Raw Video | Law enforcement expert shares perspective on University of Idaho murder investigations
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- 44 FBI investigators have joined the case as authorities try to determine who murdered four college students and why.
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I’m just sick about this. My heart breaks for their loved ones. 😢💔I really hope the suspect(s) are apprehended soon.
I am so sorry for the family, friends, community and first responders. My heart goes out to all of you. This is beyond heartbreaking.😢🙏🕊🕊🕊🕊🕯🕯🕯🕯
Shut Up A s s!!!!
This reminds me of a true story of Richard Speck who murdered 8 nurses in a Chicago Dorm, only 1 survived because she was able to hide under a bed as her roommates were Murdered. They were all in their early 20s. Just Horrible
And that was completely random. He had no connection whatsoever to any of the nurses.
Yep. And Ted Bundy ALSO attacked FIVE women at FSU dorm and incredibly no one heard a thing
The first thing I thought of was Ted Bundy in Florida.
That’s horrible
@@bluecoffee8414exactly
I believe there was planning involved just due to the time it occurred. They chose a time when they knew the students would be home and sleeping. Had they went there at 12am, that would have been too early. Even though, most American adults would have been asleep during that time and statistically speaking the vast majority of violent crimes occur between 5pm-12am.
The girls didn’t even get home until sometime after 2am and they likely took some time to eat their food and fall asleep. Whoever killed them seemed to have chosen the perfect time to kill them. They likely knew they were out partying or knew their habits. Doubt this was completely random.
I had a home invasion along with other neighbors while we were sleeping. Meth heads dont sleep.
@@spicyirwin5835 , that’s the truth. I’m just using statistical data, but of course, crime can happen any time of day. Also, you would think the best time would be what’s known as the witching hour (3am). Most people are asleep, so less chance of getting caught.
@@PastaSausta it could be a active serial killer.
@@jlorde8838 , yeah it definitely could be.
Yes, seems planned and someone who was very very angry. I've read some strange comments about the house being too noisy & lots of parties as the motive for the murders. I wonder if the killer isn't in another state by now.
I live in Idaho within 25 miles of where the three young women were from. I have read and heard a LOT about all four of them. Our world has lost four absolute treasures!!
Where you wuh on the nite of the merduhs Jute?
@@KD-nk3ht ive been thinking about how the murderer could be reading comments on these stories and commenting...
@joe jones You aint lyin. An top of thet noitice how Jute done gone on tooda sly quick as I querstioned huh on whuh she wuh on the nite of the merduhs.
@@KD-nk3ht if he deletes this then we'll know...
@@KD-nk3ht can you spell
When it comes to the reasoning of why a knife was used as opposed to a gun, it has to do with stealth. Loud gunshots going off at 3:00 a.m. wakes everybody up, the knife allowed him to complete the mission in silence.
Shooting a gun is fast and over quickly
With a knife more gratifying to the MURDERER and more pain for the victim.
Being rejected will cause a person to become outraged and angry. Causing that rejected person to have so much self hatred for one self. This will cause a person to lash out and murder that one who rejected them. Terrible
@@lucillecampanale8542
In a broad sense, yes. But not in this case. The knife was used for silence because it was committed in the middle of the night in a crowded neighborhood with other occupants in the dwelling. The knife was the only option.
@@kevinseely6632 Being so late at night, they didn't get a break that one of them could escape and survived. That's why the knife so not to wake the others up.
@@kevinseely6632 it the knife was simply used for its utility (silence/speed) they would have had different wounds. Why stab someone multiple times before the killing blow to the chest if your goal was quick and silent? That doesn’t make sense. What makes more sense is that this was either personal, as these types of killings tend to be, OR it was as he said “a true victim crime” and the killer likely got some sort of sexual gratification from it.
EXACTLY! And he brought a huge knife too. He preplanned but they didn't take tight security measures either. I think they were too comfortable in their surroundings.
This is just an horrendous crime. Four innocent young college kids enjoying their weekend. It's just heartbreaking. My heart goes out to their mums and dads and families. Terrible.
What’s a “mum”? Oh..you mean mom. You must be British. Which means you really should focus on things going on in your own country.
They were not innocent
Miles away, why would you be down on someone offering their condolences to the families of these victims no matter where their from?! That is down right mean! 😮
@@milesaway3699 Jeez! What is wrong with you? Out of nowhere rudeness for no reason at all.
I wouldn't call then innocent by ANY means. Not even close.
The are 2 things a criminal does, he unknowingly takes evidence and leaves evidence.
The law of Locard. Good catch 👍
*not everybody, not always.*
@@moshebenamram6020 I think if he brutally stabbed four people in different locations, he definitely not some evidence with him.
I have a daughter 21 in College I worry about her every day. Our kids are so vulnerable out there they are busy, carefree trying to be 21 and also get a Education and be happy with friends while doing that!! Nobody deserves this what the hell is wrong with this world today?!?! Prayers to all the families and friends going through this tragedy 🙏🏼🙏🏼💔💔
It looks like revenge for something!!!
How come the boyfriend dint fight!!!
@@eduardovinuesa7428 he might have been asleep
Sadly the world today is the same as it has always been. Violent stuff has always happened. The only new thing is the internet and social media. May contribute to some pretty sick stuff, spurs on weirdos to action.
Well if the doors had been locked and a security system in place - this may not have happened. Teach her to BE SAFE!
