TikTok's Accountability Culture
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- TikTok is obsessed with accountability and I think it's worth talking about.
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This video would not have happened with out the countless discussions I've had on this topic with my dear friend and really smart person, Rebecca (aka WhiteWomanWhisperer on social media. Her patreon has incredible deep dives on social issues, btw.)
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TikTok the Documentary (directed by Shalini Kantayya and available on Amazon Prime).
I've found that almost everyone who does "call-in" videos ends up getting cannibalized by their own audience when they make a mistake. Because they've trained / groomed their audience in how to attack other creators when THEY made mistakes.
True and the more you make yourself the arbiter of good and bad behavior, the higher standard people are going to hold you to. For better or worse
This is exactly what’s happening to nickisnotgreen
What's "call-in" videos?
@@lorrithelinguist it’s like when someone does something that people think is wrong they make a video explaining why respectfully (compared to a call-out video which is usually more antagonistic)
A rose by any other name…..
Still has thorns and strangles the grass
2:25 I downloaded TikTok and relapsed on my eating disorder within a week. I had been in recovery for years. Deleted that shit
I hope your doing better now its deleted 🫂 ED is hard
@@sjm9876 well done you recognising the problem and cutting it out 🎉
So glad you were able to recognize how bad an influence it was and delete it.
stay safe! you're strong af
🫂 no one deserves the pressure or pain it has caused.
me listening to this to go to sleep feels disrespectful yet right…..
I listen to someone who makes psychological analysis videos to fall asleep and they don’t do ASMR at all. Don’t feel bad!
@@carolineeasomplus you have a very calming voice so
@@carolineeasom pls put me on who is it i wanna watch
@@selfcontr_l I'm betting on Dr grande
This is so true. When I “blew up” on TikTok and had 40,000 followers, I began sexualizing myself or doing skits that I did not find funny. It’s fun when you’re doing what you want, but it’s so hard to avoid the temptation. Ended up deleting it 😂😂
A host on a podcast I listen to a while ago wisely said “not everything needs to be a take” and I stopped using TikTok shortly after that
Also I hate that "call in" was supposed to be an alternative to "calling out," but there's now no real difference in practice other than that "calling in" uses more social justice-y language.
I think it's important that accountability culture is something that can only really happen in communities. I think a lot of influencers who make call out posts sort of offer the idea to their audience that they can repair a relationship with another influencer that they never actually had. In order to hold someone accountable you have to be able to talk to them directly. There have to be different people who can step up into different roles in the repair process and offer different kinds of support. There needs to be a clear idea of what it means to keep that person in community and on a path toward not doing harm anymore.
this is such a great and important comment, thank you for writing this!
I had to delete the app because I had nothing on my fyp that I would like to look at. The moment algorythm recognized anything about me if tried to feed me ragebait. No scrolling, blocking, reporting etc worked.
Exactly. All i want to see on social media besides my friends is art and cooking really, but when i started blocking and clicking not interested on content related to a strong phobia i have, tiktok seemed to count that as engagement and the algorithm spammed that kind of content on me until it was literally every other post on my fyp and i literally could not open the app without making myself physically sick.
I pre-emptively 'do not recommend' anything that looks like ragebait, simply because so much of it turns out to be.
Also I love the fact that the adds flip wildly between "Baby/little animal/makeup and 'manly/beer/sportsbetting crap every few days. Like, really? I must want to bet on sports since I don't give a 🦆about fertility treatments or makeup? Also, beer=man. Booze=man. cars=man. Baby=woman. Nothing else=woman.
I deleted TikTok but I notice the same thing on TH-cam sometimes
I know it was the like “preface” to the main point of this video but I would listen to a deep dive on the tiktok algorithm and how it’s poison all day
This is actually something I’ve been thinking about a lot recently. I will never understand the mentality that if someone doesn’t speak out against every major world event it means they don’t care. Most people delete news apps and block posts about things like war and terrorism because it’s too depressing, yet they expect random tiktokers to make speeches about them just to prove they think war is bad?
I love how you made the point that these people who are calling out other creators think they’re morally superior. It’s so bizarre to me (an introverted millennial) how people show their face to millions of strangers online to boldly state opinions that they clearly did not fact check themselves on. I admit I sometimes find these videos amusing because I love drama but I stopped watching them because my for you page started bombarding me with “call out” videos and it was exhausting.
