A Friend of mine was locked up a while back.... way before covid and BLM. He told me the N word was thrown around by everyone of all color's especially of they were from the same community. Yes that includes white people. So before there was money funneled into BLM to stir the pot and divide people of all walks of life. The N word was used by everyone especially those involved in the culture. Personally i think BLM was created by raciest to hurt the community they are supposedly representing. Just look at the moves of the leaders, got money funneled to the top of the organization so they can buy 5 million dollar houses and avoid paying taxes just to leave BLM hangin with nothing.
Pretty sure that when Destiny goes to Israel he’ll single handedly end the conflict with his debate tactics (such as eating pizza and saying the n word).
Anyone can say it but If black people find the word to be so disrespectful they should also not say it/put it out into the world otherwise they're just perpetuating their own problem
As a YT man that is also white I don’t think Destiny is a racist. All he has to do is get a cute black boyfriend to show everyone else he isn’t. Like if you agree
I love how she defends black culture as some sort of sacred thing that invented hip hop. It's one of the worst demographics to be a part of and the incarceration rate is super high. The culture sucks and it's philosophies are just downright hogwash. All rappers are hypocrites but not all hypocrites are rappers.
@@m.j.e.5245 Then why does so many people like and follow rap music but no one mess with US country music? Why do so many people follow their style? All country singers are alcoholic but not all alcoholics are country singers
@@maddylou8173 Nah I thinks its just what you would expect people who are inundated by so many leftists soying out over the most mundane shit ever, that any hint of it even when its not that, will get a certain reaction lol. Not saying its completely fair but yeah...
Nah, we need to stop opening our hearts to people that are so damn sensitive because they want to be. He hasn't directed it at anyone in a harmful way. If just hearing it leave his cr4cker lips is enough to hurt you then you deserve to be hurt
To be fair chat is always unhinged crazy. The viewing experience and one's ability to actually engage with the conversation is helped immeasurably by just not looking at
Im a fan, but just like other things i dont like about destinys views , the n word shit is just corny but i see how it plays into the hypocrisy of all the people he aims at
its annoying though because he seems to not acknowledge that the word isnt used just against black americans but black africans too who rarely use the word unless they’ve been americanized, so it’s already weird enough that other black people are using it but its feels even weirder that white people are using it in the perspective of the many of us who don’t use it. Not everyone knows who destiny is what his stance are about the usage and what his intentions are using it so of course a lot of black people are gonna be upset
@@ihtenubz9697 Lol that’s not the issue and you know it, plenty of rappers had said something to the affect of “yeah if you at one of my concerts and start singing along that’s cool” But if you just blurted it out loud in front of one of these guys, they’d probably peg you as a weirdo. There’s obviously different standards for different social contexts.
I think my position on this is closer to Destiny's than the caller's. The N word is devastating because of the vitriol and hatred behind its common usage in the past, but that hatred doesn't automatically attach itself to any usage of the word today. There are very innocuous usages of the word as well as very offensive uses. How the word is used matters.
Who are you to decide that? No one. Unless you've been impacted by the history of that word you will never truly know what it means to hear the word come out of a white person's mouth. The best thing you can do is don't say it. This lack of self control should not be normalized.
Would it change your perspective if I said I am someone affected by the historical usage of the word? That I have heard the word (in hard and soft iterations) come out of white people's mouths? Either way, I am a human with reasoning facilities like any other. We don't have to experience things directly to have an understanding of them. Words are not magical, they are tools to convey meaning. That meaning is typically context dependent, so of course the context in which a word is used matters. This is true even of really loaded words like the N word.
@@jpdag05 But the context your ignoring is the stigma, pain, and history behind the word. The context is a white person is saying it which is never okay. Pick one, see race or completely ignore it. If we live in a society where race exists and is recognized widespread then we move under that social structure. Black people "rebranded" that slur for them which was created because how they were perceived by their physical features, less than human, by white people. For a white person to say it, soft or hard, is disrespectful because of that historical context of how white people used it. For you to say the context has changed from now to then is not true. Maybe you want white people to be comfortable with saying and calling you that word but that's not for me and never will be. I want to be called by my name and not grouped with a slur. People should know it's wrong to do otherwise.
@@jemiinou Historical pain is _one_ context behind the word, but there are many others. The race of a person using the word is _one_ context (and not even that important of one in my opinion), but there are many others. I can fully understand why some people are traumatized by the very utterance of the word, but to insist that _all_ people must be equally traumatized is both silly and counterproductive. To be clear in how I'm using "context," I am mostly referring to a combination of intended meaning, reasonable implication, and likely impact of a particular utterance. these are the things that matter most to me when I hear people speak. Accordingly, an old racist hick calling me nigg** with the hard "r" is received very differently from a random white girl quoting lyrics to a song. That white girl, in turn, is received very differnetly than a white boy who uses the soft version as a replacement for "bro" because he grew up with mostly black friends. My point is that the _meaning_ and _intent_ of the person using the word varies widely, and said meaning and intent are far more important to me than the historical context (at least in individual situations).
It’s become my respect gague. I don’t care if you say it around me, but I will pay attention to how you choose to use it around me and other black people. Most of my white friends just choose not to, and those that do keep it between us, and they don’t “abuse” it like many do. None say Hard R, and as we’ve gotten older they say it less because eventually the adrenaline stops hitting, or they just mature out of it. Being honest it’s corny to just say it trying to be edgy or to “get a point across”. Just say it or don’t, and make sure you’re consistent about it.
I don't use it myself, so I find it interesting how enthusiastic white people are about wanting to use it around me. I don't care if you use it, personally, but I make it known that they can't control how I *personally* feel about them using it.
What if it's a black person completely disconnected from America and black American culture? Or people that barely know English and just parrot their favourite songs? This whole discourse is weird and purely American.
@@PolCoolguy Literally anyone within the black community will tell you that black foreigners tend to get side eyes from black americans when they use the n-word. The reason they get a "pass" is bc there's still that shared history of oppression and slavery even though they aren't descendants of american slaves. At any rate, most of the people who complain about not being able to say the n-word are actually just upset that they usually can't openly say it without any consequences, since you can technically say whatever you want as long as you're ready to deal with what might happen after your words leave your mouth. It's like calling a stranger's sister a bitch bc you heard him make a joke about it, and then acting like you don't understand why he kicked your ass. See how stupid that sounds?
@@PolCoolguy No, the discourse is not weird, and is definitely not purely american. Black people who are disconnected from black american culture typically do not say the word to begin with, however even for those that do there is still camaraderie based off phenotypical likeliness. That's just obvious. There would have been little to no outrage if the little mermaid was a francophone white person who dyed her hair red, for example, even though technically there's still no connection to the little mermaid's actual birthplace. There are very few black people who care about your second scenario, but the most common response would be to educate them about why the word is wrong. Although by now, most of the world is already aware.
I think he does get it and doesn’t care. That’s why he does it. What he doesn’t get is why other people care, which is also part of why he does it. He seems indignant about people snapping at him about it because he’s not seeing an issue fundamentally
@@whatoh3407if you’re brown you have literally no place in this discourse. Non Africans-Americans pretending they’re not exactly the same as white people when they use the n word are the worst of them all… someone explain why an Indian dude can say it no problem, but a white dude cant?
Destiny's usage of the n word is clearly a statment of freedom of speach from her philosophy plus her own amusment at the reaction of the people that she sees that hate on her. This is pretty clear and concistent behavior from her.
@@youareasock9752 it does not matter the way you mean to use it. using it if you are not black is jarring and disrespectful on its own due to its extremely divisive and racist history. and i don’t get why other people want to use it so bad?? it was reclaimed by black people because it targeted us and we have the right to do so but whyyyy do yall wanna use it so bad?
@@cymoneh4269 because people despise to be told what to do. And when you're told you can't even use your own body to recreate a pattern of sounds is disturbing to people. Then there's the fact that there're types of people that we call contrarians, those that do not wish to follow conventional norms and get joy out of clashing with the people that follow the main stream. Some people like to fight, they get energy for their heated interactions with their fellow men and women (source: fucking twitter). A type of extroverts, basically. And the constant fact that they are told to constraint their expression is insulting to them.
To clarify only yt girls who are both large and have either been raised in a black neighborhood or dated at least 12 black guys can say it. This can be sped up by addition of tattoos
She expressly said she's not trying to police language, she's just explaining a feeling that is very real and is evoked when hearing a white person say the n word and the thoughts it's conjured, she literally said she's not asking for a behavioural change.
@@EyesDontCry Saying you aren't doing something isn't not doing the thing, if you're giving all the arguments to not do the thing, and asking if they don't see how they shouldn't be doing the thing, guess what. that's fucking policing language.
This is the issue with n-word discourse, you can pretend like you only want to use it in media or when it's written, but what actually happens is you attract a bunch of racists.
When participating in the comments here I would like to kindly ask you Americans to stop supporting the resurgence of ‘folks/folk’. I do not like the word, it makes me angy 😡
The n word in that context is kind of like another form of the word "brother" or "sister" but tacked on with the connotation of having a shared history and lineage of struggle specific to their people. This is why I think it evokes the feelings it does when not exchanged with someone of the same race.
Yeah it’s kind of embarrassing to see destiny just not understand that words can have different impacts in different social contexts Like if you call your gf “sl*t” while dirty talking in the heat of passion she’s gonna react differently to how she would if some random stranger just yelled it at her on the street. (Had to censor that word cause TH-cam deletes comments)
Funny story, I took multiple classes that were taught by PM Olmert’s brother. Really great guy and won professor of the year a couple of times. Would always hear both sides and encourage dialogue. Was respected by Muslim students and Jewish students
Whoa, you took classes taught by the brother of the giant rock god from Legends of the Hidden Temple?! Oh, the unfathomable and arcane knowledge he must have imparted upon your meager, mortal mind!
