ALIEN COVENANT (2017) Everything Explained + Prometheus Connections
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- Everything Explained for the new ALIEN COVENANT starring Katherine Waterston and Danny McBride. There's surprising connections to Prometheus plus a lot of new mysteries to dig into that hint at a much larger series mythology being developed.
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What we all learned watching Alien Covenant is that Fassbender is one incredible actor
agree
Tbh it's the only legitimately good thing from Prometheus and Covenant.
He's really good at making me hate anyone that he plays on screen
"That appears to be a vehicle."
JPGotzBeatz Amen to that..
anyone else feel the Shaw and engineer storyline was wasted? I really wanted her to get some answers.
kluna i know right?? Shaw couldve done more and couldve been the new lead of this franchise. Im just disappointed that they never got to use that built up potential for her character but who knows in time they might be able to clone her like they did with the alien movies
kluna Well we can only blame ourselves.The first plan was to make a Prometheus 2 but because of the hate Ridley made Covenant which is a good thing and follows Prometheus nicely but most of the ideas like why did the engineers create us and stuff like that were scrapped
He literally set up a massive storyline that died with Shaw - it was so cheaply done and really embarrassing.
Don't worry, you'll get another 2 minute short and a flashback in the next movie!
kluna yep. What a waste. Shaw and the engineer storyline were the best things that came out of Prometheus. She went through hell in Prometheus and suffered a disgraceful offscreen death in covenant. Such a tragic waste of potential.
I actually didn't think those were engineers. I've always assumed it was just another humanoid species they'd engineered. So when they saw the ship they assumed that was their gods returning.
Totally - not smooth skinned, not pure white, not black eyed... just a shame it was decided to have them all being bald. :)
@@JoeCovenantLamb “Only one species can have a sick nasty ‘do. The power is too great to be disseminated.”
- The Engineers, probably
@@IntrusiveThot I just imagined an entire race of engineer type species doing a wave check all at once
They created the engineers and they are superior, just how humans created David.
Ridley Scott has pretty much confirmed that.
One thing I hadn't noticed after the first watch, was that Mother, the ship's computer - never responded kindly to its crew and in some instances (Tennessee dialogue requesting to go near the storm) even outright ignored orders from the crew.
At the end of the movie when Mother responds to David after asking her to play Wagner - she says "Yes, David. As you wish." It is the only time in the movie Mother responds this way.
Perhaps it's some sort of machine to machine connection or understanding.
Now that you mention it, that's a super cool observation. Too bad it was wasted. The franchise needs to move past synthetics/robots/androids though. 2001 mastered that concept on its first try, even after all these films - Alien barely scratched the surface.
David
David: Covenant
Davids
David 3
David: Resurrection
+Ivan Kalazic You forgot Davidieus.
David vs Walter ?
David vs Walter 2: I'll do the fingering
Greippi10 David vs. Walter 3 :fucke me in da bum
Pigug the shadow aaaaand you killed it
David didn't help them at the end. He was studying the alien to see how well it performed in a live combat situation. Closing doors and forcing the alien to adapt. What appeared to be a sigh of relief at the end when the alien dies is actually David's show of disappointment towards his "perfect organism" being killed by humans, and realizing he needs to do more "testing".
I interpreted it as David needing Daniels to do his experimentation on. Similar to what he did with Shaw, I imagine David planned to do with Daniels. He needed her to survive.
@@Gavolak But Daniels know he's not Walter. Its too risky to let her know the truth, right? Also, why he let Tenesse too... They both can killed David if they have opportunity.
@@bbudimanalqodri he can wake just her up and then easily overpower her or administer drugs to keep her unconscious. I guess he just sees Tennessee as another body to experiment on
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What or who set David on this path?
"There is no life what so ever". Shows a planet full of vegetation...I feel like the crew really could have been waaayyy more excited about the fact that plants existed in an alien planet.
Life as in birds, buggs and stuff
That scene where that chick accidentally blows up the ship is hilarious.
She so stupid
Bruh 7/10 that would be what most of us would do. Unless we are like the rock from doom, you would panic quickly.
@@distone2480 you're not wrong though. Most of us would've panic fired too lol
and blowing up would be a preferable way to go too
Hi Venom
@@eyesofstatic9641 hem she actually died by burning to death, so it’s not preferable at all lol
I think David waits and helps the crew because he knows the real prize are the 2000 frozen colonists he can use to experiment.
I don't get why people don't see this as being about the only reason David needed. Seriously.
Álvaro Prieto David was testing his creature. if the alien couldn't beat Shaw and Tennesee then it wasn't the perfect specimen.
Álvaro Prieto yes! that's what I thought it's not a far stretch to think it, it'd make sense he just go along with them to get them asleep and take over
also he needs a big army to conquer next engineer planet.and will do this until he proves himself to be better than a whole engineer race
yeah and he even said he only cares about creation, not death
1. Never trust the android.
2. Never bring on ship a person just got hug by face hugger.
3. Stick with the fucking plan.
"Stick with the fucking plan" was the first priority to being with. The other rules you've mentioned are all led by rule no. 3. They should've sat their asses in the ship, fix whatever is damaged and the sleeping pods, and go to their destination they were supposed to go, whilst still having a trustworthy robot.
Yves Heinrich lol I agree, They should've never went to a planet that they couldn't detect before. Not to mention the creepy human singing a song on the hidden planet. A place humans shouldn't be. I would've done as you said. Fix ship then leave.
You forgot add the point of learn to run left or right instead of trying to out run an entire ship lol( referencing Prometheus and silly charlise Theron lol) "bad spelling I know"
Yves Heinrich Yeah, they should've listened to Daniels
Bullshit,you are going through space,unaware of any extraterestrials and then you hear a human song in comms,on a planet that is almost perfect for colonisation? No one would refuse to go there and investigate,it is in our nature.Other then that,it was stupid to risk entire ship for 2 humans and an android.
