It's just amazes me that no one talks about the fact PSA will hold your cards hostage and extort you for more money to get them back if that's what they CHOOSE to do...
I agree.. what if you don't want to pay that extortion fee? Are you just assed out of your cards? Terrible.. that's the ONLY reason I don't send to psa
@@jbortega1178 upcharge is for insurance in case anything happens to your card. If a card gets damaged by the company PSA will pay well compared to the value of the card. CSG and SGC will give you a floppy taco to replace a damaged card
If you buy and sell cards , you know time is money. That’s why SGC is king. Too much risk waiting for months with psa , you recently did a psa return video and a lot of the cards went down in value when you got them back. Some modern cards I like sending to psa but mostly use SGC . Gotta know what cards to send where
I've been scooping up SGC 10s of the cards I want for half the price of a PSA 10. It so much more affordable and I plan to crack a few and send them off as an experiment. I'm also surprised by how much I've grown to like the SGC holder. A lot of value to be found with SGC! Great video Scott.
I didn't know that. I did the research on Saturday, recorded this video on Sunday, edited the video Monday after work, and posted it this morning. That is just a coincidence is all. Great minds think alike!
I have a baseball hall of fame graded rookie collection and last month I wanted to buy the 1965 catfish hunter rookie card in a 6. A Psa 6 was listed for 120 dollars. And as a Psa collector I prefer that. But I found a bvg for 60 dollars. Bvg is Beckett slabs for anything under 1980. As someone who just collects I bought the 60 dollar cheaper option. Beckett and Psa have the same grading standard so to me a 6 is a 6. And In just collecting I think it’s important to get the best value
I know people always say to use whoever you want if it’s for your PC, but I still use SGC for vintage and PSA for everything else bc I want my collection to be worth as much as possible when I die and leave my collection to my kids.
@@arynnelson371 they are already are starting to. Another 2 years and I believe the big 3 will all be about even. Maybe even throwing CSG in there for a big 4. The new generation of collectors/investors aren't as bias to psa as the older ones are
Great video. I, personally, have never used either and would agree with you that it depends on the card. I like how you analyzed the numbers, weighing the pros and cons. This video was very helpful. Thanks!
I don't understand why, by now, SGC doesn't have more of a resale value. They should. The grade tough. They have been around a long time. Their quality cases. All good stuff. Fine, don't be neck and neck with PSA (which I wouldn't mind), but they should be right there, just a hair below, a lot closer than they are. On a side note, I have a $30 PSA 90-120 day order that is at 60 days and about to ship back. They seem to be getting much quicker. I believe they opened their Jersey office to grade now, so that should help as well.
@@richardbianco9674 the only way someone would pay the same on a modern card w/ PSA 10 & SGC 10 is if they just got into the hobby & had zero understanding of the market. You can list it for twice as much as PSA, doesn’t mean it will sell.
I 100% agree SGC is now obsolete, July special cards are already in grading. The backlog is 95% cleared I’ve gotten everything back. $50 is back in a month worth 2x SGC. I’ll let the casual collectors use SGC and enjoy it if that’s what makes them happy. But PSA is the far superior company and product. I still find Beckett outsells SGC by a wide margin and I even received a BGS order back in 3 weeks.
@@richardbianco9674 lol you can price them at whatever you want, actually making sales is another thing. I can sell a whole display case full of PSA slabs in half the time it would take to sell 5 SGC slabs. They are not liquid at all, just go and look at the eBay auctions they end at 40% of PSA.
SGC is only lacking the resale market, but making headway. the fact I can get a regular sub back in 5 days, that's huge if you want a quick turnaround. I was able to sell a couple JRod slabs during the HR derby for huge $ that I would be waiting still for PSA. I've sent and recieved 5 SGC orders in the time that PSA order (1 order w/ 3 cards) has been in 'grading' phase...
Glad people are making videos about this. Turnaround times and actual, honest grades are why I send most cards to SGC. Sending to PSA is literal gambling. 90% of the time I can predict my SGC grades, whereas PSA I might get a 10, or I may get a 7, for absolutely no reason. Also, it took 3+ months to get my $50 PSA orders back, and every non 10 I lost money on. You don’t lose money on SGC 9.5s
Scottie, would be curious to see how SGC slab value has changed over the last 12 months relative to PSA and BGS. So another consideration about which grader to submit to is growth trends - seems like a SGC 10 today is worth a lot more than an SGC 10 of the same card a year ago
Matt, alot of folks are telling me that SGC value is on the rise and it's getting closer to PSA. I have been searching the internet forums of what people thought about the 2 grading company. I'm now leaning more to SGC. Currently have 26 cards on the site ready to ship out. Need to get up to 50 cards to bring the cost down to $18 per card.
