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New York Giants have fallen 'out of love' with QB Daniel Jones | Pro Football Talk | NFL on NBC
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Daniel Jones stinks. Always has.
Giants are idiots for overdrafting him and resigning him
Perhaps the guy who was the most accurate QB in the league in 2022 and set a playoff record with the worst receivers in football is much better than your feeble brain can comprehend.
@@beefoneeto Easy to be accurate when your not throwing the ball vertically... dan Jones in 2022 had a YPA of 6.8 which is horrible, he threw 15 TDs in 16 games and only had 3200 yds.. he's stinks!... Fans like your are the problem, because you accept mediocrity!!! Expect better from your QB, especially when he's making 40m a year!!!
Hiring Dave Gettleman set this team back years.
YEARS!
It’s funny because I made a joke about why would you trust a Boston guy to run a NY franchise. But dude literally ran the Giants like he was trying to sabotage them
@@Guttagangboosie102talking about Shane?
@@Cutthroatnaj I’m talking about Gettleman I don’t even know where Joe Schoen is from
Daniel Jones was a Dave Gettleman guy. He was the one to reach for a subpar QB. Cannot believe he spent the #6 pick for Jones. And the year before using the 2nd overall pick on a RB (Saquan). When the Giants clearly needed a QB in a draft many people thought it was a good draft for QBs. Lamar was on the board and so was Josh Allen. Gettleman is and was a joke of a GM
Broncos fans know Drew Lock isn’t the solution. He is a tease, a qb tease. He has a good arm, he can run, he has bags of personality … but … he can’t process the game. He doesn’t have the head to play qb in the NFL. In Denver he spent two months watching film with Peyton Manning, trying to teach him how to read the field … didn’t work.
Yep, all the physical talent in the world but just cant process the game fast enough or make consistent choices with the ball.
He didn't get s real shot in Denver the coach hated him and didn't want to draft him
And he didn’t have Brian Daboll so we’ll see…won’t we?
Diehard giants fan. The only consistent with the dysfunction and continued dysfunction with this organization is and will be John Mara until its not.
My Giants,they have done everything possible to make jones look terrible, they haven't put the rite pieces in place dysfunctional is not the word, Horrendously out of sink , go giants
Giants fan here. You’re either a part of the problem or the solution. It’s not true that the Giants have not tried to help DJ. They have invested heavily in the O-Line with draft capital and through Free-Agency with lackluster results. They have tried to surround him with weapons, Golladay, Barkley, Waller, Nabers, Robinson, Hyatt, and etc..Daboll and Kafka have attempted to tailor this offense to DJs strengths yet he continues to make mistake after mistake and play losing football. When are you and DJ Truthers going to realize that it’s just not the O-Line and maybe DJ has to be held accountable? Will it be season 7,8,9? 🤦♂️
He sucks.
This is WHY...ATTITUDE!!! is more important than smarts and" studies"
You can draft a players for his brains🧠....WHAT ABOUT DYING TO WIN! 🏆
We have very little evidence that the Giants are out on Jones. The media is out on him and many fans but just because the Giants were looking for Maye , doesn’t mean they are out on Jones. Everything in this is media speculation and not based on the team
They tried to trade up for Drake Maye. That's all the evidence you need.
Mike Florio just making up pure nonsense. Scraping the bottom of the barrel for content. Patriots were never trading there pick and it's better to get playmakers now so the next QB has something to work with.
@@TankZappa it’s just evidence they liked Maye. I’m not saying they think Jones is the best QB ever. Just that all these “the team has soured on Jones and want him gone” narratives are media driven and not based in reality
If you’re trying to sedate someone else while in a relationship you definitely out 😂
You can’t just look at his play and figure it out for yourself? Dude, he sucks
Jones is a one read QB with zero pocket presence....time to move on.
It’s simple. Motivate him to be relevant enough for himself to attract the next suitor while simultaneously using that motivation to continue the development of the team they’re setting up for the next person. Other than the injury clause in his deal, Daniel not staying beyond this season is the worst kept secret in the league for 2024.
