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The first two prints with the same black filament had similar results. The bambu printed perfectly but you also used a different filament. If it’s a comparison, why not print with the same filament for each print?
I have to agree with @ethangcosby. If you are comparing print quality at least take out the filament from the equation. I would go as far as not only using the very same filament spool but also dry out the filament before prints. Other than that, thanks for the great video!
I can't believe how far 3d printers have come in the last few years....I'm done with ripping machines apart, replacing and upgrading parts, tweaking for hours. Yay!
I wanted a 3D- Printer for a long time, but I dont wanted to put hours into Configuration. Now I have finally a Bambu X1c and it's amazing easy to handle.
its nice to have a printer that can get out the box and print perfectly in 30 mins but half the fun is tinkering with your printer like all the ender 3 upgrades or full building a voron. I have a P1P(Soon to be P1S) but im probably going to build a Voron 0.2 then build a V2.4 or Trident so i can make it "mine"
I'm in the same boat, and actually the reason I'm not buying a Creality printer again. Mainly because they had basically let the community fix ALL the issues with their printers in the early days of the CR-10/Ender 3 (and maybe even today, don't keep track of them that much anymore). Just not interested in a company with that sort of mindset, so I'm probably gonna just pick up a Bambu printer. Plus they provide spare parts at a really good price.
I like the short and sweet comparison. Also, printing something practical is a great idea. However, like other commenters, for the comparison to be fair, use the same filament in all 3. Maybe one with PLA & one with PETG.
Thanks! It was very fair, it was the average experience any buyer would have. Turned it on, loaded PLA, sliced up a model on the preferred slicer and hit print. Changing filament isn’t going to magically turn a bad printer into an amazing printer.
@@LoyalMoses Actually, PLA is not realy the main material for enclosured printers. In my opinion, while the main advantance of bambulab is the AMS, the main advantage of the Qidi is the activly heated chamber. So I would realy like a comparision how the funnel turns out printed in a more technical filament, like maybe polycarbonate or nylon. Maybe even in winter - I had some very hard issues with bending even using PET-G in a passive enclosure last winter (for me its warm enough if water is liquid. My printers see it otherwise). This actually the main reason I choose the Qidi, as the activly heated chamber is the outstanding feature. While I definitly like the AMS bambu made - how often do I realy need colour change? Maybe for soluble support (or the PLA/PETG-Trick). But I have an Idex I only used 2 or 3 times over the last years to do so, so for me the heated chamber is definitly the big advantage of the Qidi and kicks bambu an Creality out of the competition. But it realy depends what you need. Also of course as the Qidi uses open Klipper, an ERCF might be possible to add... So while the AMS has best comfort and definitly is exelent, it does not mean you can't do multi material on a Qidi.
Good comparison but kinda agree from a commenter about using same filament since not all filament is equal. I know you kept mostly default settings but I’m on the fence with that too. However don’t want the video to be about slicer comparison either. I know these videos are hard to create and remain unbiased. I appreciate your honest feedback.
Thanks Jedispidey! It easy turns into a scientific comparison of which there isn’t a true way forward, so I wanted to show what the results are if you are just an average user, and you send a practical print, what are you going to get out of the machine. But, we can always do more, and we’ll get better at it! 💜
*I had to go with the QIDI Max-3 since my prints are over 12.5" / With the super hot heated chamber I was able to print ABS without any shrinkage, cracking or de-laming. I have ZERO regrets and the customer support at QIDI was FAST, LIVE! 10,000% better support than Bambu or K1 who seems to do their best to hide from their customers. As far as the rear spool feed I just put it on a ball bearing turn table I bought at the Lumber store for $15.00 / EASY!!!*
Why were two pieces printed in black and one in orange. Makes IT pretty much uncomparable in terms of surface Quality imho. I would Love to See a faceoff between qidi and Bamboo with prints in glossy black Pla/PETG and No soft lighting around.
That was just the filament that was loaded, and I agree, that orange didn’t film well, too easily over exposed. We’ll do another and have better lighting!
Having owned a Bambu Lab P1S for a bit now all I can say is that it's made 3D printing way more enjoyable than any bed slinger I ever had. Although having to fight with those bed slingers all those years makes me appreciate the P1S so much more. My AMS is on the truck and on it's way. Yeay! BTW, I'm printing parts for a project as I type.
getting my p1s in 2-3 days. Really stoked. Ordered early september but just never arrived. Came in stock last friday so now i just need to wait for delivery! First ever printer, which is why i went with the bambulab. due to all the praises it got for being a excellent out of the box printer
Being a bedslinger or coreXY has nothing to do with it. There are a bunch of bedslingers these days that are also fully automatic. The Ankermake M5/M5C, Bambu Lab A1 Mini, Ender 3 V3 SE/KE etc. on the other hand there are also a bunch of not great coreXY.
@@glowpipe You're gonna love it. You'll be running it nonstop for the first few months. I've got 1600 hrs. on my X1c and it still prints like a champ. And the only problems I had was plugged nozzle once, and then the other thing that's great is the printer will warn you if anything seems off. It even saved me from wrecking the bad cable as it warned me there was tension on the cable, so when I checked I found one yellow wire fell off its mount and was getting caught up a lil bit and eventually would have been ripped off. You're getting a great machine.
@@Kman31ca Yeah, I hear people trying to knock bambu, but that's where I'm gonna spend it. I just want my bambu and be happy. I honestly don't care if creality has finally made 1 good machine.
I don't know why you would use a different filament for the p1s using a color that will barely show off any imperfections. A lot of other creators do this as well. They will compare the p1s or p1p to another brand/model and use a very unforgiving color like black or grey with the model that the bambu lab is going up against, and use a very bright neonish color when using the bambu labs. Gives off the impression of bias when that happens, even though you may not have intended it.
It was the Bambu filament that was loaded, and the others were already loaded as well with similar blacks. No conspiracy, just real use here in the studio! I can always change to a moderate color for each and hit reprint! In-fact, I may do that just in case. And thank you for your comment.
You think filament makes that much of a difference to the quality of the machine? Then why so many issues with Ender 3s out there? They could just change filament and the printer would print perfect, no? That is what you are saying though, that the filament makes the print, not the printer.
Yeah I went with the P1S. Waited on the AMS for now, but then turned around and waiting on backorder for the A1 mini with the AMS lite because I was so impressed with the P1S
I'm leaning toward the P1S with AMS kit. I have three other FDM printers, Ender 2 Pro, customized Ender 5 Pro and a FLSun SR with the Speeder pad. but the P1S for enclosed and for multi-color prints is so very tempting.
As of the last week of December 2023, I managed to get a Creality K1 for $360. I was going to by the Bambu and I had it in my online store basket, but I just couldn't pass on that K1 deal, especially being on a tight budget. I figured, there is no way $360 is not a terrific deal, regardless how it compares to the Bambu or the Quidi.
I am not sure how you can compare when you used Orange filament for the Bambu labs machine. I would like to see orange filament run in others or Bambu labs with black filament just so all things remain same for the tests. Great review, but I am interested to see with same exact filaments on all machines. Perhaps, run orange on two other machines and black on Bambu labs. I would also run all three at max speed of 500, keep speed same. This would be ultimate test. Very impressed with results from all companies.
It wasn't a review but more a comparison of printing experience. The filament was the color of filament that was loaded when we printed, that's all -- we can definitely do it again with the same or opposite colors, or maybe do a different test. Thank you for your input, I appreciate it!
I haven't decided between Creality and Bambulab yet. Based on my research so far, Bambulab produces cleaner prints, but it uses parts that are not easily replaceable, such as the carbon X-axis tubes. In my experience, carbon has a significantly shorter lifespan compared to Creality's steel rods (although steel is heavier, resulting in more inertia and less precise movements). So, if the machine loses precision due to this wear and tear component after a year and becomes worse than the Creality, I'd prefer to go directly with a Creality since I don't plan on changing printers every year (I do a lot of printing). On the other hand, I've come across many consumer reports about quality control issues from Creality factories (motherboards with the wrong firmware, uneven bed surfaces, etc.). However, I still lean towards getting a K1 because it's open-source, and I'm not particularly concerned about achieving a perfect surface finish. I have a CNC machine for fabricating parts once the design and testing phases are complete through 3D printing. In my opinion, it's better to have several issues that can be solved more or less easily than a potential unsolvable problem like play in the X-axis. Even if replacement carbon tubes with sufficient manufacturing quality can be found, I doubt that the connection of the carbon tubes is held together with a simple screw; they are probably glued with resin. I can't imagine using a saw to cut and then trying to realign the carbon axes correctly before gluing them.
"In my experience, carbon has a significantly shorter lifespan compared to Creality's steel rods" How did you come upon this experience if you have neither printer?