Love love love this! I didn’t realize the quick turnaround times with sgc. That could be a game changer for me. Took 15 months to get a psa sub back and I realized if I could have sent sgc and got them back in, say, 3-6 months the value would have been less than psa but I would’ve had them in hand and made a lot more $. Actually ended up holding most of what I sent, it was mostly Kobe and I think his cards are due for a comeback
One factor to consider for many high end cards is that psa conducts pop control. A card will get a 9 or 8 at psa while it can earn the 10 or 9 it deserves at sgc. As sgc grades each card objectively in isolation without self-interest. This will affect selling price differences as well.
Great video, the comparison we've been waiting for! Also what are you doing with the pristine Judge? If it's weighing on you I could be interested in helping you out.
I know exactly what you're talking about the week Topps series 1 came out I bought & opened a case and pulled 22 base & insert Wander's, all but 2 that were off centered looked good so I sent them all to SGC. A couple of weeks later I got back 9-10's,11-9.5's, & 2-9's. I sold them all that same week, this was all within a month of the product release. If I would have sent them to PSA I would have gotten them after all the wander hype died down and worth much much less.
100. I sent in 2 Wanders I pulled opening 2 blasters the week of release. Both came back SGC 10s. Sold both for $80 something each. If I would have sent those to PSA, I would have lost money
wow you must have opened a lot to get those pulls, I make almost 100k a year and would have a hard time buying that much product given my bills kids and retirement savings
The better question is which company grades most accurately...I know I know...its SGC by far. I've many instances of psa grade looks much worse than the same card by SGC...do your own research and you will find it true.
Cool video, but realistically you won't sell 10 orders of SGC that fast. SGC grades faster than any company, but the time it takes to sell them should also take account. When I sell PSA, I don't have to really do anything. People come to my table, want the card, and then it's sold. When it comes to SGC (only speaking about modern), I feel like a car salesman where I have to explain why it's a good slab. I still get multiple people every show asking if SGC is a new company. I still grade a few cards with SGC, but very limited. I submitted 300 cards to psa where they took 18 months to grade, but I sold them all. I have SGC slabs from the time I sent to PSA and i still have them.
I just got into sending cards in and for PSA being the top dog their customer service is appalling, you cannot realistically communicate with them unless you have time to sit at home all day
Could also do the same thing timing wise with PSA - you would have a lag between first order arrival and sale, but if you submit more orders before you receive the first one back - you make the exponential profit from PSA vs SGC and can do the same amount of volume as you are stating from SGC once the first order comes back. You are getting roughly 2.5x your profit using PSA, which is certainly worth it. If you have to money to flip through psa and be consistently sending orders while you wait - once they start coming in it will be a much more profitable business model. I do like this video though, thought provoking for sure. Thanks!
your initial upfront costs would be way more if you aren't waiting for cards to come back to recoup that money first. So yes possibly in the long run, you could make exponentially more. The big flaw in that theory is the cards themselves and many examples of this exact thing happening. Card gets sent off when psa 10s are selling for lets say 1000, 4 months later that same PSA 10 is now selling for 400. So the gamble waiting has cost you money, not made you money.
@@richardbianco9674 Yea for sure there are other risks involved when waiting that long! It's not a perfect equation and the market could always change (up or down) for particular cards. If we keep the sample size large enough though, sending to psa continuously and having submissions constantly coming back would pay off way more in the long run with those average margins. You do need more money/inventory upfront - but once you start making the first sales for that extra exponential value and have more graded cards coming in shortly after, you catch up to the SGC model pretty quickly and eventually leave it far behind.
@@G23sports 2 years ago I would of wholeheartedly agreed. Not anymore. Sgc has gotten steadily closer and closer in price to psa. With 10s from both bgs and sgc matching or passing psa 10s. The card market now knows psa 10s fall somewhere between the other 2's 9.5 and 10 grades. Where the card itself also influences more. We've all seen psa 10s that wouldn't of gotten 8 or 9 anywhere else. Sure they've tightened the grading up in the last few years but even then I've seen some terrible looking 10s. And those do have price reflect that.
@@richardbianco9674 then why the very drastic profit difference in this example? The vast majority of psa 10s outsell the competition. That’s just how it is unfortunately. I actually agree that the other grading companies are better and have more consistent and accurate grades. However the market is still clearly paying the large premium for psa slabs. I send my PC Cards to sgc and anything I’m selling goes to psa for that exact reason. I’ve even been very profitable buying sgc and csg - cracking out if not a 10 and sending in, or sgc or csg 10 - send into psa and for crossover service and get a psa 10 and make hundreds more than what I paid. I’ve cracked sgc 9.5 and sent to psa, got 10s - and over doubled my money. I did with with a lot of Zion and Lamelo to be specific.
Hear me out, since SGC is so cheap and fast, on some cards it might be a good idea to send it to them for a quick turnover hoping you get a pristine and if not send it to PSA. Any thoughts?
