The incident on Sorna is clealy the Spinosaurus, and I don't think that the Raptor tribe of the third movie was artificialy created. In fact, the Amalgam Testing is most probably only the movement's name of Wu's conspiration, him with his loyal scientifics supporter (including Vic Hoskin and later Eli Mills). Because all his work since the 1997 movie as the franchise's lore clearly tells us is to create biological weapons. This starts with applying normal animal DNA to dinosaurs and other special genes such as speeding up or modifying creature temperaments, as a first step. To then be mainly the creation of hybrid dinosaurs between extinct species directly with as a bonus if possible the DNA of normal animals and special genes. In addition, it is very unlikely that there was any extinction, even a slight destabilization of the ecosystem, on Sorna. The reasons are very numerous, but the fact that the illegally cloned dinosaurs (Cotythosaurus, Anky, Cerato) behave normally is an element to be taken into consideration in this perspective (the Corythosaur mixes even with the Parasaurs, the Certo is not bloodthirsty). And at worst, even though the Spino is a war machine with no ulterior motives, I don't think a single specimen screwed up the nature of the island on its own. Personally, I would personally be more interesting to be interested in knowing why Doctor Wu, initially a promising student in the first film, embarked on such a project for such puerile ends for a person who considers himself a great scientist. . What are his interests, his plans, his motivations, it is not for money, nor to bring anything to the war, only stupidly in the name of science and to know where is what can go? This is indeed an important element that the franchise has never bothered to answer, even to pass over the window by the fan community, and yet really deserves more answer than the Amalgam Testing subject itself!
I remember watching this as a kid, and watching the Spino walk out of forest and stare at everyone, was likely the most thrilling movie scene I've ever seen. The nostalgia is real
@@ghaniKSW2 naw a dinosaur would not act like a wild animal were use to in my opinion. It’s not gonna state because it ain’t scared of us Tiny people loll
As much as I hate the rushed production of JP3 (because it could've been so much better, if only they had more time) it really has something positive going for it: it probably created the most amount of cryptic information in the entire jurassic franchise, that's really fun to learn about.
There’s a short scene idea I have for the In-Gen compound, you know the moment when Billy kicks open the vending machine? Well, after that moment would play out, Grant would look at the sell date on the candy wrapper, which would read: 6/12/01. I don’t like JP3, but if they changed the island to Site C, (or Isla Muerta as some call it), and further hinted at the meddling In-Gen had done, I might consider it a sequel on-par with The Lost World.
It was originally supposed to be a Carnotaurus until they heard that Disney was putting them into their movie, so they changed it so people wouldnt think they were copying them
Well I only watched the first Jurassic world movie once (never again) I will assume since that movie was so weak and camp it wouldn't surprise me if they made friends with the t rex, made it their pet and rode on its back. How on earth it went from terrfying suspense with the raptors and t rex in the original Jurassic park too Jurassic world's embarrassing pet raptors named blue ect and a t rex at the end that just might as well give a bro fist to everybody I will never know. Modern day films.. 99% just poor remakes and sequels to classic older movies or just plain boring superhero mash ups. I bet the superhero wins in the end. 😴
@@Facelessman254 I mean I like the first movie and I’m not fond on the 2nd and 3rd too much..Jurassic world movies are ok not too high on them either..but I agree with the whole raptors idea of them being trained etc kind of dumb IMO
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He even shows a video of Wheatley's death Wheatley is clearly representing viewers and the indoraptor is clearly Raid garbage Legends It just makes sense
To be really honest the JW animated show really did throw away all the theories about Spino being a hybrid As Doctor Wu admitted the first hybrid wasnt The Spino
This is why the premise of Fallen Kingdom falls apart. I get that for where Dominion is going, they want Dinosaurs on the Mainland. But JPIII only proves that they cloned them regardless of whether it was legal or illegal, within film universe lore. So characters moaning that, "these are the last dinos" and to, "save the dinos", has no stakes. Has no drama because subconsciously, we know they've can always clone them again.
The true premise of fallen kingdom is to not have dinosaurs and their clonable dna falling en masse into the wrong hands, the "save the dinos" was a public facade for the media and the naive good guys and that was quickly dropped soon after they arrived on the island. As for IRL audience, i think it was pretty obvious from the trailers what was really going instead of just "save the dinos cuz they're last"
I think all jp3 new creatures are part of this "amalgam testing" including the raptors and pteranodons, and of course the corythosaurus, ankylosaurus, ceratosaurus and the spinosaur itself.
But when Alan remembers the raptor in his dream before they land it looks like they do in the movie. So I think they were just obviously trying to update their look for a newer audience and act like they’ve always looked like that. Or maybe at least that all the raptors previously seen were female
If the raptor designs weren't a retcon, and if JP3 gave us the subplot of the "amalgam testing" or put more emphasis then I think JP3 might have been looked upon more favorably by fans
There are so many stories that could be told once Dominion is out. A Doctor Wu focused story could have a lot of drama, action and suspense, especially when it comes to JP3 lore
@@AllosaurusJP3 Indeed and for some reason I am 95% sure that BioSyn will be revealed as the true masterminds behind the Indominus Rex, and they secretly funded Eli Mills' auction plans and that Ken Wheatley collected dinosaur teeth so in case the plan goes wrong, Wheatley could give them the teeth and use the teeth to BioSyn to clone Dinosaurs. Also perhaps the Spinosaurus was the prototype version of the Indominus Rex which Dodgson wanted to destroy Jurassic World.
If for no other reason than to repair the atrocity that is JP3. They could have a battle between the original Rexy and Gigonatasaurus. Have Spino ambush Rexy during the fight, then Rexy could decapitate her in a single bite in a scene lasting about 2.5 seconds. To return a little realism to the franchise.
I always imagined that the amalgam was them all living together in an independent ecosystem and allowed to develop naturally for asset collection. This is a great video with a lot of new info I didn’t know.
here’s what i think the amalgam testing was: Henry Wu wanted to make dinosaurs without having to have their DNA at all, as well as trying to recreate feathers. They didn’t have DNA or Ceratosaurs and Spinosaurus, so for both he used Carnotarus for Ceratosaurs, and Baryonyx for Spinosaurus. This is why the Ceratosaurs is larger than it actually was in real life, and why the Spinosaurus looks different and is stronger than it’s real life counterpart. As for the Raptors and aggressive/different looking Pteranodons, they were created while trying to recreate feathers. The raptors resulted in quills and heightened intelligence, and the Pteranodons resulted in aggression and teeth. This could be why these particular Pteranodons were caged and not free like the ones seen in The Lost World. Wu could’ve either cloned these animals for the new, future park, or to see what he was capable of, or what was possible.
@@DarthPyrusTheVirus all dinosaurs have something added to their code, in my case with the Spino and Ceratosaurs, Wu was replicating real dinosaurs, with hybrids, he created things that never existed
With all respect man, I think your emphasis on “9 months” being such a long experiment period seems backwards … 9 months is an incredibly short time for biological experiments as complex as “mixing” dinosaurs like the amalgam name suggests. If anything, 9 months suggests that it wasn’t working and they gave up before wasting further time, staff, and resources on the concept.
I work with living raptors and everything you said is on point. I mean in my tests for correlation between intelligence and beak density, I'm almost five years in and my error bars have not gone down by much.
Information on the Amalgam testing, the Spinosaurus' incubation container, the gene splicing and the Mosasaurus tank, if those had been included in the final version of the film, JP III could have been more successful, even more so than it's predecessor, The Lost World, in my opinion
The raptors in Jurassic world are known to have different strains of animals, I think echo, top of my head, has more snake DNA in her. Is it possible they were merely testing and splicing for the “Indo” projects? As well more efficient immune systems for the dinosaurs. Think about it. Sorna was essentially a perfect place to observe the subjects as they were in a mixed living eco system. Whereas in Jurassic Park, most were contained to their own species. Yes their was a couple of Herbivore groups. But they were not exposed to carnivores etc And some were still not fully complete in the DNA structures. As someone who has studied animal bio sciences. It seems this was the PERFECT opportunity to observe and test things. In regards to the Spino being so young etc The timing and everything. Again, this was an opportunity to perhaps release and observe how it could change the ecosystem. And perhaps serve a base template for the I Rex. I can hear you say “Dude! I Rex. It was a T Rex base construct ” blah blah But look an the uncanny base structure of it. Perhaps they originally wanted to use the Spino as it’s main structure…? They had mastered the T Rex and wanted something different.