Why did you use black for the first two funnels, and then orange? We cannot compare the print as easily on this end, as the light blurs the orange completely.
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I dont need perfect quality I need a reliable printer that print fast with the state of the art technology without spending my whole life to build a vorron like machine it is enough I spend to much time of building fixing instead of doing my real stuff
Finally, I wanted to ask you several questions, if you would like to answer them 1: Which one is more user-friendly 2: Which one has more repairs than others and has maintenance problems 3: Which is better in terms of construction quality (in terms of printed structure) 4: If you have the budget for one of these 3 devices, which one would you buy? Thank you for your support
This is a great set of questions and I am more than happy to answer! 1) Bambu Lab printers have the best user experience we've ever seen 2) None of the machines have needed repairs yet 3) Bambu and K1 feel stronger 4) The Bambu P1S would be the one I would buy Also, there is a HUGE sale happening tomorrow from Bambu too, It's their anniversary. loyal.ms/bambu (aff)
I've seen that Qidi users are seeing way better print quality by using orca slicer. Native klipper and a larger, actively heated, build area give the X-Plus3 the edge in my opinion.
Hello, I'm torn between Creality K1 Max and Bambu Lab P1P, which one is better? I don't want to deal with table setting, I just want a nice machine and I'm torn between these two devices.
I wish a core xy was in my immediate future. Shifting to production work and finding I need models large and small for what I am making, sometimes in quick succession. So helmet class sizes are a must and Bambu's distinct lack of ringing at speed would be a godsend. That said glad I found your show when I did, your print races and makes competitions served a dual purpose of helping me get filament when I couldn't afford it, and it helped me keep my photography skills up to snuff. Also thanks to the races emphasis on speed, I fear lightning infill a lot less, and that has saved a lot of filiment now that I am transisioning to models for video productions.
@LoyalMoses yeah, hoping with the new Core XY rush, it drives prices down, and a company that rhymes with "fondue tabs" releases their larger option. I don't mind closed source as long as it works.
Bambu's next printer for their 2nd gen is gonna be a large size printer. And I think that'll be coming out mid 2024. Hopefully they add a heated enclosure, that would be great for high end filaments.
For me qidi tech x-plus 3 is the best i could print pc polycarbonate and pet-cf at 250mm/s with perfect quality with the heater chamber but the Bambu Lab couldn't
Would love to see a review on these.. for example, does the Qidi Tech X-Plus 3 still have your attention? Is the Bambu P1S (or X1C) better or worse than the Qidi? BTW, any thoughts on the HeyGears 3d Printers?
I would love to have P1s but I heard it's too loud. I would sit next to it for the whole day living in a flat and I'm afraid it's not for me. Anu other recommendations? How's the others? Or any good recommendations around $500? Been using modified ender 3 pro for few years now
They are definitely loud if you are sitting right next to it and the doors have to be open for PLA. My recommendation is the A1 or A1 mini. They are AMAZING and quiet!
@@LoyalMoses Thanks for a fast reply! My mind is blown over how much 3D printing world changed in the last few years. As I said I have Ender 3 Pro for over 4 years, mostly just changed motherboard to a silent one. Doesn't have any ABL system etc so I decided to look for something new and fresh but there are so many 3D printers right now :D Every one have pros and cons, mostly I have a battle between Bambu A1, Elegoo Neptune series, Sovol and Anycubic Kobra series. Would like Prusa aswell but they're very expensive :|
What a great video! So informative. I currently am using an Elegoo "bedslinger" and I'm upgrading to the P1S soon. I've been intrigued by the printer since its release and I cannot wait to get my hands on one. I need more speed and all around better prints ❤
i think printing the part in BLACK will be a better comparission orange or bright color can make it look better vs black, this is as a bambu user btw...
in addition to ethancosby's suggestion, should also be consistent with material type, ABS or PLA. I for one strictly use ABS over pla, especially would like to know with these printers since they are enclosed. You should redo your comparison since you have all 3 printers.
I'm Prusa guy ...had few creality printers as well as anycubic Kobras and regret they were so bad I literally store them in basement for parts lol. Didn't try Bamboo yet since they had so many issues before with QC ...
I commented in another video, I owned and started with a K1, and moved to a P1S, there is no comparison between them, and once your printer has an issues, it is Bambu 100%, they walk you through the process, Creality gives your links to China websites for parts and third party youtube videos for fixes. The P1S prints faster and high quality and doesn't need glue ;) That is my 2 cents, and if you paid 2 cents for my comment, you over paid ;)
I've had several creality printers and they have been nothing but trouble. If I was going to buy a bamboo Labs it would have to be the X1 Carbon. I just bought a Qidi X-Plus 3. It is the most amazing 3D printer out of the box I have ever used. I just could not justify the X1 Carbon on my budget. But if I had the cash I probably would have went that way. The Qidi tuning is SO spot-on from the factory. Even things like extruder steps. I let out one whole M of filament. It was within three hundreds of a gram of being correct. There is no question this printer is fast and accurate. The one warning I have (and I have experienced this with every printer we've ever purchased) is that it does not flow anywhere near what they say. It is an honest 20mm'3/s hot end.
Yes. I have not had a single problem other than going through nozzles faster than my old printers. To be fair though, it gets used a lot more. If anything it's going better over time as we tweak parameters.
@@MrBiggs-wu2kf I would like to know that as well. The Bambu labs are at a much cheaper price right now, but I can get the QIDI at $200 cheaper right now. At those prices, I am going for the Larger, faster printer with the heated chamber. I have order some enclosures for my Flashforge 5M for a total price another $100 cheaper. I never buy anything at full price.
@@SilyPrints awesome! You should join us on twitch! We are live on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, we give out filament and other stuff every show. 5PM pacific, and we are family friendly! Say hello, and remind me that you came from TH-cam.
I made a comment about a better price comparison with the P1S Combo and the big brothers of the other 2 without watching this. I think I'm already convincing myself to get a P1S Combo just because of the fun factor involved and, of course, quality. I thought I need a bigger volume for what I want to print but I don't think I will need the volume often. If ever (if my wife allows), I'll just get a cheaper large bedslinger as a 2nd machine for bigger prints. BTW, forgot you own a ranch. I may ask suggestions to print for my cousin who owns a farm with mini horses, donkeys and chickens.
I think that is a GREAT idea, a large machine like the Elegoo Neptune 3 Max when you are ready for giant prints. P1S Combo is going to be a nice setup if you go that route.
Great comparisons video of these super speedy printers. Would the quality improve on the K1 and Qidi prints if it was at same speed as the bambu printer ? Finding the best way to cool layers at these speeds will only improve in the future
Both of those machines are REALLY good! That’s tough, the QIDI has a heated chamber. I would say results wise, they are evenly matched, but the heated chamber is pretty awesome, and that would lean me in that direction!
Have you tested ASA on the Qidi X-plus 3 and Bambu P1S ? Very curious how well they perform making outside use items. Another test I would love is .2 (.02 nozzles) on small item like miniatures
Hey great video. I have a quick question when you say you set the peremeters to 3. Where did you do that for Bambu labs? I have a print that requires it to be set to 5 but I am unable to find the option in Bambu
It was the filament that was loaded in the machines at the time. Also, apparently drives engagement and makes everyone ask. 😜 We’ll do another more detailed comparison with equal colors, although it won’t change anything. I had a friend come up, handed him the 3 funnels didn’t say a thing, and he guessed which machines printed them perfectly.
That is the filament that was loaded on the printer. And no, the Bambu machine is superior in every aspect, and has the optional multi-color system available. The other machines aren't bad, they are just not at the same level of quality and user experience.
Great video Loyal. I do agree all three printers are amazing. I have several Bambu Lab machines. I don't have the other two nothing against them. I got my Bambu machines when they first came out and may look at the other two later if I get more space for a few 3D printers.
Lighting wasn’t the best, it was far worse than I thought it looked while recording, but this wasn’t a scientific comparison, it was a user experience and result comparison. Even if I used the same filament, it was done in their preferred slicer with their default profiles, which ultimately has a greater impact on result than the brand of PLA used. We’ll have to do another one, with better lighting and we can use the same color for the third one.
Thanks for the video. I do feel like you should compare them using the same fillament, color, and speed. If you were to slow down the other 2 to reach the 500 mms i feel like your print quality would be different. But again thanks for the video!
Without any info. on the specifics of materials, the comparison is inconclusive. There should be material settings(temps, nozzle,layer height and print speeds and actual type of plastic used). Color is not a big deal, but black brings out imperfections easily. I would take this with a grain of salt as it is with the available info.