This is exactly what the hobby needs to see. I like both companies, but as a collector, I need to sell certain cards to acquire others. PSAs turnaround is too long, even 120 days is generous
Hey Scott B and his viewers. I have been a Grader for SGC and I have graded 10,500 cards cards that have sold for more than $500,000 and I personally grade 250 -500 cards a month. I have a general love and respect for the hobby. Occasionally I will see 👀 people with a multitude of cards that I have graded. I have graded cards from 1882 .I do my best to get the cards out as quick as possible. I have a box of PSA returns that I received in January 21 that I haven't opened yet. Sorry just remembered and I have BBG box that I recieved 2 weeks later. I haven't graded any of my personal cards yet because of ethicalreasons.I'll probably start at 14,000.
Psa is 50$ a card for those that don’t have a yearly subscription I thought? I only use sgc, they grade way harder than bgs and Psa which to me makes them more valuable in the future once people realize this. Also don’t want my cards back in 6 months. Sent an order to bgs and they haven’t even opened my package yet, while I’ve already sent and received back 2 sgc orders.
I just submitted my first 5 cards and went with SGC. For me, it came down to turn around, and in my opinion, a MUCH better looking slab. Price was about half per card. I just can't see anything from PSA that would make them a better choice
Great breakdown of the difference in pricing. It would be interesting to see which rookie cards grade the easiest and worst of some major players. Seems like some sets grade much easier than others.
Interesting video Scott. Im curious to see transaction volume for both companies. Id assume there are way more PSA transactions than SGC transactions which would factor into my decion. Thanks for the content! Really enjoy your videos.
I’m gonna load up on Bobby’s this off-season. He’s got some serious 30/30 potential and has actual potential defensive upside. He had around a month back in July where his defense was just abysmal and he made error after error and as a rookie that can be taxing on the confidence. His cards are going to be really low this off-season but he’s got the highest potential rate of return in my opinion
Honest question: Is it worth it to have numbered cards graded when they’re low numbered like 1/1, 1/5, 1/7 and such? Or is it better to keep them un-graded especially when referring to Autos and the 1/1 since it’s the only one? Curious your thoughts cause love the videos and value your opinion
I'm not an expert, but I don't grade cards that are 1/1 or even 1/5. I have i think 6 cards that are 1/1 and none are graded. The one person out there who wants this card will want it just as much upgraded as they will graded, and they might have their grading company preference. However, if you are VERY confident it will get a 10, and you want to maximize your profit, it won't hurt to PSA slab.
Turnaround time is a major factor when flipping. I can’t imagine waiting 4 months for a card. The more collectors that choose SGC for faster turnaround, the price premium of PSA will drop over time.
I’ve sent to sgc for this reason. Problem I get is the 9.5mt+ no one knows how to value it. Nothing but lowball offer. Times I can find sgc hard to move inventory with modern cards
If you are grading to sell, you need a PSA 10 (good luck with that) and also get the card(s) back in quicker time to get it out on the market for sale. Once you get 9 or less, it's toss up with any other grader as far as pricing. But, the thing is PSA doesn't offer quick turn times for an affordable price, so why bother. Get your card back quicker and make a little less and turn cash constantly. Get off the PSA teet once and for all
SGC has made major leaps in the grading world. They are above bgs in my opinion they could fix there label on the slab a little and they could make major gains towards psa if they keep there pace up.
I do not. I actually have never spoken to anyone in management there. I realized lately how many videos I have done on them, but this is since I want to show helpful hobby tips. Lately they have just really been a good tool for collectors. Thanks for watching!
I like getting my Pokémon cards graded, if you're looking for more value as a reseller then PSA is the way to go but they are considerably more expensive, if you're looking just to get your cards graded at a cheap price than SGC is the way to go especially if you're shipping through bulk and with the new Pokémon special offer of $15 per card compared to PSA's $25 per card. So if you ask me which is better, I would probably say personally SGC but then again that’s just my opinion, if you ask me, which is better for you then I would say it’s up to you and you decide who you want to go with
@@arynnelson371 well, that's a pretty big deal! Bgs and all of the other names, other than psa, aren't even in the conversation. It's pretty crazy to think how things have turned around and just 5 years. Makes you wonder what the next 5 years will bring...??
@@guywilliams6569 it depends on what you mean by "all of the top card sales" -- if you assume the current 52 Mantle SGC 9.5 ends at #1, SGC would hold #1 and #2 -- BGS actually has 6 of the top 10, PSA has 1, and 1 is ungraded.
Im new to the hobby. Can someone please tell me how to differentiate between on card autos and stickers. I have 6 autos in my collection and looked at them very closesly and to be honest can not tell lol....what are the tell tale signs?
I’m sorry but the sgc slab looks like something my high school kid could do at school. No thanks. Psa to many of you might be trash but it’s a standard for a reason.
