Bro i realize what the problem is. Super countering mastery works against you unless you stay at full ki cause it initiates vanish wars. Its better to wait for heavies to vanish instead of super counter. I was wondering why my games never involves more that 3 vanish wars.
Yep, a lot of times you will actually fuck yourself over stopping a combo just to lose ki in a vanish war and be at an even bigger disadvantage. It's important to mix up your vanishes on power moves like sweep gut punch or aerial lift instead of trying to counter everything. Another thing I would consider is to only use super counters against other super counters, to me I believe this is the next real step for defensive meta and once ppl consistently do that, a whole new level of play will be introduced because offense creativity will become spotlighted and how you have to be quick to avoid getting counters. DBZ when you're pacing yourself is a lot more exciting, the natural urge to go aggro is more fun when I know I'm a bit safer IMHO. Right now I'm abusing bubble homing ki blasts. If you charge them mid range, you can z burst right behind people and force them to turnaround from camera and eat ki blasts. I am using Frost, he has paralyzing ones that set up SO much 😅.
@@trapmatrix5942exactly.. how is this man saying super counter mastery if he's getting caught up by vanishes. That means you didn't master anything. You just did a super counter lol and me personally, I never get into too many vanish wars. I know how to super counter and I am a Z rank for a reason but just avoiding all that is best tbh. Connection issues are a thing.
@@ioioioio7263what do you expect the Broly to do those are literally the only skill moves he has? You think he should just not use the abilities when he has them available?? I bet you complain about everything when there is actual real cheese in this game
@@kflaco8961 top comment was talking about spamming "cheese", full power is the best, most spammable skill in the game, and instant sparking too, even more so because Broly's one is crazy fast. So, I don't get what are you even yapping on about since that broly was clearly cheesing with broken Ki refill that has no counterplay... If you don't think that having a perma Ki refill, with an animation that covers you and can chain into actions with no repercussions is not cheese you are clearly not informed and that's fine. So yes, bro shouldn't have played Broly in The first place if he didn't want free wins... The only reason that youtuber picked vegito blue wasn't because he's a fusion, nor because he costs 10, but because if you don't have full power against someone that Is abusing it you have no hope of winning if both are on similar skill level...
@ plenty of other characters have the same full power ki that functions the exact same, if you were good enough to win neutral you wouldn’t be getting bopped on, you can also vanish the heavies instead of supercounter or you can super counter the vanishes instead of getting into a vanish battle. Androids can literally play the same way, explosive wave counters it. Obviously you aren’t good enough to be commenting on the game.
@@kflaco8961 So you Need to play perfect, vanishing everything on delay based netcode, win neutral more than your opponent, assuming similar skill level it's just delusional... While your opponent is spamming a 2 skill point move in a game where you build these in 10 seconds. Ok, sounds like someone doesn't know the difference between coping and being objective. Also not many characters have this ability and their overall kit is FAR worse than Broly, Which means Broly Is the choice anyway. Also you are off rail, I'm not saying it's a free win, that broly player is definitely skilled, but regarding the topic of "spamming cheese" he was by definition spamming Cheese... Also droids are not the same because they get Ki advantage only if they are winning neutral more than their opponents, full power can be used frequently even if you are losing because any action builds up Meter+ losing an health bar. Difference is clear: Droids: you are playing better, you get an advantage. you fucked up? You are constantly at disvantage... Basically requires skill, you get punished for playing worse than your opponent, you get an advantage if winning. This is player skill, having to play Better to get the snowball chance while getting punished for playing bad!! Full power: if you are playing better shit is gonna snowball ez, if you are losing neutral more you still get to use it and having full ki for free Is broken. Basically If you are winning snowball goes crazy, if you are losing you still get to spam the move and always have the ki advantage= cheesing because it doesn't have a counterplay, doesn't require any skill and it's just spamming a button that gives you a massive advantage without drawbacks.
“Skill issue, that’s a skill issue, get good!” Says everyone who’s never dealt with this level of cheese constantly. If ya’ll think what that Broly doing was “skill,” then you should never be having these discussions to begin with.