My issue with internet callouts, even somewhat justified ones, is that, if they go viral, they always always always always ALWAYS turn into a dogpile. ALWAYS. I have yet to see an exception. Like, there's a point where they either get it or they don't - being the 500th person to leave a mean comment on a video or a tweet isn't going to move the needle on that one. The real "what did you expect? it's the internet" should be directed at the people who make callouts and then act all shocked when it gets out of hand - like, has it ever gone any other way?
I understand sometimes public callouts are necessary - like if a person is doing real, tangible harm, and attempts to handle the matter privately haven't worked, sometimes the only way is to get eyes on the situation. But most of the time, I would think it isn't worth the cost. A single video calling an influencer out on something bad they did is probably perfectly fair, but it never stays a single video. It always gets out of hand, and most of the people involved don't even really care about the original offense in the first place.
You hit the nail right on the head when you said that people start to question their own judgement. Sometimes, when I see some sort of post calling some action out, I look at the comments to see if people agree with me first. Then I questioned myself. Why should I care if other people agree with my judgment? If it's really important to me, I might say something, but I find myself just scrolling passed a lot of this stuff now a days. I swear this kind of content has really eroded my faith in human kindness. I mean, no matter what your opinions and values are, in most cases, people deserve to have a little bit of patience and understanding.
Same! I’m reconciling with my relationship to the comment section in general. I either seek validation or become insecure or frustrated when there’s overwhelming response I disagree with. It makes me go, wait should I feel how they feel? Unlearning group think and realizing I’m not frequenting echo chambers like I once did has been interesting
one thing to remember is the internet brings out the worst in most people and their opinions, or in general the internet makes it so people kind of have more overblown opinions or more black and white type of judgement when those same people are likely alot more chill and patient irl.
I appreciate the distinction between cancel culture and accountability culture. And also the moral high ground of the audience collectively pressuring someone into a certain behavior.
Unfortunately in praxis it has no difference between each other. Only difference. 11:10 (edit to the right time mark)
It’s like that black mirror episode of the people on bikes and the guy with the piece of glass who becomes an influencer for having a breakdown about society.
I’ve definitely been disillusioned with social media since I quit Twitter (back when it was still called that lol) about 2 years ago. The lack of kindness, nuance and boundaries really put me off and I decided my internet usage would be joyful and I wouldn’t argue for anyone online if I disagree with someone. I make a point to comment only my thoughts under a video essay or to share a positive thought. And I made a point to filter my content to what makes me feel informed or happy and now my algorithm feeds me cat videos, video essays, drag queens, music, and crafts and I love it!
I’ve been learning so much from these video essays you’ve made lately. Thank you. The parasocial relationship video has genuinely helped me evaluate some parts of my life and I’ve noticed a positive difference in my mindset!! Please continue making these if you like doing them- they’re so educational!
Yeah. I hate how influencers always either avoid the blame or blatantly state that it’s not their fault when the facts say otherwise.
Real or when they try to involve another person into the blame so they don't get hated as much
this creator has literally done that lol
@@jaibird98 ?
@@jaibird98do you plan on elaborating or do you just enjoy watching people you don’t like
@@Runescapegal i didn't watch more than 1 second of the video, it came in my recommended and i wanted to check out the comments. and no, i don't care to elaborate bc google is free!
As someone who has never been on TikTok, I just learned so much about this world so many people I love inhabit. Thank you for making this video.
I refuse to get TikTok so I learned so much today too!
Thank you for putting into words what I felt but didn’t know how to express. Judging yourself by the supposed standard of accountability culture is exhausting.
Thank you, Caroline.
I stopped using TikTok a few years ago for much of the reasons you mentioned here.
I felt pretty alone in this perspective. It seemed no one else saw this.