Probably the quilled Velociraptors? Something that didn't explicitly go right, but didn't go too wrong either. Especially since he used that for later projects with the Scorpius Rex, Indominous Rex and Indoraptor.
We don't know it wasn't the Spino. An accident just implies the Spino wasn't outright designed as a hybrid the way Indominus was. Whatever gene-splicing they did to create it obviously went badly wrong and it turned out to be a monster
@@biscuitcase83 We do know. The person who wrote it, Jack Ewins, confirmed the Spinosaurus was not the accident. He also said the Spinosaurus was not a hybrid, so whatever they did to it, it was just more severe than the standard InGen creation process, but nothing extra with DNA.
It still leaves room for the scorpius beign the first "intentional" hybrid and/or for the spino to be a transitioning research stage where it dosen't have other dinosaurs in it yet, but where modern day animal DNA wasn't merely used as bare necessity to fill the gaps but to intentionally enanche the animal, kinda like what we do in the JW evolution games.
@@Dour888 I think it implies that the gene-splicing experiments weren't intended to create hybrids as such, but simply to "perfect" the cloning techniques. Perhaps they used the DNA of other dinosaurs to fill in the gaps and ended up with a lot more than they bargained for. Then years later, Wu resurrects the idea of using the DNA of other dinosaurs to deliberately create a true hybrid
I think learning about the amalgam testing would be perfect for Camp Cretaceous. They've spent a lot of time talking about hybrids, so it would be the logical next step. Especially if they can then feed the revelations back into what's happening in Dominion.
Honestly since JP3 seems to be a combination of unused material from the JP and LW books, the amalgam project could have been a reference to the mutant dinosaurs in the LW book but likely had to do with the splicing of various animal genes into the broken existing dinosaur DNA, it’s already known they used incorrect assumptions about dinosaurs to fill in the gaps in the damaged genetic code they extracted from amber, resulting in the gender changing phenomenon from the frog DNA in JP, it’s likely that Henry Wu knowing this was experimenting with spilling other types of animal DNA in order to make more “accurate” dinosaurs based on new scientific evidence or more likely more “marketable” dinosaurs for Jurassic world, as evidenced by the mosasaur in JW being far larger than its real world counterpart, likely being spliced with whale DNA for a more impressive size making it a better attraction. Honestly after the I-Raptor, I think a potential direction the franchise may go is that Henry may just drop the pretense of making “dinosaurs” and might start crafting his own organisms from scratch to fulfill the military market for the creatures, possibly even using the excuse of needing to create controllable super predators to take out the escaped dinosaurs from the end of JW2
Billy from Jurassic Park III: That was on Isla Nublar, This is Isla Sorna. Amanda: This is how you make dinosaurs Alan Grant: No, This is how you play God Great and Interesting Question of something mysterious in Jurassic Park III and great points. As always, Take It Easy and Life Finds A Way.
Amalgam testing is reminiscent of the "Chaos Effect" toy line that came after the main Lost World line. With most of the dino part of the line being combinations of dinos.
In theory Scorpius Rex could have still been the first (per Camp Cretaceous), but I think it would be great having the Chaos Effect hybrids possibly being on the island. Maybe they had a shorter lifespan than most and didn't survive thru the tests.
I took the gene splicing to mean that the dinosaurs were spliced with different animal dna than in Jurassic Park 1. In Jurassic World, Wu mentions that the Indominus Rex has some of its missing sequences filled with snakes and cuddle fish, instead of just frogs. Maybe the Jurassic Park 3 dinosaurs have snake dna amalgamated.
Got em like the Spino got Cooper. Fun theory i recently heard from Shadows (litteral channel name) was there was an actual family of spinos and he killed the baby one resulting in the parent(s) going after them the whole movie. Honestly though on the verbage you used for your annoyance not cool but can understand the annoyance of him making two minutes of the video about Raid. 👀 Honestly would expect that for like a twenty minute video 💀 Godbless
The Pteranodons have the wingspan of a Quetzalcoatlus and teeth The Ceratosaurus is very large and has a very Tyrannosaurus-like skull and was actually based on a T rex model The Velociraptors are hyper intelligent and have quills like the Indominus rex, and the males have a stripe like Blue or Delta The Spinosaurus behaves like the Indominus rex more so than the other dinosaurs and is proportioned more like Baryonyx or Suchomimus Nodding to these previous design choices in the world series and retroactively claiming them to be part of planning for Jurassic World and hybrid testing is pretty smart
honestly this is what i would use as the explanation. the tests would be twofold. first, to verify to the new owners that the JP cloning process does still work. and to demonstrate that the genesplicing techniques used to produce the dino's (mixing recovered DNA with that of modern animals to fill in gaps) could also be applied to DNA from other dino's to produce hybrid creatures with traits not found in the originals. they cloned them, incubated batchs of various species, and the animals that survived to hatching were kept and studied for 9 months to verify that the mixed genetics didn't have major developmental flaws. after 9 months the animals grew too large (or in the case of the raptors, too aggressive) to be contained and were thus allowed to escape into the ecosystem of Sorna.
Ah so someone also have Mutual Thoughts. I strongly agree because most or all of these Dinosaurs from InGen do have Frog DNA and other aspects to look a bit more different.
Jurassic Park 3 needs to be investigated more,as there so much to investigate,and hopefully the make a Tv seris or a movie about the behind the scenes during 2000 when Dr.Wu went to Isle Sorna
He went to Sorna: an island full of predators and filled with every sort of dangers. In only 9 months in this situation he with only few scientists created new dinosaurs in a devastated lab, full with insects, plants and probably snakes. Chapeau
I remember reading somewhere that the raptors were evolving like that. I believe. they explainedit as they been there for so long that they were starting to revert to a more pure genome that's why the quills were present and why their eyes had circular pupils
Bit late to the party but my theory based off of this information, and going off what was said in Fallen Kingdom, is that the testing was probably two fold. The first was of course genetic in nature, but I would guess that the second part was phycological. In Fallen Kingdom they are trying to get the Indo-Raptor to exhibit certain traits so clearly controlling how the animals behaved has been something InGen would have been working on for a long time. After all you don't want a hyper aggressive animal in a park setting (which they do anyway). So to me it stands to reason that the first stage of testing was a genetic amalgamation with the second part, the nine months mentioned, was probably phycological. Just my 2 cents
I like to think I afford some respect to each film in the original trilogy. I believe the first movie to be the best made, overall. The Lost World is my own personal favorite and one I see as being the most quotable, whether it's Roland's rant in the car or Malcolm saying "You know I beg people to listen to me. I use plain, simple English. I don't have any accent that I'm aware of", among others, that film has the best lines for me, personally. With the third, I see it as holding the greatest mystery, that being the amalgam testing. Always good to see videos exploring this. Great video, Klayton.
I like to think that the Spinosaurus had a bit of monitor lizard DNA spliced into it since monitor lizards such as the Komodo Dragon have specialized scales with bone inside them that help them take blows in fights. Maybe that’s why the Spino didn’t get any long term or serious injuries from the Tyrannosaurus. Great video Klayton.
I think the “illegally” cloned dinosaurs (corythosaurus, ceratosaurus, ankylosaurus, and spinosaurus) were bred during the construction of Jurassic park and I think the velociraptors were the ones experimented. Or they were born with quills as a genetic mutation
This is my first ever video I’ve watched from you and I already had to skip four minutes just to get passed the intro and sponsor. Not complaining or hating, just letting you know it doesn’t look good. However I do like the fact that you touch upon a rarely discussed topic and you’re very concise about it.