It actually is a skill issue my guy, been on both ends of that cheese and it is easily counterable, way easier than insta spark. 1. You can pick an android and automatically win. 2. Actual z players leave their recover assist off so you dont get fucked by their z burst dashing endless loop. 3. For the love of god how are you z rank and don't know that keeping on supercountering the vanishes will reset the vanish timer just take the damage and reset. 4. Stop mashing super counter like a mindless ape and actually learn to time it to their slow combo, you will have much more success at it. 5.Please learn to attack with pauses in your combo and be a bit unpredictable not just mash square, especially with fast attacking characters like gogeta, vegito, jiren etc(you're basically asking to get supercountered). So as a matter of fact , yes lil bro, it is a skill issue.
@@Avalions(Note that I am only asking to get better) I understand all but 1 and 3. How does picking an android put you at an advantage in this situation where he keeps getting ki recovery from his skill? Do you mean to say that you can apply constant pressure with an android to keep him from using it? And for 3, wdym by saying super-countering the vanishes will "reset the vanish timer"? From my understanding, they can keep vanishing until they run out of ki, but you can super-counter without using ki, so super-countering is superior in a scenario where you don't miss (though vanishes are way easier than super-counters). Though if I think about it, vanishes give skill points and super-counters don't, so vanishes will give you more options with your skills. I still feel super-counters are superior if you don't miss. Please tell me what you mean
@@thegeaventor2650 1. yes you are halfway correct with android you an apply pressure all the time, you can pick 19 or 20 if you are good at grabbing(so you literally negate all their ki recovery anyways) or you can pick the rest of the others where you can apply pressure all the time and 7 out of 10 cases you will have more ki than them but this does require you to alternate your ki blasts constantly( as a vegito blue main in z rank I have way more trouble dealing with a android 17 super than a gogeta ssj4(. 3. basically when you launch your enemy and initiate a z-vanish followup max times you can follow up is 3 but if they supercounter one of them it will reset so you can go 3 more again that's what that broly is abusing there. So in terms of speaking while super counter is very good and rewarding some times it is just better to not do them and keep on vanishing or eat the damage, especially if you have more ki than the other guy, it is all a matter of ki managing at the end of the day when it comes to supercounters and z vanish wars. When you have less ki than your opponent you should go for the supercounters once to max 3 times in a row, if you succeed and have more ki than your opponent than it is just better to start the vanish again and have the upper hand.(I've seen plenty of ego players who try to supercounter thinking they are cool all the time and forget that ki managing is the most important thing in the game just to end up losing anyways) remember this, the chances of somebody supercountering you more than 4 times in a row are less than 5% probably lol they will mess up eventually
@BEST-sv1jz not really he's fault, the opponent already has a set little combo that gets people that don't do a lot of vanishes so that's why he can win, also he has a couple of cheesy moves that are alternative combos he can use to cheese you out so not he's fault just the system.
So after seeing people complaining about that Broly playstyle, saying that his loops was OP and all that. O went ahead and tested it, and it worked fine against real oponents for some reasons, but then when ahead and tested it against CPU level super, and boy, the CPU showed me that this so called "OP loop" actually has weaknesses and is easy to get out of by multiple ways, sole use resources, some are free. All Im just gonna say is yall complainers need to hit the lab and get good.
Literally the whole game is just vanish wars and having more ki than your opponent. This game needs to be fixed ASAP because it’s absolutely atrocious. No wonder 95% of the Steam player base abandoned this game, and I bet it’s even higher on consoles 😆
@@xblaze20o93 I would defend this any day over other táctics this Game has, let me explain: His playstyle is way better than 90% of the cheese you find in ranked. I would take this over insta spark unblockable with a 4 health bar character with more damage anyday or insta spark ki spam, or a regen health Buutenks. Do you realize he coulda have used Vegito blue? A Char that also has full power charge, has 4 health bar and has way better dmg than base Broly and would clean house even faster. Or if he wanted a slow hitting char that is harder to súper counter cause people love to mash súper counter, then SSJ adult Gohan is a better pick cause he has full power charge, wild sense and a 2 bar fast súper and better damage. If yall fall for a tactic like this is on yall, there are counters to this like this comment sections has already mentioned. At least he is out there throwing hands. He also didnt use base Broly unblockable super like every base Broly, guess you woulda prefered that?
Ngl that broly has by far the most boring playstyle ever. A super repetitive playstyle with pretty much zero flaws. It's really effective since he's automatically allowed to put anyone at a disadvantage and will win every vanish war. And he somehow can predict anytime someone tries to use a super counter. Vanishing a couple super counters is 1 thing but but over 5 in a single match? Is that dude some sort of tryhard CPU? Bro's reaction timing is inhuman.
