Rowan is such a cool build. Did not expect a win after that elfball turn went wild. Do love how all the cards that are 'balanced' with life loss are combo pieces in rowan
Ethan should probably consider running Wren's Run Packmaster if the goal is infinite mana elfball since with mana you can instant speed create a token, with an essence warden it's instant speed infinite life
Just checking, Rowan wasn't reducing the cost of artifacts? I didn't track mana on the big turn. Additionally Marwyn could have drawn a lot more cards and put Staff of Domination into play or used Wellwisher, given haste by Finale to gain alot a life, but this would have meant foregoing the "cool" Kindered Summons play.
@@getsaucysubjectsk7444, the written word can be difficult to interpret, I simply meant, that it wasn't clear that Rowan was being played correctly, as a few artifacts were being cast and I didn't track all the mana involved. When something like Painter's Servant gets involved then you get cost reductions on your artifacts.
Apex of Power was played with 2 floating colorless and 1 floating black left over from tapping Ancient Tomb, Firemind's Vessel, and 2 red producing lands. He gets 10 mana of one color when playing it from hand and chose black, bringing him to 2 floating colorless and 11 floating black. He played Dismember and Lotus Petal for free then The Golden Throne for 4, using 2 colorless and 2 black. He then used Lotus Petal for 1 red and played Blood for the Blood God!, leaving him with 7 floating black. He used 3 to play Profane Transfusion and sacrificed the token it makes to The Golden Throne to get 3 black back, leaving him at 7 floating black again. He plays The One Ring for 4, bringing him to 3 floating black, plays Black Market Connections for 1 black, then plays Swiftfoot Boots for 2, bringing him to 0 leftover mana. He then ends the turn.
Potentially. Depends if anyone wants to play it or if our patrons submit it for our raffle. Currently it doesn't seem that Boros equipment is a high priority for us
No, trample only looks at how much you need to put on a creature for it to die normally. If you had deathtouch and trample but the blocker had indestructible/protection you only need 1 point of damage and the rest goes over. It's an interesting interaction but I built a whole Fynn deck based around pumping up the creatures and giving trample so they'd always connect
@@Slaxxie he was under One Ring, so he did not give a fk about elfball. Also, with magus on the table he did not give a fk about how much life elves gain as well. I mean, elves were doing things elves usually do when nobody is interacting with their board. On the other hand, 7 mana on t2 for a big mana deck is absurd and it is a win in like 90% of the time.
This is why mana Crypt just sucks out the fun outta games. It's why I've just took to removing fast mana, tutors and combos from my decks and it's been so much more fun! Solid game overall though albeit a bit one sided as you mentioned lol
@@chall3ng33v3rything Yeah that's what I'm saying, either it dies because damage doesn't use the stack and neither does death touch, so if they deal their damage at the same time, there is nothing to respond to for regenerate activation meaning the elf would die as state based actions are checked, basically there is no window of time frame that it could of both dealt damage, and survived the deathtouch :P
@@TheBu213 okay so doing some research it seems like they were just short cutting an interaction which is super common in commander games and also probably is so minor it didn’t need to be stated. Blockers are declared, then before before moving to damage regeneration is applied to the elf. Regeneration activates on the effect that would cause it to do so. Therefore after they both deal damage to one another. Thus the elf is removed from combat damage after they have both dealt damage saving the elf and removing the player from the game.
@@chall3ng33v3rything Aye did some reading up on it, and yeah I see your point, as it's replacing the next time it dies, but by then the damage is dealt. I always had it in my head that the removal from combat was part of the activation not the resolve 👍
Gaining life doesn't offset the amount of life lost. It isn't about the overall change, Rowan just tracks life lost. He took 3 from Crypt + 2 from The One Ring + 6 from Black Market Connections + 2 from Ancient Tomb + 1 from Sulphurous Springs, = 14 total life lost
Rowan is such a cool build. Did not expect a win after that elfball turn went wild. Do love how all the cards that are 'balanced' with life loss are combo pieces in rowan
The One Ring is a heck of a card lol
Not that it mattered, but I don't think Calix can target himself with his constellation trigger while enchanted with spirit mantle
The best part of this episode was the totally perfect math.
The more games I see from Rowan the more I want to build here, nice content as usual!
Thanks! Rowan is extremely potent. She can be a little hard to tune for a specific power level but she does some cool stuff
@@SmoothBrainEDH I've found taking any x spells out makes it way more casual. Just big bomber spells that don't insta win
As a huge fan of Marwyn (one of my first ever cards that I turned into a commander deck back in June 6 years after getting it), I feel fulfilled
add in Walking Ballista as a kill condition of infinite mana and you`re set
Ethan should probably consider running Wren's Run Packmaster if the goal is infinite mana elfball since with mana you can instant speed create a token, with an essence warden it's instant speed infinite life
that was awesome, thank you
Glad you enjoyed the video!
This seems like a game where Reclamation Sage, Viridian Shaman, and other Elves that destroy artifacts were needed.
Amazing final 👏👌
Just built a Rowan deck can’t wait to be arch enemy 😅
And that is the reason you should use Hair-Strung Koto in you elfball decks, my friends. Easy victory on target opponents upkeep, even on protections.
HOLY CRAP WHAT AN UPSET! YEAH!
What a insane game. I still cannot believe they create the one ring and though yeah this card is pretty balanced
Rowan seems pretty strong 🤔
She’s too strong honestly lol
Amazing that not a single person has caught onto her yet. Not a single deck on EDHREC or anywhere
I love Seth he’s the best!