So,send an expedition,if they do not return,do not risk the lives on board.
Shaw was the original alien queen. Her eggs were mutated by David using the black goo into the facehugger eggs. The facehuggers were essentially "sperm" that carried alien eggs that "fertilized" their hosts with an alien that developed inside their bodies. That means Elizabeth Shaw started the xenomorphs and her DNA would be present inside all future xenomorphs as there had to be some mechanism that made facehuggers produce queen eggs, which then produced more eggs. Those future alien queens would have Shaw's DNA, too.
I'm quite sure that's not true. It's implied David was creator of the species due to his meddling with black goo, but Engineers had images of both Queen and regular Xenomorph on the walls of their ship on LV-223 before Prometheus ever got there. David could be the creator of human-derived xenomorphs, but considering Engineers created black goo as sort of bio weapon, it's entirely possible they in fact used that weapon on some other species, and have in fact seen xenomorphs that those species produced. It's actually pretty likely that the entire purpose of black goo was to create a xenomorph population that would eradicate life on a planet, then die out, preparing worlds for Engineer colonisation and experimentation, and every species infected by goo would produce their own unique kind of xeno, but the end-point of goo would always be some form of xenomorph. At its base, xenomorph is simply a black goo creature that combined with some extra genetic material from some other living organism. So pretty much all xenomorphs are the same at the very base, and all their different mutations are simply effects of that extra genetic material from different species combined with bare blueprint provided by goo.
Wrong 😂😂😂
How so?@@o.c.g.m9426
In Prometheus they make it clear that Shaw can’t have children so idk about all that
RIP Shaw 😢 she was such an interesting strong character !
@@vimalcurio she didn’t but she was stupid enough to get into that situation
Plot twist: it actually is Walter and he's just playing a prank on Daniels.
StairWayTo7 lmao
It's just a prank bruh.
REX ! David OFive
Prank!?! that kill's
its a social experiment Bro!
David Episode 1: The phatom David
David Episode 2: The David wars
David Episode 3: The revenge of David
David Episode 4: A new David
David Episode 5: The Davids strike back
David Episode 6: The return of David
David Episode 7: The Davids awakens
David Episode 8: The last David
Lmao.
The David
The David 2: Judgement Dave
The David 3: Rise of the Flutists
David: Finger Penetration
David: Tryafyst
first two are classics but the sequels failed to land with audiences...
Hustle Tha GOD Rouge David :bring me the tea David
Don't forget Rogue David
David solo: a David wars story
David helped the crew kill off the proto-xeno because his focus was on the two eggs that he had smuggled aboard inside him. He didn't care to help the alien because his ultimate goal was to continue his experiments on the passengers and the crew after they went into hyper sleep. This is all part of his whole god complex thing.
Eh not really, it was more to do with revenge because of how everyone had treated him ( Shaw's man, Mr. Weyland and his daughter ) I mean, they really treated him like shit in the 1st movie, Walter was treated way better than David ever was, at least the crew treated him like he belonged whereas David was treated like a damn Pariah, Shaw was just an unfortunate experiment because he had actually loved her but his curiosity got the best of him, even said it in the movie, I don't think David even really considered himself a " God " but more of Scientist hence why all the experiments
@@chrismeyers5963 that's not true in the slightest! he literally said to mother to play god entrance to Valhalla or something, yes he had a god complex, did you even watch the movie! even if they didn't treat him like sht he would still do it, because from the very first scene David always had sinister conscious
@@samanthasmith61 Uh yeah I did, apparently you didn't because their treatment of him only exacerbated his behavior but hey say what you will and it will always be hilarious and no, he didn't start having a " God complex " until the 2nd film when he tried to say a quote and got corrected by Walter, I have both films so yes, I've watched them but nice try at being presumptuous lmao
@@chrismeyers5963 you aren't very bright are you? but nice try
@@samanthasmith61 Apparently much brighter than you but I won't continue to argue with a girl, now go sit in a corner with ya dunce hat and be quiet, this conversation is over lol
Was hoping for something a lot more like Prometheus. There was a cool opportunity to expand the Alien universe beyond the xenomorph even more.
The tiny little aliens came from Shaw, basically when her squid baby split out of its sack it spilled fluids all up in her and she slowly got sick, David thinks she may be infected and freezes her he then realizes that there's no way the engineers will help her or even allow them to live so he kills them, then tries to heal shaw but her xeno cancer has spread too far, so he tries to mutate her to heal her but that only killed her faster, David then looses his shit because now he's killed the only person he has ever truly loved, he couldn't heal her after she healed him, he realizes through his delusion that this is because humans are weak, they aren't built to last like an android, he then begins to study the cancerous little Xenos that killed Shaw and how they were able to thrive despite being actively attacked and killed, since shaws body is the only organic matter left on the planet he wishes to use her body to create a perfect organism, one that won't die on him, and who better to give him this gift, to make him Prometheus, but Shaw? He does love her that's why he made her a garden, but her body is only flesh, so he may start on her organs, eventually moving to the reproductive system where he would make the eggs. So when he was asked if he killed her he laments that he did, because to him failing to save her was killing her, but in order to create one must destroy, he loves his xenos not only because they are his children but because they are also shaws children, so shooting a Xeno to him would be like shooting his child with Shaw or even Shaw herself.
jacob lydon wow that's deep
This thing was better than the whole movie.
Maybe, and that is why he said the Virus would attack food, but the humans would be food.