Teddy Bridgewater once said 3 years ago he will be watching Drew Lock 5 years from now as a successful starter in this league. I guess he was right and it will be for the giants
I'm in the belief that Mara told Schoen that he wanted Jones as the QB and then Jones played well and won a playoff game and Schoen was forced to give Jones a contract that if truth be told Schoen would had preferred to draft, but in 2022 there was no QB worth drafting and in 23 they were picking 25th and this year the QB that they wanted was out of reach.
The Hunt Family stays out the way and their team is always contending for the conference championship.
And super bowls
Not always. We’ll ever since they got Mahomes
@@buddysteele7624 yeah, they werent shit before reid got their
So…… you’re saying you really don’t know history
Got it
Having one of the greatest qbs in NFL history also helps.
If Mara was the one pressing the buttons on Jones' contract then how can he fire them after this season if Shoenn and Daboll were against what ruined the progress?
Does anyone think Drake Maye is going to save a team like the Giants or the Patriots? Go and look at his record at UNC. 17-9. Those 9 losses came in his final 11 games of both seasons. He went 2-9 down the stretch of 2022 and 2023. Both seasons he failed to beat his intra state rival NC State. That's at a middling ACC school which is better known for it's basketball team. Meaning he had no pressure on him to win. None.
But he’s still better than Daniel Jones and Mac Jones. Drake Maye is better than the Joneses
@@Hengel_Andrewsyou need a SPECIAL QB to turn around a terrible franchise. A guy like Daniel Jones could easily be an Alex Smith caliber QB on the right roster. But a team like the Giants need more than that
@@Guttagangboosie102 Alex Smith is drafted over Aaron Rodgers because he’s that talented. Alex Smith was just mentally lazy and weak. His best two years came when he had someone he felt he was only a placeholder for behind him (Patrick and Colin). Daniel Jones isn’t a modern starting caliber NFL quarterback. I can’t think of a comparison for him.
The Giants weren't really trying to get Drake Maye. If they were they would've offered way more. All of this narrative creation by media is silly, but the fans fall for it. "Janiel Dones" is the Giants QB per the owner John Mara, don't forget that. Nobody is taking his spot unless Mara gets tired of him.
Why were the Giants ever "in love" with Daniel Jones. They seemed to believe that if they paid him like an elite QB he would become an elite QB.
You’re using hindsight. He passed for over 300 yards and 3 tds against Minnesota in a playoff game. In a year we were excepted to do absolutely nothing. To be fair they didn’t need to pay him as much as they did. They also could not let him walk after that season
@@meechrawls This is exactly what I thought the day they signed him to that silly contract. The numbers don't lie. He was an average QB at best. You don't sign a guy to that kind of contract because he had one good playoff game.
Fr and that failed 😂
How many starting qbs are there in the league? If you’re not in the top ten in annual salary, then how did they pay him as an elite qb?
@@michaelmdl they gave him all that money after one good season and now they can't get rid of him so hes gotta be the starter which is insane because Jones hasn't really played good at all fr 💯
It doesn’t matter on what team new QBs usually loose games when they come into the NFL! Lock in a new offense against the Qb who has won a playoff game. You go with what you know. We shall see
They will regret not taking Penix Jr!!
Yup
This aged well!! lol
Yep that’s why they drafted a QB….oooops!!! Been wrong all offseason and still doubling down on ignorance!!! Lol
We’ve known this for quite some time.
Is Drew Lock Kerry Collins?
Totally agree with the take on the ownership, and that's primary ownership, because sometimes the apple falls far from the tree.
Just continue building the roster and get the team better. So when the QB position is rectified, they will be coming onto a good team.
Joe Schoen wanted Drake Maye if he could steal him or get him at a bargain price. Mike, You make sense. However, you are presuming that Daniel Jones will be bad in 2024. I don't understand your opinion. Is your opinion based solely upon 2023, when the Giants had the worst offensive line in the NFL, no big-time receivers, Saquon Barkley at less than 100%, and conflict among the coaching staff? What I dislike most about pro-sports, especially the NFL, is the fans and the media forget that the players are human beings: Daniel Jones is a human being. So is John Mara. John Mara sees the Giants' players as people first, which is the reason he meddles. By the way, he is an owner of the Giants: it is his asset and his money. He feels responsible for the situation that Daniel Jones finds himself: a. becoming a starter before he was ready; b. having three coaches in five years; c. having four offensive coordinators in five years; d. being pounded like rocks by chain-gang prisoners. Moreover, does it help Daniel Jones and the Giants that the media hates Daniel Jones more than it hates Donald Trump? I note that anything positive that has been done by Daniel Jones, and there has been much, has been ignored. Where is Chris Simms when we need him?