Im 41. Tekashi 69 saying the N word was weird to me because I thought he was a clown, fake thug, and cornball. Mexicans saying the N word was weird to me coming from the east coast to the west coast where I only slotted that language for us and like ricans. NYC had its own cultural rules for who was down and that extended to a lot of spanish ethnicities and some white boys too. There is no debate on the N word anymore. Its a vestige of racism at this point. Not that I would advocate for more casual usage of it by people, because even ardent pro black activist have hated that word for decades, and not wanted even us to use it. The word is not debatable anymore. It means something but also nothing now.
Tekashi is Puerto Rican too lol. I agree with you he was a cornball but I imagine he grew up with a lot of black and Hispanic people so it was a part of his everyday language.
I think Destiny has a hard time empathizing with people when it forces a restriction in his style of humor. And, in general, he becomes extremely combative when he feels like people are trying to criticize or worse, vilify him based on a free speech restriction he disagrees with. So sometimes he'll end up building very weird hills to die on. He personally thinks being offended by the use of the n-word or any slur in a edgy humor context is pointless. So he either doesnt care, cant actually empathize with the people offended by it or is just generally afraid of building a sensitive audience. But lets be honest, its not some sort of big sacrfice or slippery censorship slope to agree to not say slurs, at least in a public setting. Even for edgy humor, its pretty low hanging fruit. And to speak on the n-word specifically, just because black people use the it casually amongst ourselves and in music doesn't mean we expect or tolerate non-black people saying it obviously. Everyone understands its a slur that black people have basically tried to 'reclaim'. So everytime a non-black person says it, it feels like they're either ignorant of how it makes you feel, know how you feel but dont sympathize with you or are blatantly direspecting you to get a rise out of you. The first one is surprisingly hard to recognize and theres a really thin line betwen the latter two.
This is the sane take, but a lot of people who have grown up online surrounded by edgy humour would rather feel like a victim than just accept it would be cool for them to leave it alone
Can we just admit that dying on the hill that "only people with this skin color can say this word" is inherently racist, more than using the soft a version of the word to refer to a comrade?
@@m.j.e.5245 its not just a word though, its a word originated from a slur. I agree its odd, but the people who it was used against have turned it into something casual amongst themselves. Now all they ask is that other people don't use it. You can't view it as hypocrisy if you nor your relatives have never experienced the same hatred from this specific slur. You're severely underestimating how fresh the racial issues are in America from a historical perspective. Of course the U.S. is probably 99% fine today, but many of us have grandparents, great-grandparents or other older relatives who were born before segregation ended. Many of us grew up hearing a lot of their frustrations and trauma from an era where casual racism was accepted, especially in the South. It costs a non-black person nothing to simply avoid saying a word. And even when we politely ask you to not say it and explain why we we feel uncomfortable with you saying it, it somehow gets flipped into us being racist for even asking. Its just a basic request for understanding and a little compassion.
I actually agree with him and would ABSOLUTELY die on the hill that the restriction of comedy is a bad thing. I think people dont even realize that their actual problem is with people who use the word to display power over someone rather than purely the comedic aspect. Its the context that matters, and how it is said. Comedy is like a peak behind the curtain of how people are actually feeling. Now if you build a metaphorical wall to restrict anyone from exploring what its like to use the n word, youre actually creating more problems than youre solving. Another example, ive recently started playing on a minecraft server, and theres tons of kids spamming the n word. now think for one sec why theyre doing it. Probably because people dont want them to. So in a sense, were just fanning the flames of hatred by trying to restrict it so excessively, without asking ourselves what the PERSONS intent was saying it
So if Destiny is so heavily influenced by rap music enough, not to say the N word, is he also making it rain in the club, pushin' weight, and poppin caps in N words?!? Maybe he should listen to jazz, that black music with less words. Smh!!!
Holy shit didn't know the Prosecutor for the International Criminal Court is a DGGer, the way he described genocide is literally verbatim how Destiny has defined it 🤯🤯🤯
Destiny recognizing MJ is the GOAT & it’s not close! The rule change he’s talking about is: hand checking & it absolutely made defending offensive players much easier making posting big offensive numbers was far more difficult than it is today.
Its always weird seeing destiny defend the usage of the slur while being almost entirely isolated from any sort of African/ African American or carribean culture. The idea that listening to rap music makes it harder not to say a slur is weird. If i like anime and udon, does that make it okay to say things disrespectful to Japanese individuals. I get his point that nigga is used in a lot of rap songs, but it's used by people that are black or have grown up around African Americans. Even then, ppl like Eminem and mac miller have never said the slur despite being two influential artists.
I agree, but the Japanese thing is a weird comparison just because of they way the word is being used. He wasn't using it as a slur and the reclaimation of it has made it culturally more of a term of endearment for people of the same race. I don't really know if there's any other sort of comparison to another slur, maybe the f word? Even that's not the same because it hasn't seem the same level of reclaimation from the people originally targeted. It's so frustrating because I agree with him on so many topics, but yeah this one ain't it.
Nigga isn't a slur, it's slang. The slur is -er The slang now is more on the level of an in inside joke among black people. Everybody think of an outsider of the group using any of your groups inside joke, it's cringy
Eminem did use the n word in his early years and he has apologized for that. He was pissed at an ex and used it in a hateful way. Which lines up with destinys views. Its okay if its not being aimed at someone to hurt them. Thats his perspective.
In case the other comments nuked or whatever, there's a slang word then theres the slur. The slang is on the level of a inside joke, it's cringy to use another groups inside jokes in general
The difference is there isn't an anti Japanese slur in Japanese media. Anime nerds appropriate Japanese words all the time, just never slurs, because those things never appear in anime. Eminem dropped the nbomb all the time on stage, he only stopped when he started going mainstream. Also Latin America rappers drop the n bomb all the time, where are their ties to the African American community?
For me. Racial slurs are a code switching thing. If you say it amongst your friends and it’s just how you talk to each other then it’s whatever. If I’m not one of your friends and you say it in front of me you’ve misunderstood the relationship we have and that’s just disrespect towards me. Same as if you are in front of your parents or a stranger or job interview or kids you change your wording. I’d assume you do the same when you don’t its a lack of respect and manners and to me that’s the more important issue and also lets me know I can lower my standards of you as a whole.
Yep that part. The kind of white people who never been around black people wont understand this (so most of this community), But there are older black people who will slap a black kid for saying that word to them, simply because it’s a sign of disrespect and informality, race not even play there.
Yeah Ngl when I first started listening to destiny I was surprised to see that leftists claims about him and his community were mainly overblown. Now it’s feeling like some weird self-fulfilling prophecy tho, cause it seems DGG is getting more comfortable with actual racism
@@BlondeCyborg Yeah I guess you’re right! That is true. It’s still disheartening to see that even a part of the community I used to think was reasonable, think it’s okay to reply to a black person voicing how they feel about this with minstrel style impressions of them to mock them. That’s a comment I literally saw get like 12+ likes.
@@earhearthush-up5549 Don't get bogged down by some edgy commenters. DGG is quite a diverse community with varying levels of homogeneous thought and attitudes. Find yourself a corner you're comfortable with and Enjoy the Ride. DggL 🤙
As a new Destiny fan I have to that his coverage of the conflict has been nothing short of incredible, when compared to every other online commentator I've seen. Everything is laid out with facts and data instead of ideology, and whether I agree with his overall conclusion on that aspect, it all seems in good faith and without coming into it with preconceived bias. Going to Israel is a great idea both knowledge wise and career wise, looking forward to seeing the interviews.
As a black fan myself i get using it for rhetoric sake but Destiny should keep in mind that people are still side eyeing him for it. The part of irony people forget is: what you do still has consequences. If you wanna say the n-word as rhetoric but your black fans are still gonna feel a way about it. I just think it's cringe personally. Like yea we get it dude you can be effortlessly edgy. But i think that boldness comes from knowing he has a smaller black audience he can risk alienating with virtually no consequence. I mean there's like maybe 8 of us lol but that's something he could reflect on
But he’s shown he doesn’t care or respect y’all. Nor does his community. Black people in his subreddit complained and they told them to stfu lol I don’t get what he provides that y’all would allow this disrespect.
@@mindyobizness I'm not going to Destiny for any black culture or takes on black issues. Basically outside of his anti racist takes they're usually bad. This isn't a black space, it's a political space. So there's room to offend people and I'm okay with that. It's not that big of a deal to me
@@mindyobizness it has nothing to do with respect and everything to do with those black people being sensitive as baby shat. I'm black and the only thing cringe about the way he's used has been how awkward it sounds when someone who's not accustomed to saying it says it. If you feel alienated it's not because he's too "edgy" it's because you're a baby and he won't bottle feed you
@@noheartx9992 Theres 4 problems 1. If non targeted use of the n word is fine, he should allow his chat to say it, yet he doesnt. 2. He never makes n word jokes around black people 3. It will attract actual racist fans 4. He says it like Riley Reid. Im black and I cant pretend I get offended when white people use the word, I just want them to be consistent.
That was a good conversation. I agree with her too. Im still a fan. I just dont get why this is a hill hes fighting on because even he admits theres no real context that yt people say it and it doesnt sound extremely weird and forced. But i get his perspective of not wanting his fans to be shocked on his types of arguments in the future.
