Fun Fact: The song “La Llorona” that Emelda sings is actually a song. Story: When my mom heard it in the movie theater she started crying because my deceased grandma used to play that song and sing it to her.
I like Coco's message. It fools you with the message of "Follow your dreams, be who you want to be" but instead later tells you "Sometimes there are more important things"
Roach DoggJR I’d say it’s more the ones you love or care about. For example, Hector wanted to go back to his family and Ernesto, his close friend, wanted to follow his dreams and went way too far in his pursuit.
me and my friends (one of which was mexican) had time to kill at the mall so we decided to go watch coco and the mall theatre just to pass the time, and right before the movie started my mexican friend starting talking all this shit about how he was gonna cringe so hard at the movie and how it was probably gonna be insulting towards his culture, but let me tell by the first 25 minutes of the movie, my guy just sat there in silence and was just completely engrossed into it. when we finished, this guy had the biggest smile on his face and would not stop talking about how incredible this movie was. when he went home, he told his family who similarly thought Coco would be bad to watch the movie the very next day, and why all loved it.
My boyfriend cried when he first watched the movie, and he told me it looked just like Mexico and Coco reminded him of his grandmother who passed a couple years ago. He still cries actually when we watch it.
My Mexican mom adores “Coco” and she says it reminds her of her old home. Also, Papa Julio looks like every older Mexican dad/uncle/grandpa so Pixar really did do their homework to make this movie work.
Wow, I'm polynesian and now I wish Pixar had made Moana. There were a lot of things that came across as inauthentic when I watched Moana and I could tell it was made by pakeha/palagi.
Mama Coco looks exactly like my great grandmother before she passed away, from the dress to the braided pig tails. Because of that, this movie made me feel like I was Miguel going through this adventure. It made the ending so much more emotional for me.
my family also loves Coco and we all screamed when we saw Ernesto being literally a homage of one of the oldest and most iconic artist: Pedro Infante, it just shows how much research there was and it made us all feel so giddy and happy even when the ending made us cry!
the broadway feel in moana probably comes from the fact that the guy who wrote the songs (lin-manuel miranda) also wrote hamilton, in the heights, and 21 chump street.
Great songs true, buuut if I was to be cynical: Hamilton was really popular around the time along with other works by Lin, so most likely a whole lotta people knew him. Possibly Disney using him to rake in more audience?
Yes. If you want defined muscles, you have to eat like that. Proteins, etc, you know, workout diet. Maui looks like he has a lot of muscle, but isn't defined as hell, because he isn't on a workout diet, he's just chillin' being super buff
@@mariejoseph8929 what about 101 Dalmatians? They did that one back in the early 2000s and I think it went pretty well. (Except I still haven't seen the original cartoon, so I'm probs not the best judge)
@@virginiasultana3654 I think he's talking about the recent ones, like Lion Kind, Dumbo, Beauty and the Beast, etc. They just feel unnecessary and usually never add anything to the original besides the live-action visuals.
@Cactus Juice Yeah no, totally. Will Smith was a total beast, and didn't try to copy the excellent and perfect performance of Mr.Williams. Which is great, he ended up actually being the most likeable part of the movie.
Big Difference... Disney: Believe in your dreams… While going on a fantasy adventure with cute sidekicks and living happily ever after Pixar: finding yourself… While living in a cold hard reality mixed with finding simple pleasures/adventuresin every day, normal life.
As a fellow greek man I can agree that Hercules isn’t that accurate and my biggest gripe with most representations of Hades is that he’s often portrayed as a bad guy but in mythology he’s actually one of the better gods. He does his job and doesn’t fuck around with mortal lives nearly as much as the rest of the pantheon. That being said Hades is fucking hilarious in the movie and is the best Disney villain ever. 10/10 would love for James Woods to be hades in the live action remake we will eventually get. Just give me a line incorporating the word Malaka from Phil and give me a lamb Souvlaki
@@hailpickens2454 he really is, but does have his limits. Idk if you’ve read the Percy Jackson books but that series has probably the best representation of Hades.
@@zerotohero1483 Percy Jackson books are one of the most accurate representations of greek mythology on pop culture, but it still have it's fair share of slips
Pixar: "Let's create a beautiful movie full of emotions" Disney: "Let's create a beautiful movie full of merchandise" Illumination Studio: "Let's create merchandise"
Can I just say I really, really, really don't get this guy's obsession with that crab? Everyone I know (myself included) were completely turned off by that chracter - I, for example, was watching Moana on Netflix and literally turned the tv off when I saw it, it was just really awkward, cringy and childish. I don't say this to denigrate anyone's opinion, but Moana and that character have been getting SUCH A HUGEEE mention and honor from this channel that I am really perplexed from - when did he explain why it was a huge cinematic feat? Never, yet on every single video he mentions it as one of the greatest Disney films ever. PLEASE EXPLAIN!!
"overweight" Yeah nah mate, that's actually just functional muscle. My boyfriend is a literal lumberjack and he has a build p similar to Maui's, just a hair taller. Homeboy can launch me like a toothpick. That brown face costume is def a big ol yikes tho lmao
@@froggy9822 It's just a visual representation of him having inhuman strength. It doesn't matter if he doesn't look exactly like in the original legends.
@@SirQuadrat i mean, i get what you're saying, but it kinda does matter, since they are pulling Maui from polynesian culture, and probably could have represented him and other stuff a tad better
@@SirQuadrat There are a lot of way to portrait inhuman strength without making him looks like Incredible Hulk man-pregnated Wreck-It Ralph then dropped the baby face first on concrete floor.
The petals in Coco were gorgeous, and that's just my favorite part of the animation. The water in Moana was awesome, and Moana's hair not to mention. Both are very lively and fun stylistically speaking, but I will always prefer Coco
Absolutely! Moana and Coco were both amazing to me because of the astounding visuals. Also being someone who has attended many funerals, Coco had me really emotional by the end of it 😢 but it was so worth it!
Miguel's abuelita saying he's as skinny as a stick and demanding he eat more is 1000% my abuelita so that alone gave Coco points for me. I also found it very nice to hear the random spanish they threw out just as a bilingual family would do.
yeah but i can see why maui could be seen as a stereotypical islander, as a samoan person it honestly doesn't really bother me although i can see why other polys have a problem with it.
@ Pretty sure Disney just changed it so if you googled "Kuzco" the first thing that would come up is the character rather than the city. I don't think a major corporation working on a movie would accidentally misspell it.
You also got to take into account that these two studios, although they’re the same company, have different target demographics. Disney primary target demographic is children and they’re secondary target demographic is teens and young adults. They use bright flashy colors and extremely catchy songs that appeal to children a lot more, while also having a few underlining themes and somewhat deep story that appeal to teens and young adults. Pixar’s primary target demographic , on the other hand, is teens and young adults while they’re secondary target demographic is children. They have extremely deep story’s and a lot of underlining themes that appeal to teens and young adults, all wrapped in a colorful cartoon, with a few upbeat catchy songs throw in occasionally, which appeals to children.
The scene in Coco where Miguel says that he doesn’t want more tamales and his abuelita gives him the “do not reject my food” face is pure gold Happens all the time!!!!
When he is about to sing to the mariachi and his abuelita starts beating the guy while saying sth like "stay away from my miguelito pequeñito angelito" i just lost it
Omg yes. Am not even Mexican and I can relate. In greece we have the classic " greek grandma™️" . She will make u eat anything she makes. You'll gain at least 10 pounds after visiting her
@@InquisitorThomas i meaan, Hades did kidnap Persephone, but thats not the worst thing a greek god has done. I think actually Zeus is the most evil one. Like literally! He took fire from man, he fucks women disguised as animals, their husbands or something else. He's an awful god.
@@littlebitches more like Persephone was curious and fell down a hole and ate food even though she was told not do or she'll be in the underworld forever (except every spring?? I think) ... at least that's how I have always heard it
Inquisitor Thomas I wouldn't say it's poor, if you came into a Disney movie expecting a serious historically accurate retelling of anything, you've come to the wrong movie. They are inspired by stories and cultures often, from Hercules to Hamlet, and then have a lot of creative liberties to build their own world and story from. It's not lazy or poor quality, it's just focused very differently, has a different motive and for a different audience. It's definitely not a historical movie because it doesn't want to be, it wants to be its own canon, in the same way Pixar goes "what would toys do if they were alive" Disney went "what if we made Greek Gods alive in a jazzy "kiddy" mix of past and present culture, how would they act and how would it change?" Though in part I would agree about one thing- they can learn a little more about cultural representation both real world ones and generally building richly communicated ones into their film (real or not), but every film seems to be getting better
Honestly, me too. I watched Moana and had a good time, but I only saw it once and it didn't elicit any particularly strong emotions. I watched Coco and loved it. The music, the characters, the world, and the character growth. From a scared 12 year old who learns to place his family above himself, to a jaded wife who overcomes a century of hatred. It was so unique, and I cried like a babe at the end.
I feel the same! Coco was emotional and sweet and I felt like almost every minute of it was a treat. Moana, however, didn't do much for me. I had fun with it while I watched it, but then promptly kinda forgot about it. It didn't leave a big impact on me like Coco did. Schaffrillas mentioned all the reasons he didn't like Coco as much as Moana, which is totally fine. Different strokes for different folks. But I didn't care about the things he mentioned because lots of comedy is not a make or break for me. I don't mind more serious movies. And I didn't mind the "lack of tension" in the start because the movie was using that time to establish emotions, character interactions, and a lot of beautiful scenery and culture. I loved it.
@@lostkin4910 flushed aways a classic film wys, managed to showcase key parts of british/mainly english culture in a good tone with pretty decent humour. yeah its a rat who got flushed down the bog but its still a quality film. theres probably others that are a better showcase but in my current film experience flushed aways the best one ive found
Coco got Frida Kahlo wrong. She was not an ego maniac. She painted what she felt, and if she felt like her ex husband only liked the Mexican side of her, she would paint that. I found this on "The wounded deer" "At the lower-left corner, the artist wrote down the word "Carma", which means "destiny" or "fate". Just like her other self-portraits, in this painting Frida expressed the sadness that she cannot change her own fate. Frida used her pet deer "Granizo" as the model when she painted this portrait." She also had a pet deer and at least one monkey!!
@@carmenmercedes9903 yes she’s extensively including herself in her own artwork in the movie but considering the weirdness of it all, it doesn’t seem like something that her character is doing to make herself look good. Looking like a cactus or crawling like a bunch of spiders isn’t very flattering. So instead, it just comes across to me as eccentric rather than egotistical, as i said before. Plus, her being nice to Miguel and being willing to take feedback from Miguel makes her character seem kind rather than narcissistic. At least, that’s how her portrayal personally felt to me
Just wanted to mention that, while Lee Unkrich did direct Coco, the story came from Adrian Molina, the co-director, who is Latino and was inspired in part by his own upbringing and experiences when he created the story. So to say that Coco's successful representation of Mexican culture was thanks to research on the part of Lee Unkrich isn't quite accurate. I think it's also worth mentioning the emphasis that Pixar puts on the idea that "the best stories are inspired by real experiences." Adrian was inspired by his own experiences and culture, which, in my opinion, is why Coco is so powerful, genuine, and of course culturally aware. Just wanted to throw that out there :)
@@koro8gin True, but it's also Disney and this was prior to Jojo Rabbit, so he likely couldn't take as many risks as he did with Jojo Rabbit. Anyway it's ironic for folks to attack him for "normalizing fascism" when he's a mixed-race Jew who works for Disney, probably one of the most hated demographics by fascists.
@@koro8gin He didn't actually write the movie, though, he wrote a draft early in development and left the project. There was a Polynesian advisor group which is cool but it undeniably not exactly a Polynesian story, it's a cookie-cutter Disney story
@@pridemoth_ as a maori person I can confirm to you that this is a polynesian story, everything down to the 2000 year 'long pause' in voyaging was accurate to polynesian history and culture. Just because it was written by a white hand doesn't fault it's accuracy, the original story was written by a maori man, and different peoples of polynesian descent gave their incite towards the oveall making of the film. Honestly notice how the only people advocating for cultural accuracy within moana are non-polynesians. Of course these films aren't going to follow a 100% true story, these are Hollywood blockbusters. I don't see the same people complaining about the obviously made up story of a young mexican boy going to the afterlife to meet his deceased family.
I've never got the complaint that Maui is shown as supposedly overweight. He's not. He's shown as an enormous caricatured tank of muscle. He ripples those muscles frequently throughout the movie, makes the tattoo character dance as he hops his pecs around. And he's directly modelled on The Rock's grandfather. Look him up, he's basically exactly the same but without the tattoos. They tried to really make Maui look awesome. Maybe some people interpreted it differently from how they intended, and maybe the caricaturing didn't quite land, but they weren't trying to make this deity of Polynesian culture out to be a fat lazy slob by any means.
@Psy Duck For real, like my faincé is definitely on the chubbier side but I've seen the man lift an average size refrigerator by himself, squishiness doesn't equal strength lol
From what i heard mauis bodytype was more natural body muscle mass than ripped body building, and he also looked similar to the rock's granddad who was also a strong guy (i think it was grandpa not 100% sure)
I thought it was cool that Disney portrayed Maui with a different body type than what you would typically associate with a physically fit and strong person (slim waist & defined muscles). In all reality, those body types aren't nearly as strong or have the amount of endurance than someone like Maui would have.
I have actually cried every single time I have watched Coco. I'm not a cry-person, at all. But still. Every. Single. Time. Remember me is just too powerful for my manly finnish soul.
I love this comparison! I'm half Samoan and was so excited to see Moana, and while I like a lot of things about it, you're absolutely right about how Polynesian culture was pretty much just a tool for Disney to say "see? ~Diversity/cultural exploration~" without really putting in the work. Like you said, the story was not at all contingent on any aspect of Polynesian culture other than having folklore. Honestly - especially with characters like Tamatoa, Te Fiti, & the Kakamora - it seemed more like a fantasy/magical movie that just happened to contain islander elements.
The two things that bother me most is the way the take a wide range of interconnected cultures and just act like there's no distinction between them. They make it seem like Hawaiian, Tahitian, Samoan and Maori culture are all the same and don't need to be preserved as separate cultures. The other thing is copyrighting the word Moana. The audacity.