Everyone please take a moment to tell thank you to Mr. Fioriti for his continued dedication to keeping us up to date with this info. It really hurts me you aren't at 500k. Thank you sir for your work.
isn't it coming out june next year? so i wouldn't be surprised if it's this december, at least for a teaser trailer, but that's probably at the earliest i can think of
Might not get any attention but damn it I had an interesting thought! So amalgam is a mixture but in technicality and in lore, these dinos are not actual hybrids. So here is my proposal. The amalgam testing is an experiment that would of allowed Dino dna that there would be less of, and mixing that with the abundant Dino dna that is similar to allow more dinosaurs to be made, but instead of filling it in with frog dna, it’s other Dino dna. So the spino might of had a little bit of its DNA found but it’s too small that this experiment would of used other similar creatures dna to fill in the gaps. Essentially making it possible to make more dinosaurs without needing this method with the amber.
BILLY Obviously a superpredator. Suchimimus. that snout. GRANT They never got that big. BILLY Baryonyx? GRANT Not with that sail. Spinosaurus Aegypticus. From the beginnging on it was unclear what it actually is. A Suchimimus, a Baryonyx or a Spino? All of them perhaps?
@@DerFinder I think Billy was just in the University mainly for the girls and being Grant's student was just for popularity boost as Alan Grant is one of the best in the field of paleontology.
This explains so much of the Spino's behavior in JPIII- namely, the reason why he was so hell-bent on hunting the humans down (despite them not presenting much of a threat or meal-potential). The Spino was probably badly mistreated due to the secrecy and desperation of the illegal projects (with a lack of knowledgeable personnel and funding probably making its care more focused on sheer results rather than the creature's comfort and needs, such as ample anesthetics during exams/surgeries). So when the humans landed on the island in JPII, closer to the T. Rex couple's territory; the Spino probably didn't find them to be much of a threat and ignored them. But when a massive, noisy plane landed right in his territory... he probably thought the nightmare was about to start all over again.
The spinosaurus would be considered hybrid by many because we know 2021 that spinosaurus was mainly a fish eater and also was very aquatic. It would also walk mostly on all fours and had a tail suited to helping him swim in the water
Maybe Wu tried to blend different species of animals with the dinosaur gene, but it seems that the test was a failure, for the feather part I can see that being Wu’s failure, attempting to replicate dinosaur feather growth from the past. Wu most likely carried tons even more projects he has in mind over to Jurassic World and beyond.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there some new way that they extract DNA/genetic material for use in the cloning process in Jurassic World? Perhaps the Amalgam Testing wasn't the combination of different dinosaurs genes into one creature, but was instead the amalgamation of different methods of creation. Maybe that's what the dinosaur foetus' were, an amalgamation of different methods of creation, in order to produce a single outcome. Also, "something perfect for Jurassic Park's second iteration" is NOT presumably anything to do with higher ticket sales (especially given that the park hasn't open yet). It may have been that they were working on something that would help set the park up, such as how to produce and then stabilise an accelerated growth rate in newly created creatures or some other production related ideas. And finally it should also be noted that this information comes from the Dinosaur Protection Group, so "experiment" may not even be anything more then simply developing, creating and raising the creature in a manor that's similar to the way it was/would be done in a fully operational park. Although this might be expecting to much from the people writing for the secondary/background material.
My top ten favorite dinosaurs 1t rex(look at my name and profile picture) 2spinosaurus(lol i bet u thought i hated it but i like it but i like t rex more tho) 3velociraptor(beacuse blue) 4triceratops(very iconic) 5giganotosaurus(im sad that he killed t rex but still cool dinosaur) 6carnotaurus(very underrated) 7allosaurus(too iconic to be not on this) 8troodon(honestly pretty underrated) 9brachiosaurus(very inconic) 10 parasolophus(kinda iconic) Sidenote:Giganotosaurus and Charcharodontosaurus are very simular so Charcharodontosaurus whould be also 5 so their tied
I remember watching Jurassic Park III when i was three because i was a dinosaur kid but it is still my favorite movie to this day. The different raptors were really cool too and the spino has always been my favorite dinosaur and still is. I read i think it was called The Evolution of Claire and it’s a story about Claire from Jurassic World but she is interning at the wip Jurassic World in her late teens-early 20’s. It’s a great book, i liked it. One thing in that book that they did was they were bringing over dinosaurs from site B over to Nublar for Jurassic World-one of these dinosaurs they brought over was a raptor. If you read the book, to me it sounds like it was a tiger striped raptor they brought over due to it’s aggression but that’s what i thought when i read the book. I recommend reading the book tho, i had a hard time putting it down lol.
It would be really cool if the kids do crash on Sorna, and they end up uncovering the mystery of those experiments. Perhaps they might find out that Wu had continued testing on Sorna without InGen... maybe with a rival.
I hope to one day see the spino back in a movie, though not in Dominion, that movie will already be stuffed to the gills as is. Especially since the gigantosaurus is gonna be that movie's big bad dino. Maybe a spinoff movie from the main series would be a better way to bring it back in a movie format, just my two cents about one of my favorite dinos from the series and how I think it would be worked best back into the movie series
I like the idea of the spiney as a hybrid. It fits well with its disparity of the movie spiney with the modern scientifically accurate spiney. It is an elegant solution.
@@bullymaguire9987 It's kind of funny how Klayton created a channel out of literally nothing. Like "some director said something for five seconds let me pad this out for as painfully long as I possibly can for that ad revenue"
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I think that the reason behind the creation of the Spino and raptors was as simple as make them weapons, the raptors of the 3 were more intelligents than the raptors seen in JP1 and The Lost World, the Spinosaurus was also a terminatorsaurus chasing one objetive and trying its hard to kill it, this objetive being alan and the kirby family, idk why they left, but we know that part of the genoma seen on the JW Raptors are extracted from the JP3 Raptors so... perhaps they partially succeeded.
"What kind of experimenting was being done to these animals as part of their 'Amalgam Testing'?" If we're going to assume the worst and most morally dubious of possibilities, I'm going to guess that we're not talking about the equivalent of putting makeup on rabbits and guinea pigs. Although, background on Fallen Kingdom details the handlers/guards of the Indoraptor engaging in regular physical abuse of the animal as it grew up.
Klayton do you think the rest of Owens raptors survived the Indomonus attack because most of them kind of just disappeared. After the finale battle Blue runs in the direction of a raptor caw. Maybe the Scorpius Rex killed them since we don't see much of Blue until season 3. Maybe he went looking for the rest of the pack only to find out the Scorpius Rex killed them.
Maybe the amalgam testing had involved human and dinosaur splicing. 9 months is the average human pregnancy length of time so maybe they were testing and analysing a human-dinosaur hybrid and those species are what the hybrid was made of. I think that they wanted it to be at a more natural developmental stage when it awakened. So they waited the 9 months because that is the average human pregnancy and this is a human hybrid. Then there is the question of whether it awakened or not.
Could be linked to what Dr Wu wanted to do in the books and make the dinosaurs better for viewing. Essentially Dr Wu was trying to convince Hammond in the books to allow him to replace all the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park with modified versions that would be easier to handle, and the general public would accept. Dr Wu could have been looking to do that for Jurassic world in hopes of creating a new outcome, by splicing new DNA into the animals and that led to the groundwork of creating Hybrids.
ingen have clearly cloned more species then we know off as seen in that film jp3 which i have seen more then 50 times even in jurassic park the lost world hammond mentions THANK GOD FOR SITE B ;-)
I have a crazy idea, what if the Spinosaurus wasn't owned or made by ingen but instead one of those competing companies trying to prove the military application by showing the destruction and eradication of every loving thing on that island. Hence why the "man in black" shows up on the beach along with the military. When the Spinosaurus leaves the experiment is over and they go to collect the asset. The fact the raptors didn't kill them all was due to grants quick thinking and the military had to be like "yeah we're here for you" when in reality they are running experiments...