If you were born in the last 25-30 years, there’s an extremely high chance that you’ve seen the n word used more as a term of endearment than as a racist slur. I have literally never witnessed anyone call anyone the n word as a pejorative in-person. For most of us, it’s use during our entire life has been during cool rap songs and… that’s about it. It’s kinda hard to expect people to see it as some Voldemort-esque word when that’s the lived experience and exposure we’ve had to it.
this comment section is weird asl. black people have the right to feel offended by other races using the n-word. the same way a group of women that are friends can go around calling each other a bitch but it feels and is different if a man or someone who isn’t apart of that friend group were to say it and why would you even want to??
Do you not see a difference between saying the word bitch out loud in a non hateful matter and specifically calling a woman a bitch with the intent to insult her for her gender.
You comparison completely fails and shows the difference. You wrote n-word, not the actual word, but wrote bitch without hesitation. It's not even about calling people the n-word, you are not even allowed to say it at all. No other word in the world is treated like this and no, no one is allowed to feel like this about words just being used without actually insulting anyone.
As a fellow black woman fan who've been watching destiny for years, he should just drop the n word shit. It's annoying and pushes black fans away. There are interesting discussions that can be had on the word but just dropping it out of no where on a tweet isnt that. Now if he only wants white watchers then.....idk cuz I feel like they are the ONLY people who would defend this. Destiny is chronically online, doesn't go out into much black spaces so I think that's why he believe the word isn't as offensive anymore but most of us do think it is so why go out of your way to say it knowing that? It's not gonna make the word less offensive. As much as words shouldn't offend us right now it's still a fact of life that it does still offend people. I never use the nword and dont like people using it on me, lots of us feel this way but we also get in OUR culture that its used in the same way two black people call each other brother or sista. If a white person were to call me a "sista" i would side eye them too. Its like two people of the same culture and race recognizing each other. The meaning and usage feels very different when a white person uses it. I thought MOST people knew that by now.
Black woman fan as well. I feel the same way. It’s honestly made me only tune into destiny once or twice a year. I get being edgy but sometimes I just ask why do they want to say it so bad in public? Like I get you have the right to but why do you want to? And if it’s just a word to them … why are they craving to say it? I don’t get it. At end of day If you do say it just like any other action there will be responses good and bad, acting pikachu surprised face from negative feedback is crazy and as stupid as it gets. 🤷🏽♀️🧘🏽♀️
@@frenchieewoo3355 "Craving"? Perhaps it is a human thing. You may not know what it is like, but if you were constantly exposed to a word through music/culture and such and a large part of the population was just casually using it in everyday life like it's no big deal while telling you you absolutely must not say it because of some history you had no part in, you might feel similar.
12:14 you know what’s “off putting”? When someone tries to tell you what words you shouldn’t be able to say; even when the word is only referenced rather than used as a direct slander
no. you don’t get to police black people for reclaiming a word that was used in a derogatory way towards them. my question is why do people feel inclined to use a word that they know offends a group of people??? why do you all want to participate so bad?
@@cymoneh4269 You realize it's the fact that you are 'reclaiming the n-word' that makes it normalized for people to say it, right? It's pretty nutty to me that one group is allowed to say it while everyone else isn't, lol.
@@nooftaheri3502 well only one group was targeted by that word… i’m not sure how it’s “nutty” that said group wouldn’t feel comfortable with other groups using it…
@@nooftaheri3502 but i can acknowledge that the use of the n word does lead to a normalization. however, just because something is normalized within a community does not mean it’s ok for others to participate.
@@cymoneh4269 If that one group isn't comfortable with anyone else using it, why are they themselves using it? And to respond to your 2nd comment: > "however, just because something is normalized within a community does not mean it’s ok for others to participate." If you normalize it in your own community and have giving it a new meaning, what is the issue with someone else using the word in the same context/ with the same meaning? I also want to make something clear. I am not pro saying the n-word, it's a pretty disgusting word with a pretty disgusting history. But one group actively using it and banning everyone else from using it doesn't sit right with me
Proper attire for women in the West Bank is probably as much Kevlar as you can deal with depending on the weather. Not much value in being a human shield if you can’t stop or, at least, slow down an IDF round.
Bro u saying the N word publicly will never get u a dub. Im sorry it just wont. Its pointless and silly. U can argue about the word but saying it is just futile
@@fourtyseven47572 No you are right, but last time it was getting to the point of people expecting him to change his entire character to something else. But still his chat can say the N-word just not spam it too much or say hard-R.
why did she said wanting reassurance that he wasn't trying to fight for let's "liberate" the N word for all when i know (white guy, watching Destiny on/off) that his position is quite clear. Am i missing what she said?
Just hearing grown adults say stuff like "the n word" puts me back in preschool, "the hard R" is THE most cringe phrase to ever be invented talking about a word with Voldemort toddler logic. White people saying the "n word" (lmao) is not only 100% ok but 100% as justified as black people or anyone else saying it, destiny's position concedes too much. Nobody is actually offended by the word itself in a non racist context (song, joke), it's just pearl clutching victimization, they are lying when they pretend they can't tell the difference and that hearing the word gives them a Vietnam flashback. And while saying it to insult is different, even that has nothing to do with racism or any actual beliefs, the point of an insult when you're actually mad/hate someone is to say whatever hurts them the most, it's not about if you actually believe the insult has any validity but if you believe they might and might be hurt by it. The sole purpose of a mean insult isn't to point out valid criticisms but things the other person might be insecure over to cause them the most pain, so even using it then isn't racist unless you happen to believe insult's valid yourself, all insults are fair game. This endless crybaby pseudointellectualism over a no-no word is the most babybrained discourse to ever take place, if you care about the rules of people saying this or any word you're in kindergarten.
The music take-I super agree with! I have loved kendrick since HS but when that one chick came up to rap the lyric he gave her to rap he got irritated when she said the n-word. I thought that was super crappy of him. Also my dad is Jewish and i have never heard anyone say the K- word bc even they dont use it. I get that “we” tried to take the negative value out of the word by using it but it seems ineffective if every time we hear a white person say it makes us feel the way we do. The other huge issue with that is that it is not even well defined within our community who can say it and who can’t. Im mixed (my mom is black) and even I’ve been told i cant use it before. (I look black btw)
Classic. The cycle: Perpetuate its usage, put in songs, movies, shows, etc. -> Only allow "non-Ytes" to use it -> Cry offense when used/referenced by Ytes -> keep Perpetuating and increasing its relevancy -> over and over
Destiny needs to bite this bullet either it’s ok or it isn’t. I’m not sure why he told chat that he’d ban people that just start using it. If it’s not offensive then it’s not wrong right? He can’t sit on the fence on this.
That doesn't make any sense, it's like saying "it's either okay to jerk off or it isn't". Yes in principle it's okay, but it isn't okay to do it on a public bus.
Yeah thats because he was using it to be edgy, he doesn’t believe it’s fine to say the word and that’s why he’s threatening the chat with bans lol it makes no sense
Also check out his debate with the lex guy he just uploaded. Destiny gets destroyed hahahahahahah it’s great to see him squirm and do everything he can to “win” 😂😂😂😂😂
@@korithex you even know his editors name hahahahahahahah, get a girlfriend buddy and go outside, if you try to be like destiny you’ll have no wife and no kids and just be gay JAHAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJAJ
I’m a black destiny fan as well, and while I don’t think he’s racist , watching anybody say the n word who the word would have never been used towards is a bit cringy. I’m a person who doesn’t use the word that often myself.. and wouldn’t be ok with my non-black friends saying it.There are black people who don’t use the word at all because of the history behind it. If he’s trying to expand the types of people that watch his content, then saying potentially offensive things is probably not the way to go about that. He already says the R word like crazy. If an ethnic group or race wants to reclaim slurs that were and still are used towards them, they are allowed to do that, but any white person co-opting these terms is always going to bring discomfort.. because why do these terms exist in the first place?
I just dont think he understands how jarring and uncomfortable it makes alot of us black fans when he says it... its like i have got in so many arguements defending him for not being racist but i cringe everytime he says it.. i know hes sayin it to trigger people like hasan but he's alienating his own fans too.. idk it sucks but i juss took a break from him for a bit hoping he just left this arc alone soon lol
Cultures have the right to gatekeep certain shit. Not really that difficult to comprehend. The argument is against a culture being able to do so. That’s the real argument. It’s not about the word it’s about the gate keeping of the word that is the problem for people. They have boundary issues. The word can be marketed in songs until the end of time and still be gatekeeped inside of black culture and ppl can keep crying about it until the end of time but no one is budging. lol. That’s the reality. Debating about it won’t change it. lol ..and honestly stomping and crying about the injustice of it all is hilarious because it’s so pathetic looking. And I love and watch destiny often but it makes him look soft and i think he thinks he’s doing his big stand. lol.
@@FijyFilms Just because you can physically say something doesn’t mean you should and I know you know that. It’s also not black supremacy saying white people shouldn’t say the n word dawg
@kuroichan101 Yes I'm black. Yes I've been called N word by white people before. Raised in a low income area everyone says it, not in a racist way but just as a word. Funnily enough Hispanics say it more than anyone I've ever heard. So no. Not even phased by it. Maybe if someone called me hard R with malice. But a homie saying what's up my n$$$$. Or rapping along to a song. There's nothing wrong with that in my eyes.
destiny will die on any hill once he hedges his opinion, I'm not even sure he's agreeing with all of his takes. He seems to just let it blow over and then change his stance
At this point I have stopped making excuses for Destiny. He is turning into the terminally online people that he used to fight against. It’s a simple equation for him, black people will continually move away from his content as they get to know him better, but saying the N-word is driving new people to his channel *wink wink… It’s not edgy to say the N-word, it’s corny but it’s definitely profitable.