If you're not spamming buttons, there is a little pause when they super-counter (block animation THEN attack animation) that is really easy to see. Super-counters get vanished nearly 100% of the time when I play online so they're not always great to use. I always have a ton of vanish wars every match because I super-counter
@thegeaventor2650 Sometimes, it's unexpected, and it can come out quick if it isn't expected. I mostly do lift strike combos so i can do a hard knockdown and recover ki. I mostly try to do it as quick as possible so my opponent can't super counter against me. I can vanish some super counters but not every super counter.
You must be a low rank because me and the people I play (s rank - z rank) will vanish every super counter no problem. The timing on vanishes is very forgiving so if you can’t react to that you must be garbage
Bro you okay your corping about the game bro super counters, revenge counters saprkling it what make bt3 better and one of them in your chat said to get ruid of it nah bro nah bro stay if you cannot take the hate stay in xenoverse 2 for been a chicken😂
Are we really calling trash the dude who uses base Broly, in a video where Gogeta 4, vegito blue and FP Jiren were used? Lmao. Oh wait, you called that a "broken combo"...thats all I need to know. I didnt know you didnt play the game, my bad.
I agree imagine if he kept spamming broly unblockable super attacks that’s a vanisheble bro asura six would have been raged quit and proably cried on mic
Honestly people don't talk about the full power move for Broly, Vegito, etc enough. Out of all the cheese, that might be the most of oppressive. I was in the lobbies last night and I couldn't get out of his combos lol. The full recharge into the back shots every time. Can't win vanish wars, don't even have enough time to apply a skill. Ridiculous. Good for him for mastering that, but it needs adjusted lol. More skill counters or something
It's not really cheese. It's just the best for keeping up relentless offense. If you didn't notice this fella using Broly didn't use it for Supers or Ultimates, the dude was genuinely throwing hands the whole time. The problem is that super countering Broly is hard because his attacks are so delayed, so once he gets you, he's got you for the long run unless you've studied the timing.
If they adjust that, they definitely need to adjust insta spark, after image strike, unblockables and health regen skills (súper buu and buutenks). Also adjust Vanish wars and super counter.
Dam he whopped you into xeno 2 .. thats a new level of rage quitting
It really is.
I agree he beat him so bad he made him delete the game ain’t no way
Lmaooooooo oh my god
Man ngl he was cooking YALL! Shit was crazy 🤣
Man Fr 😂
Their is always someone better you lol makes you really think and learn your weaknesses
Perfection would be Proud my guy 😂😂😂🔥
😂😂😂
out of all the sparring zero stuff i watch this has been the most interesting that guy is on another level
Man don’t even transform. Be whooping yall asses in ikari 🤣
Bro i realize what the problem is. Super countering mastery works against you unless you stay at full ki cause it initiates vanish wars. Its better to wait for heavies to vanish instead of super counter. I was wondering why my games never involves more that 3 vanish wars.
Yep, a lot of times you will actually fuck yourself over stopping a combo just to lose ki in a vanish war and be at an even bigger disadvantage. It's important to mix up your vanishes on power moves like sweep gut punch or aerial lift instead of trying to counter everything. Another thing I would consider is to only use super counters against other super counters, to me I believe this is the next real step for defensive meta and once ppl consistently do that, a whole new level of play will be introduced because offense creativity will become spotlighted and how you have to be quick to avoid getting counters. DBZ when you're pacing yourself is a lot more exciting, the natural urge to go aggro is more fun when I know I'm a bit safer IMHO. Right now I'm abusing bubble homing ki blasts. If you charge them mid range, you can z burst right behind people and force them to turnaround from camera and eat ki blasts. I am using Frost, he has paralyzing ones that set up SO much 😅.
I mean not really. Takes some practice but just super counter all of their vanishes. They’ll have to super counter back if you’re that consistent.
@@trapmatrix5942exactly.. how is this man saying super counter mastery if he's getting caught up by vanishes. That means you didn't master anything. You just did a super counter lol and me personally, I never get into too many vanish wars. I know how to super counter and I am a Z rank for a reason but just avoiding all that is best tbh. Connection issues are a thing.
