I'm retired NYPD and on the range we are taught that most shootings occur 7 to 10 feet thank you for saying that most of the videos I have watched they always talk 10foot distance if your that far away you'd better have a actual firearm just the same thanks great video
Thank you so much and thank you for your service! I do what I can to make sure that the information that I pass along in these videos is truthful and accurate and as up-to-date as possible :-) An actual firearm is, of course, preferable in any situation that is life or death but this is just an alternative. Personally, I believe that vigilance and attention to your surroundings takes precedence. Know who and what is around you at all times and be observant of human nature. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
@@AlternateArmsSD Less/non lethal self defence is also good to have in many situtations. Many cops carry less lethal weapons in addition to pistol for example. I don't think lethal firearm is answer to all situations, as some home owners have found out to their sorrow after blowing away an unarmed home intruder. Another example would be unarmed homeless person who is being aggressive - drunks or someone on crack. Thank good for pepper spray!
@@springer-qb4dv Absolutely. And, as any victim will tell you, anything would be better than nothing. Self-defense starts by being vigilant. You are your own first responder in all situations.
@@springer-qb4dv Yes I agree and we need more police to use discernment when handling situations like homeless .There was a situation where a old homeless woman had a screwdriver and they shot her dead. no teaser no destruction and come up behind her or anything
I have had been in a situation where I had pepper spray in one hand and gun in the other. About 4 feet away. I shot pepper spray. Gun ready to fire if needed. He went down. I suggest for others to do the same if you can. I just had the time to do all that because I try too always be ready. Any time you can take someone down without using deadly force you win.
I bought 1 and tested it really good as in this video. I got it from watching this video because in Washington D.C. and Maryland it is pretty much illegal to transport real guns. I wanted a self defense legal to carey. Thanks to this presentation i got one. Regulary kept in my car loaded with first shot pepper ball and next 2 ahot rubber ball and so on. I also bought 1/2 steel balls to try out. Put oil on them and loaded all 6 shots in. Damaged the Bullet-proof vest pretty bad and ripped apart wood. It fires like a Civil War Gun with the 1/2 Steel Barring Balls. At least i have deadly home defense for burglars. Also found out holster was impossible getting for this size. You need a desert Eagle size holster especially with trl laser light. I haven't found one yet .
Greetings! I have found that a standard pancake style leather holster works pretty well. Also, some of the 1911 style kydex holsters work well too! Thanks for watching and have a great week!
I don't like pepper ball guns that look so much like the real thing, for the same reason it isnt smart to pull out bb guns in public, because people - including the police - may believe it's a real gun and you could get shot over it. The flaw is the design, i.e., it looks too much like a real gun. Now think about this. Under what circumstances would you go to non-lethal? When there's a threat that isn't lethal to you. If there's a lethal threat to you, you don't go to a pepper ball gun, but a real gun. So if there's a non-lethal threat to you, you go to the pepper ball gun. You pull this out. Now anybody around you who is carrying lethal has a right to react with lethal, because they perceive you just drew lethal for a non-lethal situation, making you the aggressor in their mind. I'll take a pepper ball gun as a non-lethal option, but I don't want it to look like the real thing.
@@AlternateArmsSD I don't like pepper ball guns that look so much like the real thing, for the same reason it isnt smart to pull out bb guns in public, because people - including the police - may believe it's a real gun and you could get shot over it. The flaw is the design, i.e., it looks too much like a real gun. Now think about this. Under what circumstances would you go to non-lethal? When there's a threat that isn't lethal to you. If there's a lethal threat to you, you don't go to a pepper ball gun, but a real gun. So if there's a non-lethal threat to you, you go to the pepper ball gun. You pull this out. Now anybody around you who is carrying lethal has a right to react with lethal, because they perceive you just drew lethal for a non-lethal situation, making you the aggressor in their mind. I'll take a pepper ball gun as a non-lethal option, but I don't want it to look like the real thing.
@@markanderson77 that is true to some extent. The other advantage, though would be the deterrent factor of having a weapon in the first place. Cowards tend to flee from force, and if they know you’re going to fight back, they will tend to run as opposed to stand and fight. There are pros and cons both ways, and it really boils down to personal preference.
@@AlternateArmsSD As far as the deterrent factor, I don't know if I agree with that. Using a pepper ball gun as a deterrent isn't a smart idea. Furthermore, the ones who aren't looking for a confrontation are the not the ones to be concerned about. It's the ones who are looking to inflict damage. Police officers get attacked and shot, yet they open carry. This is why I'm not a fan of open carry, period. Criminals by definition have the element of surprise. Open carry merely results in relinquishing the element of surprise. People shouldn't be open carrying. They should be carrying concealed.
I’m in England and firearms are super hard to acquire. I have the HDR 50. Prefer it over the HDP as can use slugs instead of just riot balls. A slug mould and power kit upgrade is available from home Defence-24 in Germany. Power kit will take a 7.5 J version up to 20* J. Slugs made from hot glue and ball bearings are more hard hitting than the balls.Also it has revolver drum cartridges so easy and fast to reload with preloaded magazines.
Greetings! That is a perfect example of why these are so important. We always get the “it’s not a real gun“ crowd but in situations like that, self-defense is absolutely imperative and these are perfect. I understand that the knife violence rate is pretty high over there. These would absolutely be a perfect deterrent for that. I’ve actually been talking to them about getting one of those conversion sit down so that I can install it and take a look at the velocity difference. The only thing I’m wondering, how many shots do you lose since you’re using more pressure per shot? We’re going to find out in an upcoming video :-) Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
@@petersmith6974 Thanks! I actually read that as well as a list of upgrades and mods for these. I’m trying to get some of them for the channel and show folks how to do the mods. Wish me luck :)
I just bought one online and for the price you can buy another one as a backup in case you run out of rubber steel balls or pepper balls when firing at the intruder!
I ordered one & a 15 pack of CO2 cartridges from Cabela's 2 days ago & I got it in the mail today. That was fast, now it's time to take my RV on the road.
@@AlternateArmsSD I do love it, I tried it @ 10 & 20 feet, the shots are right on ± 3", that is good enough to hit someone in the chest. I haven't tried the gas yet; I am saving them for when I need them.
A few people have recommended the HDR over the HDP, because the HDR is a revolver. It uses a rotary magazine, like many pellet guns use, and the magazines are fairly cheap. I really had to think hard about which I wanted to get, but I got the HDP for a first pass, and if I like it, I may get the HDR as well.
@@AlternateArmsSD I'm enjoying the videos so far! I used to do an email newsletter monthly where I reviewed all sorts of handguns, not with the thought of tacticool, but whether it would be a good choice as a household defensive tool. Considering this started when Yahoogroups was still Egroups, it shows how long I've been looking at stuff for their defensive potential. You're doing great. The TI 99/4a behind you is a strange bit of nostalgia too. 😁
@@JennyEverywhere Thank you so much! I love my channel and making the videos and that means the world to me. I have quite a few, very interesting, contenders coming up for this as well. I’m an old school computer guy, who would’ve ever guessed that my most popular videos would be pepper ball guns? :-)
@@AlternateArmsSD I know exactly what you mean. I'm a computer person myself, and an Extra-class ham radio operator. But I also like anything that emits a projectile, I collect slide rules, and I'm a sport lockpicker.
@@JennyEverywhere ok, that’s awesome!! I have a series that I’ve done on my channel called “let’s check out this Facebook scroll item”. It’s those cheesy items you always see for sale on Facebook that you may or may not ever received. One of them is a universal lock picking kit and a lock to practice on. I’ve always wondered if that thing actually works :-)
Just bought one a week ago California resident here . Yes yes no pepper balls . I haven't had a chance to test it's full capacity, however i was surprised at how loud it was in my living room, i didn't load anything in it just the cartridge for fun , it's loud and def intimidating
So first, you are a decent shot. Thumbs up! These are awesome videos about these non-lethal options. I'd love to see chrono and projectile weight results for all of them. Regardless, very well done sir!
I don't like pepper ball guns that look so much like the real thing, for the same reason it isnt smart to pull out bb guns in public, because people - including the police - may believe it's a real gun and you could get shot over it. The flaw is the design, i.e., it looks too much like a real gun. Now think about this. Under what circumstances would you go to non-lethal? When there's a threat that isn't lethal to you. If there's a lethal threat to you, you don't go to a pepper ball gun, but a real gun. So if there's a non-lethal threat to you, you go to the pepper ball gun. You pull this out. Now anybody around you who is carrying lethal has a right to react with lethal, because they perceive you just drew lethal for a non-lethal situation, making you the aggressor in their mind. I'll take a pepper ball gun as a non-lethal option, but I don't want it to look like the real thing.