This whole thing is so Sad 😞 I couldn’t imagine what it is like losing a daughter or son in this manner let alone at all parents worst nightmare 😭
This gentleman has a lot of expertise in these kinds of murders. Thank you sir for helping us understand more about what could have happened. I can’t imagine being a first responder and having to deal w/these sights and take care of these victims. Mad respect for them and everyone else dealing with these jobs. It’s beyond sad for everyone-- especially the families who get that visit from the police. 😢😢
@Baronarx V you're missing the point, which I expected you would. Not to mention your baseless googling statistics are a joke. I'm not going to argue with you. We have different opinions about it, but very shallow of you to call me names. These parents need answers and should have them. For you to think otherwise is a disgrace. Shame on you Baron.
@@Danielle-mf6os There are over 30 FBI agents working on this - Are you aware of the vast experience and resources that the FBI brings to an investigation?
@@ddro3443 absolutely! I'm glad they got involved to assist the local police dept. Hopefully they will be able to provide the justice these families deserve.
@@Danielle-mf6os Well unfortunately this is not an episode of Law and Order where the crime gets solved in 60 min. You need to realize they came upon a horror scene and it takes time to process the evidence collected believe me they are working their asses off. You’re ignorance is showing.
What does "mad respect" mean? That sounds insulting.
How evil! I pray to God the guilty are exposed soon. This expert was very easy to understand & I learned a lot.
This case is literally insane to me. Man I can’t get it off my mind.
Same. My mind is racing...
@@maryhall1181 Jesus is not coming ☝🏼
Yes. I live in Idaho 5 hours away and it is still freaky. No faith in them catching the suspect doesn't help either. Feel so bad for their families. Heartbreaking.
@@virgo-in-cyn1537 …Jesus is patiently waiting to come back, because He is giving humanity as much time as possible to choose and follow Him. Jesus wants as many people as possible to repent and return to heaven with Him. 2 Peter 3:8-9 says, “But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is long suffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come
This reminds me of the Amanda Knox case -- an American student in Italy came home from spending the night at her boyfriend's, and didn't realize for several hours that her roommate had been murdered in her bed.
Looking at the home on Google Maps I see that there are many windows from adjacent properties where someone could be watching the comings and goings of the students. I also see that it's wooded in the back of the home making it much easier for someone to enter the property and exit the property without notice. Most security cameras tend to be in the front. Hopefully, the person(s) who did this horrendous act will be arrested soon to give a little peace to the families of the victims, the University's students/faculty, the community and mainly to give justice to Ethan, Kaylee, Madison, and Xana. We all remember being that age, having fun with friends while getting an education and just living our best life. They were doing it. Very heartbreaking that this kind of evil exists to take such precious lives away.
Yes I noticed those things on google street view as well. The wooded area makes me think some sketchy transient as suspect? or yes, all the apartments near by would be able to see/hear this house really easily. Can't imagine the suspect is another student though, seems they would have been discovered already.
And because these are mostly rental properties, there won’t be security cameras. That’s really a bad thing for this case but it’s a privacy issue I guess.
@@captaincrunch1707 You are right, "property for rent", no outdoor security cameras, otherwise the police and reporters would be telling about obtained data.
@@DesignRhythm yes, I don't think a 20 year old would be clever enough not to be caught quickly. I'm leaning towards the person who drove them home was scouting for girls to take home and garner an invite in.
@@alexanderverikostonen3926 we had a case here where the police never mentioned how they were able to follow and track the perps vehicle till after the perp was caught
Please dear God bring this killer to justice! May he be captured and may he be brought to justice in your name Jesus. AMEN 🙏🏻✝️💗💙💗💗✝️🙏🏻
He, how do you know ?
What a great interview. The expert is very informative and speaks in a way that anyone can understand.
Former Unified Police Chief Chris Bertram . He’s Brilliant.
Everyone needs to be watching for someone with possible bruises and cut hands.
Check who bought the $70K Range Rover for her. If its not the parents, then that's your guy, and I bet it was a professor. Professors date the students ALL THE TIMES, and his ego couldn't take that he had to share her with the young guy. I was a lecturer at a similar large party school, professors dated the students regularly, completely out in public, coffee shops, cinemas, parks, motels, etc. Check the professors the girls had classes with in the last two years.
Never thought about that. Maybe the family comes from money and they helped her or gave her money for graduation. But if not, I doubt she made enough money as a server at Mad Greek- was she the one who worked there?
@@LosAngeles-le2bf If the family could buy her a Range Rover, they would have money to send her to a much better school. I am telling you, check all the girls' professors, everytime there's a major crime in a university town, your first suspects are the faculty. Those people are completely out of touch with reality and think that they get the same protection off-campus like on-campus.
@@NorceCodine She may not have gotten the grades for a better school or maybe just didn't want to go anywhere else
@@Jac-Jay Don't want to sound callous, but Moegen was dating older men to finance her lifestyle. Look at the cars her room mates were driving, $5K - $6K Honda Civic and Toyota, and then she drives a $70K Range Rover top-of-the line luxury SUV.
Only the buffoon Moscow police is focusing on the knife, LAPD or NYPD would have checked on day one which of her professors was making payments on a Range Rover. You think Moegen qualified for that kind of credit buying a Range Rover? LOL.
@@NorceCodine Wow, nice comment, slandering a murdered girl. Karma lives kiddo.