Bro was giving absolute belts
Damn who is this god like super Broly player 😂holy shit
So Gogeta 3 vanash hits did 9k damage but broly did a whole combo and 3 vanish hits 8 k damage i know it's not balance but that's BS
That charged heavy he loves doing before a grab, you can vanish that. There is openings if you look for it.
I saw a few vanish opportuinities, sidestep too.
He was whooping feet😭 I mean at least he didn’t spam cheese…
Full Power spam+ instant sparking is broken as hell 😭. You have no way of winning because your ki is always lower than your opponents.
@@ioioioio7263what do you expect the Broly to do those are literally the only skill moves he has? You think he should just not use the abilities when he has them available??
I bet you complain about everything when there is actual real cheese in this game
@@kflaco8961 top comment was talking about spamming "cheese", full power is the best, most spammable skill in the game, and instant sparking too, even more so because Broly's one is crazy fast. So, I don't get what are you even yapping on about since that broly was clearly cheesing with broken Ki refill that has no counterplay... If you don't think that having a perma Ki refill, with an animation that covers you and can chain into actions with no repercussions is not cheese you are clearly not informed and that's fine. So yes, bro shouldn't have played Broly in The first place if he didn't want free wins... The only reason that youtuber picked vegito blue wasn't because he's a fusion, nor because he costs 10, but because if you don't have full power against someone that Is abusing it you have no hope of winning if both are on similar skill level...
@ plenty of other characters have the same full power ki that functions the exact same, if you were good enough to win neutral you wouldn’t be getting bopped on, you can also vanish the heavies instead of supercounter or you can super counter the vanishes instead of getting into a vanish battle. Androids can literally play the same way, explosive wave counters it. Obviously you aren’t good enough to be commenting on the game.
@@kflaco8961 So you Need to play perfect, vanishing everything on delay based netcode, win neutral more than your opponent, assuming similar skill level it's just delusional... While your opponent is spamming a 2 skill point move in a game where you build these in 10 seconds. Ok, sounds like someone doesn't know the difference between coping and being objective. Also not many characters have this ability and their overall kit is FAR worse than Broly, Which means Broly Is the choice anyway. Also you are off rail, I'm not saying it's a free win, that broly player is definitely skilled, but regarding the topic of "spamming cheese" he was by definition spamming Cheese... Also droids are not the same because they get Ki advantage only if they are winning neutral more than their opponents, full power can be used frequently even if you are losing because any action builds up Meter+ losing an health bar. Difference is clear:
Droids: you are playing better, you get an advantage. you fucked up? You are constantly at disvantage...
Basically requires skill, you get punished for playing worse than your opponent, you get an advantage if winning. This is player skill, having to play Better to get the snowball chance while getting punished for playing bad!!
Full power: if you are playing better shit is gonna snowball ez, if you are losing neutral more you still get to use it and having full ki for free Is broken.
Basically
If you are winning snowball goes crazy, if you are losing you still get to spam the move and always have the ki advantage= cheesing because it doesn't have a counterplay, doesn't require any skill and it's just spamming a button that gives you a massive advantage without drawbacks.
“Skill issue, that’s a skill issue, get good!” Says everyone who’s never dealt with this level of cheese constantly. If ya’ll think what that Broly doing was “skill,” then you should never be having these discussions to begin with.
It actually is a skill issue my guy, been on both ends of that cheese and it is easily counterable, way easier than insta spark. 1. You can pick an android and automatically win. 2. Actual z players leave their recover assist off so you dont get fucked by their z burst dashing endless loop. 3. For the love of god how are you z rank and don't know that keeping on supercountering the vanishes will reset the vanish timer just take the damage and reset. 4. Stop mashing super counter like a mindless ape and actually learn to time it to their slow combo, you will have much more success at it. 5.Please learn to attack with pauses in your combo and be a bit unpredictable not just mash square, especially with fast attacking characters like gogeta, vegito, jiren etc(you're basically asking to get supercountered). So as a matter of fact , yes lil bro, it is a skill issue.