Sometimes we get so caught up in the details that we forget that there are people who just want to use these new machines like they are an appliance, and that is okay. These machines may end up in shops or garages or home officers where the people that are using them don't care about layer heights or infill, etc. For this particular comparison, it was very simple -- the experience that 99% of customers would have. Load whatever filament they have on hand, select the default profile in the slicer and hit the print button. The basic experience of three turn-key corexy 3D printers and the results were the focus here. Those of us with dozens of printers and literal tons of filament care about those details, and we are absolutely working on more exhaustive content focusing on the specifics. Thank you for your input!
@@LoyalMoses You can always add the info. in the description. It just brings out better trust on the comparison, apart from doing justice to all these companies that had produced a wonderful product for the best user experience. Just some 💭
@@LoyalMoses I just couldn't take the S L O W prints any longer. It is like death by a thousands papercuts! Quality and reliability has been good, but soooo slow. They have just updated their slicer software and it is actually decent with user modifiable supports.
@@graphguy I know what you mean, it’s taken a little bit of time, but we seeing huge improvements in quality when running at speed, which is what I am all about.
@@LoyalMoses OK.. I have the K1 up and running. Can I saw wow? Geez, it is amazing. did the benchy stock settings... and 16 minutes is a virtually flawless benchy, something I have never ever had before. Next two prints? fast and flawless. I should mull kick myself for waiting. My only regret... MAYBE not going k1 max... as I am use to a 300x300x300 build plate.
After owning in chronological order Voxelab Aquila 2, Anycubic Kobra, Flsun SR, Ender 2 Pro and now the P1S AMS Combo. Hands down I should of got the X1C from the get-go but I cancelled my pre-order but it worked out since the P1S AMS Combo is cheaper than the X1C by itself. I was ragging on about how it was going to change the game and was a moderator on the Kobra forums and people disagreed strongly due to price. Tinker free printing at a more approachable price. Never want to see a bedslinger again or Cura. Wished Bambu would look into delta printers (I have a soft spot for em' since when I bought the SR it was the fastest consumer printer at the time and I loved it to bits even though it wasn't near as good as these printers today)
They changed 3D printing forever didn’t they? Simple to use, beautiful to look at, fast and high end results. I think your P1S Combo is a great setup, so you chose well. Also, thank you for your comment, I really appreciate it!
@@wykonczeni that’s a good question! I’m not a fan of the Cura interface, wish it were better, but that is just a personal preference. Those with a lot of Cura experience crank out some incredible prints with it. I have noticed that within the last few months, 4 major printer companies have recently forked PrusaSlicer. Wondering if this will be the new direction?
@@wykonczeni Cura was my 1st slicer and it worked well. At that time I tried out Prusa slicer and it didn't gel with me at the time. Haven't used Cura lately but small things like when I did prints of miniatures or figurines the slender parts like the ankles would always be 2 wall and infill (so p*ss weak) and would always break. Bambu Studio does it solid at thinner parts automatically. Before I liked Cura because they had the tree supports first, not Prusa and it's variants all have it and found I had to mess with less though that might have to do with me owning the P1S which really doesn't require any tinkering to get good results. I spend more time printing than fine tuning which is a godsend. To each his own I guess.
I want to see more x plus 3 content but with some more exotic engineering grade materials. Stuff past nylon that normally never touches a consumer printer and actually needs the heated chamber.
You used a diifferent color filament for the bambu so we can't compare apples to apples there. You also only gave print times for the Qiddi. If it was faster than the bambu then I would go for the Qiddi because until they can print at speeds comparable to a microwave or Star Trek's Replicator, speed is as important as print quality. :D
I dont get the filament argument. Bambu printers are going to work best with bambu filament, creality and qidi will work better with certain filaments. Im interested in the best that each can print (with out of the box settings), not which printer is more accurate if you feed non-ideal filament through it. Sounds like a bunch of people upset they dont have a bambu tbh.
The video was clear, but I can’t control how people will feel or compensate for their bias. We love all machines, no hate directed towards any of them.
@@LoyalMoses thanks a bunch man, as someone getting into 3D printing and unsure about which one to get. Your channel has been a blessing. Doubting between a Qidi X-max 3 and a Bambu P1S with hot end and extruder upgrades. Wanting something that can print carbon fibre reinforced nylons around the 1k budget. Looking forward to more comparisons. Keep doing what you do man, you do it great :)
Fantastic! You will love it, I am 100% certain! If you haven’t already, I’d be honored if you used my affiliate link. It helps support our content. loyal.ms/bambu
Can someone please explain what is this madness of purchasing a full enclosure and printing with the doors open? I heard that all 3 printers have problem printing PLA unless the door is open. Is that true? Speed is nice but it would be nice to get filtered the microplastic since we are paying for the enclosure. I still cannot decide between K1 and P1S. The biggest deal breaker for the K1 is the bloatware they have for a slicer and GUI.
It's not madness but rather actually very simple. PLA has a relatively low glass transition temperature compared to other filaments and the heat from the heat block can creep up through the heat break into the cold zone of the hotend if the printing environment is too warm. When filament heats up in the cold zone (where it shouldn't be), the filament swells and becomes soft and is unable to be fed through to the nozzle. Enclosures trap heat, and even if only a few degrees warmer, it can be enough to contribute to heat creep and ultimately a filament jam. Even with the more expensive Raise3D printers in my studio, they also have removable tops and even a hood that lifts to allow excess heat to escape when printing with PLA. Now, the next question is almost always "why can't they just add ventilation to cool the enclosure?" -- well, the issue there is that you still need the build plate to be warm but without drafts cooling the part unevenly or prematurely. So, the solution is to simply open the door or remove the lid. I hope that helped!
thank you for the video, the bambu lab is great but they never respond to any questions. I have actually emailed them several times with a question few weeks ago and still no response. I am just testing the CS response time and they have failed. I want to buy the Carbon so bad this lack of response is killing my motivation
Strange, how so? I used the filament that was loaded in the machines, sliced in the preferred slicer and then hit print. I agree the orange looked yellow and washed out on the camera, and we may do it again, or shoot better b-roll, but it’s not some ridiculous conspiracy. In-fact, it’s quite the opposite, that P1S performs as near to perfection as it gets. In this comparison, the others didn’t have a chance.
@@LoyalMoses I was disappointed that there was no way to compare the finishes. We have an X1 carbon at my company. My experience has not been as good as yours. I don't think the finish quality is much different than my old CR-10 (although it is printed much faster). There are Z banding artifacts. And pressure advance must not be working because it has the worst bulging at corners I have seen from my limited printing experience. It is giving 2 or 3 error codes at the beginning of every print after it does its calibration. Maybe this has something to do with the poor pressure advance. I have not had time to fix the error codes. Also, Bambu sizing the AMS so none of my spools of filament fit is really really really annoying. I don't know what game they were playing when they did this. I don't trust the K1 as what I have seen shows it as an unfinished design. I was really hoping the Qidi was great as it has the heated chamber and 350 C hot end. I apologize for my comment. Thanks for the video and the comparison.
@@f1hotrod527 oh no! I’m sorry you are having trouble, that’s one of the worst situations to be in when you are experiencing something different from others. Has support helped at all? Loose belts maybe? That QIDI X-Plus 3 is an awesome machine, and I really like it, but get this. I updated the firmware they sent me, re-calibrated and the prints turned to garbage, a complete mess. I ended up working on it for about an hour or more, then thought to tighten belts, and it cleaned up everything! Also, thank you for commenting and listening! Sometimes YT is filled with just terrible replies! 💜
@@LoyalMoses I have been so swamped at work for the past 6 months we have had the printer I have not even had time to scan the QR code it gives for the errors. That is disappointing to hear about the Qidi. I know their previous machines seemed to not be good with issues. And the original X-plus 3 had issues. But from the other reviews I have seen, Qidi completely turned it around and the printer was very good. I guess it is not completely flawless yet. I want to get a second printer for myself to go with my CR-10. Maybe getting a flying bear reborn 2 for $375 right now is the way to go. I know that printer has some things that need to be worked through, but maybe worth it? I am into printing functional parts, so the ability to print the more engineering grade materials is more important than speed to me.
If you had used the same fiament for all the printers I would say great job but I feel you used the best filament for the bambo to hype up the bambu printers.
This was an experience comparison, that 99% of users would have. A sliced model in their own slicers, with their own default profiles, and sent to the printers. I agree the orange was a little washed out on camera, but that doesn’t change the result, in this particular comparison, the P1S print was nearly perfect, the others had surface patterns from poor cooling and also loose belts, which I’ve since tightened and things appear a little cleaner. We can always do another one with the same filament for filming purposes.
@LoyalMoses In a comparison, this very much does matter and is not the 99% of what people would experience if the experience varies *with fillament*. I trust your judgement, but that isn't a proper scientific test.
@@klaidasrunele it wasn’t a scientific test at all. Filament does not differ enough to make a bad printer become an amazing printer, and I also don’t own any cheap filament. I appreciate your comments, i really do. I can definitely do another, or just some better b-roll, the orange funnel is just near perfection.
