Should We Separate Art from Artist? | The Legacy of Hogwarts & Kanye West
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ส.ค. 2024
- Is it okay to separate the art from the artist? I think the Harry Potter series and its legacy contain some hidden secrets within the walls of Hogwarts that can help us answer that question.
This #videoessay is one that has taken a lot of thought and reflection to put together. Through the lens of the #wizardingworld, I discuss whether the brilliant work of some harmful people still deserves a place in our world. #KanyeWest #JKRowling
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro
00:15 The Magic of Harry Potter Is In The Words
01:55 Help Will Always Be Given At Hogwarts
02:13 JK Rowling Controversy
03:25 Kanye West Controversy
03:55 Can We Separate Art From Artist?
04:45 "No, We Can't"
05:19 "Yes, We Can"
06:14 Where We Draw The Line
06:49 The Legacy of Kanye West
07:43 The Legacy of Harry Potter
09:28 Final Thoughts - บันเทิง
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It’s pretty sad how some art that inspires others were created by not so great people. And yet, there are fans out there who now appreciate the Wizarding World in new and different ways despite the creator’s true nature revealed.
People tend to forget that Adidas and Volkswagen were created by Nazis
She tells the truth.. there are only men and women.. not hundreds of made up genders
I'm a trans man, and have been struggling so much with how I feel about Harry Potter. I love the series. It helped me survive my own abusive household. I have landed on the side of not letting someone take something that was instrumental to developing the person I am today. I do feel weird about it. I don't really wear any HP merch in public in case someone thinks that I'm transphobic, and I get a little wary around anyone that expresses that they love HP, but that's less about my love of the series and more about not being able to tell if someone who loves HP loves it because it was important to them or is using it to say that they hate trans people.
Your voice as a trans person and your opinions and your input on separating JK Rowling from the Harry Potter work that she created is more important than mine or anyone else’s. I’ve heard different perspectives from trans people, those who are brave enough to give up something that helped them find their identity because it no longer aligns with their values, and those who feel that the work itself has its own value to the trans community independent of the creator. I support opinions on both sides, and fully understand both sides.
It sounds to me like your feeling on the matter is that you can get behind the HP franchise to an extent. You’re comfortable engaging with parts of it, but not all. Is that fair to say?
@@MediaMattersChannel I think that sums it up really well actually. I'm willing to engage with the series by reading the books and watching the movies (both of which I already own). I'll probably even buy the game and my partner and I are talking about going to HP land at Universal one day, but I don't really consume anything new like the Fantastic Beast movies. I'm also just wary of people in online spaces specifically that are really into the series but really only use that as a flag to search for transphobic beliefs. I know it's probably a weird line to draw, but it's what works for me.
I'm of the mind that anyone (trans or otherwise) can draw their own lines and decide how or if they want to engage in HP. I don't fault anyone for not wanting to give it up or for completely wiping their hands of the series. It's a complicated issue with a lot of complicated feelings mixed in there. The books and movies were deeply important to a lot of people and the retoric I've seen from some that you should "just stop engaging with it" really undervalues just how much a piece of media can help someone.
People Harry Potter has Nothing to do with her Transphobic Views🤦♀️ You Can Still Enjoy Harry Potter while Also Condemning her Views
Yes, so long as we don’t keep financially supporting them, if they created a positive thing that is in the public domain, I see nothing wrong with valuing their creation
@@technoloverish Tell me Would you buy Jeepers Creepers on DVD Knowing that Victor Salva Writer and Director of the Film is a Convicted Pedophile? Would you Watch a Woody Allen Movie knowing his Past? Would You Watch the Cosby Show Knowing what Cosby Did? I Think Even if Cosby is Dead his Work would still be shunned from Cable Networks and Streaming Platforms
Love videos on this topic, I find it hard to justify my continued love of Harry Potter with how rotten JK is. I can’t help it though, it was my childhood. There’s a reason so many dumbass millennials have the same horcrux tattoo and I can’t judge because I am one of them lmaoo
I suppose it would be somewhat like if a Nazi had created environmental regulations that got encoded in to law, I’d greatly value those regulations but still wouldn’t want anything to do with the Nazi
@@technoloverish idk if that’s the same, JK is going to be gaining money from fan consumption of Wizarding Worlds for the rest of her life, she is already enormously rich, and will use that money to support anti-trans groups for as long as she can as she already has been. Her being one of the most well known authors and an Icon of English culture and her being very vocal about being such a ridiculous transphobe can’t be ignored when the situation of trans people getting the healthcare they are legally required to get from the NHS has been getting worse and worse over the years as this anti trans rhetoric has risen.
Legal regulations aren’t normally associated by name and by culture with the people who wrote them, especially as the time since their legalization grows, nor do their estates continue to gain money from that regulation being written. Nor does continued support of the regulation necessarily empower nazism. It’s also a icky situation, but how comparable the two are is pretty limited and I imagine would lead to more confusion than clarification if using it as an example in conversation.