This is my issue. I don't think destiny is racist, i think he knows he'll farm some good views at the expense of a term he knows hurts people. Seems like he willing to trade the comfort of whatever black fanbase he had, for more views, and because currently he's in an anti-leftist arc due to the Gaza stuff, he's calculated he'll gain more suppprt from racist white zionists, by signaling that he can also trigger lefties and minorities.
She totally didn't understand the concept of somebody's life being entirely ruined by being overheard saying this word, and it has happened several times. It sure saved OJ's ass though hahaha
@@olo_smooth_olo5606 I know it's complicated for your small smooth brain to understand, but I wasn't exactly referring to incredibly rich and famous people.
So sad. My parents raised me to not care about the N-word saying its just a word and I have raised my kids the same way. The black community in America needs to grow up and move on. Stop letting that word have so much power over you. I could not imagine teaching my kids to feel fear and anger over a word. Acknowledge the past but dont let yourself be held prisoner by it.
@@Booniebois Really. If you saw someone with a swastika tattoo on their neck just even as a joke you wouldn’t think that that individual is stupid, immature and/or racist?
@@SirLied And theres 100 movies with actors saying the n word. If you’re trying to portray a message using art then its fine if you use it the right way.
@Brandon-tz5pn So if you agree that context is what makes using an offensive word/symbol appropriate or not, then what was the point you were trying to make on your initial comment?
I feel like destinys new N word arc seems to contradict his old one when it comes to things he chooses to say privately and publicly. He says it's to condition his audience but what about the new audience it attracts and for what reasons. Just such a dumb edgy hill to die on.
The Main point of contention here is, how much does it affect you personally? Enough to Stop watching him completely, partially or Not that Big of a deal?
@@enlightenednormie242but why do you ignore what that comment says tho? The previous big n word hill destiny died on, that legitimately cost him both friends and bridges, was rooted in admission that due to how chaotic the probability of the word having negative impact around others, white people should not say it, EXCEPT in private settings where theoretically you minimize or completely avoid that inherent volatile risk of saying it, so then regardless of what the "main point of contention" is this time around, which idk why is a meaningful point, because there is always a point of contention in any contention..but so why do all the main points from last time get ignored? I think being empathetic to why people feel hurt or uncomfortable with that word solves a lot of the pointless debate sparring
@@rappersorbee The previous N-Word debacle, may have had certain negative outcomes for him(Destiny) but he had clarified his position at that time.Saying the N-Word in private, among certain familiars and under certain conditions, is acceptable to him personally, if it isn't crossing any of his personal boundaries or breaking any essential principles, he'd be fine with using it, which imo, is quite reasonable. In the current situation, he didn't (I think atleast) cross any of those previously established boundaries or his principles. He didn't direct, the usage of the word at any particular black person and there exists No aura of malice, within that usage itself. I think people are dragging this thing out, way farther than it was (at all) necessary. He wasn't being Racist to any particular person because that would entail, using the word, in a fashion, which would be quite easily identifiable as being problematic.
@@enlightenednormie242 see the thing is I understand everything you said, but I think we are missing eachothers contention a bit, when you bring up how he used it now and point to it avoiding any of the hallmarks of being used it a malicious or hateful way, all that tells me is that it's not being used as a racial slur, like the way others call him gus*no where even if it's less problematic than the n word, it's being used as a slur because his background, that's all cool but my issue is that, if you spend time in the world and with black communities, I don't think the n word has to always meet the "racist" checkbox to still being off limits for white people. It's sensitivity, like if a friend's mother died, and you spent a whole day talking to them about yours and how she annoys you, there is a dimension where technically there is nothing morally wrong with speaking about your own experience with family, and there is a ways to do it that ensure you can say it's just what was on your mind and nobody should control what you think feel or say and all these reasons that it actually should be ok to do, but then the friend will still be hurt and feel unseen or disrespected and so if you are an empathetic person, you should not do that in that context, it doesn't have to be anything more malicious than just "wrong time place or person" So the n word exclusively in private argument was hard to argue against because anyone that could disagree is by virtue always excluded from experiencing the use, but now destiny has began using it in public, so sure the context is still not hateful or problematic (which I don't fully agree with because clearly a part of the use is to piss people off or at least to provoke) but still just because epistemically something should be allowed or good, just like Communism in theory vs practice, shit is different in real world where people are more than just logic machines, and there are often contexts and associations that you think aren't there that someone else sees or feels, so the boundary I said he crossed is that he said he doesn't even personally care or want to say it really, but if he did he would be allowed to in private, now he has used it in different settings that regardless of extra moral protections or justification by lack of intended malice, it's still contradictory with the crux of the last n word arc
Its sooo stupid that you put yourself in a position that you have to have these debates. It is basically your immaturity that is the reason your having these debates
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A Friend of mine was locked up a while back.... way before covid and BLM. He told me the N word was thrown around by everyone of all color's especially of they were from the same community. Yes that includes white people. So before there was money funneled into BLM to stir the pot and divide people of all walks of life. The N word was used by everyone especially those involved in the culture. Personally i think BLM was created by raciest to hurt the community they are supposedly representing. Just look at the moves of the leaders, got money funneled to the top of the organization so they can buy 5 million dollar houses and avoid paying taxes just to leave BLM hangin with nothing.
Pretty sure that when Destiny goes to Israel he’ll single handedly end the conflict with his debate tactics (such as eating pizza and saying the n word).
His food takes will be the reason for peace
If he plays Netanyahu the piano, it's over.
Sad what the world has come to when a proud black woman can't say the N word.
oh how we live in a opressive regime...democrats are the real nazis
Anyone can say it but If black people find the word to be so disrespectful they should also not say it/put it out into the world otherwise they're just perpetuating their own problem
@@TeamTrollJkYa u dont see any other group do this
@@TeamTrollJk go say it to a black person then
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As a YT man that is also white I don’t think Destiny is a racist. All he has to do is get a cute black boyfriend to show everyone else he isn’t. Like if you agree
I agree
What is a youtube man?
YES YES YES!
@@regionaldus6067someone who watches TH-cam videos I guess 🤷🏼♂️
Cute back boy?
It's time like this where the question "Do you luh blah peepoh?" Is more relevant than ever.
amazin
Just answer the question, destiny.
really makes you think
I love how she defends black culture as some sort of sacred thing that invented hip hop. It's one of the worst demographics to be a part of and the incarceration rate is super high. The culture sucks and it's philosophies are just downright hogwash. All rappers are hypocrites but not all hypocrites are rappers.
@@m.j.e.5245 Then why does so many people like and follow rap music but no one mess with US country music? Why do so many people follow their style? All country singers are alcoholic but not all alcoholics are country singers
Damn chat was crazy during this call. She was very friendly and made valid points
one could say destiny’s use of the n word is genuinely attracting racists
@@maddylou8173 Nah I thinks its just what you would expect people who are inundated by so many leftists soying out over the most mundane shit ever, that any hint of it even when its not that, will get a certain reaction lol. Not saying its completely fair but yeah...
Nah, we need to stop opening our hearts to people that are so damn sensitive because they want to be. He hasn't directed it at anyone in a harmful way. If just hearing it leave his cr4cker lips is enough to hurt you then you deserve to be hurt
@@maddylou8173Yes we all know how fond racists are of pro-lgbt,pro-women's rights,pro-racial equality people like Destiny.
To be fair chat is always unhinged crazy. The viewing experience and one's ability to actually engage with the conversation is helped immeasurably by just not looking at
Destiny is the bestests black woman
Tree is the best!
Im a fan, but just like other things i dont like about destinys views , the n word shit is just corny but i see how it plays into the hypocrisy of all the people he aims at
Ya a little annoying but it very easily demonstrates the hypocrisy/double-standards as you said. Kinda like a litmus test
I think that the point of him doing it
its annoying though because he seems to not acknowledge that the word isnt used just against black americans but black africans too who rarely use the word unless they’ve been americanized, so it’s already weird enough that other black people are using it but its feels even weirder that white people are using it in the perspective of the many of us who don’t use it. Not everyone knows who destiny is what his stance are about the usage and what his intentions are using it so of course a lot of black people are gonna be upset
@@pootlovato8237 The issue is that if you sing a song’s lyrics and you’re black it’s okay but if you sing the same song and you’re white, it’s racist.
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Lol that’s not the issue and you know it, plenty of rappers had said something to the affect of “yeah if you at one of my concerts and start singing along that’s cool”
But if you just blurted it out loud in front of one of these guys, they’d probably peg you as a weirdo. There’s obviously different standards for different social contexts.
“Where are my Palestinian people at?” lol
They don't have Internet lol
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@@just_a_turtle_chad”they don’t even know the word computer”- Kathy Hochul
@Jrce11 excuse me but did you say you were going to throw me off a roof?
I think my position on this is closer to Destiny's than the caller's. The N word is devastating because of the vitriol and hatred behind its common usage in the past, but that hatred doesn't automatically attach itself to any usage of the word today. There are very innocuous usages of the word as well as very offensive uses. How the word is used matters.
100% agree
Who are you to decide that? No one. Unless you've been impacted by the history of that word you will never truly know what it means to hear the word come out of a white person's mouth. The best thing you can do is don't say it. This lack of self control should not be normalized.
Would it change your perspective if I said I am someone affected by the historical usage of the word? That I have heard the word (in hard and soft iterations) come out of white people's mouths?
Either way, I am a human with reasoning facilities like any other. We don't have to experience things directly to have an understanding of them. Words are not magical, they are tools to convey meaning. That meaning is typically context dependent, so of course the context in which a word is used matters. This is true even of really loaded words like the N word.