Now that's good. Maybe it'll make the final cut if enough people spread it
You should just make the next alien movie Bruh. This shit bout brought me to tears.
Dr. Elizabeth Shaw was an excellent upgrade to the whole franchise with her strong personality, her storyline and could have been a memorable character. So of course, what do they do? Kill her off right away. So disappointed.
The Actress was interviewed on that subject,
and since the prometheus script was censured "Alot" because of religious connections to Cristianity, since the Engineers had a religion, and it was linked to Shawn's belief's, the Director opted to put David on the Center Stage,
but it was intended originally that she would have been a new Ripley, but now it's David's Story, linked to the Bladerunner's Series, to avoid further script censorship, and maybe the whole series being cancelled!
Alien 3
Here and Now 27 I know right Shaw was favorite character from from the movie
@616e6f6e Chinese Market
Why send someone on a mission who clearly has mental issues about her parents and he inability to have children, let alone her reckless behavior, who writes these scripts?
I saw Alien at age 15, loved it. I don’t know why Prometheus gets such grief. I really loved it too. I thought the Engineer was great, David and Shaw too!
So if David knows Walter’s codes because he transferred his knowledge to himself, wouldn’t he also know about the cabin?
Maybe it’s not that he didn’t know about the cabin but choose to, in that moment, while should couldn’t do anything about it, basically tell her her life is lie and he’s not Walter, he’s David by sayin “don’t let the bedbugs bite” … like I feel like when she asked for help to build the cabin David’s face just looked like he wanted to say “bih I ain’t helping build shit but a new alien foh” js
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"You Blow...I'll do the Fingering..." -David
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TheMinarus thanks but N O T H A N K S
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he was uploading is software to Walter ... he had to be distracted!
I feel the biggest misstep of Alien: Covenant, was eliminating Shaw's character and relegating her storyline to brief flashbacks. Rather than answer more questions about the engineers, Shaw, or David, we were fed the old, tired body count routine of poorly developed cast members similar to generic horror flicks.
Or you know, disregard all that nonsense and just have a movie version of the comics. The one with Dr. Church where he lives with the aliens for a while, doing what they want until he eventually finds a way to sabotage the already sick hive and escape. From Aliens: Labyrinth. th-cam.com/video/NTJQ2RD0Y2c/w-d-xo.html
Vernon Modglin i actually dont mind the mindless crew-killing parts so much as them destroying the mystery of the xenos that it seemed they were building up in prometheus.
@@dark666razor Having Dr Church story-line before the Earth invasion wouldn't make much sense, but I see your point. Although I can't agree with the assesment, that all of the prequel stuff is nonsense. I love the depiction of engineers, it works design and lore wise. And they are much better than the weird elephant overpowered creatures that are supposed to represent the 'comic's version of engineers'.
I think that's the third movie. I hope.
They could have done a trilogy with the second movie being about Shaw and David's journey. Shaw definitely deserved better she was a great character and I feel like alot of people wanted to see how her story panned out.
David didn't want Daniel's to die because he wants her to be his new shaw, he was honestly relieved when she popped her head up and he saw she was not sucked into space.
Wayland Corp didn't send anybody to look for Wayland because they thought he had been dead for years before he left on Prometheus
I love how these “deep dives” are never really deep ties they just narrate what happens in the film
I get that and I feel like your right in that way about a lot of his videos, but I feel like he really went in depth with this one.
Watch "stories of old" channel their video explains the philosophy snd science, as well a religion.
I just show up for the comments for answers for the same reason
James Franco's cameo in Alien: Covenant is stranger than any other
His story line was longer, but his harassment if women came up; forcing them to make his cameo short, and losing him the oscar for that other movie .
His cameo in Wicker Man (2006) is pretty stance as well
@@SuperDerp5 Ah makes sense! But I bet the bastard still got paid.
@@jacimitchell7628 Is it worth a watch?
@@jacimitchell7628 What about his cameo in the green hornet lmao
Wait, I never saw that prologue scene with shaw repairing David in alien covenant in the theater
well it wasn't there, so no wonder! that part was only on youtube.
that stuff should have been the whole movie. not just another action shootout
Its like wtf we never got the full story hate watching commercials
I always thought that the black spores (which may be liquid or not, depending on atmosphere) probably interacted differently with different life forms --- and David studying Shaw's body was because the engineers ended up dying from the spores and not mutating the way having a human host would lead it to.
I was intrigued by Prometheus while not fully understanding some of their choices upon first viewing. After watching it a couple of times I wanted them to expound and build upon that origin story. If they committed to that instead of caving to fan service Alien Covenant could have been one of the best in the Alien franchise. Instead, I've only seen it once.
Majority of viewers aren’t the sophisticated type that enjoy deep and complex storyline’s , they just want alien action/killing and a typical horror film it’s just sad
@@TURTWIG094 unfortunately that's what sells more
It's much better on a second viewing. On the first viewing I spent so much time waiting for Shaw to come into the film, or waiting for some Prometheus tie in's. And I ended up extremely disappointed. On the second viewing I knew more what to expect obviously, and I took it for what it was. A simple Aliens film. Sure it didn't have the groundbreaking lore I wanted it to have, but I did enjoy it much more the 2nd time around after knowing what to expect. I also appreciated the intricate differences between Walter and David, and Fassbenders incredible acting.
Honestly I don't necessarily mind the concepts used in the films but they don't really feel like they belong in the franchise of Alien, I think thats the main complaint.
Also I doubt the story is that sophisticated.@@TURTWIG094
Just like Shaw, we'll never get the answers we want
But she already asked the fucking Engineers in PM and it went crazy and killed her crew. That's the point: she'll never get an answer from them. They made life "because they could" and "curiosity killed the cat" is mentioned in Alien: Covenant. Therefore it's fucking obvious that Shaw basically deserved to be murdered because she asked these questions in the first place.