I find the SGC Black border too thick/wide. It takes your eye away from the card because it stands out so much. A slightly narrower black border, half again smaller. Now that to is perfect. And they need to jump on the crystal clear slabs bandwagon! That's my 2 cards worth. 😊
Seems like a no brainer to use SCG. The flippers need stuff back faster to make their money. And for those keeping the cards, the loader looks better for SCG.
just an fyi, you forgot to include that you have to pay another 100 yearly to get that $30 per card with psa. surely this doesn't matter much if you submit enough cards but something to consider. Interesting video otherwise as I have been trying to decide who to send some of my cards to. I think psa might be better for high end and sgc is better if you plan on selling the cards pretty quickly. I have some off center cards that look really good otherwise and want to grade them regardless, but I have a feeling I might get a worse grade with sgc knowing that they can be a little tough on grades with cards that are off centered or have print errors.... Might end up going with sgc just for the quicker turnaround and to have some cards slabbed without waiting around to get them back!
Funny fact, an sgc 10 will ALWAYS crossover to psa while a psa 10 WON'T the other way 🤷♂️ its simply a matter of time before sgc takes over, value wise. The collectors have been watching this trend for the last couple years. Also the biggest factor in all this is the way psa grades. They are the most inconsistent and have a real problem catering to their "top tier" clients and making the rest of us play pop control. Why would real collectors roll the dice with psa when we know sgc will be impartial and fair (mostly anyway) if I really need something in a psa slab it will be done through crossover moving forward.
SGC is the vintage grader... I don't care for them with modern cards. PSA maximizes your profits as long as you can hit a 10. PSA hands out 10s like candy. BGS was at one time the gold standard... but their management is lazy and thinks their name will just carry them forever. They are falling behind and there's an argument to be made that they are the #3 grader now behind PSA, then SGC. If they aren't careful... they might find themselves #4 behind CSG.
I like SGC better because you pay less and get card back. Using PsA you wait a really long time and the card market is always changing. You take a chance loosing money on a card you thought you would make money..because you get the psa card back it’s no longer going for a lot because it’s 6months later ☠️
I just wanted to say sorry, sorry you're a rockies fan.
Ezekial Tovar is gonna be a superstar!! they got him on the way
maybe he's a time traveling assassin from the 90s
It's just amazes me that no one talks about the fact PSA will hold your cards hostage and extort you for more money to get them back if that's what they CHOOSE to do...
I agree.. what if you don't want to pay that extortion fee? Are you just assed out of your cards? Terrible.. that's the ONLY reason I don't send to psa
@@jbortega1178 upcharge is for insurance in case anything happens to your card. If a card gets damaged by the company PSA will pay well compared to the value of the card. CSG and SGC will give you a floppy taco to replace a damaged card
@@sp123 not true they upcharged at the national, where cards were hand delivered same day that had nothing to do with insurance.
@@sp123 a floppy taco is still more reliable than PSA
@@sp123 so it's basically an extortion fee... right on
If you buy and sell cards , you know time is money. That’s why SGC is king. Too much risk waiting for months with psa , you recently did a psa return video and a lot of the cards went down in value when you got them back. Some modern cards I like sending to psa but mostly use SGC . Gotta know what cards to send where
I liked the total eclipse reference at 6:46 Great video! I've been using SGC because of the quick turnaround.
Also, SGC doesn't charge extra for auto grading either I believe. Could be wrong, but if they don't, that's a great bonus.
I've been scooping up SGC 10s of the cards I want for half the price of a PSA 10. It so much more affordable and I plan to crack a few and send them off as an experiment. I'm also surprised by how much I've grown to like the SGC holder. A lot of value to be found with SGC! Great video Scott.
Let us know what the experiment produces! Stay Blessed!
Lol half the price huh? 😂😂
@@Chill.Will503I’m questioning that 50 percent claims too lol
Never looked at this way. It would be interesting to see a similar breakdown between BGS vs SGC. Terrific breakdown!
What a great breakdown!! keep the videos coming brotha
Neo literally just did this video yesterday.
I didn't know that. I did the research on Saturday, recorded this video on Sunday, edited the video Monday after work, and posted it this morning. That is just a coincidence is all. Great minds think alike!
I have a baseball hall of fame graded rookie collection and last month I wanted to buy the 1965 catfish hunter rookie card in a 6. A Psa 6 was listed for 120 dollars. And as a Psa collector I prefer that. But I found a bvg for 60 dollars. Bvg is Beckett slabs for anything under 1980.
As someone who just collects I bought the 60 dollar cheaper option. Beckett and Psa have the same grading standard so to me a 6 is a 6. And In just collecting I think it’s important to get the best value
I know people always say to use whoever you want if it’s for your PC, but I still use SGC for vintage and PSA for everything else bc I want my collection to be worth as much as possible when I die and leave my collection to my kids.
If I were a betting man, by the time that happens, values will have caught up to PSA.
