You can also use hydrogen as your sterile atmosphere, which would let you place the fridges above the cookware. That could offer a solution to stretching the fridge section and allowing for more cooking appliances.
You can simplify this build a lot, to build it in the early game. I always build a similar sized room, with a much narrow entrance (to keep the cold in), and as little mass as possible. Metal tiles and temp shift plates take a lot of energy to cool down. You just need a temp sensor above the fridges set to -25. You want to cool the air down, nothing more. At first the temp regulator will work hard to cool the room down, but after a few cycles it will barely run. So long as there is little mass and a small opening. You can even use oxygen as a coolant.
This is the second game that I originally bounced off and then got into after watching you play. First with dark souls and now ONI. Thanks for the help in understanding and enjoying these deep, challenging games.
love this build!! i just looked at every freezer/ kitchen build on YT and their all way to over engineered and complicated. i added a one tile freezer for all the cooked food
Call me a cheater but I use a freezer mod. I do like your setup. I think obsidian is the better material for manually cooled fridges as the transfer of heat happens much faster.
As someone who doesn't like infinite storage techniques, I really appreciate a guide using refrigerators for storage instead of just dumping it all in a single tile on the ground.
This is infinite storage build. Refrigirators just allow dupes to get the food, but once frigdes are full, the tile will start to act as infinite storage. So sorry, again an infinite storage build. (I have nothing against them btw)
I would rather do a 3x4 inf storage, with chlorine for this. The only issues are getting a liquid for the tile (-18 C) and some of the construction work due to the chlorine vent is in the same place as the chute in the same spot. First can be solved with some Oil or/and Petroleum which should be easy to get. Second can be handled with a liquid lock of the liquid you use for the one tile. After those things just have -20 C Hydrogen or something else going through the metal tile and clorine. While the cooling loop for the base has one insulated tile infront of the one tile of liquid (to maintain the base temp). This also generally allows for all the food prep stuff under one autosweeper.
I would suggest Naphta, since hydrogen will take quite a while to cool. And Naphta is much easier to get/manage with a glossy drecko farm. Just FYI there are designs out there for a farm that requires insanely low amounts of dupe intervention, while also generating quite a bit of food and insane amounts of plastic.
@@TheGalifrey agreed. nothing cheesy about the infinite storage method, its quite a challenging pia to pull off. way more crap to work out than this solution. i mean, its no more "cheesy" than just dropping every material you own onto a single tile :)
I build a box around Anti Entropy Thermo-Nullifier filled with hydrogen gas with vacuum liquid lock, and build a simple kitchen inside it. Dupes will put on atmo suit before entering the freezing kitchen.
Only my chefs are allowed to enter the freezing kitchen. I placed a refrigerator outside the kitchen, set the capacity to 2kg and only put the final stage food for dupes to grab. The refrigerator is reachable by auto-sweeper inside the kitchen.
Most build examples won't use thermium or other advanced materials because you're not going to have them when you need to build reliable colony structures like a deep freezer in early game.
It looks like your outer "raw ingredients" fridges are a bottleneck for storage? Like, they're almost full but the finished food fridges are pretty empty. Does it hurt anything to make the outer 4 containers hold unfinished food?
he answers this at the very end in the rambly last minute or two. basically too overly complicated for no real benefit, other than storing 100mil calories. an why would you ever need to? i agree with that assessment
yup. this imo is way better than any of the infinite storage solutions ive tried. they way too complicated an finicky. So what its not infinite? Ive had 20mil calories in one before. wtf will i ever do w 20mil? thanks for the work
so i built this like 100 cycles ago an it works perfectly on the left half the fridges, but the right half refuses to freeze. logically that should be the easiest as the loop comes in that direction. i had a pipe from a cooling loop in there an figured that was the issue, but over 50 cycles after rerouting it the right side still isnt freezing. maybe the grill?? but its on insulated tiles an cooled by the loop. im so fuckin confused. anyone experience this an know why its happening? all steel an gold for heat transfer btw edit: never mind. it apparently, for some reason unknown to me, took 150 cycles to finally freeze everything. left side has been frozen for at least 100 cycles. go figure
Can you imagine? They managed to get into space but still didnt thought out freezer technology.
You can also use hydrogen as your sterile atmosphere, which would let you place the fridges above the cookware. That could offer a solution to stretching the fridge section and allowing for more cooking appliances.
You can simplify this build a lot, to build it in the early game.
I always build a similar sized room, with a much narrow entrance (to keep the cold in), and as little mass as possible. Metal tiles and temp shift plates take a lot of energy to cool down.
You just need a temp sensor above the fridges set to -25. You want to cool the air down, nothing more.
At first the temp regulator will work hard to cool the room down, but after a few cycles it will barely run. So long as there is little mass and a small opening.
You can even use oxygen as a coolant.
This is the second game that I originally bounced off and then got into after watching you play. First with dark souls and now ONI. Thanks for the help in understanding and enjoying these deep, challenging games.
love this build!! i just looked at every freezer/ kitchen build on YT and their all way to over engineered and complicated. i added a one tile freezer for all the cooked food
Steel is the best thermal conductivity you can get for gas pipes, the aluminum is ore not refined metal so it has a much lower conductivity.
Until you get thermium or use a mod allowing refined metals usable as ore.
Really like the simple food storage!