Remember on the ending of Prometheus, Shaw and David resumes on their supposed mission to find more engineers for answers instead of returning to Earth.
And Shaw didn't ask the engineer, Weyland shut her down and ask the Engineer for more life (the true purpose of the Prometheus mission), pissing off the engineer
Oh wait I missed your point, sorry
And you see the engineer snapped and tried to kill David automatically because he noticed David was A.I and was far to capable with very little sense or morality. Shaw shouldve known something was up w David from that very moment.
David is emotionally unstable cause he wasn’t meant to have emotions, he doesn’t know how to cope with them and he is extremely unstable because of it
So he’s more human then he thought.
Kinda like telling HAL to lie in 2001.
I think he has the god complex
Thanks captain
@@mansenclockworx8215 obviously, and it’s because he’s incapable of coping with his “human” desires in which he wasn’t even meant to develop in the first place so they blew out of control and made him what he is.
"You thought it was Walter but it was me David" try saying this in Dio's voice
Kono David da
David kept the crew alive because he needs living host for the alien embryos and other experiments. The illustrations and detailed blueprints makes me feel it's implied in the movie. I know, don't think about it too much because the thoughts become beyond terrifying. I suppose that's why the Alien series is so amazing!
Weyland was already “dead” according to the rest of the world, no one knew he was still alive when he showed up on LV-223.
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There's no one else on youtube who explains and review movies better than you do! Keep up the good work.
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good work. it makes sense that maybe david didn't actually have to kill shaw himself. shaw's health was in decline due to the black goo....
Daniel Nguyen emergency awesome but hes TV would love if they did a collaboration
I watched half a dozen other videos on this topic and none of them even came close to his analysis and theories. Like Daniel said, best on TH-cam!
Daniel Nguyen that's true
What happened to Shaw is SO disturbing.
Sean Rourke I wonder what he said to her before she died?
Sean Rourke And his going to do the same shit to Daniels, and her knowing that before going into hypersleep is fucking disturbing. Personally I loved the movie and the ending cliffhanger just added to the movie.
ava ruth Hopefully that is explained in Awakening
Sean Rourke it was awesome
the sheer unrelenting darkness of this movie makes me love it so very much. alien movies aren't supposed to be happy or end well.
Why does everyone keep referencing one citadel as being the whole population of the planet? That would be like saying an attack on los angelas is the equivalent of wiping out the population of earth. The entire rest of the planet "paradise" is virtually unexplored. There may be thousands more citadels located all around the planet.
They could have done the same thing many times. Also I think the spores could spread maybe. We dont really know, since these aliens are everywhere. Maybe they have several planets where they are divided on and the "people"thats left concentrate on one area because its more efficient.
The spores spread and killed everything.
hated the movie as soon as all these "smart science folks" just started walking about in a brand new planet without a suit or helmet. like....wtf?
You are mixing up Prometheus and Covenant. In Prometheus the crew were fancy science folks, in Covenant they were merely a settlers with a mission to build a new colony. It actually makes sense how dumb and careless they were.
Yep I agree. An what’s with the guns?
@@Mieqo i listened to Ridley Scott's commentary on the blu ray. He specifically points out during the opening scenes that the crew are all top of the line, highly intellectual and inteligent people and all had to earn their position on the Covenant mission.
The no helmets stuff is just retarded, lazy, no two ways about it.
This movie sucked so much. Ridley has lost his goddamn mind.
@@Mieqo
With the way health and safety is at the moment in Australia. And how the Mars colonial program personnel are.
There is not going to be anything like this happening. The investors, scientists and engineering specialists in first. Acting like they could build a settlement, let alone a dog kennel.
How do they know if there isn't an unidentified contaminant? convid-20000?
The landing team, would protest like mad. If they are volunteers.
That's the end of my opinion on no.
Here's mine on yes, they would do it, like that.
If they aren't volunteers, but are an indentured slave workforce, working off sentences. Then yes absolutely, they would do this. They would want out of the ship to start a new life. And either, want to be a founder of the new settlement, run for the hills, burn it all around them and laugh, take over or do nothing.
I am in Hr in construction.
All depends on societies rules at the time.
Anyone else bothered by the fact that they didn't wear any head gear going onto the new planet? I get that they have crazy technology to see if it's safe to walk around in, but just for the mere fact that you could step on something and activate an airborne virus is hard to detect from the ship (wtf do i know tho?)...? This was an entertaining film, but it didn't really have much substance, imo.
In the novelisation, David tells them _why_ their biohazard scan failed, and this IMO mitigates their failure in this regard. Their failure to find the ruined city and the associated crashed ships is another matter; there's a plot-hole you could fly the _Covenant_ herself through.
The most odd thing is that they just landed on a planet with zero or almost zero living organisms/animals.
Scans should be able to catch that at least.
Like if it is a planet suitable for the life on the same scale as the Earth with a person known to be there then there should be life. At least several billions of species. Yet it is empty as fuck except for flora.
There should be a scene where they land their ship and go outside in protective gear to make some scans and test and then go outside without any protective gear.
It depends on what your scans are calibrated to pick up. If they are calibrated for biohazards, this generally only means "Are there harmful or lethal micro-organisms here?", which to an investigative team doing a quick look around for a "distress signal" is all they need to know before deciding on spacesuits vs. what they actually wore. If you are doing a complete survey for all life, that's quite another matter. The computers are just computers - if you ask them an incomplete question, they will give you an incomplete answer.