@@richardbianco9674 I’ll take that bet
@@arynnelson371 they are already are starting to. Another 2 years and I believe the big 3 will all be about even. Maybe even throwing CSG in there for a big 4. The new generation of collectors/investors aren't as bias to psa as the older ones are
@@richardbianco9674 show me some figures that they are catching up. Sgc sells for 50-75% of PSA and has for the last number of years
@@arynnelson371 he gave 2 examples in this video.
Love the numbers and informational videos like this!
Great review
Thank you for the breakdown. Great video.
Great video. I, personally, have never used either and would agree with you that it depends on the card. I like how you analyzed the numbers, weighing the pros and cons. This video was very helpful. Thanks!
I don't understand why, by now, SGC doesn't have more of a resale value. They should. The grade tough. They have been around a long time. Their quality cases. All good stuff. Fine, don't be neck and neck with PSA (which I wouldn't mind), but they should be right there, just a hair below, a lot closer than they are. On a side note, I have a $30 PSA 90-120 day order that is at 60 days and about to ship back. They seem to be getting much quicker. I believe they opened their Jersey office to grade now, so that should help as well.
I think PSA realize there are so many other grading companies opening up now that they need to get their act together. LOL
Great video! Grading with PSA your cards could drop in value over the long return time while with SGC they will relatively be worth the same
$50 per card PSA order came back in 30 days and the ROI was double SGC. Haven’t sent anything to SGC since PSA opened back up. No reason to anymore.
the only way that happens is if you let it, I price both equally.
@@richardbianco9674 the only way someone would pay the same on a modern card w/ PSA 10 & SGC 10 is if they just got into the hobby & had zero understanding of the market. You can list it for twice as much as PSA, doesn’t mean it will sell.
@@ayeitskq they sell, might be slower but they do. And what most here are doing is running auctions. Buy it now pricing is a different ballgame.
I 100% agree SGC is now obsolete, July special cards are already in grading. The backlog is 95% cleared I’ve gotten everything back. $50 is back in a month worth 2x SGC. I’ll let the casual collectors use SGC and enjoy it if that’s what makes them happy. But PSA is the far superior company and product. I still find Beckett outsells SGC by a wide margin and I even received a BGS order back in 3 weeks.
@@richardbianco9674 lol you can price them at whatever you want, actually making sales is another thing. I can sell a whole display case full of PSA slabs in half the time it would take to sell 5 SGC slabs. They are not liquid at all, just go and look at the eBay auctions they end at 40% of PSA.
Interesting Breakdown
Thanks Phil!
SGC is only lacking the resale market, but making headway. the fact I can get a regular sub back in 5 days, that's huge if you want a quick turnaround. I was able to sell a couple JRod slabs during the HR derby for huge $ that I would be waiting still for PSA. I've sent and recieved 5 SGC orders in the time that PSA order (1 order w/ 3 cards) has been in 'grading' phase...
Glad people are making videos about this. Turnaround times and actual, honest grades are why I send most cards to SGC. Sending to PSA is literal gambling. 90% of the time I can predict my SGC grades, whereas PSA I might get a 10, or I may get a 7, for absolutely no reason. Also, it took 3+ months to get my $50 PSA orders back, and every non 10 I lost money on. You don’t lose money on SGC 9.5s
Hey I watch your videos lol
I believe PSA upcharge even more if it's graded a PSA 10 depending on the value of the card
Good video; would like to see the same review for higher value vintage cards
Thank you I'm trying to decide where to send my Herbert field level prizm rc
Scottie, would be curious to see how SGC slab value has changed over the last 12 months relative to PSA and BGS.
So another consideration about which grader to submit to is growth trends - seems like a SGC 10 today is worth a lot more than an SGC 10 of the same card a year ago
Matt, alot of folks are telling me that SGC value is on the rise and it's getting closer to PSA. I have been searching the internet forums of what people thought about the 2 grading company. I'm now leaning more to SGC. Currently have 26 cards on the site ready to ship out. Need to get up to 50 cards to bring the cost down to $18 per card.
Good video summary breakdown
Where should I grade vintage cards?
Best God damn video i have seen in a very long time! Love the numbers!!
Thanks for the post, good stuff
Love love love this! I didn’t realize the quick turnaround times with sgc. That could be a game changer for me. Took 15 months to get a psa sub back and I realized if I could have sent sgc and got them back in, say, 3-6 months the value would have been less than psa but I would’ve had them in hand and made a lot more $. Actually ended up holding most of what I sent, it was mostly Kobe and I think his cards are due for a comeback
Heard SGC according to alot of people i chat with on the forums that takes around 2-4 weeks now.
One factor to consider for many high end cards is that psa conducts pop control. A card will get a 9 or 8 at psa while it can earn the 10 or 9 it deserves at sgc. As sgc grades each card objectively in isolation without self-interest. This will affect selling price differences as well.
Great video. Thanks
Great video, the comparison we've been waiting for! Also what are you doing with the pristine Judge? If it's weighing on you I could be interested in helping you out.
If you buy 10 of each of those cards raw, half of them won’t even make the cut to be submitted, once you look them over good.