Great build and great timing for me and my playthrough. Effective and simple without being based on exploiting game mechanics
I love tinkering in this game. I stopped counting how many experiments I've started/restarted in this game.
Call me a cheater but I use a freezer mod. I do like your setup. I think obsidian is the better material for manually cooled fridges as the transfer of heat happens much faster.
As someone who doesn't like infinite storage techniques, I really appreciate a guide using refrigerators for storage instead of just dumping it all in a single tile on the ground.
This is infinite storage build. Refrigirators just allow dupes to get the food, but once frigdes are full, the tile will start to act as infinite storage. So sorry, again an infinite storage build. (I have nothing against them btw)
Like a good TV chef, he has prepared his hydrogen in advance... hmmm :D
Omg, so nice you doing it still
We need more something like this.
another solution even more when playing Space Out DLC is to make berry sludge that never spoils.
I would rather do a 3x4 inf storage, with chlorine for this. The only issues are getting a liquid for the tile (-18 C) and some of the construction work due to the chlorine vent is in the same place as the chute in the same spot.
First can be solved with some Oil or/and Petroleum which should be easy to get. Second can be handled with a liquid lock of the liquid you use for the one tile.
After those things just have -20 C Hydrogen or something else going through the metal tile and clorine. While the cooling loop for the base has one insulated tile infront of the one tile of liquid (to maintain the base temp).
This also generally allows for all the food prep stuff under one autosweeper.
I would suggest Naphta, since hydrogen will take quite a while to cool. And Naphta is much easier to get/manage with a glossy drecko farm. Just FYI there are designs out there for a farm that requires insanely low amounts of dupe intervention, while also generating quite a bit of food and insane amounts of plastic.
Great design ! Love how it is not cheesed infinite storage
Just dropping the food in the room is hardly cheesed...
@@TheGalifrey agreed. nothing cheesy about the infinite storage method, its quite a challenging pia to pull off. way more crap to work out than this solution. i mean, its no more "cheesy" than just dropping every material you own onto a single tile :)
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I build a box around Anti Entropy Thermo-Nullifier filled with hydrogen gas with vacuum liquid lock, and build a simple kitchen inside it. Dupes will put on atmo suit before entering the freezing kitchen.
And how they get food to the eating place? Do they go into kitchen one by one?
Only my chefs are allowed to enter the freezing kitchen. I placed a refrigerator outside the kitchen, set the capacity to 2kg and only put the final stage food for dupes to grab. The refrigerator is reachable by auto-sweeper inside the kitchen.
Oh man, I can feel another ONI restart coming on... Must....get....through....work overtime first....
Thermium has the best thermal conductivity. Not much more but it is the highest.
Most build examples won't use thermium or other advanced materials because you're not going to have them when you need to build reliable colony structures like a deep freezer in early game.
why my thermoregulator and thermo aquatuner cannot works... its only 20 celcius only ?
It looks like your outer "raw ingredients" fridges are a bottleneck for storage? Like, they're almost full but the finished food fridges are pretty empty. Does it hurt anything to make the outer 4 containers hold unfinished food?
Almost full is not a problem... yet. Ifcthey fill up you can have the next ones for ingredients too. It is because I am stockpiling sleet wheat
Hi I was always wondering. Why are you not using infinite liquid/gas storages. Is there some special reason or just preference?
he answers this at the very end in the rambly last minute or two. basically too overly complicated for no real benefit, other than storing 100mil calories. an why would you ever need to? i agree with that assessment
The gas tuner produces a lot of heat. Might want to insulate that room and get some liquid on the floor
It produces some heat for the initial coololing, but after that it is marginal to maintain the low temperature.
hehe then I am doing something wrong with mine lol. I like your method of the room with fridges much better than the one metal plate I was trying
Why not use a sealed room filled with hydrogen?
yup. this imo is way better than any of the infinite storage solutions ive tried. they way too complicated an finicky. So what its not infinite? Ive had 20mil calories in one before. wtf will i ever do w 20mil? thanks for the work
how about the heat of the termor regulator??
and the cold spreading out to your base. I would place the regulator above, with the grille, to help counter the cold spread.
@@John15293 I don't think u need that, the oxygen that you spread around the base it should regulate that
It made no difference in the long run. When the temperature is stable it only runs rarely to maintain the temperature
Hydrogen is the best food storage gas as it is almost impossible to liquify unlike CO2 and Chlorine
H causes eye irritation on dupes and CO2 will not liquefy at -20
so i built this like 100 cycles ago an it works perfectly on the left half the fridges, but the right half refuses to freeze. logically that should be the easiest as the loop comes in that direction. i had a pipe from a cooling loop in there an figured that was the issue, but over 50 cycles after rerouting it the right side still isnt freezing. maybe the grill?? but its on insulated tiles an cooled by the loop. im so fuckin confused. anyone experience this an know why its happening? all steel an gold for heat transfer btw
edit: never mind. it apparently, for some reason unknown to me, took 150 cycles to finally freeze everything. left side has been frozen for at least 100 cycles. go figure
hmm not really efficient i will just do infinite -18 storage with a fridge set to 1 kg with the best food inside
Aluminiueum.. no its Aluminum.
Why add fridges at all?
The food will chill on the metal tile, and the carbon dioxide will keep it sterile.
Because of storage in containers and auto sweepers. Not strixtly necessary, but I don't like the setup on the ground.
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