This house has to go. Once this is done, the house needs to be bulldozed. Never felt this strongly about a murder house before.
Absolutely!
Thank you for the only brilliant words stated so far in this horrifying case! I am so sorry for these lovely peoples loss of Life, I am close to this, as I have a young loved one attending U of I, and lives very close to the tragedy house. It keeps us up at night, praying for every one of the loved ones who lost a huge piece of their heart and soul. This is pure evil. Thank you for being so smart and kind, this is a lot of really good information.
Well said. Have you thought to take your loved one out of school until this is solved?
Make sure they add cameras to their apartment/house and one in a kitchen or main area of the house.. lock doors when at home and when you leave.. always lock doors
What the heck is going on in this country?
What kind of brutal and depraved mind could do this.
Kids cant be " happy go lucky " anymore ,because the " lucky" is gone.
Kids have to look out for each other more nowadays.
I want to see this guy when they catch him.
Police should canvas the whole area to see if anyone has been acting out within the year.
I think people who aren't trained in criminal behavior, victimology etc tend to underestimate their actual & systematic complex approach to crime solving.
Idaho is weak and does not carry out the death penalty. There won't be any justice for these families. You'll just get more Walking Evil, totally unafraid of the "justice" system in Idaho.
The hardest thing for me to imagine is how somebody completely soaked in blood was able to find his way home without being noticed. My best guess is this was a neighbor who likely lives alone.
Agree 💯
Or someone who came prepared and suited up , brought clean clothes shoes etc. Bagged up the stained clothing and left . Very sad situation
This is the first in-depth reporting of information I have seen since this tragedy. Of course it will take time to unravel all the information in order for questions to be answered. Given the complexity of evidence in a four victim crime of this magnitude, at last we can now better understand the hurdles law enforcement faces. God have mercy on their souls and the families of these young people. They likely will never recover. I would not. Thank you for your professional reporting.
Someone said they would never draw the blinds on the windows. Strangers could see all thru the house from the street. And they are people watching. It is amazing so many bad people out there all amoung us. They even had a sex offender living down the street from their house.
Everyone has a sex offender living down the down the street. Have u ever looked a t sex offender map. Zoom out and u can't even see the states anymore just covered in red flags.
Next block over and one across the road
Oh "someone said" huh? Well nice job spreading the victim blaming 👍
There’s a website. You put in your address and see how many sex offenders live in your area. It’s creepy but they do have to be registered for a reason.
Excellent analysis, the best i heard so far on the case.
Imagine being in college right now where this happened. I would absolutely NOTgo back to that campus until this freak is caught !
Same! I would not go back until caught. Absolutely no way in hell.
Same! Just knowing there is a maniac on the loose is terrifying…I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night thats for sure. Every bump in the night would scare me half to death.
This guy is great! Fox News needs to pick him up since they've been covering this more than most. He really knows what he's talking about and is very well spoken. Hope to see more of him.
Don't know if anyone mentioned this yet, but this is very reminiscent of the Brentwood five in Calgary. Five University students murdered at a house party in 2014. They were all stabbed to death like this case, which shows you can have multiple knife deaths at one location even when it's only one perpetrator. Just sad to hear horrible news like this again. Very sorry for all the families.
Who did it?
@@goldenpal Actually the perpetrator in that case is a victim also, unfortunately. A friend of one of the party goers who was invited over, had recently experienced schizophrenic symptoms and he had a full mental breakdown at the party that evening. He was apprehended a few hours after the murders, not far away. I Grew up a block from where it happened.
@@sahb4049 Yes, a victim of US medical cartel! There is no such thing as schizophrenia (or “mental illnesses), it is the drugs (usually prescription but also street drugs and even some all natural substances can act like toxic mind altering drugs, and alcohol) that are usually the cause of the symptoms/behaviors such as hallucinations/anger/anxiety/confusion/insanity/violence that lead to diagnoses of schizophrenia or other “‘mental illnesses”! Drs then make diagnoses and prescribe more mind and body altering and damaging drugs! When anyone takes these drugs at first, or could appear it is helping calm and make the patient feel better because these are neurotoxins just like alcohol!!
So the Medical institutions and workers keep getting wealthier and so does criminal “justice” system and police/prison and legal system, psychiatric, and pharmaceutical and political and WHO, NIH, etc... keeps gaining more and more power over citizens as more people put their trust in these people and institutions instead of in Christ! So none of them have any incentive to help prevent or cure most mental or any diseases, unless the citizens start realizing what is going on and provide Christlike accountability! The solution is to slowly and safely taper off psych drugs (or most every drug, including street drugs and alcohol)! Beware that the medical cartel will rarely tell you this and will often even try to sabotage your efforts to taper off safely! Most schizophrenics and bipolar etc... make the mistake of trying to taper too quickly without a healthy support system, and then they go insane and people rush them back onto toxic harmful drugs! When staying on a consistent level of drug poisons the body will compensate and adjusts and will seem to behave “better”! drs corruptly keep people in a perpetual stupor and this damages the mind and body over time!! But the medical personal profit greatly! And government then makes more laws and forced drugging to take away more rights and control people more and more!
Most likely the murderer in Idaho, is on some natural or prescription or street drugs, or alcohol and/or has internet gaming or porn addiction making him go insane and leading to immorality and evil and attacks like these!
@@veritaslux644 You are ill informed, and making blanket statements about serious mental ailments is irresponsible. Some people need medication, don't tell them they don't.