My Theory of the amalgam testing on site B in Jp3 is that The Spino may have been the first hybrid in the series. Basic off of the fact it looks different the the real Spino from paleontology records, legs were longer (more bipedal then quadrupedal), and was on land for most scenes it was featured in (still semi aquatic but more terrestrial, more vertical then horizontal compared to the real spino skeleton). Another fact that supports my theory is that it was attracted by the rex's urine, which is a trait in some reptile species like rock lizards where the female is attract by the males urine or vice versa with other species of reptiles and animals, and Dr. Wu said that they made the dinosaurs all female to prevent breeding, and the spino is the first of it's kind made in the Series, so it is very likely it is still a female and didn't change over because of the frog DNA or did change and smelled so of the female rex's urine, so based off this, if my theory is right, the Rex DNA in it triggers it's instinct to look for a mate ( any Rex on island or possibly the Bull Rex since the movie is based on the same island as lost world, and has possibly been near or in the bull's territory because of the instinct to mate and smelling the urine left around the territory), but only finds a fight because it has more Spino DNA then Rex DNA, because of this, it looks a lot more like a Spino then a Rex. Base off the fact it wasn't on ingen's list, Dr. Wu could have lied about the number of rexes and put the hybrid in the Rex count to cover up his amalgam experiment of splicing Rex and Spino DNA to see what the hybrid would look like at full maturity and study the outcome and results for future attempts at hybridization and future weaponizing dinosaurs for war and sheer profit. Dr. Wu most likely got the research he needed or some of data from site B before the site control failed. He later uses this data to make Scorpio Rex, Indominus Rex and improve on it to later make the indoraptor.
I believe the spinosaurus was a form of hybrid and no normal spino could have taken down a trex that easily. E750 was the 1st hybrid but Spino was the accident left on sorna and Dr. Wus testing is why spino was so agressive and powerful and the raptors had quills probably added other things to make them more appealing
In jwe2 the spino dies from raptors in chaos theory mode and gets taken to isa Nublar to what guess is to be the big spino skeleton But in camp cretaceous he’s alive on mantacore island what do you think
I do believe that the “Amalgam” tests were the first steps into furthering and eventual results that led to the Indominus and Indoraptor hybrids. I mean for the raptors in the first two movies to be normal to the third one where they had quills? Then they said the indominus had cuttlefish dna to help it camouflage, also in the lost world novel, their carnotaurs, could also camouflage! Then it boils down to ingen having MONEY and the POWER to do what they please in secret… but those are just thoughts.
If you were to look at that face of it in that it was called “Amalgam testing” which literally means to mix or blend this would tie in perfectly with what we see in Jurassic World. By this point, most notably seen with the raptors, other species such as birds and lizards are being used to fill the gaps in the Dino dnd. Maybe that’s all they were doing. Trying out different mixes of dnd to see which produced the “best” product.
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The incident on Sorna is clealy the Spinosaurus, and I don't think that the Raptor tribe of the third movie was artificialy created. In fact, the Amalgam Testing is most probably only the movement's name of Wu's conspiration, him with his loyal scientifics supporter (including Vic Hoskin and later Eli Mills). Because all his work since the 1997 movie as the franchise's lore clearly tells us is to create biological weapons. This starts with applying normal animal DNA to dinosaurs and other special genes such as speeding up or modifying creature temperaments, as a first step. To then be mainly the creation of hybrid dinosaurs between extinct species directly with as a bonus if possible the DNA of normal animals and special genes.
In addition, it is very unlikely that there was any extinction, even a slight destabilization of the ecosystem, on Sorna. The reasons are very numerous, but the fact that the illegally cloned dinosaurs (Cotythosaurus, Anky, Cerato) behave normally is an element to be taken into consideration in this perspective (the Corythosaur mixes even with the Parasaurs, the Certo is not bloodthirsty). And at worst, even though the Spino is a war machine with no ulterior motives, I don't think a single specimen screwed up the nature of the island on its own.
Personally, I would personally be more interesting to be interested in knowing why Doctor Wu, initially a promising student in the first film, embarked on such a project for such puerile ends for a person who considers himself a great scientist. . What are his interests, his plans, his motivations, it is not for money, nor to bring anything to the war, only stupidly in the name of science and to know where is what can go? This is indeed an important element that the franchise has never bothered to answer, even to pass over the window by the fan community, and yet really deserves more answer than the Amalgam Testing subject itself!
I remember watching this as a kid, and watching the Spino walk out of forest and stare at everyone, was likely the most thrilling movie scene I've ever seen. The nostalgia is real
That’s scene is so funny looking back , like why would a wild animal wait and stare at u for suspense loool
I like the whole phone going off inside the spino...cracked me up!
@@MrTwille it's like when you walk up to an animal and it just stares at you and you don't want to scare it so you just stand there looking at it
@@herashr that’s cracks me up all the time too loooll
@@ghaniKSW2 naw a dinosaur would not act like a wild animal were use to in my opinion. It’s not gonna state because it ain’t scared of us Tiny people loll
As much as I hate the rushed production of JP3 (because it could've been so much better, if only they had more time) it really has something positive going for it: it probably created the most amount of cryptic information in the entire jurassic franchise, that's really fun to learn about.
Yea I agree but I actually loved JP3
It might have been the most fun part of the LEGO JW campaign.
agreed.
@@paulwilliams2024 same man, same.
There’s a short scene idea I have for the In-Gen compound, you know the moment when Billy kicks open the vending machine? Well, after that moment would play out, Grant would look at the sell date on the candy wrapper, which would read: 6/12/01. I don’t like JP3, but if they changed the island to Site C, (or Isla Muerta as some call it), and further hinted at the meddling In-Gen had done, I might consider it a sequel on-par with The Lost World.
Most mega corporations: if I don’t see it, it’s not illegal
Even more than that : If no one can see it, it doesn't even exist!
Right. If *you* don't see it, it's not illegal. Theeeere's....nuthintosee.
I suspect that Disney is secretly building an army of human-animal hybrids....or maybe robots like on the Simpsons. Itchy and Scratchy land
Klayton: Raid Shado-
Me: No!!!! They've gotten to klayton, next thing you know their going to be going after Beaver and every other dinosaur youtuber.
If he could do RAID commercials like Flashgitz or Internet Historian does, I’d have no issues. Those ads are hilarious! (Especially Tom in Flashgitz)
We need him to have sponsors so they can pay more for his videos. He deserves it seeing his channel has been consistent for years.
NUUUUUUUUUUUUU
They already reached MrMeola so I am not surprised
oh no
"So this is how you get sponsored by raid shadow legends?"
"No. This is how you play god".
😂😂
yea
I WOULD LOL BUT ITS 15 TO 6
Dinosaur eats man, Raid Shadow Legends inherits the earth!
Klayton, our lives are in your hands, and you have sponsored Raid Shadow Legends?
At least he's not sponsored by fortnite... that would suck
"Dennis, our lives are in your hands and you have butterfingers ?"
@@ahsanvirk130 Yes, that is the reference. No need to repeat it.
#bringbacknedry
@@CinemaSans I'm fact
When I first saw the Ceratosaurus in JP3, it reminded me a lot of the Carnotaurus from Disney’s Dinosaur.
I like eat Pachycephalosaurus
So, now you're invading Klayton's videos... this isn't gonna end well
@@ceratosaurus3219 omg lmao
When I first saw it, I'd thought it was going to be an adapted version of the TLW novel Carnotaurus
It was originally supposed to be a Carnotaurus until they heard that Disney was putting them into their movie, so they changed it so people wouldnt think they were copying them
Can’t wait to see how Dr Grant, Ellie and Malcolm respond to seeing Rexy again!! And I hope the Spino makes an appearance!
Reminds me in the Lost World, when Malcolm asked if the bull Rex would recognize the same kidnappers from the island and be like:
" YOU ! "
@@luisgonzalez-ii3gc I know right!
@@luisgonzalez-ii3gc it knows!