Great video! You got my sub! Just started ripping packs again after twenty years
Great video...
I know exactly what you're talking about the week Topps series 1 came out I bought & opened a case and pulled 22 base & insert Wander's, all but 2 that were off centered looked good so I sent them all to SGC. A couple of weeks later I got back 9-10's,11-9.5's, & 2-9's. I sold them all that same week, this was all within a month of the product release. If I would have sent them to PSA I would have gotten them after all the wander hype died down and worth much much less.
How much you make? Bought a case, sent 60? Cards to them then sold, what was your profit? Thanks
You lost money prolly.
100. I sent in 2 Wanders I pulled opening 2 blasters the week of release. Both came back SGC 10s. Sold both for $80 something each. If I would have sent those to PSA, I would have lost money
wow you must have opened a lot to get those pulls, I make almost 100k a year and would have a hard time buying that much product given my bills kids and retirement savings
Whats your thoughts on GMA grading?
The better question is which company grades most accurately...I know I know...its SGC by far. I've many instances of psa grade looks much worse than the same card by SGC...do your own research and you will find it true.
SGC AND CSG/CGC!
Cool video, but realistically you won't sell 10 orders of SGC that fast. SGC grades faster than any company, but the time it takes to sell them should also take account. When I sell PSA, I don't have to really do anything. People come to my table, want the card, and then it's sold. When it comes to SGC (only speaking about modern), I feel like a car salesman where I have to explain why it's a good slab. I still get multiple people every show asking if SGC is a new company. I still grade a few cards with SGC, but very limited. I submitted 300 cards to psa where they took 18 months to grade, but I sold them all. I have SGC slabs from the time I sent to PSA and i still have them.
I just got into sending cards in and for PSA being the top dog their customer service is appalling, you cannot realistically communicate with them unless you have time to sit at home all day
@@twostop6895 agree, their customer service is very bad
Could also do the same thing timing wise with PSA - you would have a lag between first order arrival and sale, but if you submit more orders before you receive the first one back - you make the exponential profit from PSA vs SGC and can do the same amount of volume as you are stating from SGC once the first order comes back. You are getting roughly 2.5x your profit using PSA, which is certainly worth it. If you have to money to flip through psa and be consistently sending orders while you wait - once they start coming in it will be a much more profitable business model. I do like this video though, thought provoking for sure. Thanks!
your initial upfront costs would be way more if you aren't waiting for cards to come back to recoup that money first. So yes possibly in the long run, you could make exponentially more. The big flaw in that theory is the cards themselves and many examples of this exact thing happening. Card gets sent off when psa 10s are selling for lets say 1000, 4 months later that same PSA 10 is now selling for 400. So the gamble waiting has cost you money, not made you money.
@@richardbianco9674 Yea for sure there are other risks involved when waiting that long! It's not a perfect equation and the market could always change (up or down) for particular cards. If we keep the sample size large enough though, sending to psa continuously and having submissions constantly coming back would pay off way more in the long run with those average margins. You do need more money/inventory upfront - but once you start making the first sales for that extra exponential value and have more graded cards coming in shortly after, you catch up to the SGC model pretty quickly and eventually leave it far behind.
@@G23sports 2 years ago I would of wholeheartedly agreed. Not anymore. Sgc has gotten steadily closer and closer in price to psa. With 10s from both bgs and sgc matching or passing psa 10s. The card market now knows psa 10s fall somewhere between the other 2's 9.5 and 10 grades. Where the card itself also influences more. We've all seen psa 10s that wouldn't of gotten 8 or 9 anywhere else. Sure they've tightened the grading up in the last few years but even then I've seen some terrible looking 10s. And those do have price reflect that.
@@richardbianco9674 then why the very drastic profit difference in this example? The vast majority of psa 10s outsell the competition. That’s just how it is unfortunately. I actually agree that the other grading companies are better and have more consistent and accurate grades. However the market is still clearly paying the large premium for psa slabs. I send my PC Cards to sgc and anything I’m selling goes to psa for that exact reason. I’ve even been very profitable buying sgc and csg - cracking out if not a 10 and sending in, or sgc or csg 10 - send into psa and for crossover service and get a psa 10 and make hundreds more than what I paid. I’ve cracked sgc 9.5 and sent to psa, got 10s - and over doubled my money. I did with with a lot of Zion and Lamelo to be specific.
@@richardbianco9674 which sgc 10’s pass PSA 10’s in value? Sgc 10’s are worth a fraction of PSA 10’s. Let’s see you back this up with some numbers
Hear me out, since SGC is so cheap and fast, on some cards it might be a good idea to send it to them for a quick turnover hoping you get a pristine and if not send it to PSA. Any thoughts?