Clearly if they had managed to get back to orbit without disturbing or becoming infected with anything, a heated argument would then have ensued regarding the planet's suitability for settlement, but I suspect we would have had Oram on the "It's empty, it's perfect, let's set down" side and Daniels on the "Fuck, no; not without a comprehensive radar map of the entire surface" side. That would have revealed the dead city, crashed ships, possibly even corpses etc. (depending on how good their instruments were), and that's the point at which they ideally report their find and then hightail it the fuck out of there to their original destination. If you ask me, they ought to have waited for the storms to clear and done a decent surface mapping before they even sent the lander down, but I'm not the scriptwriter so what do I know?
The first reason to land is Shaw's signal - arguably justified. The second is to have a general look-around and assess as a potential diversion for colonisation. They have a damaged ship and a dead captain, and Oram is probably desperate to get his 2000 colonists on the ground and rid himself of a responsibility he never really wanted rather than have to spend an extended period in space with multiple further jumps and risk the same thing happening again. Such is his reasoning and perhaps it is justifiable, but his approach is rushed and lackadaisical - I would not have sent anyone down without spending at least a week in orbit doing a full ground survey - and if weather prevented that, the best option would have been to leave.
Do we really know how powerful their scans are? I mean, the Alien franchise always had this low-tech sci-fi aesthetic to it (Not so much in the newest movies) I mean, in the originals, everything was green CRT monitors and stuff, it's an awesome aesthetic that I absoloutely love. But I mean, how can you really scan for 'harmfull micro organisms' you can't. Don't even know how you could ever scan for lifeforms either, closest thing I can think of is infra-red, and that's not exactly a foolproof plan.
Also, realistically, the chance of anything on another planet being able to interact with humans on any level is insanely low. I mean, it takes millions of interactions between man and animal for us to get diseases (Where most plagues came from, and why they only came from Large cities in Europe)
So from a different planet? NO chance. Though of course, we know that the Engineers had a hand in the game, but I don't even think that humans have encountered ANY aliens at that point in the movies.
It's a bit since I saw the movie, and my memory isn't the worst, I don't remember all the flavour text dialogue. But Yeah. You can't really 'scan' things so easily. Especially with interference. Storms, you don't know how the magnetic field there works etc.
I will agree they could have taken more care though. They also should have been a lot more on edge about any potential harms, like when someone starts seeming sick, your first instinct should be "Space malaria, quarantine now!"
I couldn't help but notice that in the first scene when David plays Entry of the Gods to Valhalla on the piano, his father says "its a bit anemic without the full orchestra" and then in the final scene when Mother plays it in the incubation area its the full symphony.
The concept from Prometheus had so much potential to give rise to an intricate movie universe, but its sequel and the movie's own story pretty much set it up for failure. I would have loved to watch this unfold into an action/adventure series with a GOOD story.
The merging happened in 2099. Prometheus is in 2093. Covenant is 2105, Alien is 2122, Aliens is 2179. These are the only canon movies we have as of now. Weyland Corp didn't search for Weyland because he went into cryosleep in secret. Everyone thought he was dead, very few knew of the truth. The Prometheus was a scientific expedition funded by a man thought to be dead. Why bother looking for it. The covenant was a colony mission 9 years away from earth, and that's with the Yutani Company faster than light speed hyperdrive. So, looking for them they couldn't afford. Face it, being the first wide spread colony mission, the covenant was a gamble. The company just wants to make money, capture the Xenomorph and the black goo for weapons, and make sure that human colony's will continue the human race so there are places to go if the company screws earth over.
Jacob Arner i agree with everything but what about Alien Resurrection? where does that fit in same actors.
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I feel like most people focused on David and his nuances that don’t quite match up but most importantly is that David has a way of working with the Aliens and clearly shows that David has a deeper connection with the developing alien embryos. David’s strange mess of emotional confusion causes him to create a more agressieve and primal form of life while with a form of emotional connection (aka Daniels) makes a large difference in how he works on his “perfect organism” leading to the creation of a more malicious and intent creation that while he plans to make a perfect creation there is a mix of emotion and human person to make the very malevolent and stalking alien that was seen in the original movie
wait..so franco is dead before the movie begins? the fuck?? then why even have him?? I can only wonder at the cost to get some of these actors...
Rob Birk yeah, he only appears in a short video from an ipad xDD
Rob Birk he has a presence in the prologue set before they sleep but that was cut from the movie
They also had Patrick Wilson in a very minor role in Prometheus.
they filmed more with him but it was cut out.
Having Franko die like that, is another layer of metaphor that Ridley to showcase the parallel to the motif of creation in the movie. (Destruction, which arguably really is what "creation" is all about in Alien Covenant)
Alien should now be called robot
Alien is basically a comeback from Terminators unsuccessful Skynet by moving on from 1 robots error.
Alien franchise was never really about the Alien.
Leonidas Pereira Haha fuck you Alien apologists are sad.
Idk why but 11:57 thru 12:07 made me think of the movie "arrival" with the tear drop ship and the floaty black goo being the circle language.
"David stabs walter with a flute, walter, unlike david is able to heal himself, leading to a *waltercation*"
Moral off the story: dont freaking leave earth.
Never get out of the boat!