Well I only watched the first Jurassic world movie once (never again) I will assume since that movie was so weak and camp it wouldn't surprise me if they made friends with the t rex, made it their pet and rode on its back. How on earth it went from terrfying suspense with the raptors and t rex in the original Jurassic park too Jurassic world's embarrassing pet raptors named blue ect and a t rex at the end that just might as well give a bro fist to everybody I will never know. Modern day films.. 99% just poor remakes and sequels to classic older movies or just plain boring superhero mash ups. I bet the superhero wins in the end. 😴
@@Facelessman254 I mean I like the first movie and I’m not fond on the 2nd and 3rd too much..Jurassic world movies are ok not too high on them either..but I agree with the whole raptors idea of them being trained etc kind of dumb IMO
1:42
Klayton: "you might have heard before"
Me: "what could he possibly... no, it can't be..."
Klayton: " *RAID SHADOW LEGENDS* "
Me: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooo"
He even shows a video of Wheatley's death
Wheatley is clearly representing viewers and the indoraptor is clearly Raid garbage Legends
It just makes sense
Let the man gain that grain. Just skip forward a minute. He still makes the money.
@@dunk7689 yerrrr
To be really honest the JW animated show really did throw away all the theories about Spino being a hybrid
As Doctor Wu admitted the first hybrid wasnt The Spino
It's probably for the best. That theory was causing a lot of arguments for no real reason, so to finally put it to bed is good in my opinion.
What if dr wu lied about the scorpius being the first hybrid and kept me as a secret
@@romanempire1536 all the citations including the official ones confirmed that wu is honest
@@romanempire1536 There was no point in lying. He was talking to himself for his own personal records. Why would he lie to himself?
@@DarthPyrusTheVirus exactly
This is why the premise of Fallen Kingdom falls apart.
I get that for where Dominion is going, they want Dinosaurs on the Mainland.
But JPIII only proves that they cloned them regardless of whether it was legal or illegal, within film universe lore.
So characters moaning that, "these are the last dinos" and to, "save the dinos", has no stakes. Has no drama because subconsciously, we know they've can always clone them again.
Jurassic World Extinction would have been a way better title
@@spartandelta124 it could be in the next trilogy perhaps after dominion it just becomes 'jurassic' so Jurassic extinction could work
I feel like if they dropped in a line that said like "the UN has decided that cloning of dinosaur are illegal" would have help alot
Isn't Isla sorna still around or was that gone with nublar after fallen kingdom?
The true premise of fallen kingdom is to not have dinosaurs and their clonable dna falling en masse into the wrong hands, the "save the dinos" was a public facade for the media and the naive good guys and that was quickly dropped soon after they arrived on the island.
As for IRL audience, i think it was pretty obvious from the trailers what was really going instead of just "save the dinos cuz they're last"
Me and the Troodons as juveniles: *Destroy the Genetics Lab*
Dr. Wu in a Recording:
These Troodons are extremely aggressive..
Do you think one of your kin might be the cruise ship stowaway?
rp is cringe
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 ok, I respect your opinion.
@@troodonnetwork I hope that's not supposed to be a troodon in your pfp
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 I'm thinking I might change it soon. But still, this is my pfp and I get to choose what I want to do with it.
I think all jp3 new creatures are part of this "amalgam testing" including the raptors and pteranodons, and of course the corythosaurus, ankylosaurus, ceratosaurus and the spinosaur itself.
But when Alan remembers the raptor in his dream before they land it looks like they do in the movie. So I think they were just obviously trying to update their look for a newer audience and act like they’ve always looked like that.
Or maybe at least that all the raptors previously seen were female
If the raptor designs weren't a retcon, and if JP3 gave us the subplot of the "amalgam testing" or put more emphasis then I think JP3 might have been looked upon more favorably by fans
There are so many stories that could be told once Dominion is out. A Doctor Wu focused story could have a lot of drama, action and suspense, especially when it comes to JP3 lore
I don’t believe Simon masrani knew. Judging by his reaction to indominus rex
I think the Amalgam Testing was actually a secret BioSyn Project made by Dr. Henry Wu and Lewis Dodgson
@@WhyTho525 How do you know?
@@AllosaurusJP3
I don't know, it's just a gut feeling a JP Conspiracy Theory of mine.
@@WhyTho525 I kinda like that theory! Makes the company so much more involved in the overal plot of the movies!
@@AllosaurusJP3
Indeed and for some reason I am 95% sure that BioSyn will be revealed as the true masterminds behind the Indominus Rex, and they secretly funded Eli Mills' auction plans and that Ken Wheatley collected dinosaur teeth so in case the plan goes wrong, Wheatley could give them the teeth and use the teeth to BioSyn to clone Dinosaurs.
Also perhaps the Spinosaurus was the prototype version of the Indominus Rex which Dodgson wanted to destroy Jurassic World.
That sponsored ad was so long I forgot what I was watching and almost closed out lol
I started tapping to skip ahead and I was surprised how far the red progress bar kept going and the ad part still going on
We NEED the Spinosaurus back in the franchise
💯💯💯
Hell ya
T-Rex fans do be raging then. But not of they do a rematch and Rexy win!
If for no other reason than to repair the atrocity that is JP3. They could have a battle between the original Rexy and Gigonatasaurus. Have Spino ambush Rexy during the fight, then Rexy could decapitate her in a single bite in a scene lasting about 2.5 seconds. To return a little realism to the franchise.
@@LARGO125 jp3 spinosaurus needs to return but no rematch.
I always imagined that the amalgam was them all living together in an independent ecosystem and allowed to develop naturally for asset collection. This is a great video with a lot of new info I didn’t know.
here’s what i think the amalgam testing was:
Henry Wu wanted to make dinosaurs without having to have their DNA at all, as well as trying to recreate feathers. They didn’t have DNA or Ceratosaurs and Spinosaurus, so for both he used Carnotarus for Ceratosaurs, and Baryonyx for Spinosaurus. This is why the Ceratosaurs is larger than it actually was in real life, and why the Spinosaurus looks different and is stronger than it’s real life counterpart. As for the Raptors and aggressive/different looking Pteranodons, they were created while trying to recreate feathers. The raptors resulted in quills and heightened intelligence, and the Pteranodons resulted in aggression and teeth. This could be why these particular Pteranodons were caged and not free like the ones seen in The Lost World. Wu could’ve either cloned these animals for the new, future park, or to see what he was capable of, or what was possible.
If there was dinosaur gene mixing then it would be counted as a hybrid, and Wu himself said the first attempt at this was the Scorpios.
@@DarthPyrusTheVirus all dinosaurs have something added to their code, in my case with the Spino and Ceratosaurs, Wu was replicating real dinosaurs, with hybrids, he created things that never existed
With all respect man, I think your emphasis on “9 months” being such a long experiment period seems backwards … 9 months is an incredibly short time for biological experiments as complex as “mixing” dinosaurs like the amalgam name suggests. If anything, 9 months suggests that it wasn’t working and they gave up before wasting further time, staff, and resources on the concept.
I work with living raptors and everything you said is on point. I mean in my tests for correlation between intelligence and beak density, I'm almost five years in and my error bars have not gone down by much.
I totally agree!
True
Information on the Amalgam testing, the Spinosaurus' incubation container, the gene splicing and the Mosasaurus tank, if those had been included in the final version of the film, JP III could have been more successful, even more so than it's predecessor, The Lost World, in my opinion
The raptors in Jurassic world are known to have different strains of animals, I think echo, top of my head, has more snake DNA in her.
Is it possible they were merely testing and splicing for the “Indo” projects?
As well more efficient immune systems for the dinosaurs.
Think about it. Sorna was essentially a perfect place to observe the subjects as they were in a mixed living eco system.
Whereas in Jurassic Park, most were contained to their own species.
Yes their was a couple of Herbivore groups.
But they were not exposed to carnivores etc
And some were still not fully complete in the DNA structures.
As someone who has studied animal bio sciences. It seems this was the PERFECT opportunity to observe and test things.
In regards to the Spino being so young etc
The timing and everything.
Again, this was an opportunity to perhaps release and observe how it could change the ecosystem.
