $100K+ likely heavier, bigger, and maybe a little more powerful but everyone would say "who is buying a 100k Toyota?!" "It's too expensive!" And they would likely still complain that it doesn't have a 2JZ.
The only thing I think they could have done better was the throw a 6 speed in it. I feel like that was BMW and not Toyota though. If you don't mind a 2 seater, and you're of more reasonable proportions I think the supra is the car to buy. I think what BMW has done here is shoot themselves in the foot. They can build lightweight cars that are fast and fun to drive, but they keep making bigger and heavier cars. Why BMW? In reality, the supra is the new z4 m coupe.
facts only!!
Not to mention line of sight out the drivers side, at 6’3” you have to bend down to check for right hand turns. Honestly better lines of sight in a Camaro
Blane Gray my wife hates the Camaro, one of her friends has one that she’s been in for comparison, and she said the same thing when we went to test drive the Supra (I was thinking it would make a good daily for her). The visibility for such a small car is sooooo bad, worse than a Camaro, which is one of the worst cars I’ve been in for visibility. Yes you can get used to it, but good visibility is nice. I had higher hopes for this car, sad that it lets me down.
@@joeracer302 I daily a Camaro, and I am not even going to try to defend the visibility in that vehicle. One of my coworkers has a 2020 Supra, I didn’t drive it, but I did give it a solid once over bumper to bumper. The two things that stuck out were the interior roof line and driver space. It felt as tight as any Miata I have ever been in, not necessarily unusable, but not comfortable. I feel like even if they did add a manual option it would be such a tight space to operate in that I couldn’t make it work outside a weekender/racer
I can't drive camaro's because of having to duck down to look out the side window. If this car is worse than that, wow.
@Green Giant This! All car designers must be really short because almost every single vehicle I've ever driven I've had a massive front right blind spot called the rearview mirror and I have to duck to see under, at 6'4" it's a huge problem
Is that a Ikepod I see? Nice 👍
2020 to 2021 from the power perspective, the 2020's have been so easy to make extra that the limiting factor right now is the transmission. Stock to stock the 2021 has it, but a couple grand into some parts and tuning, and you end up with essentially equal cars.
I wanted to love this car but i can't
facts
I love it and plan on getting one within the next year or so
People seem to forget that the McLaren F1 has a BMW engine.
@The Truth BMW designed that engine entirely not reworked by anyone. It was definitely a big part of what made it special.
No one forgets that. And they don’t have BMW engines now.
@The Truth ????
@The Truth It's an updated and reworked S70 motor aka the 850csi motor, with head tech from the E36 M3 S50 inline 6 motor which was new at the time. No if's and but's or ways around it.
@@TheSmokingTire what about Aston Martin with Mercedes engines? Pagani?
Hi Matt, Did you try rolling down both windows together, that's supposed to ""fix"" the window buffeting issue? It does seem to appeal massively to the tuner market though, do you think that is Toyota's intention? Also the styling definitely nods to the Mk4, even though it is based on a BMW so maybe they are playing on that nostalgia point. I kinda like it though.
Although I've only driven the 2020 GR Supra and did mostly enjoy it except for the lack of manual transmission, I can really see where Matt is coming from on this. This car is not at all true to the legacy of the mighty Supra name plate, and I do hope it's enough of a sales hit over its current run that Toyota may bring development of it back in-house for the sequel. Thank you for one of the most honest impressions of the car to date, and I definitely agree with your overall thoughts.