@616e6f6e Actually, about A.I. Do not attempt to make your own creation stronger than you are.
then try to put it back together - fly less, eat less meat and recreate less (we are locust)
@616e6f6e yeah who goes on a unknown planet without a proper gear and i dont know why a colonist ship had to underatke such scouting missions like just report it
@@regular7156 You can make them superior but dont give them Emotions or try to make them more human...Its a Master-Servant Relation at the end why you have to give them emotions they just need to follow orders
Dude, I was laughing all the time with your awesome description. Like, the movie is good but now that I hear you narrate it's a lot of fun
Excellent at reviewing horror flicks !! 👍🏻Awesome bro KEEP it going
I dont think David knows what hes doing. Much like the Engineers, hes creating life but will soon regret it. It's even foreshadowed too. The neomorphs bow down too David, however, the Protomorph, sees David on the computer screen near the end of the movie and attacks him regardless. Davids reaction even shows that he is shocked that his baby did that. The 1 human emotion he does not understand is doubt. The creature he just created is much more animalistic in thought. It does not care about its maker and is only a hunter (Much like the Xenos.) So what I think will happen is, David Creates more Protomorph's, only for him to loose control as he does not understand why they don't bow down to him (Maybe he thought he could teach them) and this leads to more procreation between them eventually leading to the birth of a queen Xeno (The only thing Xenos and probably Protos listen too) making David Jealous and wanting to destroy his creation (Again, just like the engineers and humans)
This movie is a prime example of what happens when a director gives into his fans demands, despite his fans not truly understanding the directors intentions with the movie’s lore yet. Ridley mapped out a great story about creation and the engineers, that would’ve most likely provided very philosophical and dark reasonings behind not only humanity, but the xenomoprhs as well. But he scrapped all that at the response of Prometheus, and gave the fans what they wanted: more Alien gore. What a wasted opportunity for something that could’ve been amazing.
Ikr I actually don’t like the other alien movies. Prometheus and Covenant gripped me good and I wanted answers to questions I never had before. I don’t care for aliens running amok on a ship I want to know about DNA evolution and creationism
I think it has more to do with Riddley beleiving his own bullshit......all this esoteric for the sake of it is ruining these prequels.
And on the other side of the spectrum you have GoT S8, Dexter S8, HIMYM S9
Ridley did not wanted to have more aliens in Covenant but the studio demanded it because of the lack of it in Prometheus
I am not sure that most fans wanted more alien gore. I think most shared the Saw's character's need to know, and were far more curious with who the Engineers were, and how they were related to mankind's creation. I think that most fans, especially those who were fascinated by the film's religious implications, felt themselves cheated when they realized that the Shaw Character would not be included, and that a host of other characters, who had not experienced her ordeal nor her ambitions,, were suddenly introduced. Also that instead of getting to the answer as Shaw had hoped, they were introduced to these disgusting mindlessly violent critters rampaging about again.
God bless you, sir, for explaining these 2 movies to me with more meaning and depth.
I think they tried too hard to expand the movies universe, and now there’s too much to keep up with
Foundflix.. you got it backwards.
The wheat originated on the Engineer planet, and they brought it to Earth for their creation to be able to grow food. Didn't you notice how that wheat is 3 times the size of our wheat? And then there is the whole symbolic biblical stories with mana (grain) from the heavens, ancient aliens teaching humanity agriculture, etc etc...
It's kind of a symbolic scene but that seemed to have gone over your head...
My2Cents Yeah, the von Däniken shit in this movie is what completely turns me off. It's directed by an anti-science conspiracy nut, for anti-science conspiracy nuts. Personally, I like my Science Fiction to have some basis in science.
My2Cents
Yup
My2Cents engineers didn't even create humans, try again.
VOID I bet your a liberal snowflake❄ so go back too your safe space
Well if David took Walters data and codes he would have known about the cabin, right?
more like I feel like he hijacked and deleted walter from his own body and transfer himself to it
I think its just a way he let her know he is not Walter cause he is a sadistic fuk and enjoyed it
+Darren Matthews Walter heals from small "injuries," David does not. You could see he had a small tear on his face, even if your theory were true, the Walter body would have healed the cut
This is why i struggle to like these movies
That actually makes sense. More than assimilating the chip, cause the chip would have had the cabin reference. So just playing a body snatcher, that wouldn't have it.
Loved the explanation
Over 4 years later and I love this movie more each time I watch it.
I still get goosebumps when she realizes he's David, that was a great scene.
David is, without a doubt, the most interesting character in the entire Alien franchise.
The Film Effect Best Android ever besides maybe Bishop.
comics, books, games and novels included. david is rad.
+The Film Effect, the franchise now has it's fully-fledged Mary Sue! How interesting (not).
The David/Walter interactions were the best parts of the movie
Nah, the guy shouting "It's game over, man! game over!" from Aliens is the most interesting.
This was awesome... Probably my favorite franchise of all time... Great work man! One little thing you forgot to mention!!! When David coughs up the facehugger embryos, he looks at one and mentions plans to create "my queen" aka the queen alien from Aliens! What do you think?!
I like how Ridleys idea of storytelling now is … ‘Hmmm, what should I leave out that might be crucial’
From the moment i saw the movie i have been asking the same question. Why the f*** does an androids hair grow?
NRGdrink he has growing abilities. you can see walters arm growing back and david tries to grow back
wtf?
NRGdrink me too xDD
NRGdrink I'm guessing it was part of the attempt to make androids more human like, as stated in covenant and Prometheus.
Herb Coswell no after death hair growth stops for humans
David impersonating Walter is classic "evil twin" plotting. Saw it coming right away.
Could be worse. THere might have been a: "Shoot him, not me!"
LOL, true true true... I read somewhere that Ridley Scott intended for the viewer to suspect it, so mission accomplished huh
David Gloden same
Love that theory!!! I love that we get a new story.
Loved the beginning, it kept building up and building up just for us to be given more of a movie about David than the actual aliens.
there is no life, but there's wheat...
wheat=plant
plant=life
You're that guy that gets everyone killed because you had to clarify something...everyone knows he meant life forms like deer, rabbits, grasshoppers....life that could pose a threat.