Xidi and bamboo are the ones im interested in. I like that the creality is cheap but well it's cheap. I have only used creality and stratus products but I've yet to be impressed by them. Stratus obviously is out dated but atleast seemed well built. Like someone cared when putting it together. I fear with creality the same lack of care will still show its head regardless of what they say.
Next time should u use the same filament, because like this is not fair! Only same filament, same type, same color. Maybe the K1+camera+sensor+new replacement parts (like extruder and hotend) price = qidi x-plus3/ Bambu P1s basic price. So check them again like that. K1 with all extra parts against qidi and Bambu.
Those made my current 3d printer completely obsolete and outdated. I own a delta flsun SR and it is 3x slower than these new core xy ! I was going to upgrade to the flsun S1 but after seeing how loud the blower fan is, I think I might give the bambu lab a go. I want quality impression and exotic material printing, not just speed.
I am sorry, but it must just me being in the profession of 3d printing. Your Rolls' filament sitting out there all uncovered distract me. I just keep thinking they need sealed up to protect them from Moisture :O.
@@LoyalMoses LOL, that was actually one of the questions was stuck in my brain was rather it was low humidity or not. As makes a huge difference. Where I live is on the low side. Where my brother lives, is so dry I swear if I want to dry my filament I would just take it out of the bag up there. A good example of this is air compressors. There is a bolt in the bottom of em they tell you to take out to remove water. Well if you live in a high humid area like Florida, you take bolt out, and you will have a ton of water come out. Live even where I live and barely anything. Where my brother lives, their Air compressor after 5 years was not a drop. So local humidity absolutely plays in.
From my side...bambu x1c all the way...i had a lot of printers...print quality from x1c...bro...nothing to compare. When ypu know how to tweak x1c even further, you sometimes cant see that item is printed, and that is a fact!!
Its really not apples to apples when you compare different color filaments. Of course its harder to see surface defects in a matte orange filament than a black one.
@@LoyalMoses At 3:14 it looks like I can see the wall/printer through the indent in the funnel (about 1 to 1.5 inches down from the top). Perhaps it's a lighting or TH-cam compression artifact?
just subbscribed..cool channel..may i ask you a feedback cause m struggling wich choise is bettere between k1max quidi xmax3 and a p1s with ams....in term of quality that is my first goal...the others ar more usable cause are bigger but the ams is phenomenal to have.....m so confuse... thanks so much for your time and anyone else want to join this comment ;) cheers from italy
First question! Are you printing helmets or other large items? Then you have narrowed it down to the Max machines. If not, then consider if you want to print multi-color / filament, now you narrowed it down to the single Bambu machine.
@@LoyalMoses thanks so much and about the print quality? i heard some rumors about a kind of ams for the creality in the near future...the multicolor can wait to me but the quality not;)..thans so much:)
🤣The contrast of different colours is not right. Comparison results from other videos clearly show that the K1 is not as good as the BAMBU and QIDI, which are very close in terms of printing results. Hope to see more tests.
The QIDI has cooling artifacts, that the Bambu didn’t have - I’m a realist, love all the machines, no bias here, just showing what the prints looked like. The Bambu did produce the best results. We are planning a deeper dive into each machine, that will be fun to do and see results from.
I used the filament that was loaded at the time in each printer and presented the experience that a user would have from slicing to printing and final result.
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The one thing I dont like about the p1s is its all closed source, I know the K1 runs Klipper and will be fully open at some point so they say
The first two prints with the same black filament had similar results. The bambu printed perfectly but you also used a different filament. If it’s a comparison, why not print with the same filament for each print?
Thanks for comment! It wasn’t the same filament, just the same black color, and was just the filament that was loaded in the machines.
Agree, to be able to compare then use the same brand and color for all printers.
@@johanlarsson3638 I can definitely do that! 👍
I have to agree with @ethangcosby. If you are comparing print quality at least take out the filament from the equation. I would go as far as not only using the very same filament spool but also dry out the filament before prints. Other than that, thanks for the great video!
@@madcannon3162 great advice, I can definitely change the filament and send the print again, even show both prints together from them. Thank you!
I can't believe how far 3d printers have come in the last few years....I'm done with ripping machines apart, replacing and upgrading parts, tweaking for hours. Yay!
It's amazing isn't it! I am mostly excited, because this brings more people into our hobby.
I wanted a 3D- Printer for a long time, but I dont wanted to put hours into Configuration. Now I have finally a Bambu X1c and it's amazing easy to handle.
@@BaggerPanda this is awesome! Congratulations!!!
its nice to have a printer that can get out the box and print perfectly in 30 mins but half the fun is tinkering with your printer like all the ender 3 upgrades or full building a voron. I have a P1P(Soon to be P1S) but im probably going to build a Voron 0.2 then build a V2.4 or Trident so i can make it "mine"
I'm in the same boat, and actually the reason I'm not buying a Creality printer again. Mainly because they had basically let the community fix ALL the issues with their printers in the early days of the CR-10/Ender 3 (and maybe even today, don't keep track of them that much anymore). Just not interested in a company with that sort of mindset, so I'm probably gonna just pick up a Bambu printer. Plus they provide spare parts at a really good price.
I like the short and sweet comparison. Also, printing something practical is a great idea. However, like other commenters, for the comparison to be fair, use the same filament in all 3. Maybe one with PLA & one with PETG.
Thanks! It was very fair, it was the average experience any buyer would have. Turned it on, loaded PLA, sliced up a model on the preferred slicer and hit print. Changing filament isn’t going to magically turn a bad printer into an amazing printer.
@@LoyalMoses Actually, PLA is not realy the main material for enclosured printers. In my opinion, while the main advantance of bambulab is the AMS, the main advantage of the Qidi is the activly heated chamber. So I would realy like a comparision how the funnel turns out printed in a more technical filament, like maybe polycarbonate or nylon. Maybe even in winter - I had some very hard issues with bending even using PET-G in a passive enclosure last winter (for me its warm enough if water is liquid. My printers see it otherwise). This actually the main reason I choose the Qidi, as the activly heated chamber is the outstanding feature. While I definitly like the AMS bambu made - how often do I realy need colour change? Maybe for soluble support (or the PLA/PETG-Trick). But I have an Idex I only used 2 or 3 times over the last years to do so, so for me the heated chamber is definitly the big advantage of the Qidi and kicks bambu an Creality out of the competition. But it realy depends what you need.
Also of course as the Qidi uses open Klipper, an ERCF might be possible to add... So while the AMS has best comfort and definitly is exelent, it does not mean you can't do multi material on a Qidi.
Good comparison but kinda agree from a commenter about using same filament since not all filament is equal. I know you kept mostly default settings but I’m on the fence with that too. However don’t want the video to be about slicer comparison either. I know these videos are hard to create and remain unbiased. I appreciate your honest feedback.
Thanks Jedispidey! It easy turns into a scientific comparison of which there isn’t a true way forward, so I wanted to show what the results are if you are just an average user, and you send a practical print, what are you going to get out of the machine.
But, we can always do more, and we’ll get better at it! 💜
*I had to go with the QIDI Max-3 since my prints are over 12.5" / With the super hot heated chamber I was able to print ABS without any shrinkage, cracking or de-laming. I have ZERO regrets and the customer support at QIDI was FAST, LIVE! 10,000% better support than Bambu or K1 who seems to do their best to hide from their customers. As far as the rear spool feed I just put it on a ball bearing turn table I bought at the Lumber store for $15.00 / EASY!!!*
Hw do you like it?!
Thanks!
Why were two pieces printed in black and one in orange. Makes IT pretty much uncomparable in terms of surface Quality imho. I would Love to See a faceoff between qidi and Bamboo with prints in glossy black Pla/PETG and No soft lighting around.
That was just the filament that was loaded, and I agree, that orange didn’t film well, too easily over exposed. We’ll do another and have better lighting!
Many Tester will compare prints sueface on different printers and not using same filament Color and so on. I dont no why
Having owned a Bambu Lab P1S for a bit now all I can say is that it's made 3D printing way more enjoyable than any bed slinger I ever had. Although having to fight with those bed slingers all those years makes me appreciate the P1S so much more. My AMS is on the truck and on it's way. Yeay! BTW, I'm printing parts for a project as I type.
This is awesome! I’m stoked for you!
getting my p1s in 2-3 days. Really stoked. Ordered early september but just never arrived. Came in stock last friday so now i just need to wait for delivery! First ever printer, which is why i went with the bambulab. due to all the praises it got for being a excellent out of the box printer
Being a bedslinger or coreXY has nothing to do with it. There are a bunch of bedslingers these days that are also fully automatic. The Ankermake M5/M5C, Bambu Lab A1 Mini, Ender 3 V3 SE/KE etc. on the other hand there are also a bunch of not great coreXY.