@@Alkiviadis_ plus dont forget that hercules was the roman name for his actual greek name: Heracles (like the beetle) Because hera was trying to kill him on several occasion, but survived
Quick remark about people getting upset that Maui is portrayed as fat: he is not. He is absolutely not. The way he is portrayed (solid stomach, no six pack, not 100 Kilos of muscles per arm) is the most accurate to legitimate strength you can get. Hollywood and Bodybuilder culture's got you brainwashed into thinking more muscles=more strength, but muscles are unnecessary and oftentimes even restrictive accessories. Most people with mountains for legs and arms couldn’t even complete a strongman's warm-up and would start panting like dying dogs. Look at strongmen, while we are at it. Do they fit in your typical "oh he’s got no defined muscles, that means he is purely made of fat"? Yes. Could they still snap your spine with their small toe? Also yes. Tl;dr: Maui's not fat. He’s the closest to strong a human (or in this instance, demigod) can be, physically.
Yep. He doesn't have a six pack because you have to have a low amount of body fat to do that and it's just not feasible for most people who actually go out and do stuff.
I remember seeing Coco for the first time in San Ysidro, a city directly bordering Mexico, with my Mexican family in a theater FULL of Latinos. The whole theater cracked up at jokes like the abuela throwing the chancla and the chorizó gag, and cried at the end when Miguel brought the photo back to Mama Coco (who happens to look JUST LIKE my deceased great grandmother, Nana Lupita). My grandmother ended up seeing the movie 3 times, and our local theaters screened the movie in English AND Spanish. I also remember recently rewatching Princess and the Frog with my Black friend, seeing her recite every word to the scenes with young Tiana & her family, and laughing with her at the gumbo bit. She explained that she knew it by heart because she watched it over and over as a young Black girl, just like my family had gone back again and again to see Coco. Representation matters! There’s so many different types of people out there in the world, all with beautiful, rich, complex stories to tell, and showcasing those perspectives just makes for better storytelling. The infusion of jazz into Princess in the Frog (though it is VERY flawed) and the celebration of mariachi in Coco just serves to make these movies BETTER & more musically distinct from other Disney/Pixar classics.
Also Maui's not overweight and people are stupid. He had real muscles, like how strong men have, not glamour muscles like body builders. He doesn't jiggle at all, he's a solid mass of muscle
Us Polynesians still don't like it he's still massive like many stereotypes say we are when a lot of us are slim and muscular it just seemed like they were giving into stereotypes when they made Maui. Toa Samoa that's all
@@THE_GORILLAGUY_VR So, because some people think most polynesian are wide (which is true, polynesian being favored in that way by bone structure and genetics) it become a bad thing to portray a character, whom happens to be polynesian, as wide?
@@arthurbordet8754 No, it became a bad thing to portray a skinny and muscular character as wide. Maui was skinny before moana came out, I guess thats the problem people have with it.
Maui isn’t over weight, when you look at him move he doesn’t jiggle like fat, it’s all muscle but not like modern look where people work on definition it’s all size. A good example would be old school pro wrestler Peter Maivia, The Rocks grandfather. The Rock even talked about that misconception in interviews
Steven Dishongh plus, take into consideration that a lot of the men in Moana are designed more stout. Maoi is super stout but he’s not fat. He doesn’t have a gut. He’s just really *THICK**
Y'know that "chocked on a chorizo" joke, I speak Spanish, and a pp joke wasn't my first initial thought was that they were making fun of the, "death by food" kind of thing.
Hi, Pacific Islander here 👋🏾 My whole life I've been interested in my Samoan culture, and I remember being unbelievably excited hearing about Moana when it came out. Yes, it's mostly set out on the ocean, but what's being forgotten is that voyaging was, in fact, a giant part of our culture. That's what my ancestors did, they set out on voyages, they used to the stars as a map, and Maui was part of the legends. I do agree that it could have been executed much better, the dolls were most definitely...darker than you'd expect, but it was still enjoyable. Although, I feel like most attention for Moana comes from the fact that Lin worked on music, and sang in two songs, one of them in the end credits. That's my problem with Moana, or the audience at least. Because I remember going through the comments on Moana-related videos and it _only_ being about Hamilton, the Pacific Islander comments near the bottom. So Disney kind of won, but also messed up with that one. But also, as a comment on here said, Polynesian culture is more than _one culture._ There's a lot of islands, and although some cultures and languages may sound the same (an example is Tokelauan and Samoan), they're also different in their own ways. So combining all of these cultures together might have been difficult, considering they have to pack it into a one hour movie. Coco accomplished Mexican culture because that's the only culture they were focusing on. Moana is more of a difficult subject with culture, because it's a vast majority of different ones. You can tell Lin and whoever else wrote the music tried to incorporate different languages, with the opening song being in Samoan, "An Innocent Warrior" in Tokelauan (I think), and "We Know The Way" having Samoan for the first verse, Tongan in the second. There's other cultures (I'm saying this alot but I'm terrible at describing shit sorry), but those are the _main_ ones featured and given a glimpse at in Moana. It must've been difficult trying to combine the other cultures into the movie without it confusing the audience or possibly getting something very wrong, so that's one reason why the movie could've taken place in the water the whole time. Because, especially when it's not your culture/a culture that's _rarely_ represented, research isn't always going to be enough, let alone trying to represent multiple cultures yourself. I still think Moana was a fantastic movie and that not enough people talk about it. And it's obviously going to hold a special place in my heart because that's my people, with their own movie made by _Disney._
This is a great explanation. I liked that the film raised my interest in Polynesian cultures. I've never met any Polynesians so all I know is from what I've seen online and in films & tv. If they make Moana 2, I just hope they make the songs that are sung in Polynesian languages a lot longer.
Thanks for the explanation and opinion, that was interesting to read 🙂 Do you think they should have focused on just one Polynesian culture or do you think it was a good idea to amalgamate them so that all Polynesians could be at least somewhat represented? Also I’m wondering what your thoughts are on the fact that Disney can now cash in on every culture it chooses to represent. It kind of seems like a downside to representation, especially by a giant like Disney. I always kind of think the worst type of cultural appropriation is when members of a powerful/oppressive culture capitalize on oppressed/marginalized cultures by commercializing those cultures, eg. a massive US corporation like Disney profiting off of selling little plastic models of Moana’s wa’a kaulua while so many Polynesian nations still experience striking poverty after colonialism, or profiting off of their little Día de los Muertos plaza at Disneyland while Mexicans suffer from extreme poverty in Mexico and discrimination and cruel immigration enforcement in the US. Sorry, I didn’t mean for that to be such a downer. I just feel like the representation in these movies is getting better and better and it’s really cool but there’s always the subsequent cash grab of merchandising that kind of negates Disney’s attempts at progressivism. I think it could only be solved if the people profiting off of that merchandising (and the films themselves) were the people being depicted in the films.
@@bonesandhearts5683 No, no! It's all good, I'm glad you shared your insights! As far as Polynesian culture representation, I think it's good they chose to try and incorporate different ones, being as, again, the Polynesian/Pacific Islander culture is really underrepresented and not talked about that much, especially in modern day America. I mean hey, it's better than just saying "Hawaiians are the only Polynesians!" I personally think that after the Disney Renaissance, the company clearly began to grow. But as they started doing CGI and whatnot, they started focusing more on the franchise rather than making a good movie. That's why Ralph Breaks The Internet was such a flop. They knew they didn't have to try because it'd appeal to younger children anyway, which means more "I want this toy, I want that," and more purchases on merchandise and whatever. Although, I do 100% see your point with the representation part. How many Polynesian cultures still struggle after the colonization, and how Mexican/Hispanic immigrants are being treated at the border. And to that I'll simply say; Do I think representation of underrated cultures is good? Absolutely! Especially if you have younger children watching, it might help them learn something. Do I think profiting off of the project is bad? No, it just depends on how you approach it (i.e not whitewashing darker skinned characters, not making toys look offensive, etc). But do I think doing all this and choosing NOT to speak out/try to help these struggling cultures that you've represented is bad? In a way, yes. I understand Disney has different parts to take over, considering how big of a company it is. Whether it be maintaining Disney World/Land Parks, budgeting out movies, advertisement, etc. That takes a lot. But I think they should still try and help these countries they're putting on the big screen, because many people will see these places and go touring, ignoring the big issue that may be happening that they're unaware of, you know? There's two sides to every story, and I like to stay open-minded. And in this case, you're making absolutely great points. Sorry I didn't reply sooner btw
KT W Thanks so much for replying 😊 I should give you fair warning that I’m...not a big fan of capitalism. Like I think modern racism was invented to further capitalism and that Disney will never really be a net positive for the world in terms of ending global injustices as long as it’s a corporate giant and the means of production remain un-seized 😬. The workers gotta grab those wacom cintiqs, y’know? But like, regardless, marginalized people need to be represented in media. I totally support that. And, while we’re stuck with global capitalism, I think what would make the cash-grabbiness of these movies and merchandise better would be if the people making the movies and selling the merchandise were members of those cultures. Like not just the voice actors or the consultants or the directors or the screenwriters, but like the people actually making bank off of this stuff. Like representation in media shouldn’t just refer to who’s being portrayed, but also who is producing the media. Basically I think it would be better if these films and merchandise were products of the places they represent. Like, Disney movies and merch are all products of the US and any profits made off of them end up contributing to the US GDP. I think it would be better if Disney was partnered with an actual Samoan or Mexican animation studio and if they just kind of used their influence and reach to help produce something that would ultimately be a product of Mexico/Samoa and contribute to the Mexican/Samoan GDP. Also the things you mentioned about people seeing the movies and touring the places but not being aware of the larger issues - I think that’s a great point. On the one hand, at least tourism could be a way that the places/cultures depicted in these films can profit off of the movies. On the other hand, it’s a disservice if tourists aren’t aware of the problems people living there actually face. That’s actually one of the reasons I liked Lilo and Stitch: it does perpetuate the “Hawaiians are the only Polynesians” trope, but at least it actually does depict some of the issues native Hawaiians have to deal with, including ignorant white tourists. You’ve got Lilo feeling like an outsider in the place and culture she’s from (eg. when the white girls in her hula class ostracize her), you’ve got money issues that force Nani to work at a tourist trap and Lilo to entertain tourists for cash, you’ve got state interference in Nani and Lilo’s lives (ie. the scary social worker threatening to take Lilo away)...idk it’s actually surprisingly good. That said, I don’t think every Disney movie that features marginalized people should be about their struggles. I like that Moana and Coco are triumphant portrayals of their respective cultures. I do think it’s good to have that mix though; having some movies like Lilo and Stitch might help with the ignorant tourist issue. Sorry this is so freaking long and rambling. You just made me think is all 😊
I completely agree with you and so appreciate the thoughtfulness of your responses here! I am half-Tahitian. I think one of the things the creator of this video is not considering is how Polynesians are not really represented in popular media, at least not in the US. We aren't taught about Polynesian history the way we learn about Greek history in school, and we aren't exposed to Polynesian traditions the way we might see Mexicans in our community celebrate important days such as Dia de los Muertos. We are truly a minority. When I say I was born in Tahiti, most people have no idea where or what that is. Other than the Rock and a few specific films, Americans don't have the chance to learn about us, and so this film had a huge task in educating people about our culture in a way that was digestable and didn't take away from the story. It seemed to also feel the pressure to represent all of us, which I personally thought was cool, but again, a huge task. It felt as though the qualities to the story that were specifically Polynesian were very clear to Polynesians, such as Mama Tala coming back as a manta ray...the fact that Moana, as a woman, was chief is another, as pre-colonization, Polynesian cultures were egalitarian and not the patriarchal structure we see now...even the little things like tatau, taro, the siva or ori, the tiare flowers in the background. There were a lot of Polynesian details there if you knew what to look for. I felt that they tried to weave the traditions of Polynesia into the story, but the knowledge base on the culture would need a more solid base for it to register the way that the cultural pieces of Coco did. That being said, I do think Coco did a way more effective job at representing Mexican culture than Moana did, and it makes me wonder if they would have been more successful if they had "picked a lane" and just made Moana a specific Polynesian culture. I personally would have loved if they made the story more a deal where she traveled around Polynesia, learning from each group of people, instead of with those stupid monsters and the kakamora, which def were not represented well at all!
I haven't seen it since I was a kid and only vaguely remember that the villain turns the prince in to a frog and I believe that when she kisses the prince she is turned in to a frog too, but to be fair, I haven't seen it since I was a kid...
Legit, watching Coco in theaters for the first time. There was an audio error with the film and you just heard static during the short. That was more entertaining than the short itself.
The part they got right the most in Moana was "We Know the Way", where they have the voyagers singing in their preferred dialect, aka the only one they know, and have a different singer song the part in English, which I like a lot.
I cried for both. I cried when the grandma died and came back in Moana(she’s my favorite character besides Tomatoa). I cried during Coco when Miguel started singing Remember Me to his grandma.
Coco was full of forced sadness. And did you seriously cry over it? -_- Your probably one of those annoying shits in Pixar movies that always cry and it's so annoying and I can never hear the damn dialogue you privileged white suburban kid
It's not about whether it's an attack, but whether it would have been cool if it actually referenced Greek culture and mythology a bit more. And I think it would have been.
Honestly I heard way more racist things about Greece from other Europeans on r/Europe, a subreddit that I found to be more racist than r/Donald sometimes.
I'm kinda with Lindsay Ellis on this one-cultural appropriation is neutral without oppressive force to it. An American-made movie appropriating Greek culture is harmless, because not only has Greek culture never been systemically oppressed, it's been fucking ELEVATED. Nazis loved Greek culture! Victorians loved Greek culture! We act like it was the great beacon of Western Civilization, instead of Literally The Worst. No Greek-American person has ever been punished for practicing Traditional Greek Medicine. No Greek-American schoolchild has been hit with a ruler for speaking the Greek language, or for doodling an engraving of Zeus. Now, if it was a British movie about Polish folklore, there'd be more of an argument. But racism has different targets over the Atlantic. Greek people aren't really a race here.
@Aidan Maxwell They did once release a aline of toys called "Disney Heroes" (If my memory of seeing it on the Disney Wiki years ago is correct), using characters like Peter Pan, Hercules and even a few of the princes. Considering it's no longer around, I'm guessing it did not sell well.