@@jpdag05 But the context your ignoring is the stigma, pain, and history behind the word. The context is a white person is saying it which is never okay. Pick one, see race or completely ignore it. If we live in a society where race exists and is recognized widespread then we move under that social structure. Black people "rebranded" that slur for them which was created because how they were perceived by their physical features, less than human, by white people. For a white person to say it, soft or hard, is disrespectful because of that historical context of how white people used it. For you to say the context has changed from now to then is not true. Maybe you want white people to be comfortable with saying and calling you that word but that's not for me and never will be. I want to be called by my name and not grouped with a slur. People should know it's wrong to do otherwise.
@@jemiinou Historical pain is _one_ context behind the word, but there are many others. The race of a person using the word is _one_ context (and not even that important of one in my opinion), but there are many others. I can fully understand why some people are traumatized by the very utterance of the word, but to insist that _all_ people must be equally traumatized is both silly and counterproductive.
To be clear in how I'm using "context," I am mostly referring to a combination of intended meaning, reasonable implication, and likely impact of a particular utterance. these are the things that matter most to me when I hear people speak. Accordingly, an old racist hick calling me nigg** with the hard "r" is received very differently from a random white girl quoting lyrics to a song. That white girl, in turn, is received very differnetly than a white boy who uses the soft version as a replacement for "bro" because he grew up with mostly black friends. My point is that the _meaning_ and _intent_ of the person using the word varies widely, and said meaning and intent are far more important to me than the historical context (at least in individual situations).
Excited for your upcoming trip. Hope everything goes smoothly and you get to talk with everyone you hope to.
It’s become my respect gague. I don’t care if you say it around me, but I will pay attention to how you choose to use it around me and other black people. Most of my white friends just choose not to, and those that do keep it between us, and they don’t “abuse” it like many do. None say Hard R, and as we’ve gotten older they say it less because eventually the adrenaline stops hitting, or they just mature out of it. Being honest it’s corny to just say it trying to be edgy or to “get a point across”. Just say it or don’t, and make sure you’re consistent about it.
I don't use it myself, so I find it interesting how enthusiastic white people are about wanting to use it around me. I don't care if you use it, personally, but I make it known that they can't control how I *personally* feel about them using it.
I feel disrespected by the 80 of us killed in the past 2 months
What if it's a black person completely disconnected from America and black American culture? Or people that barely know English and just parrot their favourite songs? This whole discourse is weird and purely American.
@@PolCoolguy Literally anyone within the black community will tell you that black foreigners tend to get side eyes from black americans when they use the n-word. The reason they get a "pass" is bc there's still that shared history of oppression and slavery even though they aren't descendants of american slaves.
At any rate, most of the people who complain about not being able to say the n-word are actually just upset that they usually can't openly say it without any consequences, since you can technically say whatever you want as long as you're ready to deal with what might happen after your words leave your mouth. It's like calling a stranger's sister a bitch bc you heard him make a joke about it, and then acting like you don't understand why he kicked your ass. See how stupid that sounds?
@@PolCoolguy No, the discourse is not weird, and is definitely not purely american. Black people who are disconnected from black american culture typically do not say the word to begin with, however even for those that do there is still camaraderie based off phenotypical likeliness. That's just obvious. There would have been little to no outrage if the little mermaid was a francophone white person who dyed her hair red, for example, even though technically there's still no connection to the little mermaid's actual birthplace. There are very few black people who care about your second scenario, but the most common response would be to educate them about why the word is wrong. Although by now, most of the world is already aware.
I’m black and I don’t think Destiny is racist but he just doesn’t get it
I think he does get it and doesn’t care. That’s why he does it. What he doesn’t get is why other people care, which is also part of why he does it. He seems indignant about people snapping at him about it because he’s not seeing an issue fundamentally
on god i think it’s something that you have to get
Ya I agree with Destiny on a few things but he does not understand what it's like to be brown in this country.
@@whatoh3407if you’re brown you have literally no place in this discourse. Non Africans-Americans pretending they’re not exactly the same as white people when they use the n word are the worst of them all… someone explain why an Indian dude can say it no problem, but a white dude cant?
He's not stupid. He has a brain and is just another hypocritical liberal.
Destiny's usage of the n word is clearly a statment of freedom of speach from her philosophy plus her own amusment at the reaction of the people that she sees that hate on her. This is pretty clear and concistent behavior from her.
Saying the nword has nothing to do with free speech. It's about how people get upset over a word when it's not used as a way to describe black people
@@youareasock9752 it does not matter the way you mean to use it. using it if you are not black is jarring and disrespectful on its own due to its extremely divisive and racist history. and i don’t get why other people want to use it so bad?? it was reclaimed by black people because it targeted us and we have the right to do so but whyyyy do yall wanna use it so bad?
Or he just wants to call people the N word to describe them as a black person.
@@cymoneh4269destiny wants to use it for clout other people want to use it to be funny or racist, literally no good reason to use it.
@@cymoneh4269 because people despise to be told what to do. And when you're told you can't even use your own body to recreate a pattern of sounds is disturbing to people.
Then there's the fact that there're types of people that we call contrarians, those that do not wish to follow conventional norms and get joy out of clashing with the people that follow the main stream.
Some people like to fight, they get energy for their heated interactions with their fellow men and women (source: fucking twitter). A type of extroverts, basically. And the constant fact that they are told to constraint their expression is insulting to them.
To clarify only yt girls who are both large and have either been raised in a black neighborhood or dated at least 12 black guys can say it. This can be sped up by addition of tattoos
"I can't explain why" then think about it? Like why try and police others when you don't even understand why you feel a way.
She expressly said she's not trying to police language, she's just explaining a feeling that is very real and is evoked when hearing a white person say the n word and the thoughts it's conjured, she literally said she's not asking for a behavioural change.
@@EyesDontCry Saying you aren't doing something isn't not doing the thing, if you're giving all the arguments to not do the thing, and asking if they don't see how they shouldn't be doing the thing, guess what. that's fucking policing language.
my soul needed that lebron jordan part😂😭
Trying to work out when Destiny's community got so racist?
Yeah I dont understand what happened
Israel defense
It's been that way it just comes in waves the orginial N word drama in his community was a long time ago.
This is the issue with n-word discourse, you can pretend like you only want to use it in media or when it's written, but what actually happens is you attract a bunch of racists.
When participating in the comments here I would like to kindly ask you Americans to stop supporting the resurgence of ‘folks/folk’. I do not like the word, it makes me angy 😡
Doesn't have a negative history stfu
The n word in that context is kind of like another form of the word "brother" or "sister" but tacked on with the connotation of having a shared history and lineage of struggle specific to their people.
This is why I think it evokes the feelings it does when not exchanged with someone of the same race.
And notice how it's never another race
Yeah it’s kind of embarrassing to see destiny just not understand that words can have different impacts in different social contexts
Like if you call your gf “sl*t” while dirty talking in the heat of passion she’s gonna react differently to how she would if some random stranger just yelled it at her on the street.
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@@kinginyellow3100 Well, no other race has the shared history that white Americans have with black Americans.
@@earhearthush-up5549Call a fucking whambulance
The fixation on whites not saying regardless of context is about a demand for submission, it's sickening
Funny story, I took multiple classes that were taught by PM Olmert’s brother. Really great guy and won professor of the year a couple of times. Would always hear both sides and encourage dialogue. Was respected by Muslim students and Jewish students
Whoa, you took classes taught by the brother of the giant rock god from Legends of the Hidden Temple?! Oh, the unfathomable and arcane knowledge he must have imparted upon your meager, mortal mind!
Im 41. Tekashi 69 saying the N word was weird to me because I thought he was a clown, fake thug, and cornball. Mexicans saying the N word was weird to me coming from the east coast to the west coast where I only slotted that language for us and like ricans. NYC had its own cultural rules for who was down and that extended to a lot of spanish ethnicities and some white boys too. There is no debate on the N word anymore. Its a vestige of racism at this point. Not that I would advocate for more casual usage of it by people, because even ardent pro black activist have hated that word for decades, and not wanted even us to use it. The word is not debatable anymore. It means something but also nothing now.
Black boys just need to stop being soft and get over a word.
Tekashi is Puerto Rican too lol. I agree with you he was a cornball but I imagine he grew up with a lot of black and Hispanic people so it was a part of his everyday language.
@@SooperSalty slavery in Puerto Rico was abolished even after the U.S. Why do Puerto Ricans with Spanish ancestry get a pass?
I think Destiny has a hard time empathizing with people when it forces a restriction in his style of humor. And, in general, he becomes extremely combative when he feels like people are trying to criticize or worse, vilify him based on a free speech restriction he disagrees with. So sometimes he'll end up building very weird hills to die on. He personally thinks being offended by the use of the n-word or any slur in a edgy humor context is pointless. So he either doesnt care, cant actually empathize with the people offended by it or is just generally afraid of building a sensitive audience. But lets be honest, its not some sort of big sacrfice or slippery censorship slope to agree to not say slurs, at least in a public setting. Even for edgy humor, its pretty low hanging fruit. And to speak on the n-word specifically, just because black people use the it casually amongst ourselves and in music doesn't mean we expect or tolerate non-black people saying it obviously. Everyone understands its a slur that black people have basically tried to 'reclaim'. So everytime a non-black person says it, it feels like they're either ignorant of how it makes you feel, know how you feel but dont sympathize with you or are blatantly direspecting you to get a rise out of you. The first one is surprisingly hard to recognize and theres a really thin line betwen the latter two.
This is the sane take, but a lot of people who have grown up online surrounded by edgy humour would rather feel like a victim than just accept it would be cool for them to leave it alone
Can we just admit that dying on the hill that "only people with this skin color can say this word" is inherently racist, more than using the soft a version of the word to refer to a comrade?