Indeed it is!! Joules and fps coming very soon … I have been planning several head to head videos and needed a few tools to make them fair and complete. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!!
Absolutely terrific lil gun!! I actually own a few umarex products and couldn’t be happier! (Tr-50… HDP 50…an all Crome 357 bb revolver….steel striker and and some other bb revolver looks just like the tr 50) Can’t understand nor justify the price jump to the other guys. Under 100 bucks and fired hundreds of the plastic practice rounds without a hiccup! Also have a few of the full auto BB’s Talk about fun!!! Great quality and realism at an affordable price!! Umarex Baby!!
almost dropped a bunch of money on a byrna until i saw this, now this is more like it, uses common 12g co2 without some adapter, has a higher fps than byrna, i can't picture myself needing more than 6 pepper balls or steel / rubber riot balls per incident unless their are multiple attackers or i am stuck in the middle of an antifa riot so mag changes should not be an issue, and it is only $89.00 for a kit
Hi John, So Glad I came across your site, the others didn't even show how to load the CO2 Cartridges, Thanks for the "To the point" video,,Great shooting BTW
Self defense if a multi tiered approach brother. It all starts with situational awareness. Also, training is key. You can have the greatest weapon on earth but, if you don’t know how to use it when the situation arises, it’s totally worthless. This is a very early video to man, you might enjoy some of the newer stuff as well :-)
I have this gun. When used for target practice I use any 12mm balls. Says .50 cal is 1/2 inch. No. Not true. Got slingshot balls at Walmart and only 4 out of 50 fit. Awesome gun tho. Pepper balls hurt me too even far away. Great gun for price. Your videos are awesome. I'm always ready for the next one. God bless. Keep up the good work.
Thank you so much!! You’ll never know how much this means to me! You are correct! I have a line of some awesome aluminum balls as well I’ll be testing shortly!! Thanks for watching!
That was pretty awesome dude way better than the byrna for the price sure there's some things you might not like and some you might but this is what I'm buying. My only quirk is I don't like the color so I'm hoping I can get a different color if not I'll be painting it thank you again. To think this is the length I have to go to to be safe on the road and not have my bicycle stolen AGAIN.
Greets! You can actually get them in a variety of colors. I am also getting a few alternatives for testing. I’m sorry about your bike man.. We live in strange times. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
@@AP-ps7ke There should be options in the link I put in the description. They were out of black but they said they would have them soon. I have another COOL one come up in the next video! Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!!
Please tell me how to paint mine black I can't stand the orange...Umarex USA T4E/P2P HDP .50 Caliber Air PistolUmarex T4E by P2P HDP .50 Caliber Air Pistol
@@-Fecoboost That’s funny you should mention that, they do actually have a black version but only in Germany. I’m trying to get details on that now and if I do, I’ll keep you posted. As far as painting it, I’ve never tried but I can’t see why you couldn’t.
I know this is an older vid, but this was my first less lethal. It's also the one I used in a defense situation. Not modded, it's out of the box, but it did protect me as intended. Also, being in CA, I only had kinetic rounds.
Greetings! Thanks for watching. You know, to date, this is still one of the most reliable and modifiable launchers on the market. So much so that the V2 is internally IDENTICAL.
Thank you! I have several of these on the channel and this one was, by far, the most affordable option for what you get! I have a .50 cal head-to-head planned shortly! Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
If you would like to come by the shop on the weekend, I only entire flea market. You might get a kick out of walking around while I do the modification :-)
I like the launcher, it feels good it is very light it does not feel cheap. What I do not like is loading it, I wish there was a magazine. If you have to reload this thing with more ammo or change out the CO2 in a hurry you are in trouble...
Greets! Absolutely correct. There is a modification that can be done to this to greatly increase the power which offsets that loading issue a little. Stay tune for that one :-) thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
If you need this in a self defence situation, once you fire 6 rounds you won't have time to reload anything. At that point either the threat has withdrawn or you are going hands on.
@@AlternateArmsSD I’ll give it a try thanks! Just to be clear when you say don’t use WD40 do you mean the original WD40 or the WD40 silicon spray? Would the 3 in 1 silicon lubricant spray be okay? Thanks again.
@@GeorgeSmith-sb6xs Yeah, 3 in one should be ok.. Ive just found that WD-40 tend to gum things up with collected dust, dirt, and small fragments. Also, if you have to, you can get 12.8mm steel bearings.. they work well too.
Another good video the gun is nice only the loading & power is a problem also wish I could find it in black orange doesn't do it for me the T4E hdr50 is much getter plus you can change the valve for 11 joules and it loads faster
Yes power mods (20 FPE+), ability to load any custom rounds including hot glue rounds, and fast swapping of magazine makes HDR50 a winner. HDP? not so much.
Umarex owns the Walther, they make really really good stuff. Look at a real deal American market Walther and an Umarex gun, both say Fort Smith because they are one and the same.
Also follow-up, I just got the Gen 1 at the local airsoft/paintball/LTL store and gave it a test. Ran the rubber rounds through it for a whole 12g and can say after that I put another and the pepper rounds in it. Trigger pull feels so light but is long enough to be safe, power even stock at 7.5J is plenty, and at 6 feet I'm making ONE HOLE aiming with proper defensive "both eyes open and point".
Not sure what you do, looks like you just have a dedicated area to play, but have you found any means of catching the rubber balls for reuse that a person could employ with this kind of air pistol in a home range setting while target shooting?
What are the amazing way to start the conversation :-) well, the wall behind me actually represents my 35 years in IT. In fact, my very first computer from 1980 is on that wall as well as every computer and game system I have ever owned. All of the boards behind me are actual client motherboards over the last 35 years. I can tell you the story of every board on that wall, it’s not just a random assortment :-) As far as catching the rounds for reuse, it’s actually pretty simple. Get yourself a nice double walled corrugated box and fill it with a heavy, packing foam. Then, back it up to a wall or a board. Depending on what modifications you have installed, that will stop the round at differing levels throughout the foam. Make sure that you inspect the rounds before you fired them again who ensure that they are not damaged. Thank you so much for watching!
Greets! You will like it! We seem to be in a nasty shortage of just about everything. I do have a modification video up as well you might enjoy! Have a great night!
@@AlternateArmsSD I seen the mod video, I don't want to chance the mod yet, till I see if the gas projectiles explode in the gun, I don't want to gas myself.
i heard the reason the co2 goes in backwards half assed bcuz they had a polish fella working on the designing stages lol his last name was PHiL FLiPiNSKi Jr Jr
Once modded, and I have MANY videos up on the mods, the HDP50 is more powerful by far. The mod is absolutely necessary. Now, that being said, the scorpion is smaller and easier to conceal.
The downside for me are the color, and the nub on the butt of the weapon thats possibly a tangled choke hold when carrying concealed ( under a shirt or sweater
Oh brother, have I ever got a series of videos for you? :-) take a look at my video that shows you how to dye these any color you want, particularly black :-) also, there are punch cap covers that fit over that cap as well.
They are, in my opinion, the best value in the less than lethal weapons arena to date. They are also very upgradable, which makes them formidable against any other launcher. Thanks for watching!
Funny you should say that, I have two more that came in yesterday. I will be shooting the videos on Sunday and releasing them on Monday. Stay tuned. These are definitely some of my most recommended for conceal. My wife actually carries one of these as well. The only disadvantage, of course, is if they are not a real handgun. However, the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages. I will go through all of that for you specifically on the next video. Thank you for watching and welcome to the family!
I don't like pepper ball guns that look so much like the real thing, for the same reason it isnt smart to pull out bb guns in public, because people - including the police - may believe it's a real gun and you could get shot over it. The flaw is the design, i.e., it looks too much like a real gun. Now think about this. Under what circumstances would you go to non-lethal? When there's a threat that isn't lethal to you. If there's a lethal threat to you, you don't go to a pepper ball gun, but a real gun. So if there's a non-lethal threat to you, you go to the pepper ball gun. You pull this out. Now anybody around you who is carrying lethal has a right to react with lethal, because they perceive you just drew lethal for a non-lethal situation, making you the aggressor in their mind. I'll take a pepper ball gun as a non-lethal option, but I don't want it to look like the real thing.