Same, I might be biased bc I'm Mexican but the plot was way more interesting and had a lot of depth, the story went beyond the 'kid following his passion' story but focused on family dynamics as well--a topic that is HUGE in Hispanic culture-- and integrated it within the culture in a way that people of all walks of life could relate to. I felt moana's story was severely lacking in that depth that going into the cultural world further would have provided and replaced it with shiny characters to fluff up the plot and give it Broadway appeal. Though I liked moana I left the theater disappointed by the near surface level integration of such a beautiful culture.
I related to much to coco, it made me smile because it was so accurate of mexican culture, as a mexican, coco is my close second favorite Disney film (Pixar is owned by Disney) first favorite is princess and the frog
@@lunchbagmermaid4590 I've basically memorized the plot of Moana. When I was younger, my siblings and we would try to sing the instrumental version of songs. AND WE WOULD DO IT PERFECTLY. So, yeah. I'm kind of biased against Moana. .-.
As someone born and raised in New Zealand, I couldn't agree with you more. They just like, completely left out all of the great history and rich culture of polynesian people. There are so, so many things they could have added to the benefit of the plot. Even just the fricking carving has such a dense story. Tattos? Yeah that's a thing for us. A bigger thing is carving. How amazing would it have been if Maui's island, instead of having tally marked rocks, had huge pillars showing his past and present anguish. I died a little when I heard all the broadway-esque music instead of the beautiful waiata these groups are known for.
Yeah, I'm new Zealand raised not Maori but I know a lot about the culture since they made a big move to teach it at school and it was so amazing to see that cause I was sitting there like OML I know what they mean, this movie actually good
Wait, people think Maui is overweight? Ok, ok, I understand how people can think that. He doesn't have a Dorito body, he has a brick. However, what some people forget is that not every strong person is going to have a 6 pack and every muscle in their body traceable. In fact, most men will never have a 6 pack relaxed, every picture of a 6 pack is from someone flexing. However, that excludes bodybuilders who go on stage, but they are often at their weakest during that time. They are dehydrated to keep their skin tight over their muscles. Maui is strong and well-muscled, but not defined. Now, I might be pulling this out of my ass, but I do also remember someone mentioning that Maui is based off the rock's father. The rock's dad was not defined, not every muscle in his body is outlined, but he is very strong and well-muscled. A much better portrayal of a strong person without the American body standard of needing a 6 pack to be considered strong. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
He's based off the rocks grandfather who was Samoan ,Toa Samoa! Anyways tho Us Polynesians still don't like it he's still massive like many stereotypes say we are when a lot of us are slim and muscular it just seemed like they were giving into stereotypes when they made Maui. plus the Rock's grandfather wasn't massive he has muscle
I think people see him as fat due to the obesity in Oceania (well, Samoa as far as I know. I'm Samoan and I hate to say it, but I've got some pretty big aunties and uncles, and the people on the islands are big too). But I completely agree. People thinkt hat "buff" means muscle, muscle, and more muscle.
i really just think it’s because of the way he’s depicted in their legends that they wanted a slimmer more defined version of Maui. But i agree that many people who are solid rock hard muscles aren’t Defined but from a cultural standpoint i 100% agree with the Polynesian people who wanted their culture depicted in a way that they made it.
I will never be not amazed by just how much details Pixar puts into their movies , the whole setting of Coco was magical ,heck even when playing the guitar Michael wasn't just randomly strumming , every single cords were on point..
as a mexican, coco was AMAZING for me. that movie showed the culture spot on and honestly is so important. Hispanic representation matters!!!!! there's not enough of it in mainstream media :(
I'm not expecting any more representation, really... at least not at this time. But I was so thankful that they did their research on the matter and depicted everything so perfectly, I really love el día de los muertos, and everything felt so close to home that I cry from the very begining xD
Why should USA make movies about mexicans though lol? I'm armenian and i don't demand americans to make a movie about us. Watch your own domestic movies
@@eepyc0re so? A lot of Armenians live in USA. You don't see them bitching about "not enough of my ppl on american tv". How pathetic. And Coco wasn't about mexican americans, it was about mexicans. The point is you don't have the right to tell USA they need to make movies about other cultures. If they get inspired by some other culture and make an entertaining movie - ok good. But they don't OWE ANYTHING to mexicans or anyone else.
I didn't even know he was a thing. I'm surprised, honestly. I know he's snarky and kind of funny, and he was a surprise to the audience for not being in the promos...maybe that's all it took?
@@MortalAnonymous Perhaps he is so over the top that he is perfect? I don't know. His animation was great though, but his whole scene felt like a "crocodile moment" to me
I recall watching a short blerb about the writers of Moana interviewing Polynesian people on stories they’ve heard about Maui. Although he was described as an average-sized man they wanted him to be seen as a “larger than life” character because of all the things he’s done. The writers and character artists meant no harm when they designed Moana’s Maui to look large. And I say “large” because the first thought that popped into my head when I saw Maui is “damn, that’s a lot of muscle” not “damn, Disney made a stereotypical fat Polynesian character.”
Exactly. I honestly didn't even know people thought Maui was fast until this video. For me it was a mix of the art style where everything and everyone doesn't have many sharp lines or edges (everything is soft lines and round), and that Maui is an absolute UNIT. I just assumed that he had literally Godly levels of muscles.
I do understand what you mean but growing up when I heard this story of Maui it was of this average boy that did things no one had expected of him. The Maui in the movie felt strange, and when I saw him it wasn't the Maui I grew up hearing stories about, I am sure Disney meant no harm, and I see why they made him so large (I personally never thought he was fat but to each their own). I just think it would've been nice to see a more culturally accurate depiction of one of the most famous legends in Polynesian culture. Although, in saying that, I do admit that I think if they made him smaller he would probably fall to the stereotypical attractive male that is often depicted with Disney male leads so it's kind of a lose, lose situation.
Same, I never thought of Maui as fat, I see him as strong. I wasn't even aware it was a stereotype. Besides it was the Rock playing him so I thought Maui was partially based off the actor, especially because I've heard Disney's Maui described as "The Rock, but with hair".
Trickster doesn't necessarily mean bad guy. He did things like steal fire and trick his brothers into creating the islands. Yes, he tricked people, but it helped others. Hawaiian Superman is a song written by a Hawaiian that really explains this.
Coco - 97 rotten tomatoes Moana - 96 rotten tomatoes Coco - 2 oscars Moana - 0 oscars Coco - 807 million dollars Moana - 643 million Coco became the highest grossing film of all time in Mexico , the market it was supposed to be representing . [ up until infinity war broke it by a little bit the following year ]
If you dont know, the song Remember me is a song that talks about the inmigrants, those parents that have to leave their kids in MEXICO to earn money to feed them. A friend of my parents tell us that when she heard that song, she cried because she remember her dad that go to USA to win money for her, and never could come back. This song represents all of those families, and is really heartbreaking to hear it. I love this movie 'cause I really feel the mexican vibes (I'm mexican, i know what im talking about), and feel extremely proud of my country when I saw that movie, and feel proud and laugh imagining the Americans seeing that and don't understandint anything of the spanish. If I write something wrong in gramatic or a wrong word, tell me please so I can improve mi language, thank you
Igual bro, recuerdo verla y sentirme tan conectada con la cultura como ninguna pelicula me a hecho sentir (aparte de tal vez, ROMA, pero no es tanto mi época)
I don't see how you would be proud of a country that has a high poverty rate and relies on its northern neighbor to illegally tract money to make up for its loses. Sure it's a horrible reality, but it is what is it. But the Spanish adapted culture is pretty cool.
i really hated disney making hades out to be a bad guy when he was the chillest god in all of the greek myths and zeus was the literal nightmare and the source of everyones problems and hera with her jealousy caused the rest. edit: this is the most likes ive ever gotten.
He did kidnap one girl to be fair. But he did it cause he wanted to marry her (I guess asking just didn't occur to him). And since she apparently eventually fell in love with him too, I'm thinking there's at least a... 75% chance there was no rape involved. Unlike every occasion Zeus found a girl mildly attractive.
@@MsLilly200 zeus got lucky with his boyfriend though, ganymede was the only lover that was granted immortalitity. Hera still wasnt happy, obviously. and no, there was no rape involved, which is suprising considering the culture of anchient greece, with their "women should be greatful to be raped" crap. Hades was a chill guy, and persephone- in all versions of the myth- got the best card in the entire deck, i mean, she could have ended up with apollo, but hes unlucky and shed probably wind up turned into something else, or she could have ended up with a man that would abuse her, but instead she got Hades, a man who genuinely loved her and wasnt a massive sack of shit. thats another problem with media when depicting hades. they make hades and persephones relationship really toxic and absuive, but hera and zeus' not? appearantly? in hercules why wasnt hera pissed beyond her wits? hercules isnt hers, zeus cheated on her to make him.
I'm pretty sure they changed pretty much everything for the Disney version of Hercules. It's not exactly a child friendly story. Iirc in the Disney version Hera was his mom. It certainly looked like it in the opening of the movie, and there was no other mom shown besides the woman who adopted him (with her husband) after he crashed superman-style onto earth.
He isn't really, it's just the actual complexion a normal human being should have to have that much strenght. It's realistic, but because media have thaught us that "if you don't have a six pack, you are fat", that's why some people thought that he was fat.
As a Catholic, I think Disney did a great job with Hunchback’s integration of Catholic culture while still keeping the film enjoyable to most people. For example, the music is filled with parts where the choir sings in Latin in the background. In fact, the song Hellfire’s intro translates to, “I confess to almighty God, the blessed Mary, ever virgin, blessed Michael the archangel, the sacred apostles, and all of the saints,” right before Frollo confronts his guilt about his lustful feelings for Esmeralda. I also think it’s great how Frollo misunderstands three church’s teachings, and I like that the villain in a movie that is filled with Catholicism’s fatal flaw is his pride. Pride is the root of all sin. Stuff like that is partially because of Victor Hugo, but it comes off really well.
They did blend in all the culteres together for moana i am a local and just wanna say that maui is hawaiian because he is someone that was a trckster maybe tough? But idk
@@anarch1.c yes but they were clearly trying to put both together and plus I may have forgot where maui came from but ik that my hawaiian teachers told us about this im not so sure
One of the reasons I liked coco so much is because it’s finally accurately portrayed Mexican culture without making it look like Spain for example the book of life, that movie would be great without all the inaccurate bullshit but as a half Mexican who is stuck seeing stereotypes in movies it was really great seeing coco do something right
I’m not Mexican, and I thought _The Book of Life_ was good but I was well and aware how very inaccurate it was to Mexican culture (I watched it for the first time long after I watched _Coco_ multiple times and studied some aspects of Latin American culture) and the Day of the Dead itself. I remember having to watch it in Spanish class because it was about the Day of the Dead, and my opinion on the film is, as I stated before, I thought it was fine but _Coco_ is significantly better than _The Book of Life_ in every single way. I’d give _The Book of Life_ a 6/10 and Coco a _8.5/10_ because it is significantly better in every way, but I do love the toy art style of _The Book of Life._ I think bull fighting is much bigger in Spain, I don’t know if it has much of a presence in Mexico or the rest of Latin America. I just checked and it is legal in most states of Mexico, but some states have banned it. Yeah, I did feel that _The Book of Life_ took a bit too much from actual Spanish culture and not Mexican culture. The ruler of the Land of the Forgotten was named Xibalba, the Mayan name for the underworld which is neat, but I’m pretty sure the ruler of the Land of the Remembered is just a folk heroine and not a goddess or place.
also you used a picture of shin godzilla so now I have to force you to watch the movie 7 times, please understand that I was probably gonna do that anyway.
I agree! I'm from New Orleans and I loved having a story based on where I'm from! Plus, Tiana was awesome! She was a hard-working girl with a dream and worked to the bone to achieve it, the villain was cool, 2D animation was beautiful, both protagonists had character development, and it actually had a death of a protagonist, which is rare. The villain is really memorable. No disrespect on one of my favorite Disney movies, lol.
I’ve heard that it was only western audiences who thought Maui’s depiction was overly chubby - it was only hearsay but apparently his large figure and wild hair are considered powerful in Polynesian culture.
I had a weirdly unique experience with Coco cause like... I'm half Mexican but I didn't get to experience much of my family's culture beyond the first few years of my life. Certain aspects of Coco reminded me of my family (I laughed way harder than I probably should've when the grandma kept piling the plate with tamales because my own abuela was exactly like that), and Mexican music always brings up some weird nostalgic primal part of my childhood that I can't put a very strong finger on. I was simultaneously in on a few jokes and distanced in some other aspects (where most people unfamiliar with the culture would be). I enjoyed it and cried a lot and experienced a lot of emotions I didn't have names for haha
Not part Mexican, but being mixed race myself I can relate... Like there are cultural things that seem 'right' to me, but I almost feel bad participating.
So, I’m white as snow, but I grew up surrounded by Mexican culture; I also found a deep connection with Coco, through all of my experiences with the culture. It was simultaneously isolating and comforting to watch it.
They already addressed the Maui thing. They had a staff of Polynesian people to run ideas by and catch anything upsetting, and they helped design the version of Maui that was in the film. They wanted him to be larger than life--literally, and the thing is, when someone is truly physically strong and not some glass canon bodybuilder they will still have "fat weight" along with their muscle. Only lean-muscled individuals lack much of their fat weight.
Not to mention Dwayne Johnson (aka the Rock and voice of Maui) shared via twitter and a short Disney promo that Maui's design was partially inspired by his grandfather; High Chief Mavia of Samoa, and a Polynesian body builder/wrestler.
@@TheMangakaOtakuLife yep and that his grandfather appearence is actually quite normal in Polynesian culture. But tell that to the ones that complained and still complain about it. Ironically these people are the same ones that will later attack other films like Ghost in the Shell despite the movie fairly being faithful to the source material
I never did see maui as “overweight” just a big boi, like the heavy from TF2, technically heavier than the average guy but not because of an overindulge in snacks or a glandular problem. Also I think they made maui large so they could have more room to animate his tatoos and give off that sense of “this dude is a cut above the rest” since he’s a demigod,
Disney literally worked with the Polynesian cultural organization. They're the ones who kept telling them to make him bigger. They wanted him to be bigger than life.