I, for one, thank you for not using Tik Tok!! I, too, have stopped using Tik Tok! 😅
I felt the content was too toxic. TH-cam is my only social media now. 🎉
I'm with I! Just permanently deleted my account while that's still a feature. Was just getting too much. Another benefit Ive got to say is Ive noticed a profound effect on my attention span in such a short time. Can watch hour long videos again at normal speed 😂
I don't use TikTok, I'm not on FB, IG, Twitter etc. and yet it amazes me some of the comments I see on TH-cam videos. Channels who make completely neutral, niche content are bombarded with comments demanding they speak out on some such cause or world event or political happenings. That's not what their channel is for, it's their content and they don't owe anyone anything. The entitlement of people who (unless you pay for Premium) watch hours and hours of content for free who make demands of creators is absolutely unhinged behavior.
The people demanding things always wierd me out.
The "day 508 of asking X to do Z" feels extra icky to me because it's idk, entitled, emotionally manipulative and unhinged (trying to guilt trip a stranger).
Might add, I don't mean the "day 56 of telling people to have water", but like the "I _neeeeeeed_ you to do a teddybear-spacetrip-ASMR-videooooooo. I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR OVER A YEAR NOOOOOW GIVE MEEEEE" comments.
YES!! I hate seeing people demanding creators speak out on topics that have nothing to do with their channel!! I’ve seen comments like “I’m so disappointed this creator hasn’t spoken about Ukraine or Palestine” like.. why?? That’s not what their content is about!!
There's something like that happening in the commentary sphere right now. An influential OG commentary channel got called out recently for being a creep, and people have been bombarding every single commentary channel with messages to call him out, even if the channel in question has never heard of him before. I've seen more people being angry and disappointed about the unrelated commentary channel not speaking out on the situation (even when the channel had good reason not to because the topic can be triggering), rather than the OG commentary creator who is currently censoring comments, allowing his fans to send the victim hate and r@pe apologism, and ignoring the entire situation.
oh man, this is an amazing video. you are so considerate in your language, and i love love love the eloquent way you articulate thoughts on this issue. you made so many good points here but especially at 19:02 - this is a really thoughtfully articulated statement. a close friend of mine (who has maybe 20 followers - mostly her friends) posted a video about nerds gummy clusters a few weeks ago. the video gained a strange amount of traction and her comment section was inundated with complete strangers just shitting on her, calling her horrible names and basically saying, “there are people dying and this is what you’re posting about?” and it felt just like that. she just ended up taking it down because she was so sad, but i think it really shifted my perspective on tiktok in general.
people are hurting deeply right now and responding with kindness seems to be the last thought, so i really appreciate your kindness and thoughtfulness in this video.
thank you so much for sharing
i think one of the best things i ever did was leave tiktok and twitter. i still use tumblr (it’s not dead, i know, what???) and the drop of the algorithm is incredible. i can fully spend an hour on there and never come across drama, because it’s something that is usually confined to inner circles. the algorithm of twitter and tiktok though? outrage sells.
Keep making video essays fr. I occasionally saw you in shorts but didn't really get attached to the content. I'm in the video essay side of TH-cam, and I'm looking forward to your essays being a part of my day while I do dishes or whatever. They're genuinely thought provoking and sometimes subversive and it's great!
I've been waiting for sooo long to hear about accountability culture. It's so straight forward and up to the actual meaning of it. I think if accountability culture becomes more popular it can definitely change the world with more kindness then hate. Cancel culture really became toxic real fast and just ended up as an excuse to exaggerate and negatively make a situation worst then better. It turn into a thing to fear and not respect, unlike accountability culture which actually brings justice and accountability and also leads the person who has done something wrong to learned from thier mistakes.
I agree. Unfortunately, Caroline seems to think that accountability culture is just an excuse for people to feel morally superior and that it doesn't actually help anyone. I don't know what she thinks would help, does she just think that people who do problematic things... shouldn't be called out and should just be allowed to keep going with no repercussions?
@@emilyfallaw5912I don’t think that’s what she meant. Accountability culture can be something some people do to make themselves feel morally superior, yeah. But that doesn’t mean we should just let people off the hook. Honestly when it comes to the internet there will never be a perfect solution because of the sheer scale of it. Someone can make a mistake, even a small one, say something problematic, etc. IRL that would ideally just be a friend or two telling you “Hey this thing you said was kinda fucked up”, but on the internet you’ve got a thousand strangers telling you the same thing (sometimes not in a nice way) that will always make these mistakes that would otherwise be minor and reparable, feel as something so blown out of proportion and unforgivable that you can’t do anything to make ir right. Even if people are nice about it, when you have thousands of strangers telling you the same thing over and over you can’t help but feel overwhelmed. We weren’t made to be under the eyes of thousands.