And perhaps serve a base template for the I Rex.
I can hear you say “Dude! I Rex. It was a T Rex base construct ” blah blah
But look an the uncanny base structure of it.
Perhaps they originally wanted to use the Spino as it’s main structure…?
They had mastered the T Rex and wanted something different.
Since we know for sure it wasn't the Spinosaurus, it is a wonder what the "accident" was...
Probably the quilled Velociraptors? Something that didn't explicitly go right, but didn't go too wrong either. Especially since he used that for later projects with the Scorpius Rex, Indominous Rex and Indoraptor.
@@TribbleArtCreations yes the Dilophoraptors were the mistake since real raptors dont have crests on their skulls
@@TheAlanWilcox Headcanon lol get out of here
We don't know it wasn't the Spino. An accident just implies the Spino wasn't outright designed as a hybrid the way Indominus was. Whatever gene-splicing they did to create it obviously went badly wrong and it turned out to be a monster
@@biscuitcase83 We do know. The person who wrote it, Jack Ewins, confirmed the Spinosaurus was not the accident. He also said the Spinosaurus was not a hybrid, so whatever they did to it, it was just more severe than the standard InGen creation process, but nothing extra with DNA.
5:18, either the Spinosaurus or the Velociraptor were the "gene splicing accidents" he had mentioned.
It still leaves room for the scorpius beign the first "intentional" hybrid and/or for the spino to be a transitioning research stage where it dosen't have other dinosaurs in it yet, but where modern day animal DNA wasn't merely used as bare necessity to fill the gaps but to intentionally enanche the animal, kinda like what we do in the JW evolution games.
@@Dour888
I think it implies that the gene-splicing experiments weren't intended to create hybrids as such, but simply to "perfect" the cloning techniques. Perhaps they used the DNA of other dinosaurs to fill in the gaps and ended up with a lot more than they bargained for.
Then years later, Wu resurrects the idea of using the DNA of other dinosaurs to deliberately create a true hybrid
@@biscuitcase83 that too.
Once again we're talking about the mystery of site B. We'll, the mystery behind jp3 in general
I think learning about the amalgam testing would be perfect for Camp Cretaceous. They've spent a lot of time talking about hybrids, so it would be the logical next step. Especially if they can then feed the revelations back into what's happening in Dominion.
Honestly since JP3 seems to be a combination of unused material from the JP and LW books, the amalgam project could have been a reference to the mutant dinosaurs in the LW book but likely had to do with the splicing of various animal genes into the broken existing dinosaur DNA, it’s already known they used incorrect assumptions about dinosaurs to fill in the gaps in the damaged genetic code they extracted from amber, resulting in the gender changing phenomenon from the frog DNA in JP, it’s likely that Henry Wu knowing this was experimenting with spilling other types of animal DNA in order to make more “accurate” dinosaurs based on new scientific evidence or more likely more “marketable” dinosaurs for Jurassic world, as evidenced by the mosasaur in JW being far larger than its real world counterpart, likely being spliced with whale DNA for a more impressive size making it a better attraction. Honestly after the I-Raptor, I think a potential direction the franchise may go is that Henry may just drop the pretense of making “dinosaurs” and might start crafting his own organisms from scratch to fulfill the military market for the creatures, possibly even using the excuse of needing to create controllable super predators to take out the escaped dinosaurs from the end of JW2
Oh god the sponsor. I never thought I would see this day
You and me bro, we didn’t see it coming..
I'm kinda sad he's doing Raid ads. Never thought he would do it
Billy from Jurassic Park III: That was on Isla Nublar, This is Isla Sorna.
Amanda: This is how you make dinosaurs
Alan Grant: No, This is how you play God
Great and Interesting Question of something mysterious in Jurassic Park III and great points.
As always, Take It Easy and Life Finds A Way.
ACTUALLY WATCH THE VIDEO BEFORE COMMENTING!!!
Just kidding :) nice JP3 quotes
All I want is a film (or even a short film) detailing the Amalgam testing, as a sort of JP3 prologue.
Klayton: (covers Raid: Shadow Legends)
Me: I was not expecting that. But I was expecting not to expect something so it doesn’t count.
Happy 20th birthday my favorite little Isla Sorna Spinosaurus Aegyptiacus 😊😊
How come you never did a full in-depth video on The Velocicoaster at Islands of Adventure?
I unfortunately haven’t been yet. The plan was to go with my friend Ivan Ortega but I had surgery
@@KlaytonFioriti hope you are feeling better from surgery!! ☺️
Another "Ortega"! You know - because of Brooklyn.
@@goteamslugs I know right the irony
@@TMK411 Yep! I doubt these two Ortega's are related though. :)
I didn't like the raid shadow legends sponsor. But everything else was great. Amazing video
Same even though this sponsor is helping our favourite youtubers it gets anoying when everyone is saying "go get raid shadow legends
Shadow Legends is dookie.
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I'm okay with it, but not when it takes about 40% of the video time. But hey, our boi gotta eat!
@@dylnc9 Yeah if it was a longer video, like 20 minutes long, then I wouldn't mind a 2 minute ad.
Amalgam testing is reminiscent of the "Chaos Effect" toy line that came after the main Lost World line. With most of the dino part of the line being combinations of dinos.
In theory Scorpius Rex could have still been the first (per Camp Cretaceous), but I think it would be great having the Chaos Effect hybrids possibly being on the island. Maybe they had a shorter lifespan than most and didn't survive thru the tests.
The writers could explain this in Jurassic World Camp Cretaceous Season 4 or 5.
I personally think dr Henry Wu had something to do with the illegal cloning
I took the gene splicing to mean that the dinosaurs were spliced with different animal dna than in Jurassic Park 1. In Jurassic World, Wu mentions that the Indominus Rex has some of its missing sequences filled with snakes and cuddle fish, instead of just frogs. Maybe the Jurassic Park 3 dinosaurs have snake dna amalgamated.
Goddammit, Klayton...Raid Shadow Legends got you too?😂😂
LOL apparently so
Got em like the Spino got Cooper. Fun theory i recently heard from Shadows (litteral channel name) was there was an actual family of spinos and he killed the baby one resulting in the parent(s) going after them the whole movie. Honestly though on the verbage you used for your annoyance not cool but can understand the annoyance of him making two minutes of the video about Raid. 👀 Honestly would expect that for like a twenty minute video 💀 Godbless
Wasn't expecting Klayton to be sponsored by RAID Shadow Legends
The Pteranodons have the wingspan of a Quetzalcoatlus and teeth
The Ceratosaurus is very large and has a very Tyrannosaurus-like skull and was actually based on a T rex model
The Velociraptors are hyper intelligent and have quills like the Indominus rex, and the males have a stripe like Blue or Delta
The Spinosaurus behaves like the Indominus rex more so than the other dinosaurs and is proportioned more like Baryonyx or Suchomimus
Nodding to these previous design choices in the world series and retroactively claiming them to be part of planning for Jurassic World and hybrid testing is pretty smart
honestly this is what i would use as the explanation. the tests would be twofold. first, to verify to the new owners that the JP cloning process does still work. and to demonstrate that the genesplicing techniques used to produce the dino's (mixing recovered DNA with that of modern animals to fill in gaps) could also be applied to DNA from other dino's to produce hybrid creatures with traits not found in the originals. they cloned them, incubated batchs of various species, and the animals that survived to hatching were kept and studied for 9 months to verify that the mixed genetics didn't have major developmental flaws. after 9 months the animals grew too large (or in the case of the raptors, too aggressive) to be contained and were thus allowed to escape into the ecosystem of Sorna.
In my opinion, every dinosaur is a hybrid. Things like E750, Indominus and Indoraptor are super hybrids
Ah so someone also have Mutual Thoughts. I strongly agree because most or all of these Dinosaurs from InGen do have Frog DNA and other aspects to look a bit more different.