Excellent analysis.
Many thanks.
Prayers for the young victims and their loved ones. 🌹🇦🇺
They were stabbed in their living quarters with a knife? It was definitely personal somebody they knew whoever it is the police have already talk to them
They were adults. Not little.children
@@brittanylynn8323 You again? Please stop trolling 😑
@@13thJ all 4 stabbed in the living quarters? Get real 100% they were asleep
@@HI-pi1er no they were not actually. One of the family members who gave an interview said the crime scene had blood all over the walls and the killer was sloppy. And then that family member made a comment suggesting that the male or one of the others was found in the hallway near the staircase
And that’s why little fella you shouldn’t put 100% unless you know what you’re talking about
Cuz you was 100% wrong
And living quarters would include their bedrooms it means they were in a house you know where a person lives they’re called living quarters I didn’t see the living room so sorry to burst your bubble it’s obvious you were on here dying to troll somebody and try and call somebody else for making a mistake because God knows you’ve never made one oh wait a minute yes you did when you came on here and said 100% when you didn’t know what you were talking about
Bwahahahahaha
Just absolutely terrible and breaks my heart. Whoever did this need to be found swiftly. Ethan's parents did an interview and said Ethan was visiting and staying the night with his girlfriend meaning he didn't live there and was in the same bedroom with his girlfriend. Also many of the college students that attended that school are now home. So tracking down many of the fellow students will need to be tracked down and detectives will have to travel to interview these students.
He must have been one who faught back.:-(
The killer may not have known he was there. Seems.
I watched that interview - the lack of emotion really bothered me - imagine your son was murdered in this fashion? I wouldn't be able to say a word without completely melting down . . . . weird to say the least.
@Rebecca Barr lack of emotion? No...I felt sadness and even despair from the Mom and the way her voice kept cracking and the Dad just looked shell shocked. Did we watch the same interview?
Everybody grieves differently. They literally just had their lives completely rocked and in the spotlight no less. It’s got to be a complete out of body experience and an insane trauma, so it is not helpful to judge or criticize the families response. Let alone, there be expected to have some playbook text response.
No. They contact police force in the area of where the students are located the fbi is involved
We are most at risk when we are asleep. So vulnerable.
I choose to not live in fear but to be very aware. I double check garage door is closed and all doors are deadbolted. I think sometimes people think quantity of people will make us less of targets. This person didn't care about the number of lives inside.
This guy is giving us more information than the police on their updates about this case. 👍
Really respect this teacher and investigator. Bless everyone this Thanksgiving. Love to all the families. My heart aches.
Finally someone intelligent and on the right track. This is a mass school killing and it’s about peer rejection and a fixation on victims and weaponry. Please don’t let this killer hurt someone else. He has nothing to lose now and he is likely to harm himself and/or others.
idk- Time stamp 8:13- "This is a true victomry" Um.. yes McFly! These are victims!
This is so heartbreaking
One of the girls it was said started telling her family two months ago she had a “stalker”.
This is the most salient information stated so far.
Thank you for taking the time to educate, explaining complex information in layman terms. Wish you had a podcast or youtube channel. I'd be the first to subscribe.
I would too!
A few weeks before the students were slaughtered, three animal mutilations were reported just 2 miles away - a dog was skinned, a rabbit was found decapitated and skinned, and a cat went missing. This is a serial killer.
Ultra-RED Flag; unfortunately they can’t create a panic environment!! 🫵🫵🫵🫵🫵🫵🫵
Lol but didn't kill the dog. Almost every expert has said that's the least likely scenario.
@@bossup648 Because the dog was spared; seriously, or because they don’t want to create a panic. I’m going to go with B on this one!!
I went to UI many years ago. It’s such a small town and it’s not a huge university, it’s hard to imagine something like this happening there. Not only that but I remember a story about another murder of a UI student about 30 years ago. They never found a body, but a student went to a party at an apartment and disappeared. That place was also known as a “party house”
I wonder if it was the same house?
GREAT analysis. Here's my 2-cents, which might be worth less than that. This might be someone whose been rejected by or kicked out of the clique. Jealousy/Rejection=Revenge.
Spot on that's will be the stupid reasoned
This crime seems a little too extreme for a rejection from a group..but possible I guess. The VA Tech shooter who killed 32 was ostracized.
I think it’s very possible. Could be someone rejected during the evening out.
That is why this tragedy is so mysterious. Random serial killer or rejected college person?
@@moe4meswtdg More likely a local who cruises bars in a college town than a student. Someone who expected to get lucky but was rejected. They might have a physical job in a trade and routinely go hunting for game. I think men like this are never far way from guns or knives.
Thank You… it was very insightful, rather than another regurgitation of the few known facts.
Exactly.
I know it’s professional terminology, but I dislike the designation “true victim” crime. It implies that if the victims knew the killer they are not “true victims”. That they might somehow be responsible for their own deaths.
I don't know why they don't take veteran military people veteran police officers and use them as security on the school grounds many retired veterans know exactly what they're doing
This was a private residence. Nobody keeps veterans on handy at their house unless that veteran lives there. Combat experience is fleeting in America at this point anyway.
this was over a mile away from school.
This happened in a home off campus that is a bit isolated. More security wouldn't have helped in this case.
The USA has to salve the problem by its roots! Changes that have to be made are: much better education, much better healthcare system and no more poor and homeless people!