I would say it’s more like Roman Polanski being both a still highly acclaimed director and a confirmed pedophile and how the acceptance of that and continued praise for his work may has lead to some excuses being made for people like Jeffrey Epstein. Or Roald Dahl being an antisemite. Or HP Lovecraft being an antisemite and a racist. Supporting them directly led to them creating more art, potentially bolstering their personal problematic opinions, as well as lining their pockets to make financial moral decisions based on said pedophilia, antisemitism, and racism.
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To me something feels wrong about an author having no control over their IP. How can a corporation like WB just get that. Seems exploitative tbh. If this was another artist I would feel so bad for them. Tired of Rowling’s bigotry though.
As for Ye. I believe he is severely mentally unwell. This is not the real Ye. In my opinion. I’ll go back to his music once he receives medical care and gets the help he needs. Anyone platforming him at the moment is exploiting someone in a mental health crisis and it’s absolutely disgusting.
Love and tolerance for the masses; hate and bigotry for the elites.
great video that I resonate with very much. you should have more views and subs!!
Kanye is still a talented musician. Mbdtf and Yeezus are good. You can seperate the art from the artist. It's that simple. Yhandi is also a masterpiece too despite it being a unreleased album.
Can you please make a video explaining what exactly JK said that was wrong?
Kanye's (terrible) statements have been much more black and white, but I'm having a harder time clearly understanding the issue with JK's statements. (No I'm not defending her. I'm trying to learn.)
Among a lot of other random and weird things, she dead names trans people and said that trans women aren’t women.
@@MediaMattersChannel man...that's....wow...
This is a great effort and the intention is wonderful, but as a trans person this comment - along with the characterization of jk's actions/words in the video - just broke me a little bit. Like, the bottom dropped out of my stomach and I got light headed for a hot minute.
I don't want to be that guy and shit on an ally who's making honest effort to explore a difficult topic, and with the intent to be supportive (especially now), but dude i think your research on how rowling's transphobia has affected trans and queer people - and how it continues to affect us - is seriously lacking...
Like, the juxtaposition between how strongly you rejected Kanye's antisemitism versus how tacitly you dismissed Rowling's bigotry was...jarring. Absolutely surreal. Dozens of new anti-trans legislation efforts across the us and the uk, armed fascists storming through every drag event, bomb threats to kids hospitals, murders, violence, families with trans kids forced to move to other states or other countries to avoid *criminal prosecution* for being loving parents, being called "groomer" by every maga jerk, being forced out of jobs....i mean jesus dude, did you look into this stuff at all? We were all literally gathering in groups across the country just two weeks ago for the annual remembrance of everyone in the community who died in the past year - an event we get to have *every* year, to remember *hundreds* of trans people. And this year we got to do it the day after a fatal shooting in a gay bar in Colorado. 😔
Whatever you feel about separating art from the artist is your opinion, and that's fine, but please don't produce content that downplays the very real harm done by this person and this kind of rhetoric. Rowling still has a platform. She's still writing and selling books. She's heavily involved in politics. And those things matter.
Sorry...I'm just so tired of being reminded that for whatever reason, the general public discourse around vile, hateful, dishonest language that targets a marginalized identity usually gets a pass when it's directed at trans people. And I just don't understand why.
I'm happy to help if you want it. There are a few really good videos from trans creators that do a good job of breaking it all down and explaining why it's so harmful, I'd be happy to link them.
There are a few videos that might be helpful, but in a nutshell she's been actively promoting beliefs that contradict the general consensus of the medical/mental health community and directly harm trans people, promoting gender critical propaganda. For example, according to rowlkng, as a trans man I'm just a confused and traumatized woman who's mutilated my body and become obsessed with doing terrible things to children. Which, i hope goes without saying, is a bunch of weird, vile nonsense with absolutely no basis in reality. But that doesn't prevent her followers from believing it, lock stock and barrel...and she still has tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, of followers listening to her. Millions if Twitter is to be believed.
Anyway it's a lot, so these are long, but they're well done:
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@@elijahcumpton9926 Absolutely, please share those resources.
To answer your question yes, I’m aware of the danger that the trans community has been placed under and faced with and I’m sorry I didn’t address it in this comment thread as I addressed it in another thread, though admittedly not to the extent that you have here (which I appreciate).
What I’ve learned about how the trans community has been responding to this topic is that the Harry Potter franchise empowered many to find the bravery and acceptance within themselves to come out, to transition, or to fight back against the type of evil and bigotry that is out for blood, especially in communities where they have found very little external support. At the same time, the creator of that very same franchise has made trans phobic remarks that embolden that same harmful transphobic platform. Which is why in the video, I address both sides of the argument and why I demonstrate the impact of both. There are many trans people who would be dead without Harry Potter, and there are many who face harm because of the transphobia that Rowling contributes to.
The good from the HP franchise and the media around it that demonstrates tolerance and acceptance for the trans community does not outweigh the bad that it’s creator contributed to, and Vice versa. Some find the acceptance and bravery that is needed to be themselves in this work, and for some the opposite is true. Both experiences are equally valid.