@@GarciaXVLegend_04 Exactly. Although I completely understand people who dont consider them as hybrids
@@dinomking3108 Same here
Jurassic Park 3 needs to be investigated more,as there so much to investigate,and hopefully the make a Tv seris or a movie about the behind the scenes during 2000 when Dr.Wu went to Isle Sorna
He went to Sorna: an island full of predators and filled with every sort of dangers. In only 9 months in this situation he with only few scientists created new dinosaurs in a devastated lab, full with insects, plants and probably snakes. Chapeau
@@longobardo9871 Now that would be a story I will like to see on Tv or in the Movies.
I remember reading somewhere that the raptors were evolving like that. I believe. they explainedit as they been there for so long that they were starting to revert to a more pure genome that's why the quills were present and why their eyes had circular pupils
Bit late to the party but my theory based off of this information, and going off what was said in Fallen Kingdom, is that the testing was probably two fold. The first was of course genetic in nature, but I would guess that the second part was phycological. In Fallen Kingdom they are trying to get the Indo-Raptor to exhibit certain traits so clearly controlling how the animals behaved has been something InGen would have been working on for a long time. After all you don't want a hyper aggressive animal in a park setting (which they do anyway). So to me it stands to reason that the first stage of testing was a genetic amalgamation with the second part, the nine months mentioned, was probably phycological. Just my 2 cents
I like to think I afford some respect to each film in the original trilogy. I believe the first movie to be the best made, overall. The Lost World is my own personal favorite and one I see as being the most quotable, whether it's Roland's rant in the car or Malcolm saying "You know I beg people to listen to me. I use plain, simple English. I don't have any accent that I'm aware of", among others, that film has the best lines for me, personally. With the third, I see it as holding the greatest mystery, that being the amalgam testing. Always good to see videos exploring this. Great video, Klayton.
I need all the jurassic world domion sets now 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I like to think that the Spinosaurus had a bit of monitor lizard DNA spliced into it since monitor lizards such as the Komodo Dragon have specialized scales with bone inside them that help them take blows in fights. Maybe that’s why the Spino didn’t get any long term or serious injuries from the Tyrannosaurus. Great video Klayton.
If it’s raid “shadow” legends, fitting for a dark story
Father, is that you?!?!?!
my brain keeps hearing "a Malcolm" testing
like Ian Malcolm testing something
I think the “illegally” cloned dinosaurs (corythosaurus, ceratosaurus, ankylosaurus, and spinosaurus) were bred during the construction of Jurassic park and I think the velociraptors were the ones experimented. Or they were born with quills as a genetic mutation
Seems like an explanation as to why the Spinosaurus is so fixated on killing humans.
Even the best of us (a.k.a Klayton) can be corrupted by raid shadow legends.
This is my first ever video I’ve watched from you and I already had to skip four minutes just to get passed the intro and sponsor. Not complaining or hating, just letting you know it doesn’t look good. However I do like the fact that you touch upon a rarely discussed topic and you’re very concise about it.
Everyone please take a moment to tell thank you to Mr. Fioriti for his continued dedication to keeping us up to date with this info. It really hurts me you aren't at 500k. Thank you sir for your work.
The Spinosaurus should really return in Jurassic World Dominion.
I wish we've got paleoaccurate Spino...
@@CinemaSans all dinosaurs in Jurassic franchise are inaccurate including the trexes, if they were accurate then they would all look different
@@Black_Wolf1357 I know that
When are we actually gona get a trailer for dominion thats not some bootleg theater filmed one...
isn't it coming out june next year? so i wouldn't be surprised if it's this december, at least for a teaser trailer, but that's probably at the earliest i can think of
Might not get any attention but damn it I had an interesting thought! So amalgam is a mixture but in technicality and in lore, these dinos are not actual hybrids. So here is my proposal. The amalgam testing is an experiment that would of allowed Dino dna that there would be less of, and mixing that with the abundant Dino dna that is similar to allow more dinosaurs to be made, but instead of filling it in with frog dna, it’s other Dino dna. So the spino might of had a little bit of its DNA found but it’s too small that this experiment would of used other similar creatures dna to fill in the gaps. Essentially making it possible to make more dinosaurs without needing this method with the amber.
BILLY Obviously a superpredator. Suchimimus. that snout.
GRANT They never got that big.
BILLY Baryonyx?
GRANT Not with that sail. Spinosaurus Aegypticus.
From the beginnging on it was unclear what it actually is. A Suchimimus, a Baryonyx or a Spino? All of them perhaps?
How the fuck did Billy even think that the Baryonyx was bigger than Suchomimus?
@@WhyTho525 No clue 🤷🏻♂️😂
@@DerFinder
I think Billy was just in the University mainly for the girls and being Grant's student was just for popularity boost as Alan Grant is one of the best in the field of paleontology.
@@WhyTho525 lol
This explains so much of the Spino's behavior in JPIII- namely, the reason why he was so hell-bent on hunting the humans down (despite them not presenting much of a threat or meal-potential). The Spino was probably badly mistreated due to the secrecy and desperation of the illegal projects (with a lack of knowledgeable personnel and funding probably making its care more focused on sheer results rather than the creature's comfort and needs, such as ample anesthetics during exams/surgeries). So when the humans landed on the island in JPII, closer to the T. Rex couple's territory; the Spino probably didn't find them to be much of a threat and ignored them. But when a massive, noisy plane landed right in his territory... he probably thought the nightmare was about to start all over again.
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The spinosaurus would be considered hybrid by many because we know 2021 that spinosaurus was mainly a fish eater and also was very aquatic. It would also walk mostly on all fours and had a tail suited to helping him swim in the water
Maybe Wu tried to blend different species of animals with the dinosaur gene, but it seems that the test was a failure, for the feather part I can see that being Wu’s failure, attempting to replicate dinosaur feather growth from the past. Wu most likely carried tons even more projects he has in mind over to Jurassic World and beyond.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there some new way that they extract DNA/genetic material for use in the cloning process in Jurassic World? Perhaps the Amalgam Testing wasn't the combination of different dinosaurs genes into one creature, but was instead the amalgamation of different methods of creation. Maybe that's what the dinosaur foetus' were, an amalgamation of different methods of creation, in order to produce a single outcome.
Also, "something perfect for Jurassic Park's second iteration" is NOT presumably anything to do with higher ticket sales (especially given that the park hasn't open yet). It may have been that they were working on something that would help set the park up, such as how to produce and then stabilise an accelerated growth rate in newly created creatures or some other production related ideas.
And finally it should also be noted that this information comes from the Dinosaur Protection Group, so "experiment" may not even be anything more then simply developing, creating and raising the creature in a manor that's similar to the way it was/would be done in a fully operational park. Although this might be expecting to much from the people writing for the secondary/background material.
My top ten favorite dinosaurs
1t rex(look at my name and profile picture)
2spinosaurus(lol i bet u thought i hated it but i like it but i like t rex more tho)
3velociraptor(beacuse blue)
4triceratops(very iconic)
5giganotosaurus(im sad that he killed t rex but still cool dinosaur)
6carnotaurus(very underrated)
7allosaurus(too iconic to be not on this)
8troodon(honestly pretty underrated)
9brachiosaurus(very inconic)
10 parasolophus(kinda iconic)
Sidenote:Giganotosaurus and Charcharodontosaurus are very simular so Charcharodontosaurus whould be also 5 so their tied
When a T rex picks its top ten favorite dinos, are they its top ten favorite challengers? ;)
@@cindys9491 maybe
God the loading acreen from the Jurassic Park PSone game gave me chills. I played it a lot as a kid. Especially when I was sick at home.
Honestly it was really weird without klayton saying "leave your thoughts and opinions in the comments down below" XD
From the dialogue in JP2, I got the impression the island was used as part of the process of populating the main island.
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I remember watching Jurassic Park III when i was three because i was a dinosaur kid but it is still my favorite movie to this day. The different raptors were really cool too and the spino has always been my favorite dinosaur and still is. I read i think it was called The Evolution of Claire and it’s a story about Claire from Jurassic World but she is interning at the wip Jurassic World in her late teens-early 20’s. It’s a great book, i liked it. One thing in that book that they did was they were bringing over dinosaurs from site B over to Nublar for Jurassic World-one of these dinosaurs they brought over was a raptor. If you read the book, to me it sounds like it was a tiger striped raptor they brought over due to it’s aggression but that’s what i thought when i read the book. I recommend reading the book tho, i had a hard time putting it down lol.