I'm sure by now you have figured out, you only need to use the Allen key to lose the punch the first time. No need to ever use it again. Screw hand tight and your ready to go
Well, I can tell you from personal experience that I have used them for well over a year and have had no issues at all. There is very little than can malfunction.
That’s an excellent gun I own can’t go wrong for the price shoots 8mm steal balls and punctures sheet metal Mark my words they probly will or have one with a magazine it will bust byrna
Yeah these folks have nowhere to go but up. The weight felt amazing and the size was perfect for a larger hand! I have more on deck for testing but, overall, I like the form factor of this one. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
@@Jason-andTheArgonauts It’s actually about the same as the Byrna. It’s not too loud but you definitely know you sent a round down range. :) Have a great night!
@@Turbospoo1 man I can’t wait for the the 40+ joule shotgun. Has the racking feature and everything. It looks very cool and seems to have lots of power
¡Saludos! La versión original es 7.5J. Sin embargo, después de la modificación, está más cerca de 30J. También tengo ese video ;) ¡Que tengas una gran noche!
I live in New York the HDP50 and HDR50 you cannot buy.But you can buy the TR50.Why? HDP =H(Home)D(Defense)P(Pistol) and HDR=H(Home)D(Defense)R(Revolver) TR=T(Training)R(Revolver) The HDR and TR are the same thing. I got the TR50 7.5 Joule version. Then I went to HomeDefence-24 and got the HDR50 7.5 Joule version valve upgrade kit that made it 3 times more powerful. The pressure chamber in the 11 Joule version is smaller so not as powerful as the 7.5 Joule version. With the Valve kit and remove the plug/spacer in the pressure chamber.
Absolutely!! After the first of the year, I am planning videos on both the HDP and HDR showing folks how to do the conversion in a simple and easy to follow way. (That the way I try to do all of my videos). I have a simple explanation though.. One looks “scarier” than the other. That seems to always be the case. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
Greetings, I actually have some of my own mixture on my website. I’m working on trying to get mace to produce one as well as Papava shot, but they’re a little resistant to getting the molds to create the rounds. Give me time :-)
@@AlternateArmsSD No worries. Easy mistake to make with all the options. I just today ordered one of these guns. I'm betting I'll be happy with it as an alternative to blowing someone away.
Greetings! You never want to leave these loaded for prolonged periods of time. If you’re going to practice, use all of the CO2 and replace it with a fresh cartridge. You want a nice, un-punctured, fresh cartridge when you need it for self-defense. Thanks for watching!
I purchased this gun and want to test it. I want to fire 5-6 test shots with rubber bullets that I purchased separately. However, the manual says that I need to apply RWS Chamber Lube oil to 12g CO2 capsule every time I insert a new capsule. But RWS Chamber Lube oil is not included and costs almost 20% of gun itself. Can I test the gun without applying the oil to C02 capsule. On this video you use the gun without oil. Is it ok to do that for my test?
You can absolutely test it without having to place the lube in the weapon. Before I actually knew about pell gun oil, I was doing it all the time :-) Look into silicon spray. It’s pretty cheap and it works just as well. Also, keep in mind, that the CO2 cartridges have a lubricant as well.
@@kevinbashnick Strange you should mention that! I have read that transmission fluid might actually be hard on the internal soft rubber seals. The gun oil is so cheap that I wouldn’t risk it. Thanks for watching!
@@AlternateArmsSD I only said that because I follow many air gun channels and saw other people suggesting it, I actually use it and haven't had any problems in my 10 air guns , by the way I'm going to do your mod on you showed on another video with this gun , thanks for the information.
For target practice a box with heavy foam works quite well. I’ve also used thick corrugated cardboard with a pillow behind it. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
The average encounter distance with a firearm is between three and 5 m or 9 to 15 feet. I typically fire on the outside of 20 feet to be outside of that range for demonstration purposes.
Yes indeed! I’m actually working on getting the 20 Joule version for a few of them. I’ll be doing the conversions on the channel in a future video :-) thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
Great video and it convinced me right on the spot to purchase one after seeing it destroy poor Anthony Hopkin's movie. You must have a lot of experience shooting as you did not miss any of the targets. I have the UBX Umarex and tried shooting it only a few times only to miss. How accurate is this T4E in a hands of a beginner like me?
Greetings! Well, I’m a veteran and have fired many types of weapons. In the case of these pepper ball guns though, they fire very very straight up to about 35 feet. The key is, your fixed sites might be a tad off. In that case, you use what we used to call “Kentucky windage“ to adjust your fire. On the upside, it’s a pepperball. If it hits, it’s going to explode :-) Have a great week. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
@@hosambanawan4604 I cant get a definitive answer on that from the manufacturer. Some say 6-8 months and some say forever. The only factor I can see would be humidity. As long as they stay dry, they should be fine.
It sure will! Now, if you do any velocity mods, it could be an issue but in the stock configuration it fires them quite nicely. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
These are indeed guns. They are just not firearms. I own a Byrna SD XL and I'm an avid airgunner have been for years. Airguns get little to no respect from many firearm people. I usually respond with the fact that it was an Airgun that actually won the West. Had it not been for the single airgun Lewis and Clark carried with them on their Discovery Expedition and demonstrated for each of the tribes they met. They never would have reached the West coast. Most people are ignorant of this fact.
Absolutley! We are also at a new technological threshold with air guns as well. There are many examples of modern air gun hunting rifles that than peak at more than 1400FPS and take down big game. I think that when folks hear “air gun” they automatically think “daisy”. We are a long way down the path. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for your excellent video. You are quite a marksman! I have just purchased a black model, here in sunny South Africa where crime is a way of life. I don't want to kill anyone but when I go away on film shoots I want my wife to be able to defend herself if need be. We live on the West Coast about forty kilometers north of beautiful Cape Town, where there are not many criminals around but we do have Cape Cobras so I was wondering whether one could load up with steel ball bearings...? What would be the best projectiles to use in this instance? Appreciate your consideration! Looking forward to your videos!
Greetings! Thank you so much! I do love to shoot :) Id suggest using the solid aluminum rounds or at the minimum the steel core riot balls. Also, I have a video up on how to mod these to MUCH more power.. Id suggest taking a look at that as well. I have not done velocity tests with steel ball bearings yet but it is in an upcoming video on different ammo types. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
I'm a single mum in a newly scary neighborhood, I know nothing about weapons and I'm wondering do I just buy any 8mm steel balls for this because I'd rather use those than pepper balls. Bearing balls, paint mixing balls, etc or is there a specific type I need to get?
What I would do is alternate the riot balls with the pepperballs that actually come in the kit with the gun. You can run all pepper balls but that’s not always necessary. Just remember, do not charge the CO2 cartridge by striking that buttcap until you’re ready to use the weapon. That way, it will stay safe around the children. Also, if you do have to use this for practice or self-defense, fire out all of the CO2 and replace it with a fresh cartridge. Thank you so much for watching and welcome to the family!
I’m not sure. I know that every state has it own regulations about air guns. More about the ammo than the gun itself. I’d suggest checking with the local sheriff and verifying the law. They are not classified as firearms though. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
Hello nice review! I have one question. Between the Umarex T4E HDP, versus the Smith & Wesson M&P which one would you recommend, or are they both about equal in some way. I would like one for home. Thank you alot.
Greets! For home use I’d go with the modified HDP50. If you look at some more recent videos on this launcher, I show folks how to get MUCH more power out of them. Thanks for watching!
They are VERY effective at close range. However, the pepperballs do have an effective area of about 6sf. Keep that in mind if you have to use it for very close combat. You wouldn’t want to gas yourself. However, I typically alternate my rounds. Are use one solid one pepper one solid one pepper and so on. Thanks for watching!
Yes (ish) ... I've been working with a company out of europe to get the 12 and 20 joule conversions for this and one other. As soon as I have a good version, Ill let you know! This thing at 20 joules would be NASTY.
Everywhere that I have researched on Canada law says that you can on an air gun that fires at less than 500 ft./s without any kind of permit. You might wanna verify that with your local authorities though.
The biggest problem with WD-40 is it it tends to bind to dust. So, while it’s an effective lubricant for a short period of time, it will cause dirt to gum things up eventually.
The ONLY bummer about this gun that Bryna has is the removable magazine. Having an extra magazine loaded just in case is a BIG DEAL for me. Plus, if you have a REAL gun, the muscle memory is already there for rapid exchange of mags . However, is that feature worth an extra $300-$400. ? Its definitely a hard consideration to think about for sure.