This is exactly what the hobby needs to see. I like both companies, but as a collector, I need to sell certain cards to acquire others. PSAs turnaround is too long, even 120 days is generous
Colorado Rockies fan eh? Great comparison between SGC and PSA - time can be a very important factor in this field
Hey Scott B and his viewers. I have been a Grader for SGC and I have graded 10,500 cards cards that have sold for more than $500,000 and I personally grade 250 -500 cards a month. I have a general love and respect for the hobby. Occasionally I will see 👀 people with a multitude of cards that I have graded. I have graded cards from 1882 .I do my best to get the cards out as quick as possible. I have a box of PSA returns that I received in January 21 that I haven't opened yet. Sorry just remembered and I have BBG box that I recieved 2 weeks later. I haven't graded any of my personal cards yet because of ethicalreasons.I'll probably start at 14,000.
congrats
Psa is 50$ a card for those that don’t have a yearly subscription I thought? I only use sgc, they grade way harder than bgs and Psa which to me makes them more valuable in the future once people realize this. Also don’t want my cards back in 6 months. Sent an order to bgs and they haven’t even opened my package yet, while I’ve already sent and received back 2 sgc orders.
I just submitted my first 5 cards and went with SGC. For me, it came down to turn around, and in my opinion, a MUCH better looking slab. Price was about half per card. I just can't see anything from PSA that would make them a better choice
I like the SGC look better And the turnaround time is great. I would probably grade with both depending on the card.
Great breakdown of the difference in pricing. It would be interesting to see which rookie cards grade the easiest and worst of some major players. Seems like some sets grade much easier than others.
Interesting video Scott. Im curious to see transaction volume for both companies. Id assume there are way more PSA transactions than SGC transactions which would factor into my decion. Thanks for the content! Really enjoy your videos.
I’m gonna load up on Bobby’s this off-season. He’s got some serious 30/30 potential and has actual potential defensive upside. He had around a month back in July where his defense was just abysmal and he made error after error and as a rookie that can be taxing on the confidence. His cards are going to be really low this off-season but he’s got the highest potential rate of return in my opinion
What’s your opinion on how the Judge RC looks in PGA and SGS holders? Are those PC Cards or ones to flip?
Excellent video 😎💪👊
Schiller Extensions
Honest question: Is it worth it to have numbered cards graded when they’re low numbered like 1/1, 1/5, 1/7 and such? Or is it better to keep them un-graded especially when referring to Autos and the 1/1 since it’s the only one? Curious your thoughts cause love the videos and value your opinion
I'm not an expert, but I don't grade cards that are 1/1 or even 1/5. I have i think 6 cards that are 1/1 and none are graded.
The one person out there who wants this card will want it just as much upgraded as they will graded, and they might have their grading company preference. However, if you are VERY confident it will get a 10, and you want to maximize your profit, it won't hurt to PSA slab.
Turnaround time is a major factor when flipping. I can’t imagine waiting 4 months for a card. The more collectors that choose SGC for faster turnaround, the price premium of PSA will drop over time.
I’ve sent to sgc for this reason. Problem I get is the 9.5mt+ no one knows how to value it. Nothing but lowball offer. Times I can find sgc hard to move inventory with modern cards
Off topic: Do you know of any companies that do hands on teaching for grading cards. Or I guess “pre screening” teaching? Thank you!
If you are grading to sell, you need a PSA 10 (good luck with that) and also get the card(s) back in quicker time to get it out on the market for sale. Once you get 9 or less, it's toss up with any other grader as far as pricing. But, the thing is PSA doesn't offer quick turn times for an affordable price, so why bother. Get your card back quicker and make a little less and turn cash constantly. Get off the PSA teet once and for all
SGC has made major leaps in the grading world. They are above bgs in my opinion they could fix there label on the slab a little and they could make major gains towards psa if they keep there pace up.
I agree I don't like their labels a ton but the slabs still look good
@@phenomta4236 I like them
Tux slab looks like crap imo.
Do you have a sponsor/partnership deal with SGC?
I do not. I actually have never spoken to anyone in management there. I realized lately how many videos I have done on them, but this is since I want to show helpful hobby tips. Lately they have just really been a good tool for collectors. Thanks for watching!
I like getting my Pokémon cards graded, if you're looking for more value as a reseller then PSA is the way to go but they are considerably more expensive, if you're looking just to get your cards graded at a cheap price than SGC is the way to go especially if you're shipping through bulk and with the new Pokémon special offer of $15 per card compared to PSA's $25 per card.
So if you ask me which is better, I would probably say personally SGC but then again that’s just my opinion, if you ask me, which is better for you then I would say it’s up to you and you decide who you want to go with
Aren't all of the top card sales in the world SGC cards right now?
Right now sure
@@arynnelson371 well, that's a pretty big deal! Bgs and all of the other names, other than psa, aren't even in the conversation. It's pretty crazy to think how things have turned around and just 5 years. Makes you wonder what the next 5 years will bring...??