@@Avalions(Note that I am only asking to get better) I understand all but 1 and 3. How does picking an android put you at an advantage in this situation where he keeps getting ki recovery from his skill? Do you mean to say that you can apply constant pressure with an android to keep him from using it? And for 3, wdym by saying super-countering the vanishes will "reset the vanish timer"? From my understanding, they can keep vanishing until they run out of ki, but you can super-counter without using ki, so super-countering is superior in a scenario where you don't miss (though vanishes are way easier than super-counters). Though if I think about it, vanishes give skill points and super-counters don't, so vanishes will give you more options with your skills. I still feel super-counters are superior if you don't miss. Please tell me what you mean
@@thegeaventor2650 1. yes you are halfway correct with android you an apply pressure all the time, you can pick 19 or 20 if you are good at grabbing(so you literally negate all their ki recovery anyways) or you can pick the rest of the others where you can apply pressure all the time and 7 out of 10 cases you will have more ki than them but this does require you to alternate your ki blasts constantly( as a vegito blue main in z rank I have way more trouble dealing with a android 17 super than a gogeta ssj4(.
3. basically when you launch your enemy and initiate a z-vanish followup max times you can follow up is 3 but if they supercounter one of them it will reset so you can go 3 more again that's what that broly is abusing there. So in terms of speaking while super counter is very good and rewarding some times it is just better to not do them and keep on vanishing or eat the damage, especially if you have more ki than the other guy, it is all a matter of ki managing at the end of the day when it comes to supercounters and z vanish wars. When you have less ki than your opponent you should go for the supercounters once to max 3 times in a row, if you succeed and have more ki than your opponent than it is just better to start the vanish again and have the upper hand.(I've seen plenty of ego players who try to supercounter thinking they are cool all the time and forget that ki managing is the most important thing in the game just to end up losing anyways) remember this, the chances of somebody supercountering you more than 4 times in a row are less than 5% probably lol they will mess up eventually
@@Avalions I see, thank you
This hurts too watch 😢
A tsukuyomi is mad wild 🤣☠️☠️☠️☠️
Is Xenoverse good? Can somebody chime in the main difference between SZ and Xenoverse?
Bro that game has been out since 2016. Google is a click away 💀
Insta-sparking is already broken af so no wonder dude was beating yall ass.
He had hella ki
Gogeta 4 and Jiren have insta spark too, have double the dmg, and an extra health bar on top of that. There was no excuse, homeboy legit got cooked.
Maybe it’s just me…
That's was embarrassing. I would have gone to xenoverse 2 for good if that was me
@BEST-sv1jz not really he's fault, the opponent already has a set little combo that gets people that don't do a lot of vanishes so that's why he can win, also he has a couple of cheesy moves that are alternative combos he can use to cheese you out so not he's fault just the system.
i still play xeno bc of cacs🤷🏻♂️
It's you bro get good and earn the Z rank
My hands hurt from this game
Then try your sausage 🌭 or your feet 😂
@@DEMOMLORD7lmaooo
So after seeing people complaining about that Broly playstyle, saying that his loops was OP and all that. O went ahead and tested it, and it worked fine against real oponents for some reasons, but then when ahead and tested it against CPU level super, and boy, the CPU showed me that this so called "OP loop" actually has weaknesses and is easy to get out of by multiple ways, sole use resources, some are free.
All Im just gonna say is yall complainers need to hit the lab and get good.
What's the problem? I dont get whats going on. All I see is hands being thrown.
3:22 This mechanic is so broken dude.
Wtf was that this hurt to watch cant imagine how stream was
Literally the whole game is just vanish wars and having more ki than your opponent. This game needs to be fixed ASAP because it’s absolutely atrocious. No wonder 95% of the Steam player base abandoned this game, and I bet it’s even higher on consoles 😆
When players master the game every match will be like this
you gotta bait him outta the loop. use perseption sometimes in the combo instead of super counter
revenege couter too btw
dang that is crazy the broly player just spams square then R1 until he hits his combo and repeats it, that is just so brain dead.
Well, st least he didnt used any super special move nor ki blast spam, so...
And he also used a 3 health bar character, no 4 bar bs needed, and this 4 health bar char also got insta spark mind you
@@alexferrier5732 bruh please dont justify him playing the same character 50 times. Man will insta spark spam, full power spam and loop you ^
@@xblaze20o93 I would defend this any day over other táctics this Game has, let me explain: His playstyle is way better than 90% of the cheese you find in ranked. I would take this over insta spark unblockable with a 4 health bar character with more damage anyday or insta spark ki spam, or a regen health Buutenks. Do you realize he coulda have used Vegito blue? A Char that also has full power charge, has 4 health bar and has way better dmg than base Broly and would clean house even faster. Or if he wanted a slow hitting char that is harder to súper counter cause people love to mash súper counter, then SSJ adult Gohan is a better pick cause he has full power charge, wild sense and a 2 bar fast súper and better damage.