I feel like Disney have definatly made progress with Encanto. The music fits, the culture and language is used well. The story actually included a little bit Colombian history when Abuela was running away. They included the river which was inspired by a real river in Colombia. I have to say, it's a big step up.
Encanto felt soulless not like coco where you explored a country’s beautiful culture. Encanto felt like a movie about a girl who happens to be Colombian coco felt like they were tryna tell you about a country’s culture through a well written story. Tier wise I would put Encanto at C tier and Coco S tier with Toy Story.
9:51 As a mexican, this image is fucking hilarious, plus that stereotype about mexicans that is joke fuel in México that we never arrive on time, this is comedy gold right here for me, this is my humor, how low have I fallen
“Your Welcome” was my favorite song in Moana and one of my favorite songs. As a Hawaiian person who lived in Hawai’i their whole life, I grew up hearing and reading stories of Maui’s many feats and all the things he did for humans, and it was really cool to see that in a song.
One reason I can see the music for Moana being not as effective and more Broadway is because of one simple fact. Lin Manuel Miranda did the music for Moana, whereas Michael Giacchino did the music for Coco. Lin's music style is very broadway and there are examples of this is disney movies and the entirety of the musical Hamilton. Michael has done music specifically for video games and movies since 1994.
My grandma and I watched Coco together and she cried watching it, she knew la llorona when she was little and she herself felt like she was acknowledged. I’m going to take her to watch Encanto because we aren’t Mexican but Colombians. But nonetheless it felt good to see our Latin brethren represented to the point where it made our hearts wrench.
The main thing that a lot of people tend to forget about Disney movies, is that they’re almost always “Adaptations” of classic stories with a lot of creative liberties. Just look at the original story of Pinocchio and then look at Disney’s adaptation of it, and they’re almost two completely different stories, the same can be said of most of the other movies they made.
You can still represent a culture well in an adaption tho, which they still have trouble with. They're learning progressively with each movie, from the natives of peter pan to Pocahontas to Moana though so that's good.
Yuyari Cachimuel Well I hope they keep doing that. Several of their movies are often set in Europe but there is very little to nothing of the actual European culture being potrayed at and very inaccurat at potraying the stories its based on.
Yeah, but only for native cultures that will get pissed off at them if wrongly portrayed, there is essentially nothing culturally Scandinavian in Little Mermaid or Frozen, It just looks like it and the names match up, just like all their other movies.
If moana’s Soundtrack included more songs like we know the way then I think it would be a different story. The amount of research from Lin Manuel Miranda into making that song is insane- he used a Polynesian language that very few people still speak and went to the trouble of finding an actual native speaker who could translate.
I was a bit taken aback when I realised he's not related to gods while they told his backstory. But demi-god, as I found out after finishing the movie, can refer to a mortal that has risen to a more divine status, so I guess they're not far off? It would've been interesting if they integrated the term kupua into the movie somehow though, as from my POV it speaks of Polynesian cultures quite a lot... It's nice to know why they called him a demi-god even though he doesn't fit the wide-spread defintion.
Hi! That's actually false. Maui is the most prominent demi-god from Maori culture, the indigenous people of New Zealand (which is part of Polynesia). His story in Moana is largely similar to the original myths, though there are some discrepancies, likely for storyline sake.
He's definitely overweight though. Just because he's muscular doesn't mean he isn't overweight. Not to mention that several Polynesian countries have the fattest people in the world.
Disney: we’re going to tell a generic story that has a unique culture as its back drop Pixar: we’re going to tell a generic story that has a unique culture as an integral part of the story
Fun Fact: The song “La Llorona” that Emelda sings is actually a song.
Story: When my mom heard it in the movie theater she started crying because my deceased grandma used to play that song and sing it to her.
@@ralphdabadie4754 What the fuck. On a comment like this? No
@@bonk4225 Somebody said something and I called them out on it, so they deleted the comment
@@bonk4225 Ima be real with you, just something that wasn't appropriate to this. I dont remember it exactly, but yeah.
Tbh, this comment made my day, it's so heartwarming. Thank you for sharing!!
❌ Esmerelda
✔️ Emelda
I like Coco's message. It fools you with the message of "Follow your dreams, be who you want to be" but instead later tells you "Sometimes there are more important things"
CalveeTheFluffy Eevee And it also teaches about the toxicity surrounding fame and what some of the awful things ppl are willing to do to get it.
‘Seize your moment’
It's more like know how to compromise
The whole message of the movie, just like the whole point of El Día de los Muertos, is that the only thing that truly matters is family.
Roach DoggJR I’d say it’s more the ones you love or care about. For example, Hector wanted to go back to his family and Ernesto, his close friend, wanted to follow his dreams and went way too far in his pursuit.
Mexico loved Coco so much it was screened again a year later during Day of the Dead. This year probably will be the same.
lol yeah, the government even put out ads abt how we should be proud the world loves our culture so much lmao
Honestly my family down in Mexico lost their shit when it came out
V XXIII it's the highest grossing film in Mexico's history, I believe.
@@luis_zuniga yep, and did mind-blowingly well in china
V XXIII Someone asked their tío for a pastel de coco, but the tio hadn’t watched the movie and brought and actual pastel de shredded coco
me and my friends (one of which was mexican) had time to kill at the mall so we decided to go watch coco and the mall theatre just to pass the time, and right before the movie started my mexican friend starting talking all this shit about how he was gonna cringe so hard at the movie and how it was probably gonna be insulting towards his culture, but let me tell by the first 25 minutes of the movie, my guy just sat there in silence and was just completely engrossed into it. when we finished, this guy had the biggest smile on his face and would not stop talking about how incredible this movie was. when he went home, he told his family who similarly thought Coco would be bad to watch the movie the very next day, and why all loved it.
That’s a cool story
Nice
My boyfriend cried when he first watched the movie, and he told me it looked just like Mexico and Coco reminded him of his grandmother who passed a couple years ago. He still cries actually when we watch it.
@@TheIinLiyzz even though I watched the movie like 63 times (not lying) it still is a good movie
I’ve never seen my dad cry until we watched coco together. Man, I love that movie.
My Mexican mom adores “Coco” and she says it reminds her of her old home. Also, Papa Julio looks like every older Mexican dad/uncle/grandpa so Pixar really did do their homework to make this movie work.
Awww ❤
Agreed. Looks like my abuelito as well.
Wow, I'm polynesian and now I wish Pixar had made Moana. There were a lot of things that came across as inauthentic when I watched Moana and I could tell it was made by pakeha/palagi.
Mama Coco looks exactly like my great grandmother before she passed away, from the dress to the braided pig tails. Because of that, this movie made me feel like I was Miguel going through this adventure. It made the ending so much more emotional for me.
my family also loves Coco and we all screamed when we saw Ernesto being literally a homage of one of the oldest and most iconic artist: Pedro Infante, it just shows how much research there was and it made us all feel so giddy and happy even when the ending made us cry!
the broadway feel in moana probably comes from the fact that the guy who wrote the songs (lin-manuel miranda) also wrote hamilton, in the heights, and 21 chump street.
Shayla Mazer point made.
True
Great songs true, buuut if I was to be cynical:
Hamilton was really popular around the time along with other works by Lin, so most likely a whole lotta people knew him. Possibly Disney using him to rake in more audience?
He literally Sings a song in moana
@@girlyweirdo4658 considering disney paid 75 million for the rights to release the hamilton stage recording.... yeah probably
Thats not fat. That's buff as hell. His muscles just aren't super defined
We call that "hoss cat" body type in Appalachia. Someone whose strong and sturdy and you dont want to catch them in a bad mood.
Actually, his muscles aren't super dehydrated.
aminoapps.com/c/moana-9916041/amp/blog/maui-is-not-obese/qkmV_gJPfRuBNoo2o5KmB5BJkG054xaQRXZ
This person on this amino tells it pretty fittingly
Yes. If you want defined muscles, you have to eat like that. Proteins, etc, you know, workout diet. Maui looks like he has a lot of muscle, but isn't defined as hell, because he isn't on a workout diet, he's just chillin' being super buff
mara mara and also you forgot one thing *its a simple art style*
"pixar and disney both do their research, they have attention to detail"
*disney releases mulan 2020*
Well that was a remake, which we all know are terrible. The only good thing out of any of them was Will Smith as a Genie for Aladdin.
I hate all live action movies. Like just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
@@mariejoseph8929 what about 101 Dalmatians? They did that one back in the early 2000s and I think it went pretty well. (Except I still haven't seen the original cartoon, so I'm probs not the best judge)
@@virginiasultana3654 I think he's talking about the recent ones, like Lion Kind, Dumbo, Beauty and the Beast, etc. They just feel unnecessary and usually never add anything to the original besides the live-action visuals.
@Cactus Juice Yeah no, totally. Will Smith was a total beast, and didn't try to copy the excellent and perfect performance of Mr.Williams. Which is great, he ended up actually being the most likeable part of the movie.
Imagine coco... but one of the spirit animals is a certain giant shiny glowing crab...
That's his labrihe lol
U just gave me a great idea for mi university project of alebrijes xd
Los alebrijes no son spirit animals xd
I really feel connected to this idea
Alibrije: al-ih-bree-hay
Labrihe: ?????
Big Difference...
Disney: Believe in your dreams… While going on a fantasy adventure with cute sidekicks and living happily ever after
Pixar: finding yourself… While living in a cold hard reality mixed with finding simple pleasures/adventuresin every day, normal life.
@The Movie Guy
I like mixing both for the extra kick in the gut and pet on the back.
I’m just describing how people in general usually view both Disney and Pixar. Personally, I love both animation Studios.
As a fellow greek man I can agree that Hercules isn’t that accurate and my biggest gripe with most representations of Hades is that he’s often portrayed as a bad guy but in mythology he’s actually one of the better gods. He does his job and doesn’t fuck around with mortal lives nearly as much as the rest of the pantheon.
That being said Hades is fucking hilarious in the movie and is the best Disney villain ever. 10/10 would love for James Woods to be hades in the live action remake we will eventually get. Just give me a line incorporating the word Malaka from Phil and give me a lamb Souvlaki
I know, like Zeus is an asshole and Hera is worse.
Hades is a chill guy, mostly.
@@hailpickens2454 he really is, but does have his limits. Idk if you’ve read the Percy Jackson books but that series has probably the best representation of Hades.
@@zerotohero1483 Percy Jackson books are one of the most accurate representations of greek mythology on pop culture, but it still have it's fair share of slips
@@izzyyyyy8998 true
@@izzyyyyy8998 Which ones if you don't mind me asking?
Pixar: "Let's create a beautiful movie full of emotions"
Disney: "Let's create a beautiful movie full of merchandise"
Illumination Studio: "Let's create merchandise"
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full of merchandise
Sony(sometimes):let's make money
Dreamworks: Let's create
*face palm* did you really forget about TOY STORY
me watching the mama coco scene in coco: I won't cry
Miguel: **pulls out guitar**
Me: **sobbing**
Miguel is good at pulling out
@@thatonedude9269 he's 10
@@lillianaoneal9231 yeah, pulling out his guitar
@@thatonedude9269 it sounded so dirty tho
@@lillianaoneal9231 your fault for thinking that way
Schaffrillas: and the winner is coc-
Tamatoa: *exists*
Schaffrillas:
*_P E R H A P S_*
Can I just say I really, really, really don't get this guy's obsession with that crab? Everyone I know (myself included) were completely turned off by that chracter - I, for example, was watching Moana on Netflix and literally turned the tv off when I saw it, it was just really awkward, cringy and childish.
I don't say this to denigrate anyone's opinion, but Moana and that character have been getting SUCH A HUGEEE mention and honor from this channel that I am really perplexed from - when did he explain why it was a huge cinematic feat? Never, yet on every single video he mentions it as one of the greatest Disney films ever. PLEASE EXPLAIN!!
Don't get Templar about it. Some people are just fucking meme machines.
Lucas Leanza you don't get it
@@lucasleanza9762 it isn't something logical you can easily get.
It just is.
@@lucasleanza9762 I dont really get it either
"overweight"
Yeah nah mate, that's actually just functional muscle. My boyfriend is a literal lumberjack and he has a build p similar to Maui's, just a hair taller. Homeboy can launch me like a toothpick.
That brown face costume is def a big ol yikes tho lmao
But the problem is that maui in the legends didn't look like that.
@@froggy9822 It's just a visual representation of him having inhuman strength. It doesn't matter if he doesn't look exactly like in the original legends.
@@SirQuadrat i mean, i get what you're saying, but it kinda does matter, since they are pulling Maui from polynesian culture, and probably could have represented him and other stuff a tad better
@@SirQuadrat There are a lot of way to portrait inhuman strength without making him looks like Incredible Hulk man-pregnated Wreck-It Ralph then dropped the baby face first on concrete floor.
Look at all the top strongmen ever. Zydrunas Savickas, Brian Shaw, Hafthor Bjornsson etc... All fat af
I think Lilo and Stitch should be involved in this discussion.
Absolutely, it should.
HELL YEAH
The culture is both key too the film and also neglected. It’s weird as hell lol
The Book of Life is the actual relevant topic to this discussion.
When Nani got fired from the restaurant, she even called the lua (I forget how you spell it) a “fake”
Putting all of this aside, can we just appreciate how breathtakingly gorgeous the art was in both movies?
You can say that again!
The petals in Coco were gorgeous, and that's just my favorite part of the animation. The water in Moana was awesome, and Moana's hair not to mention. Both are very lively and fun stylistically speaking, but I will always prefer Coco
@@iKnowaNoah i think the tribal tattoos from moana were really a good touch
Absolutely! Moana and Coco were both amazing to me because of the astounding visuals. Also being someone who has attended many funerals, Coco had me really emotional by the end of it 😢 but it was so worth it!
i really adore the land of the dead and the skeleton designs in coco.
Miguel's abuelita saying he's as skinny as a stick and demanding he eat more is 1000% my abuelita so that alone gave Coco points for me. I also found it very nice to hear the random spanish they threw out just as a bilingual family would do.
Ya coco is my favorite Pixar movie not only is it one of the only mainstream representations of a beautiful culture but it is also a great movie
pretty sure that is just a grandma thing in general
If you’re fluent in Spanish, I recommend you watch Coco 100% in Spanish. It’s 10x’s better!