I actually make a speed loader for them. However, statistically speaking, most encounters are resolved within the first 4 rounds. (In fact, 94% are solved before the weapon is fired. Cowards tend to flee from force.
Thanks! Yeah, the .50 cal inerts have become tough to find. You can find solids, pepper, and rubber balls but not inert. (Strane as you can find the .68 cal anywhere) I will see if I can locate a new supplier and shoot the info into the description field. Thanks for watching!
Though I do have my concealed permit I’ve always kinda wanted one of these but for the price of a byrna I would much rather have something more let’s say official but at this price point for something that’s legit I’m very interested and would make for a cool Xmas present for my sisters who are I’d say are timid with pew pews but they’d be game for something like this
Absolutely. I’d also suggest checking out the rest of the T4E line of Umarex pepperball launchers. I have several reviews up and one coming tomorrow night. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
Video coming. It’s actually not super complex, but these are not as well constructed as the TPM one, PPQ, or Smith. Therefore, it requires a little more Finesse :-)
I hope you can help me. I bought one of these a few years ago left it on my deck loaded with pepper balls. Today I decided to shoot them and buy fresh ones. I had to literally slam the gun down on my chain link fence gate 3 times before the indicator popped. Verified this with a second CO cartridge. Called Umarex and they said you have to slam it on a hard surface. This goes against what I just saw you do on this video. You just slapped it with you hand. In a self defense situation I won't have the time to slam it "HARD" to charge. Any insight you may have is greatly appreciated.
Hey brother, absolutely. You do not have to strike that that hard at all. It sounds to me like the piercing pin may have rusted or deteriorated to the point where you’re having to really hit it hard. If you’re saying, it’s about a year old, I would go ahead and change out the valve assembly. It will definitely solve the problem that you’re currently having and it will upgrade the valve to the new valves as well as give it MUCH more power. I have a video that is much newer than this one the details, the complete, teardown and reassemble of this launcher. Take a look at it.
I am wondering if there is much of a chance of killing an attacker if you shot him in the head? I mean with the rubber ball. Probably not likely but you have to consider it.
VERY VERY little. It would have to be a one in a million hit in the EXACT precise location. Now, if you hit an eye or in the throat, it's going to cause serious damage. However, they are GREAT non-lethal option. I have another BIG head to head coming up with the higher caliber versions. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
@@AlternateArmsSD yeah you can injure but death very unlikely blinding them yeah if your really that good of a shot on a moving target the only way i can see this being lethal is maybe add an adapter where you can attach a HIGH PRESSURE AIR (HPA) tank the strongest one out there use a riot ball and aim for the eye 👀 the adams apple or sternum maybe temple that would maybe make it lethal and if it doesn't i would say maybe a long term injury at very least 🤔🤔
I'm retired NYPD and on the range we are taught that most shootings occur 7 to 10 feet thank you for saying that most of the videos I have watched they always talk 10foot distance if your that far away you'd better have a actual firearm just the same thanks great video
Thank you so much and thank you for your service! I do what I can to make sure that the information that I pass along in these videos is truthful and accurate and as up-to-date as possible :-) An actual firearm is, of course, preferable in any situation that is life or death but this is just an alternative. Personally, I believe that vigilance and attention to your surroundings takes precedence. Know who and what is around you at all times and be observant of human nature. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
@@AlternateArmsSD Less/non lethal self defence is also good to have in many situtations. Many cops carry less lethal weapons in addition to pistol for example. I don't think lethal firearm is answer to all situations, as some home owners have found out to their sorrow after blowing away an unarmed home intruder. Another example would be unarmed homeless person who is being aggressive - drunks or someone on crack. Thank good for pepper spray!
@@springer-qb4dv Absolutely. And, as any victim will tell you, anything would be better than nothing. Self-defense starts by being vigilant. You are your own first responder in all situations.
@@springer-qb4dv Yes I agree and we need more police to use discernment when handling situations like homeless .There was a situation where a old homeless woman had a screwdriver and they shot her dead. no teaser no destruction and come up behind her or anything
I have had been in a situation where I had pepper spray in one hand and gun in the other. About 4 feet away. I shot pepper spray. Gun ready to fire if needed. He went down. I suggest for others to do the same if you can. I just had the time to do all that because I try too always be ready. Any time you can take someone down without using deadly force you win.
I bought 1 and tested it really good as in this video. I got it from watching this video because in Washington D.C. and Maryland it is pretty much illegal to transport real guns. I wanted a self defense legal to carey. Thanks to this presentation i got one. Regulary kept in my car loaded with first shot pepper ball and next 2 ahot rubber ball and so on.
I also bought 1/2 steel balls to try out. Put oil on them and loaded all 6 shots in. Damaged the Bullet-proof vest pretty bad and ripped apart wood. It fires like a Civil War Gun with the 1/2 Steel Barring Balls. At least i have deadly home defense for burglars.
Also found out holster was impossible getting for this size. You need a desert Eagle size holster especially with trl laser light. I haven't found one yet .
Greetings! I have found that a standard pancake style leather holster works pretty well. Also, some of the 1911 style kydex holsters work well too! Thanks for watching and have a great week!
I don't like pepper ball guns that look so much like the real thing, for the same reason it isnt smart to pull out bb guns in public, because people - including the police - may believe it's a real gun and you could get shot over it. The flaw is the design, i.e., it looks too much like a real gun. Now think about this. Under what circumstances would you go to non-lethal? When there's a threat that isn't lethal to you. If there's a lethal threat to you, you don't go to a pepper ball gun, but a real gun. So if there's a non-lethal threat to you, you go to the pepper ball gun. You pull this out. Now anybody around you who is carrying lethal has a right to react with lethal, because they perceive you just drew lethal for a non-lethal situation, making you the aggressor in their mind. I'll take a pepper ball gun as a non-lethal option, but I don't want it to look like the real thing.
@@AlternateArmsSD I don't like pepper ball guns that look so much like the real thing, for the same reason it isnt smart to pull out bb guns in public, because people - including the police - may believe it's a real gun and you could get shot over it. The flaw is the design, i.e., it looks too much like a real gun. Now think about this. Under what circumstances would you go to non-lethal? When there's a threat that isn't lethal to you. If there's a lethal threat to you, you don't go to a pepper ball gun, but a real gun. So if there's a non-lethal threat to you, you go to the pepper ball gun. You pull this out. Now anybody around you who is carrying lethal has a right to react with lethal, because they perceive you just drew lethal for a non-lethal situation, making you the aggressor in their mind. I'll take a pepper ball gun as a non-lethal option, but I don't want it to look like the real thing.
@@markanderson77 that is true to some extent. The other advantage, though would be the deterrent factor of having a weapon in the first place. Cowards tend to flee from force, and if they know you’re going to fight back, they will tend to run as opposed to stand and fight. There are pros and cons both ways, and it really boils down to personal preference.
@@AlternateArmsSD As far as the deterrent factor, I don't know if I agree with that. Using a pepper ball gun as a deterrent isn't a smart idea. Furthermore, the ones who aren't looking for a confrontation are the not the ones to be concerned about. It's the ones who are looking to inflict damage. Police officers get attacked and shot, yet they open carry. This is why I'm not a fan of open carry, period. Criminals by definition have the element of surprise. Open carry merely results in relinquishing the element of surprise. People shouldn't be open carrying. They should be carrying concealed.
I’m in England and firearms are super hard to acquire. I have the HDR 50. Prefer it over the HDP as can use slugs instead of just riot balls. A slug mould and power kit upgrade is available from home Defence-24 in Germany. Power kit will take a 7.5 J version up to 20* J. Slugs made from hot glue and ball bearings are more hard hitting than the balls.Also it has revolver drum cartridges so easy and fast to reload with preloaded magazines.
Greetings! That is a perfect example of why these are so important. We always get the “it’s not a real gun“ crowd but in situations like that, self-defense is absolutely imperative and these are perfect. I understand that the knife violence rate is pretty high over there. These would absolutely be a perfect deterrent for that.
I’ve actually been talking to them about getting one of those conversion sit down so that I can install it and take a look at the velocity difference. The only thing I’m wondering, how many shots do you lose since you’re using more pressure per shot? We’re going to find out in an upcoming video :-)
Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
@@AlternateArmsSD my girlfriend got me one. Comes Thursday. So happy
@@AlternateArmsSD to tune the marker fully you also need the aluminium magazine drum and the steel replacement barrel. Tightens things up a bit more.