Woah I just had a conversation about Brittney Broski catching stray bullets on the Tana and Cody Ko (man who allegedly slept with underaged Tana) situation. What you described in this video is exactly what’s been happening! Adam McIntyre video about her is flooded with anti Brittney comments that are almost as passionate as the ones they’re throwing at Cody Ko. It’s so weeeeird
no for real. people are being so bizarre but i figured there would be a switch-up on her at some point; i just never thought it would be bc someone ELSE did something to someone ELSE before she met either of them💀
The ED thing is true for Instagram reels as well. At the height of mine almost every video was “what I eat in a day” or healthy food replacement or any diet culture videos. It was really bad
Top tip: delete your tiktok for just a day, if deleting it altogether feels too much. I started doing that last September, and I would periodically re-download it for a couple days, then delete again. I went from going a few days without it to a week, fortnight, month and now six weeks at a time. Tiktok does have value but if you struggle to moderate your usage then this could be a useful method ❤
good for you on not being on social media- ive sworn off tiktok, twitter, im almost completely off instagram (youtube and tumblr remain my time-consuming vices) and i love being out of the loop so much. what are people talking about? dont know. dont care. theres some cool shit on tiktok! my life is not any worse for not seeing it!
(also i have an idea about how this affects the way people view accountability in interpersonal relationships- i pissed off my roommates a while ago and have been trying ever since to make up for it, but whenever i did something even slightly impolite OR SOMEONE ELSE DID SOMETHING YES I GOT BLAMED FOR EVERYTHING suddenly none of that mattered and i would make a half assed apology for something that i really shouldnt apologize for and get told that i wasnt taking enough accountability and should try harder to be better. luckily most of them have moved out and i am probably moving out in like a month)
I wish this would go viral! i agree wholeheartedly with you.
i've ranted about this topic to many of my friends and family, but you actually explained it so much more well thought out. thank you for sharing this
When Caroline said ‘you’ve got this’ at the end it made me feel a motivation I didn’t know I had in me. Thank you for everything you do, Caroline.
dude i try to stick to who i like online and avoid everything else! my mental health cannot deal with these crazies no mo
i think people want to justify being vindictive & dunking on others in a cruel way but don't want to feel guilty for it so they use progressive language. the progressive thing to do would be wanting those people to change any actual harmful behavior & move on with the healthy growth.
nuance & forgiveness are so important, condemning people to isolation for forever leads to people being stagnant & continuing to be harmful. they can only see how they will be isolated forever by so many, but you know they will be embraced by other people who are bigoted & will enforce that behavior.
most people have done things that would get them roasted alive on the internet, or ostracized from their irl community. but we didn't share it. we grew from it, & are now aware to do better. except some people ignore their own experiences because it was private & don't realize that could've been them getting dozens of call out vids & vid essays on them & trending on twitter etc etc.
as james baldwin said, "you could be the monster, you could be the cop", if you exclude yourself from being a "bad" person because you know you're "good", you will excuse your harmful behavior because you already categorized yourself as beyond examination & reproach with the nebulous title of "good person".
good people will mess up, they will hurt people, they will hurt people **badly** under the chaotic circumstances of this life, anything is possible. but what makes them good is being able to analyze their actions, change, grow, & move on. healthy self-awareness & the ability to change your mind to align better with your morality are the best traits you can have.
being able to expand & be progressive in your morality is importsnt too, not be permissive & passive tho. like the whole "i don't see color ❤" sentiment has the intention of being accepting but it actually just dismisses & erases the experiences of people of color. so yah, while the intention is good, the best thing to do is toss away that outdated term & listen to what poc are saying to update what is actually good.