@@cristinitao yea its one of the only disney/pixar/etc movies i actually prefer in spanish
Yeah that's not only a Spanish grandma typa thing you know
I just want to say that Maui doesn't looks fat at all, he's a big strong man, strong as people who lift
oh god your pfp is giving me flashbacks lmao
yeah but i can see why maui could be seen as a stereotypical islander, as a samoan person it honestly doesn't really bother me although i can see why other polys have a problem with it.
welll duh maui is litreally a FOB🥱🥱🥱we’re big and fat
Scaff: Points out misrepresentation on Hercules for an extended time
Emperor Cuzco: *Nervous Laughter*
....*Kuzco
not helping your point there, bud
I mean, the real city is spelled Cuzco, so 🤔🤔🤔
@ yeah but they obviously weren't talking about the place, and the character is Kuzco.
@@metta6947 My point is, the name of the character comes from the city, and they didn't get it right.
@ Pretty sure Disney just changed it so if you googled "Kuzco" the first thing that would come up is the character rather than the city. I don't think a major corporation working on a movie would accidentally misspell it.
You also got to take into account that these two studios, although they’re the same company, have different target demographics.
Disney primary target demographic is children and they’re secondary target demographic is teens and young adults. They use bright flashy colors and extremely catchy songs that appeal to children a lot more, while also having a few underlining themes and somewhat deep story that appeal to teens and young adults.
Pixar’s primary target demographic , on the other hand, is teens and young adults while they’re secondary target demographic is children. They have extremely deep story’s and a lot of underlining themes that appeal to teens and young adults, all wrapped in a colorful cartoon, with a few upbeat catchy songs throw in occasionally, which appeals to children.
How could you say something so profound yet so obvious at the same time?
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Still agree though.
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I’m pretty sure The Lion King is pretty deep thematic-wise even when it’s targeted to children.
The only elaborate adult joke in Disney is when Anna said “size doesn’t matter”
Anna tells Christoph that he looks better in leather
Kristoff also asks Anna about Hans for his "foot size".
And that "You look better in leather" thing
The scene in Coco where Miguel says that he doesn’t want more tamales and his abuelita gives him the “do not reject my food” face is pure gold
Happens all the time!!!!
When he is about to sing to the mariachi and his abuelita starts beating the guy while saying sth like "stay away from my miguelito pequeñito angelito" i just lost it
Omg yes. Am not even Mexican and I can relate. In greece we have the classic " greek grandma™️" . She will make u eat anything she makes. You'll gain at least 10 pounds after visiting her
@@Miaou_In_Your_Pants same in Asianculture
@@RK-ig8gc I guess all grandmas are like that . Pretty cool
@@Miaou_In_Your_Pants was about to say that seems to be just a grandma thing in general.
Hercules is the kidzbop version of greek mythology
Don't insult Hercules like that lol
@@InquisitorThomas i meaan, Hades did kidnap Persephone, but thats not the worst thing a greek god has done.
I think actually Zeus is the most evil one.
Like literally! He took fire from man, he fucks women disguised as animals, their husbands or something else.
He's an awful god.
@@littlebitches more like Persephone was curious and fell down a hole and ate food even though she was told not do or she'll be in the underworld forever (except every spring?? I think) ... at least that's how I have always heard it
Inquisitor Thomas I wouldn't say it's poor, if you came into a Disney movie expecting a serious historically accurate retelling of anything, you've come to the wrong movie. They are inspired by stories and cultures often, from Hercules to Hamlet, and then have a lot of creative liberties to build their own world and story from. It's not lazy or poor quality, it's just focused very differently, has a different motive and for a different audience. It's definitely not a historical movie because it doesn't want to be, it wants to be its own canon, in the same way Pixar goes "what would toys do if they were alive" Disney went "what if we made Greek Gods alive in a jazzy "kiddy" mix of past and present culture, how would they act and how would it change?" Though in part I would agree about one thing- they can learn a little more about cultural representation both real world ones and generally building richly communicated ones into their film (real or not), but every film seems to be getting better
Yes
I honestly like Coco more the Moana. Coco was just way more memorable to me.
Persephone Hades LOL the culture is so on point.
Persephone Hades Same, I never felt emotionally invested in the storyline during Moana 😶
Honestly, me too. I watched Moana and had a good time, but I only saw it once and it didn't elicit any particularly strong emotions.
I watched Coco and loved it. The music, the characters, the world, and the character growth. From a scared 12 year old who learns to place his family above himself, to a jaded wife who overcomes a century of hatred. It was so unique, and I cried like a babe at the end.
I feel the same! Coco was emotional and sweet and I felt like almost every minute of it was a treat. Moana, however, didn't do much for me. I had fun with it while I watched it, but then promptly kinda forgot about it. It didn't leave a big impact on me like Coco did.
Schaffrillas mentioned all the reasons he didn't like Coco as much as Moana, which is totally fine. Different strokes for different folks. But I didn't care about the things he mentioned because lots of comedy is not a make or break for me. I don't mind more serious movies. And I didn't mind the "lack of tension" in the start because the movie was using that time to establish emotions, character interactions, and a lot of beautiful scenery and culture. I loved it.
samee
flushed away is the best representation of british culture
This just made my day 😂
100%
BHAHAHAH SCREAMING
Feels bad that flushed away is "the" British themed film. I kinda have brave I guess.
@@lostkin4910 flushed aways a classic film wys, managed to showcase key parts of british/mainly english culture in a good tone with pretty decent humour. yeah its a rat who got flushed down the bog but its still a quality film. theres probably others that are a better showcase but in my current film experience flushed aways the best one ive found
Coco got Frida Kahlo wrong. She was not an ego maniac. She painted what she felt, and if she felt like her ex husband only liked the Mexican side of her, she would paint that. I found this on "The wounded deer" "At the lower-left corner, the artist wrote down the word "Carma", which means "destiny" or "fate". Just like her other self-portraits, in this painting Frida expressed the sadness that she cannot change her own fate. Frida used her pet deer "Granizo" as the model when she painted this portrait."
She also had a pet deer and at least one monkey!!
Yeah, I loved the movie but that part really disappointed me.
I didn’t really feel like the movie portrayed her as an ego maniac. Just eccentric
@@rashotcake6945(PARAPHRASED) "The dancers-who are *me*-crawl onto a cactus-who is also *me*..."
@@carmenmercedes9903 yes she’s extensively including herself in her own artwork in the movie but considering the weirdness of it all, it doesn’t seem like something that her character is doing to make herself look good. Looking like a cactus or crawling like a bunch of spiders isn’t very flattering. So instead, it just comes across to me as eccentric rather than egotistical, as i said before. Plus, her being nice to Miguel and being willing to take feedback from Miguel makes her character seem kind rather than narcissistic. At least, that’s how her portrayal personally felt to me
@@rashotcake6945 I never said she's narcissistic. Maybe self-absorbed would be a better way to put it.
hercules wasn't accurate mostly because they didn't want it to be R 18
@Michael Richards 😭😭😭 pls wtf
@@catsneeze ?
Deadass didn’t Hera make Heracles go crazy and kill his whole family?
Are Hercules and Heracles the same
@IAN HEINE Not to mention Hercules is the offspring of incest.
Just wanted to mention that, while Lee Unkrich did direct Coco, the story came from Adrian Molina, the co-director, who is Latino and was inspired in part by his own upbringing and experiences when he created the story. So to say that Coco's successful representation of Mexican culture was thanks to research on the part of Lee Unkrich isn't quite accurate. I think it's also worth mentioning the emphasis that Pixar puts on the idea that "the best stories are inspired by real experiences." Adrian was inspired by his own experiences and culture, which, in my opinion, is why Coco is so powerful, genuine, and of course culturally aware. Just wanted to throw that out there :)
It makes sense, i kept thinking only someone who lived all of this could come up with something so truthful and genuine.
It was confusing to me how Coco could feel so on point compared to say, a Pocahontas.
Moana was written by a corporate focus group.
Coco was written by an actual Mexican.
That's the main difference I think.
.......Taika Waitit is maori tho?
@@koro8gin True, but it's also Disney and this was prior to Jojo Rabbit, so he likely couldn't take as many risks as he did with Jojo Rabbit.
Anyway it's ironic for folks to attack him for "normalizing fascism" when he's a mixed-race Jew who works for Disney, probably one of the most hated demographics by fascists.
@@koro8gin He didn't actually write the movie, though, he wrote a draft early in development and left the project. There was a Polynesian advisor group which is cool but it undeniably not exactly a Polynesian story, it's a cookie-cutter Disney story
@@pridemoth_ as a maori person I can confirm to you that this is a polynesian story, everything down to the 2000 year 'long pause' in voyaging was accurate to polynesian history and culture. Just because it was written by a white hand doesn't fault it's accuracy, the original story was written by a maori man, and different peoples of polynesian descent gave their incite towards the oveall making of the film.
Honestly notice how the only people advocating for cultural accuracy within moana are non-polynesians. Of course these films aren't going to follow a 100% true story, these are Hollywood blockbusters. I don't see the same people complaining about the obviously made up story of a young mexican boy going to the afterlife to meet his deceased family.
@@ashkitt7719 i still dont get that he didn't normalize shit its just through a childs perspective
I've never got the complaint that Maui is shown as supposedly overweight. He's not. He's shown as an enormous caricatured tank of muscle. He ripples those muscles frequently throughout the movie, makes the tattoo character dance as he hops his pecs around. And he's directly modelled on The Rock's grandfather. Look him up, he's basically exactly the same but without the tattoos. They tried to really make Maui look awesome. Maybe some people interpreted it differently from how they intended, and maybe the caricaturing didn't quite land, but they weren't trying to make this deity of Polynesian culture out to be a fat lazy slob by any means.
@Psy Duck For real, like my faincé is definitely on the chubbier side but I've seen the man lift an average size refrigerator by himself, squishiness doesn't equal strength lol
From what i heard mauis bodytype was more natural body muscle mass than ripped body building, and he also looked similar to the rock's granddad who was also a strong guy (i think it was grandpa not 100% sure)
Ironically, people who say he looks like a slob are just applying THEIR western-centric ideals to the character
I thought it was cool that Disney portrayed Maui with a different body type than what you would typically associate with a physically fit and strong person (slim waist & defined muscles). In all reality, those body types aren't nearly as strong or have the amount of endurance than someone like Maui would have.
@Psy Duck spoilers:
*ahem* Endgame Thor
I have actually cried every single time I have watched Coco. I'm not a cry-person, at all. But still. Every. Single. Time. Remember me is just too powerful for my manly finnish soul.
I have watched Coco at LEAST 6 times due to it being my favorite movie. I cried *thrice* every single time I did.
this is facts
Sameeee
It's the part where Hector remembers singing Remember Me to Coco. I honestly had to pause for a second to sob because it was so beautiful
I will ALWAYS cry for remember me 😭 😭
my mom is puerto rican, and when we watched coco at home and the chorizo part came up she said-- "he choked on a wHAT-"
Jajajaja
OKAY NOW THAT YOU SAY THAT I GET IT JSJ
Yeah my mom said the same thing we are also Puerto Rican.
Yep, my Grandpa who is a Spainard lost his shit too.
I had to pause the movie cause I was laughing too hard
I like coco because people actually have reasons to be singing.
I love this comparison! I'm half Samoan and was so excited to see Moana, and while I like a lot of things about it, you're absolutely right about how Polynesian culture was pretty much just a tool for Disney to say "see? ~Diversity/cultural exploration~" without really putting in the work. Like you said, the story was not at all contingent on any aspect of Polynesian culture other than having folklore. Honestly - especially with characters like Tamatoa, Te Fiti, & the Kakamora - it seemed more like a fantasy/magical movie that just happened to contain islander elements.
Also, the soundtrack is nice but it was also really disappointing.
on god im full samoan and the song we know the way hittin diff when u understand the words
You got samoan in your veins
Sorry rock reference
But um... As far as I know, Te Fiti is based on a real goddess named Hine-nui-te-po and Cacamora areva thing too
The two things that bother me most is the way the take a wide range of interconnected cultures and just act like there's no distinction between them. They make it seem like Hawaiian, Tahitian, Samoan and Maori culture are all the same and don't need to be preserved as separate cultures. The other thing is copyrighting the word Moana. The audacity.
Oh good gods Hercules really confused me. Why is Zeus a good guy. Why is Zeus a good guy. Why. Why.
The actual question is: why is Hera a good guy? In the actual myth, she tried to kill Hercules...multiple times..
@@Alkiviadis_ plus dont forget that hercules was the roman name for his actual greek name: Heracles (like the beetle) Because hera was trying to kill him on several occasion, but survived
@@pifilixxiv3192 Ηρακλής to be exact
@@Alkiviadis_ I don't read Greek...
WHY DOES ZEUS LOVE HERA? WHYYYYYY???????
The sexual tension between Schaff and tomatoa makes me borderline uncomfortable
You called it out
who
schaff... you okay...?.... it's just a crab...
I really really REALLY don’t get why he’s so into the crab and shiny song. Is there some video where he actually, clearly explains it???
@@melTAMU11 Not very thoroughly, but watch his top 30 villain songs video. It's a quick explanation, but a very clear & to the point one.
Quick remark about people getting upset that Maui is portrayed as fat: he is not. He is absolutely not.
The way he is portrayed (solid stomach, no six pack, not 100 Kilos of muscles per arm) is the most accurate to legitimate strength you can get. Hollywood and Bodybuilder culture's got you brainwashed into thinking more muscles=more strength, but muscles are unnecessary and oftentimes even restrictive accessories. Most people with mountains for legs and arms couldn’t even complete a strongman's warm-up and would start panting like dying dogs. Look at strongmen, while we are at it. Do they fit in your typical "oh he’s got no defined muscles, that means he is purely made of fat"? Yes. Could they still snap your spine with their small toe? Also yes.
Tl;dr: Maui's not fat. He’s the closest to strong a human (or in this instance, demigod) can be, physically.
Yep. He doesn't have a six pack because you have to have a low amount of body fat to do that and it's just not feasible for most people who actually go out and do stuff.
@@renoloverxoxo
Hollywood actors also have to dehydrate themselves to lose water weight to make themselves super defined.
It's like these people never saw a real fat human to compare u.u
I was looking for this comment exactly, thank you.
Yes! Just look at Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson, the strongest man in 2018.