I think Drew Lock has also sneakily developed, while he was in the shadows. I suspect that he's gotten better than we know.
The Giants are one year removed from winning playoff game v Vikings & Daboll getting Coach of the Year. 2023 O-Line decimated by injuries. Still, could have easily been 9-8 (Rams, Jets, Bills).
To close out a difficult season, they stepped up and beat the tar out of the Eagles. With upgrades across the board, I expect Drew Lock to take over. He's better able to stretch the field and has matured on and off the field.
This season, I will enjoy watching a lot of NFL commentators eat a lot of crow, or Eagles, Falcons, Ravens or bird of choice. More hardware will be coming Big Blue's way.
I'll say this. You can want to move up in the draft all you want.if thw Pat's were asking for some ridiculous haul of picks and players I'm glad they didn't. That's the definition of a reach
The Giants passed on 3 other 1st round QBs. All 3 were drafted in the top 12. Ownership still loves Jones even if the coaching staff doesn’t.
They were first round QBs because it was a QB desperate draft. It doesn’t mean that they’re 1st round level prospects. They tried to get their guy “Maye” but they couldn’t. Instead of getting a 2nd-3rd round level QB they opted for the BPA.
@@young9869 Atlanta wasn't desperate for a QB. The 1st round QBs were all deserving of the round even if they were pushed up a few picks. The Giants could've even taken a 4th round flyer on Spencer Rattler. No skin off my back. Keep Danny Dimes and Tommy Cutlets.
@@derekb2405 it’s clear they want to move on from him. Why would they try and not trade up if they weren’t wanting to move on? Also Bo Nix is not a first rounder. Neither is Penix (maybe a late first). They had their guy and they couldn’t get him. They then went and got the BPA. If they got a lower caliber QB they’d have no WR1 for them and they’d be
Exactly! Been saying for years that Mara is a meddler.
@@young9869having Daniel Jones as your starter is desperate.
Drake Maye hasn't taken a snap. Let's relax about how good he is.
Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, Mac Jones... All of these QBs are failed just 3 years in. Let's not get ahead of ourselves with declaring what these prospects haven't done. Nabers is a fantastic prospect and all anyone can talk about is these QB prospects. Nothing is guaranteed. If you look back at the 2021 draft all the skill and other positional players selected in the top 10 are doing REALLY REALLY well. I think the Giants did just fine.
Jones sucks
@@Cutthroatnaj Never said he didn't. I just said look at the track record of spending high draft capital on QBs. It's not a great return. On the flip side skill and positional players in the top 10 tend to do really well.
Jones will be sitting by week 12 … can’t allow him to get hurt or the giants won’t be able to cut him at the end of the season
All media has the same spin now. Think for yourselves. He's my quarterback. Fix the fn line.
I have high hopes for Drew Lock. The dude has an absolute cannon and seems to be finally putting it together.
He needs an OL!
Daniel Jones got injured on a play he had the ball for 11 seconds. A bad Oline doesn’t give 11 seconds or have their team rush for 2000+ yards. Daniel Jones is the problem.
He needs to learn how to read a defense …..every team is gonna play him the same way til he proves he isn’t scared to attack downfield
Why not draft a developmental QB in the latter rounds? Rattler went in the 5th, Mixon in the 6th and Pratt in the 7th. Those 3 could give Jones a run for his money
Not sure why the Giants signed him. Didn't the team watch the film? He's shown you he's not good every single year.
No mention that he lost his whole offensive line while he played and it was historically bad
Daniel Jones. He of the 22-36-1 record. That's a lot of capital that he's earned. 62 TDs + 40 INTs. 13 TDs rushing + 46 Fumbles. 75 TDs total + 86 INTs/Fumbles. Daniel Jones is a subpar QB being paid like he is Patrick Mahomes.