@@guywilliams6569 it depends on what you mean by "all of the top card sales" -- if you assume the current 52 Mantle SGC 9.5 ends at #1, SGC would hold #1 and #2 -- BGS actually has 6 of the top 10, PSA has 1, and 1 is ungraded.
@@AIReelRhythms not to mention the records have been held by a SGC Wagner several times over the last several years
@@guywilliams6569 if the best cards in PSA slabs sold they would beat all sgc cards by a large margin
Im new to the hobby. Can someone please tell me how to differentiate between on card autos and stickers. I have 6 autos in my collection and looked at them very closesly and to be honest can not tell lol....what are the tell tale signs?
Ardella Crest
I’m sorry but the sgc slab looks like something my high school kid could do at school. No thanks. Psa to many of you might be trash but it’s a standard for a reason.
your fave team is the Bull durham Bulls
Yes SGC can make you money….just small amounts! Lol
I find the SGC Black border too thick/wide. It takes your eye away from the card because it stands out so much. A slightly narrower black border, half again smaller. Now that to is perfect. And they need to jump on the crystal clear slabs bandwagon! That's my 2 cards worth. 😊
Why do people never include the mandatory return shipping cost with grading? I paid $45 for submitting an SGC because 15 was return shipping.
well that should in theory be about equal as well
That return insurance is a scam. I have been waiting on eBay insurance claim to make a decision for 4 months now.
Personally who looks better than SGC tuxedos?
Orlando Ridges
McDermott Haven
If I'm grading myself, I'll send to SGC, if I'm buying graded already I'll go with PSA
I use SGC about 90% of the time
Oberbrunner Crest
Sterling Expressway
Mallory Burgs
And you spent $20 to ship the cards to PSA/SGC, and $40 in return shipping/insurance. Subtracting $60 off the top from both.
I heard psa taking 30 days or less now ; i asked some TH-camr card investor
I prefer SGC. Things just tend to look better in a tux.
Selmer Roads
Stanton Crossing
Colorado Rockies is your favorite baseball team scottie
Verda Trail
Like PSA, love SGC! If both cards are a ten, ama role with SGC 👍 better prices most time! Your a Red Sox fan !!! You love that dirty water
Seems like a no brainer to use SCG. The flippers need stuff back faster to make their money. And for those keeping the cards, the loader looks better for SCG.
just an fyi, you forgot to include that you have to pay another 100 yearly to get that $30 per card with psa. surely this doesn't matter much if you submit enough cards but something to consider. Interesting video otherwise as I have been trying to decide who to send some of my cards to. I think psa might be better for high end and sgc is better if you plan on selling the cards pretty quickly. I have some off center cards that look really good otherwise and want to grade them regardless, but I have a feeling I might get a worse grade with sgc knowing that they can be a little tough on grades with cards that are off centered or have print errors.... Might end up going with sgc just for the quicker turnaround and to have some cards slabbed without waiting around to get them back!
Stanton Shore
Legit don’t understand how SGC is so fast 😱👏🏻
No backlog at all
Because they are grading 18x less cards than PSA monthly lol.
the fighting mookies! that's your favorite team.
Haha I love it!
Funny fact, an sgc 10 will ALWAYS crossover to psa while a psa 10 WON'T the other way 🤷♂️ its simply a matter of time before sgc takes over, value wise. The collectors have been watching this trend for the last couple years. Also the biggest factor in all this is the way psa grades. They are the most inconsistent and have a real problem catering to their "top tier" clients and making the rest of us play pop control. Why would real collectors roll the dice with psa when we know sgc will be impartial and fair (mostly anyway) if I really need something in a psa slab it will be done through crossover moving forward.
SGC is the vintage grader... I don't care for them with modern cards. PSA maximizes your profits as long as you can hit a 10. PSA hands out 10s like candy. BGS was at one time the gold standard... but their management is lazy and thinks their name will just carry them forever. They are falling behind and there's an argument to be made that they are the #3 grader now behind PSA, then SGC. If they aren't careful... they might find themselves #4 behind CSG.
They don't hand out 10's like candy.......they're the KING of pop control
why do people want it both ways? They say SGC is the go to for vintage yet not modern. wtf? a card is a card i mean Jesus H Christ
@@rockcundiff1761 SGC is vintage... not modern. And... PSA has an absolute ABSURD amount of 10s in their pop reports.
Grade at your own risk with any company Collector or investor !
Strosin Island
Devante Neck
SGC > everyone. Major SGC fan & best looking slab
I like SGC better because you pay less and get card back. Using PsA you wait a really long time and the card market is always changing. You take a chance loosing money on a card you thought you would make money..because you get the psa card back it’s no longer going for a lot because it’s 6months later ☠️
I'm guessing the Colorado Rockies ..
Alda Ways
To assume you would keep getting such amazing grades though, that's kind of nonsense.
Lol Ge Literally said that.😂😂
@@LambeauLeeeper yeah, that's what happens when you don't delete the comment that you made more in the beginning of the video.