I remember seeing Coco for the first time in San Ysidro, a city directly bordering Mexico, with my Mexican family in a theater FULL of Latinos. The whole theater cracked up at jokes like the abuela throwing the chancla and the chorizó gag, and cried at the end when Miguel brought the photo back to Mama Coco (who happens to look JUST LIKE my deceased great grandmother, Nana Lupita). My grandmother ended up seeing the movie 3 times, and our local theaters screened the movie in English AND Spanish. I also remember recently rewatching Princess and the Frog with my Black friend, seeing her recite every word to the scenes with young Tiana & her family, and laughing with her at the gumbo bit. She explained that she knew it by heart because she watched it over and over as a young Black girl, just like my family had gone back again and again to see Coco. Representation matters! There’s so many different types of people out there in the world, all with beautiful, rich, complex stories to tell, and showcasing those perspectives just makes for better storytelling. The infusion of jazz into Princess in the Frog (though it is VERY flawed) and the celebration of mariachi in Coco just serves to make these movies BETTER & more musically distinct from other Disney/Pixar classics.
Also Maui's not overweight and people are stupid. He had real muscles, like how strong men have, not glamour muscles like body builders. He doesn't jiggle at all, he's a solid mass of muscle
I like your Doctor Who picture. Okay, bye.
Us Polynesians still don't like it he's still massive like many stereotypes say we are when a lot of us are slim and muscular it just seemed like they were giving into stereotypes when they made Maui. Toa Samoa that's all
You could say the same for coco
@@THE_GORILLAGUY_VR So, because some people think most polynesian are wide (which is true, polynesian being favored in that way by bone structure and genetics) it become a bad thing to portray a character, whom happens to be polynesian, as wide?
@@arthurbordet8754 No, it became a bad thing to portray a skinny and muscular character as wide. Maui was skinny before moana came out, I guess thats the problem people have with it.
Maui isn’t over weight, when you look at him move he doesn’t jiggle like fat, it’s all muscle but not like modern look where people work on definition it’s all size. A good example would be old school pro wrestler Peter Maivia, The Rocks grandfather. The Rock even talked about that misconception in interviews
Steven Dishongh Exactly Maui is well built and in incredible shape, most of his fat is muscle so he’s hardly obese
Steven Dishongh plus, take into consideration that a lot of the men in Moana are designed more stout. Maoi is super stout but he’s not fat. He doesn’t have a gut. He’s just really *THICK**
@@piratesfan123 Like sumo wrestlers. They're fat but also fit and swole behind all that fat.
Samoans are good example of that
Hes built like a lot if polynesian guys. They arent skinny but its not fat either. Its kinda like fat around muscle.
Y'know that "chocked on a chorizo" joke, I speak Spanish, and a pp joke wasn't my first initial thought was that they were making fun of the, "death by food" kind of thing.
Hi, Pacific Islander here 👋🏾
My whole life I've been interested in my Samoan culture, and I remember being unbelievably excited hearing about Moana when it came out. Yes, it's mostly set out on the ocean, but what's being forgotten is that voyaging was, in fact, a giant part of our culture. That's what my ancestors did, they set out on voyages, they used to the stars as a map, and Maui was part of the legends.
I do agree that it could have been executed much better, the dolls were most definitely...darker than you'd expect, but it was still enjoyable.
Although, I feel like most attention for Moana comes from the fact that Lin worked on music, and sang in two songs, one of them in the end credits. That's my problem with Moana, or the audience at least. Because I remember going through the comments on Moana-related videos and it _only_ being about Hamilton, the Pacific Islander comments near the bottom. So Disney kind of won, but also messed up with that one.
But also, as a comment on here said, Polynesian culture is more than _one culture._ There's a lot of islands, and although some cultures and languages may sound the same (an example is Tokelauan and Samoan), they're also different in their own ways. So combining all of these cultures together might have been difficult, considering they have to pack it into a one hour movie.
Coco accomplished Mexican culture because that's the only culture they were focusing on. Moana is more of a difficult subject with culture, because it's a vast majority of different ones.
You can tell Lin and whoever else wrote the music tried to incorporate different languages, with the opening song being in Samoan, "An Innocent Warrior" in Tokelauan (I think), and "We Know The Way" having Samoan for the first verse, Tongan in the second. There's other cultures (I'm saying this alot but I'm terrible at describing shit sorry), but those are the _main_ ones featured and given a glimpse at in Moana.
It must've been difficult trying to combine the other cultures into the movie without it confusing the audience or possibly getting something very wrong, so that's one reason why the movie could've taken place in the water the whole time. Because, especially when it's not your culture/a culture that's _rarely_ represented, research isn't always going to be enough, let alone trying to represent multiple cultures yourself.
I still think Moana was a fantastic movie and that not enough people talk about it. And it's obviously going to hold a special place in my heart because that's my people, with their own movie made by _Disney._
This is a great explanation. I liked that the film raised my interest in Polynesian cultures. I've never met any Polynesians so all I know is from what I've seen online and in films & tv. If they make Moana 2, I just hope they make the songs that are sung in Polynesian languages a lot longer.
Thanks for the explanation and opinion, that was interesting to read 🙂
Do you think they should have focused on just one Polynesian culture or do you think it was a good idea to amalgamate them so that all Polynesians could be at least somewhat represented?
Also I’m wondering what your thoughts are on the fact that Disney can now cash in on every culture it chooses to represent. It kind of seems like a downside to representation, especially by a giant like Disney. I always kind of think the worst type of cultural appropriation is when members of a powerful/oppressive culture capitalize on oppressed/marginalized cultures by commercializing those cultures, eg. a massive US corporation like Disney profiting off of selling little plastic models of Moana’s wa’a kaulua while so many Polynesian nations still experience striking poverty after colonialism, or profiting off of their little Día de los Muertos plaza at Disneyland while Mexicans suffer from extreme poverty in Mexico and discrimination and cruel immigration enforcement in the US.
Sorry, I didn’t mean for that to be such a downer. I just feel like the representation in these movies is getting better and better and it’s really cool but there’s always the subsequent cash grab of merchandising that kind of negates Disney’s attempts at progressivism. I think it could only be solved if the people profiting off of that merchandising (and the films themselves) were the people being depicted in the films.
@@bonesandhearts5683 No, no! It's all good, I'm glad you shared your insights!
As far as Polynesian culture representation, I think it's good they chose to try and incorporate different ones, being as, again, the Polynesian/Pacific Islander culture is really underrepresented and not talked about that much, especially in modern day America. I mean hey, it's better than just saying "Hawaiians are the only Polynesians!"
I personally think that after the Disney Renaissance, the company clearly began to grow. But as they started doing CGI and whatnot, they started focusing more on the franchise rather than making a good movie. That's why Ralph Breaks The Internet was such a flop. They knew they didn't have to try because it'd appeal to younger children anyway, which means more "I want this toy, I want that," and more purchases on merchandise and whatever.
Although, I do 100% see your point with the representation part. How many Polynesian cultures still struggle after the colonization, and how Mexican/Hispanic immigrants are being treated at the border. And to that I'll simply say;
Do I think representation of underrated cultures is good? Absolutely! Especially if you have younger children watching, it might help them learn something. Do I think profiting off of the project is bad? No, it just depends on how you approach it (i.e not whitewashing darker skinned characters, not making toys look offensive, etc). But do I think doing all this and choosing NOT to speak out/try to help these struggling cultures that you've represented is bad? In a way, yes. I understand Disney has different parts to take over, considering how big of a company it is. Whether it be maintaining Disney World/Land Parks, budgeting out movies, advertisement, etc. That takes a lot. But I think they should still try and help these countries they're putting on the big screen, because many people will see these places and go touring, ignoring the big issue that may be happening that they're unaware of, you know?
There's two sides to every story, and I like to stay open-minded. And in this case, you're making absolutely great points. Sorry I didn't reply sooner btw
KT W Thanks so much for replying 😊
I should give you fair warning that I’m...not a big fan of capitalism. Like I think modern racism was invented to further capitalism and that Disney will never really be a net positive for the world in terms of ending global injustices as long as it’s a corporate giant and the means of production remain un-seized 😬. The workers gotta grab those wacom cintiqs, y’know?
But like, regardless, marginalized people need to be represented in media. I totally support that. And, while we’re stuck with global capitalism, I think what would make the cash-grabbiness of these movies and merchandise better would be if the people making the movies and selling the merchandise were members of those cultures. Like not just the voice actors or the consultants or the directors or the screenwriters, but like the people actually making bank off of this stuff. Like representation in media shouldn’t just refer to who’s being portrayed, but also who is producing the media. Basically I think it would be better if these films and merchandise were products of the places they represent. Like, Disney movies and merch are all products of the US and any profits made off of them end up contributing to the US GDP. I think it would be better if Disney was partnered with an actual Samoan or Mexican animation studio and if they just kind of used their influence and reach to help produce something that would ultimately be a product of Mexico/Samoa and contribute to the Mexican/Samoan GDP.
Also the things you mentioned about people seeing the movies and touring the places but not being aware of the larger issues - I think that’s a great point. On the one hand, at least tourism could be a way that the places/cultures depicted in these films can profit off of the movies. On the other hand, it’s a disservice if tourists aren’t aware of the problems people living there actually face. That’s actually one of the reasons I liked Lilo and Stitch: it does perpetuate the “Hawaiians are the only Polynesians” trope, but at least it actually does depict some of the issues native Hawaiians have to deal with, including ignorant white tourists. You’ve got Lilo feeling like an outsider in the place and culture she’s from (eg. when the white girls in her hula class ostracize her), you’ve got money issues that force Nani to work at a tourist trap and Lilo to entertain tourists for cash, you’ve got state interference in Nani and Lilo’s lives (ie. the scary social worker threatening to take Lilo away)...idk it’s actually surprisingly good.
That said, I don’t think every Disney movie that features marginalized people should be about their struggles. I like that Moana and Coco are triumphant portrayals of their respective cultures. I do think it’s good to have that mix though; having some movies like Lilo and Stitch might help with the ignorant tourist issue.
Sorry this is so freaking long and rambling. You just made me think is all 😊
I completely agree with you and so appreciate the thoughtfulness of your responses here! I am half-Tahitian. I think one of the things the creator of this video is not considering is how Polynesians are not really represented in popular media, at least not in the US. We aren't taught about Polynesian history the way we learn about Greek history in school, and we aren't exposed to Polynesian traditions the way we might see Mexicans in our community celebrate important days such as Dia de los Muertos. We are truly a minority. When I say I was born in Tahiti, most people have no idea where or what that is. Other than the Rock and a few specific films, Americans don't have the chance to learn about us, and so this film had a huge task in educating people about our culture in a way that was digestable and didn't take away from the story. It seemed to also feel the pressure to represent all of us, which I personally thought was cool, but again, a huge task.
It felt as though the qualities to the story that were specifically Polynesian were very clear to Polynesians, such as Mama Tala coming back as a manta ray...the fact that Moana, as a woman, was chief is another, as pre-colonization, Polynesian cultures were egalitarian and not the patriarchal structure we see now...even the little things like tatau, taro, the siva or ori, the tiare flowers in the background. There were a lot of Polynesian details there if you knew what to look for. I felt that they tried to weave the traditions of Polynesia into the story, but the knowledge base on the culture would need a more solid base for it to register the way that the cultural pieces of Coco did. That being said, I do think Coco did a way more effective job at representing Mexican culture than Moana did, and it makes me wonder if they would have been more successful if they had "picked a lane" and just made Moana a specific Polynesian culture.
I personally would have loved if they made the story more a deal where she traveled around Polynesia, learning from each group of people, instead of with those stupid monsters and the kakamora, which def were not represented well at all!
*Saying that the princess and the frog wasn't memorable* I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that
I haven't seen it in years but I still remember it and how much I loved it, so same
I haven't seen it since I was a kid and only vaguely remember that the villain turns the prince in to a frog and I believe that when she kisses the prince she is turned in to a frog too, but to be fair, I haven't seen it since I was a kid...
i truly respect this comment and your profile picture. god bless tsukiyama shuu (and my man facilier)
It really isn't. If you cut out all the frog stuff and the stupid firefly stuff, then it's fine.
@@barbaro267 If you cut out all the frog stuff.... From The Princess and the Frog...
Legit, watching Coco in theaters for the first time. There was an audio error with the film and you just heard static during the short. That was more entertaining than the short itself.
Viva
iconic
I don't think that was an error I think that was an employee trying to save you.
@@plbster he sabotaged the movie took a risk for his career, just to save these viewers... what a hero
Mathor Sionur that employee should get the noble prize.
The part they got right the most in Moana was "We Know the Way", where they have the voyagers singing in their preferred dialect, aka the only one they know, and have a different singer song the part in English, which I like a lot.
Both made me laugh but only Coco made me cry. Coco I think is far superior.
It made me cry. Laugh not so much.
I feel biased for loving Coco more.. but seriously the feels in Coco.
I cried for both. I cried when the grandma died and came back in Moana(she’s my favorite character besides Tomatoa). I cried during Coco when Miguel started singing Remember Me to his grandma.
Coco was full of forced sadness. And did you seriously cry over it? -_- Your probably one of those annoying shits in Pixar movies that always cry and it's so annoying and I can never hear the damn dialogue you privileged white suburban kid
@@Emerardostay away from Vegas cause, literally everything you betted on was inaccurate. Lol.
I thought the whole cultural appropriation thing with Hercules was just supposed to be purely comedic, and not an attack on Greek culture.
I mean yeah but it still doesn't make it a good thing.
Same thoughts.
It's not about whether it's an attack, but whether it would have been cool if it actually referenced Greek culture and mythology a bit more. And I think it would have been.
Honestly I heard way more racist things about Greece from other Europeans on r/Europe, a subreddit that I found to be more racist than r/Donald sometimes.
I'm kinda with Lindsay Ellis on this one-cultural appropriation is neutral without oppressive force to it. An American-made movie appropriating Greek culture is harmless, because not only has Greek culture never been systemically oppressed, it's been fucking ELEVATED. Nazis loved Greek culture! Victorians loved Greek culture! We act like it was the great beacon of Western Civilization, instead of Literally The Worst. No Greek-American person has ever been punished for practicing Traditional Greek Medicine. No Greek-American schoolchild has been hit with a ruler for speaking the Greek language, or for doodling an engraving of Zeus.