@@SN-bl6xm agree
I would think he's onto something about peers...because sadly these 4 were the typical college type and beautiful people and popular, and it's easy for people to feel less than or feel ignored or pushed aside even when the ones they feel are mistreating or ignoring them aren't even aware their doing it, because they really aren't, but it's perceived that way, especially if someone is socially awkward.
Such a sad, sad story. Evil is real.
God be with these families.
Debbie Lemons It's absolutely devastating and I also considered that angle, because the young women were very beautiful and the young man was good looking and some people are extremely jealous, especially nowadays, so would've despised them for it, not to mention their popularity!
I just hope they'll be able to catch the person who did it ASAP and wish these horrendous crimes would stop happening. 😭
Best analysis of the murders get this guy involved he’s thorough and good
Your bedroom has a door for a reason. Put a locking handle on it and close bedroom door and lock it every night. If they'd done that then they might have not been murdered. I can't even go to sleep at night until I know my bedroom door is locked. And keep a weapon in your bedroom that you can quickly get to.
This guy knows his stuff 💯
Excellent questions. Very educational tutorial about crime solving.
I wonder if possibly the suspect was a former roommate that had been kicked out of the house. The house is a 6 bedroom home. And the other two girls were also targeted but because one of the victims fought back, the suspect was injured and fled before he/she could get to the other two.
Good point. There is a keypad with a password that was known by many students. I am sure that has been looked at by the investigators.
They believe he came in through the back sliding door and it was open .
I like your theory.
Please find out the facts that Police have reported as ALOT of the fundamental facts you have wrong.
I believe the attacker became exhausted after fighting 4 others and fled knowing he couldn’t carry on.
Wouldn’t it be hard for one person to kill 4 people without anyone trying to fight back. Maybe it’s more than one person ... definitely someone that’s close to them.
One victim had defensive wounds, only one
Many killers have killed more than four in one house alone.
@@jlorde8838 with a knife?? They must be super experienced
@@ooperblownup that’s soooo sad , this is so tragic. Praying they will find the perpetrator very soon.
@@badmoonrising_007 just imagine a grown man with a Rambo knife and a headlamp using both hands to thrust that blade into your neck throat while you’re sleeping. Sorry, maybe only an mma fighter could offer resistance that type of attack. The initial wound is fatal = you can’t breath too well with a hole in your neck full of blood. There was only one couple there and so this perpetrator had some skills to disable them both TOGETHER at the same time. It’s a terrifying crime as imo these victims never had a chance
Using a knife definitely makes it personal
No. Bundy used all sorts of crazy weapons.
Definitely makes it quiet.
Or Latino
@No Name When your fight or flight hormones go off you don't feel pain, the body goes numb. I am sure you know that from when your daddy yelled at you and beat you with a belt and made you piss your pants.
@No Name you have a screw loose.
How did a man soaked in blood find his way home without being noticed. Certainly there was a trail of blood to be followed. My best guess is that this is a neighbor who lived alone.
This was very well done. I appreciated the educational value of this interview. Here's an expert who really knows his stuff. It will be interesting to see how the whole thing plays out and some of these ideas come to fruition. For anyone writing fiction based on true crime, this is a goldmine.
Yes, but it was all generic crime scene information - nothing specific to this case.
@@DesignRhythm we dont know details because it doesn't matter. We have been trained to believe things to either fear or not believe this kind of stuff happens. Take the information as a clue to be observant and prepared for this type of thing. If it is possible it is a true concern. Be prepared so you dont have to fear. We are in an information war. Truth is the prize that we the people are fighting each other for. Both sides can have the prize if we dont fight each other.
@@reidhansen7030 I'm just looking for more information on these killings. I already knew all the info this "expert" had to offer.
@@DesignRhythm look for my other comments on this video below it answer any questions.
Who exactly is he interviewing?
This guy is the best interview I've seen on this case. So knowledgeable. Well done.
When the bodies were first discovered, WHY did the police initially say there was no danger to the community,
I mean four people just got literally slaughtered and the perpetrator is at large. How is this NOT a danger to the community.
WTF???
I think that was PR from the University nkt wanting students to freak out. Yes, absolutely ridiculous statement to make all things considered.
That’s fair. One can assume they have a suspect that they’re watching. However, if someone has the nerve to do this then who knows what they’re capable of. Imagine that lunatic with a couple semi auto firearms and wanting to go ham before being caught by the cops
Because you can’t create a panic 😱
Sick people out there. Hopefully the perp gets caught quickly.
This whole case seems really strange!
Excellent, professional reasoning and speculation about this case!! Does law enforcement have the ability to subpoena facebook or Instagram to make inquiries about individuals who frequented the female students pages,? Most serial predators cannot resist keeping tabs and consistent look ins on their targets....just wondering...
The prosecutor is doing exactly that.
Good point
Yes they do
If it is a case of LE having a suspect(s) in mind and wanting to check Instagram logs for that person(s) , then yes.
If it is a case of LE not having a suspect and just wanting to check each and every guy that browsed their IG, LE might be legally blocked from doing that.