@@glowpipe You're gonna love it. You'll be running it nonstop for the first few months. I've got 1600 hrs. on my X1c and it still prints like a champ. And the only problems I had was plugged nozzle once, and then the other thing that's great is the printer will warn you if anything seems off. It even saved me from wrecking the bad cable as it warned me there was tension on the cable, so when I checked I found one yellow wire fell off its mount and was getting caught up a lil bit and eventually would have been ripped off.
You're getting a great machine.
@@Kman31ca Yeah, I hear people trying to knock bambu, but that's where I'm gonna spend it. I just want my bambu and be happy. I honestly don't care if creality has finally made 1 good machine.
I don't know why you would use a different filament for the p1s using a color that will barely show off any imperfections. A lot of other creators do this as well. They will compare the p1s or p1p to another brand/model and use a very unforgiving color like black or grey with the model that the bambu lab is going up against, and use a very bright neonish color when using the bambu labs. Gives off the impression of bias when that happens, even though you may not have intended it.
It was the Bambu filament that was loaded, and the others were already loaded as well with similar blacks. No conspiracy, just real use here in the studio! I can always change to a moderate color for each and hit reprint! In-fact, I may do that just in case.
And thank you for your comment.
You think filament makes that much of a difference to the quality of the machine? Then why so many issues with Ender 3s out there? They could just change filament and the printer would print perfect, no? That is what you are saying though, that the filament makes the print, not the printer.
Yeah I went with the P1S. Waited on the AMS for now, but then turned around and waiting on backorder for the A1 mini with the AMS lite because I was so impressed with the P1S
Congrats! I hope your A1 mini arrives soon! These machines are just great!
I'm leaning toward the P1S with AMS kit. I have three other FDM printers, Ender 2 Pro, customized Ender 5 Pro and a FLSun SR with the Speeder pad. but the P1S for enclosed and for multi-color prints is so very tempting.
It will change the way you think of 3D printing. I highly recommend it!
As of the last week of December 2023, I managed to get a Creality K1 for $360. I was going to by the Bambu and I had it in my online store basket, but I just couldn't pass on that K1 deal, especially being on a tight budget. I figured, there is no way $360 is not a terrific deal, regardless how it compares to the Bambu or the Quidi.
That is an INCREDIBLE price! Wow! Congratulations! Is it arriving soon?!?
I am not sure how you can compare when you used Orange filament for the Bambu labs machine. I would like to see orange filament run in others or Bambu labs with black filament just so all things remain same for the tests. Great review, but I am interested to see with same exact filaments on all machines. Perhaps, run orange on two other machines and black on Bambu labs. I would also run all three at max speed of 500, keep speed same. This would be ultimate test. Very impressed with results from all companies.
It wasn't a review but more a comparison of printing experience. The filament was the color of filament that was loaded when we printed, that's all -- we can definitely do it again with the same or opposite colors, or maybe do a different test. Thank you for your input, I appreciate it!
I haven't decided between Creality and Bambulab yet. Based on my research so far, Bambulab produces cleaner prints, but it uses parts that are not easily replaceable, such as the carbon X-axis tubes. In my experience, carbon has a significantly shorter lifespan compared to Creality's steel rods (although steel is heavier, resulting in more inertia and less precise movements). So, if the machine loses precision due to this wear and tear component after a year and becomes worse than the Creality, I'd prefer to go directly with a Creality since I don't plan on changing printers every year (I do a lot of printing).
On the other hand, I've come across many consumer reports about quality control issues from Creality factories (motherboards with the wrong firmware, uneven bed surfaces, etc.). However, I still lean towards getting a K1 because it's open-source, and I'm not particularly concerned about achieving a perfect surface finish. I have a CNC machine for fabricating parts once the design and testing phases are complete through 3D printing.
In my opinion, it's better to have several issues that can be solved more or less easily than a potential unsolvable problem like play in the X-axis. Even if replacement carbon tubes with sufficient manufacturing quality can be found, I doubt that the connection of the carbon tubes is held together with a simple screw; they are probably glued with resin. I can't imagine using a saw to cut and then trying to realign the carbon axes correctly before gluing them.
This was a HUGE comment! Thanks for sharing your insight! 💜
FWIW, Bambu Labs sell a replacement carbon rod assembly for $89. In general the price of parts from Bambu are very reasonable.
"In my experience, carbon has a significantly shorter lifespan compared to Creality's steel rods"
How did you come upon this experience if you have neither printer?
@@ogpennywise Perhaps because 2 steel rods even HiWIN brand do not cost 89$
Your channel is great! Always with practical views about 3d printing and honest opinions!
Thank you! 💜
Thank you for the ducks at the beginning. I needed that.
The Bambu AMS is the deal sealer for getting a P1S. I see comments about Prusa MMU which I know nothing about, but Prusa MK4 is too pricey on its own.
The AMS was a very smart move from Bambu, and they’ve integrated it so well!
Why did you use black for the first two funnels, and then orange? We cannot compare the print as easily on this end, as the light blurs the orange completely.
Those were the colors that were loaded on the machines, all regular PLA, nothing special. I agree, the orange was hard to film, washed out.
Man, I love those vistas that you've shown at 1:12! It must be great to see those every day!
Thank you Eric! Yesterday was just a beautiful day up here, it’s definitely nice and sometimes I forget to look up and actually see it.
Thanks to you I saved hours of choosing the perfect printer that suit my needs, I hit the sponsored link in the description happy to help the channel and add a creality K1 to my cart hit the checkout button, get the shit done of choosing a correct printer in the night, get the job done the american way , I am french and I litterraly love how honnest american do theyre job its efficient it is smart it is fast, and I copy that. Thx for making me NOT loosing my time
I dont need perfect quality I need a reliable printer that print fast with the state of the art technology without spending my whole life to build a vorron like machine it is enough I spend to much time of building fixing instead of doing my real stuff
Thank you, that’s very kind! Did you grab a K1?! I like that machine, powerful, fast, customizable.
Finally, I wanted to ask you several questions, if you would like to answer them
1: Which one is more user-friendly
2: Which one has more repairs than others and has maintenance problems
3: Which is better in terms of construction quality (in terms of printed structure)
4: If you have the budget for one of these 3 devices, which one would you buy?
Thank you for your support
This is a great set of questions and I am more than happy to answer!
1) Bambu Lab printers have the best user experience we've ever seen
2) None of the machines have needed repairs yet
3) Bambu and K1 feel stronger
4) The Bambu P1S would be the one I would buy
Also, there is a HUGE sale happening tomorrow from Bambu too, It's their anniversary.
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I've seen that Qidi users are seeing way better print quality by using orca slicer. Native klipper and a larger, actively heated, build area give the X-Plus3 the edge in my opinion.
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Don’t forget heated chamber, 350 hotend and 120 bed. Built for easier industrial grade filaments.
Hello, I'm torn between Creality K1 Max and Bambu Lab P1P, which one is better? I don't want to deal with table setting, I just want a nice machine and I'm torn between these two devices.
The P1P is going to produce better results and has the potential for upgrading an AMS. That would be my choice!
I wish a core xy was in my immediate future. Shifting to production work and finding I need models large and small for what I am making, sometimes in quick succession. So helmet class sizes are a must and Bambu's distinct lack of ringing at speed would be a godsend.
That said glad I found your show when I did, your print races and makes competitions served a dual purpose of helping me get filament when I couldn't afford it, and it helped me keep my photography skills up to snuff. Also thanks to the races emphasis on speed, I fear lightning infill a lot less, and that has saved a lot of filiment now that I am transisioning to models for video productions.
There are a lot of options now for big CoreXY and more coming! I’m excited.
@LoyalMoses yeah, hoping with the new Core XY rush, it drives prices down, and a company that rhymes with "fondue tabs" releases their larger option. I don't mind closed source as long as it works.
Bambu's next printer for their 2nd gen is gonna be a large size printer. And I think that'll be coming out mid 2024. Hopefully they add a heated enclosure, that would be great for high end filaments.
For me qidi tech x-plus 3 is the best i could print pc polycarbonate and pet-cf at 250mm/s with perfect quality with the heater chamber but the Bambu Lab couldn't
Awesome!
Which PC and pet-cf do you use, and how is the quality? I'm interested in the qidi for the same reason.
Would love to see a review on these.. for example, does the Qidi Tech X-Plus 3 still have your attention? Is the Bambu P1S (or X1C) better or worse than the Qidi?
BTW, any thoughts on the HeyGears 3d Printers?
I have used the X-Plus 3 and the Q1 Pro recently, they are great machines. QIQI needs to work on the user experience more, but they are doing awesome.
So...what about the K1 at $379 with a coupon from Microcenter? How does that price impact your assessment/recommendation?