Now, if it was a British movie about Polish folklore, there'd be more of an argument. But racism has different targets over the Atlantic. Greek people aren't really a race here.
hot take but Coco was hilarious and I freaking died when the guy said "my mini fridge? my good napkins? my FEMUR where is my FEMUR"
Hopefully you cried when he disappeared
that dude was funny. rip whoever hes supposed to represent
Hector: Sings to daughter.
Ernesto: Swippy swine, that song is mine!
can we make miguel a disney princess? please?
@Aidan Maxwell They did once release a aline of toys called "Disney Heroes" (If my memory of seeing it on the Disney Wiki years ago is correct), using characters like Peter Pan, Hercules and even a few of the princes. Considering it's no longer around, I'm guessing it did not sell well.
It’s kinda sad because the movie Alladin was ABOUT Alladin, and he even gets underrepresented in media to the princess of his story, Jasmine
yikes
@Aidan Maxwell you're complaining about nothing. you probably shouldn't be too invested in Disney anyway
Well, technically, Leia is now a Disney Princess
I’m sorry, I would still put Coco a half mile ahead of Moana
I really didn’t enjoy Moana I felt it was super boring. But Coco was absolutely amazing for me
Same, I might be biased bc I'm Mexican but the plot was way more interesting and had a lot of depth, the story went beyond the 'kid following his passion' story but focused on family dynamics as well--a topic that is HUGE in Hispanic culture-- and integrated it within the culture in a way that people of all walks of life could relate to.
I felt moana's story was severely lacking in that depth that going into the cultural world further would have provided and replaced it with shiny characters to fluff up the plot and give it Broadway appeal.
Though I liked moana I left the theater disappointed by the near surface level integration of such a beautiful culture.
I related to much to coco, it made me smile because it was so accurate of mexican culture, as a mexican, coco is my close second favorite Disney film (Pixar is owned by Disney) first favorite is princess and the frog
TheSaxRunner05, I’d say they are equal in quality
@@lunchbagmermaid4590 I've basically memorized the plot of Moana. When I was younger, my siblings and we would try to sing the instrumental version of songs. AND WE WOULD DO IT PERFECTLY. So, yeah. I'm kind of biased against Moana. .-.
As someone born and raised in New Zealand, I couldn't agree with you more. They just like, completely left out all of the great history and rich culture of polynesian people. There are so, so many things they could have added to the benefit of the plot. Even just the fricking carving has such a dense story. Tattos? Yeah that's a thing for us. A bigger thing is carving. How amazing would it have been if Maui's island, instead of having tally marked rocks, had huge pillars showing his past and present anguish. I died a little when I heard all the broadway-esque music instead of the beautiful waiata these groups are known for.
Sounded waiata to me.
Although I'm not Polynesian soooo.......
Yeah, I'm new Zealand raised not Maori but I know a lot about the culture since they made a big move to teach it at school and it was so amazing to see that cause I was sitting there like OML I know what they mean, this movie actually good
Wait, people think Maui is overweight?
Ok, ok, I understand how people can think that. He doesn't have a Dorito body, he has a brick. However, what some people forget is that not every strong person is going to have a 6 pack and every muscle in their body traceable. In fact, most men will never have a 6 pack relaxed, every picture of a 6 pack is from someone flexing. However, that excludes bodybuilders who go on stage, but they are often at their weakest during that time. They are dehydrated to keep their skin tight over their muscles.
Maui is strong and well-muscled, but not defined.
Now, I might be pulling this out of my ass, but I do also remember someone mentioning that Maui is based off the rock's father. The rock's dad was not defined, not every muscle in his body is outlined, but he is very strong and well-muscled. A much better portrayal of a strong person without the American body standard of needing a 6 pack to be considered strong.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
He's based off the rocks grandfather who was Samoan ,Toa Samoa! Anyways tho Us Polynesians still don't like it he's still massive like many stereotypes say we are when a lot of us are slim and muscular it just seemed like they were giving into stereotypes when they made Maui. plus the Rock's grandfather wasn't massive he has muscle
@@THE_GORILLAGUY_VR I'm Samoan and I'm okay with him being a big bulky dude. Hell I like that he's such a big and lovable showoff.
@@THE_GORILLAGUY_VR maui historically was kinda a runt anyway so idk why they based it off the rocks dad
I think people see him as fat due to the obesity in Oceania (well, Samoa as far as I know. I'm Samoan and I hate to say it, but I've got some pretty big aunties and uncles, and the people on the islands are big too). But I completely agree. People thinkt hat "buff" means muscle, muscle, and more muscle.
i really just think it’s because of the way he’s depicted in their legends that they wanted a slimmer more defined version of Maui. But i agree that many people who are solid rock hard muscles aren’t Defined but from a cultural standpoint i 100% agree with the Polynesian people who wanted their culture depicted in a way that they made it.
9:19
Pixar: **Makes four movies where the main characters are toys**
and they're all great
I will never be not amazed by just how much details Pixar puts into their movies , the whole setting of Coco was magical ,heck even when playing the guitar Michael wasn't just randomly strumming , every single cords were on point..
as a mexican, coco was AMAZING for me. that movie showed the culture spot on and honestly is so important. Hispanic representation matters!!!!! there's not enough of it in mainstream media :(
We’ve all learnt that mainstream media isn’t all the best...
I'm not expecting any more representation, really... at least not at this time. But I was so thankful that they did their research on the matter and depicted everything so perfectly, I really love el día de los muertos, and everything felt so close to home that I cry from the very begining xD
Why should USA make movies about mexicans though lol? I'm armenian and i don't demand americans to make a movie about us. Watch your own domestic movies
S t a r F a l l I live in America, where we're supposed to be diverse. your logic is flawed
@@eepyc0re so? A lot of Armenians live in USA. You don't see them bitching about "not enough of my ppl on american tv". How pathetic. And Coco wasn't about mexican americans, it was about mexicans. The point is you don't have the right to tell USA they need to make movies about other cultures. If they get inspired by some other culture and make an entertaining movie - ok good. But they don't OWE ANYTHING to mexicans or anyone else.
"The shiny"
Yes, we know you love him and his ultra catchy song.
The gary
EpicPinkCreeper I like the rock cover better
in the spanish is shit too. I don´t understant the hype about that character. Please, someone tell me what is all about
I didn't even know he was a thing. I'm surprised, honestly. I know he's snarky and kind of funny, and he was a surprise to the audience for not being in the promos...maybe that's all it took?
@@MortalAnonymous Perhaps he is so over the top that he is perfect? I don't know. His animation was great though, but his whole scene felt like a "crocodile moment" to me
I recall watching a short blerb about the writers of Moana interviewing Polynesian people on stories they’ve heard about Maui. Although he was described as an average-sized man they wanted him to be seen as a “larger than life” character because of all the things he’s done. The writers and character artists meant no harm when they designed Moana’s Maui to look large. And I say “large” because the first thought that popped into my head when I saw Maui is “damn, that’s a lot of muscle” not “damn, Disney made a stereotypical fat Polynesian character.”
Exactly. I honestly didn't even know people thought Maui was fast until this video. For me it was a mix of the art style where everything and everyone doesn't have many sharp lines or edges (everything is soft lines and round), and that Maui is an absolute UNIT. I just assumed that he had literally Godly levels of muscles.
His proportions are more realistic and useful for actual strength rather than just cosmetic purposes
Same for the Maui like why did he think he was fat that dude just had some muscle milk
I do understand what you mean but growing up when I heard this story of Maui it was of this average boy that did things no one had expected of him. The Maui in the movie felt strange, and when I saw him it wasn't the Maui I grew up hearing stories about, I am sure Disney meant no harm, and I see why they made him so large (I personally never thought he was fat but to each their own). I just think it would've been nice to see a more culturally accurate depiction of one of the most famous legends in Polynesian culture. Although, in saying that, I do admit that I think if they made him smaller he would probably fall to the stereotypical attractive male that is often depicted with Disney male leads so it's kind of a lose, lose situation.
Same, I never thought of Maui as fat, I see him as strong. I wasn't even aware it was a stereotype.
Besides it was the Rock playing him so I thought Maui was partially based off the actor, especially because I've heard Disney's Maui described as "The Rock, but with hair".
Maui was a trickster god. He wasn’t exactly the embodiment of nobility.
So we could’ve gotten the Polynesian version of Loki and we got a god who needs to grow into what real courage and heroism is.
932ForeverLove They tried to do that.
Why didn’t they follow through with it?! One of her obstacles could’ve been outsmarting Maui!
Trickster doesn't necessarily mean bad guy. He did things like steal fire and trick his brothers into creating the islands. Yes, he tricked people, but it helped others. Hawaiian Superman is a song written by a Hawaiian that really explains this.
Maui was a trickster god, but he was not a cruel one...
Coco - 97 rotten tomatoes
Moana - 96 rotten tomatoes
Coco - 2 oscars
Moana - 0 oscars
Coco - 807 million dollars
Moana - 643 million
Coco became the highest grossing film of all time in Mexico , the market it was supposed to be representing . [ up until infinity war broke it by a little bit the following year ]
Well, it was for a few months, Avengers Infinity War is now the highest grossing film in Mexico
Disney is Disney, Pixar is Disney, Marvel is Disney. Everything is Disney
Bottom line: Disney is swimming in money!
Disney will dominate the world
Starfire Storm
Yeah by like 3 million
If you dont know, the song Remember me is a song that talks about the inmigrants, those parents that have to leave their kids in MEXICO to earn money to feed them. A friend of my parents tell us that when she heard that song, she cried because she remember her dad that go to USA to win money for her, and never could come back. This song represents all of those families, and is really heartbreaking to hear it. I love this movie 'cause I really feel the mexican vibes (I'm mexican, i know what im talking about), and feel extremely proud of my country when I saw that movie, and feel proud and laugh imagining the Americans seeing that and don't understandint anything of the spanish. If I write something wrong in gramatic or a wrong word, tell me please so I can improve mi language, thank you
No. That song is about Hector leaving Coco.
Igual bro, recuerdo verla y sentirme tan conectada con la cultura como ninguna pelicula me a hecho sentir (aparte de tal vez, ROMA, pero no es tanto mi época)
😢
I don't see how you would be proud of a country that has a high poverty rate and relies on its northern neighbor to illegally tract money to make up for its loses. Sure it's a horrible reality, but it is what is it. But the Spanish adapted culture is pretty cool.
@@Coldfront15 if that’s the first thing you think of when anyone mentions Mexico you’re obviously a Trump supporter
"-live action version coming 2052" well it came way sooner and god I wish it didn't
i really hated disney making hades out to be a bad guy when he was the chillest god in all of the greek myths and zeus was the literal nightmare and the source of everyones problems and hera with her jealousy caused the rest.
edit: this is the most likes ive ever gotten.
He did kidnap one girl to be fair. But he did it cause he wanted to marry her (I guess asking just didn't occur to him). And since she apparently eventually fell in love with him too, I'm thinking there's at least a... 75% chance there was no rape involved. Unlike every occasion Zeus found a girl mildly attractive.
@@MsLilly200 zeus got lucky with his boyfriend though, ganymede was the only lover that was granted immortalitity. Hera still wasnt happy, obviously.
and no, there was no rape involved, which is suprising considering the culture of anchient greece, with their "women should be greatful to be raped" crap. Hades was a chill guy, and persephone- in all versions of the myth- got the best card in the entire deck, i mean, she could have ended up with apollo, but hes unlucky and shed probably wind up turned into something else, or she could have ended up with a man that would abuse her, but instead she got Hades, a man who genuinely loved her and wasnt a massive sack of shit.
thats another problem with media when depicting hades. they make hades and persephones relationship really toxic and absuive, but hera and zeus' not? appearantly?
in hercules why wasnt hera pissed beyond her wits? hercules isnt hers, zeus cheated on her to make him.
I'm pretty sure they changed pretty much everything for the Disney version of Hercules. It's not exactly a child friendly story. Iirc in the Disney version Hera was his mom. It certainly looked like it in the opening of the movie, and there was no other mom shown besides the woman who adopted him (with her husband) after he crashed superman-style onto earth.
@@MsLilly200 thats true
That's why I enjoyed Percy Jackson a lot. Hades was basically only one not breaking promises and staying loyal and being good dad
I didnt actually notice Maui being overweight. I tought he was just muscular...
he isnt overweight
*Maui*
maui
@@foiibaddiix whatever
He isn't really, it's just the actual complexion a normal human being should have to have that much strenght. It's realistic, but because media have thaught us that "if you don't have a six pack, you are fat", that's why some people thought that he was fat.
I'M IN LOVE WITH THE COCO.
ITS DA COCO NUT NUT
You're beating Justin y at this point
The coco of the movis or the one that eats little kids?
No
DAMMIT I WANTED TO SAY THAT
I don’t know why Schaffrilla is obsessed with the coconut crab from Moana
And at this point I’m too afraid ask...
Schrafilla X Tamatoa OTP.
@Ipinu Yusuf and this is the part where the vore happens
@I do not kn ow what to put
tHIS AINT FUNNY CUZ I READ A FRIGGEN VORE FANFIC OF TAMATOA X READER VORE FIC
@@goldengifts3830 *oh no*
anyways link?
nicolas sieh
You can like go google and search it there, the moana vore content is multiplying im so scared wtf
*“It’s not the best, but it is my favorite”*
I like how you made a distinction between the two
That's because there is a distinction
evil dead 2 is my favorite movie, it is not even close to the best movie
+Darth Godzilla Yeah, but not everybody makes it.
An opinion and quality are 2 different things
As a Catholic, I think Disney did a great job with Hunchback’s integration of Catholic culture while still keeping the film enjoyable to most people. For example, the music is filled with parts where the choir sings in Latin in the background. In fact, the song Hellfire’s intro translates to, “I confess to almighty God, the blessed Mary, ever virgin, blessed Michael the archangel, the sacred apostles, and all of the saints,” right before Frollo confronts his guilt about his lustful feelings for Esmeralda. I also think it’s great how Frollo misunderstands three church’s teachings, and I like that the villain in a movie that is filled with Catholicism’s fatal flaw is his pride. Pride is the root of all sin. Stuff like that is partially because of Victor Hugo, but it comes off really well.
Yeah, actually.
Hunchback is a highly underrated Disney movie. You cannot change my mind.
Iveta W the Musical is even better
Adam Schofield correct!