This world is terrifying,those lovely kids murdered like that is horrific so so sad
I think that all 4 were killed because it was someone they knew or came in close contact with and one of them could have revealed who they were. I would assume they've looked at the bar surveillance as well
A girl frantically trying to call her ex boyfriend and no answer. What happened that she felt the urgency to phone so many times? Why was he ignoring her calls? That sounds like a disagreement or something that he saw and she tried to explain and he did not want to listen ... 🧐Having teenagers and having seen the obsessive behaviour some boys could have over girls is very worrying. The question is why would someone kill all 4 unless they were asleep and what relation did the person have with all 4 to be so angry them all? But how does one person murder 4 people on their own and just leaves the house unscathed. Someone must have some injuries or some evidence on their body that the have been involved in a murder. I just think it is someone who was very angry and it was murder committed in rage. Dog mustbhave known the person because ournlittle Toy Pom will wake a whole house if anyone comes near a door outside never mind inside. I know this because we had a break in and our dog went crazy. Just my thoughts...
I Agree about the dog I have a dog and nobody can come to my door without him completely bark and he barks at people that even walk down the sidewalk so if they came in I’m sure my dog with attack
All good points. I have heard there were some defensive wounds - they didn’t specify on who, but at least one person tried to fight back in some way, shape or form. But like you said, how and why does 1 person murder 4 people?! My only thought is the perpetrator went around trying to find their intended victim, but like you said, the dog not making noise typically indicates the dog knew the perp in which case likely knew who’s bedroom was where. On the flip side, the dog could have been frightened and hid somewhere depending on what kind of dog it is, which I haven’t heard anything about yet.
Senselessly tragic case that the whole country is anxious to see it come to a close - hopefully sooner rather than later.
The cops Forsure met and questioned that nerd ex bf and would have inspected his phone… seen all the missed calls and determined if he was in fact home all night or if there was any possibility he could have been at the scene. He was eliminated as a suspect.
@@marcopolo-xj4yw bit soon to eliminate people. Also how many people have been "eliminated" just to be arrested later. 🤔
What I don’t understand is how no noise was made my any of them while being attacked. I can’t believe that none of four victims raised the voice or knocked down a pice of furniture while being attacked. If one of the victims had defensive wounds there was then a struggle, and nobody could hear anything? Or the victim with defensive wounds was the last to be killed?
I don’t get it 😢 poor souls. RIP
Excellent, speculation free analysis.
The laxidasical attitude towards this crime from the beginning is so creepy! How do you say the community isn't at risk!?!?! These police and even the Dean acted sooooooo laxidasical from minute 1 so if reports were made about an incident like stalking before the murder will mean a ball was dropped and coverup actions may have been the focus at the beginning.
Being part of a sorority doesn't entitle these young adults to behave badly. If they were in my neighborhood, and disturbed my peace at night, I would call the police too.
This was so sad!!! My condolences go out to all the families!!! They were beautiful people and had their whole lives to live. I hope they can find this person/persons that perpitatied this haynous tragedy!!!
“Who fascinated with knives” youre in idaho my guy.
Hard to understand why.
Even after they catch the killer we still won’t understand.
I have such a hard time comprehending evil I know it exists but I just can’t believe people are this depraved
@@maryh6953 Too many cases.
BELIEVE IT!
World gone wild.
He was on point about investigators being good at keeping a secret, and not saying anything to not tip off the killer. They did an excellent job!
These young people think bad things happen to OTHER people. They would never be targets, they think.
SUPER smart & well intelligently spoken ex LE, now private investigator! Very impressive fellow! Very knowledgable & insightful. Impressive.
How could the guy walk away covered in blood with not being noticed? Either he planned this very very well, or some people are not coming forward yet with info.
Happens at 3am. Not many people to see him
Sooo odd
It also was at 3-4 am tho
The killer must of left a trail of blood foot prints with such a bloody mess from killing those 4 people.
Could have brought spare clothes to change into
U aren’t safe anywhere anytime , we know this from human history now ,,,I would panic if I’m in Idaho university or know them
this guy knows how to answer a question while giving a perfect lecture on all possibilities. i like him. would hire him on the spot.
Absolutely wonderful interview!!!
I think Ethan probably gave the killer all he had. The thing that strikes me is this individual came in and had complete control over these 4 people. It’s one thing to best a 6 foot male like Ethan in a fight but it’s another to restrain another male who is presumably fighting for their life. This person probably isn’t a stranger to a gym and may have a muscular build. I’d be curious to see the profile the BAU has developed for this killer.
they think he attacked Ethan in his sleep. Xanas dad said she had defensive wounds so that leads me to believe he attacked Ethan first and Xana awoke during fought back but lost
They were asleep. He had an advantage.
Remember the Gainsville slayings? Rolling surprised the male flatmate of one of his victims in his sleep - a physically very fit young man. The girl was his primary target, but he knew to take out the male first. This reminds me a lot of that.
From the style of his communication I really felt like he sincerely believed in what he was saying...
What happened to Kaylee's dog what happened to her dog in the video maybe they could take the dog if they're having a funeral and the dog will recognize the smell of the person or person that did this horrible thing to her and friends
The dog is a puppy. I read that it was found wandering the streets days after the crime. It is too young and not trained to alert on who it would recognize as the killer.
My theory, the killer was already inside the house and entered while the kids were out partying. I believe he was hidden somewhere upstairs and waited for lights out. He then killed the poor girls as he knew they were in the same bed together because he was already inside watching. Ethan and Xana downstairs heard something but didn’t get up until the killer made his way downstairs and proceeded to kill them so they couldn’t call 911 or identify him. 2 of the kids had defensive wounds which means they were not asleep when attacked and fought back. I believe the killer was going to go down to the girls on the bottom floor but got spooked after having been fought back against so he left. I also heard the girls downstairs had their doors locked which may have saved their lives. He may have thought the girls downstairs heard something by the time he was attacking Ethan and Xana who were likely to have fought back so he took off before he could finish by going downstairs.