@@m.j.e.5245 its not just a word though, its a word originated from a slur. I agree its odd, but the people who it was used against have turned it into something casual amongst themselves. Now all they ask is that other people don't use it. You can't view it as hypocrisy if you nor your relatives have never experienced the same hatred from this specific slur. You're severely underestimating how fresh the racial issues are in America from a historical perspective. Of course the U.S. is probably 99% fine today, but many of us have grandparents, great-grandparents or other older relatives who were born before segregation ended. Many of us grew up hearing a lot of their frustrations and trauma from an era where casual racism was accepted, especially in the South. It costs a non-black person nothing to simply avoid saying a word. And even when we politely ask you to not say it and explain why we we feel uncomfortable with you saying it, it somehow gets flipped into us being racist for even asking. Its just a basic request for understanding and a little compassion.
@@m.j.e.5245neither are inherently racist, but pushing so hard to be able to use the word comes off as corny and desperate to be edgy
I actually agree with him and would ABSOLUTELY die on the hill that the restriction of comedy is a bad thing. I think people dont even realize that their actual problem is with people who use the word to display power over someone rather than purely the comedic aspect. Its the context that matters, and how it is said. Comedy is like a peak behind the curtain of how people are actually feeling. Now if you build a metaphorical wall to restrict anyone from exploring what its like to use the n word, youre actually creating more problems than youre solving. Another example, ive recently started playing on a minecraft server, and theres tons of kids spamming the n word. now think for one sec why theyre doing it. Probably because people dont want them to. So in a sense, were just fanning the flames of hatred by trying to restrict it so excessively, without asking ourselves what the PERSONS intent was saying it
So if Destiny is so heavily influenced by rap music enough, not to say the N word, is he also making it rain in the club, pushin' weight, and poppin caps in N words?!?
Maybe he should listen to jazz, that black music with less words. Smh!!!
Jazz musicians are famously hateful of rap culture. They see it as the deterioration of their people
Holy shit didn't know the Prosecutor for the International Criminal Court is a DGGer, the way he described genocide is literally verbatim how Destiny has defined it 🤯🤯🤯
Damn that's crazy...
Destiny recognizing MJ is the GOAT & it’s not close! The rule change he’s talking about is: hand checking & it absolutely made defending offensive players much easier making posting big offensive numbers was far more difficult than it is today.
Zone defense made offense much harder. Even MJ said he couldn't play the way he did with zone defense.
Its always weird seeing destiny defend the usage of the slur while being almost entirely isolated from any sort of African/ African American or carribean culture. The idea that listening to rap music makes it harder not to say a slur is weird. If i like anime and udon, does that make it okay to say things disrespectful to Japanese individuals. I get his point that nigga is used in a lot of rap songs, but it's used by people that are black or have grown up around African Americans. Even then, ppl like Eminem and mac miller have never said the slur despite being two influential artists.
I agree, but the Japanese thing is a weird comparison just because of they way the word is being used. He wasn't using it as a slur and the reclaimation of it has made it culturally more of a term of endearment for people of the same race. I don't really know if there's any other sort of comparison to another slur, maybe the f word? Even that's not the same because it hasn't seem the same level of reclaimation from the people originally targeted.
It's so frustrating because I agree with him on so many topics, but yeah this one ain't it.
Nigga isn't a slur, it's slang. The slur is -er
The slang now is more on the level of an in inside joke among black people. Everybody think of an outsider of the group using any of your groups inside joke, it's cringy
Eminem did use the n word in his early years and he has apologized for that. He was pissed at an ex and used it in a hateful way. Which lines up with destinys views. Its okay if its not being aimed at someone to hurt them. Thats his perspective.
In case the other comments nuked or whatever, there's a slang word then theres the slur. The slang is on the level of a inside joke, it's cringy to use another groups inside jokes in general
The difference is there isn't an anti Japanese slur in Japanese media. Anime nerds appropriate Japanese words all the time, just never slurs, because those things never appear in anime.
Eminem dropped the nbomb all the time on stage, he only stopped when he started going mainstream.
Also Latin America rappers drop the n bomb all the time, where are their ties to the African American community?
Two powerful black women going at it. This battle will be one to remember.
Love the basketball bit😂😂 @28:00
For me. Racial slurs are a code switching thing. If you say it amongst your friends and it’s just how you talk to each other then it’s whatever. If I’m not one of your friends and you say it in front of me you’ve misunderstood the relationship we have and that’s just disrespect towards me. Same as if you are in front of your parents or a stranger or job interview or kids you change your wording. I’d assume you do the same when you don’t its a lack of respect and manners and to me that’s the more important issue and also lets me know I can lower my standards of you as a whole.
Yep that part.
The kind of white people who never been around black people wont understand this (so most of this community),
But there are older black people who will slap a black kid for saying that word to them, simply because it’s a sign of disrespect and informality, race not even play there.
exactly!!
This comment section is not passing the vibe check. The daliban needs to chill.
They literally are what they are. You can see his entire fanbase is pro n word.
Yeah Ngl when I first started listening to destiny I was surprised to see that leftists claims about him and his community were mainly overblown.
Now it’s feeling like some weird self-fulfilling prophecy tho, cause it seems DGG is getting more comfortable with actual racism
@@earhearthush-up5549 DGG, YT chat, Kick chat, and the reddit are all different demographics. YT has always been edgier same as kick.
@@BlondeCyborg
Yeah I guess you’re right! That is true. It’s still disheartening to see that even a part of the community I used to think was reasonable, think it’s okay to reply to a black person voicing how they feel about this with minstrel style impressions of them to mock them.
That’s a comment I literally saw get like 12+ likes.
@@earhearthush-up5549
Don't get bogged down by some edgy commenters. DGG is quite a diverse community with varying levels of homogeneous thought and attitudes. Find yourself a corner you're comfortable with and Enjoy the Ride.
DggL 🤙
the thumbnail is absolutely insane 💀
Shot in the dark, is that Shay (sorry to misspell if I did) from Oklahoma and Texas?
F all these politics. When we gettin a sports debate arc?? 😤
Destiny needs to dedicate 3 months to settle the MJ vs LeBron debate once and for all
The Lia Thomas stuff was sports adjacent.
Would be insane. He’s gotta talk some NFL
Being a proud bla k woman, i dont see why destiny can't say it
Sean Murphy, you are not a proud black woman.
I understand debating is apart of destiny’s identity, but i just don’t see why this one is up for debate.
I appreciate the conversation she brought a lot of good ppints
Is the Nebraska arc continuing? 👀
Once the legend of zion patch cycles out, he'll be back to Nebraska steve.
As a new Destiny fan I have to that his coverage of the conflict has been nothing short of incredible, when compared to every other online commentator I've seen. Everything is laid out with facts and data instead of ideology, and whether I agree with his overall conclusion on that aspect, it all seems in good faith and without coming into it with preconceived bias. Going to Israel is a great idea both knowledge wise and career wise, looking forward to seeing the interviews.
Destiny in the mj and Jordan debate is something I never expected
As a black fan myself i get using it for rhetoric sake but Destiny should keep in mind that people are still side eyeing him for it. The part of irony people forget is: what you do still has consequences. If you wanna say the n-word as rhetoric but your black fans are still gonna feel a way about it.
I just think it's cringe personally. Like yea we get it dude you can be effortlessly edgy. But i think that boldness comes from knowing he has a smaller black audience he can risk alienating with virtually no consequence. I mean there's like maybe 8 of us lol but that's something he could reflect on
But he’s shown he doesn’t care or respect y’all.
Nor does his community. Black people in his subreddit complained and they told them to stfu lol
I don’t get what he provides that y’all would allow this disrespect.
@@mindyobiznessMaybe those people need to grow tf up and realise hes not racist
@@mindyobizness I'm not going to Destiny for any black culture or takes on black issues. Basically outside of his anti racist takes they're usually bad. This isn't a black space, it's a political space. So there's room to offend people and I'm okay with that. It's not that big of a deal to me
@@mindyobizness it has nothing to do with respect and everything to do with those black people being sensitive as baby shat. I'm black and the only thing cringe about the way he's used has been how awkward it sounds when someone who's not accustomed to saying it says it.
If you feel alienated it's not because he's too "edgy" it's because you're a baby and he won't bottle feed you
@@noheartx9992 Theres 4 problems
1. If non targeted use of the n word is fine, he should allow his chat to say it, yet he doesnt.
2. He never makes n word jokes around black people
3. It will attract actual racist fans
4. He says it like Riley Reid.
Im black and I cant pretend I get offended when white people use the word, I just want them to be consistent.
That was a good conversation. I agree with her too. Im still a fan. I just dont get why this is a hill hes fighting on because even he admits theres no real context that yt people say it and it doesnt sound extremely weird and forced. But i get his perspective of not wanting his fans to be shocked on his types of arguments in the future.
You're so right, White people should only use the hard R version, that's what feels proper.
@@spiritnone2818say it
100%
He's just principled on free speech. Perhaps you should try figures out your own principles
@@Rhinlordhe literally opposes tge anti Israel protests 😂 and wants them broken up
If you were born in the last 25-30 years, there’s an extremely high chance that you’ve seen the n word used more as a term of endearment than as a racist slur. I have literally never witnessed anyone call anyone the n word as a pejorative in-person. For most of us, it’s use during our entire life has been during cool rap songs and… that’s about it. It’s kinda hard to expect people to see it as some Voldemort-esque word when that’s the lived experience and exposure we’ve had to it.
2:36 ngl that fcking got me xD idk why it was so smooth hahahha
this comment section is weird asl. black people have the right to feel offended by other races using the n-word. the same way a group of women that are friends can go around calling each other a bitch but it feels and is different if a man or someone who isn’t apart of that friend group were to say it and why would you even want to??