If you can get the K1 for that price, DO IT! It’s a REALLY great machine, I like it a lot. 💜
I would love to have P1s but I heard it's too loud. I would sit next to it for the whole day living in a flat and I'm afraid it's not for me. Anu other recommendations? How's the others? Or any good recommendations around $500? Been using modified ender 3 pro for few years now
They are definitely loud if you are sitting right next to it and the doors have to be open for PLA.
My recommendation is the A1 or A1 mini. They are AMAZING and quiet!
@@LoyalMoses Thanks for a fast reply!
My mind is blown over how much 3D printing world changed in the last few years. As I said I have Ender 3 Pro for over 4 years, mostly just changed motherboard to a silent one. Doesn't have any ABL system etc so I decided to look for something new and fresh but there are so many 3D printers right now :D Every one have pros and cons, mostly I have a battle between Bambu A1, Elegoo Neptune series, Sovol and Anycubic Kobra series. Would like Prusa aswell but they're very expensive :|
What a great video! So informative. I currently am using an Elegoo "bedslinger" and I'm upgrading to the P1S soon. I've been intrigued by the printer since its release and I cannot wait to get my hands on one. I need more speed and all around better prints ❤
Thank you! You will love the P1S!
i think printing the part in BLACK will be a better comparission orange or bright color can make it look better vs black, this is as a bambu user btw...
It definitely was washed out! We’re planning another comparison, one that will be a bit more technical and closeups! Thank you!
I just ordered the p1s yesterday and I can‘t wait for its arrival. 😂
That’s GREAT! You will love it! Congratulations!
Baby ducks so cute! Also studio B appearance! You did a good job comparing these printers.
Thanks! 😃 Still working on lighting and finishing the studio! But there was at least some filming that took place in there! 💜
@@LoyalMoses also my wife cracked the code. If you want more views on your videos put baby animals in there and people will watch to see them! 😂
@@vreedognight haha! Genius! 💜
Wich one makes the most noise? P1S or the X-Plus 3?
X-Plus 3 is quite a bit louder than all others and has a loud electronics cooling fan that runs 24/7 as well.
@@LoyalMoses I think I'm going with a P1S. I'm not getting another Creality.
@@bucket638 you won’t be disappointed! They are solid machines and the results are so very good and consistent.
in addition to ethancosby's suggestion, should also be consistent with material type, ABS or PLA. I for one strictly use ABS over pla, especially would like to know with these printers since they are enclosed. You should redo your comparison since you have all 3 printers.
I can definitely do another if I can find some time!
I'm Prusa guy ...had few creality printers as well as anycubic Kobras and regret they were so bad I literally store them in basement for parts lol. Didn't try Bamboo yet since they had so many issues before with QC ...
Thanks!
why you not printed all examples by one color? i cant see anything in this yellow 3d model from bamboo lab
It was the filament that was loaded on the machine when I printed. Sorry about the orange being washed out!
I commented in another video, I owned and started with a K1, and moved to a P1S, there is no comparison between them, and once your printer has an issues, it is Bambu 100%, they walk you through the process, Creality gives your links to China websites for parts and third party youtube videos for fixes. The P1S prints faster and high quality and doesn't need glue ;) That is my 2 cents, and if you paid 2 cents for my comment, you over paid ;)
I definitley would like to know about your filament rack with the lights. Even if it is just a short. I am very amazed at how cool that looks!
We could definitely do some content on how we created it!
That was a great video and helped me decide between the 3, I was really truthful torn between the p1s and k1
Thanks Brandon! They are all 3 really good machines, and the results from each are still so good.
I've had several creality printers and they have been nothing but trouble. If I was going to buy a bamboo Labs it would have to be the X1 Carbon. I just bought a Qidi X-Plus 3. It is the most amazing 3D printer out of the box I have ever used. I just could not justify the X1 Carbon on my budget. But if I had the cash I probably would have went that way. The Qidi tuning is SO spot-on from the factory. Even things like extruder steps. I let out one whole M of filament. It was within three hundreds of a gram of being correct. There is no question this printer is fast and accurate. The one warning I have (and I have experienced this with every printer we've ever purchased) is that it does not flow anywhere near what they say. It is an honest 20mm'3/s hot end.
I’m enjoying the QIDI!
After 10+ months would you still recommend the Qidi ?
Yes. I have not had a single problem other than going through nozzles faster than my old printers. To be fair though, it gets used a lot more.
If anything it's going better over time as we tweak parameters.
@@MrBiggs-wu2kf I would like to know that as well. The Bambu labs are at a much cheaper price right now, but I can get the QIDI at $200 cheaper right now. At those prices, I am going for the Larger, faster printer with the heated chamber. I have order some enclosures for my Flashforge 5M for a total price another $100 cheaper. I never buy anything at full price.
I just ordered the p1s with ams, my first printer
OH WOW! YOU ARE GOING TO LOVE IT! ! ! ! Congratulations!
I hope so!!! it’s mostly to print toys for my kids
@@SilyPrints awesome! You should join us on twitch! We are live on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, we give out filament and other stuff every show. 5PM pacific, and we are family friendly! Say hello, and remind me that you came from TH-cam.
I made a comment about a better price comparison with the P1S Combo and the big brothers of the other 2 without watching this. I think I'm already convincing myself to get a P1S Combo just because of the fun factor involved and, of course, quality. I thought I need a bigger volume for what I want to print but I don't think I will need the volume often. If ever (if my wife allows), I'll just get a cheaper large bedslinger as a 2nd machine for bigger prints. BTW, forgot you own a ranch. I may ask suggestions to print for my cousin who owns a farm with mini horses, donkeys and chickens.
I think that is a GREAT idea, a large machine like the Elegoo Neptune 3 Max when you are ready for giant prints. P1S Combo is going to be a nice setup if you go that route.
Great comparisons video of these super speedy printers.
Would the quality improve on the K1 and Qidi prints if it was at same speed as the bambu printer ? Finding the best way to cool layers at these speeds will only improve in the future
With these default profiles, it feels like the cooling and hotend on the P1S are being kept within limits for quality over speed.
@LoyalMoses Hi! which is better to take K1 or QIDI ?
Both of those machines are REALLY good! That’s tough, the QIDI has a heated chamber. I would say results wise, they are evenly matched, but the heated chamber is pretty awesome, and that would lean me in that direction!
Have you tested ASA on the Qidi X-plus 3 and Bambu P1S ? Very curious how well they perform making outside use items. Another test I would love is .2 (.02 nozzles) on small item like miniatures
I have. Printed well.
Hey great video. I have a quick question when you say you set the peremeters to 3. Where did you do that for Bambu labs? I have a print that requires it to be set to 5 but I am unable to find the option in Bambu
Thanks! Under the Strength tab, walls/loops/perimeters all the same
@LoyalMoses thanks very much. I also just want to say I like that you're a more positive youtuber.
Why was the Bambu The only one printed orange which makes it almost impossible to see any detail on the camera?
It was the filament that was loaded in the machines at the time. Also, apparently drives engagement and makes everyone ask. 😜
We’ll do another more detailed comparison with equal colors, although it won’t change anything. I had a friend come up, handed him the 3 funnels didn’t say a thing, and he guessed which machines printed them perfectly.
Missed the fact that there’s a filament cutter on the QIdi so they’re likely to have a multi color system in the future also
Not all of them had the filament cutter, it may have been the early ones before the update to fix the launch issues. I can check if mine does.
Why are you using different filament on Bambu printer? Maybe that's the reason of better quality print?
That is the filament that was loaded on the printer. And no, the Bambu machine is superior in every aspect, and has the optional multi-color system available. The other machines aren't bad, they are just not at the same level of quality and user experience.
Your channel is really cool! Could you print the torture test toaster on each of these printers so we can check the result?
Thank you! I suppose we could do that if I get some time!
Great video Loyal. I do agree all three printers are amazing. I have several Bambu Lab machines. I don't have the other two nothing against them. I got my Bambu machines when they first came out and may look at the other two later if I get more space for a few 3D printers.
Thank you! Well, you made a great choice. The clear winner with that model and default profiles was the Bambu.
Gotta use same color and filament if you compare anything.
Lighting wasn’t the best, it was far worse than I thought it looked while recording, but this wasn’t a scientific comparison, it was a user experience and result comparison.
Even if I used the same filament, it was done in their preferred slicer with their default profiles, which ultimately has a greater impact on result than the brand of PLA used.
We’ll have to do another one, with better lighting and we can use the same color for the third one.
Dude, those baby ducks are awesome
I know! 😆
So Ready for my P1S !!! Also Great video like always man!
Thank you! 💜 Also, can’t wait for you to share your prints from a P1S!