I agree for the most part. The only thing I slightly disagree with is the reason behind people interacting with accountability culture. Firstly, accountability culture and cancel culture are the social media versions of social behavior known as ostracism, something that has been around since the dawn of humanity. I think explaining this context is important so people don’t end up saying things like “kids these days” and blaming current generations for these cultural trends. Secondly, TikTok is unique in that it makes people feel empowered. Many of us have grown frustrated at the world, many economic, social, relationship, and personal issues we struggle with. In addition, with wages that feel frozen in time, every lasting inflation, wars, and threats to western democracies, many will inevitably crave anything, even if it’s on social media, that will make them feel empowered. Therefore, in a world where it feels like we have very little individual power, it can be addictive to become part of something larger than you, something which feels like you are holding people who are “perceived” to be in power accountable. Whether or not this is productive, nearly everyone can agree it is engaging, which is when that sense of scapegoating comes in.
everytime i hear “my name is caroline and i make internet content” i know im in for a great take
wow I am loving your longer content so much
your wording is incredibly clear and helpful
I think I said this before on one of your other video essays but I really appreciate how well-spoken you are and how extensively researched and thought-out your content (I honestly hate that word but I don't know how else to describe it lol) is. You put into words what I feel but struggle to articulate, so thank you.
caroline not fueling my crippling diabolical parasocial relationship by not giving me a special greeting for this not being my first time here :C 😢🥺
You have such nuanced, compassionate, eloquent takes!
Just the entire preface … wow. That already provoked so many thoughts.
I h8 so many exposure algorithms. I never had tiktok & I reset my ig so I can disconnect from friends. But the 4 u pages keep updating 2 things I don’t want. I only reliably like Twitter bc I can focus on who Im interested in & I have no expectations 4 myself.
Being connected 2 friends was also more detrimental 2 my health than it was beneficial. I never felt more lonely & following toxic thought patterns than watching ppl who refused 2 connect with each other.
I am impressed by the speed at which I got to this one lol
Never stop making these discussion type videos! This is my favorite thing you do.
I do want to say, I am really really enjoying your video essays! They’re informative, digestible, your humour is still present even though it’s a serious topic, and you bring up questions that make us think about the topic at hand and evaluate how we’re moving in the world with this new information.
I actually had to log off of tiktok because of how aggressive the fyp was and how long it was keeping me tied to my phone, and the overall (for me) negative vibes and content I was seeing. I have people in my life that I care vey much about that are absolutely in the 1.5hr+ of tiktok a day category and I honestly can’t even fathom losing that much time turning your brain to mush with that ironclad fyp algorithm locking you in. I purposely only stick to the social media I like and enjoy and want look at content that I want a career in (mostly artists, musicians and photographers on instagram and twitter) friends & family and that’s it.
The call out/call in culture has really gotten so out of hand these days. No celebrity or public figure no matter how involved or not they are with world issues can skate by without being called out for not saying anything, or not saying or doing enough. They can’t impress the demanders no matter what they do or don’t do anymore even if they’ve never talked about the issue or similar issues on hand. The way that people think that public figures/celebrities/people with any sort of platform owe us anything at all is crazy and the moral police need to be stopped, they did not sign up for this.
Call out and call in is genuinely just trying to justify bullying.
I’m not on TT at all, but I am a fan of Lindsay Ellis and watching her be absolutely broken down in the name of accountability was heartbreaking.
6:46 One by one I've been cutting social media out of my life for this exact reason. Almost every platform is just overwhelmed by people making noise, not because they have something to say but just because they have to say something.
Insightful as always, Caroline! I find myself nodding my head along with you in these long form topic videos. You touched on it a lot in this video, but I'm curious your take on mass manipulation/social engineering that social media has created in our society as a whole. You mentioned feeling less confident in your own judgement of others and seeking out validation for your dislikes. There are so many repercussions like this I feel we need to talk about more! I think a lot of peoples critical thinking is being replaced with hive mentality, even in myself sometimes, and it's scary when you realize this is all our younger generations know nowadays.
This kind of reminds me of the Mama Max situation. I wasn't like... around for the fallout but I watched the videos of the people affected - minus Corpse because I couldn't find anything from him on the harassment and threats he got after MM named him directly - and it was honestly really alarming. And it was bizarre because I only found out about what he was doing behind the scenes because I really enjoyed one of the videos I came across. I thought it was well written and beautifully edited. And then. The algorithm handed me the people he attempted to destroy. I was floored.
I felt the same when I started seeing mad red flags in illuminaughtii's videos and unfollowed after her "explanation" when she started airing out details about a friends mental health and apparently literally showed a final letter they'd written. The whole Legal Eagle thing was immediately weird to a lot of people but finding out just how deplorable she actually was to the people she was actually in contact with was harrowing considering how she discussed scam artists on her channel.