I was so scared to view this comment section
I was so scared to view this comment section
Your example is true but you can still say bitch you just shouldn't call women that as a man
Do you not see a difference between saying the word bitch out loud in a non hateful matter and specifically calling a woman a bitch with the intent to insult her for her gender.
You comparison completely fails and shows the difference. You wrote n-word, not the actual word, but wrote bitch without hesitation. It's not even about calling people the n-word, you are not even allowed to say it at all. No other word in the world is treated like this and no, no one is allowed to feel like this about words just being used without actually insulting anyone.
As a fellow black woman fan who've been watching destiny for years, he should just drop the n word shit. It's annoying and pushes black fans away. There are interesting discussions that can be had on the word but just dropping it out of no where on a tweet isnt that. Now if he only wants white watchers then.....idk cuz I feel like they are the ONLY people who would defend this. Destiny is chronically online, doesn't go out into much black spaces so I think that's why he believe the word isn't as offensive anymore but most of us do think it is so why go out of your way to say it knowing that? It's not gonna make the word less offensive. As much as words shouldn't offend us right now it's still a fact of life that it does still offend people. I never use the nword and dont like people using it on me, lots of us feel this way but we also get in OUR culture that its used in the same way two black people call each other brother or sista. If a white person were to call me a "sista" i would side eye them too. Its like two people of the same culture and race recognizing each other. The meaning and usage feels very different when a white person uses it. I thought MOST people knew that by now.
Black fan here, same. It’s the one hang up i have with fully supporting Destiny. He’s only too old for half the edgy shit he does
Black woman fan as well. I feel the same way. It’s honestly made me only tune into destiny once or twice a year. I get being edgy but sometimes I just ask why do they want to say it so bad in public? Like I get you have the right to but why do you want to? And if it’s just a word to them … why are they craving to say it? I don’t get it. At end of day If you do say it just like any other action there will be responses good and bad, acting pikachu surprised face from negative feedback is crazy and as stupid as it gets. 🤷🏽♀️🧘🏽♀️
Lol whatever, stop watching then
Destiny doing the classic self-sabotage when things start to turn in his favour. I feel like he inherited this trait from Xqc somehow.
@@frenchieewoo3355 "Craving"? Perhaps it is a human thing. You may not know what it is like, but if you were constantly exposed to a word through music/culture and such and a large part of the population was just casually using it in everyday life like it's no big deal while telling you you absolutely must not say it because of some history you had no part in, you might feel similar.
I think her concerns are valid but I can see Destiny’s point too.
12:14 you know what’s “off putting”? When someone tries to tell you what words you shouldn’t be able to say; even when the word is only referenced rather than used as a direct slander
'I don't want to language police you, but...' It is real easy, no one gets to use the word
no. you don’t get to police black people for reclaiming a word that was used in a derogatory way towards them. my question is why do people feel inclined to use a word that they know offends a group of people??? why do you all want to participate so bad?
@@cymoneh4269 You realize it's the fact that you are 'reclaiming the n-word' that makes it normalized for people to say it, right?
It's pretty nutty to me that one group is allowed to say it while everyone else isn't, lol.
@@nooftaheri3502 well only one group was targeted by that word… i’m not sure how it’s “nutty” that said group wouldn’t feel comfortable with other groups using it…
@@nooftaheri3502 but i can acknowledge that the use of the n word does lead to a normalization. however, just because something is normalized within a community does not mean it’s ok for others to participate.
@@cymoneh4269 If that one group isn't comfortable with anyone else using it, why are they themselves using it?
And to respond to your 2nd comment:
> "however, just because something is normalized within a community does not mean it’s ok for others to participate."
If you normalize it in your own community and have giving it a new meaning, what is the issue with someone else using the word in the same context/ with the same meaning?
I also want to make something clear. I am not pro saying the n-word, it's a pretty disgusting word with a pretty disgusting history.
But one group actively using it and banning everyone else from using it doesn't sit right with me
Black on black crime smh
48 seconds and no comments. You fell off
This is the new “First”
Fucks sake go outside nerd
Proper attire for women in the West Bank is probably as much Kevlar as you can deal with depending on the weather. Not much value in being a human shield if you can’t stop or, at least, slow down an IDF round.
“I wish I was on the plane like Kobe” is insane
Bro u saying the N word publicly will never get u a dub. Im sorry it just wont. Its pointless and silly. U can argue about the word but saying it is just futile
The dumbest hill to die on
Good thing he doesn't hold any of his positions to "get a dub," he does it because he believes it to be the rationally and factually correct stance.
Oh here we go again, no offense to the girl in the call. But this is just another repeat of the optics police arc again...
Even Tiny is concerned with optics, if he wasnt he would let his chat say the n word no?
@@fourtyseven47572 No you are right, but last time it was getting to the point of people expecting him to change his entire character to something else. But still his chat can say the N-word just not spam it too much or say hard-R.
You had me at "black destiny"
why did she said wanting reassurance that he wasn't trying to fight for let's "liberate" the N word for all when i know (white guy, watching Destiny on/off) that his position is quite clear. Am i missing what she said?
Just hearing grown adults say stuff like "the n word" puts me back in preschool, "the hard R" is THE most cringe phrase to ever be invented talking about a word with Voldemort toddler logic. White people saying the "n word" (lmao) is not only 100% ok but 100% as justified as black people or anyone else saying it, destiny's position concedes too much. Nobody is actually offended by the word itself in a non racist context (song, joke), it's just pearl clutching victimization, they are lying when they pretend they can't tell the difference and that hearing the word gives them a Vietnam flashback. And while saying it to insult is different, even that has nothing to do with racism or any actual beliefs, the point of an insult when you're actually mad/hate someone is to say whatever hurts them the most, it's not about if you actually believe the insult has any validity but if you believe they might and might be hurt by it. The sole purpose of a mean insult isn't to point out valid criticisms but things the other person might be insecure over to cause them the most pain, so even using it then isn't racist unless you happen to believe insult's valid yourself, all insults are fair game. This endless crybaby pseudointellectualism over a no-no word is the most babybrained discourse to ever take place, if you care about the rules of people saying this or any word you're in kindergarten.
Preeeach!! 100 percent correct!
Lol of course they're excited, Stephan Bonellberg is a propaganda mouth piece for them now.
Lol quit trolling. You're definitely a fan
The music take-I super agree with! I have loved kendrick since HS but when that one chick came up to rap the lyric he gave her to rap he got irritated when she said the n-word. I thought that was super crappy of him.
Also my dad is Jewish and i have never heard anyone say the K- word bc even they dont use it.
I get that “we” tried to take the negative value out of the word by using it but it seems ineffective if every time we hear a white person say it makes us feel the way we do. The other huge issue with that is that it is not even well defined within our community who can say it and who can’t. Im mixed (my mom is black) and even I’ve been told i cant use it before. (I look black btw)
Don’t believe the hype,fear of a blank planet
Classic. The cycle: Perpetuate its usage, put in songs, movies, shows, etc. -> Only allow "non-Ytes" to use it -> Cry offense when used/referenced by Ytes -> keep Perpetuating and increasing its relevancy -> over and over
Destiny needs to bite this bullet either it’s ok or it isn’t. I’m not sure why he told chat that he’d ban people that just start using it. If it’s not offensive then it’s not wrong right? He can’t sit on the fence on this.
That doesn't make any sense, it's like saying "it's either okay to jerk off or it isn't". Yes in principle it's okay, but it isn't okay to do it on a public bus.
Context matters
Exactly. He obviously sees a problem with non targeted use of the n word or else he'd allow his chat to say it
@@fourtyseven47572100%. Great point. He says context matters and if it's not directed then who cares? Yet he doesn't follow his own guidelines
Yeah thats because he was using it to be edgy, he doesn’t believe it’s fine to say the word and that’s why he’s threatening the chat with bans lol it makes no sense
Call begins at 9:26
i want to see her song list from last year
When I heard her say "Thousand percent" I knew exactly what was about to happen.
Yup
Can't believe someone else noticed that
@@angelmartin7310 Were was it? I'm intrigued what you mean??
I don't get it?
I don't get it either
Destiny should’ve pulled a power move at the end and said “Anything else, N word?”
Destiny fans are so pathetic hahahaah
@@danoco6385you know we can see you have 100+ comments on THIS side channel alone right? i’m not the one exhibiting mentally ill behavior my dude
Also check out his debate with the lex guy he just uploaded. Destiny gets destroyed hahahahahahah it’s great to see him squirm and do everything he can to “win” 😂😂😂😂😂
@@korithex you even know his editors name hahahahahahahah, get a girlfriend buddy and go outside, if you try to be like destiny you’ll have no wife and no kids and just be gay JAHAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJAJ
@@danoco6385my guy supports destiny witg his views alone
Oh, so Destiny can't say it but every other black woman can?
touch the wall 😂
I just said it a bunch of times
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I say it every morning first thing and right before bed too. It keeps me grounded
😂😂😂😂
I’m a black destiny fan as well, and while I don’t think he’s racist , watching anybody say the n word who the word would have never been used towards is a bit cringy. I’m a person who doesn’t use the word that often myself.. and wouldn’t be ok with my non-black friends saying it.There are black people who don’t use the word at all because of the history behind it. If he’s trying to expand the types of people that watch his content, then saying potentially offensive things is probably not the way to go about that. He already says the R word like crazy. If an ethnic group or race wants to reclaim slurs that were and still are used towards them, they are allowed to do that, but any white person co-opting these terms is always going to bring discomfort.. because why do these terms exist in the first place?