My goal with this video is not to say which is right or wrong, my goal is to present a framework through which we might consider the relationship between art and artist and to what degree that work might contribute more good to the world at large compared to the bad that the creator has wrought, and where I draw the line is not an absolute or morally perfect one and as a trans person your experiences and opinions on this matter are far more relevant and meaningful than mine, this is simply where I consider myself comfortable drawing the line relative to the good and bad that has come from Rowling vs her work. However, I would be happy to create additional content that more extensively dives in to the harmful effects of transphobia in order to more properly represent that if you feel strongly that I’m undermining it. However, I’d prefer to lend any platform I have to an actual trans person in that case.
I really appreciate your contributions to this conversation for the benefit of both myself and others who read these comments to continue to learn about experiences we do not live ourselves.
@@MediaMattersChannel huh...I posted a comment to respond that had about 5 videos linked in it, but it looks like it's dissappeared? Will repost as soon as i can. Sorry! I appreciate your time and attention, and I had no intention to leave you hanging.
Um, do you have any source for Rowling no longer making any money off Harry Potter? Because as far as I’m aware that’s completely untrue. In fact quite recently, someone asked her how she sleeps at night knowing what she’s done to trans people and she responded by telling them her royalty checks help ease her conscience
So no, I think she’s not disconnected from the Wizarding World. I’m sorry to tell you but if you pay for Hogwarts Legacy, that’s A) Benefiting Rowling and B) supporting a story where her blatant antisemitic stereotypes (the goblins) are a primary antagonist trying to take over the world.
That’s not what I said. What I said was:
“As far as the IP goes, sure, she will continue to make her nut off of anything Wizard World, but the work no longer truly belongs to her… she sold off the rights to Warner Brothers for the IP, she doesn’t make any additional money when you stream Prisoner of Azkaban, trust me the $11 a month I make off of you watching and subscribing to my channel is more than Rowling makes off of your HBO Max subscription.”
Translation:
She no longer has a seat at the table when it comes to her own creation. Sure she will make royalties, but the rights to make Harry Potter content and imbue it with transphobia or antisemitism have been sold away, it’s now owned by fans and Warner.
And in reference to streaming the movies, again she sold off the rights already. She doesn’t make any money off of your HBO max subscription.
@@MediaMattersChannel right, and as far as I know that’s untrue. I don’t think she sold anything.
@@adammyers7383or, hear me out, THAT’S WHAT GOBLINS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IN CLASSICAL LITERATURE!
@@Case2_0 YEAH AND THAT DESIGN HAS ALWAYS BEEN ANTISEMITIC
Oh yeah, and Rowling also PUT THEM IN CHARGE OF THE BANKS
@@adammyers7383 it existed in cultures long before they were introduced to any Jewish peoples.
So are you woke or not? Trying to know if I need to unsibscribe. I'm off to see if I can find Ben Shapiro review something.
If you’re someone who needs to toe a political line, go ahead and unsubscribe. There’s no agenda here, you’ll only find humanity & the analysis of it through film and television. If you can’t process that human issues are not black and white political issues, I don’t think you’ll enjoy my content. I go way more into the complexities of these topics, not political talking points.
Oh boy. She "literally" said something, did she? I can tell this is going to be an "educational" video.
Feel free to watch something else, no love lost.
@@MediaMattersChannel lol oh indeed, I tapped out early
managed to not throw up for the couple of minutes I listened, though. I think that's a plus
@@Jagar_Tharn I’m sorry I couldn’t make you throw up. I’ll try harder next time.
Sort of taboo but J. K. Rowling did nothing wrong unless voicing an opinion which is as of right now still valid. The entire “cancellation of the harry potter universe” thing is idiotic and part of a very obvious authoritarian political skit
Being transgender isn’t an opinion it’s as biological as your sexuality. One example of this that is commonly accepted is that sexuality is biological, like being straight straight or bisexual .
That’s not to say that anyone denies sex - a common misconception is that “trans people think sex doesn’t exist.” That’s factually not true, no trans person will deny male and female sex. But gender is a social construct - the simplest way to explain it is when someone says “pink is a girl color” we can all agree that’s a social construct. In a similar way, “man” and “woman” are both social constructs. You do not refer to a female deer or dog or any other animal as a “woman.” That is because the concept of a woman is a uniquely human social construct through which we identify a person, and those people can receive gender affirming surgeries so that their phenotypic attributes reflect their gender identity.
You may not think it’s harmful because you’re not trans, but if you’re not a trans person, then it’s not your place to tell them who they are plain and simple. say that denying transgender identity is an opinion is the same thing as saying you can “pray away the gay.” It’s just ignorance and creates a transphobic environment that causes safety issues for trans women and men who face threats from others as well as higher suicide rates. So it is harmful
1. Yes, we should separate Art from Artist.
2. JK did NOTHING WRONG.
3. Kanye has always been a bonkers variety of nuts. I don't understand why this is suddenly news. Honestly, Kanye as an artist is much more interesting (not necessarily in a good way) than his art.