If yall fall for a tactic like this is on yall, there are counters to this like this comment sections has already mentioned. At least he is out there throwing hands. He also didnt use base Broly unblockable super like every base Broly, guess you woulda prefered that?
I mean asura could have vanished when he went behind him
Bro whooped u to a new franchise 😂? Nah i feel u
Bro had explosive wave and didnt use it a single time as jiren
He didn’t get a chance he was getting beat to bad
Hahahahahaha L
Ngl that broly has by far the most boring playstyle ever. A super repetitive playstyle with pretty much zero flaws. It's really effective since he's automatically allowed to put anyone at a disadvantage and will win every vanish war. And he somehow can predict anytime someone tries to use a super counter. Vanishing a couple super counters is 1 thing but but over 5 in a single match? Is that dude some sort of tryhard CPU? Bro's reaction timing is inhuman.
I would take this gameplay any day all day over the insta spark into unblockable BS everyone does in Z rank.
If you're not spamming buttons, there is a little pause when they super-counter (block animation THEN attack animation) that is really easy to see. Super-counters get vanished nearly 100% of the time when I play online so they're not always great to use. I always have a ton of vanish wars every match because I super-counter
@thegeaventor2650 Sometimes, it's unexpected, and it can come out quick if it isn't expected. I mostly do lift strike combos so i can do a hard knockdown and recover ki. I mostly try to do it as quick as possible so my opponent can't super counter against me. I can vanish some super counters but not every super counter.
You must be a low rank because me and the people I play (s rank - z rank) will vanish every super counter no problem. The timing on vanishes is very forgiving so if you can’t react to that you must be garbage
Bro revenge counter exists for a reason
Waste them stocks if you want to.
Literally the worst move ever 😂 predictable asf and wastes 2 counters
i wished i joined, i might of been able to beat him :/
Oh i shouldve been there i wouldve pulled up again and dropped yall off
We all know you cut the camera off and cried 😂 jk but damn he dog walked you
to counter super broly you just have to use z broly...
countering z brply is a problem ahah
Loll
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Bro you okay your corping about the game bro super counters, revenge counters saprkling it what make bt3 better and one of them in your chat said to get ruid of it nah bro nah bro stay if you cannot take the hate stay in xenoverse 2 for been a chicken😂
Xeno 2 is soo Corny‼️🌽
You can tell he was truly trash because he relied on 1 character and memorized all his broken combo and kept spamming it
Are we really calling trash the dude who uses base Broly, in a video where Gogeta 4, vegito blue and FP Jiren were used? Lmao. Oh wait, you called that a "broken combo"...thats all I need to know. I didnt know you didnt play the game, my bad.
broken combo?? are u serious? 😂 he literally wasnt even using any cheesy tactics
I agree imagine if he kept spamming broly unblockable super attacks that’s a vanisheble bro asura six would have been raged quit and proably cried on mic
Honestly people don't talk about the full power move for Broly, Vegito, etc enough. Out of all the cheese, that might be the most of oppressive.
I was in the lobbies last night and I couldn't get out of his combos lol. The full recharge into the back shots every time.
Can't win vanish wars, don't even have enough time to apply a skill. Ridiculous. Good for him for mastering that, but it needs adjusted lol. More skill counters or something
It's not really cheese. It's just the best for keeping up relentless offense.
If you didn't notice this fella using Broly didn't use it for Supers or Ultimates, the dude was genuinely throwing hands the whole time.
The problem is that super countering Broly is hard because his attacks are so delayed, so once he gets you, he's got you for the long run unless you've studied the timing.
If they adjust that, they definitely need to adjust insta spark, after image strike, unblockables and health regen skills (súper buu and buutenks).
Also adjust Vanish wars and super counter.
there r way to many try hards
Xenoverse 1 & 2 is hotdog water. Eww.
I'm sorry but that's ignorant
Xv2 better
Ew
Just came to unsub and leave a dislike
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