OMG!! The Soy Levels are Crazy here😂😂
When did the Dgg comment section become such a Soy space!??
@@enlightenednormie242 🪞
People should be able to say words, people should not be racist!!
Louis CK n word coffee skit is hilarious
Only time destiny didn't say love you buddy at end of tma call is when he's talking to a black female fan...
Saying eskimo is not f** racist wth is the chat about
The people who get called "Eskimo" (the inuit and yupiks) say it's a pejorative so why not believe them?
@@WoodEe-zq6qv Fuck them for pretending not to know no-one intends it as an insult?
are you coping? are you seething? are you malding?
@@WoodEe-zq6qvI'm not sure that really even matters if the people using it don't use it as a pejorative. Like when a Spanish speaker says Negro
@@WoodEe-zq6qvwhy should I give a fuck?
I just dont think he understands how jarring and uncomfortable it makes alot of us black fans when he says it... its like i have got in so many arguements defending him for not being racist but i cringe everytime he says it..
i know hes sayin it to trigger people like hasan but he's alienating his own fans too.. idk it sucks but i juss took a break from him for a bit hoping he just left this arc alone soon lol
Slurs are just more effective insults. Use em when you get mad enough imo.
Cultures have the right to gatekeep certain shit. Not really that difficult to comprehend. The argument is against a culture being able to do so. That’s the real argument. It’s not about the word it’s about the gate keeping of the word that is the problem for people. They have boundary issues. The word can be marketed in songs until the end of time and still be gatekeeped inside of black culture and ppl can keep crying about it until the end of time but no one is budging. lol. That’s the reality. Debating about it won’t change it. lol ..and honestly stomping and crying about the injustice of it all is hilarious because it’s so pathetic looking. And I love and watch destiny often but it makes him look soft and i think he thinks he’s doing his big stand. lol.
She’s so close to admitting it’s racist to say one whole specific race of people can’t say a word everyone else can 😂
5/25 stream again? Bruh
As a black fan-Imma give this a…L-still love and support
Black supremacy is not okay. Anyone can say any word.
@@FijyFilms Just because you can physically say something doesn’t mean you should and I know you know that. It’s also not black supremacy saying white people shouldn’t say the n word dawg
Somehow black culture is mainstream culture and sub-culture. That's a dissonance that needs to be acknowledged more.
Honestly though in the real world so many non black people say the N word all the time. Doesn't even phase me. So many more problems to worry about.
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Are you even black?? Most black people i know irl would be phased for sure. Have you ever been called the word by a white person? Just curious
@kuroichan101 Yes I'm black. Yes I've been called N word by white people before. Raised in a low income area everyone says it, not in a racist way but just as a word. Funnily enough Hispanics say it more than anyone I've ever heard. So no. Not even phased by it. Maybe if someone called me hard R with malice. But a homie saying what's up my n$$$$. Or rapping along to a song. There's nothing wrong with that in my eyes.
@@jtt99Coon is a slur. You epically Owned this dude by calling him a slur.
Defending use of the
N-word is just corny. Dont know why people wanna die on that hill so badly, its not that deep
destiny will die on any hill once he hedges his opinion, I'm not even sure he's agreeing with all of his takes. He seems to just let it blow over and then change his stance
Why is this video 45 minutes long?
Destiny has the pass. Why is that so hard for you too all understand??
At this point I have stopped making excuses for Destiny.
He is turning into the terminally online people that he used to fight against.
It’s a simple equation for him, black people will continually move away from his content as they get to know him better, but saying the N-word is driving new people to his channel *wink wink…
It’s not edgy to say the N-word, it’s corny but it’s definitely profitable.
I really hope Destiny does not go full twomad and just tweet 1000s a day trying to antagonise drama, ending in some drug fueled psychosis
This is my issue. I don't think destiny is racist, i think he knows he'll farm some good views at the expense of a term he knows hurts people.
Seems like he willing to trade the comfort of whatever black fanbase he had, for more views, and because currently he's in an anti-leftist arc due to the Gaza stuff, he's calculated he'll gain more suppprt from racist white zionists, by signaling that he can also trigger lefties and minorities.
She totally didn't understand the concept of somebody's life being entirely ruined by being overheard saying this word, and it has happened several times. It sure saved OJ's ass though hahaha
Joe rogan, bill maher eminem... yup they dont have careers
@@olo_smooth_olo5606 I know it's complicated for your small smooth brain to understand, but I wasn't exactly referring to incredibly rich and famous people.
Maybe if they had a high IQ they wouldn't have said it at work or social media.
@@ReddFoxx1562 oh no i cant say the n.word. i NEED to be able to or freeze peach is dead
Can you cite any examples of somebodys career being ruined simply for them being overheard saying the soft a?
nebraska steve will NEVER stop using the n-word. its too important to him.
24:00 dont let Candace Owens hear you say that...
So sad. My parents raised me to not care about the N-word saying its just a word and I have raised my kids the same way. The black community in America needs to grow up and move on. Stop letting that word have so much power over you. I could not imagine teaching my kids to feel fear and anger over a word. Acknowledge the past but dont let yourself be held prisoner by it.
Your parents are white
So say it
@@Qthe2Quoting morgan freeman I see
You're tge ones upset 😂 if it's such a non issue then just don't say it and remove yourself from black culture
*My parents and i use slurs when referring to black people.* Fixed it
Are people not understanding the meaning behind the word? Saying "its just a word" is like saying a swastika is just a symbol
Hate to break it to you. It is just a symbol
@@Booniebois Really. If you saw someone with a swastika tattoo on their neck just even as a joke you wouldn’t think that that individual is stupid, immature and/or racist?
Didn't realize that hundreds of songs with the swastika as the album art are hitting the top of the charts every week lmao
@@SirLied And theres 100 movies with actors saying the n word. If you’re trying to portray a message using art then its fine if you use it the right way.
@Brandon-tz5pn So if you agree that context is what makes using an offensive word/symbol appropriate or not, then what was the point you were trying to make on your initial comment?
41:28 “raping… is… apartheid”. lol 😂 it’s literally the opposite. 😂😂😂😂
will you be wea4ing a press vest? lmao i spit my coffee
I feel like destinys new N word arc seems to contradict his old one when it comes to things he chooses to say privately and publicly. He says it's to condition his audience but what about the new audience it attracts and for what reasons. Just such a dumb edgy hill to die on.
The Main point of contention here is, how much does it affect you personally?
Enough to Stop watching him completely, partially or Not that Big of a deal?
@enlightenednormie242 cringe internet people am I right?
@@enlightenednormie242but why do you ignore what that comment says tho? The previous big n word hill destiny died on, that legitimately cost him both friends and bridges, was rooted in admission that due to how chaotic the probability of the word having negative impact around others, white people should not say it, EXCEPT in private settings where theoretically you minimize or completely avoid that inherent volatile risk of saying it, so then regardless of what the "main point of contention" is this time around, which idk why is a meaningful point, because there is always a point of contention in any contention..but so why do all the main points from last time get ignored? I think being empathetic to why people feel hurt or uncomfortable with that word solves a lot of the pointless debate sparring
@@rappersorbee The previous N-Word debacle, may have had certain negative outcomes for him(Destiny) but he had clarified his position at that time.Saying the N-Word in private, among certain familiars and under certain conditions, is acceptable to him personally, if it isn't crossing any of his personal boundaries or breaking any essential principles, he'd be fine with using it, which imo, is quite reasonable.
In the current situation, he didn't (I think atleast) cross any of those previously established boundaries or his principles. He didn't direct, the usage of the word at any particular black person and there exists No aura of malice, within that usage itself.
I think people are dragging this thing out, way farther than it was (at all) necessary.
He wasn't being Racist to any particular person because that would entail, using the word, in a fashion, which would be quite easily identifiable as being problematic.
@@enlightenednormie242 see the thing is I understand everything you said, but I think we are missing eachothers contention a bit, when you bring up how he used it now and point to it avoiding any of the hallmarks of being used it a malicious or hateful way, all that tells me is that it's not being used as a racial slur, like the way others call him gus*no where even if it's less problematic than the n word, it's being used as a slur because his background, that's all cool but my issue is that, if you spend time in the world and with black communities, I don't think the n word has to always meet the "racist" checkbox to still being off limits for white people.
It's sensitivity, like if a friend's mother died, and you spent a whole day talking to them about yours and how she annoys you, there is a dimension where technically there is nothing morally wrong with speaking about your own experience with family, and there is a ways to do it that ensure you can say it's just what was on your mind and nobody should control what you think feel or say and all these reasons that it actually should be ok to do, but then the friend will still be hurt and feel unseen or disrespected and so if you are an empathetic person, you should not do that in that context, it doesn't have to be anything more malicious than just "wrong time place or person"
So the n word exclusively in private argument was hard to argue against because anyone that could disagree is by virtue always excluded from experiencing the use, but now destiny has began using it in public, so sure the context is still not hateful or problematic (which I don't fully agree with because clearly a part of the use is to piss people off or at least to provoke) but still just because epistemically something should be allowed or good, just like Communism in theory vs practice, shit is different in real world where people are more than just logic machines, and there are often contexts and associations that you think aren't there that someone else sees or feels, so the boundary I said he crossed is that he said he doesn't even personally care or want to say it really, but if he did he would be allowed to in private, now he has used it in different settings that regardless of extra moral protections or justification by lack of intended malice, it's still contradictory with the crux of the last n word arc
Shea seems cool as hell
Totally. Low ego. Good faith conversation. Love to see it.
Its sooo stupid that you put yourself in a position that you have to have these debates. It is basically your immaturity that is the reason your having these debates
Here we go again…🙄