I personally prefer actual news take downs to social media exposes - unless it is letting everyone know about predatory or violent people in a community - but even within those niches the creators themselves could be perpetuating the same behavior they publicly decry. Performance can be quite lucrative.
I hit 70K on tiktok, quit my job, and started being a full time creator. And let me tell you, I didn't realize how TOXIC TikTok was until I started building community outside of the platform.
TikTok has a lot of great people, and its not all bad, but the intro you made was so on point. People engage with you as if you are something to poke at. I don't regret building myself up on the platform. It's really great if you have a plan, like you said, but you need an exit strategy. As a creative, a lot of my latter experiences after becoming "successful" just felt like I was constantly preyed on by the platform or the users.
It totally tainted my view of the platform. Every time I post now, I feel like a zoo animal. I'm currently on a "break" from TikTok, and I genuinely don't know if I'll come back to it at a creator. Even the content is hard to consume because I know what it takes to make it 3x a day and it ALL just feels off. It's like twitter, except visual. And I dont have a twitter because of its toxicity.
And tbh, I have a lot of supportive and loving people, but it still feels strange being on the platform.
BASED video, I hope these sentiments become more widespread among people that spend a lot of time online. I'd like to add that accountability culture not only worsens peoples existing insecurities about their morals but it gives people new ones to worry about, "if everybody hates that creator/influencer for not posting about _____ then they'll hate me for not posting about it too"
This video is excellent and has explained a lot of the culture on tiktok that I havent understood before, this video will help me to be able to talk about this phenomenon with more clarity, thank you!
I appreciate your perspective and the way you articulate it
love your content and your nuanced and insightful takes!!! thanks for taking the time to focus on making wholly original commentary content!!!
I really appreciate this. It’s hard to give up the easy life of online users and instead really analyze the intersectionalities of being a human in front of others.
"Calling in" was traditionally meant to be about in-group accountability. There's meant to be an added level of intentionality and empathy in the act, an implicit "you are one of us no matter what, but this needs to stop" as well as a bit of moral minority thinking, i.e. "what you're doing is undermining the progress we're attempting to make". Lately, though, it is far more the latter than the former. There is a more resounding "THEY are not part of US" when talking about intersectionality, more cancelling (intended or not) and ostracization. I get it; 2024 is an extremely anxious time to be alive and people feel the need to protect themselves and their communities. But the more we isolate those that make such mistakes, the more often those folks tend to lean further into their problematic beliefs and actions for lack of anywhere else to turn to.
People f*ck up. People should be held accountable, should do their best to right their wrongs, should not expect to enjoy zero consequences for their actions. But it cannot last forever without eventually doing more harm than good.
I'm 50 seconds in and I'd just like to say how incredibly smooth the introduction of this video is, I'm absolutely enamored
You put my disillusionment and frustration with social justice tiktok into words so articulately!!
I personally believe in a lot of social justice causes, but I share similar disillusionment and frustration despite my desire to help make the world a better place. Is that bad?
@@LakeofCrystalclan no. its frustrating. if you want to change the world, you're gonna have to quit these online "communities" and join real life ones. or else, you just become disillusioned and start having panic attacks (like i did). trust me activism doesn't have to fry your brain - working on the community garden and library i work on makes me feel good, not like shit, like social media "activism" does
I LOVE that you've been doing these vids! I love the comedy ASMR but these are soooo good to have as background noise like a podcast, get's my brain thinking while I relax!!
I think this opens up an interesting conversation about our need for community and like you said, to feel like we are making a difference. We are so disenfranchised, and everything about our modern society teaches us that this is the way to change it. To work within the broken systems given to us, and to treat our individual words/actions as the most important thing we can do. These algorithms are pulling us deeper and deeper into individualistic righteousness and forcing a black and white nihilistic point of view of everyone and everything we don't understand - discouraging looking for the nuanced reality of a situation. It pulls us further and further away from our REAL communities, and REAL actions we can take to make lasting and positive change and tells us "hey! look! you can call this other individual out and it fixes everything! no need to look deeper!"