@@petersmith6974 Thanks! I actually read that as well as a list of upgrades and mods for these. I’m trying to get some of them for the channel and show folks how to do the mods. Wish me luck :)
I just bought one online and for the price you can buy another one as a backup in case you run out of rubber steel balls or pepper balls when firing at the intruder!
Congrats! Check out the mod videos I have on these. Once you unlock their true power, they are beasts :) Thanks for watching!
I ordered one & a 15 pack of CO2 cartridges from Cabela's 2 days ago & I got it in the mail today. That was fast, now it's time to take my RV on the road.
You’re going to love it!! Be safe out there! Thanks for watching!
@@AlternateArmsSD I do love it, I tried it @ 10 & 20 feet, the shots are right on ± 3", that is good enough to hit someone in the chest. I haven't tried the gas yet; I am saving them for when I need them.
A few people have recommended the HDR over the HDP, because the HDR is a revolver. It uses a rotary magazine, like many pellet guns use, and the magazines are fairly cheap. I really had to think hard about which I wanted to get, but I got the HDP for a first pass, and if I like it, I may get the HDR as well.
Funny you should say that.... Stay tuned :) Thanks for watching!
@@AlternateArmsSD I'm enjoying the videos so far! I used to do an email newsletter monthly where I reviewed all sorts of handguns, not with the thought of tacticool, but whether it would be a good choice as a household defensive tool. Considering this started when Yahoogroups was still Egroups, it shows how long I've been looking at stuff for their defensive potential. You're doing great.
The TI 99/4a behind you is a strange bit of nostalgia too. 😁
@@JennyEverywhere Thank you so much! I love my channel and making the videos and that means the world to me. I have quite a few, very interesting, contenders coming up for this as well. I’m an old school computer guy, who would’ve ever guessed that my most popular videos would be pepper ball guns? :-)
@@AlternateArmsSD I know exactly what you mean. I'm a computer person myself, and an Extra-class ham radio operator. But I also like anything that emits a projectile, I collect slide rules, and I'm a sport lockpicker.
@@JennyEverywhere ok, that’s awesome!! I have a series that I’ve done on my channel called “let’s check out this Facebook scroll item”. It’s those cheesy items you always see for sale on Facebook that you may or may not ever received. One of them is a universal lock picking kit and a lock to practice on. I’ve always wondered if that thing actually works :-)
Just bought one a week ago California resident here . Yes yes no pepper balls . I haven't had a chance to test it's full capacity, however i was surprised at how loud it was in my living room, i didn't load anything in it just the cartridge for fun , it's loud and def intimidating
Heh yeah it’s quite a bit louder than the video makes it seem to be. I’m in a pretty big area :) Thanks for watching!
Can’t wait to get this. It definitely would have come in handy several times in the last few years lol.
Im enjoying it for sure! Wait till you see the next one! :) Have a great week!
I got the mod and a .50 cal aluminum ball goes straight through a can of green beans at 15 feet! Loud to.
Yes indeed! They are awesome!
So first, you are a decent shot. Thumbs up! These are awesome videos about these non-lethal options. I'd love to see chrono and projectile weight results for all of them. Regardless, very well done sir!
Thanks my friend! I have some weight and fps tests up and coming! Stay tuned! Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
I don't like pepper ball guns that look so much like the real thing, for the same reason it isnt smart to pull out bb guns in public, because people - including the police - may believe it's a real gun and you could get shot over it. The flaw is the design, i.e., it looks too much like a real gun. Now think about this. Under what circumstances would you go to non-lethal? When there's a threat that isn't lethal to you. If there's a lethal threat to you, you don't go to a pepper ball gun, but a real gun. So if there's a non-lethal threat to you, you go to the pepper ball gun. You pull this out. Now anybody around you who is carrying lethal has a right to react with lethal, because they perceive you just drew lethal for a non-lethal situation, making you the aggressor in their mind. I'll take a pepper ball gun as a non-lethal option, but I don't want it to look like the real thing.
For the comparison power capability of air/co2 guns, knowing what the 'barrel end' energy output of the gun (usually given in joules) is very helpful.
Indeed it is!! Joules and fps coming very soon … I have been planning several head to head videos and needed a few tools to make them fair and complete. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!!
Thank you, John.
My pleasure Brother!
Absolutely terrific lil gun!! I actually own a few umarex products and couldn’t be happier! (Tr-50… HDP 50…an all Crome 357 bb revolver….steel striker and and some other bb revolver looks just like the tr 50)
Can’t understand nor justify the price jump to the other guys. Under 100 bucks and fired hundreds of the plastic practice rounds without a hiccup! Also have a few of the full auto BB’s
Talk about fun!!!
Great quality and realism at an affordable price!!
Umarex Baby!!
I am a fan :) I have yet to have one fail myself :)
almost dropped a bunch of money on a byrna until i saw this, now this is more like it, uses common 12g co2 without some adapter, has a higher fps than byrna, i can't picture myself needing more than 6 pepper balls or steel / rubber riot balls per incident unless their are multiple attackers or i am stuck in the middle of an antifa riot so mag changes should not be an issue, and it is only $89.00 for a kit
@@commiesnzombies and cheap and easy to mod! The HDP50 is one of my all time favorites.
Hi John, So Glad I came across your site, the others didn't even show how to load the CO2 Cartridges, Thanks for the "To the point" video,,Great shooting BTW
Thank you so much my friend! I strive to keep it simple. :) Thanks so much for watching!
Whoa. That's really great.
Be sure to have a lethal option or a way out of the situation if non-lethal doesn't deter the threat.
Self defense if a multi tiered approach brother. It all starts with situational awareness. Also, training is key. You can have the greatest weapon on earth but, if you don’t know how to use it when the situation arises, it’s totally worthless.
This is a very early video to man, you might enjoy some of the newer stuff as well :-)
Wow great flipping of the Filipino butterfly knife! Subscribed!
Balisong ;-)
Thank you!! It’s always been my favorite knife and I’ve used them since I was 5 :) Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
I have this gun. When used for target practice I use any 12mm balls. Says .50 cal is 1/2 inch. No. Not true. Got slingshot balls at Walmart and only 4 out of 50 fit. Awesome gun tho. Pepper balls hurt me too even far away. Great gun for price. Your videos are awesome. I'm always ready for the next one. God bless. Keep up the good work.
Thank you so much!! You’ll never know how much this means to me! You are correct! I have a line of some awesome aluminum balls as well I’ll be testing shortly!! Thanks for watching!
I love stronghold. Miss playing that.
I still do from time to time ;) Its a great game!
That was pretty awesome dude way better than the byrna for the price sure there's some things you might not like and some you might but this is what I'm buying. My only quirk is I don't like the color so I'm hoping I can get a different color if not I'll be painting it thank you again. To think this is the length I have to go to to be safe on the road and not have my bicycle stolen AGAIN.
Greets! You can actually get them in a variety of colors. I am also getting a few alternatives for testing. I’m sorry about your bike man.. We live in strange times. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
@@AlternateArmsSD where do you buy different colors?
@@AP-ps7ke There should be options in the link I put in the description. They were out of black but they said they would have them soon. I have another COOL one come up in the next video! Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!!
Please tell me how to paint mine black I can't stand the orange...Umarex USA T4E/P2P HDP .50 Caliber Air PistolUmarex T4E by P2P HDP .50 Caliber Air Pistol
@@-Fecoboost That’s funny you should mention that, they do actually have a black version but only in Germany. I’m trying to get details on that now and if I do, I’ll keep you posted. As far as painting it, I’ve never tried but I can’t see why you couldn’t.
Outstanding videos.you arw the best at demonstrating these items
Thanks man!! I love making the videos for folks! Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!!
I know this is an older vid, but this was my first less lethal. It's also the one I used in a defense situation. Not modded, it's out of the box, but it did protect me as intended. Also, being in CA, I only had kinetic rounds.
Greetings! Thanks for watching. You know, to date, this is still one of the most reliable and modifiable launchers on the market. So much so that the V2 is internally IDENTICAL.
Great overview of this home defense option, thanks.
Thank you! I have several of these on the channel and this one was, by far, the most affordable option for what you get! I have a .50 cal head-to-head planned shortly! Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
I would like to make an appt to upgrade my hdp50 compact.
If you would like to come by the shop on the weekend, I only entire flea market. You might get a kick out of walking around while I do the modification :-)
I like the launcher, it feels good it is very light it does not feel cheap. What I do not like is loading it, I wish there was a magazine. If you have to reload this thing with more ammo or change out the CO2 in a hurry you are in trouble...