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It would be really cool if the kids do crash on Sorna, and they end up uncovering the mystery of those experiments. Perhaps they might find out that Wu had continued testing on Sorna without InGen... maybe with a rival.
I hope to one day see the spino back in a movie, though not in Dominion, that movie will already be stuffed to the gills as is. Especially since the gigantosaurus is gonna be that movie's big bad dino. Maybe a spinoff movie from the main series would be a better way to bring it back in a movie format, just my two cents about one of my favorite dinos from the series and how I think it would be worked best back into the movie series
I like the idea of the spiney as a hybrid. It fits well with its disparity of the movie spiney with the modern scientifically accurate spiney.
It is an elegant solution.
Nice, 30% of the video is litterally just another cringe raid advetisment.
yeah that was extremely cringe
@@bullymaguire9987 It's kind of funny how Klayton created a channel out of literally nothing. Like "some director said something for five seconds let me pad this out for as painfully long as I possibly can for that ad revenue"
Comment not dinosaurs or Jurassic related but I'm so glad you are sponsored now, it is so nice someone that in some way it's giving real entertaining and giving something back to the viewers in content video related not like other influencers and TH-camrs
Who wants the spinosaurus back
1:50, ok, this is unexpected. Lol!
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I think that the reason behind the creation of the Spino and raptors was as simple as make them weapons, the raptors of the 3 were more intelligents than the raptors seen in JP1 and The Lost World, the Spinosaurus was also a terminatorsaurus chasing one objetive and trying its hard to kill it, this objetive being alan and the kirby family, idk why they left, but we know that part of the genoma seen on the JW Raptors are extracted from the JP3 Raptors so... perhaps they partially succeeded.
What if Raptors in this film are so intelligent because of human DNA? This is the only version of Dinosaur&Human hybrid I'd accept.
That would make a little sense.
Not possible. Trevorrow said there are no human-dino hybrids (at least at this time). Primate and dino, maybe, but not human.
They're smarter than humans, was the implication. Alan: "they're smarter than primates..."
@@cindys9491 I know but it's still possible
@@CinemaSans I hope not. Plus, if raptors are smarter than humans, why dilute them by adding human DNA
"What kind of experimenting was being done to these animals as part of their 'Amalgam Testing'?"
If we're going to assume the worst and most morally dubious of possibilities, I'm going to guess that we're not talking about the equivalent of putting makeup on rabbits and guinea pigs.
Although, background on Fallen Kingdom details the handlers/guards of the Indoraptor engaging in regular physical abuse of the animal as it grew up.
As a kid, I thought InGen's list was the packet that Roland was referring to when chasing the Pachy.
I wish we could see Utahraptor or Deinonychus in the newest film!
Klayton do you think the rest of Owens raptors survived the Indomonus attack because most of them kind of just disappeared. After the finale battle Blue runs in the direction of a raptor caw. Maybe the Scorpius Rex killed them since we don't see much of Blue until season 3. Maybe he went looking for the rest of the pack only to find out the Scorpius Rex killed them.
No, it was confirmed they died
@@egghead562u9 When?
Maybe the amalgam testing had involved human and dinosaur splicing. 9 months is the average human pregnancy length of time so maybe they were testing and analysing a human-dinosaur hybrid and those species are what the hybrid was made of. I think that they wanted it to be at a more natural developmental stage when it awakened. So they waited the 9 months because that is the average human pregnancy and this is a human hybrid. Then there is the question of whether it awakened or not.
When Klayton talks about Jurassic Park 3 I click so fast. Great video as always!
Could be linked to what Dr Wu wanted to do in the books and make the dinosaurs better for viewing. Essentially Dr Wu was trying to convince Hammond in the books to allow him to replace all the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park with modified versions that would be easier to handle, and the general public would accept. Dr Wu could have been looking to do that for Jurassic world in hopes of creating a new outcome, by splicing new DNA into the animals and that led to the groundwork of creating Hybrids.
ingen have clearly cloned more species then we know off as seen in that film jp3 which i have seen more then 50 times even in jurassic park the lost world hammond mentions THANK GOD FOR SITE B ;-)
Intresting experiment indeed, kinda wish we got to see more of the spinos
There was only one spino
I would love to believe that the Amalgam tests are tied into Chaos Effect in some way. Tbh I'd just love to see Chaos Effect come back
I have a crazy idea, what if the Spinosaurus wasn't owned or made by ingen but instead one of those competing companies trying to prove the military application by showing the destruction and eradication of every loving thing on that island. Hence why the "man in black" shows up on the beach along with the military. When the Spinosaurus leaves the experiment is over and they go to collect the asset. The fact the raptors didn't kill them all was due to grants quick thinking and the military had to be like "yeah we're here for you" when in reality they are running experiments...
The amalgam testing was seeing if man and ancient wildlife could coexist...
My Theory of the amalgam testing on site B in Jp3 is that The Spino may have been the first hybrid in the series. Basic off of the fact it looks different the the real Spino from paleontology records, legs were longer (more bipedal then quadrupedal), and was on land for most scenes it was featured in (still semi aquatic but more terrestrial, more vertical then horizontal compared to the real spino skeleton). Another fact that supports my theory is that it was attracted by the rex's urine, which is a trait in some reptile species like rock lizards where the female is attract by the males urine or vice versa with other species of reptiles and animals, and Dr. Wu said that they made the dinosaurs all female to prevent breeding, and the spino is the first of it's kind made in the Series, so it is very likely it is still a female and didn't change over because of the frog DNA or did change and smelled so of the female rex's urine, so based off this, if my theory is right, the Rex DNA in it triggers it's instinct to look for a mate ( any Rex on island or possibly the Bull Rex since the movie is based on the same island as lost world, and has possibly been near or in the bull's territory because of the instinct to mate and smelling the urine left around the territory), but only finds a fight because it has more Spino DNA then Rex DNA, because of this, it looks a lot more like a Spino then a Rex. Base off the fact it wasn't on ingen's list, Dr. Wu could have lied about the number of rexes and put the hybrid in the Rex count to cover up his amalgam experiment of splicing Rex and Spino DNA to see what the hybrid would look like at full maturity and study the outcome and results for future attempts at hybridization and future weaponizing dinosaurs for war and sheer profit. Dr. Wu most likely got the research he needed or some of data from site B before the site control failed. He later uses this data to make Scorpio Rex, Indominus Rex and improve on it to later make the indoraptor.
I believe the spinosaurus was a form of hybrid and no normal spino could have taken down a trex that easily. E750 was the 1st hybrid but Spino was the accident left on sorna and Dr. Wus testing is why spino was so agressive and powerful and the raptors had quills probably added other things to make them more appealing
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Would be neat if these experiments lead to a non-canon Chaos Effect entry. There were some pretty wild concepts that were thought up
In jwe2 the spino dies from raptors in chaos theory mode and gets taken to isa Nublar to what guess is to be the big spino skeleton
But in camp cretaceous he’s alive on mantacore island what do you think
I do believe that the “Amalgam” tests were the first steps into furthering and eventual results that led to the Indominus and Indoraptor hybrids. I mean for the raptors in the first two movies to be normal to the third one where they had quills? Then they said the indominus had cuttlefish dna to help it camouflage, also in the lost world novel, their carnotaurs, could also camouflage! Then it boils down to ingen having MONEY and the POWER to do what they please in secret… but those are just thoughts.
If you were to look at that face of it in that it was called “Amalgam testing” which literally means to mix or blend this would tie in perfectly with what we see in Jurassic World. By this point, most notably seen with the raptors, other species such as birds and lizards are being used to fill the gaps in the Dino dnd. Maybe that’s all they were doing. Trying out different mixes of dnd to see which produced the “best” product.