Some girl on tiktok said that one of them was a “bully” at school and that it could be a kid from school ? She wouldn’t say names when I asked not saying it’s true but she lives in Idaho and said she went to school with them
Thank you for approaching it from a Rational⚖️and Intellectual⚖️Perspective. My background is Criminal Justice and Paralegal. Analysis and Science is the crux for every investigation. Most important ..."Discovery" can never be compromised. As one of my former Criminal Justice Professors said Pretaining to "Discovery". "Working a case is the same as building a house of cards, it is that fragile". He left it at that, and allowed silence to punctuate the weight gravity and big picture meaning of his statement.
RIP U of I STUDENTS 🙏 Condolences to your family and friends at this difficult time. ✝️😥
Turns out that everything he said was exactly right. Brilliant.
Sexually motivated crimes do not necessarily have to culminate in physical penetration in order to qualify as such; there are a plethora of behaviors and/or acts which would constitute sexual assault other than actual penetration. Sometimes, the mere act of stabbing can be sexual in nature to the offender. Furthermore, the offender could have intended for sexual assault and was unable to do so (perhaps the fantasy was thwarted due to the male in the home).
What if the kilker had been invited over and they let him in? Planning a menage-a-trois. No disrespect, but the girls were enebriated. As a "party house" pretty sure lots of wild things go on there. They were in the same bed. It could explain if his clothes were not bloody making it easier to escape. Could have showered. Maybe didn't intend to engage sexually at all, intent was just the murders.
@@Shadidi2 There is absolutely no evidence to indicate that they "invited" the offender over to their house, let alone that they personally knew him. Standard investigative procedure begins by identifying and interviewing those closest to the victims, then working their way out. This is called victimology. Moreover, there would be a record of contact/communication with anyone invited to the residence that night.
For him to go in and commit a crime like this? How do they know it’s a HIM not a HER
It could be someone that be hiding in plain sight and they knew who it was remember the guy who killed those 2 girls he was"hiding" in plain sight
I find it really difficult to see a college student being this brazen. Doesn’t it seem as if this person has the confidence of experience?
This man is very intelligent and appears to know exactly what he is speaking about. I truly hope with the help of the feds this case will have a conclusion and sometime soon. Rest easy-- to all the victims.
MAN????? WTF
@@charlesparker8452 what?
Very helpful interview. Thank you.
Could be a random crazy from the Twitch feed. One victim had reward points with the food truck, is that truck usually at that spot with the live feed? Does the reward card thing require her address to sign up, could it be easily accessible? I don’t know the first thing about knives, is there such a thing as cut proof gloves? I wish I could literally help find the bastard(s)
Rewards usually go to your email
Yes the food trucks are there regularly. He does live feeds every weekend I believe. I saw the food truck owner, who took their order and did the transaction, interviewed on a local Idaho TV news station.
My thoughts exactly!
I used to collect knives and I usually carried one with me when I lived in Los Angeles because the crime was so bad. Especially in the Downtown area. My friend left a Club drunk and he got beaten up and robbed. These people wait outside Clubs to prey on drunk people walking around by themselves.
It could be a woman. Be careful, it might not be a man. Yes, a knife is unique, because it is not loud. Rather a subtle way to kill others in the middle of the night. Where was the dog? Was the door really closed? What about the Uber drivers? Did they see something? No one should be excluded as a suspect.
HOW THE SUSPECT KNEW THE VICTIM'S TIMELINE SO PERFECT, KNEW THERE WAS NO DOG AND NO CAMERAS AND KNEW THE LAYOUT OF THE HOUSE, THOSE 2 SURVIVORS ARE SUSPECT #1
They called other friends to come instead of 911 🤔
@@MrPiggy-sg6nz yes they did and why is nobody asking what time roommate became concerned about one of the roomates, what time did she call friends to come, when did they arrive and what were they doing until that 911 call was made?? I know what I've heard no mention of at all and that is the fact that nobody apparently even bothered to go to the rooms of the others living there! Why would that be? I'm sorry but the statements from roomates being reported on contradict one another, none adds up since we've heard 3 scenarios of where they slept, what they heard or didn't and why, why they locked door and why, did they take Murphy into room with them and if that's true then how d8d he manage to get outside house through open front door? I'm suspicious of roomates because that's how they are portraying themselves.
Agreed
After actually watching this video I must admit that I was impressed with the speaker. He's quite intelligent and has an exceptional knowledge base in this regard. He's certainly someone who's contributions can be trusted. I apologize that I had prejudged him at first. I had not viewed the video whatsoever but simply began my diatribe out of anger towards someone in a personal relationship and he became the recipient of that displaced anger. I owe him an apology here. I'm very Sorry sir! Thank you for sharing a wealth of information and your contributions to the law enforcement community and criminal psychology field. Edited to ask.... Is there a possibility that you could re-interview him at a later point in time? I'd be very interested in hearing his thoughts when more specific information is disclosed. And if so, could you ask him his thoughts on the possible relationship between an earlier event where a family dog in the NE area had been skinned and the perpetrator had removed the pelt and taken it with him. Or possibly the earlier knife display on the University campus pathway? Thank you.