Greets! Absolutely correct. There is a modification that can be done to this to greatly increase the power which offsets that loading issue a little. Stay tune for that one :-) thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
If you need this in a self defence situation, once you fire 6 rounds you won't have time to reload anything. At that point either the threat has withdrawn or you are going hands on.
What would you recommend this umarex or the similar lancer?
Yes, its is a bit larger but can be easily modifed to FAR surpass the power of the hornet or scorpion.
@@AlternateArmsSD Thanks
@@boydparcell2091 my pleasure
Hey I bough the same steel balls and they seem to be to sticky to feed properly, any advice? Thanks.
You bet! Use some silicon spray. Spray it right down the line lightly. DONT it’s WD40 though as it attracts and absorbs dust and debris.
@@AlternateArmsSD I’ll give it a try thanks! Just to be clear when you say don’t use WD40 do you mean the original WD40 or the WD40 silicon spray? Would the 3 in 1 silicon lubricant spray be okay? Thanks again.
@@GeorgeSmith-sb6xs Yeah, 3 in one should be ok.. Ive just found that WD-40 tend to gum things up with collected dust, dirt, and small fragments. Also, if you have to, you can get 12.8mm steel bearings.. they work well too.
Another good video the gun is nice only the loading & power is a problem also wish I could find it in black orange doesn't do it for me the T4E hdr50 is much getter plus you can change the valve for 11 joules and it loads faster
Yes power mods (20 FPE+), ability to load any custom rounds including hot glue rounds, and fast swapping of magazine makes HDR50 a winner. HDP? not so much.
Jon as always very informative video. Whats the best pepper round for this and will other 50 caliber brands fit like hawki, pavo etc. Tnx Ed!
You want a good mixture of OC/PAVA and CS. (I have them on my website) www.alternatearmsselfdefense.com
I wood like to see you do a croon on this t4e 50 cal hd Tom
Greets! A croon?
Umarex owns the Walther, they make really really good stuff. Look at a real deal American market Walther and an Umarex gun, both say Fort Smith because they are one and the same.
Also follow-up, I just got the Gen 1 at the local airsoft/paintball/LTL store and gave it a test. Ran the rubber rounds through it for a whole 12g and can say after that I put another and the pepper rounds in it. Trigger pull feels so light but is long enough to be safe, power even stock at 7.5J is plenty, and at 6 feet I'm making ONE HOLE aiming with proper defensive "both eyes open and point".
Not sure what you do, looks like you just have a dedicated area to play, but have you found any means of catching the rubber balls for reuse that a person could employ with this kind of air pistol in a home range setting while target shooting?
What are the amazing way to start the conversation :-) well, the wall behind me actually represents my 35 years in IT. In fact, my very first computer from 1980 is on that wall as well as every computer and game system I have ever owned. All of the boards behind me are actual client motherboards over the last 35 years. I can tell you the story of every board on that wall, it’s not just a random assortment :-)
As far as catching the rounds for reuse, it’s actually pretty simple. Get yourself a nice double walled corrugated box and fill it with a heavy, packing foam. Then, back it up to a wall or a board. Depending on what modifications you have installed, that will stop the round at differing levels throughout the foam. Make sure that you inspect the rounds before you fired them again who ensure that they are not damaged.
Thank you so much for watching!
I have this gun.i was impressed by it.i shoot rubbersteel balls no problem. Also shoot pepperballs
Yep, and the price point was very hard to complain about :)
Can you do a video ranking your favorite less lethal pistols?
I can’t indeed. That would be a tough video, they are always evolving, improving, and changing. However, it would be fun :-)
NOW THATS A SHIRT THAT BELONGS ON ME LOL
Hehe my wife always tells me that it explains why I can loose my keys in my own pocket ;)
What light and laser fits on the t4e tr50 I bought one through Amazon and the rail was too big for the light and laser attachment
Greets! The laser Ive been using (and its very cheap) is : amzn.to/3CAaGyV
I have used a light yet but Ill look in to it! Thanks!
Thanks for your review, I just ordered one, I couldn't wait for the one I wanted, the PepperBall LifeLite they are out of stock.
Greets! You will like it! We seem to be in a nasty shortage of just about everything. I do have a modification video up as well you might enjoy! Have a great night!
@@AlternateArmsSD I seen the mod video, I don't want to chance the mod yet, till I see if the gas projectiles explode in the gun, I don't want to gas myself.
@@thomasgarrison3949 heh good point! :)
i heard the reason the co2 goes in backwards half assed bcuz they had a polish fella working on the designing stages lol his last name was PHiL FLiPiNSKi Jr Jr
ROFL!!! Are you insinuating that we're lucky that the barrel isn't curved and pointed backwards as well :)
13:46-13:52 "Be kind please rewind." Yep, that won't be happening now...
OMG I just spit tea across the table!! :) That was great!
Between this gun and the scorpion what one of these would you prefer
Once modded, and I have MANY videos up on the mods, the HDP50 is more powerful by far. The mod is absolutely necessary. Now, that being said, the scorpion is smaller and easier to conceal.
The downside for me are the color, and the nub on the butt of the weapon thats possibly a tangled choke hold when carrying concealed ( under a shirt or sweater
Oh brother, have I ever got a series of videos for you? :-) take a look at my video that shows you how to dye these any color you want, particularly black :-) also, there are punch cap covers that fit over that cap as well.
Send me a link to the video of how to modify it to.make it more powerful
Look in my playlist for pepperball launchers. It’s a few videos back.
Thank you you help me make my decision.
My pleasure my friend! Be safe out there!
Would you test that on a skully?
I sure will! Plus, a mod video for it coming soon!
Thank you.im going to get the 11joule of that gun.you can find it on less lethal defense
this will be my first ,,, with a speed loader
After the upgrade, 10 shots is all you need. It hits like a truck!
Thank you! This video was super informative. Cheers
Thanks man!! I really appreciate that. I love making the videos and I love my channel :-)
Hey brother thanks for the info. Mine is coming in by thurs
My pleasure man! You’re going to enjoy it! Thanks for watching!
I want to get one of these because they are much more reasonable priced.
They are, in my opinion, the best value in the less than lethal weapons arena to date. They are also very upgradable, which makes them formidable against any other launcher. Thanks for watching!
What conceal carry small air handgun do you recommend? Small in size advantages and disadvantages? Video link if available.
Funny you should say that, I have two more that came in yesterday. I will be shooting the videos on Sunday and releasing them on Monday. Stay tuned. These are definitely some of my most recommended for conceal. My wife actually carries one of these as well. The only disadvantage, of course, is if they are not a real handgun. However, the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages. I will go through all of that for you specifically on the next video. Thank you for watching and welcome to the family!
awesome pistol thanks for the demo
I don't like pepper ball guns that look so much like the real thing, for the same reason it isnt smart to pull out bb guns in public, because people - including the police - may believe it's a real gun and you could get shot over it. The flaw is the design, i.e., it looks too much like a real gun. Now think about this. Under what circumstances would you go to non-lethal? When there's a threat that isn't lethal to you. If there's a lethal threat to you, you don't go to a pepper ball gun, but a real gun. So if there's a non-lethal threat to you, you go to the pepper ball gun. You pull this out. Now anybody around you who is carrying lethal has a right to react with lethal, because they perceive you just drew lethal for a non-lethal situation, making you the aggressor in their mind. I'll take a pepper ball gun as a non-lethal option, but I don't want it to look like the real thing.
That one is 7.5 joules. The black is 11 joules but you cant get the 11 joules here in the usa
Not without the mods :)
I'm sure by now you have figured out, you only need to use the Allen key to lose the punch the first time. No need to ever use it again. Screw hand tight and your ready to go
Thats what I teach :)
Could you shoot the safes with it and show us?
Funny you should ask. I have a new test setup for the head to head coming soon. You’re going to love it!
Is there any independent reliability testing documentation for this pistol? Thanks!
Well, I can tell you from personal experience that I have used them for well over a year and have had no issues at all. There is very little than can malfunction.
Jon you have hdp50 punch button cover and speed loader, price each! As always great video's 👍
I do :) Shoot me an email jonreynoldscts@gmail.com I'll have them up on the website next week. I'm still playing catch up.
Have you tried a crono test? If so how many joules/fps and weight of the ammo?
Oh yeah brother, this is actually at old video. Look forward to see many many different tests.