I was so happy to see Apex of Power in here! Nicely played by everyone... next time don't let the elf ball player on tap 🤦🏿♂️🤣
Just checking, Rowan wasn't reducing the cost of artifacts? I didn't track mana on the big turn. Additionally Marwyn could have drawn a lot more cards and put Staff of Domination into play or used Wellwisher, given haste by Finale to gain alot a life, but this would have meant foregoing the "cool" Kindered Summons play.
Rowan only reduces red and/or black spells to avoid that free artifact shenanigans
@@getsaucysubjectsk7444, the written word can be difficult to interpret, I simply meant, that it wasn't clear that Rowan was being played correctly, as a few artifacts were being cast and I didn't track all the mana involved. When something like Painter's Servant gets involved then you get cost reductions on your artifacts.
Apex of Power was played with 2 floating colorless and 1 floating black left over from tapping Ancient Tomb, Firemind's Vessel, and 2 red producing lands.
He gets 10 mana of one color when playing it from hand and chose black, bringing him to 2 floating colorless and 11 floating black.
He played Dismember and Lotus Petal for free then The Golden Throne for 4, using 2 colorless and 2 black.
He then used Lotus Petal for 1 red and played Blood for the Blood God!, leaving him with 7 floating black.
He used 3 to play Profane Transfusion and sacrificed the token it makes to The Golden Throne to get 3 black back, leaving him at 7 floating black again.
He plays The One Ring for 4, bringing him to 3 floating black, plays Black Market Connections for 1 black, then plays Swiftfoot Boots for 2, bringing him to 0 leftover mana. He then ends the turn.
@@Stellar_Life Thank you, perfect summary.
Can we get some boros Kellan gameplay?
Potentially. Depends if anyone wants to play it or if our patrons submit it for our raffle. Currently it doesn't seem that Boros equipment is a high priority for us
Always happy to see elf ball get crushed. I’m so sick of seeing it. Great game! ❤
isn't protection from creature on esper sentinel make the trample damage null?
No, trample only looks at how much you need to put on a creature for it to die normally. If you had deathtouch and trample but the blocker had indestructible/protection you only need 1 point of damage and the rest goes over.
It's an interesting interaction but I built a whole Fynn deck based around pumping up the creatures and giving trample so they'd always connect
with Spirit Mantle on Calix, you cant put a +1/+1 counters on him with his ability, do to it having protection from creatures.
that was wild!
Waiting for that Zur decklist..
I lost to an elf ball deck earlier today so happy to see it not win
Big mistake is not killing the rowan, shes a bomb that can explode on her turn
I really wanted Marwen too win. I'm a Marwen player myself
Wow, who would've thought that a person with 7 mana on turn 2 would win the game...
who would have thought he wins, after elfball goes infinite tho :D
@@Slaxxie he was under One Ring, so he did not give a fk about elfball. Also, with magus on the table he did not give a fk about how much life elves gain as well.
I mean, elves were doing things elves usually do when nobody is interacting with their board. On the other hand, 7 mana on t2 for a big mana deck is absurd and it is a win in like 90% of the time.
@@Zaalbarjedi i've watched it too, thanks. He had to win that turn no matter what
This is why mana Crypt just sucks out the fun outta games. It's why I've just took to removing fast mana, tutors and combos from my decks and it's been so much more fun! Solid game overall though albeit a bit one sided as you mentioned lol
We generally avoid playing too much fast mana and tutors for a similar reasons but we gotta get that fix every once in a while
@@SmoothBrainEDH ya I get that it's never appealed to me but definitely get why people do like the powerful cards!
What a game
I know it doesn't matter, but Ethan wouldn't of been able to regenerate the elf and kill Seth, as regenerating a creature removes it from combat :P
Unless baleful strix has first strike combat damage had already been done. Removing something from combat doesn’t make its damage non existent
@@chall3ng33v3rything Yeah that's what I'm saying, either it dies because damage doesn't use the stack and neither does death touch, so if they deal their damage at the same time, there is nothing to respond to for regenerate activation
meaning the elf would die as state based actions are checked, basically there is no window of time frame that it could of both dealt damage, and survived the deathtouch :P
@@TheBu213 okay so doing some research it seems like they were just short cutting an interaction which is super common in commander games and also probably is so minor it didn’t need to be stated. Blockers are declared, then before before moving to damage regeneration is applied to the elf. Regeneration activates on the effect that would cause it to do so. Therefore after they both deal damage to one another. Thus the elf is removed from combat damage after they have both dealt damage saving the elf and removing the player from the game.
@@chall3ng33v3rything Aye did some reading up on it, and yeah I see your point, as it's replacing the next time it dies, but by then the damage is dealt.
I always had it in my head that the removal from combat was part of the activation not the resolve 👍
None of my playgroups let me play my Rowan Deck🥲
how did the rowan player deal 14 damage to themself? and doesn't exchanging life make rowan tap for zero?
Gaining life doesn't offset the amount of life lost. It isn't about the overall change, Rowan just tracks life lost. He took 3 from Crypt + 2 from The One Ring + 6 from Black Market Connections + 2 from Ancient Tomb + 1 from Sulphurous Springs, = 14 total life lost
I love Marwyn. Elf ball is a lot of fun
Fellow Marwyn enjoyer!!!
I was rooting for Ethan the whole time! Elfball forever!
I'm pretty sure exchanging life totals counts as life loss, so during that last turn black and red spells would have been discounted by a lot more 😅
But Matt gained life in the exchange, so that didn't do anything for the Rowan count.
Da..FUQ
I love marwyn, my friends do not.
Sounds like your friends are kinda reasonable haha
That one ring sucks hard, what a broken card...