Wrong movie pal. It is about a nation ravaged by the Catholic inquisition, but still, wrong movie
A lot of Polynesians had actual complaints with Moana as the movie just blended all their cultures together, but they overlooked it for representation
They did blend in all the culteres together for moana i am a local and just wanna say that maui is hawaiian because he is someone that was a trckster maybe tough? But idk
Uw U aren’t they representing mostly Somoan culture?
@@anarch1.c yes but they were clearly trying to put both together and plus I may have forgot where maui came from but ik that my hawaiian teachers told us about this im not so sure
Probably inevitable for we group them together as 'polynesian' in the first place
One of the reasons I liked coco so much is because it’s finally accurately portrayed Mexican culture without making it look like Spain for example the book of life, that movie would be great without all the inaccurate bullshit but as a half Mexican who is stuck seeing stereotypes in movies it was really great seeing coco do something right
I’m not Mexican, and I thought _The Book of Life_ was good but I was well and aware how very inaccurate it was to Mexican culture (I watched it for the first time long after I watched _Coco_ multiple times and studied some aspects of Latin American culture) and the Day of the Dead itself. I remember having to watch it in Spanish class because it was about the Day of the Dead, and my opinion on the film is, as I stated before, I thought it was fine but _Coco_ is significantly better than _The Book of Life_ in every single way. I’d give _The Book of Life_ a 6/10 and Coco a _8.5/10_ because it is significantly better in every way, but I do love the toy art style of _The Book of Life._ I think bull fighting is much bigger in Spain, I don’t know if it has much of a presence in Mexico or the rest of Latin America. I just checked and it is legal in most states of Mexico, but some states have banned it. Yeah, I did feel that _The Book of Life_ took a bit too much from actual Spanish culture and not Mexican culture. The ruler of the Land of the Forgotten was named Xibalba, the Mayan name for the underworld which is neat, but I’m pretty sure the ruler of the Land of the Remembered is just a folk heroine and not a goddess or place.
Ironically I think Disney is more guilty of making Spain look like Mexico.
You said, and I quote: "Moana is my favorite movie. But it's NOT the best."
Because everyone knows, Coco wins. Coco is the best.
Coco also isn’t the best Disney movie
Subjectivity or something whaddyakno
@@therewasoldcringe coco was made by pixar; which disney owns.
@@rad7149 but it is not under Walt Disney
@@therewasoldcringe if it isn't Disney then why is it on Disney plus? Eh?
What about Lilo and Stitch's Hawaiian representation
Especially the deleted scene with the tourists
"Ohana means family, and family means nobody gets left behind or forgotten"
Thank you, Lilo and Stitch
@@rachanabaditha9618 That song in the opening credits?
That has Hawaiian culture all over it.
Karaoke Corgi last hawaiian queen would be proud
i’m hawaiian and african american idk i just had to say that lmao
"Coco has a much richer story"
well yeah it made more money at the box office
laugh.
also you used a picture of shin godzilla so now I have to force you to watch the movie 7 times, please understand that I was probably gonna do that anyway.
That’s because all the Mexican mothers forced their husbands and five children to watch the movie with them
@@marceloayala4934 wow racist much?
SpaceTree Studios Well worldwide anyways, domestically speaking Moana made slightly more
Khadijah Johnson nah it’s true i was almost forced to watch it
DONT SLANDER THE PRINCESS AND THE FROG LIKE THAT! IT’S A GREAT MOVIE!
I agree! I'm from New Orleans and I loved having a story based on where I'm from! Plus, Tiana was awesome! She was a hard-working girl with a dream and worked to the bone to achieve it, the villain was cool, 2D animation was beautiful, both protagonists had character development, and it actually had a death of a protagonist, which is rare. The villain is really memorable. No disrespect on one of my favorite Disney movies, lol.
meanwhile he is acting like moana is spectactular even after calling it bland, smh
@@kailar1956 plus the villain gets dragged off to *literal hell* which is always fun
@@sillygoosetaur LMAO I WAS TRAUMATIZED WHEN I SAW THAT AS A KID
True
I’ve heard that it was only western audiences who thought Maui’s depiction was overly chubby - it was only hearsay but apparently his large figure and wild hair are considered powerful in Polynesian culture.
To be honest, in America at least, we don't really care how cultures actually feel about being appropriated, just how we assume they would feel.
Hey, we westerners love to appropriate others offence over ‘appropriation’.
i honestly just thought that maui is just like those body builders. like a bubbly jason mamoa
He wasnt even fat in the movie,it was muscle.
Americans are just so used to offending everyone that they just expect to do so at this point.
The Maui costume was probably a bad idea though.
This guy being Greek is the biggest surprise this week.
Hey that Rythme lmao 🤣
I had a weirdly unique experience with Coco cause like... I'm half Mexican but I didn't get to experience much of my family's culture beyond the first few years of my life. Certain aspects of Coco reminded me of my family (I laughed way harder than I probably should've when the grandma kept piling the plate with tamales because my own abuela was exactly like that), and Mexican music always brings up some weird nostalgic primal part of my childhood that I can't put a very strong finger on. I was simultaneously in on a few jokes and distanced in some other aspects (where most people unfamiliar with the culture would be). I enjoyed it and cried a lot and experienced a lot of emotions I didn't have names for haha
Not part Mexican, but being mixed race myself I can relate... Like there are cultural things that seem 'right' to me, but I almost feel bad participating.
Canalave Maiden [plz look at my playlists thnx]
Exactly!
Canalave Maiden [plz look at my playlists thnx] I relate to this
So, I’m white as snow, but I grew up surrounded by Mexican culture; I also found a deep connection with Coco, through all of my experiences with the culture. It was simultaneously isolating and comforting to watch it.
Gotta say bro, using Spanglish is kinda cringy. Just a friendly tip.
They already addressed the Maui thing. They had a staff of Polynesian people to run ideas by and catch anything upsetting, and they helped design the version of Maui that was in the film. They wanted him to be larger than life--literally, and the thing is, when someone is truly physically strong and not some glass canon bodybuilder they will still have "fat weight" along with their muscle. Only lean-muscled individuals lack much of their fat weight.
also they wanted him to look like the Rock
Most of the complaint was by people who were not aware of the culture.
Not to mention Dwayne Johnson (aka the Rock and voice of Maui) shared via twitter and a short Disney promo that Maui's design was partially inspired by his grandfather; High Chief Mavia of Samoa, and a Polynesian body builder/wrestler.
@@TheMangakaOtakuLife yep and that his grandfather appearence is actually quite normal in Polynesian culture. But tell that to the ones that complained and still complain about it. Ironically these people are the same ones that will later attack other films like Ghost in the Shell despite the movie fairly being faithful to the source material
yeah he is fat, but looks strong without the classic cone shape, makes him standout in comparisson with other heroes tht ll look the same
I never did see maui as “overweight” just a big boi, like the heavy from TF2, technically heavier than the average guy but not because of an overindulge in snacks or a glandular problem. Also I think they made maui large so they could have more room to animate his tatoos and give off that sense of “this dude is a cut above the rest” since he’s a demigod,
Coco is good but...
C R A B B O I
Both movies are worth seeing. Great music, beautiful visuals, and likable characters.
@@AlmightyPolarBear i know i just love tamatoa
Nathan Williamson I saw Moana once and the only thing I loved about it is the animation and Tamatoa
But I loved everything about Coco.
@@louminouz Coco is more worth it. I actually prefer "DEVIL BOX" over Shiny
Pixar: Hey guys. Check out this thing I made about mexico
disney:. Cool.... coolocoolcool
how about when we show it before we just O L A F
CoolocooloCoolocoolo
They really love O L A F
Disney literally worked with the Polynesian cultural organization. They're the ones who kept telling them to make him bigger. They wanted him to be bigger than life.
You can never please woke.
I feel like Disney have definatly made progress with Encanto. The music fits, the culture and language is used well. The story actually included a little bit Colombian history when Abuela was running away. They included the river which was inspired by a real river in Colombia. I have to say, it's a big step up.
Encanto felt soulless not like coco where you explored a country’s beautiful culture. Encanto felt like a movie about a girl who happens to be Colombian coco felt like they were tryna tell you about a country’s culture through a well written story. Tier wise I would put Encanto at C tier and Coco S tier with Toy Story.
@@TheHispanicmaidCap
9:51
As a mexican, this image is fucking hilarious, plus that stereotype about mexicans that is joke fuel in México that we never arrive on time, this is comedy gold right here for me, this is my humor, how low have I fallen
wait
why would only Spanish audiences get the chorizo joke?
do you not have chorizo where you live?
oh you poor poor things
ALeafOnTheWind that’s what I was thinking too!
Yup I live in Utah one state away from Mexico and haven't heard of chorizo until I watched coco.
Well, luckily there's some chorizo in Texas
not all of us are being """culturally enriched""" by mexicans
Ink I live in Texas but unfortunately I have never had chorizo
I totally agree with you. Moana was a nice movie, but Coco completely blew me away.
Seeing Jisoo in your profile, you liking Coco better is no surprise. You’re an intelectual 💯
Kosmik Yessss. Thank you! ❤️
100%
“Your Welcome” was my favorite song in Moana and one of my favorite songs. As a Hawaiian person who lived in Hawai’i their whole life, I grew up hearing and reading stories of Maui’s many feats and all the things he did for humans, and it was really cool to see that in a song.
One reason I can see the music for Moana being not as effective and more Broadway is because of one simple fact. Lin Manuel Miranda did the music for Moana, whereas Michael Giacchino did the music for Coco. Lin's music style is very broadway and there are examples of this is disney movies and the entirety of the musical Hamilton. Michael has done music specifically for video games and movies since 1994.
Michael giacchino also did the music fro The Incredibles (i'm pretty sure), and that track is a BOMB
Waiiit. CinemaWins Giacchino ?with the awesome scores?
@@lulolie I'm not sure , sorry.
Lucen Smith idk, but he’s definitely the composer for “The Incredibles”
69th like nice
"pixar doesn't care about selling toys" "only if they fail spectacularly"
Buddy, cars made 10 billion bucks in merchandizing. With a B.
He also dragged Brave before...
@@renoloverxoxo yeah because Brave is shit
@@nanuqo2006 it is
The correct saying is "Their focus is telling a good story, even if they fail spectacularly" this has nothing to do with their toys and merchandise.
Toy Story.
Here’s what I kinda feel when it comes to music:
Moana is a musical movie
Coco is a movie intwined with music
agreed
My grandma and I watched Coco together and she cried watching it, she knew la llorona when she was little and she herself felt like she was acknowledged. I’m going to take her to watch Encanto because we aren’t Mexican but Colombians. But nonetheless it felt good to see our Latin brethren represented to the point where it made our hearts wrench.
The main thing that a lot of people tend to forget about Disney movies, is that they’re almost always “Adaptations” of classic stories with a lot of creative liberties. Just look at the original story of Pinocchio and then look at Disney’s adaptation of it, and they’re almost two completely different stories, the same can be said of most of the other movies they made.
You can still represent a culture well in an adaption tho, which they still have trouble with. They're learning progressively with each movie, from the natives of peter pan to Pocahontas to Moana though so that's good.
And seeing how Coco represented Mexican culture so well and seeing how everyone in the Latino community loved it for that reason and more.
Yuyari Cachimuel Well I hope they keep doing that. Several of their movies are often set in Europe but there is very little to nothing of the actual European culture being potrayed at and very inaccurat at potraying the stories its based on.
Yeah, but only for native cultures that will get pissed off at them if wrongly portrayed, there is essentially nothing culturally Scandinavian in Little Mermaid or Frozen, It just looks like it and the names match up, just like all their other movies.
MDP_Toaster that's a good point actually, they're expected to put a lot more effort into accuracy now than they ever were/did with the others.
If moana’s Soundtrack included more songs like we know the way then I think it would be a different story. The amount of research from Lin Manuel Miranda into making that song is insane- he used a Polynesian language that very few people still speak and went to the trouble of finding an actual native speaker who could translate.
That song was written by a Polynesian songwriter. Lin just did the English translation parts that he ended up singing in the movie.
also there are no "demi-gods" in Polynesian myths, Maui would be classified as a kupua, not half a god but more like super powerful people.
demi-gods is super powerful people.
@@miamama9886 demi gods are offspring of gods, they can be powerful but need to have god lineage to be considered a demi god.
I was a bit taken aback when I realised he's not related to gods while they told his backstory. But demi-god, as I found out after finishing the movie, can refer to a mortal that has risen to a more divine status, so I guess they're not far off?
It would've been interesting if they integrated the term kupua into the movie somehow though, as from my POV it speaks of Polynesian cultures quite a lot... It's nice to know why they called him a demi-god even though he doesn't fit the wide-spread defintion.
Are you Polynesian Sarah? Yeah I dont think so, let the real ones decide
Hi! That's actually false. Maui is the most prominent demi-god from Maori culture, the indigenous people of New Zealand (which is part of Polynesia). His story in Moana is largely similar to the original myths, though there are some discrepancies, likely for storyline sake.
Maui isn’t depicted as overweight. He’s muscular.
He's definitely overweight though. Just because he's muscular doesn't mean he isn't overweight. Not to mention that several Polynesian countries have the fattest people in the world.
@ you sure the place with the fattest people is not America?
@@buildup3592 nope, oceania
@ Polynesians largely live in poverty. Poverty and obesity go hand in hand.
@@buildup3592 my life has been a lie
Disney: we’re going to tell a generic story that has a unique culture as its back drop
Pixar: we’re going to tell a generic story that has a unique culture as an integral part of the story
Yeah half the songs, references, characters and plot points of Moana are integrally based on Polynesian culture, history/mythology, and tradition...
I wouldn’t say that coco’s story was generic but maybe I’m just a biased Mexican ❤️
I don't even remember the events in Moana but Coco was much more memorable and it was actually funny too.
Agree
I swear the chicken was way too annoying, I don't get why someone would think that was a good idea...
@@stephanideleon7215 i never minded the chicken ... it didnt really affected the film honestly
I cried like a baby at the end of coco and my younger cousins kept making fun of me
Me too, I was an emotional MESS😭😭😭
when they get older, theyll understand. i mightve cried too much in that movie
“Live action version coming 2052”
Ancient one; “I believe you’re about 30 years to late”