That’s an excellent gun I own can’t go wrong for the price shoots 8mm steal balls and punctures sheet metal
Mark my words they probly will or have one with a magazine it will bust byrna
Yeah these folks have nowhere to go but up. The weight felt amazing and the size was perfect for a larger hand! I have more on deck for testing but, overall, I like the form factor of this one. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
How do you shoot 8mm balls
I still watch VHS ❤😂
I thought I was alone!! :)
Are you only at your retail location on the weekend?
Nah, I’m there most days. The storefront is only open on the weekend. I meet folks by appointment quite a bit :)
correct me if im wrong but the .50 cal balls are the same as 1/2 inch ball bearings yes?
Rumor has it that Umarex is about to drop a compact 50 cal version that takes a 8g co2
I heard that too. I certainly hope not though, I don’t like the 8 g cartridges. If they do get it, I will certainly have one of the channel though :-)
Where did you get that information from? I know they are releasing a HDX 68caliber shotgun in December.
@@Turbospoo1 Just chatter from fellow TH-camrs. I saw that shotgun and I will certainly get one on the show at some point. That thing looks nasty!
@@Jason-andTheArgonauts It’s actually about the same as the Byrna. It’s not too loud but you definitely know you sent a round down range. :) Have a great night!
@@Turbospoo1 man I can’t wait for the the 40+ joule shotgun. Has the racking feature and everything. It looks very cool and seems to have lots of power
The byrna shoots at around 250 fps.that gun shoots around 375.there are mod kits for it that will take it up to 500 fps
Yep, I did a few calculations about that as well. Ill share them on the next vid.
where to get mod Kit?
@@AP-ps7ke I should have a link soon!
@@AlternateArmsSD 👍
Hola como estas pregunta cuantos joules tiene esta versión original?? Gracias saludos desde argentina
¡Saludos! La versión original es 7.5J. Sin embargo, después de la modificación, está más cerca de 30J. También tengo ese video ;) ¡Que tengas una gran noche!
I live in New York the HDP50 and HDR50 you cannot buy.But you can buy the TR50.Why?
HDP =H(Home)D(Defense)P(Pistol) and HDR=H(Home)D(Defense)R(Revolver) TR=T(Training)R(Revolver) The HDR and TR are the same thing.
I got the TR50 7.5 Joule version.
Then I went to HomeDefence-24 and got the HDR50 7.5 Joule version
valve upgrade kit that made it 3 times more powerful.
The pressure chamber in the 11 Joule version is smaller so not as powerful as the 7.5 Joule version.
With the Valve kit and remove the plug/spacer in the pressure chamber.
Absolutely!! After the first of the year, I am planning videos on both the HDP and HDR showing folks how to do the conversion in a simple and easy to follow way. (That the way I try to do all of my videos). I have a simple explanation though.. One looks “scarier” than the other. That seems to always be the case. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
Looking for a good potent pepper ball for these, do you have any recommendations?
Greetings, I actually have some of my own mixture on my website. I’m working on trying to get mace to produce one as well as Papava shot, but they’re a little resistant to getting the molds to create the rounds. Give me time :-)
Thank you! Are yours 50 cal?
@@matthewmolone9224 43, 50, and 68.
The link you provide for _'Hard Rubber Balls/Steel Core'_ is the wrong one. Rather than .50 cal. the link is for 43 Caliber.
You're correct! Thanks for catching that! I corrected it. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
@@AlternateArmsSD No worries. Easy mistake to make with all the options. I just today ordered one of these guns. I'm betting I'll be happy with it as an alternative to blowing someone away.
@@russf6572 Oh, you’re gonna love it :-) let me know what you think. Have a great week!
if you shoot a couple balls and then dont use it again for say a couple months - will the co2 run out just sitting??? thanks
Greetings! You never want to leave these loaded for prolonged periods of time. If you’re going to practice, use all of the CO2 and replace it with a fresh cartridge. You want a nice, un-punctured, fresh cartridge when you need it for self-defense. Thanks for watching!
THANK YOU 😊@@AlternateArmsSD
How do I go about getting the upgraded co2 valve for the HDP50?
Shoot me an email Brother. Jonreynoldscts@gmail.com
I purchased this gun and want to test it. I want to fire 5-6 test shots with rubber bullets that I purchased separately. However, the manual says that I need to apply RWS Chamber Lube oil to 12g CO2 capsule every time I insert a new capsule. But RWS Chamber Lube oil is not included and costs almost 20% of gun itself. Can I test the gun without applying the oil to C02 capsule. On this video you use the gun without oil. Is it ok to do that for my test?
You can absolutely test it without having to place the lube in the weapon. Before I actually knew about pell gun oil, I was doing it all the time :-) Look into silicon spray. It’s pretty cheap and it works just as well. Also, keep in mind, that the CO2 cartridges have a lubricant as well.
You can just use automatic transmission fluid.
@@kevinbashnick Strange you should mention that! I have read that transmission fluid might actually be hard on the internal soft rubber seals. The gun oil is so cheap that I wouldn’t risk it. Thanks for watching!
@@AlternateArmsSD I only said that because I follow many air gun channels and saw other people suggesting it, I actually use it and haven't had any problems in my 10 air guns , by the way I'm going to do your mod on you showed on another video with this gun , thanks for the information.
@@kevinbashnick Awesome!! I’ll look on to it as well and mention it to folks.
let me know when my joker hdp is ready for purchase there uhhhhh pac man love the show your kkillin it 1Ooo%
Thank you brother! Nina is going to be working hot and heavy in the beginning of the year getting new ones painted. I will keep you posted :)
What can be used to catch the rubber balls??? Any suggestions?
For target practice a box with heavy foam works quite well. I’ve also used thick corrugated cardboard with a pillow behind it. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
How far are you shooting?.
The average encounter distance with a firearm is between three and 5 m or 9 to 15 feet. I typically fire on the outside of 20 feet to be outside of that range for demonstration purposes.
Id love to see how the Walther PPQ Or the Smith &Wesson M&P4 hold up against this
They are both on my testing radar! I have a couple more ready to rock as well. Stay tuned :) Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
I'm guessing this is the 7.5 J version. In Europe you can buy the 11 J version with no restrictions (except for age - 18 +)
Yes indeed! I’m actually working on getting the 20 Joule version for a few of them. I’ll be doing the conversions on the channel in a future video :-) thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
@@AlternateArmsSD Is there a way to get the 11j black version here in the states?
@@MWS67 yes but you don’t actually need it. There is no physical difference between the two except for the size of the valve block.
Good shot
Thanks man!
What do you think the joules are on this?.
Out of the box 7.5-11 but they are VERY easy to mod to over 20.
That hits hard for a stock gun.that would hurt.
Yes, and they are easy to mod up to amazing power.
Great video and it convinced me right on the spot to purchase one after seeing it destroy poor Anthony Hopkin's movie. You must have a lot of experience shooting as you did not miss any of the targets. I have the UBX Umarex and tried shooting it only a few times only to miss. How accurate is this T4E in a hands of a beginner like me?
Greetings! Well, I’m a veteran and have fired many types of weapons. In the case of these pepper ball guns though, they fire very very straight up to about 35 feet. The key is, your fixed sites might be a tad off. In that case, you use what we used to call “Kentucky windage“ to adjust your fire. On the upside, it’s a pepperball. If it hits, it’s going to explode :-)
Have a great week. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
@@AlternateArmsSD great video...how long can I leave the peoer rounds in the pistol ?
@@hosambanawan4604 I cant get a definitive answer on that from the manufacturer. Some say 6-8 months and some say forever. The only factor I can see would be humidity. As long as they stay dry, they should be fine.
will it shoot .50 cal paint balls?
It sure will! Now, if you do any velocity mods, it could be an issue but in the stock configuration it fires them quite nicely. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
These are indeed guns. They are just not firearms. I own a Byrna SD XL and I'm an avid airgunner have been for years. Airguns get little to no respect from many firearm people. I usually respond with the fact that it was an Airgun that actually won the West. Had it not been for the single airgun Lewis and Clark carried with them on their Discovery Expedition and demonstrated for each of the tribes they met. They never would have reached the West coast. Most people are ignorant of this fact.
Absolutley! We are also at a new technological threshold with air guns as well. There are many examples of modern air gun hunting rifles that than peak at more than 1400FPS and take down big game. I think that when folks hear “air gun” they automatically think “daisy”. We are a long way down the path. Thanks for watching!
I had a question about the cal rubber steel balls, are those the best ammo for the hdp.50? If not which ammo do you recommend?