Hater
didnt expect who the fook reference from florio lol
Sometimes letting the coaches and gm's do their own thing they may result in them making questionable decisions like picking a qb in the first round that make fans and others scratch their heads or be angry. I remember when Ditka went all in for one player when coaching the Saints. omg... I think owners have to have a say despite the negative consequences they might bring. The sht must roll down the hill for anyone in the organization being a knucklehead. Unfortunately some owners are not competent and are not easily and quickly removed from their role to the detriment of the sport and their unfortunate fans. grumble grumble... Thank you for the very very good analysis and passion for football. I get smarter about football and life every time I watch you.
Falling out of love with DJ? Yeah? Is that why they drafted a QB? Oh wait......
The way everybody is talking trash about Daniel Jones, he might end up playing a good football 🏈 in 2024.
wtf? why give him mega contract then? lol
I keep hearing this narrative. Mara made them sign DJ and will also fire them this year if it goes to hell. If it goes to hell because of DJ I feel like Mara is self aware to not do that. Mara is a good dude also. I know people who work in that building and some close with him. He's not a horrible owner. Just feels like everyone's trying to talk out of both sides of their mouth at once
This is just my feeling and opinion, but I feel that Schoen and Daboll's leash is MUCH longer than most casual fans think. Steve Tisch is running this operation at this moment, as he threatened John Mara at the end of Joe Judge's reign. Mara wanted to keep Judge and Gettleman for stability, but Tisch said to let them go and to look outside the organization, or Mara would lose Tisch's 50% stake in the Giants. Schoen and Daboll are under contract with Daniel Jones for one more year, then they will get their guy. THAT is when the clock starts on their regime pressure.
Mars is not a good person. He’s the reason why the nfl has the no taunting rule.
Daniel Jones hasn't had anybody to throw to nor anyone protecting him. neither Drake Maye, Drew Lock, McCarthy, DeVito, ... is winning five games with the team that they had last year. At least Jones has an actual WR finally.
If I am Daniel Jones I rather be Paid than be Loved by any NFL Team. He’s all set with that $160M Contract and $80M in His Bank.
So you didn’t come here do a job properly? Just steal money. Copy
@@CutthroatnajHe didn’t have to steal it. They willingly gave it to him.
@@R17759 if you go to work and have one half decent performance and then you under perform. You’re stealing.
There needs to be an examination of why so many NFL teams destroy the careers of young QBs before they get started.
Teams like the Giants, Jets, Bears and a few others, that can't develop QBs, are where you go to watch your career die.
Kudos to the Falcons for signing a vet QB AND drafting his successor.
The Giants had Eli Manning for 15 years...
Bad teams break quarterbacks. It's just a fact. Most "busts" aren't busts imo are just dudes that needed a little help to reach their potential.
How can you put the Giants in that category when Daniel Jones is the only QB they’ve had after Eli Manning 🧐🧐
The media is trying to put the nail in the coffin... what qb could succeed under the conditions hes played under???
I think DJ has to be better than the 22’ season to stay. Like gets them at minimum to an NFC championship game in order to stay on this team in the future. Cause of the injury clause in his contract, I wouldn’t be surprised if Locke “wins” the job before the season and DJ never sees the field .
I am sure NY fans are not shy about talking/yelling their opinions to the organization. lol With fans opinions about DJ cemented, which I am guessing they are, life will be tough for everyone there unless Jones has his best year.
I’ll add another layer to that. If he has similar stats to 2022 AND gets to the NFCCG he will still be cut bc 2022 was 100% Dabolls ability to utilize DJs running ability. He needs to literally play like a $47 million QB like top 8, for them to even consider not cutting him and even then they would still draft a QB next year for insurance. 2023 was Daboll slightly opening the playbook to prove a point to Mara that they shouldn’t have paid him that money or contract.
I’m a lifelong Giants fan. There is absolutely no way the Giants make the NFC championship game, and it has nothing to do with Jones. If you put Mahomes behind that OLine, which is not just horrible, but historically horrible, Mahomes would not be able to do anything. Watch the video of the OLine play from the games Jones played, as soon as he got the snap he had defenders in his face.