@@MastaSmack 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yes, I know Sgt. Daniels shouted "OPEN FIRE!" but I wasn't sure if he wanted me to shoot my weapon, or if he had spotted a fire out in the open somewhere...by the time I figured it out it was too late...
Not just wheat. There are other plants. I think its addresed in the movie that the goo mostly afected animals (including engineers) but not plants. It had efect on fungi as it made those fungi-spore-black-goo shits
Sentient life🙄
I've enjoyed both Prometheus and Covenant, but I have to say, the idea that the xenomorph is an artificial creation seems antithetical to what I always took away from the original Alien film. As I understood it, the point of that movie was that the alien is an example of the horrifying things space might be capable of producing; humans having become the apex species on Earth after numerous extinction events, our intelligence, culture, and morality is probably pretty rare. Most dominant species *would* be more like the xeno, not the Engineers or most other sci-fi races.
Fallout Junkie Yes, it is a disappointing and unsatisfying revelation. But we live in an age in which people don't like mystery, and are happy to "fill the gaps" with invisible sky wizards (or alien master races) and intelligent design... rather than accept the (perhaps more mundane) explanation provided by evolutionary biology. But evolutionary biology is complicated, and too difficult for the illiterati to understand, as demonstrated by their frequently misrepresentation of what "evolution" means. See the very first scene in Covenant for a classic example.
Wait, you got it all wrong from the first movie! From the first movie we KNOW that the Alien is a bioweapon. He isn't natural, he's a weapon of mass destruction.
Duuude, how can you get something to backwards?
He wasn't ranting. What he said is rational.
CJ P He just said the truth dumbass.
But we also learn that said weapon of mass destruction, A.K.A, the parasite, can evolve. Also, don't forget that the Xenomorph including its primitive versions in the prequels are all not intelligent species. Just carnivorous.
Early in the film, it's stated that when recalibrating mother, both her and walter need to sync. When they get off the planet near the end of the film, they have to recalibrate Mother, and the ship android. If David did transfer his consciousness into Walter, he clearly didn't get Walter's memories. Resyncing with Mother is how he got the codes.
Best Explanation of the last 2 Alien movies by far!!! Others have done good job but this is far above the rest. It would be hard for the actual writers themselves to explain better than this.
I don't think the facehugger infected Lope like you said, even if it was on him for a second. When Lope, Daniels, and "Walter" get on Tennessee's ship, "Walter" takes the patch off Lope's cheek and places another one on him. I like to think "Walter" placed something on the patch and onto his cheek wound to infect him.
Cambo 99 exactly what I think happened!!!
Cambo 99 he gave him a shot
But you need David's facehugger to get a protomorph. The only thing that could David give him would be black goo or black spores but that would create neomorph.
And if you would need just something so small and unnoticible to create protomorph then there's no point in creating ovomorphs and facehuggers.
then why did the proto come out of the chest..?
Cambo 99 David had a alien embryo in his mouth and spit it in his throat to infect him. 😭😭😭
I never really wanted the aliens.. The prometheus to me is just great. The storyline of Dr shaw and finding our creators is just so beautiful to me.
JovansLyf exe yes I enjoyed it
David is looking for them for ya...
My friend God is our Creator, but the movie did seem to progress a little faster than it should have, the spores to full fledged alien seemed really fast.
And who created the so-called creators? :0)
@@ssdivizion You go to math class, you hear about infinity, you don’t question it and accept it as the word. But for some reason when it comes to God as a creator why are you all of a sudden questioning the likeliness of an eternal/infinite being?
Fantastic video, I'm super happy to have stumbled on your channel. In my opinion the Black Goo deconstructs the Engineers down to a cellular level. This is how they are able to seed planets with life. So I believe David just straight up dropped goo on them, and dropped it into their water supply. In my opinion, the Engineers are most likely a fungal organism, and drinking the goo, or otherwise coming in contact with the goo causes a reaction into another animorph. (Spores/molds/mushrooms). The Engineers are like mushrooms and the Goo is like mold. I believe they are genetically connected. And when these two organic organism contact each other, they react and mutate, causing a spore-like state.
I really like this take
engineers are not a fungal organism
Shaw and David are the only things that truly made this movie great. I know people saw Shaw as a makeshift Ripley but she's legit a breed of her own. I always thought she'd be the humanity that equalizes David
David is David at the end. not Walter. Walters model would’ve healed itself. David’s model needed the help with staples and shjt.
Which should have tipped off Daniels right there. It's just one of the countless plot holes in the film.
@@supermonkey321 I wouldn't really call it a plot hole because Daniels was never shown to have knowledge of Walter's self healing abilities and even if she did know about it there's probably some kind of draw back or limit to his healing or David never could have defeated him.
Daniels was shown to be suspicious of David in that very scene - checking which hand he’s had amputated etc!
You know I didn’t even notice that when I saw the movie when it first came out. Thanks for pointing it out! That’s a great point
David got stabbed in the chin during that fight towards the end but then at the very end on the ship he had no mark or wound or anything. That never made sense to me.
I heard a theory that believed David might have implanted his personality into Walter's body, essentially taking him over. This could explain how David was able to impersonate Walter so quickly in Covenant, as well as how he gained access to Walter's security codes for the ship.
i also think this was the case.
I agree. It would also help David to "Self repair" thus avoiding his body being damaged like in Prometheus and needing someone to repair him.