Greetings! Rubber/Steel are great. I also like aluminum rounds and a good quality pepperball is always great.
@@AlternateArmsSD awesome thank you, those are awesome videos that you make I really enjoy them!
@@gerardomagallanes2789 Thanks my friend! I love my channel and this community is amazing! Welcome to the family ;)
Thanks for your excellent video.
You are quite a marksman!
I have just purchased a black model, here in sunny South Africa where crime is a way of life.
I don't want to kill anyone but when I go away on film shoots I want my wife to be able to defend herself if need be.
We live on the West Coast about forty kilometers north of beautiful Cape Town, where there are not many criminals around but we do have Cape Cobras so I was wondering whether one could load up with steel ball bearings...?
What would be the best projectiles to use in this instance?
Appreciate your consideration!
Looking forward to your videos!
Greetings! Thank you so much! I do love to shoot :) Id suggest using the solid aluminum rounds or at the minimum the steel core riot balls. Also, I have a video up on how to mod these to MUCH more power.. Id suggest taking a look at that as well. I have not done velocity tests with steel ball bearings yet but it is in an upcoming video on different ammo types. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
@@AlternateArmsSD thank you kindly!
I shall follow your videos, learning a lot.
Have a marvelous eve!
I'm a single mum in a newly scary neighborhood, I know nothing about weapons and I'm wondering do I just buy any 8mm steel balls for this because I'd rather use those than pepper balls. Bearing balls, paint mixing balls, etc or is there a specific type I need to get?
What I would do is alternate the riot balls with the pepperballs that actually come in the kit with the gun. You can run all pepper balls but that’s not always necessary. Just remember, do not charge the CO2 cartridge by striking that buttcap until you’re ready to use the weapon. That way, it will stay safe around the children. Also, if you do have to use this for practice or self-defense, fire out all of the CO2 and replace it with a fresh cartridge.
Thank you so much for watching and welcome to the family!
@@AlternateArmsSD You will get better power from lighter aluminum balls. Steel sounds better in theory but go aluminum with these.
@@MWS67 oh yeah, brother, once again, this is a much older video. Move further forward and you will see that I use exclusively aluminum.
I wish they would do away with the realistic gun details on the orange slide. BTW your link for the rubber/steel balls slinks to the wrong caliber
It looks right when I click it. They are .50 cal on this gun. The Byrna and SS use a .68 cal.
Could you add a link for which pepper balls to buy also?
I sure can my friend! Link added. thanks for catching that!
Are these legal to carry in NYC?
I’m not sure. I know that every state has it own regulations about air guns. More about the ammo than the gun itself. I’d suggest checking with the local sheriff and verifying the law. They are not classified as firearms though. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
There are many different configurations of this gun, how many joules does this gun have?
I believe this is the 7 joule version but I am working on getting conversion kits. Stay tuned :) Thanks for watching and welcome to to family!
Hello nice review! I have one question. Between the Umarex T4E HDP, versus the Smith & Wesson M&P which one would you recommend, or are they both about equal in some way. I would like one for home. Thank you alot.
Greets! For home use I’d go with the modified HDP50. If you look at some more recent videos on this launcher, I show folks how to get MUCH more power out of them. Thanks for watching!
@@AlternateArmsSD thank you so much. I will be getting one very soon, like tonight! LOl
@@susansmith7071 Hehe I sell the modified versions. They are hard hitting to say the least! :)
@@AlternateArmsSD I am looking at your video now. They are on Amazon right or do you have your own link?
@@susansmith7071 Shoot me an email.. Jonreynoldscts@gmail.com
I don't know anything about any type of firearm. What about close up? Are they effective close up?
They are VERY effective at close range. However, the pepperballs do have an effective area of about 6sf. Keep that in mind if you have to use it for very close combat. You wouldn’t want to gas yourself. However, I typically alternate my rounds. Are use one solid one pepper one solid one pepper and so on. Thanks for watching!
Do you have a link to do the 500 fps mod?
Yes (ish) ... I've been working with a company out of europe to get the 12 and 20 joule conversions for this and one other. As soon as I have a good version, Ill let you know! This thing at 20 joules would be NASTY.
Can u send to Ontario Canada
Everywhere that I have researched on Canada law says that you can on an air gun that fires at less than 500 ft./s without any kind of permit. You might wanna verify that with your local authorities though.
@@AlternateArmsSD thanks you I don't see the link. I want this
I have been looking everywhere for this gun and steel ball
@@AlternateArmsSD can u sell me one of these?
@@mrstraw153 Let me see if I can find a Canadian link.
Do you sell the t4ehdp50 upgraded 500fps
I do indeed. Shoot me an email at jonreynoldscts@gmail.com
what happens if the lubrication is with wd40
The biggest problem with WD-40 is it it tends to bind to dust. So, while it’s an effective lubricant for a short period of time, it will cause dirt to gum things up eventually.
thanks for your answer. regards
@@MrChesare111 My pleasure brother! Welcome to the family!
The ONLY bummer about this gun that Bryna has is the removable magazine.
Having an extra magazine loaded just in case is a BIG DEAL for me. Plus, if you have a REAL gun, the muscle memory is already there for rapid exchange of mags . However, is that feature worth an extra $300-$400. ? Its definitely a hard consideration to think about for sure.
I actually make a speed loader for them. However, statistically speaking, most encounters are resolved within the first 4 rounds. (In fact, 94% are solved before the weapon is fired. Cowards tend to flee from force.
Hi, Love your reviews ! I did not see where you can get the clear inert 50cal balls. Can you help me out ?
Thanks! Yeah, the .50 cal inerts have become tough to find. You can find solids, pepper, and rubber balls but not inert. (Strane as you can find the .68 cal anywhere) I will see if I can locate a new supplier and shoot the info into the description field. Thanks for watching!
Though I do have my concealed permit I’ve always kinda wanted one of these but for the price of a byrna I would much rather have something more let’s say official but at this price point for something that’s legit I’m very interested and would make for a cool Xmas present for my sisters who are I’d say are timid with pew pews but they’d be game for something like this
Absolutely. I’d also suggest checking out the rest of the T4E line of Umarex pepperball launchers. I have several reviews up and one coming tomorrow night. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
Any upgrade available yet?
Video coming. It’s actually not super complex, but these are not as well constructed as the TPM one, PPQ, or Smith. Therefore, it requires a little more Finesse :-)
Seems like a worthwhile self-defense weapon. What holsters does it fit into?
There is a plastic holster from Umarex you can get.
EXCELLENT video....
Thanks man! I have a few more competitors coming soon! Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
I hope you can help me. I bought one of these a few years ago left it on my deck loaded with pepper balls. Today I decided to shoot them and buy fresh ones. I had to literally slam the gun down on my chain link fence gate 3 times before the indicator popped. Verified this with a second CO cartridge. Called Umarex and they said you have to slam it on a hard surface. This goes against what I just saw you do on this video. You just slapped it with you hand. In a self defense situation I won't have the time to slam it "HARD" to charge. Any insight you may have is greatly appreciated.
Hey brother, absolutely. You do not have to strike that that hard at all. It sounds to me like the piercing pin may have rusted or deteriorated to the point where you’re having to really hit it hard.
If you’re saying, it’s about a year old, I would go ahead and change out the valve assembly. It will definitely solve the problem that you’re currently having and it will upgrade the valve to the new valves as well as give it MUCH more power. I have a video that is much newer than this one the details, the complete, teardown and reassemble of this launcher. Take a look at it.
It's more like 3-4 years old and it's not corroded or rusted. Looks brand new. Thanks for the reply.
I am wondering if there is much of a chance of killing an attacker if you shot him in the head?
I mean with the rubber ball. Probably not likely but you have to consider it.
VERY VERY little. It would have to be a one in a million hit in the EXACT precise location. Now, if you hit an eye or in the throat, it's going to cause serious damage. However, they are GREAT non-lethal option. I have another BIG head to head coming up with the higher caliber versions. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
@@AlternateArmsSD 11 joules seems to put a hole right through a chicken. Upgrade to 11 joules.
@@TheWay-up777 That’s the plan :-)
@@AlternateArmsSD yeah you can injure but death very unlikely blinding them yeah if your really that good of a shot on a moving target the only way i can see this being lethal is maybe add an adapter where you can attach a HIGH PRESSURE AIR (HPA) tank the strongest one out there use a riot ball and aim for the eye 👀 the adams apple or sternum maybe temple that would maybe make it lethal and if it doesn't i would say maybe a long term injury at very least 🤔🤔