Giants were only bidding against themselves when they gave him that contract . They should have signed him cheap or let him walk
JJM or MPJ ?
I don't think they loved him for acouple of year. Even through they paid him. Buyer's remorse i think
I lowkey root for Daniel Jones to do well because homie reminds me of Bruce Campbell from Evil Dead
You’re part of the problem
@@Cutthroatnaj I’m not a Giants fan so I don’t give a damn 😆😆 but homie literally looks like dude from Army Of Darkness
It only took 5 years longer than it should have
Jones got his money. He can retire a multimillionaire. 😊
New York was desperate and had the taste of a playoff win in its mouth when they thought they had no other choice than to pay Jones because they had no quarterback in line after him.
Daniel Jones does not deserve to be paid like Kirk Cousins for his one playoff win. Kirk was statistically always in the top 5 AFC quarterbacks until he got hurt last year.
If you asked the other 31 teams if they would swap their starting QB even up for DJ, I don't think you would get any takers.
Daniel one read Jones. Should have gotten off him 2 years ago. Other teams moving off mid-QB quickly.
The New York Jets front office wasn't going to drown after the coming season with Zach Wilson hanging around their necks. A wise man learns from the mistakes of others. A fool learns from his own.
It was because of the Mannings vouched for him and now they trying to convince the fans that they made the right decision by drafting him and paying him the extension and the owner is the one that is stubborn and ego driven it's not the coaches or GM the GM and coach work for the owner so what he says goes
no they havnt only the media has
It’s been rumored that Daniel Jones nickname will be changed from “Danny Dimes” to “Danny Nickels and Dimes.” I mean, after all he eats away at your salary cap like a death from a thousand cuts.
With a decent line, good run game Daniel Jones won a playoff game. Raiders have that plus a monster Defense send him to LV n watch him shine. I've been yelling AOC is gonna surprise everyone im just saying put a good line in front of Jones n he can win.
You cooking man
Giants offered more to move from 6 to 3 then the 9ers did to move from the teens so thats a stupid thing to say
@2:30 we gotta PUT WHAT IN DANIEL JONES ??????!?! 🤨⏸
Everything the Giants have done with Daniel Jones I've hated. I hated how they massively reached for him in the draft, and I hated the monster contract they gave him. Its just been awful
Ya’ll looking at this all wrong. We’ll be good this year. DJ will win 9 games and sneak into the playoffs, first round exit. Can’t draft a qb. 2025 DJ will be injured and we win 4 games, good enough for 2nd overall and Arch Manning.
Everyone knew how bad Daniel Jones was except the Giants LOL
WTF is wrong with these guys banging on the damn table with the mic sitting on it?
Too bad.. as they really have done all the right things building him up 😂
They signed him for 4 years so they can get out after 2. Makes sense. I mean the Daboll and Shoen don’t know about Football as much as you geniuses.
Dj did what he did in '22 because of one man, Saquon Barkley. He will continue to suck until he's gone
#1 Giants over drafted Jones. #2 Donatelle helped get Jones an unjustified pay day.
You tube GMs
Be smarter... answer yourself this question.
If they originally wanted Nabers, then to put it out there that they're interested in maye that would nake since as to not tip theyr hand at WR..
Hence the weak offer.... duh
NYG OLine cant protect DJ for more than 1.5 seconds. Not Daniels fault. The Giants still kept one of the worst OLine players in the NFL. I think that Tackle has a 64% protection rate? Yeah, and they kept that crappy tackle. All playoff teams PROTECT their QB. Not Daniels fault.
3:48 who da fook is that guy?
Giants o-line allowed 2nd most sacks in NFL history last year! These clowns fail to mention that though. Historically terrible O-line play, blame the QB... Cherry on top, no WRs to throw too.... now he's coming off an acl tear and has to "prove" himself? Shut up already. The kid has got great composure and is a dual threat. He'll get it done when the team gets the OTHER positions taken care of.
Giants are a massive mess… can’t believe we were about to hire a front office goon as gm 🤮
If your a real giants fan you know that they have had THE WORST OLINE in the league since before jones got there . Give the guy a real team and he will shine , again !
He sucks. If he needs all those accommodations. That means he was never good.