@@LoyalMoses I cant wait either! hahaha i printing a lot today for kids back to school gifts for their teachers haha
Thanks for the video. I do feel like you should compare them using the same fillament, color, and speed. If you were to slow down the other 2 to reach the 500 mms i feel like your print quality would be different. But again thanks for the video!
Slowing one down to equal the lessers isn’t fair at all.
Without any info. on the specifics of materials, the comparison is inconclusive. There should be material settings(temps, nozzle,layer height and print speeds and actual type of plastic used). Color is not a big deal, but black brings out imperfections easily. I would take this with a grain of salt as it is with the available info.
I second that.
Sometimes we get so caught up in the details that we forget that there are people who just want to use these new machines like they are an appliance, and that is okay. These machines may end up in shops or garages or home officers where the people that are using them don't care about layer heights or infill, etc.
For this particular comparison, it was very simple -- the experience that 99% of customers would have. Load whatever filament they have on hand, select the default profile in the slicer and hit the print button. The basic experience of three turn-key corexy 3D printers and the results were the focus here. Those of us with dozens of printers and literal tons of filament care about those details, and we are absolutely working on more exhaustive content focusing on the specifics. Thank you for your input!
@@LoyalMoses You can always add the info. in the description. It just brings out better trust on the comparison, apart from doing justice to all these companies that had produced a wonderful product for the best user experience. Just some 💭
@@aware2action that’s a fantastic point!
Guess I put my pennies in the right place. I ordered a Bambulab X1 Carbon today. can't wait for it to arrive.
Congratulations! You will love it!
they are all good-great.
I ordered the K1, due here tomorrow.
Why? I am a CREALITY user, price, user interface, biggest company....
I am SOOOO stoked for you! You’ll have to share your prints and experience with us. It’s a really great machine, my experience has been great.
@@LoyalMoses I just couldn't take the S L O W prints any longer. It is like death by a thousands papercuts! Quality and reliability has been good, but soooo slow.
They have just updated their slicer software and it is actually decent with user modifiable supports.
@@graphguy I know what you mean, it’s taken a little bit of time, but we seeing huge improvements in quality when running at speed, which is what I am all about.
@@LoyalMoses OK.. I have the K1 up and running.
Can I saw wow? Geez, it is amazing. did the benchy stock settings... and 16 minutes is a virtually flawless benchy, something I have never ever had before.
Next two prints? fast and flawless.
I should mull kick myself for waiting.
My only regret... MAYBE not going k1 max... as I am use to a 300x300x300 build plate.
@@graphguy makes me so happy to hear this! Congratulations!!!
After owning in chronological order Voxelab Aquila 2, Anycubic Kobra, Flsun SR, Ender 2 Pro and now the P1S AMS Combo. Hands down I should of got the X1C from the get-go but I cancelled my pre-order but it worked out since the P1S AMS Combo is cheaper than the X1C by itself. I was ragging on about how it was going to change the game and was a moderator on the Kobra forums and people disagreed strongly due to price. Tinker free printing at a more approachable price. Never want to see a bedslinger again or Cura. Wished Bambu would look into delta printers (I have a soft spot for em' since when I bought the SR it was the fastest consumer printer at the time and I loved it to bits even though it wasn't near as good as these printers today)
They changed 3D printing forever didn’t they? Simple to use, beautiful to look at, fast and high end results. I think your P1S Combo is a great setup, so you chose well. Also, thank you for your comment, I really appreciate it!
If cura is so bad, then why other slicers are based on it?
@@wykonczeni that’s a good question! I’m not a fan of the Cura interface, wish it were better, but that is just a personal preference. Those with a lot of Cura experience crank out some incredible prints with it.
I have noticed that within the last few months, 4 major printer companies have recently forked PrusaSlicer. Wondering if this will be the new direction?
@@wykonczeni Cura was my 1st slicer and it worked well. At that time I tried out Prusa slicer and it didn't gel with me at the time. Haven't used Cura lately but small things like when I did prints of miniatures or figurines the slender parts like the ankles would always be 2 wall and infill (so p*ss weak) and would always break. Bambu Studio does it solid at thinner parts automatically. Before I liked Cura because they had the tree supports first, not Prusa and it's variants all have it and found I had to mess with less though that might have to do with me owning the P1S which really doesn't require any tinkering to get good results. I spend more time printing than fine tuning which is a godsend. To each his own I guess.
Which machine printed the funnel the fastest?
The QIDI printed in the shortest time using the default profile.
I want to see more x plus 3 content but with some more exotic engineering grade materials. Stuff past nylon that normally never touches a consumer printer and actually needs the heated chamber.
I think this would be fun!
You used a diifferent color filament for the bambu so we can't compare apples to apples there. You also only gave print times for the Qiddi. If it was faster than the bambu then I would go for the Qiddi because until they can print at speeds comparable to a microwave or Star Trek's Replicator, speed is as important as print quality. :D
Yup
I have the x1c with ams needs a bigger volume QIDI maybe the go unless bambu make a bigger unit ?
QIDI Max is nice I’ve been seeing!
I dont get the filament argument. Bambu printers are going to work best with bambu filament, creality and qidi will work better with certain filaments. Im interested in the best that each can print (with out of the box settings), not which printer is more accurate if you feed non-ideal filament through it. Sounds like a bunch of people upset they dont have a bambu tbh.
The video was clear, but I can’t control how people will feel or compensate for their bias. We love all machines, no hate directed towards any of them.
What if you slowed down to Qidi to match the speed of the P1S? Would the print be similar?
I considered that, we have more print comparisons coming, I’ll definitely slow it down.
@@LoyalMoses thanks a bunch man, as someone getting into 3D printing and unsure about which one to get. Your channel has been a blessing. Doubting between a Qidi X-max 3 and a Bambu P1S with hot end and extruder upgrades. Wanting something that can print carbon fibre reinforced nylons around the 1k budget. Looking forward to more comparisons. Keep doing what you do man, you do it great :)
@@NyrosTheVirus that is so very kind of you! Thank you! 💜
Nice short informative video. Thanks.
Thank you!
Ordering a P1S today.
Ordered. Hope it arrives quickly!
Fantastic! You will love it, I am 100% certain! If you haven’t already, I’d be honored if you used my affiliate link. It helps support our content. loyal.ms/bambu
Can someone please explain what is this madness of purchasing a full enclosure and printing with the doors open? I heard that all 3 printers have problem printing PLA unless the door is open. Is that true? Speed is nice but it would be nice to get filtered the microplastic since we are paying for the enclosure. I still cannot decide between K1 and P1S. The biggest deal breaker for the K1 is the bloatware they have for a slicer and GUI.
It's not madness but rather actually very simple. PLA has a relatively low glass transition temperature compared to other filaments and the heat from the heat block can creep up through the heat break into the cold zone of the hotend if the printing environment is too warm. When filament heats up in the cold zone (where it shouldn't be), the filament swells and becomes soft and is unable to be fed through to the nozzle.
Enclosures trap heat, and even if only a few degrees warmer, it can be enough to contribute to heat creep and ultimately a filament jam. Even with the more expensive Raise3D printers in my studio, they also have removable tops and even a hood that lifts to allow excess heat to escape when printing with PLA.
Now, the next question is almost always "why can't they just add ventilation to cool the enclosure?" -- well, the issue there is that you still need the build plate to be warm but without drafts cooling the part unevenly or prematurely. So, the solution is to simply open the door or remove the lid.
I hope that helped!
I really want to get a bambu labs p1s w/ ams system... just can't afford it right now.
Hopefully soon!
The main problem with the Bambu Labs is that they won't ship to Alaska.
They aren't available on Amazon.
Oh wow.
Wow.
I want to see a face off for multi material units! Great video!! I have. A buddy looking for a core xy and sent him a link to this video!
We have the MMU2S, but I think an MMU3S and a MK4 would be a good comparison to a Bambu w/ AMS. Thank you! 💜
Great video! ❤ very thorough and informative.
Thank you Rip!
I'm interested in bamboo Lab P1S
That’s a great machine!
I would like to see you use the same slicer with x plus 3 and the p1s
We could do that!
thank you for the video, the bambu lab is great but they never respond to any questions. I have actually emailed them several times with a question few weeks ago and still no response. I am just testing the CS response time and they have failed. I want to buy the Carbon so bad this lack of response is killing my motivation
Try their support system, people have been having great response times there.
@@LoyalMoses thanks any coupon codes for the carbon ?
I wish I had a discount code! 💜
What about P1S with AMS vs Prusa MK4 with MMU3S and Input shaping firmware? I hear the MMU3 changes a lot quicker for colour changes than the AMS
Absolutely! That would be an awesome Face Off for sure! I say LET'S DO IT!
@@LoyalMoses The P1S prints much quicker but has a lot more changes so the MK4 just laps up the MMU3S
Ty!