I wish social media was being used more to organize and connect for real life action, rather than creating echo chambers. It could be such a beautiful tool. But, it serves tiktok far better to keep us inside, disconnected, and angry. I don't think it's app-specific issue, tiktok is just a symptom of late stage capitalism, functioning as intended.
I started following you on TT because of your funny unaccompanied minor content. Who knew you would become the person I learn from (family vloggers, paranormal relationships, and more). Thank you!
another thoughtful and insightful deep dive🎉
I appreciate how you don't use clips from content creators as examples; it reaffirms how this is not a salacious undertaking on your part. you are a compelling speaker and easy to listen to while I work out or work
It's kinda funny that I found you through tiktok skits and now I'm seeing this video. The only content I tend to see on tiktok is stream clips and skits so I had no idea about any of this stuff. I definitely have seen some of what is talked about here in the TH-cam space but I've never really thought about it that much other than once or twice with a handful of creators.
This is such a refreshing and eye opening take on this topic! You put into words what I haven’t been able to. I love your content!!!
I appreciate you even more now Caroline!! 👏🏼 So glad to hear you’re no longer on Tik Tok. 🎉Me either. 😊 I’m only on TH-cam so I’m really enjoying your content here. Thank you.
i’m in love with your long form content, keep going bc you’re doing amazing !
I really appreciate the time you put into this video!
I love how everyone loves to call out and pick at other people, but when you criticize them for going too far suddenly “it’s just the internet” “that’s what they asked for”. I’m sorry no, you can’t hold everyone else to one standard and not yourself.
These videos are so interesting to me, thank you for making them
This video is so good. I think about this all the time, asking people to comment on super serious stuff they know nothing about leads to the rapid spread of disinformation.
I saw this at 1 minute, but decided not to cause a car crash
You're welcome, world ❤
Taking accountability! 👏 hahaha
We need more people like you!
This is such a thoughtful and well articulated take. Thank you for putting it out there!
I see what you mean. Just because people have a platform where they can point out the wrongdoings of others, it doesn't mean you're necessarily a better person, or have superior morals. People agree with things on Tik Tok without even questioning it.
This is my first time I am checking out your channel and you've said A LOT about how I felt when I was on tiktok.
Caroline, I want you to know that I’m only following you because of this tik-tok call out video, and if you don’t post a new one in 7 days time, I and everyone else who supports you, will leave you forever. Good luck out there!
(Jk I love all of your videos, but I had to make this joke 😭)
Thanks for making this video. You made some excellent points.
Great video essay Caroline. You put thoughts into words so well and speak so eloquently
I have a TikTok account but I haven’t been on in years bc it literally melts your brain and takes time away from better thing and hobbies
This was such an awesome and well thought out video. So cool to see the person behind the skits.
Yeah it's part of why I don't want to fall into the trap of becoming a content creator who ALWAYS has somebody else's content in my background while I sit and yap about it. What goes around comes around and I wont like it WHEN that happens to me so i don't really want to make any content like that about anyone else. It's tempting as a way to share my opinion but I decided taking somebody's video and making my video about that is...kinda shitty esp since they can no longer delete any content that now lives forever on my content unless I violated policy and it gets deleted or unless I choose to remove it. Most things people do aren't worth manufacturing that kind of scenario in the first place IMO so I just dont.
Great video! Side note your mic quality is so good I’m low key jealous lol
i appreciate a lot of your points about the tiktok algorithm and how people's experiences are so vastly different due to the fyp. it's always good to remember the baseline that we're working with, and to check our assumptions about our favorite creators. i also like how you pointed out the difference between holding people accountable for what they *have* done that was bad, vs. what they *have not* done that they should have.
but after watching this video, i'm left wondering what the role of community is here. i mean, the algorithm encourages every creator to be the one standout individual who accumulates more attention, engagement, and social capital than their "competitors," but can we go beyond this mindset? not every creator needs to give their opinion on every topic, and indeed sometimes it might be unreasonable to "hold creator x accountable" for their lack of comment on a specific topic, but we all do play a role in our communities. especially for creators who build a brand and make money off a specific value or niche, i think it is reasonable in some circumstances to expect some kind of perspective from them regarding an important issue in that niche.