I'd give DJ 6 games (holding my breath he doesn't get injured), I think coach/gm/owner gives him 8 - if there's not exceptional improvement from DJ by then, play Lock and sit Jones; can't afford him getting injured. After the run on QBs this year, not many will be trying to get a top one next off season
Love?? They fooled around for a while…..hooked up when they were drunk…but definitely breaking up before the holidays…maybe one last bang before they move on with a new lover…Love?….
There once was a quarterback named Jones,
Draft night his GM was manning the phones.
“Danny Dimes!” is our guy,
Said the coach with a sigh.
From Jersey stands all you’ll hear will be moans.
Clearly this is true because they traded up to draft a quarterback 😂
Can we stop saying he didn't play well last season we didn't have an O line
Good or bad line. He’s a one read qb. He stinks
He doesn't have time to look up
Shameless click bait attempt. You must be friends with Pat Leonard - another Jones clickbait speciaist.
Daniel jones is trash let’s be real.. only reason he would beat my commanders is because they were poorly coached
Why are we still talking about daniel jones.....do you not have anything else to talk about it....unsubscribing
Let me get this right, they aren’t in love with Jones, couldn’t land Maye, and so now they are gonna use Lock? 🤣 Who they shouldn’t be in love with is their GM who blows and is the one that gave an unproven QB, a big contract like a moron. Next years QB class is just as bad as the 2019 class. Giants got problems, if he isn’t tall and white they won’t draft him to play QB. 6 starts by black QB’s their 100 year history, and Penix was there for the taking and he’s better than Maye. So missed on Maye, ignored Penix, next years class is not good, and the GM still has a job, good luck with that.
I think Lock is going to take his Job
Mike you are becoming unwatchable with your rants.Myles...who are you & why should we listen to you?
😂
Fire joe schen and daboll and Mara need a new everything owner manager coach all the above they don't want to win at all fire the owner primarily the owners suck
So DJ is the problem when the oline was historically bad and the wrs were “who the fook is that guy”? Make it make sense
Tyrod played just fine with the same line. Stop making excuses for this guy.
@@Cutthroatnajcap Evan Neal got hurt and Tyrod got injured too this O line is horrible
@@bigmanhauling2396 and Tyrod still played better than Jones.
This sets Giants up for new coach/QB in 25. Don’t give Dabol a lifeline reaching for rookie QB.
Brian Daboll is not a good coach.
Daniel Jones is not a good player
Never liked Danny dimes he’s more like Danny nickels
Duds
I think Drew Lock might beat him out
He’s about to put the haters to bed
Still waiting for year 6 breakout.. he stinks always has
@@dannyduds1058I go to bed every time I see him on the field.
No he isn't 😂
You are full of crap. How can you criticize his play when the offensive line sucked. I wonder how Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers would’ve done with that offensive line the last few years. Hope is that he comes out and has a monster then what will you talking heads say.
It wasn’t a shot over the bow . They were going reciever all the way at first pic . All their pics were top 30 visits and the only receivers on that list were the top 3 . What does that tell you . They made a half ass effort to move up to placate the anti jones morons that they tried . But they still believe in Jones . Or they would have drafted jj
Whomever is the qb there, Giants need a good receiver and other good offensive players. Replacing one mediocre QB with another that you are not convinced about makes no sense if you have a top 10 pick. So I am with you. Good point.
I will never listen to any football fan that utter the words “they believe in Janiel Dones” 😂😂😂😂
The Elite Wr Nabers when asked “what do you think about Janiel Dones?” He said “I’ll have to see when I get there” 😂😂😂. Does that sound like belief to you?!?🗣️🗣️😂😂
Daniel Jones isn’t good. You think the gm and coach tried to move up to placate some group of people?
@@R17759 yes , I do . I mean if the pats accepted their low ball effort , than ya they would have taken Maye , obviously , but they didn’t make much of an effort , and the fact that they didn’t take jj , Penix , or nix , all who other teams obviously felt were first round talents tells you more of what they think of Jones than making a half effort to move up . Can’t help it if some people are to dense to see that . But hey , you do you
@@R17759 please explain , if Jones is sooooo bad , why didn’t they draft a new qb