Very welcome!
Why did the bamboo Lives get a different color filament?
That’s what was loaded when we did the prints.
Why did you print in black for 2 machines and a light color for the other. The light color hides flaws. Strange
Strange, how so? I used the filament that was loaded in the machines, sliced in the preferred slicer and then hit print. I agree the orange looked yellow and washed out on the camera, and we may do it again, or shoot better b-roll, but it’s not some ridiculous conspiracy. In-fact, it’s quite the opposite, that P1S performs as near to perfection as it gets. In this comparison, the others didn’t have a chance.
@@LoyalMoses I was disappointed that there was no way to compare the finishes. We have an X1 carbon at my company. My experience has not been as good as yours. I don't think the finish quality is much different than my old CR-10 (although it is printed much faster). There are Z banding artifacts. And pressure advance must not be working because it has the worst bulging at corners I have seen from my limited printing experience. It is giving 2 or 3 error codes at the beginning of every print after it does its calibration. Maybe this has something to do with the poor pressure advance. I have not had time to fix the error codes. Also, Bambu sizing the AMS so none of my spools of filament fit is really really really annoying. I don't know what game they were playing when they did this. I don't trust the K1 as what I have seen shows it as an unfinished design. I was really hoping the Qidi was great as it has the heated chamber and 350 C hot end. I apologize for my comment. Thanks for the video and the comparison.
@@f1hotrod527 oh no! I’m sorry you are having trouble, that’s one of the worst situations to be in when you are experiencing something different from others. Has support helped at all? Loose belts maybe?
That QIDI X-Plus 3 is an awesome machine, and I really like it, but get this. I updated the firmware they sent me, re-calibrated and the prints turned to garbage, a complete mess. I ended up working on it for about an hour or more, then thought to tighten belts, and it cleaned up everything!
Also, thank you for commenting and listening! Sometimes YT is filled with just terrible replies! 💜
@@LoyalMoses I have been so swamped at work for the past 6 months we have had the printer I have not even had time to scan the QR code it gives for the errors.
That is disappointing to hear about the Qidi. I know their previous machines seemed to not be good with issues. And the original X-plus 3 had issues. But from the other reviews I have seen, Qidi completely turned it around and the printer was very good. I guess it is not completely flawless yet.
I want to get a second printer for myself to go with my CR-10. Maybe getting a flying bear reborn 2 for $375 right now is the way to go. I know that printer has some things that need to be worked through, but maybe worth it? I am into printing functional parts, so the ability to print the more engineering grade materials is more important than speed to me.
@@f1hotrod527 I’m hoping this was just a firmware issue and it will be back to printing great quality!
@loyalmoses Which mid range (£800 avg), core xy, enclosed printer do u recommend?
That’s about $1000 USD. For that, I’d consider the Bambu P1S w/ AMS for multicolor printing or the QIDI X-Max 3 for a helmet class (> 300mm) printer.
If you had used the same fiament for all the printers I would say great job but I feel you used the best filament for the bambo to hype up the bambu printers.
It’s more likely that you have a bias. Should work on that.
bro... you cannot compare printers and use different filaments for them
This was an experience comparison, that 99% of users would have. A sliced model in their own slicers, with their own default profiles, and sent to the printers. I agree the orange was a little washed out on camera, but that doesn’t change the result, in this particular comparison, the P1S print was nearly perfect, the others had surface patterns from poor cooling and also loose belts, which I’ve since tightened and things appear a little cleaner. We can always do another one with the same filament for filming purposes.
@LoyalMoses In a comparison, this very much does matter and is not the 99% of what people would experience if the experience varies *with fillament*. I trust your judgement, but that isn't a proper scientific test.
@@klaidasrunele it wasn’t a scientific test at all. Filament does not differ enough to make a bad printer become an amazing printer, and I also don’t own any cheap filament. I appreciate your comments, i really do. I can definitely do another, or just some better b-roll, the orange funnel is just near perfection.
How about using the same filament and color across all printers. Thats a true comparison.
It got lots of people to engage! 😃
I am pretty sure that's East Wenatchee, WA. Crazy small world
It is! 🔥
Xidi and bamboo are the ones im interested in. I like that the creality is cheap but well it's cheap. I have only used creality and stratus products but I've yet to be impressed by them. Stratus obviously is out dated but atleast seemed well built. Like someone cared when putting it together. I fear with creality the same lack of care will still show its head regardless of what they say.
We can only hope that everything improves in the industry, that's what I am rooting for!
Next time should u use the same filament, because like this is not fair! Only same filament, same type, same color. Maybe the K1+camera+sensor+new replacement parts (like extruder and hotend) price = qidi x-plus3/ Bambu P1s basic price. So check them again like that. K1 with all extra parts against qidi and Bambu.
Nah. I used the filament that was loaded and used the default profiles, and it was a fantastic representation of the user experience.
Those made my current 3d printer completely obsolete and outdated. I own a delta flsun SR and it is 3x slower than these new core xy ! I was going to upgrade to the flsun S1 but after seeing how loud the blower fan is, I think I might give the bambu lab a go. I want quality impression and exotic material printing, not just speed.
Bambu makes great machines! I have the S1 and the T1 on the way, I’ll have content for those soon!
Would love to get a bambu p1s with ams but not in my budget
Maybe soon!
what where the printing times between the bambu and the Qidi?
Oh, that's been so long! I'd have to check my notes. If I get a chance, I'll put those in the comments.
@@LoyalMoses thx
Which came first the #FunnelBucket or the funnel?
Bonus duckies!!!❤
Haha!
I am sorry, but it must just me being in the profession of 3d printing. Your Rolls' filament sitting out there all uncovered distract me. I just keep thinking they need sealed up to protect them from Moisture :O.
😆 We live on a mountain, low humidity and moisture problems are frequently over-stated, they exist, but not nearly as bad as people want to believe.
@@LoyalMoses LOL, that was actually one of the questions was stuck in my brain was rather it was low humidity or not. As makes a huge difference. Where I live is on the low side. Where my brother lives, is so dry I swear if I want to dry my filament I would just take it out of the bag up there. A good example of this is air compressors. There is a bolt in the bottom of em they tell you to take out to remove water. Well if you live in a high humid area like Florida, you take bolt out, and you will have a ton of water come out. Live even where I live and barely anything. Where my brother lives, their Air compressor after 5 years was not a drop. So local humidity absolutely plays in.
bambu is the one i am looking for to buy to start my 3D printing office
AWESOME! I say do it!
From my side...bambu x1c all the way...i had a lot of printers...print quality from x1c...bro...nothing to compare. When ypu know how to tweak x1c even further, you sometimes cant see that item is printed, and that is a fact!!
So true!!!
Its really not apples to apples when you compare different color filaments. Of course its harder to see surface defects in a matte orange filament than a black one.
Yup! It’s a printer experience comparison of what a normal person would experience.
There are gaps in the print off of the K1, that's a pretty big issue with a funnel!
huh? All three funnels are right here in the studio next to me, and none of them have gaps.
@@LoyalMoses At 3:14 it looks like I can see the wall/printer through the indent in the funnel (about 1 to 1.5 inches down from the top). Perhaps it's a lighting or TH-cam compression artifact?
I'm sure they're all great but a qidi xmax is 330mm cubed, you get 30% more printer for 30% less money than the competitors.
Definitely a great printer! I haven't used one, but have heard great things about it.
just subbscribed..cool channel..may i ask you a feedback cause m struggling wich choise is bettere between k1max quidi xmax3 and a p1s with ams....in term of quality that is my first goal...the others ar more usable cause are bigger but the ams is phenomenal to have.....m so confuse... thanks so much for your time and anyone else want to join this comment ;) cheers from italy
First question! Are you printing helmets or other large items? Then you have narrowed it down to the Max machines. If not, then consider if you want to print multi-color / filament, now you narrowed it down to the single Bambu machine.
@@LoyalMoses thanks so much and about the print quality? i heard some rumors about a kind of ams for the creality in the near future...the multicolor can wait to me but the quality not;)..thans so much:)
🤣The contrast of different colours is not right. Comparison results from other videos clearly show that the K1 is not as good as the BAMBU and QIDI, which are very close in terms of printing results. Hope to see more tests.
The QIDI has cooling artifacts, that the Bambu didn’t have - I’m a realist, love all the machines, no bias here, just showing what the prints looked like. The Bambu did produce the best results.
We are planning a deeper dive into each machine, that will be fun to do and see results from.
K1 is crap, check russian sites they have complete guides to replace parts to make it usable.
For a relevant test you should of run all 3 at the same speed
It was a test of each machine, their default profiles and the results that 99% of users would have.
You should use the same material on all printers
I used the filament that was loaded at the time in each printer and presented the experience that a user would have from slicing to printing and final result.