and maybe that perspective is simply, "i don't actually know enough about this, do you have any book/website/documentary recommendations?" or "i don't feel comfortable sharing my opinion online because of genuine safety concerns" or "here's another creator who has been helpful in changing my views" or "i'm doing work regarding this topic in real life and don't want to also talk about it online" or whatever else. we can acknowledge the complexity of the human experience and recognize that these creators are living their own lives, while also seeing ourselves as all part of a community with the goal of sharing knowledge and supporting those who need support.
reninds me of brittany broski and how people lit her up because she said it didnt feel appropriate for her to talk about palestine as she was not at all educated on it and would likely not provide any insightful or useful content towards the issue. people are still mad at her for that! she never said she supported israel! she just said she didnt feel it was appropriate for her to talk about! there were many many more trusted sources of information and fundraising, i think all she really needed to do was repost those people, as many other creators have been doing. although i understood her main point, i assume people were upset at her lack of tact.
As someone who never used and never will use TikTok (I can't make videos because I hate my voice and face), this is certainly fascinating to learn about from my highly outside perspective.
good to hear you take all accountablity
Call outs specifically for content a creator hasnt posted seem so bizarre to me. Admittedly, most of the content I view is not political as I've found it to be largely counter to my mental health, but even still, I wouldn't really want to hear the political takes of a person with a largely non-political platform (outside of a basic 'where I stand post'). Ultimately, if I follow someone for mocktail recipes, I dont really care for their take on the war in Ukraine, for example. Unless they are also separately gifted with skillful political analysis or have some personal insight to share, all they accomplish is moral grandstanding and clogging hashtags that may otherwise be used for coordinating activism.
The little thing about your name at the beginning had me actually laughing out loud.
This is an excellent video, thank you shining a spotlight on this.
I find great interest in your Video-Essay videos. Thank you for sharing
I got here via your Harry Potter videos. Great work, keep it up!
Great video, keep making stuff like this please!! Very well spoken, and a great influence on my brain
so glad you finally did the right thing and took accountability for that thing you'll be doing in 23 years
This is important to talk about, thank you
That intro was extremely interesting
12:58 that explains why apologies are so popular
I can completely understand this and I do actually agree mostly. But for me, I find it bizarre that someone (Taylor Swift being a huge example) having such an important position of influence because the reality is, a single post from her could arrange hundreds of her swifties in parasocial relationships do what the post says. And for a situation like genocide, (which tbh I think is what this video is referring to, Palestine, Congo, Uyghur, etc) I think people should expect fellow humans to at least show basic support for millions of being killed. We commemorate WW1 and WW2 every year and to me, it feels like that is because most of the coverage of those wars focuses on the European casualties, ignoring the countless African and Asian countries that were forced to fight that war and died because of it. We talk constantly about never again this and never again that but when the majority of the Western world wants to turn a blind eye to an atrocity being committed by the Western world, it makes you realise why this happens again and again.
i think that's the thing. it starts with demanding celebrities post something on geoge floyd. but that trickes down - on matters of subject and the people being "held accountable". it's not that inicial thing anymore, it's a surveillance culture. everyone is being held accountable, all the time, on any scandall of the week.
it's very hard to maintain it as the inicial thing, because that action satisfies a much broader need, people find. it feels good the same way, when you're demanding that a billionaire american actor say something about george floyd, and when you're demanding a small tiktok creator who went viral once say something about the lastest sexual assault scandal involving two people they may not even know.
More of these if you want/ have energy I do like your takes but I enjoy what ever
All I can say is thank you.
this is a great video and verbalised a lot of my thoughts on this whole culture on the internet!!
Cancel culture is crazy because the same people who do the canceling also stan fictional characters that are murders, racists, death eaters, and supremesists, but it’s okay because their character apologized in headcannon. Like if Draco Malfoy and Billie from Stranger Things can be forgiven after apologizing in fanfiction, we can look for moral growth in celebrities and people
Not really, fictional characters are different from real life people (with few exceptions) but with their unhinged passion to cancel someone over petty stuff, I would expect them to show the same kind of reaction towards evil fictional characters as well.
@@CollegeKidd agreed, you can def twist fictional characters to your liking
fictional characters aren’t real tho. their actions don’t hurt actual real people
........They're fictional, dude.