If this was a sorority house, maybe someone was socially rejected as a sister pledge... I think it is that time of year for voting/pledging, isn't it? Perhaps the pain of a social rejection led to even a family member or close friend taking revenge for them, if not by them alone. I'm confident investigators have checked that list. A more intimate rejection by someone for dating, sex, marriage, it seems would be less likely revengefully directed at so many.
nah its right next to campus but these are apartments, duplexes. At first I assumed it was some weird stalker or estranged lover. Not so sure now, I live here btw.
It was a rental home off campus, 3 stories.
Highly unlikely this crime was done by a female.
Someone who had been rejected by them might take revenge with a knife.
A close friend of someone who had been rejected by them would never take revenge with a knife. Or even kill them.
It has to personally involve them in order to rise to the point of killing someone..
It is in fact a sorority house... It is a rental, but Beta girls have first dibs on renting it
Excellent questions!
It's my humble opinion that Kaylee was the primary targeted victim. And that the offender initialized at the Corner Club sport's bar which was a mere half mile from the Grub Truck location. If and when more details are forthcoming from the investigation, you will note the trauma expressed in her particular case will be different or much more violent than the other's in the residence. I apologize for being to the point here as I realize that some people, including friend's and family of the victim's would believe me someone without compassion or sensitivity. That's not true. But I also believe in being direct, not beating around the bush or witholding element's that should be known. I also feel the offender would have displayed certain behavior's at the scene that of course would not be disclosed to the public as hold back. Whether this individual has killed before is a matter of debate. But there's no doubt in my mind that due to the violent nature of these homicides he has a serial killer mindset and will certainly comitt subsequent and similar crime's in the future. Cellphone metadata can be a great tool in such investigation's. They've been used to pinpoint a suspect's location in very close proximity to a crime scene at the moment of the offense or within a very short time line.
Why do you think Kayleigh was the primary target?
@@tje5553 Just guessing here. Or possibly simply a case of holdback.😊
@@chrisiman2406 you sound like the killer.....not even joking.
The fact that Kaylee and Her ex boyfriend Jack Ducoeur's dog Murphy was present within the residence during commission of the crime and yet didn't bark or otherwise become alerted expresses a familiarity with the offender. The fact the animal wasn't somehow dispatched by the intruder when he entered the residence also suggests that the dog was of no concern to him that says quite a lot here. The fact that he could navigate the residence in near darkness or at the least low level lighting and kill four people in separate bedrooms on two floors, the second and third floors tells me he entered the sliding glass door at the rear of the structure and not the from the front ground level entrance. It also has a keypad locking mechanism etcetera.... I've been reviewing a few suspicious occurrence reports from this jurisdiction prior to this situation. A few have captured my interest. One is the knife display at the University pathway and the other is the mutilation of the dog in the NE a few miles from the CSL at King. I don't particularly believe in coincidence when it comes to violent behavior's of such nature. I go more with conditional probability. For those who are not acquainted with this term, it merely is the likelihood of an event or outcome occurring, based on the occurrence of a previous event or outcome. There have been no homicides in this town of some 26,000 for seven years. I have not been able to locate any reports of family dogs or other domestic animals being skinned. These event's occurred in a relatively short time line. I won't go into any detail here. But I did find it interesting, intriguing, that the location of the earlier dog killing, the location that I feel the offender initialized at the Corner Club Sport's bar where Kaylee and Maddie had been prior to going to the Grub Truck location and then home, the time frame involved, et cetera.... The line from the mutilated dog recovery location and the CSL at 1122 King Rd. Just happens to pass in very close proximity to the Corner Club sports bar., Which is a mere 100 feet to the right if the line. Sure.. This means nothing in it's own and can be seen as a simple coincidence to most. But as I said, I don't believe in such coincidence especially when I have not disclosed the entirety of my geospatial analysis. Just giving other's a little hint to ponder as to the whole picture.
Your kids are not being watched it is not safe. As you can see after this kind of murder I believe the community is at risk.they arrested arrested the wrong person. They are still out there. Believe me. The college kids know it is not Brian Kolberger. these kids were killed by the company they associated with, and is not this guy? There are so many people connected to this murder it is unreal, God help you and your kids!
Anybody with a K-bar has probably shown it to a friend in the past. I mean, those knives are huge. I'm surprised we didn't see an arrest by two days.
With six people especially college age people living under the same roof sometimes theres some drama. Sometimes there's a roommate that is a problem and gets kicked out and replaced with someone new and the ousted roommate might hold a grudge. I wonder if anything like that has happened recently. I think they knew who did this.
Yeah, I think jealousy is the probable motive.
@@judithpetree6329 I thought of jealousy as well! 😥
He completely avoid the question,,do you think they know who it is????
There is definitely something strange going on in the US. There have been multiple groups of 4 killed within the last few months. Then there was the family of 4 that went on the run after telling local police to notify the Department of Homeland Security that their lives were in extreme danger and that homeland security would understand.
Is there possibly a group or serial killer going around doing this?
That's what I think it might possibly be.
everyone is losing their minds and turning into monsters. this is happening like everyday
For some reason I feel it may be connected to all the cartels / fentanyl trafficking from Mexico. They do these kind of bloody massacre type murders.
@@ryancuda45 Is it really happening or just reported more? You have access to crime on TH-cam 24 hours unlike in the past.
I've thought it's serial killer from the beginning.
Awesome break down !!