He could technically live forever
I would like to believe that cause that sounds awesome if David did do that but one thing... In the movie where “Walter”/David was putting stables in himself to close his wounds that weren’t even that big when they could health up easily since they were small anyways why would he need to do that when Walter could repair himself, and if you look at his hand, it looks cut off not burnt, because Walters hand was burnt when he punched that alien in the face and the acid destroyed his hand making it look burnt, instead at the end it looks like it was a clean cut not all messy looking, so it was David all along and Walters actually on the planet still which sucks. David probably killed Walter but before completely killing Walter, David took Walters chip and that’s how he got the codes... But that doesn’t explain how he didn’t know about the cabin, if he took the chip then wouldn’t he get all stuff about the cabin? And wouldn’t he get updated to the version Walter was at?? Like become less human and then he could have the healing or repair ability? Not sure on how to answer those....
Then why didnt his face cuts heal?
@@renrarity7392 probably movie mistakes. No movie doesnt have em
Problem is that in Alien, the eggs contained facehuggers that produced Xenomorphs and the ship was piloted by an Engineer. It shows that the Xenomorphs were made by engineers, not David.
I lost the whole point after ‘Aliens’.
Should've left it there
i really loved prometheus and hated what they did to shaw's character :/
Prince Lotor I know, you'd think after all that backlash with newt in alien 3 that Ridley would not kill off a main character from the previous film off screen for no reason :/
Prince Lotor I KNOW. My heart dropped to see her that way... He mutilated her :'(
Get Rekt Shaw
I was bummed to see shaw had died :(
The 2 scenes we got before release was not in the movie, thats where they really fucked up.
i knew david was going to kill walter as soon as he cut his hair and made himself look like walter. This also would tell you that he planned on taking the ship from the beginning.
niasen yeah that was something I didn't like about covenant.it was very predictable
niasen that's not necessarily true, I think he cut his hair in the beginning to make Walter more comfortable to pursway him to stay with him or to turn on his crew
No shit
This made my week.
i've never understood that if david created the egg and xeno as we know it in later films, how does that connect to the derelict on LV-426? how did those eggs get there? that ship looked like it was piloted by an enineeer and looked very old. and if i recall correctly, Dallas may have even commented on the body looking fossilized. Alien 1 takes place only 20 odd years after this film.
These movies shouldn't have been prequels
the only thing i really noticed while watching the movie was when the captain shoots and kills the adult white neomorph with about 5 bullets but when they're getting attacked by a newborn neomorph earlier the whole crew must have shot the thing atleast a dozen times and it runs away???
MOVIE LOGIC
John Chapley if you see closely the captain first shot is where the heart is, after that one of the bullets hit the head. the other new born neo-morph was shot more yes but everyone was freaking out and I don't think they landed lethal shots on it.
Maxwell Sope
Exactly, we dont know where and how their organs function, and when he did shoot the neomorph, it was standing upright allowing easy shots to the vital organs, however when they shot before he was hunched over, protecting his front body
Maybe its newborn form is more resilient?
They did shoot and kill the one neomorph that bit off Walter's hand once they had a clear shot. The second smaller one was attacking and on top of that one woman so they couldn't get a clear shot before David shot the flare and scared it off. Plus it seems that many weren't such good shots and probably clean missed the second smaller neo.
David: Covenant
fucking accurate 😂👌
fucking accurate 😂👌
Corben pretty much
🔥🔥😂👌 damn that be tru
While you would initially think that death would be the most efficient use of the black goo. The fact that it can be dropped in an airesol form and then the result is not only large scale casualties of those in contact. But also a side effect, hostile organism that will hunt those outside of the affected area. Makes for a very nasty "Fire and Forget" weapon. And giving the Engineers the advantage of only having to attack the planets inhabitants once
The “fan” reaction to Prometheus is what ruined this movie. If y’all had just left that man alone and let him make his movies, it would have probably made more sense .
Ehhhhhh
Listening to Ridley Scott in interviews I don't think he has much of a concept of what makes sense himself anymore
Both of these movies aren't very good with or without a connection to each other anyway
@@adamdavis1737 correct. Both were shit films and he (Ridley) should’ve simply stepped aside to let Blomkamp create a better follow up to Aliens instead of him investing time into these supposed prequel films that ended up being utter trash.
@@c00lhand208 Prometheus wasn’t “shit” by any means. It’s the lack of follow up or building upon that’s shit. If covenant was done anything near what it should have, it would have only boosted Prometheus’s story. Instead, it made it hollow and unbounded to the timeline.
Anyone else wanted the xenomorph and the neomorph to face off
They did, the movie just didn't show it. Read the novelization, it's in there,
Cody Evett who won?
preachy Mink if I remember the xeno did. Point of it was to show how dominant the xenomorph was in comparison.
xenomorphs will win...
i would rather see the xenomorphe face off against the protomorph
I just wanted Walter to survive and David to fucking die.
After watching this video I’m hoping they make more movies about the engineers
the fact that the black goo broke down engineers was already established in prometheus
If David had implanted Walter's chip to gain his knowledge and ability to heal; would he have known about the cabin talks Walter had with that one chick? 🤔
unless the chip only provided him with limited date or had to reformatt for the transfer
He doesn't know about the cabin, because the lady panic when she was going to Hyderabad
Wait but how does an android's hair grow
chloe flagler-hess android is half human half robot so there’s definitely some parts that are organic
@@deodatlawson8877 Oh my defination of android is a robot that looks like a human, and cyborgs are usually part human and part machine, but this sci-fi so whatever lol
it’s a fucking robot nigga you can program it to do whatever you want (growing hair, growing parts) whatever
Nerdddddddddddds
He got that weave, yo.
GOD I LOVE THESE BREAKDOWNS!!!!!!!!
Hands down the best Movie/series explanation channel in all of youtube
Foundflix is the GOAT of this TH-cam Genre
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My favorite is the one on the left of the primary guy wearing a hat
Man your channel has BLOWN UP! Congratulations Foundflix!
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